[twitchyzero]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9245401/STEAM_M_console_controller_hero_large_verge_super_ wide.jpg

Steam OS based on Linux with Big Picture Mode to rival next-gen XBOX and Playstation. It's supposed to be a turnkey solution so it won't be very open-sourced and will be shipped from different manufacturers. It'll compliment the next-gen Source engine nicely

I hope they allow crossplatform multiplayer with conventional PC...especially for fps games:ifyouknow:

Gabe Newell: Living Room PCs Will Compete With Next-Gen Consoles (http://kotaku.com/5966860/gabe-newell-living-room-pcs-will-compete-with-next+gen-consoles)

[SkinnyPupp]

How is that "Steam box confirmed"? :derp:

[Glove]

useless,

you cant play competative anything on a large screen,

the only games I played that actually worked on my tv from my PC were sonic games, and slow paced rpg's

[StylinRed]

thought he would make it smart tv compatible so that steam would work off of all new tvs for some basic games just to get the average joe interested in steam

[twitchyzero]

useless,

you cant play competative anything on a large screen,

the only games I played that actually worked on my tv from my PC were sonic games, and slow paced rpg's
Well if they allow you to play the games you own on your steam account...it would be great. I would play non-1st person/RTS games on it.

How is that "Steam box confirmed"? :derp:

its head honcho confirmed the company is making hardware for the living room...which is what the Steam Box was rumoured to be so not sure why I got failed.

"valve confirms steam box" will also give you lots of hits on google news.

[SkinnyPupp]

Because nothing is confirmed. It's the same speculation that has been going on for years.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sorry I was a bit rough on you for that, but that is a really misleading topic :rukidding:

one step closer to a Valve Box maybe...

[twitchyzero]

did you even read the link?
Sure no detail has emerged yet but this is the first time Valve confirmed they are expanding their business into hardware

[SkinnyPupp]

They still haven't confirmed anything from Valve themselves. When he references "our hardware" he is referring to turnkey products powered by Valve software. In any case I don't really trust the source so that is what caused a lot of confusion...

[twitchyzero]

Valve's Steam Box could be revealed next week | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/16/4737622/valves-steam-box-could-be-revealed-next-week)

[Nismo200SX]

As far as specs go it'll likely be similar to PS4 running an AMD SOC like the A10 or something similar. Otherwise the prices would creep into PC territory which isn't good console buyers that hover around the $300-400 area.

[mos_skeeto]

I'm a little bit skeptical.

It would be great for platformers and action games, some of which are available on other platforms. I don't see this as ideal platform for competitive FPS since it's annoying to play on your couch with a keyboard and mouse. It's possible, just annoying. If you use a controller you'll be very handicapped. Call of Duty and Halo account for a lot of game sales for MS and Sony.

Indie fans would love it. Sony and MS have been picking it up (especially the Vita) with indie developers so this would be an interesting battleground.

If you're buying one to sit on your desk, you're just buying a computer that doesn't do computer things.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm a little bit skeptical.

It would be great for platformers and action games, some of which are available on other platforms. I don't see this as ideal platform for competitive FPS since it's annoying to play on your couch with a keyboard and mouse. It's possible, just annoying. If you use a controller you'll be very handicapped. Call of Duty and Halo account for a lot of game sales for MS and Sony.

Indie fans would love it. Sony and MS have been picking it up (especially the Vita) with indie developers so this would be an interesting battleground.

If you're buying one to sit on your desk, you're just buying a computer that doesn't do computer things.
Why do you think you have to use a kb/mouse with this? It is going to have a custom OS with a UI similar to those on modern consoles.

[mos_skeeto]

It will likely have both controller and keyboard support just like the current client. My comment was directed at FPS where keyboard and mouse works very well and controller users are at a disadvantage.
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[SkinnyPupp]

It will likely have both controller and keyboard support just like the current client. My comment was directed at FPS where keyboard and mouse works very well and controller users are at a disadvantage.
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I still don't get the complaint but OK

[twitchyzero]

SteamOS (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/)

I see no reason to keep windows around after 8.1 since I only game/browse/stream 99% of the time I use my computer....promising

[twitchyzero]

300 users will get picked for the steambox prototype testing happening at the end of the year
specs reveal imminent
final version will ship next year along with 3rd party hardware

Steam Machines (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/)

[SkinnyPupp]

Have to admit, I had my doubts when this was posted last year... This rumor has existed for at least 5 or 6 years, so to see if finally coming true is :fulloffuck:

I don't think it will be feasible as a standalone gaming PC system until most of the games are native though. But once they do... This pretty much proves that XBox One, Wii U, and PS4 are the last first party gaming consoles we'll ever see.

[twitchyzero]

i'm more interested in the steamOS streaming feature
that means I can play demanding games on my old HTPC connected to the TV while the game is being powered by my gaming rig

[StylinRed]

sonys ps tv thingamajig would have some serious competition heck maybe even the ps4 if this thing comes out soon enough and strong enough

[MarkyMark]

As a console gamer I'm not totally convinced yet. How will these different "boxes" work, will some be more powerful than others? Will they all be capable of playing even the most powerful games for the next 8 years or so? The reason I like consoles is I don't need to do any maintenance, the PlayStation will work with any game that's made for it.
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[SkinnyPupp]

All they have to do is provide a minimum spec.. And that doesn't even have to be high to keep up with the PS4 and XB1, especially if the OS allows developers to program straight to hardware, or at least more directly than with Windows.

And from there, you can upgrade if you want better graphics.

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's what John Carmack had to say on twitter, about how MS and Sony might respond:

http://i2.wp.com/gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/carmack1pute1.jpg

There is even speculation (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7371/understanding-amds-mantle-a-lowlevel-graphics-api-for-gcn) that Mantle (AMD's low level hardware API that will give console like access to hardware, meaning much better performance) is a direct rip from XBox 1's API, or PS4's (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-could-amd-mantle-revolutionise-pc-gaming).

This will mean 100% direct ports from consoles, running on potentially superior hardware, with little effort by programmers :fullofwin:

[MarkyMark]

I'll keep an eye on it, but I don't see it coming in and just taking over the gaming market. If I mentioned Steam to anyone I know who games they'd have no idea what it is.

Who knows maybe I'm wrong but having a bunch of steam boxes of different brands and prices would be confusing as fuck for people who don't already game on PC
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[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah I definitely see that a lot of people (mostly console gamers) are confused and ignorant about what all this really is. Valve has a LOT of work cut out for them in educating these people, that's for sure.

[twitchyzero]

As a console gamer I'm not totally convinced yet. How will these different "boxes" work, will some be more powerful than others? Will they all be capable of playing even the most powerful games for the next 8 years or so? The reason I like consoles is I don't need to do any maintenance, the PlayStation will work with any game that's made for it.
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good point...they said AAA titles will run natively on SteamOS but will it be able to run on lower spec steam boxes and how will upgrades look

from the description given it sounds likely they will implement the Mantle API as mentioned in Skinnypupp's post...if true I can see AMD completely dominating the industry the rest of this decade.

Valve said they'll announce supported AAA titles in the coming weeks..I hope that means HL3 reveal :okay:
They just need Half-Life 3 with SteamOS exclusive tech features and the adoption rate will skyrocket :ilied:

[SkinnyPupp]

This is the email I sent to a podcast I listen to (Rebel FM). Thought I'd share it here too

I'm not sure what you guys think of Steambox (I assume you'll discuss
it on this week's episode if there is one), but I noticed that a lot
of the mainstream gaming press is really underestimating the potential
for it to completely take over the gaming industry.

I get that the main disadvantage is "no native games". Developers will
have to port to a new OS, different from consoles, and different from
Windows PC. For now, it can stream from a Windows PC, which is a good
temporary fix for people to check it out.

This is where AMD Mantle comes in. Mantle is a new API (along the
lines of DirectX or native APIs used by consoles like PS3 or PS4) that
gives programmers direct access to hardware. If this sounds familiar,
it's because this is what console APIs have always had, and why
consoles are able to get much more performance out of comparatively
weaker hardware compared to PC.

With Mantle, Steambox has an API for developers to port to. However
the key is that Mantle may very well be a direct rip of either XBox
One's or PS4's API. If not, it will be very similar, to the point
where porting a game from console to Mantle (and subsequently
Steambox) will be a very simple process. Even easier than porting to
Windows.

So now we'll have a new 'console' - a user can build a PC or buy a
Steambox with similar specs to the Xbox One or PS4 at a MUCH lower
cost than either of those consoles. By the end of 2014, it will be
receiving release date native ports. PC gamers will be running games
in Mantle mode when they can.

By 2015, I think there is a chance of there being no compelling reason
to go out and buy a Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft console. Maybe for
first party games, but it would have to be a damn good game to justify
a $500 expense to play it.

[twitchyzero]

how MUCH cheaper can you build a PC that will perform on par with PS4/XB1? Even with Mantle I'm thinking one would need at least $400. I'll wait until AMD's developer summit in November before I can say for sure but right now it hasn't exactly been showcased yet.

[SkinnyPupp]

how MUCH cheaper can you build a PC that will perform on par with PS4/XB1? Even with Mantle I'm thinking one would need at least $400. I'll wait until AMD's developer summit in November before I can say for sure but right now it hasn't exactly been showcased yet.
Right this moment you could probably put together a mATX Core i3 system with a Radeon 7850 for around $400-500. So the price of the consoles... But next year the GPU will be replaced by cards that are cheaper and faster than the 7850, and when AMD releases an APU with GCN (or even GCN 2.0) then look out.

[dangonay]

They should have been giving out those prototype Steam boxes back at the beginning of this year. If they're doing it when they say (end of this year) then they likely won't have anything for sale until next spring/summer. That's way too late. Sony and MS are going to sell a shitload of consoles this holiday season and on into next year.

That's the worst time to try and promote a new type of console.
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[MarkyMark]

Plus Sony and MS
have spent years building a brand, people won't just flock to this new console just because it's a bit cheaper.

"What do you mean I can't play Halo?"
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[mos_skeeto]

New controller:
Steam Controller (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/)

[Manic!]

Plus Sony and MS
have spent years building a brand, people won't just flock to this new console just because it's a bit cheaper.

"What do you mean I can't play Halo?"
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"What do you mean I can't play Mario?"

Who would have thought Sony and Microsoft would be the biggest names in gaming.

[MarkyMark]

"What do you mean I can't play Mario?"

Who would have thought Sony and Microsoft would be the biggest names in gaming.

Yeah except kids grew up and while Nintendo is still only pumping out more Mario, Sony and the like have games for all ages. What is steam bringing to the table that I can't get on a PlayStation already? More FPS's?
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[SkinnyPupp]

Here's my take on the controller Valve Steam Controller May be the FPS Gamepad You've Been Waiting For (http://www.hardcoreware.net/valve-steam-controller-announced/)

[SkinnyPupp]

And it looks like my thinking is in line with people who have actually used it

Gamasutra - Select game developers used the Steam Controller. Here's what they said (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/201195/Select_game_developers_used_the_Steam_Controller_H eres_what_they_said.php)

[twitchyzero]

I can't see this controller priced less than $80? Looks killer but the whole point was to bring Steam to the masses then it better be priced accordingly

[SkinnyPupp]

You can use an XBOX controller if you prefer, or can't afford one like this. This is a specialty item, along the lines of Kinect, etc. Basically can be used as a way to transition from KB & Mouse to living room.

[twitchyzero]

yeah i'd figured a conventional pad would work...still...good thing is no analog stick wearing out...dem L3 zoom-ins/sprints :okay:
this is pretty exciting as Valve's first hardware venture...I now have high hopes for the steambox

[SkinnyPupp]

TBH I'd give all this up to get Half Life 3 :(

[ForbiddenX]

Maybe Half-Life 3 will be a launch title on the Steam Box?? '

... one can dream

[twitchyzero]

:lawl::seriously:
Xi3's Piston modular PC launching November 29th for $1,000 (http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/30/xi3-piston-november-29/)

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup here's my writeup from last night

Xi3 Piston "console" available Nov. 29, ridiculously overpriced (http://www.hardcoreware.net/xi3-piston-available-nov-29/)

[twitchyzero]

unless Valve will subsidze their Steam Machine in a bid to push Steam into most living rooms a la Google and NexusI can't see it being south of $500.

feel free to edit the thread title to Valve Steam Machines or merge it with the Steam thread.

[Manic!]

unless Valve will subsidze their Steam Machine in a bid to push Steam into most living rooms a la Google and NexusI can't see it being south of $500.

feel free to edit the thread title to Valve Steam Machines or merge it with the Steam thread.

With a AMD A10 it could be possible to go under $500.

Here is referb unit: Newegg.ca - Refurbished: Black HEAVY METAL Desktop PC for Metalheads with AMD A10-5700 3.4GHz 4GB DDR3 1TB HDD and Windows 8 (VDD-131) (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883148131)

[SkinnyPupp]

unless Valve will subsidze their Steam Machine in a bid to push Steam into most living rooms a la Google and NexusI can't see it being south of $500.

feel free to edit the thread title to Valve Steam Machines or merge it with the Steam thread.
Valve have already said they will be subsidizing, but even then not every company will be as greedy as Xi3.

[twitchyzero]

MOTHER OF GOD

80+ Gold PSU, Nvidia hardware up to Titans and Intel processors up to i7s...and SSHD?!

fully upgrade-able and they're even willing to let ppl replicate their case by providing source CAD files

i'm completely shocked they didn't go AMD route...full steam ahead!

dimension seems comparable to the PS4/XB1

prototype specs
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU:some boxes with Intel : i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB DDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high

Steam Community :: Group :: Steam Universe (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse#announcements/detail/2145128928746175450)

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah not going strictly AMD is frankly kind of stupid.

[twitchyzero]

Valve has no plans to release this reference design and will rely on 3rd parties to make 'em

the steam controller will be bundled with each steam machine tho

the press release one has GTX780 + i7 processor
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1730470/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9245401/STEAM_M_console_controller_hero_large_verge_super_ wide.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup I collected the best pics here :)

Valve Steam Machine Details Revealed to Tech Blogs (http://www.hardcoreware.net/valve-steam-machine-details-revealed-tech-blogs/)

[twitchyzero]

i just came across Verge's article....excellent read. Looks like their hardware survey years after years is paying off.

Look at all the different types of controller prototypes they went through :lol

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9243875/2013-10-23_05-13-32_verge_super_wide.jpg


they even hinted a biometrics VR headset...I'm thinking an add-on to Oculus

[twitchyzero]

$500 from ibuypower with R9 270
http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ibuypower_steam_machine_01.jpg

$1000+ Piixl Jetpack with GTX Titan that tucks behind your TV with the vesa mount
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jetpack2.jpg
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jetpackguts.jpg

[twitchyzero]

if anyone cares
Steam Machine prototype exposed

http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2013/10/Steam-Machine-insidesPCG.jpg
Steam Machine Tear Down - YouTube

~$1200 worth of parts...wonder how the GPU is gonna breath

[MarkyMark]

Who is going to buy these things with a 800+ price tag on it? People bitch about the playstation being expensive at 400 bucks, and PC gamers already have their gaming rig.

[SkinnyPupp]

Who is going to buy these things with a 800+ price tag on it? People bitch about the playstation being expensive at 400 bucks, and PC gamers already have their gaming rig.
The same people who buy $14,000 4K TVs and don't want a console with technology that is already 3 years old running at barely 1080p 30 FPS.

Everyone else can either buy a cheaper one or better yet, build our own HTPC gaming rig.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Will these Steam Boxes be cheaper than building an equivalent hardware specced PC? Can you install Windows to it?
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[SkinnyPupp]

Full specs aren't out, but how much is an AMD system with an R9 270? The ones at ibuypower start at $500-600 and don't have an auxiliary video card at all

[MarkyMark]

The same people who buy $14,000 4K TVs and don't want a console with technology that is already 3 years old running at barely 1080p 30 FPS.

Everyone else can either buy a cheaper one or better yet, build our own HTPC gaming rig.

That's a pretty small market to go after. I'm sure there will be some cheaper steam boxes at some point but with the specs it will come with is there any guarantee it'll play all the games that come out even two years later?
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[Manic!]

Steam OS is out.

SteamOS (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/)

Download

Index of /download (http://repo.steampowered.com/download/)

[twitchyzero]

these will definitely be niche products in the next few years...but if it gains traction I do see most PC gamers slowly ditching their desk in favour of the living room if the controller works as well as advertised.

[SkinnyPupp]

That's a pretty small market to go after. I'm sure there will be some cheaper steam boxes at some point but with the specs it will come with is there any guarantee it'll play all the games that come out even two years later?
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You asked who would buy an $800 box.. that is obviously a small market.

So yes, there will be plenty of cheap ones. The first steam box announced is for $500. I'm not sure why you focused on the freakshow $800 one

[MarkyMark]

Well back to my point, the ps4 will be relevant for 8 years or so, how long will this 500 dollar box last for before it won't play a AAA title?

PC games are better because people spend like a grand making it that way, a "budget" PC doesn't exactly sound like a huge step above PS4.
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[SkinnyPupp]

Well back to my point, the ps4 will be relevant for 8 years or so, how long will this 500 dollar box last for before it won't play a AAA title?

PC games are better because people spend like a grand making it that way, a "budget" PC doesn't exactly sound like a huge step above PS4.
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That $500 machine is probably already as powerful as a PS4 (if not more), so probably about as long as the PS4. A 'budget' PC can absolutely be more powerful than a PS4.

Console specs will hold multiplatform games to approximately the current standard (maybe a bit higher). What you see now is about what you'll see 6 years from now. Whether on a PS4, Xbox On3, or Steam Machine.

The only reason to get one console over anything else is for first party titles, not for higher graphics performance or anything else. So if you like Sony games, Microsoft games, or Nintendo games, you have to get one of those.

[Manic!]

My understanding is some of these boxes will be upgradeable and the cheapest ones could cost as little as $99.

http://blog.ibuypower.com/2013/09/valve-steam-box-prototype-coming-completely-open/

I have been thinking about building a HTPC with somthing like an AMD A10 for around 3 to 4 hundred but If I can get a steambox for around $500 it seems like a no brainier to just buy a steam box.

[MarkyMark]

So then these 500 dollar steam boxes will most likely barely be running 30FPS at 1080p as well? These steam boxes are pretty confusing and i'd like to think i'm more technically inclined than the average consumer. They are making a bunch of different versions, with some ranging well over a thousand dollars. Maybe you're right and it'll just be a rich persons toy because I don't see the mainstream consumer picking a 500 dollar steambox over a 500 dollar XBox One.

[MarkyMark]

My understanding is some of these boxes will be upgradeable and the cheapest ones could cost as little as $99.

iBUYPOWER Gaming NewsValve: Steam Box Prototype Coming, Completely Open » iBUYPOWER Gaming News (http://blog.ibuypower.com/2013/09/valve-steam-box-prototype-coming-completely-open/)

I have been thinking about building a HTPC with somthing like an AMD A10 for around 3 to 4 hundred but If I can get a steambox for around $500 it seems like a no brainier to just buy a steam box.

"Good, better, and best". Now there will be the poor, middle class, and wealthy when it comes to what games you get to play ;)

[SkinnyPupp]

So then these 500 dollar steam boxes will most likely barely be running 30FPS at 1080p as well? These steam boxes are pretty confusing and i'd like to think i'm more technically inclined than the average consumer. They are making a bunch of different versions, with some ranging well over a thousand dollars. Maybe you're right and it'll just be a rich persons toy because I don't see the mainstream consumer picking a 500 dollar steambox over a 500 dollar XBox One.
Steam Machine is just a type of Gaming PC. One that is designed to be used in the living room. It doesn't mean any more than that. You can get a $500 one, a $1000 one, or a $99 one... It depends on what you want from it.

"They" (as in Valve) aren't making any versions other than the prototype. They created the brand and philosophy that manufacturers can license and sell products based upon.

It's like Intel's "UltraBook". There is no Intel UltraBook, but there are many based on Intel's design. They need to be within a certain size and weight range, with specific battery life, etc.

Whether someone wants to spend $500 on a Steam Machine or an Xbox One or PS4 is up to them. Each has its own pros and cons... I think the biggest advantage of a Steam Machine is that if you already have a bunch of games on Steam, you don't need to buy any games for it. You'll just plug it into your TV and instantly have access to all your games. And when you buy a new one, you won't lose all your games due to lack of backwards compatibility. They will always be there for you. And you will be able to enjoy huge discounts during steam sales. Then you have humble bundle, etc. And the online platform is huge.

[MarkyMark]

Maybe I just like the security of knowing every game the comes to the PS4 will be playable on PS4 for the entire generation. If Sony made a low, mid, and high end version this time around I wouldn't have touched any with a ten foot pole. I get that it's not Valve making them but you get the idea.

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe I just like the security of knowing every game the comes to the PS4 will be playable on PS4 for the entire generation. If Sony made a low, mid, and high end version this time around I wouldn't have touched any with a ten foot pole. I get that it's not Valve making them but you get the idea.
No, I don't get the idea... Any game that comes out will have settings that are playable on any system.

Hell you can play Battlefield 4 on a Core i3 with integrated graphics, with higher settings and better performance than the PS3.

[MarkyMark]

No, I don't get the idea... Any game that comes out will have settings that are playable on any system.

Hell you can play Battlefield 4 on a Core i3 with integrated graphics, with higher settings and better performance than the PS3.

And that's why it'll fail. Would you buy these cheaper boxes to play PC games on gimped settings? They won't steal PS or XBox gamers because it'll still be at least around the same price, run about the same and none of the exclusives they are used to. Can't transfer their achievements or trophies (not that i care about that but apparently a lot of people do). They won't steal PC gamers who are already on steam with their $2000 rig.

I also think a lot more PC games will come to the next gen consoles now that the specs are better too.

[SkinnyPupp]

k

[Manic!]

And that's why it'll fail. Would you buy these cheaper boxes to play PC games on gimped settings? They won't steal PS or XBox gamers because it'll still be at least around the same price, run about the same and none of the exclusives they are used to. Can't transfer their achievements or trophies (not that i care about that but apparently a lot of people do). They won't steal PC gamers who are already on steam with their $2000 rig.

I also think a lot more PC games will come to the next gen consoles now that the specs are better too.

The systems might be the same price but what about the games. Humble Bundle anyone?

[MarkyMark]

The systems might be the same price but what about the games. Humble Bundle anyone?

Sounds like they'll have some advertising to do because I have no clue what humble bundle is. I'm not opposed to ever playing on steam but I won't be a guinea pig for these new boxes

[Manic!]

Sounds like they'll have some advertising to do because I have no clue what humble bundle is. I'm not opposed to ever playing on steam but I won't be a guinea pig for these new boxes

You own a computer so whats stopping you? steam has games at a variety of prices and have sales all the time.

Humble Bundle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Humble Bundles (previously known as Humble Indie Bundles) are a series of collections ("bundles") of digital creations that are sold and distributed online at a price determined by the purchaser. The bundles are typically offered on a semi-regular basis during a two-week period; sales often include bonus games or media offered mid-week through the sale for those that have already purchased the bundle or otherwise pay more than the average. Early bundles featured independently developed, multi-platform games (including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux platforms) provided without digital rights management (DRM). Later bundles have included those geared towards games from established developers, games for Android-based devices, bundles promoting game jams, and in three cases, a bundle consisting of mainstream titles from a major publisher. Sales of bundles are split between the developers/creators, the Humble Bundle operators, and one or more charities including Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, charity: water, and the American Red Cross, with the buyer able to set the revenue split between these groups.

[MarkyMark]

You own a computer so whats stopping you? steam has games at a variety of prices and have sales all the time.

Humble Bundle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Bundle)

The Humble Bundles (previously known as Humble Indie Bundles) are a series of collections ("bundles") of digital creations that are sold and distributed online at a price determined by the purchaser. The bundles are typically offered on a semi-regular basis during a two-week period; sales often include bonus games or media offered mid-week through the sale for those that have already purchased the bundle or otherwise pay more than the average. Early bundles featured independently developed, multi-platform games (including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux platforms) provided without digital rights management (DRM). Later bundles have included those geared towards games from established developers, games for Android-based devices, bundles promoting game jams, and in three cases, a bundle consisting of mainstream titles from a major publisher. Sales of bundles are split between the developers/creators, the Humble Bundle operators, and one or more charities including Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, charity: water, and the American Red Cross, with the buyer able to set the revenue split between these groups.

That wasn't really my point, I know I can search to find out i'm saying they need to get that info out to the mass consumer unless their slogan is "Steambox, Google it!"

[Manic!]

Another thing to think about is development costs. How much did it cost Sony and Microsoft to develop the new consoles. Steam just designed a controller and OS. The hardware is pretty much off the self.

[Cman333]

Dear god I'm running out of space in my home theatre stand.

Xbox 360 x2
Xbox One
PS3
PS4
Cable
Receiver
Media Box

Now maybe even a steam machine? FML. LOL

I think if the specs are good and they have the blockbuster titles and some great exclusives it might do ok. Factoring in inflation people were paying easily 700+ for consoles of their time.

[twitchyzero]

I have no need for steam machine but love this concept...if they go on kickstarter i'll pledge em.

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[MarkyMark]

I have no need for steam machine but love this concept...if they go on kickstarter i'll pledge em.

PC meets PSP: Steamboy Machine project wants to take PC gaming portable | PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2363566/pc-meets-psp-steamboy-machine-project-wants-to-take-pc-gaming-portable.html)

Yeah I can see that being like 1500 bucks

[twitchyzero]

if they can crowdsource ouya...this is definitely feasible without breaking the bank. You can get away with modest specs because most are gonna use this to stream and not trying to play demanding games rendered on the device itself
nvidia shield announced remote streaming couple months ago...it'd be nice if this can do that

[twitchyzero]

Yeah I can see that being like 1500 bucks

$300 pre-order

terrible name, so much potential doe....hope it actually ships and is half decent

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[MarkyMark]

Totally forgot about these steam machines, my what a splash they've made.

[Manic!]

Totally forgot about these steam machines, my what a splash they've made.

The controller has not been released yet.

[MarkyMark]

Maybe in a couple more years then