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static
05-29-2012, 06:25 PM
A Bicycle Ride - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8sjgoZVxWE0)

dinosaur
05-29-2012, 06:34 PM
very cool! although, i wish it were a touch slower...

1exotic
05-29-2012, 06:45 PM
lol at the mcdonalds on main street

RecklessNS
05-29-2012, 06:49 PM
all I saw was gasoline at 73 cent's, that made me feel warm inside.

yes I know I'm a young one :okay:

still great vid

4444
05-29-2012, 06:59 PM
the thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me - THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE!!!! same roads - think how much vancouver's population has grown, yet still same bridges from vancouver to North Van/West Van, and this was almost 40 yrs ago

Domani
05-29-2012, 08:02 PM
all I saw was gasoline at 73 cent's, that made me feel warm inside.

yes I know I'm a young one :okay:

still great vid

and that was in the middle of the 70's energy crisis, i bet it felt just as bad then or worse than our 1.50 right now.

gas was way cheaper towards the end of the 90's.

TopsyCrett
05-29-2012, 08:11 PM
Spotted a Datsun 240z near the end!

tiger_handheld
05-29-2012, 08:17 PM
anyone know what route the person is taking. all i could muster up was second narrows.

VrrM604
05-29-2012, 08:27 PM
Found this link in the comments (if you wanted to watch it slower...no audio though)
Watch youtube in slow motion (http://www.youtubeslow.com/index.php?feature=player_embedded&v=8sjgoZVxWE0)

dru
05-29-2012, 08:33 PM
Thanks for sharing that. It would be cool if someone could recreate this today! I'd do it, but I don't think I have the legs for that distance!

gars
05-29-2012, 08:42 PM
all I saw was gasoline at 73 cent's, that made me feel warm inside.

yes I know I'm a young one :okay:

still great vid

According to Bank of Canada, $0.73 would equal $3.51 today. Ya, the gas crisis was insane.

I remember when gas was $0.35, and I'm not even that old.

really cool video!!

static
05-29-2012, 08:43 PM
can anyone figure out the route? Then we could maybe do an RS bike ride !

Razor Ramon HG
05-29-2012, 08:46 PM
Thought I saw Nanaimo?

duy-
05-29-2012, 08:49 PM
i feel oddly homesick, i know its still the same city but its missing a bit of charm? i cant explain it but maybe its the fact that it is less crowded

Eff-1
05-29-2012, 09:33 PM
Back then gas was 70 cents per GALLON.

Santofu
05-29-2012, 09:34 PM
can anyone figure out the route? Then we could maybe do an RS bike ride !

I think the beginning starts on Lakewood & Gravely or around there then passing templeton secondary on Garden drive to Hastings, turns right then turns left at Nanaimo.

Follow the road that connects to Iron Worker Memorial Bridge, get off at Main Street westbound then turns left on Low Level Road when you see a big factory building on your left which it's still there.

Somewhat he rode off in some unknown buildings but looks like he went back on St. Andrew or George Ave and turn left on Esplanade Ave
Just you know Low Level Road is the same road as this one so you can keep going.

After that, he took a shortcut to 3rd Street (Not sure if you can do shortcut, but if you wanna know where, it's on W 1st Street) It looked like he went to a friend's house so... Lets stay on the road that heads to stanley park by crossing on Lion Gate Bridge.

He rode around the stanley park, passed by Second Beach, English Bay then walked up to Burrard Bridge, I'm guessing he rode across the neighbourhood under Granville & Cambie Bridge. (According to Googlemaps, there is a "Seaside Bike Route".

Turn Left on Quebec then turns right on Terminal Ave to go back to original location

HAPPY RIDING! BE SAFE!

Acuracura
05-29-2012, 09:37 PM
the thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me - THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE!!!! same roads - think how much vancouver's population has grown, yet still same bridges from vancouver to North Van/West Van, and this was almost 40 yrs ago

Old infrastructure is just as good now as it was then. Take an old city like Paris, for example. The roads and bridges they have now are basically what they've had for the last 40 or more years. They have also had significant population growth and as a result, the city and people have adapted. Their mindset is not to build more bridges or wider roads. Instead, they accept the fact that there are too many people in one place, thus, concessions must be made. Many of them ride motorcycles and scooters. Many more own bicycles or use the public bicycle sharing system (velib). Most Parisians use the Metro as it is fast, reliable, and relatively inexpensive. Amsterdam is another city that hasn't needed to change their infrastructure, despite their population growth. They have implemented cycling into their lifestyle which moves everyone where they need to go without burning a single drop of petrol. It is not uncommon to see a business man wearing a full suit riding a bicycle to and from work because they have embraced this method of transportation as the norm. In addition to this, bicycles take up significantly less space than a car, require very little maintenance, and is less costly in terms of ownership and liability (insurance). The city hasn't needed to build more infrastructure because the existing roads and bridges are sufficient, given the people adapt to transportation methods other than cars.

Both Paris and Amsterdam are very old European cities so let's take a North American example, such as New York. The population of New York City is almost double of all of BC. Most New Yorkers don't own a vehicle, rather they rely on services like taxis or MTA. There is simply too many people and not enough space. Still, their roads and bridges have not drastically changed over the last 40 years. It hasn't had to because the people who live there have adapted, mostly by giving up on the car. Vancouver is nowhere near at capacity like NYC is, but the fact remains there is nothing wrong with our 40 year old roads and bridges. The problem lies in the lack of supporting infrastructure, mainly public transit and pedestrian/cyclist areas. A good local example is Downtown Granville Street where there is access to public transit, thriving shops, and only foot traffic is allowed. Not only is it far more pleasant and attractive, but it moves a lot more people a lot faster with less emissions. No matter what the problem is, be it the growing population or lack of infrastructure, the solution ultimately lies in the mindset of the people. At some point the people of Vancouver will realize there are too many people and not enough lanes or parking spaces for everyone to drive. Even if we did replace our current roads and bridges with ones twice as wide, we would still have a problem with congestion and gridlock. Perhaps not right away but eventually the population will catch up and surpass the car carrying capacity of the roads. Even with an excellent transit system like Hong Kong's MTR, they still face severe congestion, not on the roads but in the trains. Imagine if all those people were driving. Even a 12 lane highway wouldn't be able to accommodate that number of people in cars. Even if you do make it to work or home, where do you and the other 500 people in your building park? Even with the imperfect MTR system there are still more people getting to where they need to go more efficiently than any other method of transportation.

HondaGuy
05-29-2012, 09:40 PM
0.41 sec shell station $0.73...

Someone should do the same about 2012 and view back 10-20 years...

kevin7352
05-29-2012, 09:56 PM
i think he goes from north van, across lions gate into stanley park, and along the seawall for a portion. dammit wish that was slower

!Shuya80
05-29-2012, 11:00 PM
watching it in slow motion definitely helped alot more...my eyes were burning from just a minute of the original video.

tamazoid
05-29-2012, 11:47 PM
very cool! although, i wish it were a touch slower...

can anyone figure out the route? Then we could maybe do an RS bike ride !

Here's a slower and longer version with the street names. I guess the person just uploaded it.

A Bycicle Ride-the long version - YouTube

urrh
05-29-2012, 11:49 PM
i'm not sure how cameras looked in the mid 70s but i bet the mount on his bike was enormous

snowball
05-30-2012, 12:24 AM
New video is awesome, wish he/she took the new pictures on a sunny day though, oh well

Cillu
05-30-2012, 01:36 AM
This is freaking awesome. Its amazing how some places changed so drastically throughout the years and some stayed pretty much the same.

A-Dev
05-30-2012, 03:27 AM
Back then gas was 70 cents per GALLON.

^^This.

at .73 a gallon it works out to .19(ish) PER litre.

StylinRed
05-30-2012, 06:03 AM
awesome video thanks for linking it

he/she covered a lot of ground!

Vansterdam
05-30-2012, 07:10 AM
looks like alot of homes by false creek by the water were just starting to be built

Vansterdam
05-30-2012, 07:17 AM
i noticed commercial and 1st near the end of the video as well

wouldof been cool to see what commercial drive was like back then

Senna4ever
05-30-2012, 08:11 AM
That was shot by Hans Sipma, a successful commercial photographer based in Vancouver. You'll recognize his images from Playland, BCAA & Telus (I think) ads.

Hans Sipma Photography, Vancouver BC Canada, 259 Alexander Street (http://www.hanssipma.com/)

He borrowed one of my cameras for one of the shots in the Playland ad campaign:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/Playland_KingFisher.jpg

Phil@rise
05-30-2012, 10:18 AM
That was cool I recognised at least 75% of those area and route from my childhood just a scant few years after that. I even remember ridin on those old busses. At the end he writes no SUV's well I saw one blazer and a couple big old wagons not any different than an suv in my books

fliptuner
05-30-2012, 04:12 PM
So many cool, old cars.

Everymans
05-30-2012, 09:03 PM
The seawall looked like a pain in the ass for cyclists back then. Pedestrians errywhere and cyclists going both ways. Same with the burrard street bridge. Don't know what everyones big deal is about the bike lanes.

4444
05-30-2012, 09:13 PM
Old infrastructure is just as good now as it was then. Take an old city like Paris, for example. The roads and bridges they have now are basically what they've had for the last 40 or more years. They have also had significant population growth and as a result, the city and people have adapted. Their mindset is not to build more bridges or wider roads. Instead, they accept the fact that there are too many people in one place, thus, concessions must be made. Many of them ride motorcycles and scooters. Many more own bicycles or use the public bicycle sharing system (velib). Most Parisians use the Metro as it is fast, reliable, and relatively inexpensive. Amsterdam is another city that hasn't needed to change their infrastructure, despite their population growth. They have implemented cycling into their lifestyle which moves everyone where they need to go without burning a single drop of petrol. It is not uncommon to see a business man wearing a full suit riding a bicycle to and from work because they have embraced this method of transportation as the norm. In addition to this, bicycles take up significantly less space than a car, require very little maintenance, and is less costly in terms of ownership and liability (insurance). The city hasn't needed to build more infrastructure because the existing roads and bridges are sufficient, given the people adapt to transportation methods other than cars.

Both Paris and Amsterdam are very old European cities so let's take a North American example, such as New York. The population of New York City is almost double of all of BC. Most New Yorkers don't own a vehicle, rather they rely on services like taxis or MTA. There is simply too many people and not enough space. Still, their roads and bridges have not drastically changed over the last 40 years. It hasn't had to because the people who live there have adapted, mostly by giving up on the car. Vancouver is nowhere near at capacity like NYC is, but the fact remains there is nothing wrong with our 40 year old roads and bridges. The problem lies in the lack of supporting infrastructure, mainly public transit and pedestrian/cyclist areas. A good local example is Downtown Granville Street where there is access to public transit, thriving shops, and only foot traffic is allowed. Not only is it far more pleasant and attractive, but it moves a lot more people a lot faster with less emissions. No matter what the problem is, be it the growing population or lack of infrastructure, the solution ultimately lies in the mindset of the people. At some point the people of Vancouver will realize there are too many people and not enough lanes or parking spaces for everyone to drive. Even if we did replace our current roads and bridges with ones twice as wide, we would still have a problem with congestion and gridlock. Perhaps not right away but eventually the population will catch up and surpass the car carrying capacity of the roads. Even with an excellent transit system like Hong Kong's MTR, they still face severe congestion, not on the roads but in the trains. Imagine if all those people were driving. Even a 12 lane highway wouldn't be able to accommodate that number of people in cars. Even if you do make it to work or home, where do you and the other 500 people in your building park? Even with the imperfect MTR system there are still more people getting to where they need to go more efficiently than any other method of transportation.
Great points, except our transit system is soooooo poor, given that it's basically brand new - compared to any real city (Paris, Tokyo, Seoul, London, etc) VancouvEr's transit system is a joke

And if your point is on target why are we building new useless bridges like the golden ears, or replacing the golden ears - my point here is that we need new infrastructure between north van and Vancouver, new tunnel alternative, etc. who gives a fuck about surrey to maple ridge - no one, as proven but the lacking usage numbers

I wish Paris' city planners would come here, we need it

westopher
05-30-2012, 09:47 PM
1 translink tax per litre. fuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

FerrariEnzo
05-30-2012, 11:42 PM
anyone know what route the person is taking. all i could muster up was second narrows.
the road that leads to the hastings race track.. not sure if it was open back in the 70's.... it was during the late 80's...
takes second narrows and exit to the lower road, suppose to be used for big rigs coz theres a big hill climb, kinda like in new west...

man, marine drive in N. Van looks sooo diff back then.. ahh.. the good old lions gate bridge...

memories... i missed the 80's... so simple and just fun..

Gridlock
05-31-2012, 06:46 AM
Terminal Ave looked cool near the end, with no skytrain going down the middle.

yray
05-31-2012, 08:24 AM
Great points, except our transit system is soooooo poor, given that it's basically brand new - compared to any real city (Paris, Tokyo, Seoul, London, etc) VancouvEr's transit system is a joke

And if your point is on target why are we building new useless bridges like the golden ears, or replacing the golden ears - my point here is that we need new infrastructure between north van and Vancouver, new tunnel alternative, etc. who gives a fuck about surrey to maple ridge - no one, as proven but the lacking usage numbers
I wish Paris' city planners would come here, we need it

:ruserious: You're the type of people that's planning translink. hurrr current stats show no increase in people using traffic derrrr even though I can see a hundred highrises being built in city central. So let's plunk our dollars on ridiculous shit like the whatever card that doesn't need three years to implement then improve on places where IDGAF.

So you want Haussman style planning in Paris? Okay, then destroy all the buildings you see in Vancouver, adopt huge avenues built for horse carriages, adopt the same facade building with height restricts. Oh wait, look at Cambie... it's a reflection of Haussman. If you ever drove in Paris, it's a fucking pain in the ass as the whole city was built for horses, not cars. Try driving down the champd'elysses and getting out of the arc d'triumph. Oh wait you can't... because ten streets end at the roundabout at arc d triumph. :lawl: The only thing that works is the Metro/RER, but it looks so out of place as they just forced it into the city.

There is no basic plan for city/transit planning. Each city needs a specific plan for themselves, kinda like a tailored suit. There needs to be better education that planning isn't for a each city but as a whole region as a whole. Metro needs to stop playing prejudices and realize that planning should be equalized across each city. Fucking Translink stopped doing South of the Fraser Studies in 2008, the stats we are using are basically from 2008.

Meowjin
05-31-2012, 09:34 AM
height restrictions is the death of this city.

They are fighting density which would probably be better for the economy than sprawl.

Senna4ever
05-31-2012, 10:26 AM
If you ever drove in Paris, it's a fucking pain in the ass as the whole city was built for horses, not cars.
...and Panzers. :p

4444
05-31-2012, 05:17 PM
:ruserious: You're the type of people that's planning translink. hurrr current stats show no increase in people using traffic derrrr even though I can see a hundred highrises being built in city central. So let's plunk our dollars on ridiculous shit like the whatever card that doesn't need three years to implement then improve on places where IDGAF.

So you want Haussman style planning in Paris? Okay, then destroy all the buildings you see in Vancouver, adopt huge avenues built for horse carriages, adopt the same facade building with height restricts. Oh wait, look at Cambie... it's a reflection of Haussman. If you ever drove in Paris, it's a fucking pain in the ass as the whole city was built for horses, not cars. Try driving down the champd'elysses and getting out of the arc d'triumph. Oh wait you can't... because ten streets end at the roundabout at arc d triumph. :lawl: The only thing that works is the Metro/RER, but it looks so out of place as they just forced it into the city.

There is no basic plan for city/transit planning. Each city needs a specific plan for themselves, kinda like a tailored suit. There needs to be better education that planning isn't for a each city but as a whole region as a whole. Metro needs to stop playing prejudices and realize that planning should be equalized across each city. Fucking Translink stopped doing South of the Fraser Studies in 2008, the stats we are using are basically from 2008.

I have no idea what you said, sounds like drivel to me, but not the point

My reference to major cities was with respect to their transit systems, never did I mention the road system in these cities as others were touting the quality of our transit system

Our roads here are a joke, as proven by the crawl along the 99 this morning - an absolute joke, we're a tiny hick town of 2 mil ppl, with few improvements over the last 40 years. Our city planners are a joke, either give us mass transit up the arse or tear down along Granville and oak and build motorways a la the states - doing neither is a joke, we do neither, we half arse both

SumAznGuy
05-31-2012, 08:45 PM
So just for shits and giggles, I tried to map out his route on google maps but it is quite difficult since there are some road changes since 1974.