[Jer3]

Lance Armstrong could be stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and is banned from competing as a triathlete as a result of new doping charges brought against him by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

A 15-page USADA charging letter first obtained by the Washington Post made new allegations against Armstrong, contending the agency collected 2009 and 2010 blood samples from Armstrong identified as "fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

Armstrong has not previously tested positive for such transgressions.

Source: U.S. Anti-Doping Agency brings charges against Lance Armstrong - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lance-armstrong-20120614,0,2785855.story)

[Redlines_Daily]

EPO offers a huge advantage to athletes by improving exercise capacity, oxygen uptake, respiration, and energy efficiency. If he did indeed take it then he sure deserves to be stripped of his titles. Hope it's not true though, seems like a good guy.

[b0unce. [?]]

doubt it will happen.

[StylinRed]

they've been accusing him of doping for years

[mmmk]

Another article:
Lance Armstrong responds to agency's doping allegations - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/13/sport/armstrong-doping-allegations/index.html)

If he was cheating, they would have proved it by now.
Allegations don't mean nothing...c'mon now.
:rukidding:

[GLOW]

isn't the guy retired? people need to stop drinking this...

http://www.discobelle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/haterade.gif

[RRxtar]

from what i understand from talking to a few people in the higher level cycling world, its fairly well known he was on PEDs the whole time along with the majority of riders and its only a matter of time before it all comes out. retired or not.

[woob]

What else is new?

80% of the pro peloton was doping during the years Lance raced (note: not a factual statistic). They called those years the "Robocop" years for a reason. Lance probably was. I don't disparage him for it, though, since I'm pretty sure Ullrich (2nd place in 3 of Lance's TdF wins) and Pantani were doping as well so the playing field was more or less even.


I think outing Lance now would do cycling more harm than good. Give up already.

EDIT: Ullrich has publicly admitted to doping. Here's a reddit comment that shows that most of the 2nd and 3rd place riders in Lance's Tour wins were also doping or suspected of doping:

Fine, take away his titles. Let's go ahead and give them to the runners-up.

1999: Alex Zuelle (involved in the Festina affair)
2000: Ullrich (has now admitted to doping)
2001: Ullrich
2002: Beloki (rode for Once which had a teamwide doping program)
2003: Ullrich
2004: Andreas Kloden (Freiburg scandal)
2005: Ivan Basso (Puerto and has since confessed)

Oh shit. Guess we have to go to the third-placed rider.

1999: Fernado Escartin (rode for Kelme which disbanded upon discovery of a teamwide program)
2000: Beloki
2001: Beloki
2002: Raimondas Rumsas (police found steroids, epo, and other stuff in his wife's car on the final day of the tour)
2003: Vino (busted later)
2004: Basso
2005: Ullrich oops he's been DQ'd for that. Francisco Mancebo (Puerto)

[Z3guy]

So everyone else in the top 10 were doping, but lance wasn't? Give me a break.....lance is a farce.......he's going down.......getting what he deserves....

[woob]

No. I'm not denying that he was doping. In fact I said the opposite.

However, since the rest of the field is also doping, IMO it doesn't matter.

[MK-EK]

i say let him keep his titles!

the man did it with 1 nut! :fullofwin:

http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-sports-pictures-lance-armstrong-one-ball1.jpg

[The_AK]

So why is only now that they're conducting these tests? Don't doping tests need to be completed after a race? Isn't it too late to test now? And why are they saying all seven? Can they tell when he started doping?

[G-spec]

did the timeline of his doping coincide with his cancer treatments ?

because I'm sure though illegal people would understand and be more sympathetic if he doped just to get back to normal because obviously cancer treatments weaken you, and the dude is a professional athlete, he needed to get back to his normal shape.

[Z3guy]

the only reason Lance hasn't been ousted yet because the money he has raised for cancer research and treatment. If he goes down, so does his ability to raise money for Cancer.

The fact he declares he never has taken performance enhancing is a joke. I would respect him more if the came clean and focused on ridding the sport PEDs. His righteous attitude is a joke when deep down he knows he is lying.....

[Pooface55]

So why is only now that they're conducting these tests? Don't doping tests need to be completed after a race? Isn't it too late to test now? And why are they saying all seven? Can they tell when he started doping?

Maybe the drugs he was using were undetectable at the time and now the drug testers have new methods?

Either way, 7 time champion by beating guys who have been doping. Obviously he was on something. :)

[mikemhg]

Who gives a shit? Jesus, it's mind blowing their is a government agency for this bullshit.

For fuck sakes they bring Baseball players all the way to the level of Congress over doping in the god damn stupid stick and ball game.

Meanwhile white collar criminals in the financial sector are left un-touched by Congress.

Fucked up priorities we have in this world, we're a strange ass species.

[spyker]

Who gives a shit? Jesus, it's mind blowing their is a government agency for this bullshit.

For fuck sakes they bring Baseball players all the way to the level of Congress over doping in the god damn stupid stick and ball game.

Meanwhile white collar criminals in the financial sector are left un-touched by Congress.

Fucked up priorities we have in this world, we're a strange ass species.
Congress are the white collar criminals,they would never investigate or prosecute themselves.

Using athletes on doping accusations is just a diversion to keep the heat away from what they are doing,it seems to work pretty well.

[StylinRed]

So why is only now that they're conducting these tests? Don't doping tests need to be completed after a race? Isn't it too late to test now? And why are they saying all seven? Can they tell when he started doping?

he's been given hundreds of drug tests and passed em all



anyway here's Lances statement regarding this

"I have been notified that USADA, an organization largely funded by taxpayer dollars but governed only by self-written rules, intends to again dredge up discredited allegations dating back more than 16 years to prevent me from competing as a triathlete and try and strip me of the seven Tour de France victories I earned.

"These are the very same charges and the same witnesses that the Justice Department chose not to pursue after a two-year investigation. These charges are baseless, motivated by spite and advanced through testimony bought and paid for by promises of anonymity and immunity.

"Although USADA alleges a wide-ranging conspiracy extended over more than 16 years, I am the only athlete it has chosen to charge. USADA's malice, its methods, its star-chamber practices, and its decision to punish first and adjudicate later all are at odds with our ideals of fairness and fair play.

"I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one.

"That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence."

Read more: Lance Armstrong's statement on new doping allegations (http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Lance+Armstrong+statement+doping+allegations/6777879/story.html#ixzz1xpFADqy4)

[mmmk]

the only reason Lance hasn't been ousted yet because the money he has raised for cancer research and treatment. If he goes down, so does his ability to raise money for Cancer.

The fact he declares he never has taken performance enhancing is a joke. I would respect him more if the came clean and focused on ridding the sport PEDs. His righteous attitude is a joke when deep down he knows he is lying.....

So...why are they having such a hard time proving it?
All these allegations, all these drug tests don't mean anything until they can prove something.

[SkinnyPupp]

Who gives a shit? Jesus, it's mind blowing their is a government agency for this bullshit.

For fuck sakes they bring Baseball players all the way to the level of Congress over doping in the god damn stupid stick and ball game.

Meanwhile white collar criminals in the financial sector are left un-touched by Congress.

Fucked up priorities we have in this world, we're a strange ass species.
I came in here to say exactly the same thing. How much time and money have they spent on this? :fulloffuck:

[Great68]

Fucked up priorities they have in the USA, they're a strange ass country.

Fixed.

[hal0g0dv2]

bump

USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles - Yahoo! Sports Canada (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-faces-big-decision-165515351--spt.html)

[StylinRed]

bump

USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles - Yahoo! Sports Canada (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-faces-big-decision-165515351--spt.html)


interesting

Still to be heard from was the sport's governing body, the International Cycling Union, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority and in theory could take the case before the international Court of Arbitration for Sport.

[optiblue]

interesting~ makes you wonder how many other athletes are using currently undetectable substances!

[G-spec]

wait, like he said he passed his tests and was clean and the doping agencies have no proof to the contrary, so how the fuck does it work out that they can just strip him off his titles JUST because he quit the lawsuit against these assholes.....

damn that's some shit right there, lulz quote of the day

"USADA reacted quickly and treated Armstrong's decision as an admission of guilt"

[LiquidTurbo]

bump

USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles - Yahoo! Sports Canada (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-faces-big-decision-165515351--spt.html)

Shit. I'm all about innocent till proven guilty (ie. Li Shiwen), but man, if found guilty, it's time to get crucified.

What a guy.

Edit: There is no solid evidence.

[GLOW]

USADA :failed:

[iwantaskyline]

i say let him keep his titles!

the man did it with 1 nut! :fullofwin:

http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-sports-pictures-lance-armstrong-one-ball1.jpg

Gave him the advantage of having less discomfort sitting on a bike for hours :fullofwin:

On a more serious note, he was a cheating fuck and only stupid/gullible idiots still believe in him. Great guy in terms of his charity and foundation though.


Still to be heard from was the sport's governing body, the International Cycling Union, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority and in theory could take the case before the international Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Well no fucking shit they would back the guy who made their sport "known". I'm using "known" instead of "relevant" because cycling as a sport is not relevant.

In all, USADA said up to 10 former Armstrong teammates were set to testify against him. Included in the case were emails sent by Floyd Landis, who was stripped of the 2006 Tour de France title for doping, describing an elaborate doping program on Armstrong's Postal Service teams, and Tyler Hamilton's interview with "60 Minutes" claiming had personal knowledge of Armstrong doping.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2005-08-24-armstrong-samples-details_x.htm **Article regarding 1999 positive EPO samples from Armstrong.

[AzNightmare]

I never knew there was so much hate on Lance Armstrong.
But then again, I never cared much about professional cycling either.

[UFO]

Lots of people are saying that the world is out to get Lance. Former competitors and teammates who have been busted and trying to defame Lance due to jealousy, I can see that possibly. I don't know what gains or agenda the USada has to try and prove to the world that Lance was doping though, so I'm not convinced about this one-sided witch hunt.

He destroyed his competition who were then later found to be doping. His own teammates, whose sole jobs were to help Lance win his Tours, have stepped up to testify against him. Everything, except for the blood and urine tests, points to the overwhelmingly obvious.

Lance did the smart thing by stepping away from the investigation, even at the risk of losing some of his credibility and all of his accomplishments he can still say although deemed guilty he hasn't actually been proven guilty. I feel that the arbitration that was to happen would have revealed some very telling testimonies and likely new hard evidence which could have definitively destroyed all of his credibility and integrity--this will now never be known.

Innocent or guilty, you can't deny his efforts or contributions to cancer research with his foundation.

[quasi]

I never knew there was so much hate on Lance Armstrong.
But then again, I never cared much about professional cycling either.

You're not alone, I'll go on a limb here and say the majority of the people at least in North America don't either.

[b0unce. [?]]

douches will still buy his bracelets!

[MR_BIGGS]

Lance did the smart thing by stepping away from the investigation, even at the risk of losing some of his credibility and all of his accomplishments he can still say although deemed guilty he hasn't actually been proven guilty. I feel that the arbitration that was to happen would have revealed some very telling testimonies and likely new hard evidence which could have definitively destroyed all of his credibility and integrity--this will now never be known.

Innocent or guilty, you can't deny his efforts or contributions to cancer research with his foundation.

+1. By not going to arbitration, it's seen as an admission of guilt. That might be easier to deal with than actually going to arbitration where some telling evidence may have been brought forward. Then again, his former team director Johan Bruyneel may choose to go through his own arbitration case with the USADA, bringing more information out.

[falcon]

What gives the USADA the power/authority to "strip" him of his titles? Wouldn't that be under the jurisdiction of some sort of Cycling Federation? Kinda silly if you ask me...

[StylinRed]

What gives the USADA the power/authority to "strip" him of his titles? Wouldn't that be under the jurisdiction of some sort of Cycling Federation? Kinda silly if you ask me...

the cycling federation or whatever its called is/was standing behind Armstrong (they were part of the case against the USADA)

Still to be heard from was the sport's governing body, the International Cycling Union, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority and in theory could take the case before the international Court of Arbitration for Sport.

but USADA said the ICU had to strip Lance of his titles if USADA says so


With Lance backing away though its been nothing but haters and the headline hungry media ripping him apart which is ridiculous imo since there hasn't been anything brought out that says he is a cheat except rivals accusations

[falcon]

So because one agency which is part of a world wide anti doping "code" which they all signed says he did it without hard evidence, means another agency half way around the world HAS to agree? Where does this make sense? Lol...

[Z3guy]

So the guy who stands for never give up (cancer survivor) is giving up this fight? This is the best case scenario for him.........it is a matter of time until Nike and bud drop him.....I have a feeling, this is just the beginning of the story

[falcon]

I don't.

I think he is tired of being in the spotlight and wants to focus on other things rather than continue to defend himself in this witch hunt.

[Spoon]

Lawyer fees will likely bankrupt him in the long run if he keeps fighting it in the courts.

[Z3guy]

I can't believe people still think he is innocent........so if I survive cancer and raise money for cancer survivors....this negates my cheating? The evidence against him is overwhelming...yes, he has tested postive for drugs.

[Alatar]

From Wiki:

Erythropoietin is available as a therapeutic agent produced by recombinant DNA technology in mammalian cell culture. It is used in treating anemia resulting from chronic kidney disease and myelodysplasia, from the treatment of cancer (chemotherapy and radiation). Current research suggests that aminoacid R103 to E mutation in erythropoietin makes it neuroprotective and non-erythropoietic.

and

On October 2, 1996, then aged 25, Armstrong was diagnosed as having developed stage three testicular cancer (Embryonal carcinoma).[18] The cancer spread to his lungs, abdomen and brain.

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Neither defending nor attacking Lance Armstrong, but even if there were trace amounts found, the guy was a cancer patient/survivor. "Trace" amounts after he had these treatments is a definite possibility. Unless I see some actual evidence and not just "hearsay", to me, it's treating him as guilty until proven innocent. By an organization started in 2000, no less.

[iwantaskyline]

So because one agency which is part of a world wide anti doping "code" which they all signed says he did it without hard evidence, means another agency half way around the world HAS to agree? Where does this make sense? Lol...

Sorry but there are tons of evidence. Two samples from 1999 found to be positive to EPO doping. Almost every single one of his past teammates willing to testify he is a cheater, before you say they are lying, what fucking gain could they all get from Lance being proven guilty? He worked with a known cyclist trainer who is known for helping his clients dope. I could go on.

[StylinRed]

I can't believe people still think he is innocent........so if I survive cancer and raise money for cancer survivors....this negates my cheating? The evidence against him is overwhelming...yes, he has tested postive for drugs.

no he hasn't.


http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/article/20120825/SPORTS/208250322/Despite-never-testing-positive-doping-products-Lance-Armstrong-stripped-Tour-de-France-titles?nclick_check=1

all they've got is supposed witness accounts from rival cyclists who wont be tried/tested if they accuse Lance

excerpt

Despite never testing positive for doping products, Lance Armstrong stripped of Tour de France titles

...

USADA said the doping evidence against Armstrong came from statements by more than a dozen witnesses.

The anti-doping agency accused Armstrong of using EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, cortisone and HGH during his career, and that "scientific data" showed he manipulated his blood with EPO or blood transfusions during his comeback to cycling in the 2009 Tour.

It also said that witnesses alleged that Armstrong "encouraged them to use and administered doping products or methods, including EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and cortisone during the period from 1999 through 2005."

On Thursday, Armstrong said his decision did not mean he would accept USADA's sanctions. His lawyers threatened a lawsuit if USADA proceeded, arguing the agency must first resolve a dispute with the International Cycling Union over whether the case should be pursued.

"You are on notice," Armstrong attorney Tim Herman said in a letter, "that if USADA makes any public statement claiming, without jurisdiction, to sanction Mr. Armstrong, or to falsely characterize Mr. Armstrong's reasons for not requesting an arbitration as anything other than a recognition of (International Cycling Union) jurisdiction and authority, USADA and anyone involved in the making of the statement will be liable."

That didn't stop USADA, which quickly imposed the ban about 14 hours alter.

The Amaury Sport Organization, which runs the Tour, told The Associated Press it would not comment until it had heard more from the International Cycling Union and USADA.

In walking away, the 40-year-old Armstrong cited a familiar defense: he never has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs.

...






Almost every single one of his past teammates willing to testify he is a cheater, before you say they are lying, what fucking gain could they all get from Lance being proven guilty? they won't be part of a witch hunt supposedly by USADA


I could go on.

please do

[Z3guy]

^ dude, I love your rose coloured glasses, do you have an extra pair for me?

[iwantaskyline]

no he hasn't.


http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/article/20120825/SPORTS/208250322/Despite-never-testing-positive-doping-products-Lance-Armstrong-stripped-Tour-de-France-titles?nclick_check=1

all they've got is supposed witness accounts from rival cyclists who wont be tried/tested if they accuse Lance

excerpt






they won't be part of a witch hunt supposedly by USADA



please do

USATODAY.com - Story: Armstrong had six positives from 1999 tests (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2005-08-24-armstrong-samples-details_x.htm)

Read that entire article.

Why the fuck do you think a guy who's always gone about a "never give up" attitude when it comes to his cancer fight and his tour de france wins all of a sudden gives up and accepts USADA's decision?

Because he KNOWS he will lose due to the amount of evidence. This is the only way for him to save any image he has left because it will make ignorant/gullible/stupid people like you BELIEVE in him.

Before any of you say he doesn't want to spend any more lawyer fees on this fight with USADA, this is a guy with a estimated net worth of $125 million dollars so yes..I don't think that's the issue here.

He's guilty and this is the only way for him to save any sort of image.

[StylinRed]

an accusation from a French newspaper saying that unnamed test results from '99, that were positive, are from Armstrong... although its not proven to be linked to him the "link" is simply based on this French newspapers "investigation" or accusation; whom, as stated in the USAToday story, have been after Armstrong ever since his win...


:seriously: you guys...


for a group of guys that find conspiracy theories equivalent to a looney toons cartoon you sure are jumping on accusations as if they were facts... (makes me wonder why anyone gives charlesincharge a hard time)

[iwantaskyline]

an accusation from a French newspaper saying that unnamed test results from '99, that were positive, are from Armstrong... although its not proven to be linked to him the "link" is simply based on this French newspapers "investigation" or accusation; whom, as stated in the USAToday story, have been after Armstrong ever since his win...


:seriously: you guys...


for a group of guys that find conspiracy theories equivalent to a looney toons cartoon you sure are jumping on accusations as if they were facts... (makes me wonder why anyone gives charlesincharge a hard time)


I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.". BTW this a leading sports newspaper in France, so its not some tabloid shit.

Give me a good explanation why he accepted USADA's decision. Don't say stupid shit like "he's tired" or its due to financial reasons.

[StylinRed]

I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.".

ROFL EXACTLY Its THEIR Accusation and claims that that's what they found out... they Claim they were able to match the sample ID #s


lol jesus

you and charles in charge should get together

[Lomac]

I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.". BTW this a leading sports newspaper in France, so its not some tabloid shit.

Give me a good explanation why he accepted USADA's decision. Don't say stupid shit like "he's tired" or its due to financial reasons.

From your own article:

Based on the information published byL'Equipe, it is unlikely a legal result of positive can be determined for the 1999 urine samples from Armstrong. When blood and urine samples are processed for testing, the fluids are separated into two batches: A and B. The standard method for verifying a positive doping result requires that the A sample be tested first; if that is positive, the B sample then is tested. Positives cannot be declared unless both A and B samples are positive.

All of the 1999 Tour A samples were used up in that year's testing. Some remnants of the B samples are available, according to L'Equipe, but two B's are not legally the same as the required A and separate B samples.

False positives occur all the time in testing, which is why they submitted two different samples (A & B). Armstrong can not be legally prosecuted using this test as all the samples from A are gone.

He also hasn't "accepted" the USDA's decision. Just because you don't fight something doesn't mean you accept fault for it. As for why he's not fighting it, it could be something as simple as the emotional drain it's taking. I sure as hell wouldn't want to keep fighting accusation after accusation, especially when they're decades old. Personally I'd say "fuck it," and live my life accordingly. Sure, the USDA would strip the titles but I would still know that I won them legally... and fuck those who would think otherwise.

[quasi]

Call me a pessimist but I find it really hard to believe most everybody else near the top was doping but he was doing it all natural and beat them all consistently. That said I would probably say fuck fighting it to since the whole thing was a lifetime ago, he made his money time to move on. Stripping the titles at this point really doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of life.

[UFO]

For anyone that cares, Nike, Anhauer-Busch (Budweiser), and Trek (Armstrong's bike sponsor) have dropped their sponsorship.

[Gridlock]

Sounds like we should be giving him more medals, not taking them away. First he beat your stupid bike race(7 times) and then beat your drug tests too!

[dvst8]

Nike believes that cheating on wife is ok, cheating on your sport is not ok

[Noir]

Nike believes that cheating on wife is ok, cheating on your sport is not ok

I'm okay with this.


Cheating on your wife has nothing to do with how you earned your sponsorship. Cheating your way to the top of your professional field does.

Understandably, Nike wants to endorse athletes where it can look like as if it is "they" or "their" products that assisted them to the top of the profession; not banned substances.

[Everymans]

listening to cbc radio 1 the other day and they were discussing this. It's incredible how it's splitting the fans. Some think it doesn't matter if he was doping or not, he did amazing things with his stardom and he did it with cancer. Others believe that it's morally incorrect because he only won because of the drugs. I've never much cared for professional cycling, now I doubt I ever will. I'll stick to a clean sport like hockey, clean in the sense that nobodies injecting themselves with shit just to win. Honestly besides hockey I can't think of any other major sports that don't have a doping issue. Well maybe golf and racing if you consider it a sport.

[spyker]

^ How do you know that hockey is a clean sport? Some pro hockey players may be clean now,but who knows how long they have been banging the juice before they turned pro.

I can name one former Vancouver canuck that was on juice during the time he played for us.

[UFO]

I'll stick to a clean sport like hockey, clean in the sense that nobodies injecting themselves with shit just to win. Honestly besides hockey I can't think of any other major sports that don't have a doping issue.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe hockey is a 'clean' sport. AFAIK there isn't a clear anti-doping testing protocol with the NHL, so maybe ignorance is bliss, for now anyways.

[dlo]

Not every sport will have people juicing, but there are performance enhancing drugs... No sport is clean lol, there are players who are clean their whole career and there are some who cheat. Simple as that
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[Ludepower]

IMO, all athletes cheat...just dont get caught and prepare for the backlash when you do.
I say Lance deserves the fallout of being exposed as a cheat. good riddance.

[skiiipi]

so what if he was doping......who cares....Livestrong isnt about cycling...or about tour de france.....its about a guy who beat cancer, achieved something amazing, and started a charity to raise awareness and funding for cancer research.
and besides....even if lance was doping...so was everyone else....so if he was doping, along with every one else..they are still on even playing grounds...and he still won......

[skiiipi]

"Due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him. Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner," this is also a pretty harsh statement by NIKE...considering how many MILLIONS of $$$ they made off of the Livestrong Brand Name......

[SkinnyPupp]

Nike better stop sponsoring every single athlete

[Z3guy]

so what if he was doping......who cares....Livestrong isnt about cycling...or about tour de france.....its about a guy who beat cancer, achieved something amazing, and started a charity to raise awareness and funding for cancer research.
and besides....even if lance was doping...so was everyone else....so if he was doping, along with every one else..they are still on even playing grounds...and he still won......

You are right, everyone was doping, including lance.....however, he still beat them. The issue is not with doping, it is about lance lying about it and attacking and intimidating anyone that spoke agaisnt him.

Lance has done allot for cancer research, but the whole premise what he stands for is a shame

[Z3guy]

"Due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him. Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner," this is also a pretty harsh statement by NIKE...considering how many MILLIONS of $$$ they made off of the Livestrong Brand Name......

It just shows you nike's true colours....it is all about making money. Nike was misled? Give me a break, they just looked the other way.

[wasabisashimi]

Livestrong products on sale?

[heleu]

Lance Armstrong stripped of seven Tour de France titles: He (http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1275199--lance-armstrong-cycling-governing-body-to-announce-lance-armstrong-decision)

It's official, he's been stripped of all 7 Tour De France titles.

[RRxtar]

They can strip all they want. I think a good majority of people still see him as the best cyclist ever regardless of the doping issue. A lot of people understand that "he won while doping, but most of the people he beat were doping as well" and lets be honest, he won it 7 times. Doping or not that is still remarkable. I think this whole thing has done more damage to cycling itself than it has to Lance.

[Great68]

I think this whole thing has done more damage to cycling itself than it has to Lance.

This.

Speaking as someone who really doesn't follow the sport of cycling, this whole debacle has really made me think the sport itself as a giant sham.

Probably would have been better if they swept it all under a rug.

[Great68]

Holy shit, the way iwantafuckface is dishing out the fails you'd think Lance Armstrong fucked his sister.

[iwantaskyline]

They can strip all they want. I think a good majority of people still see him as the best cyclist ever regardless of the doping issue. A lot of people understand that "he won while doping, but most of the people he beat were doping as well" and lets be honest, he won it 7 times. Doping or not that is still remarkable. I think this whole thing has done more damage to cycling itself than it has to Lance.

I don't even know another professional cyclist besides Lance Armstrong so I'm pretty sure most people don't as well so the fact that they'll still think he was the best is irrelevant.

It has hurt Armstrong as much as it has hurt cycling. Why? He was cycling...

Cheaters need to be caught and face punishment, the argument that it is okay to cheat because "most" are is absolutely flawed. The only way his doping can be justified is if he can prove every cyclist in those 7 Tour De France's did some kind of performance enhancing drug. That of course is not possible because although you can assume most did I'm sure there were those who did not cheat.

This is only the beginning of Armstrong's fall..he's going to be facing perjury charges.

[Noir]

They can strip all they want. I think a good majority of people still see him as the best cyclist ever regardless of the doping issue. A lot of people understand that "he won while doping, but most of the people he beat were doping as well" and lets be honest, he won it 7 times. Doping or not that is still remarkable. I think this whole thing has done more damage to cycling itself than it has to Lance.

Doesn't matter. Still not fair for the cyclists who abided by the rules in good faith.

Just because a good portion of cyclists, most notably Lance's competitors in the top 10 are using doesn't mean suddenly its an equal playing field; nor it is suddenly acceptable; nor does it negate his error into "no big deal" territory.

[Phozy]

Like rrxtar mentioned, they can strip all they want: the majority of his competitors probably doped too, Lance is just the one who got caught.

It's not about the doping, but rather him lying and what he stood for was all a lie.

Still, 7 times? Doping or not, he beat all the rest of them at it.

[dlo]

Stood for? He stood for cancer research and all that stuff. Sucks that he got the finger was laid on him and he's taking all the heat... If he didn't do it for any charitable cause and was caught doping ill throw the book at him, but he did this for a charitable cause even though he was wrong.
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[RRxtar]

pretty neat little chart here

Top Finishers of Tour de France Tainted by Doping - Graphic - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/sports/top-finishers-of-the-tour-de-france-tainted-by-doping.html)

look at 2003 and 2005. if you stripped the results of everyone that so far have been caught doping, the guys who came 10th would end up with a medal.

in the 7 years that armstrong won the TDF, 50% of the top 10 finishers have so far been caught doping. if/when just a couple more riders get caught, you can bet that percentage could reach 70% or more.

[Noir]

Like rrxtar mentioned, they can strip all they want: the majority of his competitors probably doped too, Lance is just the one who got caught.

It's not about the doping, but rather him lying and what he stood for was all a lie.

Still, 7 times? Doping or not, he beat all the rest of them at it.

He's not the only one who got caught. Refer to RRxtar's resources; Numerous competitors in the top 10 has also been caught.

The difference between Lance and the others who got caught were... he had the most to lose. That's why you see a bigger splash when it comes to L. Armstrong's public ousting.

[RRxtar]

By no means am I saying doping is acceptable. But making this big case about it and publicly stripping him of his wins is like a public scape goating. Just put an asterisk beside his name in the history books and call that decade the 'doping decade' and move on trying to clean up your sport, not condemn the guy who arguably made your sport interesting to people who otherwise dont care

[Noir]

By no means am I saying doping is acceptable. But making this big case about it and publicly stripping him of his wins is like a public scape goating. Just put an asterisk beside his name in the history books and call that decade the 'doping decade' and move on trying to clean up your sport, not condemn the guy who arguably made your sport interesting to people who otherwise dont care

An asterisk is not enough.

You can't for one moment acknowledge the achievements through cheating. It doesn't matter if others are cheating; it doesn't matter if everyone is doing it too. You're the one who got caught; most likely because you're the guy who has the most attention.

The Lance Armstrong case is as simple as that, to me at least.

[RacePace]

Dear John Witherspoon: "Steroids" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LgopPV3a8wM#t=8s)

[UFO]

this whole debacle has really made me think the sport itself as a giant sham.

Probably would have been better if they swept it all under a rug.

This to me is a bit of a damage control move from the sport trying to rebuild its reputation from the days when entire teams would be thrown out of the Tour, most of the contenders were dq'd during the Tour, for doping. The UCI is sending the message to the public and to racers that if they are willing to throw the book at Lance, arguably the biggest name in cycling over the past 25 years, they are willing to hold everybody else accountable. We'll see if they follow through on this.

Like rrxtar mentioned, they can strip all they want: the majority of his competitors probably doped too, Lance is just the one who got caught.

Ironically Lance is actually the one who avoided getting caught all these years. And to this day there is still not a 100% confirmed positive test that he was doping.

Stood for? He stood for cancer research and all that stuff. Sucks that he got the finger was laid on him and he's taking all the heat... If he didn't do it for any charitable cause and was caught doping ill throw the book at him, but he did this for a charitable cause even though he was wrong.
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Just because he founded a charity, doesn't mean he won the Tours for a charitable cause. He wasn't thinking "I have to resort to doping so I can win these races for a charitable cause". Let's not kid ourselves, if Lance didn't win his 7 Tours, he wouldn't be enjoying the fame and success that he has. Yes he beat cancer, but if he was just some middle of the pack rider after beating cancer, it would make a nice story but he would largely be forgotten.

Many are willing to cut him some slack because of the good he has done as a result of his success. At this point he's gone too far to publicly admit that he lied and doped. If he had done so earlier, he would have faced his punishment and most would have forgiven him by now. IMO you absolutely must separate Lance the doping cyclist and Lance the charitable philanthropist.

[etodac]

I'm quite surprised that he was undiscovered throughout his 7 year reign. I'm pretty oblivious to his trial and doping charges, but the fact that he wasn't called on it, or was successfully charged, with doping during those years doesn't sit right to me. I don't know. Either he really is innocent or the investigators are crap?

[StylinRed]

I'm quite surprised that he was undiscovered throughout his 7 year reign. I'm pretty oblivious to his trial and doping charges, but the fact that he wasn't called on it, or was successfully charged, with doping during those years doesn't sit right to me. I don't know. Either he really is innocent or the investigators are crap?

well there are the hundreds of tests he's passed and the trials against him that he's won.....

this time he's just stopped fighting back

[RRxtar]

that's the other thing too. he has never actually failed a drug test ( there are rumors of one or 2 that were covered up and some funny business with a test in 99 tho). this whole thing is completely based on circumstantial evidence. overwhelming evidence or not, there has been no documented failed test.

[iwantaskyline]

that's the other thing too. he has never actually failed a drug test ( there are rumors of one or 2 that were covered up and some funny business with a test in 99 tho). this whole thing is completely based on circumstantial evidence. overwhelming evidence or not, there has been no documented failed test.

Person A kills person B in a room with 10 random people who witnessed the murder and clearly identified who person A is. He escapes but it is later caught, lets just say there is no physical evidence at the crime scene that proves he committed the crime except the 10 witnesses. Is he innocent because theres no physical evidence?

Numerous witnesses testifying Lance Armstrong cheated...His Discovery team and Radio Shack teams both testified.

Witnesses provide testimonial evidence. You don't need physical/documented evidence to prove someone is guilty.

[Redlines_Daily]

^what if Person A has 10 other people who say he was with them at the time of the crime? What if 10 other people also witnessed the murder and clearly identified Person C as the killer?

[StylinRed]

Person A kills person B in a room with 10 random people who witnessed the murder and clearly identified who person A is. He escapes but it is later caught, lets just say there is no physical evidence at the crime scene that proves he committed the crime except the 10 witnesses. Is he innocent because theres no physical evidence?

Numerous witnesses testifying Lance Armstrong cheated...His Discovery team and Radio Shack teams both testified.

Witnesses provide testimonial evidence. You don't need physical/documented evidence to prove someone is guilty.

^^^ not exactly accurate to the case at hand

you'd have to add that there was blood on the scene from the murderer and it doesn't match the suspects blood

there's the fact that the suspect has been tried in court for the murder and he's won the cases multiple times

there's the fact that the eyewitness testimony is called into question due to credibility and witness motives (they're testifying exempts them from prosecution)

etc etc etc

hard evidence vs hearsay

unless the suspect is Black and being tried in the USA he'll more than likely be found not guilty ;)

[RRxtar]

Person A kills person B in a room with 10 random people who witnessed the murder and clearly identified who person A is. He escapes but it is later caught, lets just say there is no physical evidence at the crime scene that proves he committed the crime except the 10 witnesses. Is he innocent because theres no physical evidence?

Numerous witnesses testifying Lance Armstrong cheated...His Discovery team and Radio Shack teams both testified.

Witnesses provide testimonial evidence. You don't need physical/documented evidence to prove someone is guilty.
blood/urine tests are YES or NO. your blood cant lie and say no but be proven to be yes via witness accounts. its yes or no.

murder cases generally don't have a test as simply accurate as yes or no.




its like if someone is driving down the road and is pulled over and given a breathalizer and blows a 0.00 and then is hauled to the station and blows a 0.00 again. even if the person in the passenger seat swears the driver drank 24 beer an hour earlier, and there is a receipt in the guys pocket for 24 beer, he still blew a 0.00 and therefore is not intoxicated. you can't give that guy a DUI just to prove a point.

[UFO]

There's a strong belief that whatever Lance was on was untraceable at the time of testing, that he was able to stay a couple of steps up on the testing procedure. It's not like he was only on 1 PED his whole career. Once they get close to being able to test for whatever he's on, he'll be on something new and another couple of years away from being detectable. If they don't know what they are testing/looking for, how can there be a 'positive' test?

So this is where the rest of the testimonial evidence comes in, the fact that the doctor he was working with was renowned for doping, etc etc.

[wasabisashimi]

Lance Armstrong stripped of seven Tour de France titles: He (http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1275199--lance-armstrong-cycling-governing-body-to-announce-lance-armstrong-decision)

It's official, he's been stripped of all 7 Tour De France titles.

So who wins the 7 tittles then?.. If the next runner up is also doping, and the next 80 riders are also doping. ........

[freakshow]

So who wins the 7 tittles then?.. If the next runner up is also doping, and the next 80 riders are also doping. ........

No one gets to inherit the titles, they just remain as years with no winners.

[Ludepower]

that's the other thing too. he has never actually failed a drug test ( there are rumors of one or 2 that were covered up and some funny business with a test in 99 tho). this whole thing is completely based on circumstantial evidence. overwhelming evidence or not, there has been no documented failed test.

if it walks like a duck, quackes like a duck, it's a duck...

Lance has given up the chance to defend himself...so Im wondering why u guys are doing it for him?

[StylinRed]

if it walks like a duck, quackes like a duck, it's a duck...


except it doesn't a handful of people are saying it looks like a duck you could easily describe those people as schizophrenic as they're seeing something that isn't there or hallucinating because based on dna testing its not a duck ;)

[iwantaskyline]

blood/urine tests are YES or NO. your blood cant lie and say no but be proven to be yes via witness accounts. its yes or no.

murder cases generally don't have a test as simply accurate as yes or no.




its like if someone is driving down the road and is pulled over and given a breathalizer and blows a 0.00 and then is hauled to the station and blows a 0.00 again. even if the person in the passenger seat swears the driver drank 24 beer an hour earlier, and there is a receipt in the guys pocket for 24 beer, he still blew a 0.00 and therefore is not intoxicated. you can't give that guy a DUI just to prove a point.

If you relate your case to Lance Armstrong's, the person in your case has found a way to beat the breathalyzer just like how Armstrong found a way to beat getting caught by blood doping tests.

There are many ways to not get caught blood doping and one is via autologous tranfusions (ie. a procedure in which blood is removed from a donor and stored for a variable period before it is returned to the donor's circulation).

The point is Armstrong beat the tests but there is simply too much testimonial evidence from too many people. The fact that he gave up defending himself just solidifies USADA's case even more.

Eleven of his former teammates testified. A continued relationship with a doctor known for helping athletes cheat (Michele Ferrari). USADA has financial records of Armstrong paying that doctor, what else could he be paying him for?

[GLOW]

The fact that he gave up defending himself just solidifies USADA's case even more.


really? he should stand there and take another 10 years of their shit?

if i was him and lets say i was actually innocent (i'm not saying he is or isn't), i'd probably hold up 2 middle fingers and tell them to fuck themselves too.

seems like the USADA already made up their minds...it wasn't a matter of him being guilty or not, it was a matter of trying to force him to fess up to it. the whole situation is just a big pile of poo.

i'm not sure which i'm more sick of hearing these days, the BS from cycling or the BS from boxing.

[Great68]

really? he should stand there and take another 10 years of their shit?



I can't imagine that would be cheap. He could spend his life savings in legal fees to prove his innocence, is it worth it? "Congratulations! You cleared your name, now file for bankruptcy!"

[GLOW]

I can't imagine that would be cheap. He could spend his life savings in legal fees to prove his innocence, is it worth it? "Congratulations! You cleared your name, now file for bankruptcy!"

http://t.qkme.me/3q2cos.jpg

he's gotta pay legal fees during this entire circus act?

in that case not only would i stop fighting it if i was him, i'd tell them to go suck on whichever nut he has left too

[iwantaskyline]

really? he should stand there and take another 10 years of their shit?

if i was him and lets say i was actually innocent (i'm not saying he is or isn't), i'd probably hold up 2 middle fingers and tell them to fuck themselves too.

seems like the USADA already made up their minds...it wasn't a matter of him being guilty or not, it was a matter of trying to force him to fess up to it. the whole situation is just a big pile of poo.

i'm not sure which i'm more sick of hearing these days, the BS from cycling or the BS from boxing.

Okay, explain to me the 11 testimonies from his former teammates? His relationship with a doctor known for assisting athletes in doping? Why risk that? He lost a nut not a brain.

I'll respond to what you're saying though. From all accounts of Lance Armstrong he's a very competitive athlete who does not give up. Who does whatever it takes to win. Why give up if he's innocent? His net worth is estimated at $125 million, I really don't think money is the issue. If it was the issue, I think losing his endorsements with Nike and whoever else is the same if not more then what his lawyer fees would be.

[Noir]

I can't imagine that would be cheap. He could spend his life savings in legal fees to prove his innocence, is it worth it? "Congratulations! You cleared your name, now file for bankruptcy!"

sure, rationalize it that way.

If he really wasn't guilty; I'm sure retaining all his titles, contracts, organizations and sports endorsements wouldn't have yielded a better return than just surrendering them all in lieu of lesser legal expenses.

On another note: Although I'm already far skeptical with today's charitable organizations, if he really did believe in himself; and/or if he really did believe in his charity, I'm sure he would've fought "false allegations" all the way in the name cancer research; not just as Lance "the 7 time TDF winner"


The guy is beat; and he folded. And it's not like it's just the USADA is out for a witch hunt. It's his own team/teammates that are calling him out too.




Let's put it this way. If I had the chance to cheat on my doctorate or bar exam for a chance at a luxurious life; would my being charitable somehow justify cheating my way to success?

Or is the sympathy for Lance purely just for the lore of a man who beat cancer and won tournaments thereafter?

[RRxtar]

I have no emotional attachment to Armstrong, cycling, doping, his charities, or cancer. Im simply offering an other side of the coin perspective.

Hell, Im as certain he cheated as you guys saying he did are. But like you, I don't have any solid proof he did.


As for him 'giving up his fight' its like if you're getting bullied and told you're gay every day for 13 years and every day you say "no Im not" After a while you just get tired of defending yourself and find new people to hang out with or make a youtube video or whatever.

[Noir]

As for him 'giving up his fight' its like if you're getting bullied and told you're gay every day for 13 years and every day you say "no Im not" After a while you just get tired of defending yourself and find new people to hang out with or make a youtube video or whatever.
(I'm gonna thank your post because I completely understand your argument; and will just retort in as objective a manner as possible)


I don't buy it. At least my common sense and deductive reasoning won't allow me to.


Firstly, this guy made a name for himself by remaining strong in the face of adversity. He was "supposedly" an inspiration because he was strong enough not just to beat cancer but to be a world class elite athlete in addition.

However, (if he really is legit) facing false accusations and public rumors, he conveniently doesn't have the strength to fight that?




Secondly, this isn't just like your "bullying" example where surrendering means that all you have to endure is "a label" like being gay. In Lance's context, surrendering also means he's giving up what he stood for; what he was inspiring people to be. If he really is legit, his decision is then a discredit to the "Live Strong" movement/philosophy/organization.

[UFO]

If Armstrong really had a case for himself, the UCI would have backed him up in that fight as well, and I presume would have taken care of a good portion of his legal fees.

[ts14]

daaaamn, all that time wasted when the "true" winner for all those races should've gotten the credit instead of this guy :facepalm:

on the side note,

NEW KATT WILLIAMS: "Steroids Make Your D*ck Little" - YouTube

[GLOW]

I have no emotional attachment to Armstrong, cycling, doping, his charities, or cancer. Im simply offering an other side of the coin perspective.

Hell, Im as certain he cheated as you guys saying he did are. But like you, I don't have any solid proof he did.


As for him 'giving up his fight' its like if you're getting bullied and told you're gay every day for 13 years and every day you say "no Im not" After a while you just get tired of defending yourself and find new people to hang out with or make a youtube video or whatever.

that summed it up pretty well

Okay, explain to me the 11 testimonies from his former teammates? His relationship with a doctor known for assisting athletes in doping? Why risk that? He lost a nut not a brain.

i can't explain anything, i can only make assumptions b/c i don't know these guys. even if you told me who they were, i'd have to wiki them to find out who they are...maybe that's part of it...lance is "the man" and they're joe blow...but that's not a defense and to me in this situation that's not enough for a decision, only enough to spark a proper investigation.

what i do know is that if i was in a sport and everyone around me fingered me for doping...i would pray to God that whatever athletic commission is responsible for governing the sport would conduct the standard medical tests and if i passed i would be innocent and "free". if i failed then punish me as per the regulations within the sport. i'm not saying the guy is innocent, Rrxtar pretty much summed up the situation on how i saw it.

someone posted earlier asking if this thing will go before the US legal system...a part of me kind of wants to see that happen so we can close the doors for good on this and go through the scientific evidence to get the official Yes or No and move on with it.

[jeffh]

so, if he was on testosterone replacement therapy (because he's missing his nut, less test being made blah blah blah

would that be ok? even tho its a banned substance? all he would be doing was bringing himself to level with a normal dudes test levels

[Redlines_Daily]

In most sports, hormone replacement therapy is allowed providing the athlete has a prescription. Funny thing, there seem to be a lot of MMA fighters in need of HRT *suspicious*. However, the athlete needs to test within normal testosterone levels in order to be allowed to compete.

[mikemhg]

Yawn

[Harvey Specter]

Pretty damn shameless...

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Xn3xPdTxfoqnP8k5.Pcmxw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusblogs1/c1111lance.jpg

Now THIS is a finely-honed troll move. Over the weekend, the above photo showed up in Lance Armstrong's Twitter feed, accompanied by the message "Back in Austin and just layin' around ... "

Armstrong is, of course, reclining oh-so-casually in front of the seven Tour de France jerseys he won. Those jerseys represent the seven Tour de France victories that the International Cycling Union stripped from him following the investigation and documentation of what the United States Anti-Doping Agency called "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen." Armstrong was also served with a lifetime ban from cycling events overseen by the USADA, and his 2000 Olympic bronze medal is now under investigation.

Now, obviously the UCI wasn't going to come into Armstrong's house and yank the jerseys off his walls. (The International Olympic Committee could be a different story. They have ordered disgraced medalists to surrender their medals in the past.) But even though Armstrong has removed the Tour de France victories from his Twitter profile, he's clearly not relinquishing the titles in the public eye.

Not exactly the most humble move, but then, not much that Armstrong does could ever be considered "humble." Clearly, there are more jabs yet to be thrown in this fight.

-Follow Jay Busbee on Twitter at @jaybusbee.-

[Photo via Mobli.]

[Noir]

... Clearly, there are more jabs yet to be thrown in this fight.

Tired to fight allegations my ass. :rolleyes:

[StylinRed]

Pretty damn shameless...

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Xn3xPdTxfoqnP8k5.Pcmxw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusblogs1/c1111lance.jpg



:lol awesome

[Manic!]

Anyone watch documentary The World According to Lance? They talk to a lot of his teammates and competitors. Some who claim they saw him use drugs. It's a good watch.

Here is the full video: http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows/The+Passionate+Eye/ID/2297761114/

[UFO]

Tired to fight allegations my ass. :rolleyes:

So tired he has to lie down and take a quick power nap

[cunninglinguist]

Bringing this back up.

LOS ANGELES -- Lance Armstrong has agreed to a tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey where he will address allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs during his cycling career.

The show will air at 9 p.m. EST on Jan. 17 on OWN and Oprah.com.

Lance Armstrong to address doping charges in Oprah interview | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/lance-armstrong-to-address-doping-charges-in-oprah-interview-1.1106254)

He might finally fess up.

[inv4zn]

:facepalm:

If YOU were Armstrong, what possible benefit AT ALL would you have admitting to doping on the Oprah show.

He's going to lay low and stfu for the rest of his life, probably much more well off than any of us lol

[Gridlock]

^^they said on the radio that admitting guilt might actually improve things for him.

[inv4zn]

Really? Did they explain how?

[Z3guy]

If he admitted to cheating 10yrs ago, I think most people would forgive him and focus on the positives he has done (Livestrong) with his life. At this stage, the only reason he would admit cheating is because he has absolutely no choice.

Hard to respect him after all the shit he put his accuser's through.....he is getting what he deserves.....he could have been Mark Mcgwire, but he is Barry Bond's now........

[Gridlock]

^^I think it had to do with actually being able to put it behind him. Being able to say, "yes, I did it" get your slap on the wrist, take your asterisk on the record and move forward. I wasn't listening overly closely, but the jist of it was that because it hasn't been dealt with, its still hanging over his head, so no one wants to touch him.

[MR_BIGGS]

Are their legal implications for him if he admits guilt on the show?

[iwantaskyline]

REPORT: ARMSTRONG TO ADMIT TO DOPING IN OPRAH INTERVIEW

Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong appears ready to admit to doping during his famed career.

According to USA Today, Armstrong will confess during his interview next week with Oprah Winfrey.

Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles in October.

More details to follow.

Report: Armstrong to admit to doping in Oprah interview (http://www.tsn.ca/cycling/story/?id=413353)

[Gridlock]

Are their legal implications for him if he admits guilt on the show?

They hauled baseball in front of a senate committee, so I'm assuming anything is possible.

[G-spec]

I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"


This is kinda like people who look at a gym rat and go, "Oh yea, well he's on 'roids that's why he's big" like really ? you think that's it, the guy just sticks a needle in his ass and it's what makes him who/what he is ?
it can't be the relentless hours in his environment, the dedication to his craft, the mental strength and fortitude right ?? oh no it can't be that...

[iwantaskyline]

I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"


This is kinda like people who look at a gym rat and go, "Oh yea, well he's on 'roids that's why he's big" like really ? you think that's it, the guy just sticks a needle in his ass and it's what makes him who/what he is ?
it can't be the relentless hours in his environment, the dedication to his craft, the mental strength and fortitude right ?? oh no it can't be that...

Unless he can prove every damn cyclist in his era doped just like him then no, he can't justify it whatsoever. I highly doubt each and every one of the Tour De France athletes doped anyway.

[falcon]

Then you must not know the sport of cycling very well. You know the Tour de Delta/White Rock/ Gas town? Nearly all (not saying every single person but a high majority) are on something, and that's pro/am stuff. Small time. Step up to the Tour and you can be sure they are on something..

[UFO]

I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"


I'm damn near 100% sure that's the real life scenario. If that was the story he told from the beginning, then he wouldn't be in the mess he's in today. Except he was adamant that he was 100% clean, as far as his testing could tell. When everybody called him out on it it goes beyond jealousy and haters--he had only 1 nut for crying out loud! But then he wouldn't have held 7 Tour titles until they were stripped away, wouldn't have reaped the endorsement money from his success, etc etc.

After he admits his guilt, he'll pay his dues, people will forget and forgive him.

[G-spec]

What you guys think he's gonna do on Oprah though ?

[beproud]

Sorry I haven't read the passed post, but in the end because of him, half a billion $ was put into cancer research eh. Priceless :p
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[shawnly1000]

Lance Armstrong admits doping in Oprah Winfrey interview, AP reports - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/lance-armstrong-admits-doping-in-oprah-winfrey-interview-ap-reports/2013/01/14/a635a424-5eaf-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html)

Wonder if he'll be subject to perjury charges :s ?

Saw this humorous Tweet

"United States of America rules: ok to lie under oath to Justice Department, but don't you dare sling that crap at Oprah"

[kayceeee]

another story

Source: Armstrong confesses to Oprah he used PEDs (http://www.tsn.ca/cycling/story/?id=413525)

SOURCE: ARMSTRONG CONFESSES TO OPRAH HE USED PEDS

[UFO]

I wonder what all the Lance fanboys are going to say now.

"He only cheated because everybody else did..."

That's what the whole world (except for Lance) has been saying all along, too bad it took him so long and so much drama and so much of his own money to come to that conclusion. Makes for a good story though

[7seven]

He isn't and won't be the last athlete to use PEDs, thats just the way it is, I think most people realize that. A lot of professional athletes use some form of PEDs, some are just smarter about cycling on and off them. For me, it's not really about Armstrong using PEDs, it's how he conducted himself when confronted about the use of PEDs, how he was so combative, arrogant and self righteous that makes him a tool.

Unlike ARod, Andy Pettitte, Shawn Merriman and others who just admitted it, people accepted it, moved on and they went on with their athletic careers, or even Bonds who just denied it and kept quite on it, Armstrong attacked people who in the end was just telling the truth. Armstrong sued and tried to bankrupt anyone who would bring his use of PEDs to light, leaving threatening voicemails to Betsy Andreau telling her "I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head", publicly attacking Emma O'Reilly making false accusations that she was a prostitute and alcoholic. There's a long line of individuals and media outlets that Armstrong spent years suing and attacking with strong arm tactics, it'll be interesting to see now how many of those will go back after Armstrong.

[Gridlock]

He isn't and won't be the last athlete to use PEDs, thats just the way it is, I think most people realize that. A lot of professional athletes use some form of PEDs, some are just smarter about cycling on and off them. For me, it's not really about Armstrong using PEDs, it's how he conducted himself when confronted about the use of PEDs, how he was so combative, arrogant and self righteous that makes him a tool.

Unlike ARod, Andy Pettitte, Shawn Merriman and others who just admitted it, people accepted it, moved on and they went on with their athletic careers, or even Bonds who just denied it and kept quite on it, Armstrong attacked people who in the end was just telling the truth. Armstrong sued and tried to bankrupt anyone who would bring his use of PEDs to light, leaving threatening voicemails to Betsy Andreau telling her "I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head", publicly attacking Emma O'Reilly making false accusations that she was a prostitute and alcoholic. There's a long line of individuals and media outlets that Armstrong spent years suing and attacking with strong arm tactics, it'll be interesting to see now how many of those will go back after Armstrong.

Bang on.

Just going to add, at the same time, talking about "living strong" and all this wonderful work he's doing.

Totally self-righteous.

[Gridlock]

http://i.imgur.com/XVmDD.jpg

via reddit

[dhari]

Lance Armstrong admits doping in Oprah Winfrey interview, AP reports - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/lance-armstrong-admits-doping-in-oprah-winfrey-interview-ap-reports/2013/01/14/a635a424-5eaf-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html)

Wonder if he'll be subject to perjury charges :s ?

Saw this humorous Tweet

"United States of America rules: ok to lie under oath to Justice Department, but don't you dare sling that crap at Oprah"

I don't think so because it was over 7 years ago?

[sonick]

FYI live stream of it at Oprah.com right now
Posted via RS Mobile

[iwantaskyline]

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk
Lance Armstrong tells Oprah he couldn’t have won 7 Tour de France titles without doping Lance Armstrong admits using performance-enhancing drugs - CNN.com (http://on.cnn.com/13K2H9O)

Well..its official.

[AutozamAZ-3]

FYI live stream of it at Oprah.com right now
Posted via RS Mobile

re-airing at 9pm on oprah.com for anyone interested

[StylinRed]

Oh well it was fun while it lasted

[shawnly1000]

Not sure if it's a case of too bad/pity but this news/confirmation will definitely tarnish/take away from how he fought/beat cancer. Don't get me wrong, I am just as against his doping as anybody else is; his biography is just so "conflicted" now - from great accomplishments to "frauds/deceptions"

[Sky_2000]

"The problem with Lance Armstrong isn't the doping or lying about doping. It's that he tried to destroy the lives of people who knew the truth in the effort to protect his clean image."

Lance Armstrong's doping admission: Questions Oprah should have asked - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html)

Mike Anderson - Friend, personal assistant, and mechanic

Mike Anderson on His Life as Lance Armstrong's Personal Assistant | Road Biking | OutsideOnline.com (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/road-biking/My-Life-With-Lance-Armstrong.html?page=all)

[LiquidTurbo]

How the hell does anyone believe what this guy says anymore.

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com (http://cnn.com/video/#/video/sports/2013/01/16/bts-lance-armstrong-doping-denials.cnn)

[Senna4ever]

My dream of equaling Lance Armstrong's number of Tour de France wins comes true!

[Gh0stRider]

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528926_537673999589717_527443244_n.jpg

[Foralark]

Meanwhile in Australia...

Lance Armstrong books moved to fiction section in Australian library - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/lance-armstrong-books-moved-library-fiction-section-article-1.1243498)

[Eastwood]

'Merikan hero!
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0111/grant_g_armstrong_sl_576.jpeg