[tiger_handheld]

Is it a good idea?

I'm thankful for this forum and I know how important RS sponsors are. But it boggles my mind when some sponsors post products with super high prices with the claim of quality and service. I don't want to shit on any of the sponsors threads, but it's is it ok to point out there are much more reasonable options elsewhere? This might educate the sponsor and anyone who views the offering.

To the people who only read the first post and FAIL:

Alright. Question answered :)

My point want not to start a campaign, but to raise awareness that a lower price (quality & service unknown - upto the buyer to research) could be/is available. Kind of like Shell on Main & 2nd is having free gas compared to shell on Main & 5th is at 140.9

Nonetheless, my question has been answered.

[Berzerker]

No. Now Fuck off.

Actually.... go riiiiight ahead. See what happens ;)

Berz out.

[GGnoRE]

Well, expensive is a relative term. In the vendor's perspective they are charging the customers on what they believe is the proper price for their service. If you find their prices unreasonable, you can simply disregard their ads. I don't think you need to start a campaign against them.

[Vale46Rossi]

They can post what ever fuck price they want and it's your choice to buy it or not.

[MindBomber]

I don't find any of the sponsors prices unreasonable, certain members of Revscene are just cheap fucks who are unwilling to pay for quality work or parts.

[tiger_handheld]

Alright. Question answered :)

My point want not to start a campaign, but to raise awareness that a lower price (quality & service unknown - upto the buyer to research) could be/is available. Kind of like Shell on Main & 2nd is having free gas compared to shell on Main & 5th is at 140.9

Nonetheless, my question has been answered.

[tofu1413]

I don't find any of the sponsors prices unreasonable, certain members of Revscene are just cheap fucks who are unwilling to pay for quality work or parts.

u mean 90%+ of rs'ers :suspicious:

[freakshow]

I think you're free to let the sponsors know of other deals you've found and let them be the judge, but you don't have to post it as a new thread.

I could start a thread for every single sponsor, and post links of how chinadude123 has a better price on ebay, but that wouldn't really go anywhere..

Alright. Question answered :)

My point want not to start a campaign, but to raise awareness that a lower price (quality & service unknown - upto the buyer to research) could be/is available. Kind of like Shell on Main & 2nd is having free gas compared to shell on Main & 5th is at 140.9

Nonetheless, my question has been answered.

[bcrdukes]

RS sponsor price on head lights: $175 + local support

eBay price - $130 + $20 shipping + tax + duty + time to drive to pick it up and maybe drop another $60 on supposedly cheap American gas

Yeah. I got better things to do. :fuckthatshit:

[TRDood]

It's not really appropriate. They keep pay fees to advertise in RS. Why would you want to shit on them?

If you find deals elsewhere. You may share it. But don't make this a redflagdeals.

I understand it's a competitive market. The sponsors can take their marketing money elsewhere too.

[murd0c]

Support our sponsers which pay for the site so we have shit to post and look at while working and at school. Fuck Ebay too much of a hassle like bcrdukes said.

If you are wondering about the pricing stop being a lazy ass and search for the best pricing your self. Thats personally one of my favorite things when buying someone ...

[freakshow]

If you are wondering about the pricing stop being a lazy ass and search for the best pricing your self. Thats personally one of my favorite things when buying someone ...Tell me about it.. I HATE getting a bad price when I buy someone.

:p

[murd0c]

I'm single gotta do what I gotta do:pokerface:

[Matsuda]

I tried to buy someone...they wouldn't let me =(

[tiger_handheld]

I think you're free to let the sponsors know of other deals you've found and let them be the judge, but you don't have to post it as a new thread.

I could start a thread for every single sponsor, and post links of how chinadude123 has a better price on ebay, but that wouldn't really go anywhere..

I wasn't going to start a new thread or "HOT DEAL's" thread but rather post in the same thread the sponsor started. Also, I wasn't going to compare to buying on ebay or w/e. Wanted to post local deals or all inclusive rates for south of the border deals.



I understand it's a competitive market. The sponsors can take their marketing money elsewhere too.

Exactly why I started this thread.

Seems my original post was unclear.

[bcrdukes]

Tell me about it.. I HATE getting a bad price when I buy someone.

:p

I'm on sale this weekend. RS special for Saturday only. PM for details. :fullofwin:

[Berzerker]

I'm on sale this weekend. RS special for Saturday only. PM for details. :fullofwin:

More than you can afford pal...... Hipster

Berz out.

[91civicZC]

Yes, you can probably whatever you are looking for cheaper off the internet.

Tuning shops (good ones anyway) will often be able to offer the same product with a bit of a higher price, but give you a break on labor, or help you with servicing the item. If you found a lower price from another Shop, talk to the local store about it and see what they can offer. They may not meet the price, but they may be able to offer other service incentives.

I’d much rather pay a few bucks more and know that I just have to walk into a local place if I have issues, or can call up the shop to have some help with setup, whatever. Supporting the guy selling products on the internet out of his mother’s basement for next to no profit because he has no overhead is having a really negative impact on this industry.

Support local shops, buy real shit. The people who build and sell these parts have to eat too. If they aren’t making any money, they aren’t going to be making parts for your ride for long.

Edit: I realize this is a bit of a rant, but hey, I dont post often. Gotten get the rants in when I can.

[MindBomber]

u mean 90%+ of rs'ers :suspicious:

Yes.

Alright. Question answered :)

My point want not to start a campaign, but to raise awareness that a lower price (quality & service unknown - upto the buyer to research) could be/is available. Kind of like Shell on Main & 2nd is having free gas compared to shell on Main & 5th is at 140.9

Nonetheless, my question has been answered.

There are not plentiful shops offering performance parts in the GVRD at prices significantly lower than the sponsors on RS.

There may be shops offering cheap labour rates, but comparing a ghetto shop with questionable ethics and poorly skilled mechanics to any of the sponsors is completely stupid.

[Mr.C]

Dude, you can't compare with buying stuff online.

Example:

I paid $30 for rear Meyle rotors for my 7.

Cheapest here in Vancouver would be $110.

Things in Canada are expensive, get over it. Want a deal? Buy online. Want convenience and service? Buy local. It's pretty cut and dry to me.

[drunkrussian]

getting back to op's original question - no i dont think these opinions should be voiced. if forbes magazine has an advertisement for rolex watches, its readers may think theyre shit, but out of interest of keeping the sponsor happy forbeswould not publish an article of a reader dissing rolex. at the same time if most of forbes readers thought this, they would not allow rolex to be an advertiser and replace them with someone more tied to their demographic.

so are the sponsors tied to the demographic here? yes. do majorlity of rs'ers have a sognificant issue with them? probably not. so should we be allowed to publically ceitique them? i dont think thats fair. recommendations of local places where u had good experiences are a way to spread knowlege of good bargains without havin to badmouth any sponsors.

[bookfire1238]

Outstanding thread, thanks all for joining. I'll visit often.
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[asian_XL]

RS admin's needs - sponsorship that supports the server and admin cost
RS members' needs - exclusive member deals

I totally support RS to inviting sponsors that offer exceptional products and services. That will keep the entire forum running, but members on RS do not find any exclusive benefits here. To be honest, other than the buy&sell forums, over the past 10 years, I have not yet find any monetary benefits or real discount offers as being a member of RS.

I am surprised RS has not been approached by companies that are willing to offer discounts or freebies, like many other forums have been offering downloadable coupons, local group discount, discount insurance, at least give out some free or paid STICKERS!

[tiger_handheld]

RS admin's needs - sponsorship that supports the server and admin cost
RS members' needs - exclusive member deals

I totally support RS to inviting sponsors that offer exceptional products and services. That will keep the entire forum running, but members on RS do not find any exclusive benefits here. To be honest, other than the buy&sell forums, over the past 10 years, I have not yet find any monetary benefits or real discount offers as being a member of RS.

I am surprised RS has not been approached by companies that are willing to offer discounts or freebies, like many other forums have been offering downloadable coupons, local group discount, discount insurance, at least give out some free or paid STICKERS!


Interesting point. I'm part of BCMazda3 and their premium members ($10/year) get some monetary benefits at some sponsors (ie. Langley Mazda). This however, was not my point.

Example.

Vendor ABC posts LED lights (example only) for $220(example only) incl. install. I might've gotten the identical if not 98% similar LED lights from another LOCAL source for $120 installed. That is almost $100 difference.

All I wanted to do was, let the vendor know that "Hey, there are other LOCAL sources that are selling this product for $120" Then it's upto them to PM me and find out the source (kind of like price matching) OR ignore it all together. I much rather support an RS sponsor if I can than go outside. At least this way, I have given the sponsor a chance to earn my business.

[tofu1413]

it is RS afterall, per say, if a dealer/ sponsor here offered TOTAL/ Motul synthetic oil changes for 79.99 plus tax for 4 litres and filter....

majority of RS users would be like :fuckthatshit: might as well DIY at home, and save probably $20.

it is a car board afterall, we do share infos on DIY's.... most RS users would probably buy parts and do it themselves. most of us dont have an infinite budget on car modding to begin with... so we buy used parts; thats were the used parts section really comes into play. saving a couple bucks here and there on lightly used parts could probably get you a couple more parts. sometimes, 10-20 bucks here and there really adds up! not to mention, most private deals (besides buying an actual car) is tax-free, cash deals... which is another bonus. heck, if you're really modding on a budget, used parts are the way to go (well besides, brake pads and wear and tear stuff.. some used tires are ok, depends.)

only time ive seen a vendor do well is when they do the "at cost + 10%" deals...

[rsx]

There's a way of going about this, and you took the road never traveled. You started a thread on a forum that is essentially being run by the sponsors. Whatever their prices are, we're not charged a dime to enjoy the site and they're not forcing you to buy anything. Like others have said, just be a smart shopper and canvas prices.

If you see a good deal that's relevant to the forum, you can post the good deal you found.

[Ikkaku]

If you see a good deal that's relevant to the forum, you can post the good deal you found.

I think this is a grey area. From what I remember, if the deal directly comes in conflict with the goods/services of any of the sponsors, they would deem your post as unauthorized spamming as protection for them sponsors :lol

not 100% sure though.

[rb]

Tiger-Handheld - I too am raising awareness that you have jumped right to the very top of my list of people I am just itching to ban right now.

You have no idea how much work it takes for us to get sponsors on board and how hard it is for them to place their trust and sponsor dollars in RS.

I see no point to this thread other than to shit on our supportive sponsors and piss off every RS staff member busting their ass to keep this site alive. Raising awareness my ass. What are you a fucking activist now? All You've done is raise awareness to what a cheap ass you are. Congrats

[sekin67835]

Lesson of the day: don't piss off the people who try to keep the site running and the people who pay for it.

[bcrdukes]

If I were a VAC Mod, I would've banned his ass with 54542526254190 points a long time ago. :D

[Iceman-19]

I don't find any of the sponsors prices unreasonable, certain members of Revscene are just cheap fucks who are unwilling to pay for quality work or parts.

I want to buttfuck your avatar.

[Kidnapman]

If I were a VAC Mod, I would've banned his ass with 54542526254190 points a long time ago. :D

Touche Dukes. Thanks to all the sponsors for keeping this site up and running. Car scene would be in the shitters without RS.

[Zoidberg]

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[tiger_handheld]

Tiger-Handheld - I too am raising awareness that you have jumped right to the very top of my list of people I am just itching to ban right now.

You have no idea how much work it takes for us to get sponsors on board and how hard it is for them to place their trust and sponsor dollars in RS.

I see no point to this thread other than to shit on our supportive sponsors and piss off every RS staff member busting their ass to keep this site alive. Raising awareness my ass. What are you a fucking activist now? All You've done is raise awareness to what a cheap ass you are. Congrats

I know exactly how hard it is to attract sponsors, show them measurable results, and retain them as long as you can.

But think from my shoes for a second. Like anyone, I'm looking for the best deal I can get, I understand everyone needs to eat so I have no problems with a fair price. If the vendor has a higher price compared to other local sources, they will not be able to sell the product on RS. Eventually they will realize their pricing is off. However this might be too late for RS - the first thing the sponsor will think is "I'm paying $xxx dollars for ads, and I'm not selling anything - why bother?" If there are people saying "Hey sponsor, this person has the product you are selling for lower price" IF I were a sponsor, would find that to be valuable feedback - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. At that point, they can choose to match prices (if its possible) say why their product has premium pricing, or ignore it all together. I've took this approach for wheel and tire sponsor and they said they cannot match and I was ok with that. I gave them all the information they needed to verify my pricing to make sure I wasn't bs'ing.

I dont see how this is any different that taking a Best Buy flyer to Futureshop and asking for a price match or finding the lowest price on shopbot and trying to get NCIX match it. Most often than not, NCIX or the higher price retailer will lower price of the item within 3-5days once they are aware of the lower price.

[SpuGen]

I see what you're trying to go for, but.

1: Scene isn't big enough for it to work
2: Shops won't cut a deal for that one guy who wants an exhaust for his Civic, and hope someone else wants in on it too.

Only way your idea would work, is if the local shops did Group Buys from a specific Manufacturer. Like when MFRT did the @ Cost + 10% deals for Greddy and Apexi wayy back.

But again, the local scene isn't big enough for it to work. It took MFRT a few months to get enough orders to get the deal going. I know, cause it took me months to get my parts in. Even by MFRT standards, that's a looong time.

As for price matching, some shops already do that. You just need to call around.

[!SG]

taken that you know quite a bit about business, and its functions, then you probably should have already figured out different discount levels.

eg. companies with lordco accounts have varying different discount levels. a new company that signed up with them would get a lower discount level than say a company that has been with them for over 10 years and does a large buying amount yearly.

local shops trying to bring in new lines will be given a low discount rate. that discount rate goes higher the larger volume they purchase. this isnt new. online stores have little to no overhead thus their profit margin can be much lower. local stores offer labour services + need profit from parts sales to pay for overhead.

the deeper the discount a vender can get, the cheaper the price they can offer to you.

everyone is looking for the cheapest buck. but there is no need to create a thread to point out venders that cost more than others. that to me is just ranting and pointless.

its very surprising to me you created this thread. from posts and threads made in the past by you, this simple concept of capitalism would have been a no brainer for you. you do your research, yet you didnt even factor in the basics of running a established, with overhead, business versus an online store. its been said and its been brought up so many times in the past how local stores have a hard time competing with down south. pricing difference is simply straight out purchasing power.

dont like the pricing, keep shopping around, ranting about it or even "pointing it out" does nothing more than put u in the same category as the customer that threatens to shit talk on the net unless they get that pricing. that isnt a bargaining tool, thats just blackmail!

futureshop and ncix are good examples. futureshop is for ppl that want to go into a shop, browse, feel and touch an item. they have to pay for the store front. NCIX narrows their business to purely computer related parts (until recently). anyone that has been to ncix knows the store front is small, majority of occupied space is for sales counters aside from a few aisles here and there to showcase some items. otherwise its all kept in the back in a warehouse space where you dont need room to let a shopper move around to touch and feel items. ncix is for the bargain shopper. different subclasses of consumers.

i buy localled if i can, because if something fucks up, i know i have a store front to go to to return it. all other shits n giggles items i buy online like everyone else, i just dont see a need to create a thread to rant or point out something that even my Alzheimer suffering father already knows about how the capitalist world works.

I know exactly how hard it is to attract sponsors, show them measurable results, and retain them as long as you can.

But think from my shoes for a second. Like anyone, I'm looking for the best deal I can get, I understand everyone needs to eat so I have no problems with a fair price. If the vendor has a higher price compared to other local sources, they will not be able to sell the product on RS. Eventually they will realize their pricing is off. However this might be too late for RS - the first thing the sponsor will think is "I'm paying $xxx dollars for ads, and I'm not selling anything - why bother?" If there are people saying "Hey sponsor, this person has the product you are selling for lower price" IF I were a sponsor, would find that to be valuable feedback - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. At that point, they can choose to match prices (if its possible) say why their product has premium pricing, or ignore it all together. I've took this approach for wheel and tire sponsor and they said they cannot match and I was ok with that. I gave them all the information they needed to verify my pricing to make sure I wasn't bs'ing.

I dont see how this is any different that taking a Best Buy flyer to Futureshop and asking for a price match or finding the lowest price on shopbot and trying to get NCIX match it. Most often than not, NCIX or the higher price retailer will lower price of the item within 3-5days once they are aware of the lower price.

[rb]

I know exactly how hard it is to attract sponsors, show them measurable results, and retain them as long as you can.

But think from my shoes for a second. Like anyone, I'm looking for the best deal I can get, I understand everyone needs to eat so I have no problems with a fair price. If the vendor has a higher price compared to other local sources, they will not be able to sell the product on RS. Eventually they will realize their pricing is off. However this might be too late for RS - the first thing the sponsor will think is "I'm paying $xxx dollars for ads, and I'm not selling anything - why bother?" If there are people saying "Hey sponsor, this person has the product you are selling for lower price" IF I were a sponsor, would find that to be valuable feedback - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. At that point, they can choose to match prices (if its possible) say why their product has premium pricing, or ignore it all together. I've took this approach for wheel and tire sponsor and they said they cannot match and I was ok with that. I gave them all the information they needed to verify my pricing to make sure I wasn't bs'ing.



IF you understand how hard it is to attract and retain sponsors then why did you make this thread? You know that we have to look after them as they help us survive and provide free events for the community.

Its already been said by !SG but its like you're essentially trying to strong arm a local sponsor who may not have the numbers to give deep discounts. I know you're trying to get the best prices and thats totally fine but making a thread to call them out about their prices isn't going to help anyone here. Do you honestly think that they'll be happy getting such negative feedback on a site they pay to advertise on? Call or PM them privately to talk about prices but dont pull that stuff here.

[tiger_handheld]

@SG / RB - It was never my intention to strong arm a local sponsor. All I wanted to know was if I can let the vendor know on their own FS thread that their pricing might be off compared to other local stores. The answer has been made CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I started this thread before saying anything to the vendor on his/her own thread.

To The RS sponsors: You guys will be the first people I call if I ever need something. I hope you see that I was not trying to strong arm you but rather raise a point about being competitive and knowing the competition pricing. If you found it offensive - I apologize.


Feel free to lock this thread or let it die down. I won't be updating :)

[TypeRNammer]

If it wasn't for revscene, I would of not known about image in motion.

Their prices are very fair for what they sell up here.

For example, the Fujita air filters they sell is much cheaper than "other" shops.

Peter and the crew are a friendly bunch!

[tofu1413]

^ well IIM is more of a warehouse than a shop.. they dont provide mechanical services :P

[BaoTurbo]

This is more like a rant.

[!SG]

i respond non sugar coated.

i expect more from long time members like you.

i encourage everyone to give the sponsors a try first before ruling them out.



@SG / RB - It was never my intention to strong arm a local sponsor. All I wanted to know was if I can let the vendor know on their own FS thread that their pricing might be off compared to other local stores. The answer has been made CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I started this thread before saying anything to the vendor on his/her own thread.

To The RS sponsors: You guys will be the first people I call if I ever need something. I hope you see that I was not trying to strong arm you but rather raise a point about being competitive and knowing the competition pricing. If you found it offensive - I apologize.


Feel free to lock this thread or let it die down. I won't be updating :)

[sliq]

LOL you guys all talk about wanting to get things cheaper or discounted in other threads but once someone mentions the sponsors........