[rexsomnii]

I was involved in an accident today on May 13th 2012 at 5:05pm

I was driving my moms Toyota Camry 2002 with my parents inside.
I was heading northbound on a stale green. I was approximately 3 meters away from the intersection while still going 50km/h. It was too late to stop for the yellow light that turned .. so I decided to go for it. Then all a sudden thre other car..

2012 Kia sorento. Silver in color.
Decided to turn left on a yellow.

Bam I hit him.

He received minimal damage while I took most of it.
Left headlight smashed. Quarter panel is bent at the front. Bumper needs to be replace. Hopefully the frame is okay.

But here's the thing.

I ran out to see if I can get any witnesses while my mom grabs their information.
No one was there to see it but I came accross a Hindu lady and she said I ran a red when it was still a yellow.
I just wonder if that has any effect on how this will go.

Please advise.

Thanks in advance

[mb_]

Knowing ICBC, Kia driver will be found at fault which is usually the case in left turn accidents

[KO7]

Best of luck to you, I hate that intersection. With Chong Lee market and Golden Oscar restaurant, it's an absolute mess sometimes. Did you need to swerve around a car turning left going Northbound as well? Or was the Sorento able to see you the whole way?

[duy-]

Usually im use to hearing it from the other person (kia's) point of view and i usually tell them they're fucked unless they can find a witness. fortunately you're on the other end that icbc usually sides with and on top of that you have a witness that claims you didnt run a red. i think you're good unless he can come up with some witnesses that say otherwise

[GoneGuru]

Usually im use to hearing it from the other person (kia's) point of view and i usually tell them they're fucked unless they can find a witness. fortunately you're on the other end that icbc usually sides with and on top of that you have a witness that claims you didnt run a red. i think you're good unless he can come up with some witnesses that say otherwise

Witness in OP's statement says that OP ran a red, which might actually screw him over and put the fault on him in ICBC's eyes.

[Chronix]

why were you going over 60 anyways? GG. hate the fucking idiots who tried to run a late yellow.

[jtanner_]

^ 2 km over..? Lol

[duy-]

Witness in OP's statement says that OP ran a red, which might actually screw him over and put the fault on him in ICBC's eyes.

oh i read it wrong, yeah you're fucked. dont use her as a witness lol. i hope that the guy in the kia didnt get her name and number

[racerman88]

The person making the left is responsible for making sure it is safe to proceed. They will be found at least the majority at fault

[Gnomes]

ICBC will likely say both at fault

[Yc]

^not true

if witness are presented indicating the person ran a red, then the left turner will not be at fault

[kkttsang]

i had this recently but mine was a yellow, and the left turner was found 100% at fault.
And like mentioned above the left turner has to make sure its clear before turning. And from where you damage is on the car sounds like he was the one that was starting the turn. i think kia is 100% even with the red light i think he will be 75% and your 25%. just my 2 cents

[sebTeggy]

Where in the driving book does it say 'YELLOW light means people making left turns get the right of way', Because I think I missed that part, where did everyone else read it?

This should be 150% the fault of the person turning, even at a yellow. I hope ICBC doesn't split it. Oh and edit your post. If anyone finds you say you were doing over 50, you will get screwed. (Vancouver speed limits if you are from surrey btw)

[TjAlmeida]

im guessing their fault, with where you described the damage is on your car it sounds like the kia probably thought you were stopping and proceded and hit you as you entered the intersection. I dont think view is obstructed that much for north bound traffic for the kia to not see you at all.

Good luck and I hope icbc is in your favor.

[Redlines_Daily]

if you ran a yellow, the left turner will be at fault. If the light was red when you entered the intersection then you will be at fault. When I say "at fault" I mean from ICBC's perspective. In reality, you are both at fault for causing the accident. The turner should have made 100% certain the intersection was clear, but you should have been more aware of the situation too. If you are approaching a stale green then you should adjust your speed accordingly so that you can stop if the light changes (and it did). I always glance at the pedestrian walk sign when approaching an intersection, if the orange hand is blinking then you know the light will change soon. Defensive driving, people.

[lgman]

a Hindu lady...

Wonder what would happen if you start counting these in pain sight..

http://p.twimg.com/ApvyRjcCQAAwPon.jpg:lawl:

Jokes.
Jokes.

Did you try calling the owners of Rupert Fish market I'm sure they've seen their share of accidents on that corner.

[guesswho]

^ they closed down

[rexsomnii]

Thanks for all your inputs. To make the yellow.. even with my parents in the car. Mom was beside me yelling wtf is that guy doing just turning as I was entering the intersection.
Do I get a chance to submit my pictures and skid marks of the the intersection?

How does icbc draw this to the end. I know they got a Hindu lady as a witness but I feel that she might lie just to fuck me over because I look like a young asian driver. I'm 22 . :(

[kakucaekz]

Shit, I live right on that corner. Well, not really, but I can see the intersection from my house. It's a pretty crappy intersection. Didn't hear anything at about 5 though, and I was outside in the backyard working on my lip too =\

[rexsomnii]

I dunno what to do now. I'm just worried icbc will take the other partys side because of the witness. If there's any way to find witness on my part. I was travelling from 41st and Clarendon .. chill driving all the way to this intersection.. there was a slight hill going downwards .

[AzNightmare]

Good luck. don't use that lady as testimony if it doesn't benefit you. Don't say you were speeding above 50.
It's immediate red flag if you admit to that. Did the other driver talk to the Indian woman as well?

And from my personal experience...
I find icbc unreliable when trying to piece an accident together just by looking at car damages...
So good luck.

[rexsomnii]

Yeah the hindu lady talked to the other driver. So should i just say i was driving in the 55's then ?

Ill post up damages right now. I just got home from a long ass day

[mb_]

If I were you I wouldn't even bring up the speed. If they asked I'd say I was going the speed limit according to the speedometer to have less chances of being fucked over.

[rexsomnii]

Fuck ... i gave the statement to ICBC already.. I said i was going 58. Is that over for me now :(

[rexsomnii]

Flickr: GerardLe's Photostream (http://flic.kr/ps/2cj7xq)

My damage :(

[optiblue]

Doesnt even look that bad. I definately wouldn't have brought up speed, but hope your witness doesn't say it was red otherwise you're screwed.

[rexsomnii]

But she said I ran red but I didnt. boooo :(
I drove the Camry

[Nocardia]

Doesn't matter what actually happened. If the "unbiased" witness says you ran a red (which in all likelihood you didn't, but by the time the witness looked at the color after the accident, it was red), then unfortunately you are at fault.

Exact scenario happened to me out front of the PNE and that clusterfuck of an intersection. I ran a yellow, 400 people around and no one saw anything, then a month later there is a witness that said I ran the red. Game over. Took 3 months to be found 100% at fault and 6 years to resolve how much money the kid got.

[lowda9]

Hm can't beleive i missed this. I probably missed it by a minute or 2 because i was on rupert and 22nd at that time. oh well, i find it hard to beleive no 1 saw the accident except 1 lady, its so busy there with chong lee, 7 eleven, 4 bus stops there.

[ilovebacon]

I don't know if this would help but u could always try asking for 711 cameras and see if it caught anything

[Verdasco]

I was In the same situation before but on Victoria and kingsway going southbound from MetrOtown. I won but I had a witness where as the Other driver did not. This does nOt sound good for op

[TheKingdom2000]

Hey OP, I know i'm just being paranoid. But, I would edit out what speed you were going.
just in the slim chance the driver knows your revscene or the adjuster figures it out.. I know this is being really paranoid, but you never know.

If they have evidence that you may have been speeding that could work against you.
but, from what you have said, it is the guy turning left that will be at fault.

Good luck with the situation and I hope you guys are all okay.

[Psykopathik]

so you looked at the speedo before you crashed?

[pastarocket]

You should really think about buying a dash camera for the car. If you are in a situation where you do not have witnesses to an accident, then how will you get ICBC to be on your side? The dash cam can be your best buddy.

[El Bastardo]

How did you find out what that lady's religion was? Did it come up organically in conversation or did you come out and ask her?

[rexsomnii]

Sorry i mean East Indian lady

How did you find out what that lady's religion was? Did it come up organically in conversation or did you come out and ask her?

[rexsomnii]

You should really think about buying a dash camera for the car. If you are in a situation where you do not have witnesses to an accident, then how will you get ICBC to be on your side? The dash cam can be your best buddy.

Time to invest in one for my mom. I dont have a car at the moment.

Canada Line to work every day.

[91LS-VTak]

Sorry i mean East Indian lady

South Asian

[bballguy]

At fault or not at fault, OP sounds like a fucking idiot....

[Gunsmokez]

-Weather was dry and if you were going speed limit, you should had been able to stop prior to intersection.

-You have witness stating you ran red.

Conclusion - You are fucked. Unless someone can vouch for you. At best 50/50.

[AzNightmare]

Hm can't beleive i missed this. I probably missed it by a minute or 2 because i was on rupert and 22nd at that time. oh well, i find it hard to beleive no 1 saw the accident except 1 lady, its so busy there with chong lee, 7 eleven, 4 bus stops there.

Not so much that no one saw.
But more like no one wanted to be involved or troubled to be a witness, and some people are just naturally reluctant to offer up personal info to strangers, even in times of need. So it's easier to just turn the head and say you saw nothing. It's quite sad. Considering it's an intersection, I guarantee at least some of the other cars would be watching at the intersection. Otherwise... How else would drivers know when a light changes green.

[godwin]

How ICBC "draw this" depends on how articulate you are. You have to present your point of view to convince ICBC that the other person is more likely to be at fault. From the sounds of it, you need practice. eg what do your parents position in the car relevant to your case?

BTW speed limit is there as a guideline, you are suppose to vary according to traffic conditions. Just be glad no cop was around to hand you a ticket. It looks like you didn't even brake until you enter the intersection (hence the skid mark).

If you don't want your parents to suffer for your fault.. get a $500 box of bolt and get basic insurance for it.

[ilovebacon]

If you think you ran a yellow and not a red. Just fight for it. Go with what you believe in.