[ilvtofu]

not really surprised by the outcome ...
Hidden camera shows underage teens served alcohol - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/15/bc-hidden-camera-underage-drinking.html)

Personally, if I were the kids doing the investigation I wouldn't really want my picture out there :/
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2012/11/16/mi-bc-121115-teens-served.jpg

I also like how they're like HAS CAUGHT HALF OF THE B.C. LOWER MAINLAND RESTAURANTS....which is actually just 2

A CBC News hidden-camera investigation has caught half of the B.C. Lower Mainland restaurants that it tested selling alcoholic drinks to minors.

In the investigation, a group composed of three 18-year-olds and one 17-year-old was sent to four establishments. The CBC asked the three males and one female to order alcohol, but not to drink it if they were served. Provincial laws prohibit anyone under 19 years old from being served or sold liquor.

All four teens went together to Ebisu restaurant on Robson Street in Vancouver where they ordered a pitcher of beer and were served within minutes of sitting down.

The same night, the Keg Steakhouse & Bar on Still Creek Avenue in Burnaby served red wine to two of the 18-year-olds, who went in as a couple. Another Keg waitress served beer to the two other teens who were sitting in the bar area.

All four left their drinks untouched and later left.

Outside the restaurant afterwards, the teens offered their own theories about why they were served.

"It was just really casual,” said Jack Hu, 17. "I guess [the server] just thought we were older."

Aidan Ponton, 18, said he suspected the waitress sympathized with them.

"I guess she just saw us, just some younger kids and she knew what it was like, she'd been in that position before and she didn't hesitate," Ponton said.

Ben Roberts, 18, saw a monetary motive.

"They are making money off of it, a lot of money and I don't think that's their main priority to obey the law."

"[If] your employer's not forcing you to ID then you're not going to," said 18-year-old Katherine Gillard.

When later confronted with the results of the CBC News investigation, the management at Ebisu said they were shocked and embarrassed and promised to be more vigilant in checking identification.

A Keg spokesperson admitted its servers did not follow procedures and the restaurant chain will now redouble its training.

The teens also visited the Cactus Club and Boston Pizza, on Lougheed Highway in Burnaby. Both restaurants asked for government-issued identification and when the teens couldn't produce it, they were refused service.

The penalty for a first offence ranges from $7,500 to $10,000 or a 10-to-15- day licence suspension. Licensees can either accept the penalty or request an enforcement hearing.

CBC News has also learned the provincial government has recently begun doing its own secret spot checks of restaurant compliance with the law through its Minors as Agents Program. It found that 20 out of 29 restaurants — more than two-thirds — served alcohol to underage teens.

[trollface]

Shocking, not... is anyone surprised?

1: Carding ppl takes time and the servers don't want to do it.
2: Mow money

[2 n r]

Lol snap
Isn't the owner of ebisu a member here
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[Verdasco]

:seriously: why would they go ebisu, good people there, just busy as hell so i can not blame them.. (can not blame the workers)

[knight604]

oh noes underage drinking :(

[ilvtofu]

:seriously: why would they go ebisu, good people there, just busy as hell so i can not blame them.. (can not blame the workers)

They're known to be a bit more lenient on checking ID. I think the investigations go off of tips people send in and I wouldn't be surprised if Ebisu was mentioned.

[AAnthony]

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[JaPoola]

:seriously: why would they go ebisu, good people there, just busy as hell so i can not blame them.. (can not blame the workers)

That's ironic, because the employees are really the only ones to blame. Now they will have cost their employers a ton of money and will probably lose their jobs as well. All because they wouldn't spend a couple of minutes to check IDs.

[gdoh]

what was the point of this?? doesnt matter if you stop restaurants from serving underage kids alcohol they are still going to get liquor its not hard for kids to get.

[Presto]

Even with evidence, would those businesses be fined, since it wasn't an official inspection?
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[Meowjin]

Drinking laws blow here.

Bunch of stiffs in this province.

I don't understand how we can responsibly teach teenagers to drive cars at the age of 16, but to give them a beer with a meal it's like you are committing murder.

As I grow older I begin to see that laws like this only cause more problems than they solve.

[vitaminG]

i guess this explains why ive been getting ID'd everywhere now. and im old and have homer simpson permastubble.

[trollface]

what was the point of this?? doesnt matter if you stop restaurants from serving underage kids alcohol they are still going to get liquor its not hard for kids to get.

Just because they can get it with ilegal means does not mean it should not be regulated. I mean, you can buy a gun with no serial numbers from a guy who knows a guy if you really want to, but we sure as hell are not going to give them away like recycling bins.

[geeknerd]

Should do this more often.
One of the reasons i avoid certain drinking places is because they serve alcohol to minors.
Not only is it illegal, its annoying as fuck and kills the atmosphere when i see a highschooler drinking in my vicinity.

[gdoh]

Just because they can get it with ilegal means does not mean it should not be regulated. I mean, you can buy a gun with no serial numbers from a guy who knows a guy if you really want to, but we sure as hell are not going to give them away like recycling bins.

i think guns and alcohol are in two separate categories. its just that this type of thing doesn't really bother me, id rather see the resources used on something else. if we were having an epidemic of drunk kids getting seriously injured or something like that then sure.

[trollface]

i think guns and alcohol are in two separate categories. its just that this type of thing doesn't really bother me, id rather see the resources used on something else. if we were having an epidemic of drunk kids getting seriously injured or something like that then sure.

I think that's one of the reasons it's regulated. Let's admit it, kids are dumb, you were prob dumb, I was dumb, most kids are dumb. Last week I saw a kid surfing on top of a moving Jeep his buddy was driving. The buddy takes a corner and he bails into someone's hedge. Kids are dumb.

Let's not give them easy access to dumb enhancement juice. Yeah.... let's not lol.

[Sid Vicious]

Just because they can get it with ilegal means does not mean it should not be regulated. I mean, you can buy a gun with no serial numbers from a guy who knows a guy if you really want to, but we sure as hell are not going to give them away like recycling bins.

how can u compare buying a gun with liquor...lol

[trollface]

how can u compare buying a gun with liquor...lol

Ask the ATF

I'm just stating that just becasue you can get something with less than legal means, does not mean we should give up on regulation.

[Hondaracer]

Drinking laws blow here.

Bunch of stiffs in this province.

I don't understand how we can responsibly teach teenagers to drive cars at the age of 16, but to give them a beer with a meal it's like you are committing murder.

As I grow older I begin to see that laws like this only cause more problems than they solve.

Thought you worked in the clubs?

Ppl that are 30 in van can't handle their liquor, what makes u think a 16yo can lol
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[quasi]

Agree with the kids are dumb sentiment. The reason the drinking laws are there is to protect these kids as many of them are immature and irresponsible. Yes, there are some that would be able to be responsible drinkers but they have to protect the masses. Also many parents do not what there kids drinking and until there adults they cannot make that decision (legally) for themselves.

Not sure why someone would say the servers aren't to blame, of course they are. The laws are simple, you want to serve alcohol you make sure you're serving it to people of legal age. I had someone who wouldn't sell me lottery tickets the other day because I forgot my ID at home, I'm in my late 30's. I was annoyed but at the same time the guy was doing his job. There is no excuse really for restaurants or bars that serve to minors. In a perfect world the kids trying to buy the stuff should get dragged home by there ear and presented to their parents but unfortunately there isn't the manpower or resources for that.

[geeknerd]

^^ dont forget it protects their developing bodies as well.

[Sid Vicious]

Ask the ATF

I'm just stating that just becasue you can get something with less than legal means, does not mean we should give up on regulation.

why not

regulating human consumption behavior is useless. look at the war on drugs

[wreck]

I think we should make the Skytrain close even earlier!! That way more and more people have less options for a safe ride and can drive home drunk from the clubs killing innocent people.

The fact that the Skytrain closes hours before the bars/night clubs close is beyond a joke.. But keep spending money on social housing, shoot-up sites, and feeding the poor/filth.

[knight604]

Ask the ATF

I'm just stating that just becasue you can get something with less than legal means, does not mean we should give up on regulation.

Fuck ATF, the SOA runs loops around them.

:ilied:

[lospollos]

Fucking snitches.
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[Meowjin]

Thought you worked in the clubs?

Ppl that are 30 in van can't handle their liquor, what makes u think a 16yo can lol
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you're right.

but the only reason people drink as much as they do is because there is such a stranglehold on it. Ontop of that people think it's "cool" to get blackout or macho.

[knight604]

Maybe people just want to enjoy themselves too ?

Don't be so anal.

Everyone needs to blow off steam and have fun once in a while.

[FishTaco]

I would have asked for my face not to be shown if I was those kids lol.

[westopher]

If one of our friends was part of making getting booze more difficult for us in high school, an asskicking would have happened reeeaaalll quick.

[Santofu]

I had a meeting with the staff about checking people with IDs,
Servers will get fined for serving to underage kids which cost about $550 plus 35% victim surcharge? (WTF?)
In the meantime, the restaurant will get charged as well.

[westopher]

A place just down the street from the restaurant where I work got a 3 day closure and 7500 dollar fine!! They must have all sorts of previous infractions.
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[Mr.HappySilp]

That's ironic, because the employees are really the only ones to blame. Now they will have cost their employers a ton of money and will probably lose their jobs as well. All because they wouldn't spend a couple of minutes to check IDs.

I don't think the waiters were train to check ID. What do you expect when you pay min weage. Besdie restaurant manager want to make money and you as a waiter is IDing everyone and refuse service to minors = lose revenue. I might even suspect that some managers might tell thier employee not to check ID.

Heck I hardly ID now and I look prety young. Beside minors drink all the time is nothing new. They get someone older go go to a liquor store and buy beer/drinks for them, get someone older to order drinks for you at a restaurant...... or even at family gatherings minor drink all the time.

[Mozo]

this made me thirsty, im heading to ebisu later to have myself a drink :drunk:

[MelonBoy]

:fuckthatshit: "All four left their drinks untouched and later left."

Video of the guy topping off a drink lol..

[PJ]

Craving for a cold beer on tap all of a sudden...

[Bouncing Bettys]

Should do this more often.
One of the reasons i avoid certain drinking places is because they serve alcohol to minors.
Not only is it illegal, its annoying as fuck and kills the atmosphere when i see a highschooler drinking in my vicinity.
A group of us, all 30+, got a table at Boston Pizza to watch a UFC event since our regular place was full up. The place was full of young people and the atmosphere was like a damn zoo. BP didn't help the experience much: on top of being carded, they kept our ID until we had paid our bills, and took pictures of everyone at the table. All to prevent moronic behaviour and dine and dashes. Damn children. That was the last time I ever took my business to BP.

[threezero]

I'm 25 and I look super young. I get ID every single time when I'm trying to buy liquor and smokes. I don't think I've ever been ID while drinking in restaurants.

Now I have been hassle by other anal retentive customers while drinking because I look young every single one of those times i was on my best behaviour, not drunk not causing trouble and just enjoying a beer or two. On the other hand the odd times when I've been drunk out of my minds in public place and actually causing a ruckus no one has ever bother me about my age =\

[dlo]

waiting for obesidon's response to this. shit happens guys, guess the employees should take a extra minute to check if they got IDs or not, its the law

[tarobbt]

victim of bullying, make yourself a target :lawl:

one bad apple spoils the bunch, even if it's for the good of the law :drunk:

[spideyv2]

Drinking laws blow here.

Bunch of stiffs in this province.

I don't understand how we can responsibly teach teenagers to drive cars at the age of 16, but to give them a beer with a meal it's like you are committing murder.

As I grow older I begin to see that laws like this only cause more problems than they solve.

tell that to Americans

[spideyv2]

:seriously: why would they go ebisu, good people there, just busy as hell so i can not blame them.. (can not blame the workers)

can't blame the workers for not ID'ing the kids?

not sure if troll or seriously that stupid

[StylinRed]

oh noes aznsir!


well all press is good be it a good or bad story ;)

[twitchyzero]

it's so fucking embarassing on that off chance when you get ID'd for buying games meant for 17+ :seriously:

Asian problems

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't see how this is a "problem", how many 17 year olds can afford to buy expensive drinks at restaurants? No they'll do what I did, wait in front of a liquor store, or send in the one who hit puberty earliest and looks like a 19 year old :lawl:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/abstractoven/wildcat.jpg

[vafanculo]

I'm not surprised BP checked ID's. Of the 4 restaurants, they cater to minors the most.

Ebisu, and especially The Keg, normally have a more older crowd, so maybe that's why they slipped up.

And I doubt these kids are worried about getting bullied for this. Look at them. My guess is in a few years, one is a politician, one is a cop, one is a tree hugger, and the 4th wil be on RS.

[Verdasco]

can't blame the workers for not ID'ing the kids?

not sure if troll or seriously that stupid

was just a bit bias towards ebisu :okay: can not blame me though

[Windstar]

They forgot to check Guu. I have friends who are minors that purposely go there to drink -_-;;

[Mr.Money]

They forgot to check Guu. I have friends who are minors that purposely go there to drink -_-;;

whats more harmful then beer and easier to access?....you take one away their gonna turn to the next.

ding ding ding...if i didn't see a dumb group of youth of getting their drink on walking around at night,it was smoking.
http://toxipedia.org/download/attachments/6017697/medical-marijuana1.jpg

[snowball]

I better drink more the next time I head over to ebisu to help them pay for any potential fines... I think it's a good idea.

[k3mps]

Was at Ebisu tonight, and ya the server asked us all for ID as soon as we said "we'd like to order drinks"

[lgman]

1. Do stupid pointless undercover work for CBC
2. Get paid.
3. Get your older sibling or friends to get you some hard shit for the next house party.
4. Find a better source of news.

[Tim Budong]

i got checked at ebisu tonight...so yea...
honestly, the CBC should find something better to report...

on the other hand, responsible drinking usually begins after one bad incident involving yourself or someone close to you, whether it be just a DUI, alcohol poisoning, a "i fucking drank too much" or the worst case in a drinking and driving situation.

as for the laws vs translink.... yea... not gonna go into that one

[xilley]

waiting for someone to say "I KNOW THAT KID !"

and without me saying which one I think everyone noticed the asian kid..

[jepho]

The server at the keg is a good friend of mine. Won't go into detail right now (I'm drunk) but the whole thing is retarded. And the kid's comments on why they think they were served is retardd.
I get it but still

[StylinRed]

im surprised they didn't go to karaoke places especially the korean ones and korean diners not only would they catch underage drinking but they'd catch unlicensed alcohol sales

[Great68]

I can't remember how many times I used to go to the pub with my older cousins when I was only 17/18...

Shit by the time I was 18, my dad told me I could just get what I wanted from his beer fridge.

[Lowered_Klass]

Man, I don't know how many times I was served booze when I was underage. Very rarely did me or any of my buddies get checked.

On the other hand, 16-18 for me was a long ass time ago, so I'm guessing it's gotten a bit tougher lol.

[4444]

This is such a non issue, go to Europe where alcohol is a part of life to be enjoyed, children drink watered down alcohol (France is huge on kids respecting wine, in England, shandy (lemonade and lager) is a great summertime refreashment) - kids are never given enough to get drunk or even tipsy, but its about respecting alcohol and enjoying it

North America sees booze as such a taboo, creating an aura that really isn't deserved, when things are restricted they are often wanted just for that sake, hence dumb kids binge drinking (yes, kids in Europe binge drink too) - we need to chill the fuck out about booze, educate people to respect it and enjoy it - bring the drinking age down to 18, and please, deregulate it! So expensive to enjoy booze here

For the record, I barely drink here out of a) having been drinking responsibly since a young age, so there's no "need" to drink and b) out of principal - just so expensive here, for no other reason than the government wanting to 'control' it - who are the government to tell me what I should and shouldn't do (within the bounds of the law)

On last thing - why is the government in control of booze in BC, stems from prohibition days when Canada legalized booze (US was still restricted), so government controlled alcohol in Canada... Nothing has changed since, time to get with the times, BC

[GLOW]

A group of us, all 30+, got a table at Boston Pizza to watch a UFC event since our regular place was full up. The place was full of young people and the atmosphere was like a damn zoo. BP didn't help the experience much: on top of being carded, they kept our ID until we had paid our bills, and took pictures of everyone at the table. All to prevent moronic behaviour and dine and dashes. Damn children. That was the last time I ever took my business to BP.

just sayin :troll:

No they'll do what I did, wait in front of a liquor store, or send in the one who hit puberty earliest and looks like a 19 year old :lawl:


reminds me of what i'd use to see by the gas station by my house for cigarettes. bunch of LG's sending in the one that looks like she's 20 with the biggest rack :lawl:

[Phil@rise]

I for one dont want ANY establishment serving my 16yo daughter booze but if she is in the company of ME I dont mind if she has a social drink either with or without food. I believe something such as this should be at the discretion of a parent.

[k3lv]

The server at the keg is a good friend of mine. Won't go into detail right now (I'm drunk) but the whole thing is retarded. And the kid's comments on why they think they were served is retardd.
I get it but still

Please do share details when not drunk

[Bouncing Bettys]

just sayin :troll:
Yes that sort of behaviour comes with the territory in most cases but there are some pubs which show UFC events where the atmosphere is more mature and responsible. Places where the customers are older and experienced enough to know how to handle their liquour, who do not stumble into tables, who do not start fights because they think they're the next UFC champ, and who know how to manage their money so they don't feel inclined to dine and dash once the fights are over.

[Vale46Rossi]

I was talking to a server @ Wings the other night.

They carded me although I look WAY over 21.

I asked them why and they said if they get caught the server has to pay a $500 fine and restaurant has to pay too.

Also insta fire

[SumAznGuy]

I remember one time at the liquor store on Cambie and 41st. It was late June and the couple in front of us was in their grad outfits. Guy was in a tux and girl was in a fancy dress. They bought booze and weren't carded. I made a comment to the wife about them not being carded and the cashier obviously heard me cause he asked me for my ID.

[Graeme S]

I get carded fairly often these days, which seems...odd. Though that having been said, I seem to recall some LDB stores being fined for not checking (the North Road location had a sign up saying 'we didn't ID and had to pay a fine and keep this sign up for X weeks' or somesuch.

I notice now that most times when I get ID'd, the little receipt printer gives them a slip of paper and they write something (I'm assuming my birth year). It's probably one of those things just to remind them to ID instead of just assuming.

Also: they're always apologetic. Me, I'm like "Fuck it. When I was young, I'd get all pissed. Now, it feels good."

[Santofu]

Here you go guys.

I snapped a picture at work.

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/Santofu/IMG_20121117_170700.jpg

[Hondaracer]

Fuck that server shouldn't pay shit, should just be terminated
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[SkinnyPupp]

I was wondering, if there was a table of minors with one 19 year old, is it the restaurants responsibility to stop them from drinking? For instance would they be on the hook if the 19 year old ordered 3 pitchers of beer when obviously it's not for him?

[Gridlock]

I for one dont want ANY establishment serving my 16yo daughter booze but if she is in the company of ME I dont mind if she has a social drink either with or without food. I believe something such as this should be at the discretion of a parent.

I agree. I hate this nanny state bullshit.

[wstce92]

I HATE getting carded. Call it a irrational annoyance, but I fucking hate having to show my ID for anything.

When I was under 19, I wouldn't dare go home drunk. Isn't that where it should start and end? At home?

These fines for restaurants and servers are fucking ridiculous imho.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I'd say I look well over 19, but I still get carded everytime.

It's annoying, but it's a liability issue for the establishment so I understand.

[underscore]

I also like how they're like HAS CAUGHT HALF OF THE B.C. LOWER MAINLAND RESTAURANTS....which is actually just 2

half of the B.C. Lower Mainland restaurants that it tested

I don't think the waiters were train to check ID.

To legally serve alcohol you have to have SIR (Serving It Right). If someone is serving alcohol who hasn't had that training then the restaurant is already breaking the law.

[Tim Budong]

I'd say I look well over 19, but I still get carded everytime.

It's annoying, but it's a liability issue for the establishment so I understand.

u look fucking 15

[Razor Ramon HG]

Only because you know me, asshole, ahahahahahaha.

[Durrann]

The kids that went undercover most likely drinks every weekend lol
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[H.Specter]

u look fucking 15


http://i.imgur.com/V6SBu.jpg

[Mr.HappySilp]

I was wondering, if there was a table of minors with one 19 year old, is it the restaurants responsibility to stop them from drinking? For instance would they be on the hook if the 19 year old ordered 3 pitchers of beer when obviously it's not for him?

The restaurant can deny serveing you if they want to but then again they will most likely turn a blind eye because it was not the miniors that order the drinks. Is one of those grey areas. Is the same as getting your older brother, sister or friend to get get you beer or alcohol. What about at a house party? Is it the party host to make sure only legal age people drink or is it up to each invidual to make that choice? Family dinner gatherings?

I was able to drink with my family at like 15 I think, there are red wines in the house so if I steal a bottle and get drunk whose fault is it?

Also what if I have no ID but have several Credit cards? Does that prof I am over 19 coz you do have to be over 19 to get a credit card..........

[Energy]

Credit cards won't be enough because people can just get added on to their parents credit card.

[4444]

The restaurant can deny serveing you if they want to but then again they will most likely turn a blind eye because it was not the miniors that order the drinks. Is one of those grey areas. Is the same as getting your older brother, sister or friend to get get you beer or alcohol. What about at a house party? Is it the party host to make sure only legal age people drink or is it up to each invidual to make that choice? Family dinner gatherings?

I was able to drink with my family at like 15 I think, there are red wines in the house so if I steal a bottle and get drunk whose fault is it?

Also what if I have no ID but have several Credit cards? Does that prof I am over 19 coz you do have to be over 19 to get a credit card..........

I believe it's illegal to buy alcohol for minors, so not the store/restaurants liability (although restaurant is tough as if u witness an underage person drinking, they should do something about it)

As for a party, didn't some parents get charged for having their kids downstairs drinking - but the parents didn't even know they has booze!! Don't remember the exact details

All I know is this, our laws and treatment of alcohol are way too strict and ridiculous, yet our drink driving enforement is not sufficient (don't start me on the 0.05% alcohol rule - I think we're the only western nation to have it, which tells me it's not supported by solid science)

[BaoTurbo]

How many of you drank before you were 19?


Now how many of you had the balls before you were 19 to order a drink at a restaurant knowing the drinking age is 19 and the possibility of being checked and willing to suffer through the embarassment? Not many of you I don't think.

That is my 2 cents.

[Tim Budong]

How many of you drank before you were 19?


Now how many of you had the balls before you were 19 to order a drink at a restaurant knowing the drinking age is 19 and the possibility of being checked and willing to suffer through the embarassment? Not many of you I don't think.

That is my 2 cents.

never actually got ID' drinking in public at 18... asian places don't count

[4444]

How many of you drank before you were 19?


Now how many of you had the balls before you were 19 to order a drink at a restaurant knowing the drinking age is 19 and the possibility of being checked and willing to suffer through the embarassment? Not many of you I don't think.

That is my 2 cents.

I used to be a waiter, loads of kids tried, don't think there's much embarrassment involved

I've been buying booze since about 13 or 14 (in Europe) - was never a problem, all u need is a copy of an older brother's birth certificate :)

[Jason00S2000]

How many of you drank before you were 19?



The only person I know who waited until they were in their 20s to drink is now dead from drug and alcohol abuse

[Noir]

The only person I know who waited until they were in their 20s to drink is now dead from drug and alcohol abuse

What does that prove? You only know of one, yet I know tons of people who waited to be 19 or over to have their first alcoholic drink and they're alive, well, healthy and doing great.

[Energy]

What does that prove? You ony of one, yet I know tons of people who waited to be 19 or over to have their first alcoholic drink and they're alive, well, healthy and doing great.

He's saying that its cool for under-aged kids to drink and those that don't are losers.

[Manic!]

I for one dont want ANY establishment serving my 16yo daughter booze but if she is in the company of ME I dont mind if she has a social drink either with or without food. I believe something such as this should be at the discretion of a parent.

But how do they know who you are. Far all they know you could be a pedo.

[SumAznGuy]

What does that prove? You only of one, yet I know tons of people who waited to be 19 or over to have their first alcoholic drink and they're alive, well, healthy and doing great.

I think I had my first sip of beer when I was 14. Was drinking on a regular basis when I was 17.
Now, I can't stand it. I love being the DD and drinking fountain pop. :fullofwin:

[underscore]

I for one dont want ANY establishment serving my 16yo daughter booze but if she is in the company of ME I dont mind if she has a social drink either with or without food. I believe something such as this should be at the discretion of a parent.

Why? Most parents are fucking useless these days. Plus all that's gonna happen is kids will bring some creepy old SOB with them to get drinks.

[Nightwalker]

What does that prove? You only know of one, yet I know tons of people who waited to be 19 or over to have their first alcoholic drink and they're alive, well, healthy and doing great.

Yup, I waited. Smoked weed instead. :smokin:

[toyobaru]

Somehow, this doesnt surprise me that Ebisu was caught with this.

[Noir]

I think the whole issue about the age thing isn't if kids are better off with slacked adult-privilege restrictions or not. It's that in general, if something were to happen to kids/teenagers, at the end of the day it is us Adults that are ultimately responsible.

The social difference is that when you become 19 or over, there's a social expectation that YOU are an adult now; and at this point on, whatever decision (whether bad or good) is now ALL on you; and not us anymore.


So with that, I'm kinda against the "cool-dad/grown-ups" trend that seems to be the chic parenting thing to do now.

[Jason00S2000]

Why? Most parents are fucking useless these days. Plus all that's gonna happen is kids will bring some creepy old SOB with them to get drinks.

You deserve 10 thanks at a minimum for this post

[Tim Budong]

Why? Most parents are fucking useless these days. Plus all that's gonna happen is kids will bring some creepy old SOB with them to get drinks.

If I did something stupid... this is what happened to me
http://img.chinasmack.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Chinese-boy-getting-ass-whopped-by-feather-duster.jpg

Parenting... doing it right

[bloodmack]

My friend used to go around BC buying booze to see who'd ID you and who wouldn't.

[Jason00S2000]

My friend used to go around BC buying booze to see who'd ID you and who wouldn't.


I got ID'ed the other day, and I have a ton of grey hair


I was like... :suspicious:

Then the booze showed up, I forgot about it, and I was all like :woot2:

[Obsideon]

Hey everyone,
Was out of town for 2 weeks, did some Chef scouting in Japan.

Well this was certainly a doozy, I'll shed some light on what happened. It's not a justification of any means, we did screw up, the server was not careful and we got caught. Shit happens :(. We are now going to be much more careful in checking everyone even if you are 35 years old :p

It was a super busy Friday night, 4 people came in and I seated them in a booth. A waitress walked by with 2 pitchers of beer to another table. That table said they didn't order 2 pitchers, they only wanted one. The undercover table overheard that conversation and asked the waitress "oh if that's an extra pitcher that they don't want, we'll order it so you don't have to bring it back to the bar" ... so the waitress put it down. So sneaky lol... but obviously still our fault.
We normally check quite often if you look young but we had this one slip-up and now we are on the news with the big guns like The Keg ...

We did not get fined as this was not an "official" government issued investigation but you can be sure that we are now on their radar so we must be extra, extra careful incase they send in some older looking minors. I already warned all the servers that not only will the restaurant get fined a LOT of money, but the server will get fined too. So you will get checked if you come, bring your IDs! (unless you look like murdoc :lol)

[Phil@rise]

When I was 17 I started going to clubs with my friends sometimes we got let in sometimes we didnt. I was amazed when I'd hand my ID to the door man and he'd just let us in and not even do the math.
On the nights we didnt get in we'd smoke a joint pop some shrooms and trip around the sea wall lol

[inv4zn]

I for one dont want ANY establishment serving my 16yo daughter booze but if she is in the company of ME I dont mind if she has a social drink either with or without food. I believe something such as this should be at the discretion of a parent.

When I was 17 I started going to clubs with my friends sometimes we got let in sometimes we didnt. I was amazed when I'd hand my ID to the door man and he'd just let us in and not even do the math.
On the nights we didnt get in we'd smoke a joint pop some shrooms and trip around the sea wall lol

I hope your 16yo daughter doesn't find this thread one day :troll:

[Great68]

I'll get ID'd from time to time, I'm 31.

At this point I take it as a compliment, but I like to give them a little bit of grief by showing them my wedding ring and asking how many 18 year olds they know who are married.

[Obsideon]

I don't believe in the theory of "anything goes" as in purposely serving minors in order to make a few extra bucks. The cost of getting busted is something like $7500 + closure which would be even more revenue out the window. How many minors do we have to serve in order to make that back? Definitely not enough.

[HondaGuy]

I'll get ID'd from time to time, I'm 31.

At this point I take it as a compliment, but I like to give them a little bit of grief by showing them my wedding ring and asking how many 18 year olds they know who are married.

Me too .... same age and some ppl still ID me LOL...In return, I always ask them, "how old do I look like?" ... they pause and think...umm...22-24? hahah...nope, into my 30s...and they dont believe. Yah, they see my ring too...but its not enough to believe. Sometimes, I think...I'm older than you son...:concentrate:
Went to vegas and at the pool bar, I went to grab drinks with a 24 and 26 year old white girls (my friend's friend) who are taller than me. And when we all ordered our drinks, the mexican bartender asked for my ID only (laugh at self)...so I showed him, my 2 girl-friends said aloud, "He's the oldest one here, silly!" I burst out laughing...

[Phil@rise]

I'm 36 and get ID'd from time to time. I hate it when I've left my DL in my car and have to go out and get it. I'm fat balding and stink I dont know how I get laid but somehow some people are stupid enough to think I might be under age lol.

[unit]

in restaurants im always happy to present my ID since im an adult, and in liquor stores and corner stores i always just pull the damn thing out before they even ask. makes everyones life easier. they appreciate it and i dont have to stand there waiting for them to relluctantly ask. whats the huge deal or hassle about showing your ID anyway that people make such a fuss about it? i really dont get it.

[Everymans]

I was going to suggest that our prohibition laws for alcohol are ancient and pathetic, then I remembered that this city is notorious for drunken destruction, car crashes, and general dissidence when it comes to alcohol. Is there anything that can help this? I honestly have no problem with kids being restricted from drinking before 18. It might be fun, but so many terrible mistakes happen when you're too young to know what you are doing with certain substances. Not too long ago a bunch of drunk 16 year olds in my hometown died in a car accident. It's not like it's going to take that long to card someone, and if they don't have an id then don't give it to them. I think blame should also be put on the kids as well. If they think they can simply get away with it because of an employees understanding of the situation then they should receive some sort of punishment(besides a hangover). Just like the prostitution laws. Although I'm not well red up on them, is it illegal to pay a prostitute or to be a prostitute?

[MeowMeow]

^it's illegal to SOLICIT but PROSTITUTION is legal.

So basically you can sell your body but you can't communicate about the business.
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[dlo]

are you speaking from experience meowmeow? im willing to pay you but am not willing to discuss ur prositution business.. PM.

[mb_]

^ :lawl:
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[MeowMeow]

are you speaking from experience meowmeow? im willing to pay you but am not willing to discuss ur prositution business.. PM.

Shush don't give it away!
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[Obsideon]

I find it rather amusing how pretty much all of Asia has incredibly slack drinking laws, you can drink in public, drink in the park, drink at the beach. Alcohol is a plenty at your neighborhood 7-Eleven, and for dirt cheap! They even sell beer from VENDING MACHINES for crying out loud, do you think the machines check your ID?

Yet there isn't this rampant problem of shit-starters, random fights or crazy car crashes there. When I got rip-roaring drunk in Japan sipping Sake under a Cherry Blossom Tree in the public park, everyone was so friendly! Must be a culture thing... :pokerface:

[Graeme S]

When people admit to the fact that they shouldn't've been acting like retards, society is more orderly.

When people say "What's the big deal man, I was only having a little fucking fun with my buddies, why you gotta get all pissed?", consuming alcohol in public should be illegal.





Gotta stop the idiots from hurting us.