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: Looking for any witnesses (Accident @ 41st & Vic)

pinn3r
10-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Time & Date: Sunday, October 14 between 7:15PM to 7:45PM
Location: 41st Avenue & Victoria Drive
Vehicles involved: 1993 black Toyota Camry (my dad's car) & a silver 4x4 (all my dad could remember)

What happened: My dad was heading north up Victoria Drive and was making a left on 41st Ave towards Oakridge when the traffic light turned yellow, but the guy coming from the opposite direction (south down Victoria) decided to speed up (went 60-70km) to get past it and crashed into my dad's vehicle nearly head-on (passenger side corner).
My dad suffered from a fractured wrist, sprained shoulder, a concussion, and had some glass shards cut up his left hand. He was admitted into the hospital for a day.
Fire fighters arrived at the scene and had to cut the driver's side door open to get my dad out.
The other person did not suffer from any injuries.

Apparently the other guy told the police it was my dad's fault. My dad's been driving for 30+ years and has only been in 2 other accidents (none were of his fault), so I doubt it could've been my dad's mistake.

If anybody has any information or was there/driving by there that night, please contact me. It would be very much appreciated and would help a ton.

Thank you in advance
AW607
10-15-2012, 08:05 PM
Shit dude, sounds terrible... wish I could be a witness :( I wish you luck, hope your dad's doing alright!
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Prolowtone
10-15-2012, 08:05 PM
good luck with getting a witness. Only way your dad will get out of being at fault is if the guy entered the intersection when the light was red. The guy may have run a stale yellow but your dad still did not take the extra time to see that it was safe to enter the intersection (see if oncoming traffic was stopping or not). Best of luck but i think it might be 25/75 unless there is proof to help your dad
pinn3r
10-15-2012, 08:31 PM
good luck with getting a witness. Only way your dad will get out of being at fault is if the guy entered the intersection when the light was red. The guy may have run a stale yellow but your dad still did not take the extra time to see that it was safe to enter the intersection (see if oncoming traffic was stopping or not). Best of luck but i think it might be 25/75 unless there is proof to help your dad

Yeah it was pouring last night and vision was pretty limited, but the other guy should've chilled it and not attempt to beat a yellow, especially in that kind of weather
Thanks though
hchang
10-15-2012, 08:31 PM
Sorry to say but left hand turners are 99% of the time always at fault, even if the light was red and you have a witness willing to testify, it'll still be 75/25 as mentioned earlier at best.
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Jobo
10-15-2012, 08:39 PM
drove by the scene yesterday night. Looked horrific. Hope your dad is okay, but yeah left hand turners are almost always at fault
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Nvasion
10-15-2012, 08:40 PM
hope you find a witness!

hope your dad gets better!
H.Specter
10-15-2012, 08:41 PM
from what you described your dad is at fault.
dared3vil0
10-15-2012, 08:41 PM
Left hand turns are ALMOST as cut and dried as rear ending someone... Sorry bro :(
pinn3r
10-15-2012, 08:44 PM
:okay:
Guess my dad will just have to deal with it, how unfortunate
Thanks for the insight guys!
DavidNguyen
10-15-2012, 08:45 PM
Oh damn that was your dad. I drove by that intersection and saw the aftermath. I hope your father has a quick recovery.
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kakucaekz
10-15-2012, 09:12 PM
Sorry to say but left hand turners are 99% of the time always at fault, even if the light was red and you have a witness willing to testify, it'll still be 75/25 as mentioned earlier at best.
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Eh, then why didn't that happen to me? I ran an early yellow going speed limit, got smacked by the guy turning left. Witness said I ran the red, and I was put 100% at fault.


OP, hope your dad is okay, sounds like a bad accident.
SpeedStars
10-15-2012, 09:36 PM
Get a witness bro, your dad isn't at fault, but it may not be 100% the other guy's fault either. Visibility was an issue and since the road was pretty wet that day, oil and water create a slippery surface. Left turns are somewhat tricky, but from what you described, sounded like the guy wanted to slip pass the yellow and probably didn't see your dad's car - Your dad may have been in his blind spot ( ie: A car may have blocked their view). Anyways, be sure to get an attorney ( if the dude plays stupid and blames your dad ) or check up on some security cams if they'll let you (mcdonalds might :P)

Edit: Was it something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=puO00_Ml9Fk
@0:39
Harvey Specter
10-15-2012, 09:50 PM
Damn that sucks, hopefully your dad makes a full recovery and it's nothing too serious.
dink
10-15-2012, 10:10 PM
If only the accident happened earlier innthe afternoon. 41st and Victoria is the mini Chinatown area and the people around there are mostly regular c-lais buying groceries. Post up ads looking for a witness.
Jayboogz
10-15-2012, 10:26 PM
hey this could be a long shot but maybe try asking banks in the surrounding area to provide their front door cam vids? or the businesses in that corner?
Carl Johnson
10-15-2012, 10:28 PM
drove by the scene yesterday night. Looked horrific. Hope your dad is okay, but yeah left hand turners are almost always at fault
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i got into an accident where i was left turning and the guy ran a red light. witness said in the police report the light was yellow. i fought long and hard in the end only got 25% fault.
pinn3r
10-15-2012, 10:48 PM
Get a witness bro, your dad isn't at fault, but it may not be 100% the other guy's fault either. Visibility was an issue and since the road was pretty wet that day, oil and water create a slippery surface. Left turns are somewhat tricky, but from what you described, sounded like the guy wanted to slip pass the yellow and probably didn't see your dad's car - Your dad may have been in his blind spot ( ie: A car may have blocked their view). Anyways, be sure to get an attorney ( if the dude plays stupid and blames your dad ) or check up on some security cams if they'll let you (mcdonalds might :P)

Edit: Was it something like this?
Red Light Camera Intersection Accidents - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=puO00_Ml9Fk)
@0:39

Yeah the accident looks similar, but the crash was on a much larger scale + the guy tried to rush through the yellow

man thank you guys so much, i'll be sure to check in with the businesses around there
dutd33
10-15-2012, 10:52 PM
hey this could be a long shot but maybe try asking banks in the surrounding area to provide their front door cam vids? or the businesses in that corner?

There's a CIBC and a BMO on the corners there. Also isn't there a traffic red-light traffic cam on the BMO side of Victoria? Perhaps consult a lawyer and see if they can request that info.

Hope your dad recovers fast and everything is alright.
snowball
10-15-2012, 10:53 PM
If he's really been driving 30 years without an at-fault accident, it means he's deep in roadstar status and his insurance won't go up. Any lawsuits will be handled by ICBC.
dlo
10-15-2012, 10:57 PM
visibility would play a big factor in the car accident, if you are able to prove that he was actually speeding in those weather conditions also, he would be put at some fault too, i hope your father a speedy recovery and hope this doesnt stress yall too much
CharlieH
10-15-2012, 11:50 PM
If he's really been driving 30 years without an at-fault accident, it means he's deep in roadstar status and his insurance won't go up. Any lawsuits will be handled by ICBC.

only thing is he could miss out on a lot of money from an injury claim if it was the other guy's fault. broken wrist and a concussion sound pretty god damn painful. hopefully no serious neck/back injuries surface in the next few days. good luck OP.
Vale46Rossi
10-16-2012, 12:23 AM
only thing is he could miss out on a lot of money from an injury claim if it was the other guy's fault. broken wrist and a concussion sound pretty god damn painful. hopefully no serious neck/back injuries surface in the next few days. good luck OP.


my friend has something similar but luckily he got a witness after a 2 year lawsuit he got 40k from ICBC
buddha1
10-16-2012, 08:35 AM
damn man i was sitting in tea works when it happened. I didn't see the accident happen but I saw everything afterwards. hope your dads alright.
Expresso
10-16-2012, 08:38 AM
Hoping for a speedy recovery for your dad. Been through the left turn thing, never ends well for the turner. :(o
twitchyzero
10-16-2012, 08:55 AM
post some witness wanted signs nearby...there's bound to be people who saw it.
snails
10-16-2012, 09:05 AM
driving as long as he has clean of accidents caused by him icbc should cover the accident and injuries and his rates not be touched if im not mistaken?

i might be thinking of different insurance "american" if not
dutd33
10-17-2012, 08:03 PM
driving as long as he has clean of accidents caused by him icbc should cover the accident and injuries and his rates not be touched if im not mistaken?

i might be thinking of different insurance "american" if not

If he is found at fault, I believe he will lose his RoadStar status and his rates would slightly go up.
kkttsang
10-17-2012, 08:49 PM
glad your dad is ok, thats the main thing, car can be replace. speedy recovery to your dad.
freakshow
10-17-2012, 09:09 PM
If he is found at fault, I believe he will lose his RoadStar status and his rates would slightly go up.

It depends on his position on the CSR. If he is high enough, his rates won't go up at all.
westopher
10-17-2012, 11:03 PM
Unfortunately, even though it was dangerous for the person to run a stale yellow, the law is pretty cut and dry with left turns. Hope your Dad feels better quickly. If it is his fault, not to worry, thats what insurance is for. All that matters is no one is seriously hurt. Those accidents can get REAL bad. Especially on a st. like oak where everyone speeds.