[LiquidTurbo]

Surface by Microsoft - YouTube

Thoughts? Love the idea of a smart case keyboard. Microsoft may finally be onto something.

Finally. (after a decade of failure tablets)

And finally some decent promo material.

[guddagudd]

What happened to this shit

http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/microsoft-surface-object-interaction.jpg

[areyounoob]

I can only see myself getting the Surface RT due to the current price of pretty much anything Ivy Bridge.

Type Cover and adaptive backgrounds :megusta:

[knight604]

Looks not bad..

I just installed Windows 8 and im loving the metro thing.

[areyounoob]

What happened to this shit

http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/microsoft-surface-object-interaction.jpg

Renamed it to Pixelsense (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/pixelsense/default.aspx)

[SkinnyPupp]

Ha so they took the Surface name and used it for their own tablet... If you don't remember, Surface was basically a giant tablet, the size of a table. Before tablets were a thing, and everyone assumed people didn't want them.

[StylinRed]

aside from metro id want one; i like the keyboard cover


some pictures


http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/hero-600x438.jpg

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/surface_05-gallery-600x413.jpg

http://8.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/surface-tablet/surface_02-gallery.jpg

http://9.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/surface-tablet/surface_03-gallery.jpg


Surface for Windows RT tablet

Processor: NVIDIA Tegra-based ARM chip
Weight: 676 grams
Thickness: 9.3 millimeters
Display: 10.6-inch ClearType HD capactive touchpanel
Battery: 31.5Wh
I/O: microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2×2 MIMO antennae
Software: Windows RT + Office Home & Student 2013 RT
Accessories: Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand
Capacity: 32GB / 64GB
Availability: “Around” the Windows 8 launch (fall 2012)
Pricing: To be determined

Surface for Windows 8 Pro tablet

Processor: Intel Core i5 (Ivy Bridge)
Weight: 903 grams
Thickness: 13.5 millimeters
Display: 10.6-inch ClearType Full HD (1080p) capactive touchpanel
Battery: 42Wh
I/O: microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort, 2×2 MIMO antennae
Software: Windows 8 Pro
Accessories: Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand, Pen with Palm Block
Capacity: 64GB / 128GB
Availability: ”Three months after” the Windows 8 launch this fall
Pricing: To be determined



pro tablet not available until 2013? :/

[LiquidTurbo]

Can't wait for the next gen iPad cover to feature a built in keyboard and be a revolutionary feature..

[SkinnyPupp]

A tablet running a full x86 OS. Now that is interesting to me. (although in a way it's more like a laptop... this is like a hybrid laptop/tablet leaning more towards tablet)

[Soundy]

I just installed Windows 8 and im loving the metro thing.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/290893326/south_park_goes_metrosexual_by_freacls-d4t6uq6.jpg

[Hehe]

There is not a way in hell I would want to type on those slim, non tactile feedback keyboard-wannabe BS, let alone buying one.

And MS is getting it wrong AGAIN. Seems that they haven't learned anything from their failure in Zune.

The hardware doesn't matter as long as it's competitively matched with others. It's the software/hardware integration and ease-of-use that matters. As much as I hate the arrogance of Apple today, iPad is still unmatched in term of convenience and easy to use.

I live very far away from my parents, and every time I visit them, I spend easily 30% of the time setting up computers for them and teach them how to use them. I remember how my dad took down notes just so he could use Skype to video-con with me.

Last year, I got him an iPad2. They learned how to use Facetime to call me in under a minute. Downloaded a few apps that dedicate to watch those Taiwanese news they wanted and boom... magic happened. They no longer spend hours and hours trying to learn a new function.

From the MS presentation liveblog, I saw no mention of any dedication of user-friendliness and any software integrated to make the most out of the hardware. It's just another device MS designed so it could sell more Win8 licenses.

[Jackygor]

Looks slick. I want one. This being able to function as a PC is the most alluring aspect of this tablet.

[SkinnyPupp]

There is not a way in hell I would want to type on those slim, non tactile feedback keyboard-wannabe BS, let alone buying one.

And MS is getting it wrong AGAIN. Seems that they haven't learned anything from their failure in Zune.

The hardware doesn't matter as long as it's competitively matched with others. It's the software/hardware integration and ease-of-use that matters. As much as I hate the arrogance of Apple today, iPad is still unmatched in term of convenience and easy to use.

I live very far away from my parents, and every time I visit them, I spend easily 30% of the time setting up computers for them and teach them how to use them. I remember how my dad took down notes just so he could use Skype to video-con with me.

Last year, I got him an iPad2. They learned how to use Facetime to call me in under a minute. Downloaded a few apps that dedicate to watch those Taiwanese news they wanted and boom... magic happened. They no longer spend hours and hours trying to learn a new function.

From the MS presentation liveblog, I saw no mention of any dedication of user-friendliness and any software integrated to make the most out of the hardware. It's just another device MS designed so it could sell more Win8 licenses.
You haven't seen Metro in action then.

[Meowjin]

You haven't seen Metro in action then.

what the hell is metro? I need a disc link or video or something

[SkinnyPupp]

what the hell is metro? I need a disc link or video or something
It's the name of their interface. Started with Zune, moved to Windows Phone 7, then incorporated into Windows 8 itself. Great touch interface, shitty desktop interface. Which is why a lot of desktop users are upset that they are being 'forced' to use a touch interface on their desktops, if they want to stay up to date (win8 will have a lot of important updates behind the scenes)

Look it up on youtube, or better yet check out a Windows 7 phone in person

[knight604]

I like the metro interface on the computer , quite useful.

[lilaznviper]

i hate the metro interface on the desktop but works great on a tablet.

[Hehe]

You haven't seen Metro in action then.

I am not sure which version of Metro you refer to but the Metro on Win8 public beta (consumer preview) is utter garbage. It's so bad that the first search on the internet after I installed Win8 was "how to disable metro in win8" rather than the usual "firefox download". I thought I couldn't find anything less tolerable than crappy IE, but I was wrong.

Let me rephrase what I posted before, MS isn't interested in introducing an iPad competitor. They are seeing the decline in PC industry (dominated by WINTEL combo) and want to keep their relevance before people shift away for iOS or Android devices. This mentality, is why Windows Mobile couldn't keep up with Android (no. 1) and iOS (no. 2)

If MS is really serious about this market, they should stop bringing this one-OS fits all crap. They should dedicate themselves and make an OS that's truly focused on portable devices rather than introducing Metro (which is more or less a skin for Win7 so that touch devices can use it a bit better)

When I saw these tablets will have Win8 in them, the only thing that crossed my mind is, oh great, another device to buff MS Windows license number sold.

[knight604]

Well im running dual screens so it benefits me more than anything because i can just be browsing on my screen and i can still have metro up on the other.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am not sure which version of Metro you refer to but the Metro on Win8 public beta (consumer preview) is utter garbage. It's so bad that the first search on the internet after I installed Win8 was "how to disable metro in win8" rather than the usual "firefox download". I thought I couldn't find anything less tolerable than crappy IE, but I was wrong.

Let me rephrase what I posted before, MS isn't interested in introducing an iPad competitor. They are seeing the decline in PC industry (dominated by WINTEL combo) and want to keep their relevance before people shift away for iOS or Android devices. This mentality, is why Windows Mobile couldn't keep up with Android (no. 1) and iOS (no. 2)

If MS is really serious about this market, they should stop bringing this one-OS fits all crap. They should dedicate themselves and make an OS that's truly focused on portable devices rather than introducing Metro (which is more or less a skin for Win7 so that touch devices can use it a bit better)

When I saw these tablets will have Win8 in them, the only thing that crossed my mind is, oh great, another device to buff MS Windows license number sold.
You are pretty much the precise opposite of correct. I'll post why later

[Mr.HappySilp]

Not sure how this will help Windows sale.

At work we are still using WinXP. Is fast, decent and runs great on older computers (we are talking about Core2Dou here with 2Gb or RAM). Does the job just fine around the office.

The only reason I am using Win7 is because some games and software I use needs to have a more update Windows OS. If I could stick to WinXP I will for sure.

Not sure how well this will do. I been a PC person all my life but ever since I got my Iphone I been leaning towards Apple products more and more (got and Ipad2 didn't like coz I wasn't using it much then got ipad3 which I use everyday more than my PC).

It really depends on the user. I used to play games a lot Download a lot of movies so overall a PC is better for me. I am starting to play games less and less and most of the time when I am online I am either watching movies, reading blogs and other websites and I find it a lot easier to do it on my iPad. The interface on the iPad is simple to use and runs decently fast.

Not sure if Microsoft is heading the right directions with this. Sure the idea is great but it might not sell out due to their poor OS. Let's face it everytime microsoft release a new OS there are tons and tons of bugs and usually it takes a good at least a yea with updates to get it somewhat decent.

I am not even sure if I want to buy a computer when the old I am using crap out on me. This might capture some users who likes the windiwos enviorment but for a more casual base user they would perfer iPad coz is much much easier to use than Windows product. My parents could easier use my iPad without much issue but when they are on win7 is so much more harder for them.

[StylinRed]

what the hell is metro? I need a disc link or video or something

its like a OS for Dummies people have been praising it for its ease of use and speed

but i can't get over those tiles that look like they're for kids/the hard of seeing
windows 8 refreshes things a bit over windows phone 7 but its still a bit :/ for me (however i wouldnt mind a tablet despite the metro ui)

pick up a windows phone at a cellular kiosk and you'll see

[FerrariEnzo]

that keyboard looks sexy

[dangonay]

While the hardware looks promising I have to wonder why MS decided to announce it. There were just as many "missing" details as announced ones. Nothing on which Nvidia SoC in the RT tablet. Nothing on the types of screens. Nothing on battery life. No firm ship date. No firm price. No partners with software to demo (the biggest mistake, IMO). It's really all just vapor ware.

I think they should have done this in fall when they're finished and can give us all the details. Oh, and being able to say "you can order one starting tomorrow" instead of "will be available in the fall with the Pro coming 90 days later" would have been a huge plus.

[Narayan]

What happened to this shit

http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/microsoft-surface-object-interaction.jpg

RBC is utilizing this technology in their branches actually...

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[i-VTEC]

Absolutely love it. Really nice introduction video. Take my money Microsoft!

[DanHibiki]

this is the only tablet i'd consider buying

[Jackygor]

I would interested on how micorsoft will link this system with windows 8 phones as well as the next generation xbox. So much potential...

[DanHibiki]

^how bout the microsoft kin? :troll:

[Hehe]

Buahahaaha...

Yet another sign that MS is doing it wrong... with all the demand it created by the hype, it fails to capitalize on it. Think about Zune, when it was officially announced, it wasn't until 3~4 months before the first model became available.

I think every company should be like this, announce a product, pre-order available right away with a shipment no more than a few weeks away.

By the time this tablet actually launches, iPad 2013/Android Jelly Bean might be around the corner and through all the cough *controlled* cough leak from Google/Apple will make people wait for their new ipad/tablets... :troll:

[StylinRed]

the device is great but i agree all these companies should have learned at least 1 thing from Apple its to bring to sale soon after its announced

[SkinnyPupp]

:fullofwin:

http://i.imgur.com/abigV.jpg

[.Renn.Sport]

Buahahaaha...

Yet another sign that MS is doing it wrong... with all the demand it created by the hype, it fails to capitalize on it. Think about Zune, when it was officially announced, it wasn't until 3~4 months before the first model became available.

I think every company should be like this, announce a product, pre-order available right away with a shipment no more than a few weeks away.

By the time this tablet actually launches, iPad 2013/Android Jelly Bean might be around the corner and through all the cough *controlled* cough leak from Google/Apple will make people wait for their new ipad/tablets... :troll:

its not other companies don't want to sell it immediately, its the company structure and they don't have a Tim Cook to manage their supply chain

[Hehe]

its not other companies don't want to sell it immediately, its the company structure and they don't have a Tim Cook to manage their supply chain

Why rush then? It's not like they are missing anything by announcing it now and 3 month later (or whenever they can get their shit ready). I don't think any iPad customer would stop buying (probably some, but it should account a very small % of total iPad customer base)

And BTW... it wouldn't be MS without pulling a MS classic... OS CRASH! :fullofwin:

Microsoft Surface tablet - Keynote 2012 (Part 2/4) - YouTube

FF to 0:35 and see how the presenter struggle to get to his demo...

[SkinnyPupp]

OMG beta software on beta OS on beta hardware crashed!!!! That never happens to ipads right? :fuckthatshit:

[Hehe]

OMG beta software on beta OS on beta hardware crashed!!!! That never happens to ipads right? :fuckthatshit:

It's not exactly a tradition for Apple. Cause Apple rarely announce hardware in beta form.

[dangonay]

Now there are rumblings from PC vendors who are not happy they have to compete against MS. For the most part, MS has stayed out of the PC business and was content to let others make the hardware while they provide the OS. Now they are competing directly with those same vendors by selling hardware.

I wonder how much MS "tacks on" for a Win 8 license to the price of their own tablets, or if they will eat the cost to help gain traction in the market. Meanwhile vendors will be paying for a license on every tablet they sell.

[SkinnyPupp]

Now there are rumblings from PC vendors who are not happy they have to compete against MS. For the most part, MS has stayed out of the PC business and was content to let others make the hardware while they provide the OS. Now they are competing directly with those same vendors by selling hardware.

I wonder how much MS "tacks on" for a Win 8 license to the price of their own tablets, or if they will eat the cost to help gain traction in the market. Meanwhile vendors will be paying for a license on every tablet they sell.
I'm pretty sure it won't be their intention to compete with their own vendors, and it will be something like the Nexus, where they put it out there and go "this is how you do it right" while charging a bit more for the product since they don't have to compete.

Either that, or there is very little interest in the OS, and they are completely on their own...

[TekDragon]

There is not a way in hell I would want to type on those slim, non tactile feedback keyboard-wannabe BS, let alone buying one.

And MS is getting it wrong AGAIN. Seems that they haven't learned anything from their failure in Zune.

The hardware doesn't matter as long as it's competitively matched with others. It's the software/hardware integration and ease-of-use that matters. As much as I hate the arrogance of Apple today, iPad is still unmatched in term of convenience and easy to use.


The Pro model's keyboard has actual travel (albeit only 1.5mm) when the key is depressed. I'd say that counts as tactile.

Also, HOW are they getting it wrong again? Can you elaborate?

[Vancouver_M5]

Ok, so i bought a ipad 2 about 3 months ago, it was way overpriced for what it was. The novelty wore off afer about 3 days, and the. Inrealized that all it is , is a big touch, quite useless in 90% of my needs besides browsing. This new Surface tablet is precisely what i need and what the future needs. Everyone in north America has been brainwashed with this "Apple" is best theory but in fact its gardbage. I also own an iphone 4 and 4s, unfortunately i figured out too late that a nexus s could eat them both alive for the same price.

Anyway... The surface will do quite well, it is MILES and miles ahead of the ipad.

[Vancouver_M5]

There is not a way in hell I would want to type on those slim, non tactile feedback keyboard-wannabe BS, let alone buying one.

And MS is getting it wrong AGAIN. Seems that they haven't learned anything from their failure in Zune.

The hardware doesn't matter as long as it's competitively matched with others. It's the software/hardware integration and ease-of-use that matters. As much as I hate the arrogance of Apple today, iPad is still unmatched in term of convenience and easy to use.

I live very far away from my parents, and every time I visit them, I spend easily 30% of the time setting up computers for them and teach them how to use them. I remember how my dad took down notes just so he could use Skype to video-con with me.

Last year, I got him an iPad2. They learned how to use Facetime to call me in under a minute. Downloaded a few apps that dedicate to watch those Taiwanese news they wanted and boom... magic happened. They no longer spend hours and hours trying to learn a new function.

From the MS presentation liveblog, I saw no mention of any dedication of user-friendliness and any software integrated to make the most out of the hardware. It's just another device MS designed so it could sell more Win8 licenses.

You're right , the ipad is great , but for what? Playing fart apps ? Browsing the web with no flash? I happen to own a ipad 2, and as soon as theses MS tablest come out, im selling it. Have you ever used the Zune software? It is amazing, i still use it even though i dint have a Zune anymore.When i bought my Zune, it had wifi sync, a touch pas and a 3.2 inch screen, there was no apple touch at the time, only the old busted Classic wih black and white screen. Microsoft has excellent technology, which is why they are nr1 globally and apple is but a snowflake on a mountain.

I appreciated apple up until they started their advertisment campaign based SOLELY on bad mouthing their competitors to make hemselves look good and stealing inovations from Cydia and Android and claiming novelty for themselves. The surface is a 100% USABLE computer, as opposed to my 700$ oversized ipad WHICH is now not included for updates by ios 6,but my 4s which has weaker specs is.

i hope apple dies in a fiery death, they certainly deserve it, rant out

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ I am exactlyt he opposite. I haven't done much with my PC ever since I got my new iPad (Maily PC is on for P2P and that's about it).

I mainly surf on my ipad and it does just fine. What tons of free apps I get all that I need (News feeds, movies sush as Netflix, pps and much much more, games).

Also witht he iPad I can use it 8+hours and sitll have battery left for next day. With the surface there are no data on pricing, batery life, screem res, cpu..... too many mystery. It will be funny if the battery only last a few hours coz the OS is eating all yoru battery or it is laggy...........

[freakshow]

Sometimes i forget where my iPad is since I never use it. Surface looks like a much better tool since it can actually be used for productivity when needed, in addition to everything else.

[knight604]

MS wants at least 600 for this badboy.

[Hehe]

The Pro model's keyboard has actual travel (albeit only 1.5mm) when the key is depressed. I'd say that counts as tactile.

Also, HOW are they getting it wrong again? Can you elaborate?

When they wrap the keyboard around a single piece of sheet on top, you can almost guarantee it's not going to be the same as keyboard. I am going to bet a cup of joe that it's most likely going to feel like those foldable/waterproof crappy keyboard you can buy for $10.

As for the "again" part, see my original post. MS announced nothing about any extra miles they went to make Win8 more suited for the hardware they are based on.

Look at iPad, iPhone or even Nexus phones... they all have dedicated pieces of hardware to go along with their softwares to stand out. iOS has functions like iMessage, Facetime, and all sort of first/third party apps that are redesigned from ground up to take advantage/limitation of the hardware. Nexus Galaxy has NFC that's compatible with Google Wallet... something like these show vision on user experience... while Surface has none... it's just another PC with very little room for expansion.

MS simply expect to put it out there and hope that other can come up with something nice about it, while not even trying to push anything on their own.


The surface is a 100% USABLE computer, as opposed to my 700$ oversized ipad WHICH is now not included for updates by ios 6,but my 4s which has weaker specs is.

i hope apple dies in a fiery death, they certainly deserve it, rant out

You have said it yourself, Surface is a COMPUTER. iPad was never designed to be one. It's just a device to facilitate those frequent activities that we do for perhaps 80% of our free time with computer (facebook, web browsing, chatting... etc) while you still use your computer for anything serious.

Now there are rumblings from PC vendors who are not happy they have to compete against MS. For the most part, MS has stayed out of the PC business and was content to let others make the hardware while they provide the OS. Now they are competing directly with those same vendors by selling hardware.

I wonder how much MS "tacks on" for a Win 8 license to the price of their own tablets, or if they will eat the cost to help gain traction in the market. Meanwhile vendors will be paying for a license on every tablet they sell.

IMO, MS isn't exactly satisfied on what third party vendors are doing in the tablet arena and fears that they would lose their bread and butter to iOS and Android as PC is in decline while mobile devices are on the rise.

Lil birds told me that MS asks for $79 for a Win8 license to third party vendors. I think vendors have ground to be royally pissed because when MS announces Surface pricing, it better calculate with the same figure as it asks third parties to pay. Else, the other would simply move to something else as they can't compete with MS.

But I don't think MS would be this stupid again... unless they want the whole netbook fiasco again (remember how they were mostly based on Linux at the beginning because MS licensing simply didn't make sense for a device that cheap? MS gave in at the end and offered another license tier for netbooks)

[Anjew]

i hope the surface turns out to be very solid. we really need strong competition to whats currently out right now.

[.Renn.Sport]

Why rush then? It's not like they are missing anything by announcing it now and 3 month later (or whenever they can get their shit ready). I don't think any iPad customer would stop buying (probably some, but it should account a very small % of total iPad customer base)


rush? microsoft is close to 2 years behind already. i'm pretty sure microsoft does not have the logistic knowledge like apple to have things start shipping once they announce it.

plus, they probably recovered a lot of money from their stock prices by announcing it.

[Senna4ever]

It does look interesting for sure, but I'm not convinced a tablet type platform is good for content creation. I have an iPad2 and love it, but I only use it for content consumption, like when I'm on the can or reading in bed.

[!Aznboi128]

lets be honest, iPad and surface is two different things.

iPad runs on iOS which is very different then their osx
Surface runs on windows 8 just like a computer

surface is more like a ultra portable computer with touch screen kinda like this
http://newspaper.li/static/7d7e4f9f0bc95798685142d199694c2c.jpg

If some one wants a computer then buy the surface, if some one wants a simple to use device that has a bunch of apps then get the iPad

[freakshow]

If windows can get some decent app traction (yeah, a BIG 'if'), then the quote should be more like this..

If some one wants a computer then buy the surface, if some one wants a simple to use device that has a bunch of apps then get the surface

[Hehe]

rush? microsoft is close to 2 years behind already. i'm pretty sure microsoft does not have the logistic knowledge like apple to have things start shipping once they announce it.

plus, they probably recovered a lot of money from their stock prices by announcing it.

Exactly. By announcing it now, and 3 month later (or however long it takes) doesn't make much difference for MS. My suggestion was that by announcing it now and not selling the actual hardware until a few month down the road, they wasted all the hype and rush that they can capitalize on (all the impulse shoppers) and what is to prevent other companies to announce some other stuff? If a shopper who was originally thinking of buying an iPad now sits on the fence for Surface, chances are, if other company announce something else, they will sit on the fence again.

And MS is in for a long term business. Temporally shocks (positively or negatively alike) are not major concern for their decision. It's not like MS depends on those little shocks.

[dangonay]

It does look interesting for sure, but I'm not convinced a tablet type platform is good for content creation. I have an iPad2 and love it, but I only use it for content consumption, like when I'm on the can or reading in bed.
Exactly. There's no point in me going to my office/den to check e-mail, read news or follow sports when I can just pick up my iPad while I'm relaxing in the living room or before going to bed. In the morning I check my work e-mails and company bulletins while having breakfast to get a head start on my day.

The tasks I do haven't changed - they've just been split up between my PC's and my iPad.