[inv4zn]

Article: High school girls basketball team gets ruthlessly thrashed 107-2 | canada.com (http://o.canada.com/2012/12/13/high-school-girls-basketball-team-gets-ruthlessly-thrashed-107-2/)


An Indiana high school girls basketball team got beaten worse than a rented mule yesterday, losing 107-2.

In what can only be considered as simply untrue, Bloomington South coach Larry Winters told the Indianapolis Star there was no effort to embarrass their opponents or run up the score during Tuesday’s game.

The team that lost, Arlington, currently sits at a woefully 0-6 this year, having lost 23 straight games.

Now correct me if I’m wrong, but beating a team in basketball by over one hundred points doesn’t seem very sporting.

Not only did Bloomington South thrash Arlington on the court, but they also managed to do the same thing to their school’s reputation in the process.

Running up the score to this extent is classless and demonstrates a complete lack of compassion and empathy.

Chris Kaufman, the assistant commissioner for the Indiana High School Athletic Association, says there is no “mercy rule” in Indiana.

Well, it would seem as though there’s no discretion either.

Perhaps Arlington shouldn’t have a basketball team in the first place. But any sensible adult should know better than to instruct their team to keep beating the living daylights out of their opponents.

At the end of the day, it’s HIGH SCHOOL basketball and not the NBA.

Why Bloomington South didn’t just dribble around the ball and put up the occasional brick remains a mystery.

Winters contends that his team didn’t stop shooting because “that would have been more embarrassing” to Arlington, whose only points came on a free throw in the second quarter and another in the third.

Missing a few shots intentionally or letting the other team score a bucket or two would have been more embarrassing then tearing the opposition apart as if they were wet tissue paper?

If Winters truly believes that, then it’s reasonable to conclude that he doesn’t know much about sportsmanship and should therefore not be in a position to coach teenagers.


What do you guys think?

People are bashing the winning team for having no compassion and purposefully embarrassing the losing team. The coach was apparently fired after a public apology as well.

[StylinRed]

I can understand the coachs position if they purposely played to lose after a lead it would be like rubbing salt in a fresh wound

if the other team was truly that bad i could see the score being a lot higher than what it ended up being though so many the players did show some discretion?

maybe the coach should have told his team to just try and shoot 3 pointers instead?

kind of a lose lose situation

[Mr.HappySilp]

LOL there is no mercy in this world. If a team is this bad maybe they should see why they are this bad to get beaten so badly.

Can't blame the other teams for playing, after all it is ia sports and the general rule of thumb is to play your hardest.

[MR_BIGGS]

I played highschool bball and our team was pretty good (top five provincially ranked) and we often played teams that had no business being on the court. That said, if it was going to be a blowout and we were up 30+, our coach would put in the bench players. It's a respect thing, and you are not proving anything beating a shitty team. Or if we were up by a lot, he'd try new things with us (new offenses we were learning, or a new defensive set). If the bench players continued running up the score, than too bad for the other team.

[GLOW]

clear the bench and start running plays using up the clock. i wouldn't chuck up bricks like the author suggests. at the same time i wouldn't keep up the intensity as if it were the championship game.
@stylinred
i dunno about trying to shoot 3 pointers? what if they get hot and start makin' them :lawl:

[freakshow]

2 points??? The coach is definitely nuts. It's not really about telling his team to only shoot threes, it's to ease up on the defense and let the other team score a few as well. Unless, even with no defense, the other team couldn't put the ball in the hoop, which i find hard to believe of the course of the entire game.

[Spoon]

The coach is probably filing a wrongful dismissal suit right now.

[GLOW]

2 points??? The coach is definitely nuts. It's not really about telling his team to only shoot threes, it's to ease up on the defense and let the other team score a few as well. Unless, even with no defense, the other team couldn't put the ball in the hoop, which i find hard to believe of the course of the entire game.

you never know. when you're up against a team that's obviously way better than you, you can easily lose your confidence and start to miss open jumpers or layups and be completely out of rhythm. but 2 points is pretty :ahwow:

[Gridlock]

There's no mercy rule in Indiana...ok. Is there a rule against the coach going to the other bench and saying, "hey, wanna just call it?"

I don't know why there is controversy over it. It's high school basketball. How much fault can there be if the other team sucks that bad?

[inv4zn]

There's controversy because we live in a society where we "must protect the rights of everyone." :rolleyes:

But in this case it might have made sense...the team that lost will be humiliated for a very long time. In this day and age where kids are as fragile as ever due to overprotection and such, results might be pretty big.

[kakucaekz]

Reminds of hockey, I think it was the World Juniors where Canada would score 10+ goals and destroy the opposing team.

I seriously don't think that running up the score was so bad, especially since it's high school basketball, and the team that got pummelled apparently just sucks, and I'm sure they know it. But then again, 107-2 is a ridiculous score; average points are like 50-70 in a high school match, I think?

[Hondaracer]

Too many bleeding hearts in this world, participation ribbon generation
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[Nightwalker]

What are they supposed to do? Wander aimlessly around the court once they get a solid lead?

[604STIG]

I think they fired the wrong coach. I can understand how embarrassing it would be to lose by that much, but I think it would be worse to have to see the other team all but stop playing just to "make you feel better" about being so shitty. Too much sensitivity now days regarding kids, how are they ever going to learn about disappointment and failure, it does help build character. Need to teach that you can't win all the time, and that everything isn't made of candies and rainbows.

[Mr.HappySilp]

There's no mercy rule in Indiana...ok. Is there a rule against the coach going to the other bench and saying, "hey, wanna just call it?"

I don't know why there is controversy over it. It's high school basketball. How much fault can there be if the other team sucks that bad?

LOL yea is a sports you are suppose to give it your best! Just coz the other team suck balls doesn't mean you go easy on them.

[Isaiah11]

I would watch this game

[Bouncing Bettys]

Its a bit disappointing to see the notion of sportsmanship appear to be lost on more recent generations. Its not about handing out participation ribbons.

Sportsmanship: is an aspiration or ethos that a sport or activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors


I got much more out of sports when the competition was close than from a blowout. When I see old teammates and opposing players, we discuss the close games with much more detail and enthusiasm. One of my earliest personal sports memories, from soccer at the age of 5, isn't a goal or a save, it was offering a hand up to an opposing player who attempted a tackle on me.

[sonick]

Reminds of hockey, I think it was the World Juniors where Canada would score 10+ goals and destroy the opposing team.

I seriously don't think that running up the score was so bad, especially since it's high school basketball, and the team that got pummelled apparently just sucks, and I'm sure they know it. But then again, 107-2 is a ridiculous score; average points are like 50-70 in a high school match, I think?

The thing is for the World Juniors, I believe they take point spread or total goals into account for tiebreakers, so it encourages stronger teams to run up the score.

I doubt it is the case with high school basketball. Just a simple lack of sportsmanship and class.

[van_city23]

I played in high school, university and a bit after that as well. You don't step on the court to purposely miss and throw up shots. To any competitor, that's just plain stupid. What we would do in blow outs was to work on different half court sets, pull out fast breaks into half court sets, use the full shot clock, no full court pressure but at the same time, your pride, competitiveness and whatever else you have inside you has the instinct not to give up free points either (speaking for an athlete's mind). All the strong players would start the game and then let the bench players get theirs. Keep in mind that these girls are in high school meaning some of them are trying to go get ncaa div. 1 scholarships and whatnot so they have to get their numbers. I wouldn't put any blame on the coach at all. There are plenty of other recreational leagues that the girls can enter their school team as a club team in that could be less competitive. It's the nature of competition. Where would you draw the line is a tough one though... if my team was being blown out and the other team was showboating about it, well lets just say the line in crossed.

[gdoh]

I don't know about you guys but I play games to win not to lose and if I'm wining by a lot, I like to see how bad I can beat the person, as long as your humble about it in the end there should be no problem.

[hotshot1]

The coach was fired? That's the dumbest decision that could have come out of this.

Herm Edwards "You play to win the game!" - YouTube

[bing]

I don't see too many choices - either end the game early, do stupid shit to waste time, or play normally and beat the shit out of your opponents.

If Arlington sucks that bad, does every team have to waste two hours of their time whenever they are scheduled to meet? I don't find that fair either.

If the league cared so much, maybe they should institute a policy where for example, if you're up by 35-40+ the game is declared over.

[melloman]

I'm just going to say it.. when you LOSE 23 STRAIGHT GAMES.. how is it just an uproar that a team beat you 107-2.

Why are we blaming the coach? Why not blame the fucking association for putting your BEST team in the league, against clearly one of the WORST teams in the league. If I was the coach, no apologies would be given as nothing was done wrong. What apology can be given? "I'm sorry our team didn't let up on the other team"?

Also, why blame the coach for having "no mercy rule" in the state of Indiana. How is that his fault? Sure, the coaches could've met and called it a game. But the losing teams track record kind of foreshadows this event.

[Phil@rise]

Ohh the poor children they must be traumatized!!!! pffft please.
The loosing coach could have thrown in the towel. Hes an asshole for not but is it really that big of a deal? This is just another lets protect and shelter our children too much issues.
I am surprised they dont have mercy rules tho. Even my softball league does. As soon as there is a five run gap maybe seven not exactly sure the game is called. Quite often we continue playing but score keeping stops and its just sporting practice.

[124Y]

IMO, the whole point is to try your best and give it all you got. Sure, Bloomington South could tried new plays or use their bench players, but they shouldn't deliberately play a shitty game just to make their opponent "feel better".

[MR_BIGGS]

Thinking back to another coach I had in highschool bball. We beat a team by 40 points and he made us do lines (suicides) after the game. The other coach thought our coach was showing him up and a fight almost ensued. Our coach's rationale was, that we weren't sticking to our game plan. lol

[van_city23]

Thinking back to another coach I had in highschool bball. We beat a team by 40 points and he made us do lines (suicides) after the game. The other coach thought our coach was showing him up and a fight almost ensued. Our coach's rationale was, that we weren't sticking to our game plan. lol

We've done lines and other conditioning drills after 3 games that I can remember because the coach thought we didn't work hard enough to get better as our goal was to improve a little bit every day and i agreed with his decision. You play to win and to get better till you can say you're the best. I also remember the assistant coach putting guys that played low minutes through a workout after the game to make sure they got reps and a sweat in after almost every game.

[Hondaracer]

People also seem to gloss over the fact that clearly there is an issue with their divisional breakdowns/ matchups, this match shouldn't have happened in the first place with the proper management in place
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[toyobaru]

This is just ludacris, hearing a coach getting fired for a game of high school girls basketball. What kind of world are we in where a team that practices to succeed gets bashed for winning a team who clearly lacks the effort to practice and do well. Dont tell me that they dont have enough funds of budget to practice. All they need is 1 ball, a court inside or out, and time. If the team that lost didnt want to try why bother wasting peoples time having a team.

We are in a generation where we are too concern with tucking people in and making everyone comfortable with political correctness and sympathy. People dont play sports NOT to try and win. I want to know what the losing teams side of the story is. In Ice604 if you are up 5-7+ goals. they run the whole third period through without any stops regardless of time left.

Just my 2cents

[Manic!]

When I was in High School, Victoria had a basketball tournament every year. A team from Seattle would come and beat every team by 60 to 70 points. No one complained no one cried. The score would have been higher if the team did not have a minimum 3 pass and no dunking rule.

[GabAlmighty]

I played on a top provincial/national level lacrosse team and I can explicitly remember my coach telling us to run up the score on certain teams to embarass them. Probabaly more of a pump up thing then a reality.

Then again, there were some games where we were dominating so bad that we would switch our offence and defense around.. Those were always entertaining.

[Phozy]

It's another case of giving people credit, and making them feel comfortable in this world. It's like the teacher who gave "zeroes" to students and got fired for it. If the work and time isn't put in, you lose. You don't get part marks, you don't get a part victory.

I remember playing, and we got thrashed by 50 points, hell, we got laughed at and it was sad, but that just meant we had a hell of a lot of room to improve. Better yet, if the team knows they'll be thrashed, why not throw in the towel? Lose-lose situation.
We play sports to win. I'd be mad if the team started showing off how badly they won, but if they just played they're best, I don't believe the coach deserved what he got.
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[twitchyzero]

pathetic...if high school kids can't deal with an embarassing match score...how are they gonna handle disappointments later in life?

Then you'll have media telling the public how a prank call can push someone over the edge into suicide :rolleyes:

[Gridlock]

This is just ludacris, hearing a coach getting fired for a game of high school girls basketball. What kind of world are we in where a team that practices to succeed gets bashed for winning a team who clearly lacks the effort to practice and do well. Dont tell me that they dont have enough funds of budget to practice. All they need is 1 ball, a court inside or out, and time. If the team that lost didnt want to try why bother wasting peoples time having a team.

We are in a generation where we are too concern with tucking people in and making everyone comfortable with political correctness and sympathy. People dont play sports NOT to try and win. I want to know what the losing teams side of the story is. In Ice604 if you are up 5-7+ goals. they run the whole third period through without any stops regardless of time left.

Just my 2cents

Not to be an ass, but ludacris is this guy:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSGiEGa7ahmh253r-gGfPzBxAIatpKeA-Vcj4oUlSUaFQFAun-4QghrjJZ

Ludicrous is the word you are looking for.

Sorry :( might help you out though.

[vafanculo]

Lol, fire the WINNING coach??

If dumb logic has to come in play, I rather they fire the LOSING coach for not throwing in the towel.
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[KO7]

When i was in high school, we played a really weak team in a tournament from Khalsa (sp?). When the lead was 40 or 50 points, our coach swapped the starters for the bench players, and that's when I got my career high of 10 points.

He called a timeout in the 3rd quarter and told us (the bench) to ease up more and that that was the only time he'd ever tell us to do so. We ended up winning 95-15 before getting destroyed in the next game by North Delta, a team of black guys and east indians who took offense to us "embarrassing" the Khalsa team.

[Gridlock]

When i was in high school, we played a really weak team in a tournament from Khalsa (sp?). When the lead was 40 or 50 points, our coach swapped the starters for the bench players, and that's when I got my career high of 10 points.

He called a timeout in the 3rd quarter and told us (the bench) to ease up more and that that was the only time he'd ever tell us to do so. We ended up winning 95-15 before getting destroyed in the next game by North Delta, a team of black guys and east indians who took offense to us "embarrassing" the Khalsa team.

I agree with that.

I don't think in our participation trophy age that we need to tell the team to intentionally starting playing poorly, but you can certainly tell them to not win so damned hard.

But you also shouldn't fire the guy for this. It's a fucking high school basketball game.

[wstce92]

How is it respect to not play at 100%?
Somehow saying you suck so much I'm going to go easy on you is less awful than you suck so much I beat you 100-0?
When you're doing ANYTHING competitive, you should put in your best effort and expect your opponent to as well.
If you suck, you suck. Life isn't fair. Don't compete if you can't deal with it.

[inv4zn]

Arlington High School is one of the lowest-performing schools in the nation. 30% of graduates do so with waivers. Average SAT scores are 395 math; 397 verbal; 391 writing.

It seems like it was a David vs. Goliath thing...and Goliath won. There are some racial undertones to the story as well, and the media loves that.

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Sometimes in life, you just get your backside handed to you on a silver platter. I guarantee you there isnt one girl on that team who will ever forget that game for the rest of their life, and they will remember the feeling of humiliation, amd work harder in every aspect of their life to avoid that feeling again. Thats way more valuable to personal growth than any "participation award".

[rsx]

Terrible. Wrong coach fired.

[Eff-1]

As far as I can tell, no coaches were fired. Not sure where you heard that from.

[Eff-1]

Winning 107-2 is only bad if any of the following things happen:

- The coach tells his team to run up the score for the hell of it.

- The coach and team overtly celebrate every single point that's scored.

I remember the USA women's soccer coach did that when they played some tiny country with a small soccer program. The coach celebrated and high fived her team after each goal even when they were already up by 10. It was really poor.

[Ronin]

In pro sports, yeah sure, run that score up. Sportsmanship my ass. It's less sporting to let up. That's like telling the other team that despite the fact you both do the exact same job and probably get paid the same money, you're better than them so you're taking pity on them. Grown ass men can take defeat and embarassment because getting your ass handed to you on the ice motivates you to destroy those fucks the next time.

But in kids sports...c'mon...kids don't know this shit yet and it's high school so it's probably...just for fun?

[Mr.HappySilp]

In pro sports, yeah sure, run that score up. Sportsmanship my ass. It's less sporting to let up. That's like telling the other team that despite the fact you both do the exact same job and probably get paid the same money, you're better than them so you're taking pity on them. Grown ass men can take defeat and embarassment because getting your ass handed to you on the ice motivates you to destroy those fucks the next time.

But in kids sports...c'mon...kids don't know this shit yet and it's high school so it's probably...just for fun?

Depends some players play well and they got discover and become NBA stars so I think is only fair to play your best everytime.

[inv4zn]

As far as I can tell, no coaches were fired. Not sure where you heard that from.

Ah, the fired coach was from another "incident".

At a girls high school Basketball game in Texas back in January of 2009, the Covenant School embarrassed Dallas Academy handing them a 100-0 loss. The covenant school was up 59-0 at half time, but continued to shoot three-pointers well into the 4th quarter and play a press defense for the entirety of the game. Covenant girls varsity head coach, Micah Grimes, was then fired after the 100-0 victory and did not make any apologies for his actions.


The original source I read it from was in Korean and I guess they threw in some bits :concentrate:

[Jegz]

LOOL 2 POINTS :lawl::lawl:
sorry too funny

[CharlieH]

i bet the author of this article has an ugly fat kid who never gets picked for any of the teams.

[RRxtar]

Maybe they should go ahead and give the team that lost a participation trophy as well. :badpokerface:

The pussification of society continues.


How many people who say "they should ease up, its not pro sports, its highschool sports just for fun" have never played a sport in their life? It doesn't matter if you're 33 years old in the NHL playoffs or 14 in highschool basketball or 23 in monday night co-ed indoor soccer. EVERYONE plays to win and goes out and competes. When you're in that game, it's all you think about. You don't have the luxury of sitting behind a computer saying 'its just a silly game, its not pro sports'. No one wants to lose, and equally as much, no one wants to half ass it. Sports is about doing your best, not about saving your opponents feelings. "Just have a good time, don't worry about winning" is what parents say to fat 5 year olds crying on the sidelines because they suck at sports.

[Spoon]

23-0 and lose by 100+ points yet there hasn't been a bench clearing brawl yet. Give these girls a gold star.

[H.Specter]

you shouldn't play sports if you're going to cry
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[Ronin]

Maybe they should go ahead and give the team that lost a participation trophy as well. :badpokerface:

The pussification of society continues.


How many people who say "they should ease up, its not pro sports, its highschool sports just for fun" have never played a sport in their life? It doesn't matter if you're 33 years old in the NHL playoffs or 14 in highschool basketball or 23 in monday night co-ed indoor soccer. EVERYONE plays to win and goes out and competes. When you're in that game, it's all you think about. You don't have the luxury of sitting behind a computer saying 'its just a silly game, its not pro sports'. No one wants to lose, and equally as much, no one wants to half ass it. Sports is about doing your best, not about saving your opponents feelings. "Just have a good time, don't worry about winning" is what parents say to fat 5 year olds crying on the sidelines because they suck at sports.

Ironically, this seldom happens in pro sports.

There's a difference between competing and running up the score. Why do you think there's garbage time? When the Bulls were leading the Grizzlies by 30 after the half, they take Jordan and Pippen out of the game and tell Dennis Rodman to shoot. In amateur hockey leagues around town, if the score differential is 7 or more, the clock keeps running through stoppage.

Totally agree with competing. It's more insulting if a team takes pity on the shittier team and maybe that 0-23 team just shouldn't play but I don't know...maybe when it's 50-0, put on your second stringers and give them some playing time?

Don't know...it just doesn't sound like they let up at all and played 110% to the final whistle, which really isn't necessary but it's equally on the shitty team's coach for even fielding a team that bad.

[SumAznGuy]

It's confusing to players to tell them to play 110% until the whistle or final buzzard sounds 99% of the time and then in one game tell them to let up against a weaker team.

As far as insulting the other team, it's going to happen either way. Continue to play your top guys 110% and beat them by a lot.
Miss on purpose or play second string players and the losing team may not feel any better with the pitty points.

Playing running time or some mercy rule may be the best solution.

[AzNightmare]

It's confusing to players to tell them to play 110% until the whistle or final buzzard sounds 99% of the time and then in one game tell them to let up against a weaker team.

That's why you use your second stringers. Or give the top players challenges, like only score 3 pointers. That way they can input 110% without necessarily continuing the unnecessary beatdown.

It's really about respect for people (in general). And it's unnecessary to blow out a team that badly. It's almost the same as why players get critcizsed for showboating after a goal or touchdown or whatever. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the NFL penalizes showboating after a TD).

Maybe you can blame the league's organization for pairing these teams together. Or you can blame the weaker team's coach for creating such a weak team to compete. But the matter of hand is the winning coach had control of the situation at this particular moment/game, and he decided to tell his team to continue full throttle when he could have made a more respectable decision.

And about the losing team feeling worst by playing against second stringers. That's silly. If I was down 50-2, and the other team started putting out their benchwarmers, I would see it as a respectable act from the other team. Given that they aren't just fooling around and shooting air balls just to mock my team.

As "serious business" that sports can be, let's remember that this is highschool basketball. Let's not forget about core reason why people play... "It's fun". If the game's clearly already over by half time, put the second stringers out try to keep it somewhat competitive...

[falcon]

All the sports I played through HS it was hammered in my brain to always give %110 and never slow down. That being said, when we were killing another team (in my case Volleyball) our starting lineup would usually be sub'd out and I'd sit on the bench, let the younger guys play (we would still romp them though). If there's one thing my coaches would never do would be to tell us to not try or give it our all. IMO, it's worse for the loosing team to see another team joking around and playing like crap... still kicking your ass than it is to just get outright beat.

[F3]

That's why you use your second stringers. Or give the top players challenges, like only score 3 pointers. That way they can input 110% without necessarily continuing the unnecessary beatdown.

It's really about respect for people (in general). And it's unnecessary to blow out a team that badly. It's almost the same as why players get critcizsed for showboating after a goal or touchdown or whatever. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the NFL penalizes showboating after a TD).

Maybe you can blame the league's organization for pairing these teams together. Or you can blame the weaker team's coach for creating such a weak team to compete. But the matter of hand is the winning coach had control of the situation at this particular moment/game, and he decided to tell his team to continue full throttle when he could have made a more respectable decision.

And about the losing team feeling worst by playing against second stringers. That's silly. If I was down 50-2, and the other team started putting out their benchwarmers, I would see it as a respectable act from the other team. Given that they aren't just fooling around and shooting air balls just to mock my team.

As "serious business" that sports can be, let's remember that this is highschool basketball. Let's not forget about core reason why people play... "It's fun". If the game's clearly already over by half time, put the second stringers out try to keep it somewhat competitive...

Maybe I'm missing something but where in the article does it say that the coach didn't put in the 2nd stringers or tell his team to practice certain things? What if he did all those things and the team still won 107-2? And just cause you might have played high school sports for fun doesn't mean there weren't girls on this team playing for a potential scholarship at a post secondary institution.

[FerrariEnzo]

lol beating a team thats well below your skill level and boasting about it.... :facepalm::seriously: what is there to be proud of?

beating a team thats better then you THEN boast about it...

[european]

Damn, thats pretty nuts

[drunkrussian]

this is a thread? this is news?
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[iEatClams]

One of my biggest pet peeves is when Professional teams, that is, MLB, NFL and NHL, NBA etc lose badly and then accuse the other team of running up the score?

like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!??

I remember one time an NFL team was dominating and they sent in the backup quarterback in the 4th quarter and instead of doing running plays to stop the clock, they played Passing plays, and made the lead bigger.

If you are losing to a backup QB with 3-rd / 4th string Wide receivers and you are paid $$ millions, it's your JOB to not let them in the end zone.

\\\end rant

[rk604]

i would fail you but i couldn't. this topic does not deserve a thread

[inv4zn]

Is there some sort of Revscene Rulebook that outlines a guide to what deserves and doesn't deserve its own thread? Unless you're paying for bandwidth I don't really see why people come here to say such things.

It's a damn forum. You know, to post things.

[penner2k]

The funny thing is they are all mad that they embarrassed the other team so badly. They make a big deal about it and it gets on the news. Now instead of two towns knowing how bad the one team lost the entire world knows. Good job

[UFO]

In Ice604 if you are up 5-7+ goals. they run the whole third period through without any stops regardless of time left.


FYI Ice604 runs the clock for 3 full periods. Stop time only occurs in the final 2 minutes of the 3rd if there is a 2 or less goal spread.