[Purely]

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/
"CPU's soldered onto motherboards"

Not sure how to quote entire article, but if someone could that would be great!


As of now, Intel already has the greater share of the enthusiast market, but I guess it isn't making enough money for it to stay. I personally don't like the idea of this, and hope AMD will continue to stay in the enthusiast market.

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Intel is killing the desktop, but not quite as soon as people expect it to, there will be one last gasp, but that is irrelevant. Word is finally leaking there won’t be a desktop PC chip in a bit over a year.

In a story that SemiAccurate has been following for several months, Broadwell will not come in an LGA package, so no removable CPU. The news was first publicly broken by the ever sharp PC Watch, english version here, but the news has been floating in the backchannel for a bit now. The problem? This information wasn’t floating around the OEMs or the majority of the PC ecosystem, they had no clue. What does all of this mean? Quite a bit.

The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year’s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast. Motherboards will still be available, but the CPUs that come with them will be soldered down. In addition to being a inventory management nightmare, OEMs won’t buy CPUs any more, the few remaining mobo vendors and ODMs will. As a side effect, it also cuts the enthusiast out of the picture for good, but more on that later.

Normally, you would expect Intel to tell the companies that are affected, the Asuses, Gigabytes, MSIs, and maybe Asrocks if they are still around, well ahead of time. This time Intel didn’t, and that should tell you a great deal about their intentions. At least a few key PC players found out from SemiAccurate a few months ago, and they were rather incredulous about the news. This state of mind has probably changed to a state a bit past peeved by now, their entire business is about to be gutted. Intel didn’t just do a bad job of messaging this one, they didn’t do any job of it.

Will Intel cut out the mobo makers entirely and just do everything themselves? Grabbing more of the pie seems to be their forte of late, but cutting out everyone but the physical assembly guys seems to be a bit of a stretch in the short term. SemiAccurate suspects that this decision has not been made, but expect Intel to gut the mobo makers influence one way or the other, they are currently seen by Santa Clara as having too much power. This is not going to be pretty no matter how it ends up.
That brings us to the next issue at hand, enthusiasts. They are pretty much dead, not that Intel seems to care. Since they nearly destroyed that nascent market with Nehalem, and have since progressively removed any features the enthusiast cares about while jacking the cost to buy them back to untenable levels, enthusiasts have become an endangered species. Unfortunately Intel doesn’t care about the enthusiast, and unsurprisingly they have moved on. ARM chips are now the focus for that crowd, and they are taking the mainstream geeks with them. Broadwell will end it for good, but….

SemiAccurate has been chasing the last bit of this story for several weeks, there is a very good chance that Broadwell’s successor, Sky Lake, will bring back a socketed CPU. Unfortunately it will only be for a generation, possibly two, nothing permanent. By then, the last remaining overclockers and experimenters on the PC front will be gone, and for good technical reasons. Increasing integration will make this minor backpedalling step a rather moot point, there won’t be anything left to tweak, and any headroom will have been screened out at the fab prior to fuses being blown. Worse yet, margin requirements will effectively make it not worth extreme cost. Haswell is the end of the line, if Sky Lake does backpedal a bit, it will be a form factor change only, not a philosophical one.

And so the PC ends with a whimper, not a bang. Broadwell will be available in a ‘desktop’ variant as well as a laptop version, but neither will be socketed. There are a lot of good technical reasons to release it only as an embedded and mobile CPU, but not for anyone other than Intel. They want more of the PC ecosystem, and are taking it. Enthusiasts have been written off, and the rest of the ecosystem is being preemptively kneecapped in case they try to step out of line. The desktop is dead, and with it, PCs become irrelevant, mobile or not.S|A

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[european]

damn

[OGCStrike]

noooooooooooooo
lets hope AMD steps up . :thumbs:

[Jmac]

I smell an anti-trust lawsuit coming if Intel follows through with this.

[twitchyzero]

as long as we can continue to upgrade video card, memory, storage and doesn't affect the way we can mount coolers then it's all gravy.

honestly when one needs to update their CPU...their mobo's socket is already out of date nayways

[ime2006]

as long as we can continue to upgrade video card, memory, storage and doesn't affect the way we can mount coolers then it's all gravy.

honestly when one needs to update their CPU...their mobo's socket is already out of date nayways

exactly........................................... ..............

[SkinnyPupp]

This rumor is still going? :rukidding:

My take on it is that the original article was only referring to Intel channel products, and laptops... Something like the Nuk they just released. I am not worried too much about Intel abandoning motherboards completely just yet.

If they do, let's hope AMD is still around

[yhmama]

This happening is very unlikely. Motherboards are not a very important aspect of your PC in the first place and make little difference unless you are overclocking and other stuff like that. However, if Intel does go this way they will lose a lot of customers to AMD who will still want to select their Mobo and CPU separately and not as a package. This would be a bad move for them. AMD will see a huge opening for themselves if this does happen. Intel could easily just have both and not lose a portion of the market and it is what I believe will happen.

[Purely]

as long as we can continue to upgrade video card, memory, storage and doesn't affect the way we can mount coolers then it's all gravy.

honestly when one needs to update their CPU...their mobo's socket is already out of date nayways

What happens when the mobo or cpu dies?

From Intel's point of view, I do agree on sockets getting out-dated quickly. However, if you look at AMD their socket is backward compatible, and is capable of running the Piledriver.

[Jmac]

Motherboards are not a very important aspect of your PC in the first place and make little difference unless you are overclocking and other stuff like that. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7DI/TObn1HnV2fI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/5JkvAtpbv7k/s1600/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[AzNightmare]

Simply put, people like options...

Building a PC is like "LEGO for adults", and if we get one less LEGO brick to play with...
:okay:

[asian_XL]

I used to be a PC guy...PC for porn, PC for games, PC for photo/video editting, PC for everything, but now you get a lot of good options. Can't foresee the PC enthusaists will continue the spending. I was planning to get the 3770k, end up keeping the C2D for word processing.

Gaming, consoles nowaday have pretty good graphic and controls.
Web surfing, a tab or cellphone offers similar experience
Porn, NAS would be a good choice for mobile fapping

word processing, video/photo editting I would choose PC, but it is going to tablet's direction.

[GLOW]

Porn, NAS would be a good choice for mobile fapping


:suspicious::heckno:

[AzNightmare]

Nah, not me.
I can't forsee myself ever making the switch to console until I have kids and buy a Nintendo for them so we can enjoy "family video game night" together.

And I'll probably still have my real gaming machine in the den.

Last console I've owned was a PS1, and I'm too used to having the convenience of doing pretty much everything on a PC. and it only gets better with dual (or more) monitors. I don't even use my tv any more. don't remember the last time I even turned it on.

There's no RTS on console (which is a good thing because Starcraft 64 was an absolute failure) and FPS with an analog stick is ridiculous.
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[Spoon]

Retailers must be happy. Don't have to stock 5+ flavors of motherboards from each manufacturer for every cpu socket there is.

[twitchyzero]

I used to be a PC guy...PC for porn, PC for games, PC for photo/video editting, PC for everything, but now you get a lot of good options. Can't foresee the PC enthusaists will continue the spending. I was planning to get the 3770k, end up keeping the C2D for word processing.

Gaming, consoles nowaday have pretty good graphic and controls.
Web surfing, a tab or cellphone offers similar experience
Porn, NAS would be a good choice for mobile fapping

word processing, video/photo editting I would choose PC, but it is going to tablet's direction.
yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

[FerrariEnzo]

for non techie consumers POV.. they just want something that works good without the hassle of know whats the difference between this motherboard or if its compatible with this cpu..

[John]

For the last five years, I have thought that Intel has way to many different sockets. I attributed this to Intel wanting their motherboards to go obsolete quickly so they can sell more chipsets. By soldering the CPU to the MB they can accomplish this even easier. Any CPU change will guarantee another MB sale.

[AzNightmare]

For the last five years, I have thought that Intel has way to many different sockets. I attributed this to Intel wanting their motherboards to go obsolete quickly so they can sell more chipsets. By soldering the CPU to the MB they can accomplish this even easier. Any CPU change will guarantee another MB sale.

That being said... the last 3 computers I owned, I bought in 2002, 2006, 2012.
So not really a big deal to me, since I only do big upgrades, and every time I get a new computer/upgrade,
every major component needs to be replaced to not have my system bottlenecked.

But for those that do small upgrades every few years, I can understand.

[Mr.HappySilp]

yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

Not sure but my parents still uses a desktop. Also for pro gamers they will want a desktop to get the best fps out. I myself just switch to a laptop about a month ago. So far so good. The only thing I miss is that I can't leave my laptop on overnight to download movies, TV shows so it takes forever to download something now instead of leaving my desktop on overnight and the downloads will be done in the morning.

[belaud]

This....isn't a rumor, Intel fully intends to make this happen, however, the chances of this actually happening is very slim. The only thing stopping them from doing this are the partners. (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Biostar, ETC)

That's pretty much all I can say.

[asian_XL]

wait until ARM can catch up Intel.

[AzNightmare]

yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

I wouldn't doubt that, but only until they have the technology to literally cram a desktop into a machine the size of a laptop.

But that still wouldn't explain the future accepting 17" screens (especially when big monitors are the latest trend) and miniature size keyboards.


The only people I know who use laptops are people who don't really use computers much in the first place. Maybe just to surf the net for 30 mins a day or do some homework. (I'm excluding people who have laptops for business and are always on the go)

[Mr.HappySilp]

I wouldn't doubt that, but only until they have the technology to literally cram a desktop into a machine the size of a laptop.

But that still wouldn't explain the future accepting 17" screens (especially when big monitors are the latest trend) and miniature size keyboards.


The only people I know who use laptops are people who don't really use computers much in the first place. Maybe just to surf the net for 30 mins a day or do some homework. (I'm excluding people who have laptops for business and are always on the go)

Actually i know a handful of people who use gaming laptops to game. They live in apartments or have roomate and having a desktop takes too much space. I myself uses my laptop to watch movies, play games surf the web, school work..... Laptops are becoming more mainstream in house holds. Desktop will still have its place (cheaper compare to a laptop, gaming desktops, office).

[shenmecar]

wait until ARM can catch up Intel.

ARMs too busy with mobile.

[SkinnyPupp]

ARM isn't anywhere close to x86 performance

[Spoon]

Laptops are becoming more mainstream in house holds. Desktop will still have its place (cheaper compare to a laptop, gaming desktops, office).

I'd take a full size keyboard over a laptop any day whether it be work or gaming. Has nothing to do with cost.

[twitchyzero]

^ you could just buy a keyboard and monitor for your laptop...

[Purely]

^ you could just buy a keyboard and monitor for your laptop...

The feeling is different, it just isn't the same thing. Whether it is gaming, watching movies, writing a paper, etc, I prefer to do it on a desktop, because it is a lot more comfortable.

[Spoon]

^ you could just buy a keyboard and monitor for your laptop...
:fulloffuck:

[Manic!]

The feeling is different, it just isn't the same thing. Whether it is gaming, watching movies, writing a paper, etc, I prefer to do it on a desktop, because it is a lot more comfortable.

How is the feeling different? when you are using a desktop keyboard and mouse?


The desktop for most people is dead. students buy laptops for school and when they finish school the keep using laptops. The only people that need desktops are heavy gamers and power users. I really like the AIO style computer. I bought one for my sister and the office. Takes up a lot less space. My bother who runs an accounting firm uses a laptop with a docking station with 2 monitors at work.

[SkinnyPupp]

The feeling is different, it just isn't the same thing. Whether it is gaming, watching movies, writing a paper, etc, I prefer to do it on a desktop, because it is a lot more comfortable.
Same here. My theory is because my laptop's screen isn't very good. It's only 1280x720, the contrast is pretty horrible, and the viewing angle is bad.

[Akinari]

Since I gave my old gaming desktop to my mum, I didn't have a desktop until recently (waiting for finals to finish to assemble it). I've got an i5-3210, HD4000 + HD7670M (running in parallel with leshcat drivers) hooked up to a 23" screen with a mouse and keyboard.

Functions just like a desktop :badpokerface: and it's just as powerful too.

[AzNightmare]

Well, if you hooked your keyboard and monitor to the laptop, then technically, it's physically the same...
But kind of defeats the purpose since you're still buying several desktop items.

As convenient as laptops are, any serious PC gamer or people that use
Adobe/Autodesk softwares for work simply can't rely on a laptop.


The only people that need desktops are heavy gamers and power users.

This. But you make it sound like there's next to none of these people left on the planet.
Depending on the industry of work, there's actually plenty of jobs that can't just dock a laptop
and expect it to be powerful enough.

And if you really think about it, a laptop almost takes up just as much space
if someone plans to dock it and hook it up with a keyboard and a monitor.
The only difference is the slightly more leg space under your table because there's no tower.
:suspicious:

Perhaps for the regular user, the laptop might be more common,
but I don't see the desktop being dead any time soon, since there's still so many people that need it,
and simply the massive amount of computer enthusiasts,
who rather have options on parts to build and personalize their PC's.

[Akinari]

The thing about desktops is obviously they're customizable/upgradable when hardware gets old. The same can't be said about laptops, so generally speaking desktops are a much better investment, so to speak...

[Manic!]

Well, if you hooked your keyboard and monitor to the laptop, then technically, it's physically the same...
But kind of defeats the purpose since you're still buying several desktop items.

As convenient as laptops are, any serious PC gamer or people that use
Adobe/Autodesk softwares for work simply can't rely on a laptop.



This. But you make it sound like there's next to none of these people left on the planet.
Depending on the industry of work, there's actually plenty of jobs that can't just dock a laptop
and expect it to be powerful enough.

And if you really think about it, a laptop almost takes up just as much space
if someone plans to dock it and hook it up with a keyboard and a monitor.
The only difference is the slightly more leg space under your table because there's no tower.
:suspicious:

Perhaps for the regular user, the laptop might be more common,
but I don't see the desktop being dead any time soon, since there's still so many people that need it,
and simply the massive amount of computer enthusiasts,
who rather have options on parts to build and personalize their PC's.

Lenovo, PH and other companies make desktop replacement notebooks. Some with Desktop CPU's and dual video cards. AnandTech - AVADirect Clevo X7200: Six Cores, SSD RAID, and GTX 480M SLI Yields World's Fastest DTR Notebook (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3970/avadirect-clevo-x7200-worlds-fastest-dtr)

The amount of computer enthusiasts is pretty small I would say only a few % of the entire market.

The thing about desktops is obviously they're customizable/upgradable when hardware gets old. The same can't be said about laptops, so generally speaking desktops are a much better investment, so to speak...

Depends on what you are using it for. mFor the average person a modern computer is more powerful than what they need.

[Purely]

How is the feeling different? when you are using a desktop keyboard and mouse?


The desktop for most people is dead. students buy laptops for school and when they finish school the keep using laptops. The only people that need desktops are heavy gamers and power users. I really like the AIO style computer. I bought one for my sister and the office. Takes up a lot less space. My bother who runs an accounting firm uses a laptop with a docking station with 2 monitors at work.

Everything is different, I guess it's hard to explain. The monitor size, viewing angle, sitting/typing posture, leaving my computer on overnights, ability to upgrade/swap parts, etc. To each of their own, it depends on what you're used to I guess. I only use my laptop when I'm at school/away.

Also, I can't imagine how annoying it is to reconnect my keyboard/mouse/speakers/printers/etc if I only have one laptop, and use it daily for school. With desktop keyboard/mouse, not exactly saving much space anymore.

I don't believe desktops will die, because many corporations are still using them. With technology advancing, it will be interesting to see how far tablets go, and the possibility of them taking a greater share of the consumer laptop market. E.g., I'm seeing more tablets now, some connected with keyboards in lectures taking notes, or reading e-texts.

[AzNightmare]

Lenovo, PH and other companies make desktop replacement notebooks. Some with Desktop CPU's and dual video cards. AnandTech - AVADirect Clevo X7200: Six Cores, SSD RAID, and GTX 480M SLI Yields World's Fastest DTR Notebook (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3970/avadirect-clevo-x7200-worlds-fastest-dtr)

The amount of computer enthusiasts is pretty small I would say only a few % of the entire market.

Depends on what you are using it for. mFor the average person a modern computer is more powerful than what they need.

On paper, I wouldn't doubt a laptop can push out similar specs as a desktop.

But I can only imagine how overheated a serious gaming/performance laptop would get without enough space to accommodate for big enough heatsinks or cramming in small fans that will need to spin at insanely high rpms (to make up for lack of size) will be deafening.

On paper, that laptop you posted seems to match up well, but the heavy price tag is quite ridiculous. And no one will actually use the laptop itself without hooking it up to a real monitor. Maybe two. And a standard sized keyboard as well, which just adds more to the pricing. It's basically going to be used as a mini desktop tower with inadequate cooling. So like I said before, the only space a laptop is saving in the end is just leg room under the table.

If anything, I would think tablet/hybrids like the ASUS Transformers are threatening to make laptops extinct in the future.

[underscore]

Oh ffs, so now if you want to swap mobo's for whatever reason (added features, hardware fault, etc you'll have to buy a new CPU as well? I could see doing this with some low end stuff, but not their whole lineup.

for non techie consumers POV.. they just want something that works good without the hassle of know whats the difference between this motherboard or if its compatible with this cpu..

So they can go buy a prebuilt machine. I'm getting really tired of everything being made for the least-technical denominator, the kinds of people that can't even use Google to research something before buying.

[Manic!]

On paper, I wouldn't doubt a laptop can push out similar specs as a desktop.

But I can only imagine how overheated a serious gaming/performance laptop would get without enough space to accommodate for big enough heatsinks or cramming in small fans that will need to spin at insanely high rpms (to make up for lack of size) will be deafening.

On paper, that laptop you posted seems to match up well, but the heavy price tag is quite ridiculous. And no one will actually use the laptop itself without hooking it up to a real monitor. Maybe two. And a standard sized keyboard as well, which just adds more to the pricing. It's basically going to be used as a mini desktop tower with inadequate cooling. So like I said before, the only space a laptop is saving in the end is just leg room under the table.


Laptops like that are for people that need access to there work at all times and for people that travel for work. A comparable desktop is going to be a larger and a lot harder to move.

[Presto]

Businesses will still need desktops, for non-mobile users. I can't see that ever going away. Sure, you can use a laptop, and dock it with dual screens and input devices, but these work computers aren't, and shouldn't, be portable. IT departments would go ape shit from thefts, accidental damage, and proprietary hardware.

[AzNightmare]

Laptops like that are for people that need access to there work at all times and for people that travel for work. A comparable desktop is going to be a larger and a lot harder to move.

I agree with that. Which is why I don't think the desktop is going to be dead...
People that travel for work or need access to their computer at all times is quite a low percentage in the entire market.

[SkinnyPupp]

RELAX.

AMD & Intel Both Confirm Commitment to Socketed CPUs (http://www.hardcoreware.net/amd-intel-confirm-socketed-cpus/)