[Timpo]

Only in America...

2 Rochester-area firefighters shot dead in ambush - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-rochester.html)

[Boostslut]

Seriously America, Fuck your guns.

I for one will never ever live in America.

[2damaxmr2]

Go fuck your self.

[snails]

are you kidding? Christmas eve and all... wtf

[Horditruck]

Glad that I live in Canada. At least i'll feel a bit more safe on the streets of Canada.

[flagella]

It's hard to imagine anyone would do this so randomly.

[vafanculo]

It's hard to imagine anyone would do this so randomly.

Not anymore.

I have a feeling there will be more and more to come.
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[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

don't think this is random..
A) House is a drug lab?
B) Shooters are rivals to house A?
C) Shooters are the ones who set the house on fire

Anyhow RIP to both of the brave fire fighters

[GabAlmighty]

FFS

[hal0g0dv2]

Wow seriously wtf
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[TheKingdom2000]

don't think this is random..
A) House is a drug lab?
B) Shooters are rivals to house A?
C) Shooters are the ones who set the house on fire

Anyhow RIP to both of the brave fire fighters

Why would they shoot the first responders though?

[mb_]

Gunman who ambushed and killed New York firefighters had served 17 years for killing his grandmother (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Four+firefighters+shot+killed+while+battling+blaze +York+home/7740886/story.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)



Gunman who ambushed and killed New York firefighters had served 17 years for killing his grandmother

WEBSTER, N.Y. — A former convict set a house and car ablaze in his lakeside New York state neighbourhood to lure firefighters then opened fire on them, killing two and engaging police in a shootout before killing himself while several homes burned. Authorities used an armoured vehicle to evacuate the area.

The gunman, William Spengler, had served more than 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death in 1980 at the house next to where Monday's attack happened, town Police Chief Gerald Pickering said. Spengler, 62, was paroled in 1998 and had led a quiet life since, authorities said. Convicted felons are not allowed to possess weapons.

Police say he set the fires to lure firefighters to his home and then opened fire from outdoors, probably with a rifle from atop an earthen berm.

"It does appear it was a trap," Pickering told a news conference. "These people get up in the middle of the night to go put out fires. They don't expect to be shot and killed."

Police didn't immediately know a motive. They said Spengler's 67-year-old sister, Cheryl Spengler, was unaccounted for. He lived in the house with his sister and mother, Arline, who died in October.

Two firefighters died at the scene, and two were hospitalized. A fifth man who was passing by was also injured.

Two of the firefighters arrived on a fire engine and two in their own vehicles, Pickering said. After the gunman fired, one of the wounded men managed to flee, but the other three couldn't because of flying gunfire.

A police armoured vehicle was used to recover two of the men, and eventually it evacuated 33 people from nearby homes, the police chief said.

The first Webster police officer who arrived chased Spengler and exchanged gunfire with him, authorities said.

The officer "in all likelihood saved many lives," Pickering said.

Seven houses were destroyed, Pickering said, and police have not been able to get inside them to determine if there are any more victims.

The dead men were identified as Police Lt. Michael Chiapperini, 43, the Webster Police Department's public information officer; and Tomasz Kaczowka, also an emergency dispatcher, whose age was not released.

Pickering described Chiapperini as a "lifetime firefighter" with nearly 20 years with the department, and called Kaczowka a "tremendous young man."

The two wounded firefighters, Joseph Hofsetter and Theodore Scardino, were in guarded condition, authorities said. Both were awake and alert and are expected to recover. Hofsetter was hit once in the pelvis, and the bullet lodged in his spine, authorities said. Scardino was hit in the chest and knee.

The neighbourhood is popular with recreational boaters but is normally quiet this time of year.

"We have very few calls for service in that location," Pickering said. "Webster is a tremendous community. We are a safe community, and to have a tragedy befall us like this is just horrendous."

Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn lamented the violence, which comes on the heels of other shootings including the massacre of 20 students and six adults at a school in Newtown, Connecticut.

"It's sad to see that that this is becoming more commonplace in communities across the nation," O'Flynn said.

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These guys put their lives on the line to put out fires and save civilians. RIP, can't imagine what the families are going through especially at this time of the year.

[GLOW]

Why would they shoot the first responders though?

so the house continues to burn to the ground?

[TheKingdom2000]

so the house continues to burn to the ground?

Yeah, that seems logical. So extreme though. Fcuked up for sure.

[kakucaekz]

Sooooo messed up and tragic. People like him oughta be caged up and locked away forever. RIP to the 2 firefighters.

[drunkrussian]

rip and tragic

but people who are saying only in america - i hope for your sake you learn a bit more about the world (yes, there is a world outside of canada and the u.s) and some of the fucked up shit that goes on. You'll take back your "ONLY IN AMERICA" talks

[_cd5]

thats fcukd up..RIP

[Manic!]

Only if the tree's had guns.

:facepalm:

[Hot Karl]

Bring back cages for the dangerously mentally ill. Fill them up. Then dump them into the ocean.
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[vantrip]

Bring back cages for the dangerously mentally ill. Fill them up. Then dump them into the ocean.
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I think half of America would be have to be locked up then :badpokerface:

[StaxBundlez]

why was he allowed to own guns after!?

[MindBomber]

rip and tragic

but people who are saying only in america - i hope for your sake you learn a bit more about the world (yes, there is a world outside of canada and the u.s) and some of the fucked up shit that goes on. You'll take back your "ONLY IN AMERICA" talks

A very valid point, but, although the, "only in America," sentiments do not explicitly state it, I think its generally understood the comparison is intended to be to other first and second world countries. Canada, Great Britian, Germany, France, Japan, and so on, have these instances occur at much lower rates.

Obviously, much more heinous instances of violence occur daily in third and fourth world countries, and we all know that (I hope).

why was he allowed to own guns after!?

He wasn't.

[Yodamaster]

why was he allowed to own guns after!?

What did you score on reading comprehension tests in HS?

[nns]

Seriously America, Fuck your guns.

I for one will never ever live in America.

I don't understand. Are you blaming their 2nd amendment? If so, I don't see how the 2 are connected. NY state, if I'm not mistaken, has one of toughest gun control laws of the country. "May issue" vs. "shall issue".

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

let america take themselves down. The rest of the world doesn't need their shit

[4444]

I'll get failed for this, but don't u guys remember the eaton centre shooting a couple of months ago?

Yes, it's worse in the states, and I hope they at very least get rid of semi automatic guns, preferably all guns... But it's not perfectly safe in Canada.

To say 'I'll never live in the states' is short sighted and ignorant

Lets not forget the greyhound knife murder a short while back - plenty of wackos here too, more in the states, and more have guns... But there is risk everywhere

Britain got rid of guns, now everyone shanks each other with blades, just a sad fact of life

I really hope this puts more continued pressure on the government to curb the freedoms of people to have guns, so messed up

[4444]

let america take themselves down. The rest of the world doesn't need their shit

So ignorant, biggest economy in the world, one major centre of innovation, ya we don't need them

We don't need retards like you, that's the truth

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

So ignorant, biggest economy in the world, one major centre of innovation, ya we don't need them

We don't need retards like you, that's the truth

lol retards like me, yeah they play a big factor in todays economy but the thing is, we can survive. We are an intelligent species and we don't need to depend on one country. I got my own opinions, you got your own, faggot.

[bing]

let america take themselves down. The rest of the world doesn't need their shit

This is a very emotive statement and one that I would make if I felt frustrated at what occurred, which I would safely say the majority of us are. But I don't think that a couple shootings alone is going to "take the US down". They have a population base of over 300 million. Besides, bad things happen everywhere all the time.

[noclue]

lol retards like me, yeah they play a big factor in todays economy but the thing is, we can survive. We are an intelligent species and we don't need to depend on one country. I got my own opinions, you got your own, faggot.

Not really, Canada is almost completely dependent on the US. That rich oil field in Alberta that Canadians love to brag about? most of it goes to the US. Noticed when the US crashed in 2008, the world followed and lots of people got laid off?

this dependency is why Canadians and the CBC love anti-american sentiments. "yeah well we burnt down your whitehouse in 1812!!!" too bad Canada didnt exist back then.

[sebTeggy]

Who gives a shit what time of the year it is, it doesn't make the ruthless tragic death of a loved one any worse..... I'm sure the last thing they are saying is 'WHY DURING CHRISTMAS'.....


Really?! Get Christmas out of your ass

[rsx]

let america take themselves down. The rest of the world doesn't need their shit

Innocent people are dying. I'm sure you don't advocate for the death of children and other civis, asshat.

[RRxtar]

WEBSTER, N.Y. - Police in New York state say the man who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a note saying he wanted to burn down the neighbourhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people."

Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that the man's sister had not yet been found. He said 62-year-old ex-convict William Spengler armed himself with three weapons and set his house on fire to lure first responders into a death trap.

Two firefighters were shot dead and two others are hospitalized. Spengler killed himself as seven houses burned around him Monday.

The guy burned down 7 houses and ambushed the fire fighters and left a note basically saying he was crazy. After already spending a ton of time in prison for being crazy.



And gun control is the problem?! This guy is fucking nuts! If he didn't have guns he probably would have acquired bombs. There should been systems in place to catch people like this.

[pastarocket]

It's unbelievable to hear about so many crazy motherfuckers with guns these days. First, the wacko in Newtown, Connecticut, now this nutjob in New York State. Columbine high school, the list goes on and on. It's madness, sheer madness!

-really hoping that President Obama, and VP Biden get some powerful legislation to deal with the gun issue. New laws may not stop all these awful incidents from happening, but action must be taken. Something has to be done about to protect people.

I am a bit surprised to hear that the assault weapons ban in the U.S. that expired in 2004, was not renewed during the past eight years.

[nns]

The issue isn't about guns. It's about the people who use them.

This guy was set on killing people. Like RRxtar said, if it wasn't guns he used, it could've been a bomb. Or a car. Or a homemade flamethrower.

You guys hear guns and killing, and you think all these incidents are related. Think about the people and the killing instead.

[pastarocket]

The issue isn't about guns. It's about the people who use them.

True. No doubt about it. I think it's a combination of the availability of guns, and people with mental issues.

Obama knows that it's a "people" problem as well.

Perhaps a full psychiatric evaluation for all people that want to buy guns or renew gun permits? Everybody needs to see a shrink?

Sandy Hook Tragedy Inspires Obama's Push for Harsher Gun Control [OPINION] - December 19 12 3:58 EST - ForexTV.com (http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/sandy-hook-tragedy-inspires-obama-s-push-for-harsher-gun-control-opinion)

A second issue stemming from this is mental health issues; President Obama recognized the fact that "the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible," however this cannot deter our thoughts from the fact that the few gun owners who are not responsible and/or mentally unstable are capable of causing vast amounts of damage. Calls for more mental health funding have been suggested, which in theory are beneficial, but who is to say that all those in need of professional help are willing to admit it, and actually go and receive it. Perhaps what is needed is a combination of gun control and mental health issues, requiring a complete background check and full psychological evaluation before the purchase of any weapon. This would potentially decrease the number of individuals dangerous to the public, who would be able to obtain firearms.

[nns]

What I would like to determine is how the shooter acquired his weapons. If he got it legally, which at the moment sounds unlikely given his past, then I would talk gun control. If he bought it off the street or stole it, the argument can't be made about gun control for law-abiding citizens. He obviously isn't a law-abiding citizen, so whatever gun laws they make out of this, people like him don't apply.

I mean, just my opinion. Feel free to enlighten me.

[RRxtar]

17 years in prison for murdering his grandma. If he legally bought the guns Ill pee my pants.

[4444]

lol retards like me, yeah they play a big factor in todays economy but the thing is, we can survive. We are an intelligent species and we don't need to depend on one country. I got my own opinions, you got your own, faggot.

Not a very articulate response, but that's no surprise

Remember 2008, if the US economy disappeared, there would be some significant changes to the world - our economic system is fine in steady state, throw a wrench in there and it can and will blow up in our faces

And faggot? Really, that's the best come back you have?

[vafanculo]

The guy burned down 7 houses and ambushed the fire fighters and left a note basically saying he was crazy. After already spending a ton of time in prison for being crazy.

And gun control is the problem?! This guy is fucking nuts! If he didn't have guns he probably would have acquired bombs. There should been systems in place to catch people like this.


There is a system for people like this. Its called the Legal system, and unfortunately, it sucks.

Any guy that beats his grandma to death should be considered a piece of shit in society, and either given the bullet, or throw away the keys to his cell.

I hope the jusge that only gave him 17 years in jail is around to see this. I'm not a big fan of dumb logic, but, in this case, some of the blood of these deaths are on his (the judges) hands.
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[Boostslut]

I don't understand. Are you blaming their 2nd amendment? If so, I don't see how the 2 are connected. NY state, if I'm not mistaken, has one of toughest gun control laws of the country. "May issue" vs. "shall issue".

Maybe if they (the firefighters) had a "Good person with a gun" protecting them everything would have been okay. (I'm being sarcastic here)

RIP all the familes involved. Horrible.

I'm not blaming the 2nd amendment for this, but I just don't see a reason for everyone and their dog to have a gun. I guess i'm just biased though since I really dislike gun's in civilian hands. Military use sure, but people don't need military style gun's to "protect" themselves.

[!Nhan]

The amount of ignorance these days is just simply mind boggling.

[Timpo]

So ignorant, biggest economy in the world, one major centre of innovation, ya we don't need them

We don't need retards like you, that's the truthBiggest economy in the world??
US National Debt: $87 trillion

:suspicious:

America's True National Debt: $87 Trillion - Guy Benson (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/11/28/americas_true_national_debt_87_trillion)

[Timpo]

US debt is owned by Japan and China :okay:

Japan owns almost as much U.S. debt as China - Oct. 22, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/investing/china-japan-treasuries/index.html)

[4444]

Biggest economy in the world??
US National Debt: $87 trillion

:suspicious:

America's True National Debt: $87 Trillion - Guy Benson (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/11/28/americas_true_national_debt_87_trillion)

Who is talking debt? We're talking largest economy, GDP/GNP

Debt can be a good thing... The US has taken on too much and that will slow growth in the coming years, but having said that in 2008/2009, we needed it to stay afloat

Most ppl don't understand debt, everyone should appreciate it (as a dbl edged sword)

[StylinRed]

US debt is owned by Japan and China :okay:

Japan owns almost as much U.S. debt as China - Oct. 22, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/investing/china-japan-treasuries/index.html)

no, it's owned by the us citizens and banks; the media keeps shying away from that fact and want people to believe that china holds all us debt

china and japan are just the largest state debt holders

http://www.mygovcost.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/summer-2012-to-whom-does-the-us-government-owe-money-652x472.png

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

[4444]

Thank u - too many idiots just run with the global tv, or equivalent, headlines

[MindBomber]

Who is talking debt? We're talking largest economy, GDP/GNP

Debt can be a good thing... The US has taken on too much and that will slow growth in the coming years, but having said that in 2008/2009, we needed it to stay afloat

Most ppl don't understand debt, everyone should appreciate it (as a dbl edged sword)

no, it's owned by the us citizens and banks; the media keeps shying away from that fact and want people to believe that china holds all us debt

china and japan are just the largest state debt holders

Expanding slightly further; people fail to recognize debt is relative to income, and the media will never show a chart of US debt/revenue over time, because it helps people to understand the issue, and that's not good for their business. 86 trillion is a shocking number, enough to bankrupt a smaller country like Canada or Australia, but it's totally manageable for America if they improvement fiscal management slightly. The US needs to address the ways it spends money,but the nation is not teetering on the edge of a proverbial cliff.

http://s14.postimage.org/8tz9t1m9d/usgs_chart4p02.png