[dared3vil0]

EDIT: I got stuck up on Seymour skiing with a buddy today... T4RAWR i need your phone number. :( What kind of beer do you drink again?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-35.png

I decided to head up seymour and see how the new snowies are in the snow, There was about 2-3 inches of snow on the road, and about 8-10 at the top in the parking lot:
Top:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-23.jpg

Road, Halfway up:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-24.png

Lowest gravel parking lot (1/2 way up)
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-25.jpg

Snow tires are brand new Hankook i*cept evo w310, in 215/45/17. For a performance snow which handles about as well as a good all season in the dry, They do quite well in the snow imho, On the road up, 2-3 inches it felt perfect, Very good control... I stopped and started with minimal wheel spin on a fairly steep Seymour hill, Only ran into some trouble once i got to the top and stopped in some foot deep drifts... I suspect ground clearence (lack of it) was also a big factor in this however, Some wheel spin and I was out. On the way down, Even fairly hard braking yielded great results, with minimal anti lock. Great overall tire for the money! Highly reccomended by me... (140/corner) Car is an 07 Civic Si.

P.S: To the idiot in the newer prius obviously running crappy all seasons/summers, put on Winters or don't come up the Mountain... Or at the very least try not to come so close to sliding into me...

[hopalong]

Was this you that someone posted in the shitty/dangerous driver thread???

Neon driving in circles in the snow... fail - YouTubj

[dared3vil0]

Was this you that someone posted in the shitty/dangerous driver thread???

Neon driving in circles in the snow... fail - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVtPNQipxA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

If i could fail you i would... It clearly says "NEON" in the title of the video, and you can see "Si" emblazed on the seats in the picture, aswell as neons don't have a digital speedo. Plus, I know where my handbrake is, If i wanted to do that. You won't see me driving in circles. :failed:

[hopalong]

Neons have round lights. Original op of vid could be wrong. But still cool story bro. Worth starting a new thread.

[dared3vil0]

Neons have round lights. Original op of vid could be wrong. But still cool story bro. Worth starting a new thread.

Go shit on someone else's thread, What the hell is your problem?

[Glove]

can not fap to this

[BMW M5]

Go up Seymour in a Civic, pitch darkness and snowing just to try out the snow tires. I would not put myself in a situation like that unless I have to. So smart...

[hopalong]

I just simply asked if it was you. Simple question that got you all butt hurt. you could of just said no it wasn't you.

[dared3vil0]

Go up Seymour in a Civic, pitch darkness and snowing just to try out the snow tires. I would not put myself in a situation like that unless I have to. So smart...

It was fun, I drove carefully, All good. :)

[Sky_High]

Only ran into some trouble once i got to the top and stopped in some foot deep drifts... I suspect ground clearence (lack of it) was also a big factor in this however, Some wheel spin and I was out.

You sure? Your Civic Si seems to be on 4X4 mode already :troll:

[dared3vil0]

You sure? Your Civic Si seems to be on 4X4 mode already :troll:

:okay: Yes, Yes, It needs a drop :D Spring/Summer.

[ruthless]

Go up Seymour in a Civic, pitch darkness and snowing just to try out the snow tires. I would not put myself in a situation like that unless I have to. So smart...

It was fun, I drove carefully, All good. :)

Not trying to shit on your thread, but a majority of the time its other drivers you have to be careful of, the ones that are not prepared to handle the adverse weather conditions. For example that prius driver that almost slid into you. None the less I'm sure you had fun :)

was it easy to slide the back out? :fullofwin:

[dared3vil0]

Not trying to shit on your thread, but a majority of the time its other drivers you have to be careful of, the ones that are not prepared to handle the adverse weather conditions. For example that prius driver that almost slid into you. None the less I'm sure you had fun :)

was it easy to slide the back out? :fullofwin:

You are right, Avoiding everyone else is 80% of driving. And yes, The back came out effortlessly with a tad bit of e-brake.

[smoothie.]

Fuck all you haters.

When it snows here I go up to sfu every year to play in fresh parking lots.

Drive safe and have fun OP, you got my support :alonehappy:
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[dared3vil0]

Fuck all you haters.

When it snows here I go up to sfu every year to play in fresh parking lots.

Drive safe and have fun OP, you got my support :alonehappy:
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Thank you. :thumbs:

[donjalapeno]

x2 Hankooks are awesome tires for the money, i just go all season ventus V2 and their awesome so far.

[FN-2199]

To the OP, good on you for going out there and testing your setup. Not a lot of drivers know how to handle themselves in snow, and the best way is to practice in an empty lot.
I wouldn't have gone up there in the dark myself but hey, when you're excited, why not?

Not trying to shit on your thread, but a majority of the time its other drivers you have to be careful of, the ones that are not prepared to handle the adverse weather conditions. For example that prius driver that almost slid into you. None the less I'm sure you had fun :)

was it easy to slide the back out? :fullofwin:

I couldn't exit this thread because I couldn't stop looking at your avatar. :whistle:

[flagella]

Fuck all you haters.

When it snows here I go up to sfu every year to play in fresh parking lots.

Drive safe and have fun OP, you got my support :alonehappy:
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Rofl, I somehow read this thinking it was the guy in the profile pic speaking.

[KO7]

I got a 2010 Si, will be mounting 215/45/17 General Altimax Artics this Saturday on 06-08' Si rims, now you got me thinking of going up to Seymour too to test em out. :considered:

[european]

So much snow on Cypress already! daaang. looks like fun. Sweet winter tires. Looks like you're ready for winter. I wanna make a snow man now :(

[dared3vil0]

I got a 2010 Si, will be mounting 215/45/17 General Altimax Artics this Saturday on 06-08' Si rims, now you got me thinking of going up to Seymour too to test em out. :considered:

Altimax's are monsters in the snow, Just suck in the dry... Hmm... Maybe next snow day we should do a K20 seymour run? Anyone else interested? :considered:

[T4RAWR]

i wouldnt mind tagging along up the mountain. i can bring shackles and recovery straps for those of you who wind up in a ditch :fullofwin:

[dared3vil0]

i wouldnt mind tagging along up the mountain. i can bring shackles and recovery straps for those of you who wind up in a ditch :fullofwin:

LOL, If there's a bunch of snow that would be helpful, i can see myself getting stuck quite easily if there's more than a foot. Perhaps we should create something in the social meets? INFACT, There's supposed to be a dumping saturday...

[T4RAWR]

:thumbs:

[TypeRNammer]

I got a 2010 Si, will be mounting 215/45/17 General Altimax Artics this Saturday on 06-08' Si rims, now you got me thinking of going up to Seymour too to test em out. :considered:

General Altimax will rip through deep snow with no sweat.

[Harvey Specter]

Isn't it too soon for snow tires for city driving? I mean hell we only get a week or two max of snow every winter in the city.

[TOS'd]

Winter tires work best at 7 degrees and under, doesn't necessarily need to have snow on the ground to use them effectively.

[westopher]

Isn't it too soon for snow tires for city driving? I mean hell we only get a week or two max of snow every winter in the city.
Mountains are opening right away. Those of us that plan on being at them know you don't want to get caught with your pants down. Whistler opened up like 2 weeks early last year, and I was sure glad I could be there for opening day instead of pussyfooting there worrying that my 35 series z rated tires were gonna cut loose on me.

[Eff-1]

Comparing SFU to Seymour is apples to oranges. I used to work on Mount Seymour and drive that road frequently day and night so I know how bad the road conditions can get and how they change quickly.

They don't take very good care of the road during this time of year (no salting or sanding, you'd be lucky to see a plow at best). Throw in the fact there's zero light, constant risk of fog and poor visibility, plus the top of the mountain is basically abandoned at night except for one guy who lives up there.

If the OP ended up getting stuck or in the ditch, everyone here would be singing a different tune.

[dared3vil0]

Comparing SFU to Seymour is apples to oranges. I used to work on Mount Seymour and drive that road frequently day and night so I know how bad the road conditions can get and how they change quickly.

They don't take very good care of the road during this time of year (no salting or sanding, you'd be lucky to see a plow at best). Throw in the fact there's zero light, constant risk of fog and poor visibility, plus the top of the mountain is basically abandoned at night except for one guy who lives up there.

If the OP ended up getting stuck or in the ditch, everyone here would be singing a different tune.

I should just point out that this was at like 5:00PM... Not the middle of the night. So AFAIK there was still people working up there...

[skylinergtr]

where did all this change of subject come from?

last year I went up to cypress at night to test my volvo and its new snowies. I didn't drive like a douche. Just wanted to make sure control and braking was in order. I've also done the same with other cars to make sure they are suitable for winter. Heck, might even try it this soon with a 4x4.

[westopher]

I don't know why some people seem to think driving in the snow is an automatic death wish. I guess its a lot different to me as I grew up driving in blizzard conditions more often than those that grew up here even drove in a light skiff probably. Its funny though people lecturing this guy for going and feeling what his car is like in the snow. Its nice to know before you are around a bunch of other cars/people that have no idea.

[T4RAWR]

shovel, chains, mountain-snowflake rated all-terrains, recovery strap and shackles.

ready to go :fullofwin:

[NLY]

I don't know why some people seem to think driving in the snow is an automatic death wish. I guess its a lot different to me as I grew up driving in blizzard conditions more often than those that grew up here even drove in a light skiff probably. Its funny though people lecturing this guy for going and feeling what his car is like in the snow. Its nice to know before you are around a bunch of other cars/people that have no idea.

Agreed. If you think driving up in Seymour/SFU is bad, you are definitely sheltered. In Manitoba, the snow covers the entire wheel and up to the fenders.

Driving in "Vancouver winters" is extremely manageable as long as you're not an idiot and have some common sense.

[E.D.C.5]

shovel, chains, mountain-snowflake rated all-terrains, recovery strap and shackles.

ready to go :fullofwin:

lmk when you're heading up to save someone. :fullofwin:

[Groot]

i just hope none of this shit happens lol
Deadly 500HP Evo Accident - YouTube

[T4RAWR]

^guy was relatively unscathed compared to the ford flex. good reaction and maneuver by the driver.

[nns]

I was expecting that semi truck to do some smashing.

[T4RAWR]

up on cypress picking up my season pass

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/407994_914822028323_307531486_n.jpg

[Qmx323]

^ damn man, zombie apocalypse ready

[T4RAWR]

^ damn man, zombie apocalypse ready

thanks. :thumbs:

not quite there yet though.

needs a lift, sliders, skids, front and rear winch, snorkel, winch bumper, rear tire carrier, rear bumper, dual battery setup, etc etc etc :fullofwin:


super fun to drive the way it is right now though. everything will come slowly with time and some money lol. :concentrate:

[Mancini]

Go up Seymour in a Civic, pitch darkness and snowing just to try out the snow tires. I would not put myself in a situation like that unless I have to. So smart...

Where do you think people go when they do mountain sports? 90% of my snowboarding was in the dark after work.
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[dared3vil0]

Seymour again. Civic Si Snow plow? :troll: (Bumper was pushing 6 inches of snow)

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-26.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-27.jpg

[T4RAWR]

looks like seymor is getting more snow than cypress? :suspicious:

gonna have to go up there for a bit of fun.

[dared3vil0]

looks like seymor is getting more snow than cypress? :suspicious:

gonna have to go up there for a bit of fun.

Seymour ALWAYS gets more, Cypress is farther west (Warmer) and while cypress has a higher peak, Seymour's parking area/lodge is like 400 Feet higher.

[FerrariEnzo]

i just hope none of this shit happens lol
Deadly 500HP Evo Accident - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhVGeIgLdlI)

holy that Semi is deadly.. the speed it was going at as it went past the evo... Im sure there are lots of cars that got in its way..

[Fafine]

i just hope none of this shit happens lol
Deadly 500HP Evo Accident - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhVGeIgLdlI)

holyfuck

[T4RAWR]

Seymour again. Civic Si Snow plow? :troll: (Bumper was pushing 6 inches of snow)

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-26.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-27.jpg

i think i woulda made it through ok :fullofwin:

[LuHua]

^I'd be worried if you had any trouble, the rest of us would be screwed lol.

Just picked up my Altimax Arctics from TRS; $352 from Discount Tire Direct and didn't get charged at the border either. Dropping by TSS tomorrow for mounting, can't wait to try them out. The sidewall is hella soft though.

[dared3vil0]

EDIT: I got stuck up on Seymour skiing with a buddy today... T4RAWR i need your phone number. :( What kind of beer do you drink again?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-35.png

[T4RAWR]

do you have chains?

i suggest picking up the following to add to your civic's tool kit.

Telescopic Winter Shovel | Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2/OutdoorLiving/SnowRemoval/SnowShovels/PRD~0596912P/Telescopic+Winter+Shovel.jsp?locale=en)

NASCAR Tow Truck in a Box, Wide-Track Size | Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/VehicleAccessories/TruckAccessories/PRDOVR~0301105P/NASCAR+Tow+Truck+in+a+Box%2C+Wide-Track+Size.jsp?locale=en)

and lastly

SCC Z-Chain (http://www.scc-chain.com/Traction%20Pages/Trac_ZChain.html)





what car is that infront of your civic?

[dared3vil0]

do you have chains?

i suggest picking up the following to add to your civic's tool kit.

Telescopic Winter Shovel | Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2/OutdoorLiving/SnowRemoval/SnowShovels/PRD~0596912P/Telescopic+Winter+Shovel.jsp?locale=en)

NASCAR Tow Truck in a Box, Wide-Track Size | Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/VehicleAccessories/TruckAccessories/PRDOVR~0301105P/NASCAR+Tow+Truck+in+a+Box%2C+Wide-Track+Size.jsp?locale=en)

and lastly

SCC Z-Chain (http://www.scc-chain.com/Traction%20Pages/Trac_ZChain.html)





what car is that infront of your civic?

I think it's an RDX? I didn't get a good look at it, And i have a telescoping Aluminum shovel that saved my ass, But yes i will most certainly be picking up chains and that tow truck in a box soon!

[T4RAWR]

or you could just pick up a 4x4 :troll:


honestly though with the chains and the tracks you should have no problem getting yourself out of any snow situation in the lower mainland :fullofwin:

[dared3vil0]

or you could just pick up a 4x4 :troll:


honestly though with the chains and the tracks you should have no problem getting yourself out of any snow situation in the lower mainland :fullofwin:

LOL, Yes a 4x4 would be ideal. But i will be getting those tracks and chains in the next week. :accepted:

[Prolowtone]

I think it's an RDX? I didn't get a good look at it, And i have a telescoping Aluminum shovel that saved my ass, But yes i will most certainly be picking up chains and that tow truck in a box soon!
Is your snow shovel the $20 2 pack from Costco? Wonder if they are going to sell them again this year? I love mine, saved me in the snow and offroading in the mud
http://thehighestdestination.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/100_5110.jpg?w=640&h=480

[dared3vil0]

Is your snow shovel the $20 2 pack from Costco? Wonder if they are going to sell them again this year? I love mine, saved me in the snow and offroading in the mud
http://thehighestdestination.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/100_5110.jpg?w=640&h=480

Yes actually they are! Worked awesome for moving alot of snow, fast!

[european]

Damn that snow looks like so much fun! More fun snow photos please :)

[LuHua]

How much would tire chains help if I already have dedicated snowies on? The shovel seems like a good idea though. Looking forward to hitting the slopes soon!
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[entrax]

thanks for going out to a relatively quiet area to test your snow tires. more vancouverites should do this because we tend to forget what snow is like and how our cars (or even a change of tires) react. good on ya and have fun!

[T4RAWR]

How much would tire chains help if I already have dedicated snowies on? The shovel seems like a good idea though. Looking forward to hitting the slopes soon!
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tires chains can help quite alot when you hit the rough stuff.

they also bite into slush/ice alot better from my experience. snow tires would generally ride on top of the hard pack where as chains will BITE into the hard pack.


chains are generally considered to be a last resort and are also cheap insurance from getting completely stuck. some highways in bc require you to carry snow chains or chain up at check points such as the coquihalla.

here is a good article in the globe and mail explaining chains:
Chains: when winter tires aren't enough - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/car-life/chains-when-winter-tires-arent-enough/article4182748/)


with the tow truck in a box and a set of chains you really should be able to go where all the big boys go with their 4x4's as long as you arent leaving pavement :fullofwin:


a good compact snow shovel is a must in my opinion. more so than any other device (chains, tow truck in a box) when driving around in winter. also a 50/50 sand/salt mix is good to have as well. there are instances where you just need a tad bit more traction than what you're getting and chains or the tow-truck in a box isnt necessary. for these situations sprinkle down a good layer of sand/salt infront of your drive tires for added traction.

[Geoc]

Hey T4RAWR, what tow straps/chains do you use?

I've been thinking of picking one up, but I keep hearing stories that they'll just snap and murder someone. Should I even bother?

[Matlock]

Portable winter shovels are cool and all, but every winter I'll carry a real solid shovel that won't break on ice.

[Gh0stRider]

i got stuck at cypress. thx to the 4 guys that pushed me out out the parking lot.


i saw those costco shovel pack today, was gonna pick them up. i'll need them next time at cypress for sure.

[GabAlmighty]

Laaaaaaaaawl so much funny.

If anyone gets stuck going up the ski hill I can pull you people up, can probably do 3-4 cars at a time...

[MindBomber]

Hey T4RAWR, what tow straps/chains do you use?

I've been thinking of picking one up, but I keep hearing stories that they'll just snap and murder someone. Should I even bother?

What tow straps/chains to use?

Princess Auto generally has good prices on straps, choose a set appropriate for the maximum force that will plausibly be exerted on them.

You've been hearing stories that straps/chains will snap and murder someone?

When a weak link in a chain snaps under exertion it will become a projectile, and if it strikes a person has the potential to kill. Straps are a much safer option.

Should you bother?

If a vehicles tires are spinning a strap laid in the direction of travel can give the added traction required to gain forward momentum, they're useful to the average driver for that purpose. I personally would think it rather foolhardy for the average person to use straps for towing on public roads, so I would not consider them useful for any purpose beyond gaining traction.


chains are generally considered to be a last resort and are also cheap insurance from getting completely stuck. some highways in bc require you to carry snow chains or chain up at check points such as the coquihalla.


Chain requirements are imposed on commercial trucks not personal vehicles, so that information is not relevant to this audience.

If a vehicle is not able to gain traction with winter tires, the driver should strongly consider waiting for conditions to improve before continuing travelling. Chains will improve traction moderately, but a driver's ability will remain a constant, and under conditions severe enough that winter tires cannot gain traction, they are probably inadequate to continue. There's no shame in finding a safe spot to pull over, but there is in overestimating your ability and crashing. The type of circumstance where chains are used to travel up a side street to a main road is an obvious exception to the above.

If you do carry chains, learn to put them on when you purchase them not on the side of the road.

[Excelsis]

Go up Seymour in a Civic, pitch darkness and snowing just to try out the snow tires. I would not put myself in a situation like that unless I have to. So smart...

Why did he do it?

Because op is a daredevil..


:troll:

[GabAlmighty]

Chains are great for pulling cars, you're not going to break a chain pulling a car.

Unless you people are in a ditch or stuck in a snowbank you don't have to worry about breaking a chain/strap as you're not really putting that much force when you're using it to get started or to get out of your stall. Hell, I've pulled my old Volvo out a ditch using a 1/2" piece of nylon rope for christ sake and it didn't break haha.

So much misinformation I just don't even...

[T4RAWR]

Hey T4RAWR, what tow straps/chains do you use?

I've been thinking of picking one up, but I keep hearing stories that they'll just snap and murder someone. Should I even bother?

You can pick up "recovery" straps at princess auto for a reasonable price. you will probably need to get a few shackles in varying sizes. the rule of thumb that i learned was to pick up a strap that is rated for 3 times the weight of your vehicle. that is the minimum. of course, getting a 30,000lbs strap is great if you can afford one. my strap is rated at 12,500lbs and i've pulled plenty of vehicles with it no problem. you can buy the baller ARB 30,000lbs snatch/recovery straps at cap-it but they're very expensive. like mindbomber said, i would go with a strap vs a chain as chains can become projectiles. find proper points on the vehicle to use. never tie a chain or strap to a tow ball as it'll become a huge 2 inch wide canon ball once it snaps loose.

if you're looking for something for getting out of stucks for yourself the tow-truck in a box might be a better choice over straps. with the tow truck in a box you can do a self recovery. with straps you generally need a second vehicle.

i got stuck at cypress. thx to the 4 guys that pushed me out out the parking lot...

were you riding today? :suspicious:


Chain requirements are imposed on commercial trucks not personal vehicles, so that information is not relevant to this audience.

If a vehicle is not able to gain traction with winter tires, the driver should strongly consider waiting for conditions to improve before continuing travelling. Chains will improve traction moderately, but a driver's ability will remain a constant, and under conditions severe enough that winter tires cannot gain traction, they are probably inadequate to continue. There's no shame in finding a safe spot to pull over, but there is in overestimating your ability and crashing. The type of circumstance where chains are used to travel up a side street to a main road is an obvious exception to the above.

If you do carry chains, learn to put them on when you purchase them not on the side of the road.

i've been stopped on a road check on the coquihalla more than once and told by the officer to chain up.

the ministry of transportation and infrastructure states:

"Drivers are required to obey Winter Tire and Chain Up signs throughout the province. The designated routes require that vehicles are either equipped with winter tires or carry chains from October 1 to April 30. Click on the maps below to see the regional highways requiring winter tires and/or chains."

Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/SeasonalDriving/winter_chains.html)


Chains are great for pulling cars, you're not going to break a chain pulling a car.

Unless you people are in a ditch or stuck in a snowbank you don't have to worry about breaking a chain/strap as you're not really putting that much force when you're using it to get started or to get out of your stall. Hell, I've pulled my old Volvo out a ditch using a 1/2" piece of nylon rope for christ sake and it didn't break haha.

So much misinformation I just don't even...

chains are fine for towing in my opinion. but when you do a hard pull (tighten up on slack and try to bounce the car/truck out) its not such a good idea. the straps tend to stretch a bit where as chains dont. chains are perfectly fine for towing though. of course this is just my opinion.

[MindBomber]

No doubt, chains rarely ever snap unless you are at the upper limits of the rated capacity; they'd be completely useless if that were not the case.

I addressed the question assuming people would realize that the strap vs. chain question is only relevant when pulling up a vehicle out of a steep incline or ditch... it's pretty obvious a chain isn't going to snap on a flat road, it's not bloody string.


i've been stopped on a road check on the coquihalla more than once and told by the officer to chain up.

the ministry of transportation and infrastructure states:

"Drivers are required to obey Winter Tire and Chain Up signs throughout the province. The designated routes require that vehicles are either equipped with winter tires or carry chains from October 1 to April 30. Click on the maps below to see the regional highways requiring winter tires and/or chains."

Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure


IC now, your prior response wasn't clear.

It sounded as if you were saying, it is required for ALL personal vehicles to carry chains and use them at certain points, not only personal vehicles not running on winter tires.

[dared3vil0]

This is probably a stupid question, But it's better safe than sorry: The Civic Si comes stock with a tow hook next to the exhaust, which is shaped in a sort of oval, with one side attaching to the frame, and the other with a circular hole, Is this going to be a strong enough tow point? Or is this one of those stupid ricey things honda put on because all the idiots who think they're "cool", And it's not actually functional?

[Teh Doucher]

t4rawr, were you up at cypress today? i thought i saw you on my way up.. took my 5month old american pitbull terrier up there to play in the snow. little guy loved it! lol. was running around like a bunny in the snow, so funny to watch.

i've also been wanting to do a random trip up the coq in my truck, but its got those shitty perelli scorpion tires and im kinda skeptical of how good they're going to be up there as ive never driven the highway in winter. guess im going to need chains...

[MindBomber]

This is probably a stupid question, But it's better safe than sorry: The Civic Si comes stock with a tow hook next to the exhaust, which is shaped in a sort of oval, with one side attaching to the frame, and the other with a circular hole, Is this going to be a strong enough tow point? Or is this one of those stupid ricey things honda put on because all the idiots who think they're "cool", And it's not actually functional?

It's put there to act as a tow point...

Read your manual, it will identify all the tow points on the vehicle.

[T4RAWR]

This is probably a stupid question, But it's better safe than sorry: The Civic Si comes stock with a tow hook next to the exhaust, which is shaped in a sort of oval, with one side attaching to the frame, and the other with a circular hole, Is this going to be a strong enough tow point? Or is this one of those stupid ricey things honda put on because all the idiots who think they're "cool", And it's not actually functional?

it should be ok to pull your civic out on that point since its attached to the frame.

t4rawr, were you up at cypress today? i thought i saw you on my way up.. took my 5month old american pitbull terrier up there to play in the snow. little guy loved it! lol. was running around like a bunny in the snow, so funny to watch.

i've also been wanting to do a random trip up the coq in my truck, but its got those shitty perelli scorpion tires and im kinda skeptical of how good they're going to be up there as ive never driven the highway in winter. guess im going to need chains...

yes sir. i was up there boarding and then down at the bowl for a break before heading on home.

i run thule xb 16 chains on my 4runner. they've done a fantastic job the times i've had to use them in mud or snow.


http://www.autoanything.com/driving-accessories/65A4343A0A0.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN1OzowR4Bs

[GabAlmighty]

chains are fine for towing in my opinion. but when you do a hard pull (tighten up on slack and try to bounce the car/truck out) its not such a good idea. the straps tend to stretch a bit where as chains dont. chains are perfectly fine for towing though. of course this is just my opinion.

That's exactly what I'm saying haha. Or if you wanna never break anything, grab some of the rope used to tie up tugs/cruise ships/barges if you have the room haha.

i run thule xb 16 chains on my 4runner. they've done a fantastic job the times i've had to use them in mud or snow.

The solution for not having chains is more right foot... ;)

[dared3vil0]

That's exactly what I'm saying haha. Or if you wanna never break anything, grab some of the rope used to tie up tugs/cruise ships/barges if you have the room haha.



The solution for not having chains is more right foot... ;)

I remember seeing those ropes listed somewhere and they were unbelievably expensive.

[T4RAWR]

also.

in an emergency, if your vehicle has rope you can macgyver some snow chains.

Snow Chain Alternative : Snow Rope - a cheap effective alternative to Snow Chains.wmv - YouTube

useful tip if you're out and about and stuck.

[GabAlmighty]

I remember seeing those ropes listed somewhere and they were unbelievably expensive.

That's why it's good to have friends in that industry, "I swear sir it just fell off the ship.."

[Gh0stRider]

wonder if tire chains will rip apart my fender :lawl:

[T4RAWR]

wonder if tire chains will rip apart my fender :lawl:

lowered + chains not a good idea.


with cable chains you might be able to get away with it.



thule does make the k-summit series of show chains which are meant for cars with extremely low clearance:


Thule K-Summit Snow Chains K34 - Thule Tire Chains (http://www.rackattack.com/product-pages/thule-k-summit-snow-chains-k34.asp)

pricey as fuck though. i guess if you wanna play you gotta pay :badpokerface:

[Gh0stRider]

sorry i meant cable chains. saw them at lordco

[dared3vil0]

That's why it's good to have friends in that industry, "I swear sir it just fell off the ship.."

:fullofwin:

[T4RAWR]

sorry i meant cable chains. saw them at lordco

cable chains should clear.


kal-tire carries the scc brand of cable chains which are great for sedans/coupes and are very easy to install because you dont have to drive onto them.

[dared3vil0]

cable chains should clear.


kal-tire carries the scc brand of cable chains which are great for sedans/coupes and are very easy to install because you dont have to drive onto them.

Those are the ones i will be picking up, Because i literally couldn't move an inch, driving on would of been impossible. Makes me wonder if i should of bought a set of like altimax arctics or blizzaks instead of a stupid fucking "performance" snow. :suspicious:

[T4RAWR]

Those are the ones i will be picking up, Because i literally couldn't move an inch, driving on would of been impossible. Makes me wonder if i should of bought a set of like altimax arctics or blizzaks instead of a stupid fucking "performance" snow. :suspicious:

when you're stuck you're stuck.


shovel + tire chains + tow truck in a box = FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :fullofwin:

[dared3vil0]

when you're stuck you're stuck.


shovel + tire chains + tow truck in a box = FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :fullofwin:

4x4 = NEVERSTUCKFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMM

I need one :okay:

[Gh0stRider]

gonna keep a shovel, rock salt and kitty litter in the car.

apparently kitty litter help with traction.

[Senna4ever]

apparently kitty litter help with traction.
...and it's nice and crunchy! :fullofwin:

[Volvo-brickster]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2rpbc4j.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/30xj2hu.jpg

Im set for the Coquihalla :D

[T4RAWR]

gonna keep a shovel, rock salt and kitty litter in the car.

apparently kitty litter help with traction.

wouldnt have gotten stuck if you bought that 3rd gen :troll:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2rpbc4j.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/30xj2hu.jpg

Im set for the Coquihalla :D


VBAR chains?

[Volvo-brickster]

VBAR chains?

Yupp.

Got them 2 years ago...never used them , then my truck got stolen. Got a new truck, hope not to have to use them, but at least I have a set.

[Gh0stRider]

wouldnt have gotten stuck if you bought that 3rd gen :troll:




i need to save up after paying the CRA.


plus im considering moving up north, so i would need that 3rd gen :p

[T4RAWR]

local guy's 3rd up on cypress:

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx277/erionracer/1-9.jpg

a bit of youtube footage:

4runner 98 snow - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=WYfLUNRDQDY&NR=1)

[Gh0stRider]

4wd doesn't mean shit...lol

My 97 4Runner Limited - YouTube

[roastpuff]

I got stuck on Saturday even with Blizzaks... good thing my friends were there (we went in 2 cars) and he had a snow shovel. His RDX also needed some shoveling even though he has Michelin X-Ice Latitude tires on his. Once we got out of the parking rows and onto the actual pathway it was fine.

Gh0st, AJ didn't even make it up lol.

[Gh0stRider]

I got stuck on Saturday even with Blizzaks... good thing my friends were there (we went in 2 cars) and he had a snow shovel. His RDX also needed some shoveling even though he has Michelin X-Ice Latitude tires on his. Once we got out of the parking rows and onto the actual pathway it was fine.

Gh0st, AJ didn't even make it up lol.

ya he told me. LOLvo fail

same with me, once i got out of the parking row it was fine. damn lowered car

[dared3vil0]

That was the problem i had, Getting out of the parking stall, Then i got stuck again when a stupid fucking group of snowboarders decided to play chicken with a 2800Lb car in 2 feet of snow... Literally had to swerve into 3+feet of powder, or decorate the front of my car with something with less brain cells than the plastic currently on it...

[LuHua]

dared3vil, your performance winters are better in most cases, the altimax arctics make the car handle like a damn boat. Oh, and that rear tow hook spot, people have also used that as a jack point. It should be plenty strong to tow your car with, made for that purpose anyways.

[dared3vil0]

dared3vil, your performance winters are better in most cases, the altimax arctics make the car handle like a damn boat. Oh, and that rear tow hook spot, people have also used that as a jack point. It should be plenty strong to tow your car with, made for that purpose anyways.

I love performance winters for everything except days like saturday, That's when i wish i had true snowies.

[T4RAWR]

are the tires mountain snow flake rated.?

[dared3vil0]

are the tires mountain snow flake rated.?

Yup.

[T4RAWR]

4wd doesn't mean shit...lol

My 97 4Runner Limited - YouTube (http://youtu.be/PbWo_aBlrLs)

atleast he was able to get THAT far in. :badpokerface:

[dared3vil0]

Don't laugh, I'm not willing to give up totally the performance asset and go with true snowies, So i had the idea to pick up a set of altimax arctics on steelies (Provided i still have the car- Not sure yet) and if they call for more than a few inches of snow on skiing days, bolt on the snowies. It literally takes ~ 5 mins a wheel so why not?

[T4RAWR]

i'd probably just get chains....

[dared3vil0]

i'd probably just get chains....

Might be cheaper. Was just thinking of that because a buddy sold his car and has a set of steelies and altimax's which would fit perfectly, And he is too lazy to sell it so it's just sitting there... Could probably get it for a couple hundred bucks and a few six packs.

[godwin]

Tire chains are useless if you are already stuck. Get one of those traction mats is much better idea.

Amazon.com: Car Unstuck Traction Mats - 2 Plates Per Set: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fvl95uFSL.@@AMEPARAM@@51fvl95uFSL

The difference between tow strap and chains is if the link snaps, metal goes some random direction with quite a bit of momentum. Tow straps' elasticity absorbs the brunt of the energy. But always put some type of jacket / blanket on top chains/straps/ropes before you yank on it with a motorized vehicle; any smashed lights etc these days cost more than a BCAA Premier membership.

i'd probably just get chains....

[T4RAWR]

i already suggested the traction mats a few posts back.... :badpokerface:

Tire chains are useless if you are already stuck. Get one of those traction mats is much better idea.

Amazon.com: Car Unstuck Traction Mats - 2 Plates Per Set: Sports & Outdoors (http://www.amazon.com/Car-Unstuck-Traction-Mats-Plates/dp/B004IROQH4)

The difference between tow strap and chains is if the link snaps, metal goes some random direction with quite a bit of momentum. Tow straps' elasticity absorbs the brunt of the energy. But always put some type of jacket / blanket on top chains/straps/ropes before you yank on it with a motorized vehicle; any smashed lights etc these days cost more than a BCAA Premier membership.

[TjAlmeida]

not sure if serious with tire chains in the lower mainland -_-

Buy some good winters, and a shovel and I can't see you getting stuck in the lower mainland.
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[Sky_High]

not sure if serious with tire chains in the lower mainland -_-

Buy some good winters, and a shovel and I can't see you getting stuck in the lower mainland.
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Not sure if serious either... :badpokerface:

Obviously those above comments about buying chains are for people that do runs up the local mountains and/or the interior. Who would drive around the city with chains....when at most its only slush / few cm of snow right now.

[marksport]

I had cables on my old car and I still got stuck as a bunch of snow accumulated under the chassis. I had to back up and get a running start to get out of the driveway and onto the semi-plowed street.

Best video on the use of a tow strap

http://youtu.be/Q1qJ5IT72Aw

[StylinRed]

supposedly its going to snow tomorrow

[eurochevy]

Tire chains are useless if you are already stuck. Get one of those traction mats is much better idea.

Amazon.com: Car Unstuck Traction Mats - 2 Plates Per Set: Sports & Outdoors (http://www.amazon.com/Car-Unstuck-Traction-Mats-Plates/dp/B004IROQH4)

The difference between tow strap and chains is if the link snaps, metal goes some random direction with quite a bit of momentum. Tow straps' elasticity absorbs the brunt of the energy. But always put some type of jacket / blanket on top chains/straps/ropes before you yank on it with a motorized vehicle; any smashed lights etc these days cost more than a BCAA Premier membership.
so let me get this straight.... you're going to get out of your car put this under the tires / get onto these to get yourself out..then you have to stop to go pick them up / get whoever is with you to pick them up and stop for them to get back in the car only to have moved a couple feet and probably need these again ? :badpokerface:

[TjAlmeida]

mountains are usually plowed, unless you are making night runs even then. A shovel would be more useful then chains, and I was not referring to people in the interior lol, just lower mainland.
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[falcon]

Perfect timing to finally own a quattro vehicle and put my snowies on. BRING IT ON WINTER!

[kakucaekz]

supposedly its going to snow tomorrow

It was supposedly going to snow a couple weekends ago lol. But it did hail today, pretty big pieces too.

[falcon]

It's snowed a few times in the last few days for those of us in the valley. It was snowing for a few hours yesterday (but not sticking). It will come sooner or later...

[dared3vil0]

not sure if serious with tire chains in the lower mainland -_-

Buy some good winters, and a shovel and I can't see you getting stuck in the lower mainland.
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You're an idiot. Did you even read the thread? This is for people who drive in a foot + feet of powder multiple times per week.

[dared3vil0]

mountains are usually plowed, unless you are making night runs even then. A shovel would be more useful then chains, and I was not referring to people in the interior lol, just lower mainland.
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DERP. You're retarded. Did you see the picture i posted? That was mount seymour at 6:00pm. 15 inches of powder on the road and parking lot, Yup, they are definetly plowed.

[T4RAWR]

http://i.imgur.com/WTZSO.gif

[T4RAWR]

i mentioned it a few times throughout this thread.


shovel + chains + traction mats.


each tool has its place.


for the most part you'll be just fine with the shovel. you should be able to dig yourself out and clear a path so that you can get out. 90% of the time will probably be spent with the shovel clearing around your car.


the chains are cheap insurance and also required in SOME parts of the province such as the coquihalla. you can buy a set and they'll probably last you the life time of your vehicle.

if i had to only take on i'd take the shovel. if two out of the three then the chains + shovel.

[saveth]

Looks like everyone will get a chance in testing their tires today
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[TjAlmeida]

DERP. You're retarded. Did you see the picture i posted? That was mount seymour at 6:00pm. 15 inches of powder on the road and parking lot, Yup, they are definetly plowed.

Um, 6:00 PM is considered a night run as it is dark out. And i'm the retard. Don't get defensive on me there tough guy. Thread doesn't need an Internet tough guy like yourself calling people names. I just stated my opinion. Maybe mine is biased because the last time I drove in snow I had my evo.

Also I'm not in Vancouver right now to judge, in alberta working up north. We got about 2 feet of snow and a 80km road of ice/snow back to the nearest city. No chains here :/
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[TjAlmeida]

and you call me an idiot. Bro you must be tough. Invest in a shovel and you wouldn't have got a bit high centered up at seymour.

Good luck in your future snow adventures. Better buy some chains just in case you get stuck at seymour in the middle of the night testing your snow tires. ;)
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[TopsyCrett]

My tires need to come in asap... nothing scarier than running on old Michelin TRX's, no traction control and rwd :okay:

[dared3vil0]

and you call me an idiot. Bro you must be tough. Invest in a shovel and you wouldn't have got a bit high centered up at seymour.

Good luck in your future snow adventures. Better buy some chains just in case you get stuck at seymour in the middle of the night testing your snow tires. ;)
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I stand by everything i said. You clearly didn't read the thread. I had TWO shovels with me, and 2 people to dig and that was the only way out. And is 6:00pm the middle of the night, considering they don't close until 10? Didn't think so.

[T4RAWR]

no snow in richmond :okay:

[falcon]

6PM is not a "night run." 10PM maybe, but not 6PM. Lots of people going up for night skiing around that time.

[falcon]

I LOOOOVE QUATTRO

Ripped around in some deepish snow first time today with the new Audi. AWD = best. plowing through everything with %50 snowies... And shitty ones too.

Also, border line was non existent today because everyone was scared to leave their houses. Boo ya.

[dared3vil0]

I LOOOOVE QUATTRO

Ripped around in some deepish snow first time today with the new Audi. AWD = best. plowing through everything with %50 snowies... And shitty ones too.

Also, border line was non existent today because everyone was scared to leave their houses. Boo ya.

I KNOW! Peace Arch lineup at ~12 today was 10 minutes. SO great.

[The_AK]

My snow plow took a beating today :(


https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/271041_10151560207153362_1005543380_n.jpg

[KayC]

My snow plow took a beating today :(


https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/271041_10151560207153362_1005543380_n.jpg

I know how you feel..my front lip got torn off too :(

[TjAlmeida]

I stand by everything i said. You clearly didn't read the thread. I had TWO shovels with me, and 2 people to dig and that was the only way out. And is 6:00pm the middle of the night, considering they don't close until 10? Didn't think so.

you do realize evening rates start at 4pm right. they only close at 10? wow so that must be, like, your bed time or something. to me 6pm is considered. evening/night time considering it gets dark at around 430. Nope i did not read the thread. could really careless that you got your honda stuck in the snow. Good thing two guys were able to help you shovel. no way in hell would you be able to do that alone. you sound like an idiot so no point in trolling.

hope you dont get stuck next time, better bring chains and a snow plow.

[TjAlmeida]

6PM is not a "night run." 10PM maybe, but not 6PM. Lots of people going up for night skiing around that time.

i do not follow, the mountain closes at 10pm. so how do you do a 'night run' when the mountain is closed?

not being rude on this one just curious, have not been boarding in two years since my concussion.

edit: just glanced their web site, unless pass sales end at 10 and mountain is open later?

[T4RAWR]

no parking... no problem :pokerface:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u75/jca21/20121228_131321_zps577e7c2d.jpg

just make a spot on the side :concentrate:

[dared3vil0]

no parking... no problem :pokerface:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u75/jca21/20121228_131321_zps577e7c2d.jpg

just make a spot on the side :concentrate:

0/10 My civic could park there :fullofwin:

[T4RAWR]

0/10 My civic could park there :fullofwin:

tried to get melloman to park his mazda 3 there but wouldnt do it :pokerface:

[dared3vil0]

tried to get melloman to park his mazda 3 there but wouldnt do it :pokerface:

Aww, He should have! Would of been a good picture. And besides, In the small chance he got stuck, You could of just pulled him out.

[k2_alpha]

T4 where was the the picture taken?

[T4RAWR]

T4 where was the the picture taken?

cypress parked in the lot by the older lodge is with the washrooms and propane tank nearby.

[chewbacca]

Just stumbled across this thread, seemed relevant to this past weekend. :)

http://i47.tinypic.com/349auyo.jpg

Video:baker lulz (http://tinypic.com/r/2u5ruqf/6)

[GabAlmighty]

I want your car^^

[kerunt2]

Snow tires are brand new Hankook i*cept evo w310, in 215/45/17. For a performance snow which handles about as well as a good all season in the dry, They do quite well in the snow imho, On the road up, 2-3 inches it felt perfect, Very good control... I stopped and started with minimal wheel spin on a fairly steep Seymour hill, Only ran into some trouble once i got to the top and stopped in some foot deep drifts... I suspect ground clearence (lack of it) was also a big factor in this however, Some wheel spin and I was out. On the way down, Even fairly hard braking yielded great results, with minimal anti lock. Great overall tire for the money! Highly reccomended by me... (140/corner) Car is an 07 Civic Si.


+1 on those tires. Went up Baker opening day last year (plenty of snow on the road) and didn't have a single issue while there were plenty of 4x4's in the ditch.

[saveth]

I just came back from baked on Saturday and the upper part of the road to baker there were no ditches. If you lose control you basically become a pin ball. That's how much snow is up there right now.
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[westopher]

you do realize evening rates start at 4pm right. they only close at 10? wow so that must be, like, your bed time or something. to me 6pm is considered. evening/night time considering it gets dark at around 430. Nope i did not read the thread. could really careless that you got your honda stuck in the snow. Good thing two guys were able to help you shovel. no way in hell would you be able to do that alone. you sound like an idiot so no point in trolling.

hope you dont get stuck next time, better bring chains and a snow plow. I have no idea why you are talking about lift tickets here.
"You have no frame of reference here Donny. You are like a child that wandered into the middle of a movie."
http://www.filmopolis.cz/upload/beditor1146222252.jpg

[T4RAWR]

I just came back from baked on Saturday and the upper part of the road to baker there were no ditches. If you lose control you basically become a pin ball. That's how much snow is up there right now.
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:suspicious:

[TjAlmeida]

I have no idea why you are talking about lift tickets here.
"You have no frame of reference here Donny. You are like a child that wandered into the middle of a movie."
http://www.filmopolis.cz/upload/beditor1146222252.jpg

No Idea your relevance to anything said, but still can't come up with anything half decent to type so you quote a movie??? I still don't follow on the night run which I kindly commented cause I don't understand how you go at 10am to board or ski when that's when the mountain closes.

I'll get some snow pictures up tmrw from up here to add to the thread!
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[westopher]

No Idea your relevance to anything said, but still can't come up with anything half decent to type so you quote a movie??? I still don't follow on the night run which I kindly commented cause I don't understand how you go at 10am to board or ski when that's when the mountain closes.

I'll get some snow pictures up tmrw from up here to add to the thread!
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You just seem to be coming in here to shit on the guy for getting stuck, and then ranting about his bedtime and lift tickets, its just way out of left field. However to add some relevance to something at this point. How deep was it up there? I heard it dumped today/this evening.

[k2_alpha]

http://i.imgur.com/zPVGJ.jpg?1
Grew a 3 inch deep snow beard as I drove.

[T4RAWR]

http://i.imgur.com/zPVGJ.jpg?1
Grew a 3 inch deep snow beard as I drove.

mother nature jizzed on the front of your hyundai and it took it with a smile :lawl:






:troll:

[dared3vil0]

mother nature jizzed on the front of your hyundai and it took it with a smile :lawl:

:troll:

Problem. with my snow beard..? :troll:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-61.jpg

[TjAlmeida]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii107/Ridge_Raiders/20130107_080637.jpg

This is the yard. It's getting warmer up here so it's not as much of an icy yard as it was before. Maybe about 2-3' on the untouched areas.
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[T4RAWR]

Problem. with my snow beard..? :troll:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/dared3vil0/photo-61.jpg

front of the truck doesnt look like a smiley face like the hyundai's :troll:

[dared3vil0]

front of the truck doesnt look like a smiley face like the hyundai's :troll:

hyundai's and mazdas, That smile front end always turns me off buying one...

[roastpuff]

Snowies definitely got a workout today. Bad roads today... And snowing at BCIT now!
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[Vulgate]

very very slippery this morning. Very dangerous.

[dared3vil0]

Fun day today. E-brake got more of a work out than the snowies i fear however... :troll:

[BrRsn]

diuuu so many bad driva la.

at one point i was so angry i was gripping my steering wheel for dear life. I almost shat myself.

[CBP_EG6]

EM1 parked :(
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/captiva_eg6/6164C21F-7F7B-46A5-AB1A-B26E9C6A4707-9233-000008165C3F3EEA.jpg
(Covered in heated storage now)

Winter beater:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/captiva_eg6/D8BB25E1-4A48-4869-924E-55DAC8B5A848-9233-000008164270B3AB.jpg

Backyard:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/captiva_eg6/FCFDA341-C4C1-4F64-B86C-4D860B0FB116-9233-0000081623EF04C0.jpg
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[freakshow]

i only pass by one road with a ditch on my way to work. there was a car in it this morning.

[versep]

Snowies definitely got a workout today. Bad roads today... And snowing at BCIT now!
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I got to BCIT fine, but I don't know if I can get home :okay: It's still snowing outside.

[roastpuff]

I got to BCIT fine, but I don't know if I can get home :okay: It's still snowing outside.

I'm worried about the hill coming out of the student parking. My snowies are at 60% and slip a bit. :badpokerface:

[versep]

I'm worried about the hill coming out of the student parking. My snowies are at 60% and slip a bit. :badpokerface:

I have all seasons on and I'm rwd :okay:

My classmate's 350z isn't going to do well either :ilied:

[roastpuff]

I have all seasons on and I'm rwd :okay:

My classmate's 350z isn't going to do well either :ilied:

More powaaaaaa! You'll be OK. :ilied:

[jlenko]

Backyard:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/captiva_eg6/FCFDA341-C4C1-4F64-B86C-4D860B0FB116-9233-0000081623EF04C0.jpg
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Holy crap dude!! Where do you live?