[Harvey Specter]

Wow, lol...

Ferrari 458 Spider Runs Over Cop - YouTube

More info on the driver;

http://www.autospies.com/news/VIDEO-Stephanie-Pratt-s-DUMB-Boyfriend-Encounters-A-DUMB-Cop-It-ALL-Goes-Downhill-From-There-71897/

[LP700-4]

The driver pretending to be hurt and just lying there :lawl:

Watch i bet the cop will be sued for excessive force and have to pay for all damages. America :fuckthatshit:

[ws6ta]

Watch i bet the cop will be sued for excessive force and have to pay for all damages.


I hope so.

[Energy]

I hope so.

Me too. He is a cop but that is excessive. Hope they take the expensive repairs out of his paycheque.

[radioman]

I have no problem with what the cop did.

[1exotic]

cop is jelly

[Harvey Specter]

I have no problem with what the cop did.

I do have a problem with him denting the 458, dent the guys face, hell beat the living crap out of him but please leave the 458 alone.

[Energy]

Yup what gives a cop the right to damage someone's property? Even if it was a Civic what he did was uncalled for. He will probably end up paying for the damages.

[radioman]

I do have a problem with him denting the 458, dent the guys face, hell beat the living crap out of him but please leave the 458 alone.

What I don't get is why this guy just didn't accept the ticket/fine?

Sure poor 458 but it wouldn't have happened if he just sat there.

EDIT: He should have just gotten in front of the thing any ways.

[jakers]

Its a car forum. If it was a civic nobody would even watch this video. Hell, nobody at all would watch this video if it didnt have a 458 in it and if it didn't feature someone of minor fame. Granted both people are idiots in this situation.

[Harvey Specter]

What I don't get is why this guy just didn't accept the ticket/fine?

Sure poor 458 but it wouldn't have happened if he just sat there.

EDIT: He should have just gotten in front of the thing any ways.

A couple NYC members on the BMW forums said that some drivers in NYC do drive off because they don't want to waste time while the parking enforcement officer is writing up a ticket. Once the officer has your plate #, you don't need to stick around because they mail out the ticket to you if you decide not to wait.

[Engotski]

I was a valet while in college. We parked a car or two at our valet zones down town all the time. Cop could have handled it better since hes a public figure but ferrari driver didnt handle the situation the right way either. Im guessing the cop will lose if he gets sued

[LP700-4]

Wait a minute

From the video description
I was walking around Soho, NYC today when I stumbled upon this Ferrari 458 Spider with a cop writing a ticket next to it. I started to record the situation because I thought it'd make a cool video, little did I know what I was in for. As soon as I started recording the owner of the car appeared and got in it. He slowly started moving since he refused to accept the ticket (the car was parked in a hotels valet zone and the hotel valet had the keys, I myself don't understand why the cop was giving him the ticket, it was approved by the hotel that the car was parked there.) The cop then told him to stop but he proceeded to move forward. Now at this point I believe the cops foot was under the front drivers side tire. Yet again the owner moved the car forward and apparently he somewhat ran over the cops foot (or at least that's what can be made out from everything in the video, others at the scene claimed otherwise.) This triggered the cop and he slammed his hand into the drivers window and proceed to open the door (notice how many times he bumped it into the taxi cab) and pull the driver out forcefully. The driver was then thrown on the ground and handcuffed and arrested. The owners girlfriend seen in the video is also Stephanie Pratt from the MTV hit show, The Hills. The car did suffer some damage, paint chips on the door from when the cop slammed it into the cab and some scuffs by the engine bay shown in the last scene of this video. Pretty crazy situation, I was definitely at the right place at the right time!

So the car was parked in a hotel Valet zone, the valets knew and had the key, and the cop decides to write a ticket? For what?

[BossFrancis]

The girlfriend's name is Stephanie Pratt eh? :fullofwin:

[320icar]

sorry, but some rich fuck in a ferrari completely ignoring the orders of an officer, then proceeding to not give a rats ass about injuring another human being?

that cop was if anything too merciful.

[Recon604]

doesnt really look like he ran over the cops foot, maybe he did but he didnt like go on top of it or even over the foot. I think the cop over exaggerated. The cop even put his foot there on purpose, hes just askin for it!

[BaoTurbo]

I wonder what the NYPD will do to repsond to this....






In for update though

[Vale46Rossi]

In NY all cops are issued steel toe boots so the cop is faking it and limping like a pussy.

IF the driver DID run over his foot most likely it'd be wedged under the wheel... if you watch the video the tire never moved back for the cop to MOVE his foot so seems like he was faking it.

Also in NY they are allowed to drive off and the ticket can be mailed to him, cop made a big deal about it and used excessive force.

I am not saying the driver is right but at the same time cop was an ego tripping maniac

[Recon604]

SumAznGuy is probably a cop LOL

[FerrariEnzo]

serves the idiot right.. DNT fucking take off when the cop is issuing a ticket... :fulloffuck:

having a Ferrari doesnt mean your above the law...

I bet if that wasnt a cop, that ferrari driver would be in a lot worse condition...

[Not really racist!]

A video has hit the Internet today detailing perhaps the douchiest interaction between a Ferrari owner and an NYPD officer’s foot to ever happen outside the Mercer Hotel.


Is this the Ferrari Foot Smasher? (photo, by Natalie Brasington, from Entrepreneur.com)
The owner of the $257,000 red Ferrari 458, Julien Chabbott, accused of the foot smashing, could very well be the same man who co-founded the fittingly named “Line Snob” smartphone app (which aims to “tackle” waiting in lines—or crush it with a coupe tire).

In the video, filmed by bystander Damian Mory, Police Officer Felix Recio is filling out a ticket for Mr. Chabbott’s car for parking in a no standing zone, for not having a registration sticker, and for not having an inspection sticker, according to an NYPD spokesman and the criminal complaint.

Officer Recio told Mr. Chabbott “I’m writing you a summons. Please stand on the sidewalk,” according to the criminal complaint.

Mr. Chabbott, 28, of Midtown South, first tried to snatch the summons out of Officer Recio’s hands, then walked inside 147 Mercer Street, the address for The Mercer Hotel, the criminal complaint adds.

Mr. Chabbott, who was reportedly there with girlfriend (and former “The Hills” player) Stephanie Pratt, then returned to the car to announce “I’m leaving.”

Mr. Chabbott was “specifically told by the officer to not get into the car and to not leave, and that’s exactly what he did,” the NYPD spokesman added.

What happens next is, well, see for yourself:


Mr. Chabbott was arrested and charged with second-degree assault (a felony charge), vehicular assault, obstructing governmental administration, and disorderly conduct, the NYPD said.

As for Officer Recio: “He has an injury to his left foot and right hand, he was treated and released, and is out on an injury, out of the line of duty,” the NYPD spokesman added.

He plead not guilty to charges in Manhattan Criminal Court this morning.

If confirmed, Mr. Chabbott is the same man behind Line Snob, which is “a location-based social network that monitors lines and provides wait times,” it says on its website.

In a 2010 Entrepreneur.com article, Mr. Chabbott said he and business partner Eric Adler created the app as “it was the perfect time to use the power of crowds.”

As the opening sentence in the article points out, “Eric Adler and Julien Chabbott hate waiting in lines.”

He also hates waiting for a police officer to finish filling out a summons, evidently.

An email to Line Snob requesting comment was not returned by press time.

drosen@observer.com

Is Line Snob Co-Founder The Ferrari Snob Who Ran Over Cop’s Foot? | Observer (http://observer.com/2012/08/is-line-snob-founder-ferrari-snob-who-ran-over-cops-foot/)

[pinn3r]

"blah blah cop is excessive blah"

stfu .. if somebody didn't stop & ran over your foot what the fuck would you do? :QQ: like a little bitch? who wouldn't go apeshit, cunt deserved it:lol

[j.f0ng]

As for Officer Recio: “He has an injury to his left foot and right hand, he was treated and released, and is out on an injury, out of the line of duty,” the NYPD spokesman added.

..yeah from hitting the Ferrari. :rukidding:

The driver is an idiot for trying to drive away while be written a ticket. The cop is also an idiot for not moving away from the car when it began rolling.

[GGnoRE]

The only true victim is the poor cab.

[ShadowBun]

in for update

[Energy]

"blah blah cop is excessive blah"

stfu .. if somebody didn't stop & ran over your foot what the fuck would you do? :QQ: like a little bitch? who wouldn't go apeshit, cunt deserved it:lol

He's a cop. A normal person would go apeshit but cops are held to a higher standard.

The driver was wrong for sure but why go so far as to damage the Ferrari and the cab? Looks like he lost control of himself and resorted to violence right away and no one wants police officers who react like that.

So the driver ran over his foot now he's going to slam the car's door into another car and drag the guy out? Is it tit for tat now? There are better ways of getting people to comply that don't need to cause damage like that.

Instead of raging and dragging the guy out forcefully why not stay calm and draw your sidearm and respectfully tell the guy to get out on his own. If he doesn't well then....

[Harvey Specter]

SumAznGuy why don't you post something in thread instead failing everyone like a dimwit.

[Harvey Specter]

He's a cop. A normal person would go apeshit but cops are held to a higher standard.

The driver was wrong for sure but why go so far as to damage the Ferrari and the cab? Looks like he lost control of himself and resorted to violence right away and no one wants police officers who react like that.

So the driver ran over his foot now he's going to slam the car's door into another car and drag the guy out? Is it tit for tat now? There are better ways of getting people to comply that don't need to cause damage like that.

Instead of raging and dragging the guy out forcefully why not stay calm and draw your sidearm and respectfully tell the guy to get out on his own. If he doesn't well then....

The driver provoked the cop but you're exactly right, cops are held to a higher standard and should are trained to handle hostile situations in a calmer matter because things can spiral out of control really quickly once a cop loses control of a situation.

[1exotic]

SumAznGuy why don't you post something in thread instead failing everyone like a dimwit.

He's just a jelly hipster

[Groot]

nah hes just SumAznGuy :troll:

[AndM]

anybody else watch the vid again to see if it was stefanie pratte :lawl:

[BossFrancis]

anybody else watch the vid again to see if it was stefanie pratte :lawl:

No went straight to google :fullofwin: nomsayin

[CharlesInCharge]

You guys are kidding right? the cop got caught putting his foot under the tire purposely and claiming assault.
This video means I can film the same thing and stand by your mothers car as she pulls out of parking, put my foot underneath, which doesnt hurt, then slam her on the ground for assault?

The driver pretending to be hurt and just lying there :lawl:

Watch i bet the cop will be sued for excessive force and have to pay for all damages. America :fuckthatshit:
nice

[Marco911]

That cop exemplifies a civil servant on a power trip. I didn't think meter maids could require a driver to stop while issuing a summons.

[lowside67]

That cop exemplifies a civil servant on a power trip. I didn't think meter maids could require a driver to stop while issuing a summons.
As per the article, he's a fully fledged police officer, not just a meter maid. He is certainly within his jurisdiction to tell the guy to stay put and not drive away...

Mark

[AWDTurboLuvr]

1) He wasn't just getting a parking ticket, he's also getting a failure to display an inspection sticker, which means his car is unregistered (big no-no in NY state)

2) The video doesn't show the whole incident. Prior to the start of the video, the driver apparently tries to grab the ticket book from the officer.

To me, I'm surprised the officer was so patient.

[dangonay]

I doubt it. Have you seen his posting history? Whenever this topic comes up he has two standard replies: It's OK to drive fast if your car is capable and people who complain are "jelly" or "haters".

And I just noticed he played both his cards in this thread again.

cop is jelly

He's just a jelly hipster

Still up with the usual replies I see. Who uses the word "jelly" instead of "jealous"?


Don't care about the video - they're both being idiots, IMO. It's just funny to read the responses and see which RS members are picking sides based on whether they dislike cops or have money, not based on any evidence of what actually happened.

[InvisibleSoul]

I watched the part just before the cop claims to have gotten his foot run over several times, and it doesn't even look like the car moved.

[mb_]

Me too. He is a cop but that is excessive. Hope they take the expensive repairs out of his paycheque.
I don't see how it's excessive, sure he did grab him a little bit too roughly but that was far from excessive in my eyes. If he punched him in the face, beat the living shit out of him then sure. As for the damages, doesn't look like he did it on purpose.

I do have a problem with him denting the 458, dent the guys face, hell beat the living crap out of him but please leave the 458 alone.
If he dented the guys face then lawsuits would be flying left, right and center.

That cop exemplifies a civil servant on a power trip. I didn't think meter maids could require a driver to stop while issuing a summons.

I don't see it anything close to being a power trip. He's writing a ticket, Ferrari driver runs (or tries to) run him over, cop yanks him out of the car. Seems pretty routine to me.

Seems like majority of the people overlooked the article posted by Not really racist posted in the previous page

http://www.revscene.net/forums/671877-ferrari-458-spider-runs-over-nypd-officers-foot-cop-goes-apesh-t.html#post7995043

[Energy]

I don't see how it's excessive, sure he did grab him a little bit too roughly but that was far from excessive in my eyes. If he punched him in the face, beat the living shit out of him then sure. As for the damages, doesn't look like he did it on purpose.


And that's the problem. The cop just lost control of himself. See how he slams his fist on the window and yells like a child and then flings the door of the car open into another car? Remember this is new York where there is very little space in the first place. Either he was aware that doing so would cause damages OR he was acting purely on instinct at the time.

Like I said, here are other ways of getting people to comply that don't involve damage to properly or roughing someone up. It seems like the cop just chose the most "direct and hands on" way in this circumstance.

We all agree that what the driver did was wrong. But what gets me is that a lot of people on RS believe that what the cop did was right. Are you guys serious? "the guy is a rich prick he deserves it" or "he disrespected the officer now the officer should disrespect him too!" are not valid reasons to defend what the cop did as right. "he's just doing his job" isn't enough either because like I said there are different ways to get things done.

I tried to spell out my arguments reasonably and clearly. Now those people who just fail everything without even typing a single line are starting to look like fools.

[BaoTurbo]

Well he wasn't supposed to get a ticket for a "no parking" zone I think because the valet took care of his car. When he arrived I guess he was offended to see a cop trying to give him a ticket when he wasn't supposed to recieve one and overreacted. Then when the cop didn't even care to ask what his problem was and kept writing, he flipped and tried to drive off..?

[bing]

He's a cop. A normal person would go apeshit but cops are held to a higher standard.

The driver was wrong for sure but why go so far as to damage the Ferrari and the cab? Looks like he lost control of himself and resorted to violence right away and no one wants police officers who react like that.

So the driver ran over his foot now he's going to slam the car's door into another car and drag the guy out? Is it tit for tat now? There are better ways of getting people to comply that don't need to cause damage like that.

Instead of raging and dragging the guy out forcefully why not stay calm and draw your sidearm and respectfully tell the guy to get out on his own. If he doesn't well then....

I don't know NY but it looks like the Ferrari driver was being quite disrespectful and the officer was quite insistent that he stay until he was finished. How hard would it have been to wait a few minutes? This whole incident could have been prevented (especially since it looks like the officer has an ego as well). Now he has to show up in court on assault charges (really? who wouldn't have seen that coming. You have a cop whether rightfully or wrongfully putting his body in the way of the vehicle and you still want to push forward? Why run the risk of vehicular assault? Recall, assault does not even have to touch a person, they just have to feel threatened. Battery is when there is actual unlawful contact). File a complaint if the officer's behavior was wrong.

It also looks like the officer punched the window at the exact time the wheel went over his foot. Perhaps that is an over-reaction, maybe it isn't. What would you do? While I don't think he was entirely careful when he opened the door (that probably wasn't on his mind at this point), I don't think he SLAMS it as you make it out to be. The door, however, does swing violently a couple times when he's attempting to pull the guy out of the car, which looks to be unintended, but is also likely when the damage occurred. I think it comes down to whether he had a right to pull the guy out of the car or give the guy the opportunity to get out of his car.

edit: I'll have to qualify my statement more, but as soon as the Ferrari assaulted the officer, he was entitled to pull him out. In any other 'extreme' scenario that's what would have happened.

[Energy]

And it's the unintentional, reactionary parts that are at issue. But like I said, the whole thing could have happened differently if the cop controlled himself instead of lashing out.

Imagine if cops reacted that way in the riots last year when people were taunting them and throwing objects at them. But they didn't and those cops have my respect for being able to stay calm and by being the better man. It's not the exact same situation but its close enough.

What I would do is not important because I am not a police officer. It's somewhat understandable if one guy punches another guy and the other guy punches the first person back. They are just ordinary people acting like uncivilized cavemen - they are not police officers.

And hey at least you reply with a well reasoned out post instead of hiding behind fails.

[Energy]

I think it comes down to whether he had a right to pull the guy out of the car or give the guy the opportunity to get out of his car.

Yup it's this exactly.

[marc0lishuz]

Given that the cop was already in the process of writing the citation and probably had the license plate, couldn't he have mailed it instead of having a confrontation like this?

Seems like both are in the wrong. Ferrari driver shouldn't give two shits about some parking ticket, and the cop shouldn't have escalated the situation in that manner.

[Harvey Specter]

Given that the cop was already in the process of writing the citation and probably had the license plate, couldn't he have mailed it instead of having a confrontation like this?

Seems like both are in the wrong. Ferrari driver shouldn't give two shits about some parking ticket, and the cop shouldn't have escalated the situation in that manner.

Yes, see my post on the first page.

[Marco911]

The officer is a whiny little pussy and knows he put himself in the situation. If you watch the video carefully, the Ferrari did not drive over the officer's foot. The officer placed his foot (voluntarily) under the wheel, and then flipped out when the tire contacted his foot. This was planned by the officer all along.

Now he's claiming disability and taking time off work for a non-injury because he knows that he could be facing disciplinary action if the truth came to light.

Ferrari driver is a douche, and deserves a ticket for failing to stop for a police officer, which is itself a serious offence, but not assault and other charges.

[Yodamaster]

Jesus fucking christ, the amount of derp in this thread is astonishing.


The officer clearly stood in front of the Ferrari before it even started moving, yet the driver decided to start driving into the officer anyway, foot or no foot, he drove into the officer.

No matter how much your pussy ass hates the police, that is assault with a deadly weapon, there is no room for negotiation.


The driver got what was coming to him, a reality check.

[Matlock]

The driver should have locked his door.

[Manic!]

You guys are kidding right? the cop got caught putting his foot under the tire purposely and claiming assault.
This video means I can film the same thing and stand by your mothers car as she pulls out of parking, put my foot underneath, which doesnt hurt, then slam her on the ground for assault?


nice

So when I'm backing out at Costco it's OK for me to run anyone over that walks behind my truck. You have to be a complete idiot to leave when a cops trying to give you a ticket. Try that here and see what happens.

[rageguy]

There comes a point when you know you must be smart and stay down. If a cop is power tripping and is looking for any excuse to start shit, you calm the fuck down and stay down. You never win against a police, out on the streets. You do the winning at the court.

The Ferrari driver is the one to blame, 100%, for being stupid and not recognizing this fact.

[achiam]

^Exactly.
The same applies to any figure power tripping, whether it's a police officer or a bouncer at a club. At the end of the day, the dude in the Ferrari is FAR FAR FAR better off than the cop in the grand scheme of life -- yes he's a cop and in power and muscular but what's the point? Let douchebag musclemen with shitty positions in society win the little ones -- you know at the end of the day you're well above them anyways so what's the point. Idiot should have gone along and taken the ticket. Nothing would have happened.

[CharlesInCharge]

The officer is a whiny little pussy and knows he put himself in the situation. If you watch the video carefully, the Ferrari did not drive over the officer's foot. The officer placed his foot (voluntarily) under the wheel, and then flipped out when the tire contacted his foot. This was planned by the officer all along.

Now he's claiming disability and taking time off work for a non-injury because he knows that he could be facing disciplinary action if the truth came to light.

Ferrari driver is a douche, and deserves a ticket for failing to stop for a police officer, which is itself a serious offence, but not assault and other charges.Marco you're one of only a few that has made sense to me in my browsing at RV over the years.
Had this incident not been recorded and seen how the officer pulled off his sneaking fraud, dont you think in some circumstances the driver could have gone to prison, never mind for how long, but even entering one of those zoos one would be prone to anal rape.
And this is well known and even designed by the ruling elites to break people.
So in fact for justice to be carried out, dont you think the assault frauding officer should be anal raped, like an eye for eye justice, and this would teach other cops a lesson?

So when I'm backing out at Costco it's OK for me to run anyone over that walks behind my truck. happens.
If they wanted you to, with the intention of throwing you out of the truck, claiming fraud and breaking your piggy bank after.

[Marco911]

^^I don't know about prison, but the officer should definitely lose his job for poorly handling the situation. The driver's insurance company should sue the officer for damage to the vehicle.

[ts14]

both sides handled the situation poorly.. end of story

cop was ego trippin n the guy was acting stupid

[7seven]

What I don't get is if it was the valet who parked your vehicle in the no standing zone, why not just deal with the valet and hotel over the ticket, instead of the cop.

Stephanie Pratt stars in an MTV reality show, but her boyfriend stole the show Saturday night, driving over the foot of a cop who tried to ticket his illegally-parked, six-figure Ferrari.

Pratt’s prosperous paramour, Julien Chabbott, 28, of Chelsea, was outraged when he spotted cops about to ticket his $257,000 Ferrari 458 Spider, in a no-standing zone in front of SoHo’s posh Mercer Hotel about 6:15 p.m.

Car enthusiast Damian Morys, 17, of Fresh Meadows, Queens, was admiring the Spider when he saw the confrontation and started filming.

In Morys’ version of “Men Behaving Badly,” Chabbott is seen sliding behind the wheel and attempting to drive away.

“I couldn’t believe it,” Morys said. “He can afford a $300,000 Ferrari; he should have just taken the ticket.”

The cop tried to block the fleeing Ferrari, but Chabbott apparently rolled over the officer’s foot.

The irate gumshoe slammed his hand on the window, shouting, “You run down my f------ foot!”

The cop then yanked Chabbott from the car and slammed him on to the trunk. Chabbott fell to the ground as the cop’s partner held one of his legs in the air and the injured cop slapped cuffs on him.

Police say that before the amateur began filming, Chabbott grabbed the ticket book from the cop and ignored orders to stay on the sidewalk.

Pratt, who stars on MTV’s “The Hills,” is seen on the video watching, then riding away in the car, driven by a friend.

Chabbott was illegally parked and the Spider had no registration or inspection stickers displayed. The car also lacked a front license plate. He was charged with assault, vehicular assault, obstructing governmental administration and disorderly conduct.

The cop was treated for an injured left foot and right hand and released from Bellevue Hospital.

Read more: Stephanie Pratt's boyfriend Julien Chabbott drives over foot of cop who tried to ticket his illegally-parked Ferrari, authorities say - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/stephanie-pratt-boyfriend-drives-foot-ticket-illegally-parked-ferrari-authorities-article-1.1129679#ixzz22rz0eU8O)

[Hehe]

NVM

[AstulzerRZD]

I personally believe that the cop severely overreacted instead of keeping cool and just cuffing the driver ; I came across this today

Acquaintance Confirms The Ferrari Driver Stomped By Cops Is An Obnoxious Poser (http://jalopnik.com/5932561/acquaintance-confirms-the-ferrari-driver-stomped-by-cops-is-an-obnoxious-poser)

[dvst8]

Ferrari owner got what he deserved. None of this would have happened if he just took the ticket.

[freakshow]

What I don't get is if it was the valet who parked your vehicle in the no standing zone, why not just deal with the valet and hotel over the ticket, instead of the cop.
Two possibilities:
1) The ticket was being written for licensing/registration/plate issues, which isn't the hotel's fault
2) He's an idiot

I'm assuming #2

[AstulzerRZD]

^ Car's missing front plate in video, which is required in New York :badpokerface:

http://dmvanswers.com/questions/1625/Am-I-required-to-display-a-front-license-plate-in-New-York

[mb_]

^^I don't know about prison, but the officer should definitely lose his job for poorly handling the situation. The driver's insurance company should sue the officer for damage to the vehicle.

Lose his job? Kinda far fetched don't you think? No one got hurt but the driver's ego and the Ferrari.

[Great68]

The Ferrari guy was a douche, the Cop was an asshole.

It's not tough to see that the cop had a "I'mma show this rich boy punk what's up" attitude from the beginning. And he was totally goading the Ferrari guy by standing in front of the car. Zero professionalism in my opinion.

But I don't know what the Ferraridouche was thinking he was going to accomplish by actually moving the car with the cop in front of him. What did he think the outcome of his action was going to be?? If the report is true that he tried to grab the ticket book, then fuck him.

I hope the outcome is that the Ferraridouche gets every ticket written against him, and the obstruction charges. I hope the judge throws out the felony "assault" charge and gives the cop good a verbal lashing for acting like such an asshole.

[BrRsn]

lol @ these keyboard warriors saying the cop should lose his job.

I'd like to see how you'd react if someone blatantly disrespected you on the job (trying to grab the ticketbook from the cops hand, ignoring the cop's requests to standby to be issued the ticket) and then physically assaulted you. If someone ran over my foot I sure as hell would stop them on the spot, throw their door open, and yank them out. Cops don't give a fuck if you're driving a ferrari or a civic, the law is the law. You go against them and piss them off and disrespect them and you expect them to gingerly open your door like they're a chaffeur or valet?

Cop acted well within his power, all you're seeing is a clip of the ordeal. You have no context to base it on.

[Marco911]

Lose his job? Kinda far fetched don't you think? No one got hurt but the driver's ego and the Ferrari.

Faking an injury? Excessive force during the arrest? Losing control of the situation? Definitely grounds for him to lose his job. The cop was writing a citation for parking, it was not a moving violation. The driver is under no obligation to stay, which is why the officer tried to physically block him from leaving.

[Great68]

Faking an injury? Excessive force during the arrest? Losing control of the situation? Definitely grounds for him to lose his job. The cop was writing a citation for parking, it was not a moving violation. The driver is under no obligation to stay, which is why the officer tried to physically block him from leaving.

To be fair, the cop was also writing tickets for:

- Failing to display inspection/registration stickers
- No front license plate

I have no idea if someone in NY is obligated to stay for these infractions though.

[freakshow]

To be fair, the cop was also writing tickets for:

- Failing to display inspection/registration stickers
- No front license plate

I have no idea if someone in NY is obligated to stay for these infractions though.

If it's unclear whether not the vehicle is properly licensed, I would assume that you can't just drive away..

[Marco911]

To be fair, the cop was also writing tickets for:

- Failing to display inspection/registration stickers
- No front license plate

I have no idea if someone in NY is obligated to stay for these infractions though.

Those tickets go to the registered owner of the vehicle, not the driver. That's why the driver didn't have to give his driver's license. The ticket doesn't need to be served on the driver. If the driver didn't have to be at the scene in the first place (he could have walked away), neither does the car.

I really hope the idiot cop or his department gets sued for the damage to the Ferrari and for assaulting the driver.

[dangonay]

^ And how would the police officer be able to determine who the registered owner of the vehicle is without checking the registration papers? That requires access to the vehicle. A license plate isn't enough without some documentation to show that it actually belongs to the vehicle itself.

Some say he could call it in, but that takes way more time than simply looking at some papers. If he takes the plate down and lets the driver leave, what happens when he later runs the plate and finds it didn't belong to the car (it was stolen). Then what?

[AWDTurboLuvr]

Those tickets go to the registered owner of the vehicle, not the driver. That's why the driver didn't have to give his driver's license. The ticket doesn't need to be served on the driver. If the driver didn't have to be at the scene in the first place (he could have walked away), neither does the car.

I really hope the idiot cop or his department gets sued for the damage to the Ferrari and for assaulting the driver.

In the state of NY, you must show the registration papers and failure to do so will result in a ticket and you must be present to be served with that ticket. Parking tickets do not need to be served with offender present.

[NeoKaze92]

I don't give a fuck who it is or what car it is, the cop was just doing his job. If the guy had the right to park there he would've tried explaining to the cop and showing him the proper papers instead of being a douche the whole situation could've been avoided. At that point I think any human being would've reacted the same way if the guy tried to run over your foot.

[Redlines_Daily]

You guys still talking about this?? :lawl:

[Great68]

SumAznFag sure contributed a lot to this thread.

[Energy]

Gotta love people like that eh? Try as hard as you can to be fair and get your point across and still nothing. There's no point in reasoning with idiots and fools. Its like trying to argue evolution with a Christian fanatic.

[SumAznGuy]

SumAznFag sure contributed a lot to this thread.

:okay:

It's not tough to see that the cop had a "I'mma show this rich boy punk what's up" attitude from the beginning. And he was totally goading the Ferrari guy by standing in front of the car. Zero professionalism in my opinion.

But I don't know what the Ferraridouche was thinking he was going to accomplish by actually moving the car with the cop in front of him. What did he think the outcome of his action was going to be?? If the report is true that he tried to grab the ticket book, then fuck him.

I hope the outcome is that the Ferraridouche gets every ticket written against him, and the obstruction charges. I hope the judge throws out the felony "assault" charge and gives the cop good a verbal lashing for acting like such an asshole.

There really is nothing more for me to add to this discussion but hey, if it really put your panties in a knot then here it is.

First off, the officer stood in front of the car because he saw the driver get into the car and start it up. Even after standing in the way, the driver attempts to drive around the officer. This is clearly seen in the video.
I don't know where you get the cop has an attitude. I just don't see it.

As for what you wrote, first you start off with fuck the police, he is wrong attitude.
Then the next line you said fuck the driver if it is true he tried to grab the officer's pad.
Last paragraph you go back to the fuck the police attitude.
I failed your post for the last line. "I hope the judge throws out the felony "assault" charge and gives the cop good a verbal lashing for acting like such an asshole"

Gotta love people like that eh? Try as hard as you can to be fair and get your point across and still nothing. There's no point in reasoning with idiots and fools. Its like trying to argue evolution with a Christian fanatic.

Yeah, it's true. Figured you would have gotten the hint when I failed your post but alas, you still have the "cop over reacted" attitude.

Just for you Energy, so you have a post to fail.

After reading all the articles and watching the video, here is my take on it with a nuetral attitude.

Car is getting a ticket for some reason. Could be parking violation, could be missing front plate, or not having an inspection sticker. It doesn't matter.
The driver is seen getting into his car and starts it up. Officer steps in front/to the side of the car to block it from driving away.
Driver attempts to drive around the office and supposely runs over the foot of the officer.
All hell breaks loose and the driver is pulled out of the car, and in the process the car and a taxi is damaged.

So, if you were illegally parked on Robson after 3 pm and a parking enforcement person is trying to issue you a parking violation, would you wait for them to finish or get in your car and drive away?

If you were speeding down 41st ave and a cop jumps out from the bushes to pull you over for speeding, would you pull over or drive around the officer to get away?

I don't see these 2 scenario's being any different from from what happened to the driver.
He supposedly was told to wait on the sidewalk while the officer writes up a ticket. Could have been a parking ticket just like scenario one.
Driver tries to drive around the officer to leave, no different than scenario 2.

Supposedly the car ran over the officer's foot. Can't tell if that happened or didn't happen in the video, but already everyone who is anti police is already calling the officer a liar and faking the injury. :suspicious:

Did Burrows really bite Bergeron's finger? :concentrate:

[Energy]

I will fail you not because it gives me satisfaction but because you clearly haven't read anything I posted and yet believe you are right and I am wrong. You think I have a cop overreacted attitude when in fact I am being as neutral as you believe yourself to be. You will notice that I never once called the cop a liar or that he was faking.

- First, the driver is wrong there's no doubting that. Your asking me if I would leave if an officer is ticketing me is completely pointless and makes no sense. :fulloffuck:
- The cop placed himself in that scenario as others have already mentioned.
- Once the car allegedly ran over his foot he can choose to react in several different ways, in this case he exploded with the result causing damage to the Ferrari and the cab as well as getting into a physical confrontation with the driver. All of which could have been avoided had he stayed calm.
- Next you will probably say, "so what if you were the cop what would you have done?" which is also pointless because I am not a cop, don't have their training, and am not a public servant held to higher standards.

[SumAznGuy]

I will fail you not because it gives me satisfaction but because you clearly haven't read anything I posted and yet believe you are right and I am wrong. You think I have a cop overreacted attitude when in fact I am being as neutral as you believe yourself to be. You will notice that I never once called the cop a liar or that he was faking.

- First, the driver is wrong there's no doubting that. Your asking me if I would leave if an officer is ticketing me is completely pointless and makes no sense. :fulloffuck:
- The cop placed himself in that scenario as others have already mentioned.
- Once the car allegedly ran over his foot he can choose to react in several different ways, in this case he exploded with the result causing damage to the Ferrari and the cab as well as getting into a physical confrontation with the driver. All of which could have been avoided had he stayed calm.
- Next you will probably say, "so what if you were the cop what would you have done?" which is also pointless because I am not a cop, don't have their training, and am not a public servant held to higher standards.

Learn to read. I never said you said that. I'm asking you if you would leave to add to my point that the driver was wrong for trying to leave.
The cop placed himself in that scenario when he chose to become a cop. Or was it because he decided to give that guy a ticket? Or are we talking about him standing in front of the car to keep the driver from leaving?

The officer supposedly told the driver to stay on the sidewalk.
He stood in front/side of the car to keep the car from leaving. The driver chose to ignore this and tried to drive around the officer where supposedly the left front tire ran over the officer's foot.

Let's look at how much force was used in this situation. The driver in a car tried to drive around the officer. That person is considered not being co-operative. He supposedly runs over the officers foot. So you are basically saying the cop is supposed to open the door slowly and ask the driver to get out of the car and lay on the ground?

Let's look at your last point. So you are not a cop and never had any training whatsoever.
What would you do if while parking, I hit your car and do a lot of damage to the side of your car and then I proceed to try to leave.
If you said you'd go apeshit, pull me out of the car and give me an earfull, I wouldn't say you are over reacting.

Would it have been excessive force if the officer pulled out his gun and pointed it at the driver asking him to get out of his car. Oh right, you believe that was the better choice.

[Energy]

No you learn to read. I've already answered all your points.

What I would do doesn't matter exactly because I am not a cop and for the reasons I posted above. So one normal guy runs over another citizens foot. What does the injured foot guy do? Like I said before, he will probably act like an uncivilized cavemen and kick the guys car or something. That doesn't make it right. A better man would leave it and report it to the police instead of taking matters into their own hands. Why does everything have to be so eye for an eye?

A cop has other options. He can do what you said, open the door slowly and tell the driver to get out. Or he could pull out his handgun and tell the guy to get out. That is not excessive force. The cop is now creating a situation within his authority that shows he is in control where there does not have to be any damage or physical altercation.

[SumAznGuy]

A cop has other options. He can do what you said, open the door slowly and tell the driver to get out. Or he could pull out his handgun and tell the guy to get out. That is not excessive force. The cop is now creating a situation within his authority that shows he is in control where there does not have to be any damage or physical altercation.

And farts smell like roses and there are 72 virgins waiting for you at the end of the tunnel.

You say you have no police training yet here you are critiquing them and what they should have or shouldn't have done. :suspicious:

[Energy]

Do you actually believe pulling out a gun has to result in any damage? If ever it will end the situation faster and in a more peaceful manner.

I think it's the shooting part that would cause damage. And it will never come to that unless the driver gets out and attacks the cop. Then that is just natural selection and I have nothing to say.

Do you have police training? Oh wait you don't. How can you say that what the cop did is proper procedure either?

[SumAznGuy]

Do you actually believe pulling out a gun has to result in any damage? If ever it will end the situation faster and in a more peaceful manner.

I think it's the shooting part that would cause damage. And it will never come to that unless the driver gets out and attacks the cop. Then that is just natural selection and I have nothing to say.

Do you have police training? Oh wait you don't. How can you say that what the cop did is proper procedure either?


Let's see. Pull your side arm out in a public area where there are lots of people around you. Yes, the situation get's resolved much faster.
You know what happens when you pull out your side arm in a public area with a lot of people?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0r86g0RNr1qa1zvj.jpg

[Energy]

And when did I say I don't?

Let's see. Pull your side arm out in a public area where there are lots of people around you. Yes, the situation get's resolved much faster.
You know what happens when you pull out your side arm in a public area with a lot of people?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0r86g0RNr1qa1zvj.jpg

Ok I'm losing you... so you agree that the situation will be resolved quickly and with no damage. Then what's the problem?

Shit just got real??? What does that even mean?

So you said the situation is resolved and yet you still expect shit to get real? Real as in no commotion and you have the guy, everybody just goes back to whatever they were doing before and this doesn't explode over the internet? Sounds good to me.

[GLOW]

shit just got real - meaning once you introduce the fire-arm in to the situation, a lot can happen with a gun added to the mix, and the situation would have been elevated to another level. i would think the officer would only want to pull out his pistol when absolutely necessary especially with a bunch of bystanders near by. at least that's my opinion, i'm not a cop so i don't know what an officer's protocols are.

[Energy]

Tough one, the situation can get better and it can also get worse. Pulling out your gun doesn't mean you have to use it though. Any sensible person will know that the cop is serious unless that person has a death wish. And a rich playboy will likely not risk injury or his life for that. Think of all the money he can't enjoy if he's dead.

[GLOW]

in the heat of the moment the ferrari guy might not have thought of the consequences like that....

i can picture him getting out of his car and doing the come at me bro :lawl:

[Energy]

Lol well he deserves to get shot then.

[Great68]

: This is clearly seen in the video.
I don't know where you get the cop has an attitude. I just don't see it.
:

Are you watching the same fucking video I am?

If the cop was acting with true professionalism he simply would have verbally told the owner to stay put, and then warned that by not doing so he could take further action for obstruction.

I saw no such warning in this video.

Instead the cop chose the confrontational asshole approach of standing in front of the car in a "what you gonna do now" approach, goading (Maybe your pea brain did not understand this word in my previous post, definition: Provoke or annoy (someone) so as to stimulate some action or reaction.) the Ferrari owner.

That key difference in how the situation could have been handled is what separates the good cops from the bad ones.

[knight604]

:haha:

:Popcorn

[Not really racist!]

wow he finally posts...

thread revival

[Energy]

Are you watching the same fucking video I am?

If the cop was acting with true professionalism he simply would have verbally told the owner to stay put, and then warned that by not doing so he could take further action for obstruction.

I saw no such warning in this video.

Instead the cop chose the confrontational asshole approach of standing in front of the car in a "what you gonna do now" approach, goading (Maybe your pea brain did not understand this word in my previous post, definition: Provoke or annoy (someone) so as to stimulate some action or reaction.) the Ferrari owner.

That key difference in how the situation could have been handled is what separates the good cops from the bad ones.

Exactly.

wow he finally posts...

thread revival

Yup and I'm not impressed. He obviously spent more time failing people instead of reading and thinking. He just made me repeat myself over and over again and his rebuttals are a complete fail. Nothing new was added and he is just grasping at straws trying to make his point sound even a little bit convincing.

[Spectre_Cdn]

I will fail you not because it gives me satisfaction but because you clearly haven't read anything I posted and yet believe you are right and I am wrong.

what's right and wrong about these posts that occurred before SumAznGuy finally posted in this thread? :derp:



:ahwow:
le fail-retaliation

[Energy]

Well if he's going to randomly fail every single post I make without reading or saying anything then what's stopping me from doing the same thing?

But you'll see that we were finally able to talk about this with no BS fails. That's how it should have been in the first place but he took his time not reading and thinking.

[Marco911]

^ And how would the police officer be able to determine who the registered owner of the vehicle is without checking the registration papers? That requires access to the vehicle. A license plate isn't enough without some documentation to show that it actually belongs to the vehicle itself.

Sorry, this makes no sense whatsoever. A cop could have wrote out that ticket for a car that is parked. There is no requirement for either a driver, or the registration papers. Did you see the cop asking the driver for his D/L or or registration papers? NO. He wanted to write out his little ticket and place it on the windshield of the car.


Some say he could call it in, but that takes way more time than simply looking at some papers. If he takes the plate down and lets the driver leave, what happens when he later runs the plate and finds it didn't belong to the car (it was stolen). Then what?

Call it in as a car running stolen plates, perhaps? If the offenses are to be served on the REGISTERED OWNER of the vehicle, rather than who happens to be driving the vehicle at the time, the driver of the vehicle is under no obligation to stay, provide his d/l, or the car's registration papers while the officer is writing out his ticket.

[SumAznGuy]

Yup and I'm not impressed. He obviously spent more time failing people instead of reading and thinking. He just made me repeat myself over and over again and his rebuttals are a complete fail. Nothing new was added and he is just grasping at straws trying to make his point sound even a little bit convincing.

Tough one, the situation can get better and it can also get worse. Pulling out your gun doesn't mean you have to use it though. Any sensible person will know that the cop is serious unless that person has a death wish. And a rich playboy will likely not risk injury or his life for that. Think of all the money he can't enjoy if he's dead.

You claim you have no police training and yet you are here giving your 2 cents on what you think the cop should have done. Look at Glow's response and then look your response. He gave a very good response to what I meant when shit just got real and here you are down playing it with it can go either way.

Just think about it for a sec, the police have protocols set in place for the amount of force they are allowed to use based on the given circumstance.
This is a fact, no some crazy shit that I just made up in my mind.


Are you watching the same fucking video I am?

If the cop was acting with true professionalism he simply would have verbally told the owner to stay put, and then warned that by not doing so he could take further action for obstruction.

I saw no such warning in this video.

Instead the cop chose the confrontational asshole approach of standing in front of the car in a "what you gonna do now" approach, goading (Maybe your pea brain did not understand this word in my previous post, definition: Provoke or annoy (someone) so as to stimulate some action or reaction.) the Ferrari owner.

That key difference in how the situation could have been handled is what separates the good cops from the bad ones.

Again, what video are you watching? I see an officer standing in front of the car to block the car while he continued to write a ticket. I see no gestures with his hands to "goad" the driver or challenge the driver to run him over.
I agree with the last sentence though. He should have asked the driver to step out of the vehicle and possibly restrain him when he got into it the car and started it up.

But I would have expected better from you than to do such personal attacks.

[nabs]

:failed:

[Energy]

You claim you have no police training and yet you are here giving your 2 cents on what you think the cop should have done. Look at Glow's response and then look your response. He gave a very good response to what I meant when shit just got real and here you are down playing it with it can go either way.

Just think about it for a sec, the police have protocols set in place for the amount of force they are allowed to use based on the given circumstance.
This is a fact, no some crazy shit that I just made up in my mind.


You too are giving your own 2 cents on what the cop should have done even if you also have no police training. His use of force in this case was not justified either.

And again you are missing the point... Pulling out his handgun is just one other option he has instead of overreacting. Also drawing gun =/= using gun. Any reasonable person will listen right away unlike in that other thread where the guy had a knife and was high.

[SumAznGuy]

You too are giving your own 2 cents on what the cop should have done even if you also have no police training. His use of force in this case was not justified either.

And again you are missing the point... Pulling out his handgun is just one other option he has instead of overreacting. Also drawing gun =/= using gun. Any reasonable person will listen right away unlike in that other thread where the guy had a knife and was high.

:okay:

Please explain why you think him pulling the guy out of the car and taking him to the ground is not justified use of force?

Let's forget that the car was a Ferarri and a taxi was damaged in the process of pulling the driver out of the car. Just the act of pulling the driver out of the car because the driver did not obey orders and supposedly ran over the officer's foot when the driver tried to drive around the officer.

[Energy]

Please explain why you think him pulling the guy out of the car and taking him to the ground is not justified use of force?


Because the driver could have done that himself the result being no damage to any property and no need for direct physical confrontation. Just because the cop can pull him out doesn't mean he needs to.




Let's forget that the car was a Ferarri and a taxi was damaged in the process of pulling the driver out of the car. Just the act of pulling the driver out of the car because the driver did not obey orders and supposedly ran over the officer's foot when the driver tried to drive around the officer.

You cannot just simplify it like that. The car could be a Civic instead of a Ferrari and it doesn't change anything because its the principle of the matter that is at stake. And we cannot just leave that out because that is a direct effect of what the cop did.

Why do you think pulling him out and taking him to the ground is justified while also taking into account the effects of that action in this case?

[SumAznGuy]

Because the driver could have done that himself the result being no damage to any property and no need for direct physical confrontation. Just because the cop can pull him out doesn't mean he needs to.

The driver gave up this option when he decided to drive around the officer and the car made contact with the officer.

Again, I bring back the would you drive around an officer if he stepped out of the bushes to pull you over scenario.

In this case, he hopped into his car and started it up. At that point, and only that point the officer should have asked the driver to get out of the car. The officer decided to step in front of the car to keep the driver from driving away.

And this is based on not knowing the officer had asked the driver to wait on the sidewalk which was not recored in the video, in which case it meant he was given a warning already.

You cannot just simplify it like that. The car could be a Civic instead of a Ferrari and it doesn't change anything because its the principle of the matter that is at stake. And we cannot just leave that out because that is a direct effect of what the cop did.

Why do you think pulling him out and taking him to the ground is justified while also taking into account the effects of that action in this case?

:suspicious:

Hind sight is always 20/20. The driver disregarded instructions and attempted to drive away while the officer was clearly standing in front of the car. While it is unfortunate the taxi was damaged in the extraction process, you also have to think about the officer's safety as well.

http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/manuals/vpd-manual-regulations-procedures.pdf

Section 1.2 Use of force. Give this a read and then come back here and let us know if you change your opinion about using the gun.

[Energy]

The driver gave up this option when he decided to drive around the officer and the car made contact with the officer.

Again, I bring back the would you drive around an officer if he stepped out of the bushes to pull you over scenario.

In this case, he hopped into his car and started it up. At that point, and only that point the officer should have asked the driver to get out of the car. The officer decided to step in front of the car to keep the driver from driving away.


I don't understand why you keep asking me what I would do when that has nothing to do with this. What the driver did is wrong and nothing will change that. Would I do what he did? Maybe I would and maybe I wouldn't.

Excellent, you are now pointing out an earlier chance when this could have been settled before escalating. The officer could have asked the driver to get out of the car instead of just standing there and writing the ticket. Moving in front of the car (if the driver even noticed) is already provoking the driver as others have mentioned in this thread. Its like the cop is saying, "Yeah, now what you going to do?"


:suspicious:

Hind sight is always 20/20. The driver disregarded instructions and attempted to drive away while the officer was clearly standing in front of the car. While it is unfortunate the taxi was damaged in the extraction process, you also have to think about the officer's safety as well.

http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/manuals/vpd-manual-regulations-procedures.pdf

Section 1.2 Use of force. Give this a read and then come back here and let us know if you change your opinion about using the gun.

I'm sure you know that gun regulations are very different in the US and in Canada but I'll indulge you. And what officer safety are you talking about? If ever the car even made contact with the officer's foot it would have been the tire meeting his boot and not even going over it.

THIS PROCEDURE IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW. MEMBERS ARE DIRECTED TO FOLLOW THEIR SBOR
TRAINING INSTRUCTIONS REGARDING THE REPORTING OF USE OF FORCE.
POLICY

PROCEDURE
Firearms/Lethal Force
1. Members may discharge their firearms if it is reasonable and necessary to do so and in accordance with the
protections and authorizations provided by Section 25 of the Criminal Code (Canada).
2. The seriousness of the offence does not in itself justify the use of firearms in the pursuit of suspects, unless:
a. the member is, or is about to be, or has been fired upon, or the suspect has already killed or wounded
someone;
b. the member is satisfied nothing less than deadly force will stop the fugitive or prevent their escape;
and
c. the lives or safety of innocent persons will not be jeopardized.
3. Members shall not discharge a firearm at a vehicle in an attempt to disable it. Members are justified with using
an appropriate level of force, including deadly force, against the occupant(s) of a vehicle if it is to prevent
grievous bodily harm or death to himself or herself or another person, and it is the least violent means
available.
4. The discharge of a firearm as a warning shot is prohibited.

Again and again you seem to equate drawing a gun to using a gun. You'll notice that this literature you brought up specifically talks about the "discharge" of a firearm. The sight and threat of a handgun should be enough to get the driver to comply. And again, if he does not comply then that is the driver's doing and then we would be arguing a completely different point.

Also, the handgun isn't the issue here. That was merely one suggested alternative that could have resulted in a better ending. My point is there are other ways the officer could have handled this situation - others have pointed out other options in this thread and you pointed out as well an opportunity where the cop had a chance to talk to the driver when he started the car.

The idea you are not understanding is that there are alternatives had the cop stayed calm.

You seem to believe that what the cop did was perfectly fine, am I right? I believe that this could have been handled differently, with more professionalism and restraint.

I don't think either of us is budging so we can just agree to disagree.