[J.C]

Hey, what parts can I get for $1000 after tax?
I don't know much about choosing parts and stuff, but I'm going to use this mainly for gaming, browsing, and music.

Looking to build this over the month of June, I already got all the peripherals and the OS, so those don't need to be included.

Thanks :fullofwin:

[CP.AR]

what games will you be playing?

[J.C]

starcraft 2, diablo, etc stuff along that line, and future games like guild wars 2

[Shorn]

i just built one at ncix! haven't bought it yet but will soon.. let me find specs and post it
edit: here it is

1 x PC Assembly and Testing With 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased)
PC Assembly & Testing does not include servers and requires an additional 4-5 business days to ship once all parts are in stock. NCIX will install aftermarket heatsinks or pre-filled CPU liquid coolers. 1 Year Limited Warranty on installed system parts.
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD
1 x Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB
1 x Intel 320 Series GEN3 40GB 2.5IN SSD SATA2 Solid State Disk Flash Drive OEM
1 x Please Use The Heatsink Included With My CPU -NOT Available With OEM Processors
1 x Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV mATX LGA1155 H61 DDR3 1PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Video Sound Motherboard
1 x ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
1 x Corsair Vengeance Blue Lowprofile 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit
1 x AMD Radeon HD 6870 900MHZ 1GB GDDR5 4.2GHZ PCI-E 2 X DVI HDMI 2 X Mini Display Port
This video card is available only as part of a custom-built NCIX PC system.
1 x Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound
1 x Corsair CMPSU-400CX 400CX 400W ATX 12V 30A Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan

it's $974 before tax. but that includes the $50 assembly fee so if you want to put it together yourself it'll be cheaper. i also decided to get a 40gb SSD just to put windows and games on it so they load faster. but that's optional you can just use a regular hard drive. the video card is pretty good bang for the buck.. and the i5 is good enough for most things you'll want to do, i don't think i7 is really necessary. plus its unlocked too so you can overclock it if you want.

also debating whether i should get a water cooling system.. any ideas? and maybe a more powerful power supply.

this system should run your games fine.. probably games like battlefield 3 would be tougher on highest settings but i'm pretty sure it'll even run that on medium fine

[Verdasco]

400W psu? hmm interesting. :suspicious:

[CP.AR]

^ +1....

:suspicious:
though sandybridge i5s are pretty fuel efficient

[Shorn]

haha i don't really know much about computers. just kind of learned on the way. i don't really know much about power supplies and all that. which other one should i go for then?

[J.C]

anyone here have any experience with used parts?
how would i test it to see if it even works? :suspicious:

[mb_]

^ +1....

:suspicious:
though sandybridge i5s are pretty fuel efficient
Fuel efficient.. :lawl:

[SkinnyPupp]

400W psu? hmm interesting. :suspicious:
400W is plenty for that setup. I don't understand why you'd choose SB over IB though. And there's no reason to get a K processor when you're not overclocking. (based on your motherboard, psu, and cooler choices, you won't be)

[Verdasco]

i am shocked to see how efficient computer parts are these days... ole the good ole 8800gt that power sucked life LOL

[Shorn]

400W is plenty for that setup. I don't understand why you'd choose SB over IB though. And there's no reason to get a K processor when you're not overclocking. (based on your motherboard, psu, and cooler choices, you won't be)

sorry i don't know that much about computers.. what does SB and IB mean?

and yeah probably not going to overclock.. i just chose it on a friends recommendation anyways. i have no idea what most of the specs and acronyms mean. so should i pick the 2500 instead then? it's only about $12 bucks difference on ncix so i thought i might as well go for the K.. or am i confusing this with something else :okay:

[lilaznviper]

SB = sandy bridge IB = ivy bridge

[SkinnyPupp]

Get this CPU instead

Intel Core i5 3550 Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail - Intel - BX80637I53550 (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70542&vpn=BX80637I53550&manufacture=Intel)

Get this video card instead

EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Fermi 850MHZ 1024MB Superclocked GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 2XDVI-I Mini-HDMI Video Card - eVGA - 01G-P3-1463-KR (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61198&vpn=01G-P3-1463-KR&manufacture=eVGA&promoid=1067)

[J.C]

my thread got jacked lol :pokerface:

[SkinnyPupp]

We are helping you, isn't that the reason you posted this build?

[J.C]

^ yeah, sorry

so replace the parts that you posted out of shorn's and its good to go? :D

[Shorn]

my thread got jacked lol :pokerface:

:ilied:

by the way after swapping in skinnypup's parts total is now $934 before tax. even cheaper!

[SkinnyPupp]

Instead of the 40GB SSD, I would get a 32 or 50GB cache drive such as OCZ Synapse or Crucial Adrenaline. Or at the very least, if the 40GB is cheap, set it up as a cache drive, not an install drive. I am about to test Intel's cache vs the 2 I mentioned, they work differently. I should have the results in a few days.

The reason the cache drives are faster is because they are overprovisioned. The more flash an SSD has, the faster it is. So the 50GB Crucial actually has 64GB onboard, and will be as fast as a 64GB drive. The 40GB intel has 40GB of flash (or maybe a bit more, you'd ahve to look it up). The 32GB OCZ is actually sold as a "64 GB" on the label, but you only have access to 32GB of it. It is still as fast as a 64GB drive though, and 32GB is sufficient for caching.

I'd get a WD Blue over a Barracuda. 3 year warranty vs 2 year, and made in Thailand vs China

[Shorn]

how's this one?
OCZ Synapse Cache 64GB 2.5IN SATA3 SandForce SF-2281 SSD Solid State Disk Flash Drive - OCZ Technology - SYN-25SAT3-64G (http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64474&vpn=SYN-25SAT3-64G&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology)

the smallest NCIX sells is 64GB.. is that overkill?

actually found this one too: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69255&vpn=CT050M4SSC2BDA&manufacture=CRUCIAL%20TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1260

cheaper.

[SkinnyPupp]

Like I said, the 64GB Synapse is actually a 32GB drive. The Crucial is probably a better deal, I start testing it tonight

[J.C]

i used my very minimal knowledge of computers and i came up with these


Zalman Z9 Plus Case w/ Fan Controller
LG SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA, Black, OEM
AMD MEMORY Performance Edition 8GB PC3-12800 CL8 DDR3 SDRAM Kit
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Green 5400rpm SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
MSI Z77A-GD65 w/ DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, 3-Way SLI / CrossFireX
Intel Core™ i5-3570K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache
MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 600 Watt Power Supply

Comes to a total of
$872.65, saved $120 (price matched everything lol)
could get some cooling with the extra money for overclocking
and if 600 watt isn't enough, i could throw in another $10 for the 700 watt

[twitchyzero]

^ looks good but you'll want SSD or a 7200rpm HDD...otherwise that green drive is gonna bottleneck the shit outta everything you have.

For HDD it's fine to go with SATAII...SATAIII 6Gbps is only useful for SSD

[!MiKrofT]

i used my very minimal knowledge of computers and i came up with these


Zalman Z9 Plus Case w/ Fan Controller
LG SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA, Black, OEM
AMD MEMORY Performance Edition 8GB PC3-12800 CL8 DDR3 SDRAM Kit
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Green 5400rpm SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
MSI Z77A-GD65 w/ DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, 3-Way SLI / CrossFireX
Intel Core™ i5-3570K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache
MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 600 Watt Power Supply

Comes to a total of
$872.65, saved $120 (price matched everything lol)
could get some cooling with the extra money for overclocking
and if 600 watt isn't enough, i could throw in another $10 for the 700 watt
You might as well use the rest of your budget and get an SSD as your os/app drive and the 1TB as storage.

[J.C]

My friends told me not to get a green drive

And what is a ssd sorry i dont know much

But i really dont need that much space
Im only using about 300gb on my laptop

[Gerbs]

A ssd allows you to load faster in games.

[!MiKrofT]

My friends told me not to get a green drive

And what is a ssd sorry i dont know much

But i really dont need that much space
Im only using about 300gb on my laptop
SSD = Solid State Drive. No moving parts and way faster than a regular spinny drive.

Nothing wrong with the WD Green drive if you're using them for storage. I have 2 of them and they're fine. If you only plan on using the single regular drive get a 1TB WD Black instead.

[J.C]

Yeah i was planning on the black

NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal Intel Core i5 3570K Quad Core & ASUS P8Z77-V Lk SLI DDR3 Motherboard - Bundle Deals - 3570K & P8Z77-V LK (http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=72062&vpn=3570K%20%26%20P8Z77-V%20LK&manufacture=Bundle%20Deals&promoid=1019)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77VPRO

Saw these bundle and it looks good
Any thoughts?
Leaning more towards the ncix one

[twitchyzero]

that ncix one isn't bad for price..if you are only doing mild-moderate overclocking it's decent
memory express bundle isn't really a bundle deal..pretty much retail pricing

[J.C]

CASE: MSI Interceptor Series Nighthawk ATX Mid Tower Case 4X5.25 6X3.5INT 2X120MM 200MM USB3.0 *No PS* $50 (NCIX)
RAM: AMD MEMORY Performance Edition 8GB PC3-12800 CL8 DDR3 SDRAM Kit (2 x 4GB) $40 (ME)
CPU & MOBO: NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal Intel Core i5 3570K Quad Core & ASUS P8Z77-V Lk SLI DDR3 Motherboard $350 (NCIX)
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Fermi 732MHZ 1280MB GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card $250 (ME)
PSU: Coolermaster Extreme Power Plus 700W ATX 12V V2.3 Silent Power Supply 20/24PIN 120MM Fan $70 (NCIX)
HARD DRIVE: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 16MB Cache 7200RPM 3.5IN SATA Internal Hard Drive OEM $68 (ME)
WATER COOLING: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H80 High Performance CPU Cooler System LGA775 1366 1156 1155 AM2 AM3 $90 (ME/NCIX)
SOUND CARD: ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI-E Sound Card 24BIT Dolby Digital 116DB SNR W/ Low Profile Bracket $60 (ME)

a bit over my budget, its 1100 after tax qq, should i take out the 570 for a 560?
all the stuff from ME is price matched already

which cooler would be better? the corsair one above, or this? their the same price

http://secure1.ncix.com/products/?sku=60587

going to the ncix warehouse sale tonight and going to see what i can get

[J.C]

so came back and got quite a bit at the sale

CASE: Thermaltake Chaser MK-1 $65
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z68-V Pro GEN3 $80
GPU: MSI N570GTX Power Edition OC $245
PSU: Corsair enthusiast Series TX650 $60
SOUND CARD: ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI-E $40
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB $60

still got to pick up a 3570k, thermaltake 2.0 pro water cooling, memory, and an asus dvd drive

[FerrariEnzo]

so came back and got quite a bit at the sale

CASE: Thermaltake Chaser MK-1 $65
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z68-V Pro GEN3 $80
GPU: MSI N570GTX Power Edition OC $245
PSU: Corsair enthusiast Series TX650 $60
SOUND CARD: ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI-E $40
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 72200.12 1TB $60

still got to pick up a 3570k, thermaltake 2.0 pro water cooling, memory, and an asus dvd drive
Why would you get a water cooling kit if you dont plan on OCing your rig????
The ASUS P8Z68-V Pro GEN3 has onboard sound card, you dont really need to buy a sound card..


what is the benefits of the Cache drive over an SSD drive..
from what I understand, the cache drive (in conjunction with a spiny drive) makes it act as a SSD, but they are reletively the same price, isnt it better to get an SSD?

unless if you have a large capacity drive, like 500gb+.. but what would the read/write speeds be?

right now Im using the WD Raptor 300gb drive as my main drive, for the same price as an SSD, would the Crucial Adrenaline 50gb be better to get over an acutal SSD drive?

[J.C]

i do plan to oc it, and i got the sound card because it was 60% off and i really like music so why not.

and there were no ssd's at the sale, but going to look out for one in the near future because right now i'm only using the drive for storage

[SiRV]

a bit of a newb queston here... but if you have a water cooled system does that mean your system won't make any fan noises at all? any other benefits to watercooling?

[SkinnyPupp]

I started testing cache drives vs Intel's Smart Response. The cache drives are faster, so I recommend them over using a small SSD and Intel's software.

BTW going back to a mechanical HDD for the first time in a while, you realize how fucking SLOW they are... my god! Every little thing takes longer, as it chugs away noisily. Seriously, HDDs are a relic of the past

[J.C]

just got back and ended up getting air cooling instead of water
will update with pics when im done

[SiRV]

OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5IN SATA3 6Gbps SandForce SF-2281 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD - OCZ Technology - VTX3-25SAT3-120G (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59354&vpn=VTX3-25SAT3-120G&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology&promoid=1019)


Just want to double check! It looks like a sweet deal, but it almost sounds too good to be true... is this good for a SSD?

[J.C]

fffffffff
it doesn't work, somethings wrong, but me and my friends don't know what yet, theres so many possibilities.
going to retry tomorrow

[!MiKrofT]

a bit of a newb queston here... but if you have a water cooled system does that mean your system won't make any fan noises at all? any other benefits to watercooling?
Yes. It reduce noise as you don't have a fan on the block but you still have a fan cooling the radiator. As well you might get a bit of pump noise that's circulating the fluid.

[!MiKrofT]

OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5IN SATA3 6Gbps SandForce SF-2281 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD - OCZ Technology - VTX3-25SAT3-120G (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59354&vpn=VTX3-25SAT3-120G&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology&promoid=1019)


Just want to double check! It looks like a sweet deal, but it almost sounds too good to be true... is this good for a SSD?
I wouldn't say too good to be true. Prices are coming down and the vertex 4 has already been released. Good price overall though. Just make sure it's got the latest firmware update on the drive if you decide to get it.

[FerrariEnzo]

I started testing cache drives vs Intel's Smart Response. The cache drives are faster, so I recommend them over using a small SSD and Intel's software.

BTW going back to a mechanical HDD for the first time in a while, you realize how fucking SLOW they are... my god! Every little thing takes longer, as it chugs away noisily. Seriously, HDDs are a relic of the past

doesnt Intels smart response utilizes the SSD cache drives? or does it only used a mechanical drive and makes part of it a cache drive?

[SkinnyPupp]

doesnt Intels smart response utilizes the SSD cache drives? or does it only used a mechanical drive and makes part of it a cache drive?
Sorry I don't understand what you're asking

[J.C]

so either my psu or my mb is broken, friend took my motherboard and cpu and is going to try with his psu

[dryjesus]

Shorn, if I were you, I would get at least a 500w psu for that system. The video card pulls about 200 watts alone, leaving you only 200w for the rest of your system. I'm sure the power supply will run your computer, but you'll be straining it all the time. Your 400w psu isn't gonna be running at the optimum efficiency, so you'll actually be paying more for your electricity bill (compared to a 500-550w psu) and the fan on your power supply will be ramped up all the time.

And I'm pretty sure the OP knows that the motherboard has onboard audio. It's just that a sound card offers much much better sound quality than onboard. I'm pretty sure you would notice if you heard a computer with a good sound card, especially with good speakers.

[SiRV]

Let me know what you guys think of these two setups:


intel core i5 3550 Quadcore 3.3 Ghz (Ivy) 219.98
MSI Z77A-G45 Mobo 153.99
Tower case (black) 44.99
Muskin Chronos 120 GB 2.5IN SATA3 Sandforce 2281 SSD 99.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200 500 GB 3.5IN 16 MBCache SATA3 HDD 69.99 (might change this to 1TB)
Windows 7 ... 97.99 (guess I can get pirated?)
DRW-24B1ST 24x SATA DVD Writer 19.99
Corsair Vengeance Blue 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 44.79
Corsair TX650 V2 650W ATX 12V Single rail 54A Power supply 79.99
GeForce GTX 550 Ti OC 950 MHZ 4300 MHZ 1GB GDDR5 129.99
Total comes to 1139.25 after installation/taxes etc.





Intel Core i5-3450 3.10 GHZ 6 MB 209.99
AsRock Z77 Pro3 Mobo 144.99
GeForce GTX 550 Ti SC 1GB 119.99
Seatgate 1TB Barracuda 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 99.99
Corsair TX650M 650W PSU (modular) 91.24
ASUS 24x DVDRW SATA 18.74
MS Windows 7 92.49
Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Tower Case 59.99
Set up = 40.00
Total 1170.57



What do you guys think is a better deal.. everythings' already been price matched roughly on the second option (which is why windows 7 is cheaper etc.). Anything you guys would swap out for better / cheaper parts that still perform well?

Again.. not a hardcore gamer.. just want something that will last a couple years .. D3 , maybe some FPS's etc.

Thanks!

[!MiKrofT]

Shorn, if I were you, I would get at least a 500w psu for that system. The video card pulls about 200 watts alone, leaving you only 200w for the rest of your system. I'm sure the power supply will run your computer, but you'll be straining it all the time. Your 400w psu isn't gonna be running at the optimum efficiency, so you'll actually be paying more for your electricity bill (compared to a 500-550w psu) and the fan on your power supply will be ramped up all the time.

And I'm pretty sure the OP knows that the motherboard has onboard audio. It's just that a sound card offers much much better sound quality than onboard. I'm pretty sure you would notice if you heard a computer with a good sound card, especially with good speakers.
The videocard doesn't always pull 200W. That's only on full load which most of the time it isn't.

[Shorn]

Shorn, if I were you, I would get at least a 500w psu for that system. The video card pulls about 200 watts alone, leaving you only 200w for the rest of your system. I'm sure the power supply will run your computer, but you'll be straining it all the time. Your 400w psu isn't gonna be running at the optimum efficiency, so you'll actually be paying more for your electricity bill (compared to a 500-550w psu) and the fan on your power supply will be ramped up all the time.

And I'm pretty sure the OP knows that the motherboard has onboard audio. It's just that a sound card offers much much better sound quality than onboard. I'm pretty sure you would notice if you heard a computer with a good sound card, especially with good speakers.

not sure if i should trust jesus or not :pokerface:

but even if it is enough i probably will get the 500w then.. i'd prefer it to be more quiet most of the time

[J.C]

wow my motherboard doesn't support ivy bridge.
also i don't know anyone with a sandy bridge cpu so that i can use it and upgrade the BIOS on my mb
gg

[!MiKrofT]

wow my motherboard doesn't support ivy bridge.
also i don't know anyone with a sandy bridge cpu so that i can use it and upgrade the BIOS on my mb
gg
If you take it back to NCIX I'm sure they'll be able to flash it for you for free. Kinda odd though. A refurb motherboard would usually come back with the latest BIOS update.

[J.C]

theres hope! :fullofwin:
i'll call them tomorrow and ask

[dryjesus]

The videocard doesn't always pull 200W. That's only on full load which most of the time it isn't.

Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.

not sure if i should trust jesus or not :pokerface:

but even if it is enough i probably will get the 500w then.. i'd prefer it to be more quiet most of the time

Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(

[dryjesus]

I think NCIX will flash the firmware for free for you also. But a refurb motherboard doesn't have to come back with the latest BIOS update. What if it's an a refurb that's been sitting there for a while, and a new BIOS is released? But yeah, give them a call or borrow from a friend.

[Purely]

not sure if i should trust jesus or not :pokerface:

but even if it is enough i probably will get the 500w then.. i'd prefer it to be more quiet most of the time

Like Jesus said, for your rig I would get at least 500w+. Aside from the noise factor, I would probably get 5-600w+ so that the PSU would be future proof when you upgrade parts later on.

[SkinnyPupp]

That's somewhat ironic, since an upgrade would bring down his power consumption considerably ;)

[.Renn.Sport]

Gonna build 4 of these for my china home to play Diablo with my frds
not even gonna bother with a DVD drive... all new games are network downloaded anyways...
Core i5 3550
Micro ATX Z77 board
8GB Ram
Any 560GTX
Any branded PSU @500w
Any good looking MATX case
Intel 120GB SSD
Dell 23" Ultrasharp IPS LCD

Around $7300 HKD

[!MiKrofT]

Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.



Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(
I think it'll idle lower than 200. But anways I think the first issue to resolve first is the non booting first and then upgrade the powersupply.

[J.C]

HI J---------,
Yes this would have had the latest BIOS from when we had received this from the manufacturer. At this time If you wish to have it brought into an NCIX store to update the BIOS the techs may charge you for this as we do not guarantee any BIOS revisions. I apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. If you have any further questions or concerns please let me know.

FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged

[dryjesus]

That's somewhat ironic, since an upgrade would bring down his power consumption considerably ;)

You're right, but it depends on the card really.

Most likely the computer isn't booting up right now because the board doesn't support ivy without the newest bios. Or the board is plain broken.

[Shorn]

thank you jesus

[!MiKrofT]

FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged
They shouldn't need to charge. I mean it's such a simple procedure and if you explain your situation I'm sure they'll end up doing it for free.

[J.C]

Woo got it all set up and done
The guy at ncix fixed it for me no charge and he forgot 4gb of ram on my motherboard
Ill drop it off to them on saturday

[belaud]

FFFFFFFFFFF, i'll check @ aberdeen later and hopefully I don't get charged

lol that was me :troll:

[belaud]

Yeah, but you still have to put into account when the video card IS on full load. If a computer pulls 450w at full load, you're not going to get a 400w and think "most of the time it won't be a 450w, so i'll just go with a little lower".

You should always have a good amount of headroom. As I said before, if you get close to the max wattage of your power supply, the fan will ramp up louder. And then you have capacitor aging, where the capacitors on your PSU degrades over time and the effective wattage of your power supply lowers.

Most power supplies usually have the best efficiency at around 50% load. Shorn's computer will probably idle at around 200~. It would be annoying if the PSU fan ramped up every time he opened something.

And if he ever decides to get a new video card that might use a little more power, he doesn't need to worry or wonder if his psu can handle it.

Don't get me wrong, you're probably fine with the 400w, but I would prefer a 500w to be worry free about upgrading and to avoid a loud fan.



Hope that's enough to convince you? You don't have to trust me... after all, it's just advice! :) You probably don't trust a guy with a 4 post count. I understand... :'(

Capacitor decay is very limited now, as 99.99999999% of the named power supplies are all solid japanesaru caps, however, decay happens immediately once they are ran outside their specified loads (450W on a 420W), this will cause immediate damage to the power supply.

[J.C]

lol that was me :troll:

really? i got your ram :troll: