[TheKingdom2000]

Ok, so our neighbour is rebuilding his house and wants to build a BBQ right next to the side of his house.
His side of the house faces our retaining wall (cement) where our car port is. So his side door of his house faces a four foot wide pathway (that is his) and is right up against our retaining wall (our wall is 6 feet tall). The total area of our car port is approx 20ft wide and 30 feet long and oddly shaped.

He wants to cut a 2 foot deep by 4 foot wide by 6' tall gap into the cement wall to put in a permanent bbq. This gap wouldn't affect us at all as this is towards the very end of our parking area where no car would be able to park anyway. This 2x4x6' gap wouldn't affect the integrity of our retaining wall and has been confirmed by his engineer and contractor.

FYI. He's been our neighbour since we moved into the house (~6years) and we have a good relationship with him.

We already told him no, but he is pretty adamant and says we should talk in the new year when things get less busy and we can talk to his contractor and his engineer and hopefully work out something.
I'm just curious would any of you let him do this? And more importantly if we do end up giving up that space, could that affect us later on down the road when it comes to sell the property or to upgrade the property or whatever?

[Energy]

If you actually give him a permanent legal easement or give away the land then it can be recorded on the title. Might make your property slightly less valuable in the eyes of a buyer.

I think it's best if you don't give up any of your land because it could just cause headaches in the future.

[Presto]

There's quite a lot that can be fucked up. If you do let him install the BBQ, I would make sure your ass is covered in regards to any maintenance/structural concerns that may come from cutting a hole in the wall.

[falcon]

I would just do what my first assumption is. If he is really a good guy and has been a good neighbour, is honest etc. I don't see why not. I've lived next to the same neigbours for almost 16 years and if he asked to do something like that I wouldn't even think twice and say yeah. Maybe work into it that you can use the BBQ on occassion. I wouldn't GIVE the land away, more so lease/loan it or just come to an agreement that he can use the space but it's not his to keep and if you ever move out the new owners might want it back.

[Energy]

I would just do what my first assumption is. If he is really a good guy and has been a good neighbour, is honest etc. I don't see why not. I've lived next to the same neigbours for almost 16 years and if he asked to do something like that I wouldn't even think twice and say yeah. Maybe work into it that you can use the BBQ on occassion. I wouldn't GIVE the land away, more so lease/loan it or just come to an agreement that he can use the space but it's not his to keep and if you ever move out the new owners might want it back.

I thought his neighbor wanted the barbecue to be permanent but that is another option, just be very careful and be very clear and explicit with the wording of that agreement.

[nabs]

does he not have space in his yard for a bbq? just a question as to why he would want your piece of land for it, since its on the corner of your land im thinking it would be on the corner of his land too.

[TheKingdom2000]

This is a mock drawing of what he wants.
He doesn't have any space to put a bbq. He literally has no yard space. Everything in front of the car port just drops off and it's right outside his kitchen door. This is the only viable option for him.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/cman888/carport.png

[Lomac]

Tricky situation. Perhaps have your own engineer go over the plans to verify what his has said. Also, instead of giving him the land, should work out something where the BBQ becomes communal property. A chunk of land is valuable, no matter how small it is. Mind you, chances are if you sell your house, prospective owners will not question the random chunk missing from the yard. However, if you do give it up, make sure that new property lines are drawn up.

[SupraMan604]

I would talk to a lawyer as this can affect who owns that part of the land in the future and possibly property values. It may not be an issue now but later could be if you want it back or when you are selling or if you want to rebuild.

[Energy]

I remember cases in property law with similar fact patterns as this where people were just trying to be good neighbors but got screwed over in the end. It's better to not give up the land at all but if you really want to then just be really careful.

That civic si is really quite detailed btw.

[nabs]

yeah, i don't know, personally i wouldn't do it, currently things are good with the neighbor, what if they move, what if you move, there's too many unknown variables in this to be a good decision.

I do have a good relationship with my neighbors, they borrow tools, they help us with our garden, neighborly stuff, but I don't think i would be able to do that.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I wouldn't do it. The reason is being you paid for it, he didn't. Also if you do give him that piece of land and he adds it to the city then you are out of luck. When you decide to sell your house you no longer own that piece of land and it might affect the price.

Is nice to be a nice to your neighbour but giving away a piece of land is over the top.

[4444]

sorry, but don't mixed business with pleasure

he may be a nice guy, but this is your land, and his is his land - he needs to redo his plans... you don't just get free land b/c ur nice.

i'd almost say this is an unreasonable request, unless he wants to pay fair market value for it

[spyker]

Tell him NO and let him know you mean it,it's not your families problem that he has no space for a BBQ.The land belongs to you,not him,for all you know,removing a few blocks might affect the structural rigidity of the retaining wall,what if it collapes one day,will he be willing to flip the bill on the damages?I don't care what "his" engineer & contractor has to say,I would get my own engineer and see what he/she has to say about the safety of the wall,not his.If he is such a nice guy,he would respect your answer and not ignore it and still try to procede with his plans.

If all else fails and he still decides to build his BBQ onto your land,let him finish it,then call the city down and show them what he did,he will be in deep shit and will have to pay to fix your wall.

It seems he is just taking advantage of your kindness to do whatever he wants.

[punkwax]

If you can allow him to build and have a notarized contract stating it is still your land, then why not. If not, and it has to become part of his property, then you better get paid for it. And I don't want to seem unneighbourly, but it shouldn't come cheap.

PS - he pays for the notary.

[falcon]

If that's all he wants in the photo I wouldn't care. That's not exactly a lot of space

[murd0c]

It's his fault that his building his house too large so why do you have to compensate for his error? I would so no, he might be a nice guy but like others have said it could reduce the value of your house which it's not right. He's trying to take advantage of you and say no sorry he should change his plans if there is not enough room.

I can guarantee you if you did let him do it and later down the road wanted to change something he will make a big deal about it and wouldn't listen to you. Just don't get suckered in because he wants to build a house that takes up the whole property. Not only that do you actually want him bbqing so close to your house? what happens if theres a fire of even the bbq smell coming in since it's such a close location. You have to take a look at the bigger picture which it seems you haven't done yet.

[spyker]

If you let him get away with it this time,you know he's going to try and get away with alot more later on.

The old saying goes "give him a inch,he's going to want a mile".

[Nightwalker]

He seems like he's doing a lot to make it happen and you've already established that you don't really want to let him.

So... what's your price? If there's an amount that would change your mind, offer to sell him the space.

[Gridlock]

I looked up some sample "land" in the Fraser area, with a tear down house on it.

Not accounting for the value of the house(I didn't subtract from the asking price), that 2x4 spot is worth about $1500. That's in the Fraser area.

So no, he can get a hibachi like anyone else.

You are going to run into: legal issues...do you redraw the lines for this little notch? If you don't, then the next owner is going to ask why there is a hole in the retaining wall. If it is legal, then that is going to become the sole thing that people ask about...why? And I guarantee, that is going to be a huge issue on them buying the house. Will it make a difference in their lives? No. Will they think it will? Fuck yes.

I would recommend against not doing it, but definitely NOT re-drawing the lines. If you say yes, then keep it on your property, at your discretion to change your mind at any time. If you sell, and the next owner wants it gone, it goes. It's their property to do with what they will. Ironically, they'd have to use his land to get rid of it, so good luck.

Even then, you could have a squatter type situation.

I can't even make a co-herent post out of the numerous possibilities this could backfire. Think about that :)

[Renxo]

Tell him to put a BBQ on your side and bring over some beers and meat ;)

[van_city23]

Redrawing the lines will definitely be very costly for you and will effect the future value of the property. Like most of the people said, it's better to be safe and not give him the land. You can let him use it but let him know that in the future, he may "lose" his bbq space. You really need to look at all the details before making any decision though.

[geeknerd]

I know nothing of land laws and such but if I was in such a situation, I would allow it on the condition that the land is still mine, structural integrity is guaranteed and will be fixed by neighbour if problem occurs, and at anytime should you choose to do so, be able to destroy it regardless of if that procedure involves destroying his barbecue. Also, this right should be transferable to any future house-owner of your house.

[jimmyrustler]

tell him to keep hustlin cuz

[SoulCrusher]

I can understand a neighbour asking for a cup of sugar or some laundry detergent but a neighbour asking for a parcel of your land is a different story. This sounds like a bad idea.

If he's rebuilding his house, he should've designed it in a manner where he doesn't need your land. He put himself in a bad position so you shouldn't feel bad saying no.
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[Gunsmokez]

lol hell no. Piece of land for FREE?????? I would not even hesitate to tell him to F OFF. What kinda dumb question is that for a neighbor to ask even. He should had asked his engineer to think of another plan.

If he wants his bbq that bad, tell him to tear part of his house down then and build that stupid bbq hut.

[Culverin]

I work in engineering, but don't know all that much. But liabilities are a biggie and like everybody said, you don't this to blow up in your face later, especially if you are being nice.

If you guys are tight, and you've got the space, when I would do is see if you will "rent" him some space on your property, with his liability for everything.
It wouldn't be as cramped for him, and maybe you guys can throw some backyard parties together.

If you're super nice, then that "rent" can be usage of the grill.
If you're a normal person, then that "rent" would be cheaper than redoing a retaining wall and all the potential legal headache it would cause.

[MandarinOrange7]

What if there's a fire explosion and someone gets hurt? Who would be liable for that?

Just tell him to buy those BBQ grills that have wheels.

[twitchyzero]

asking for a piece of neighbour's backyard for free

...in Vancouver

:lawl:

[MandarinOrange7]

asking for a piece of neighbour's backyard for free

...in Vancouver

:lawl:

while in Taiwan

:die:

[spyker]

What if there's a fire explosion and someone gets hurt? Who would be liable for that?



Obviously the neighbor.

[dat_steve]

first thing that came to mind

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdolvqS1Vq1rtr3kno1_500.png

[J____]

so you'd have his bbq IN the walls of your house? I wouldnt... what if it sets on fire and burn your place down? who's liable? Not to mention the smell would probably get into your walls permanently. Tell him to get a portable bbq and put it on his own property

[GLOW]

i won't repeat what other people have said already...
but keep in mind that even though his engineer and contractor say it's OK...
they work for HIM.
the contractor is under no professional responsibility to you. their professional engineer is (and if you're listening to him it better be a PEng)...but are they going to put something in writing with their stamp and seal on it or is it just verbal? this isn't poker...verbal is no good :lawl:

also, are they a structural engineer or are they of a different discipline?
i'm not a structural guy, but i would think a hole in a retaining wall can't be better than leaving it as is as originally intended.

just my 2 cents

[Great68]

I'm with the no camp.

I'd probably think differently if it didn't require any sort of modification of your retaining wall. (What he's asking for is pretty much a permanent modification).

Like if the houses were on the same level and you just had to move a fence a couple feet, I'd probably do that if I liked him (on a lease basis).

[spyker]

The one thing that bothers me the most is,how he was told the answer was no,yet he still wants to procede with doing it.

That's a total lack of respect from how I see it.

[4444]

i still can't comprehend how he could even have the balls to ask, or even design it like this

just seems abnormal

[maxxxboost]

Just say No. Tell him you like it how it is and don't want to change anything.

Don't bother renting, don't bother compromising, don't bother doing anything. Anything you do will be more work if you just have said No.

I don't mix business with pleasure. I've seen people bitch about tree leaves falling on their property, asking for a piece of land is something else.

If he is a good neighbor, he will understand.

[Phil@rise]

No way. Its selfish of him to even ask. This is something that only benefits him and will only cost you in the long run. Be it monetary or otherwise. This will for certain lead to issues down the road. This isn't a fence a tree or a dog nuisance this is infringement of personal space in an already tight space. Were not talking acreage here where you would never see it or it would never be in your way. If you do it it will reduce your property value and make your place a harder sell and when its needed to be removed to do modifications or repairs to your place your fucked.
And if you agree to a monetary settlement to do it your even more fucked in the long run.

[Jason00S2000]

This gap wouldn't affect us at all as this is towards the very end of our parking area where no car would be able to park anyway.


You have your answer, but in typical Vancouver fashion, you're soooo concerned over nothing that you'd rather say "no" then let someone else fulfill their dream of an outdoor BBQ.

Typical asshole.

[Jason00S2000]

bellum omnium contra omnes

Words to live by in Vancouver

[4444]

You have your answer, but in typical Vancouver fashion, you're soooo concerned over nothing that you'd rather say "no" then let someone else fulfill their dream of an outdoor BBQ.

Typical asshole.

i don't think you can simplify it like that - the guy has his property and should design his outside bbq accordingly

this isn't about being selfish, its about you doing what you do on your property... it's not like he's asking to park his car there for a week or two, that's one thing, this is a permanent structure, there are ownership issues (value too), liability issues, etc.

let's put it this way - can i come and have a bedroom in your apartment for free? I have a dream of living wherever you live. yes, that's a ridiculous request, but it's in the same line of what the neighbour is asking

[4444]

bellum omnium contra omnes

Words to live by in Vancouver

come on! if i didn't know better, i'd say you're a woman (totally unreasonable and with no logic) - it's not a 'me against you' thing, it's just simple land ownership and boundaries issue

maybe the right quote is 'give him an inch, he'll take a mile' - maybe the neighbour is just trying it on?

[blakgtp]

Is your neighbour really a good neighbour, if he is asking to use your yard for free?

I really want a ferrari, but I can't afford one. Can someone help me out please?

[ilovebacon]

The white man took over this native land. Now look what happened.
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[EuterVanWasser]

This sounds similar to what I went through last summer w/ my neighbour building a 6,100 sq ft. box next to me.

During demo the neighbour comes over and asks if he can borrow my power to construct so he doesn't have to bother getting Hydro to drop a temporary pole. Sure I say at first, trying to be the nice guy but then a week later he's knocking at my door complete with electrician in tow.

He wanted his own 30 amp dedicated breaker, complete with running cab tire electrical cable through my basement and out my far window. At that point I put my foot down and told the guy if he can afford the 6,100 sq ft. house he can afford to deal with Hydro.

Give an inch, you'll be asked for a mile.

Enough about my experience however.. so here is my opinion. Personally, I would never agree to an easement of that type. If it were an easement where he was infringing on a set-back (ie. eaves hanging 3 feet from property line instead of 4) for example.. okay.. but one where you're actually giving away land (which has value) and agreeing to structural changes of a retaining wall?

I would never agree to this myself, and at the very least he should also be talking 'consideration' with you as part of his request.

[Great68]

This reminds me of my a situation one of my uncles had. He owns 6 acres, and a strip of land on the side of his properly that runs beside his house and through the back yard is designated as a hydro line right-of-way (Although it has never been used as such, nor will it likely ever be).

One day this guy buys the property behind my uncle with the intention of developing it and building a house for himself. He actually asks my uncle if he could use this strip of land as a driveway for his house (It would link to his back yard, because to build a driveway to the street on the front of this guy's house would be super expensive due to a super steep hill).

My uncle flatly tells this guy no, and the guy has the gall to say "We'll see about that".
My uncle never understood what he meant by that, he thought maybe this guy was going to try and take him to court over it, but right-of-ways don't exactly work like that, it's still my uncle's property.

The guy eventually spent the money to have the property cleared, and the steep driveway to the front excavated (never paved), a house was never built, services were never brought in. Then the property sat for 10 years, until it was just recently foreclosed and put up for auction.

Moral of the story: Figure your shit out BEFORE you go and design something. Don't just EXPECT others to accomodate you.

[GLOW]

Moral of the story: Figure your shit out BEFORE you go and design something. Don't just EXPECT others to accomodate you.

design?....just hire an engineer and general contractor to help with determining if you can put a bbq in a retaining wall, because that's what they're there for
:derp:

[Jason00S2000]

You could just as easily have a happy neighbor who would probably bring you BBQ food and let you use the BBQ for such a tiny piece of land, but instead you're selfishly worried about an area of your property that you don't even use.

In the grand scheme of things, it would not affect your life in the least, but could possibly make someone else very happy. That in itself would be enough for me to say "As long as it's safe and done by a professional, go for it, I expect an invite for your backyard parties!"

[Great68]

design?....just hire an engineer and general contractor to help with determining if you can put a bbq in a retaining wall, because that's what they're there for
:derp:

Design in the "I'm going to plan to use my neighbor's land for my project before I even ask him" sense.

:derp:

[4444]

You could just as easily have a happy neighbor who would probably bring you BBQ food and let you use the BBQ for such a tiny piece of land, but instead you're selfishly worried about an area of your property that you don't even use.

In the grand scheme of things, it would not affect your life in the least, but could possibly make someone else very happy. That in itself would be enough for me to say "As long as it's safe and done by a professional, go for it, I expect an invite for your backyard parties!"

i LOVE your positive view of people and their intentions, but sadly people have shown their true side far too often for me to just take people at face value... it's really, really sad that the world is like this, but generally people are selfish, grim little people, hence why we all live in our own little houses/apartments, and they are just that - for us, no one else

i hope karma is true and people are as good to you as you are indicating you would be to them - sadly, karma hasn't worked too well for me (i'm generally REALLY nice to people and will help them out, but people have pissed on this generosity one too many times in my 30 years)

[GLOW]

Typical asshole.

You could just as easily have a happy neighbor who would probably bring you BBQ food and let you use the BBQ for such a tiny piece of land, but instead you're selfishly worried about an area of your property that you don't even use.


so if OP is selfish and an asshole, what does that make a neighbour that is told flat out 'No' but still continues an open dialogue to try to use part of the OP's land after being told he did not have permission?

would have been easier to hire a an architect to assist with design up front to include a BBQ than a structural engineer to look at the integrity of someone else's retaining wall :lawl:

[Jason00S2000]

i LOVE your positive view of people and their intentions, but sadly people have shown their true side far too often for me to just take people at face value... it's really, really sad that the world is like this, but generally people are selfish, grim little people, hence why we all live in our own little houses/apartments, and they are just that - for us, no one else


In relationships with women, I agree, but that is due to societal pressures and an outdated model of dating.

In legal matters, I think we still have trust.

What is his motivation to get the BBQ setup?
What are the OP's concerns about the BBQ?

It should be easy for two grown men to sit down over a beer and discuss this. I would love to see my neighbor(If I owned a house)have an enjoy his BBQ. A neighbor you can trust can be such a resource and good friend.

[RRxtar]

its not about pushing your fence back 2 feet for a couple feet to squeeze a bbq in. the neighbour is talking about excavating part of the 6 foot tall retaining wall holding up his driveway.

being cautious about it doesn't make him an asshole.


thats like the difference between me wanting to take a couple pictures of your girlfriend, and wanting to cut off one of her ass cheeks to take home so i can rub my face against it before i fall asleep every night.

[4444]

In relationships with women, I agree, but that is due to societal pressures and an outdated model of dating.

In legal matters, I think we still have trust.

What is his motivation to get the BBQ setup?
What are the OP's concerns about the BBQ?

It should be easy for two grown men to sit down over a beer and discuss this. I would love to see my neighbor(If I owned a house)have an enjoy his BBQ. A neighbor you can trust can be such a resource and good friend.

i just think people are too weak and flaky - at any time he could turn around and go weird on you - i've had it done to me (not by women, ironically, the biggest bitches i've ever had in my life have been men, mostly educated and professional - but if you peel away a slight bit, you see a little bitch who will do whatever they can to one up you)

it's just too fraught with risk and danger

i agree with you - would love to be invited over for BBQ, share a beer, a story/advice, etc. but ppl in vancouver aren't like that - they're mostly weirdos who don't want to associate with you unless they can get something from you

[noclue]

Engineers and the builders are highly trained, but as humans mistakes can occur.

I can imagine the legal shitstorm and the falling out of relations with the neighbour if the wall/driveway collapse. Neighbour could use some BS clause like "its my land now, you didnt reinforce your wall properly after." Not worth it

Rule of thumb is that anytime money/liability is involved, you will see the true side of a person.

[CP.AR]

no. don't do it

most likely your neighbor is trying to use your kindness.
any engineer with some brains won't design a house that does not fit into the land they are given - most likely your neighbor told the engineer/architect to just put it in the plans

[Energy]

In relationships with women, I agree, but that is due to societal pressures and an outdated model of dating.

In legal matters, I think we still have trust.

What is his motivation to get the BBQ setup?
What are the OP's concerns about the BBQ?

It should be easy for two grown men to sit down over a beer and discuss this. I would love to see my neighbor(If I owned a house)have an enjoy his BBQ. A neighbor you can trust can be such a resource and good friend.

You are way too trusting and think only in the present - which is fine for most situations but not one where we are talking about land and real property. Everything might be ok between OP and his neighbor now but all it takes is one falling out between them before the OP will regret his decision. That and the OP has concerns about future implications like resale too.

[Jason00S2000]

but ppl in vancouver aren't like that - they're mostly weirdos who don't want to associate with you unless they can get something from you



:okay:

[Culverin]

You could just as easily have a happy neighbor who would probably bring you BBQ food and let you use the BBQ for such a tiny piece of land, but instead you're selfishly worried about an area of your property that you don't even use.

In the grand scheme of things, it would not affect your life in the least, but could possibly make someone else very happy. That in itself would be enough for me to say "As long as it's safe and done by a professional, go for it, I expect an invite for your backyard parties!"


Selfish is asking for another person's property.
Inconsiderate is asking again after they said no.

It would affect his life. There are liability issues, land value issues. Let alone potential issues with it being a permanent structure and removal of it would require rebuilding the retaining wall back to where it was.
AND if either party tries to sell and move, you're looking at YET another basket full of headaches.


If there were none of these things, I'd happily suggest he share the land use.
However, unless you have something better than "you're selfish" to counter these issues, your position of argument is rather weak.

[TheKingdom2000]

Thanks for all the responses everyone. I showed my parents this thread and they appreciate all the feedback.

My dad said he is going to stay firm and not let him build the bbq on our property. But, there is a small grassy/gravel area further down on our property that he'll let him put a portable bbq there. I think that's the best he'll get.

Again, thank you. My parents were completely thrown back by our little community here.

[murd0c]

Glad to see your parents are making the correct decision. Be prepared for your neighbor to push back as long as you don't cave the RS Beatdown crew won't be over to knock some sense into ya :)

[TheKingdom2000]

Yeah, he was completely astonished my dad said no, like he couldn't believe my dad wouldn't agree to his proposal. I'll update the thread after my dad breaks the bad news again.

haha, thanks murd0c.

[falcon]

i LOVE your positive view of people and their intentions, but sadly people have shown their true side far too often for me to just take people at face value... it's really, really sad that the world is like this, but generally people are selfish, grim little people, hence why we all live in our own little houses/apartments, and they are just that - for us, no one else

i hope karma is true and people are as good to you as you are indicating you would be to them - sadly, karma hasn't worked too well for me (i'm generally REALLY nice to people and will help them out, but people have pissed on this generosity one too many times in my 30 years)

Well since there is no such thing as karma anyways, no doubt it hasn't "worked out" for you... :fullofwin:

[falcon]

so if OP is selfish and an asshole, what does that make a neighbour that is told flat out 'No' but still continues an open dialogue to try to use part of the OP's land after being told he did not have permission?

would have been easier to hire a an architect to assist with design up front to include a BBQ than a structural engineer to look at the integrity of someone else's retaining wall :lawl:

Or, he could have very well been reusing the old foundation. You know... cause people do that all the time.

[GLOW]

Or, he could have very well been reusing the old foundation. You know... cause people do that all the time.

fail on my part. OP said it was a rebuild too :okay:

[4444]

Well since there is no such thing as karma anyways, no doubt it hasn't "worked out" for you... :fullofwin:

you know what, it will work, on average, over time

[Jason00S2000]

I dislike reading that so many of you think that somehow this guy's idea will end up fucking the OP over in the long run.

How do people put faith in marriage(50% failure rate) over a BBQ in someone's backyard? :P

[Geoc]

In relationships with women, I agree, but that is due to societal pressures and an outdated model of dating.

In legal matters, I think we still have trust.

What is his motivation to get the BBQ setup?
What are the OP's concerns about the BBQ?

It should be easy for two grown men to sit down over a beer and discuss this. I would love to see my neighbor(If I owned a house)have an enjoy his BBQ. A neighbor you can trust can be such a resource and good friend.

:lawl: :lawl: :lawl:

bro you do even live in Vancouver?

[rsx]

I dislike reading that so many of you think that somehow this guy's idea will end up fucking the OP over in the long run.

How do people put faith in marriage(50% failure rate) over a BBQ in someone's backyard? :P

They don't. Marriage is a contract, and if you want to separate there are proceedings for such matters.

[Jason00S2000]

:lawl: :lawl: :lawl:

bro you do even live in Vancouver?


You're all bastards who think everyone in Vancouver would fuck everyone else over!

:buttkick:

I'm offended that so many of you think this way. Fuck, why do I live here?

This thread has me depressed now, great!

[Phil@rise]

I dislike reading that so many of you think that somehow this guy's idea will end up fucking the OP over in the long run.

How do people put faith in marriage(50% failure rate) over a BBQ in someone's backyard? :P

If someone wants to purchase the property at a later date it may limit said person from construction or modifying to suit their needs making the property less desirable and less likely to sell at fair market value. How is it selfish to wish to maintain ones purchases and assets? Its not. Why cant this BBQ dreamer put the BBQ elsewhere so as not to infringe upon the property next door? Cus its easier and or cheaper for him to do it this way. He's the selfish one here. No amount of burgers and wings can make up for the hassle this can cause.

[Lomac]

I dislike reading that so many of you think that somehow this guy's idea will end up fucking the OP over in the long run.

How do people put faith in marriage(50% failure rate) over a BBQ in someone's backyard? :P

No one is saying that the guy will screw the OP over in the long run. However, if I were to redesign and rebuild my house, I'm going to do so within the confines of my own property. Don't design something assuming you're going to be able to use part of someone else's property. If it were something brought up to the OP at the offset of the design process, the answer might have been different.

That said, even if the OP did give the neighbour permission to build it, suppose they move and the new neighbours decide they want that bit of property back for their own use? Or even if the OP's family ends up finding a use for it, what happens then?

[Phil@rise]

that would just be soooo selfish of them lomac

[GGnoRE]

Idiom of the day:

Good fence makes good neighbours.

[underscore]

The number of ways in which this could bite you in the ass is huge, and it could easily cost you piles of money and ruin your good relationship with your neighbour if something goes wrong. If for some crazy reason you did decide to let him do this I'd tell him he needs to hire a minimum of:

2 structural PEng's
2 builders
2 realtors to assess the change in value to your property
2 lawyers to draw up paperwork covering any potential issues
Some kind of fire and safety inspector (as it's a BBQ)

All of your choice. And then see if he still wants this silly BBQ.

[Gridlock]

This reminds me of my a situation one of my uncles had. He owns 6 acres, and a strip of land on the side of his properly that runs beside his house and through the back yard is designated as a hydro line right-of-way (Although it has never been used as such, nor will it likely ever be).

One day this guy buys the property behind my uncle with the intention of developing it and building a house for himself. He actually asks my uncle if he could use this strip of land as a driveway for his house (It would link to his back yard, because to build a driveway to the street on the front of this guy's house would be super expensive due to a super steep hill).

My uncle flatly tells this guy no, and the guy has the gall to say "We'll see about that".
My uncle never understood what he meant by that, he thought maybe this guy was going to try and take him to court over it, but right-of-ways don't exactly work like that, it's still my uncle's property.

The guy eventually spent the money to have the property cleared, and the steep driveway to the front excavated (never paved), a house was never built, services were never brought in. Then the property sat for 10 years, until it was just recently foreclosed and put up for auction.

Moral of the story: Figure your shit out BEFORE you go and design something. Don't just EXPECT others to accomodate you.

We had the same thing. Back east, we had 25 acres of land with our house. One xmas, we're up in the bush cutting a christmas tree, and we hear this guy rustling up through the brush 5 minutes after turning off the chainsaw. My fam had lived there for 15 years at that point, and he was new. So up he comes to make sure we weren't cutting trees on his property. He was friendly, but kind of dickish.

My father says no, I'm on my side of the line. Even further, when we bought, I cut and marked the perimeter. I know where they are.

Buddy keeps going, and actually dropped in the conversation, "well, you know, good lines make good neighbors."

Never saw him again. No house, no grand development.

People like to swing their dicks around everywhere...its not necessarily a Vancouver thing.

[?uestlove]

straight trade. the little slice of your car port for his hopefully very attractive 20 year old daughter.

[spyker]

You have your answer, but in typical Vancouver fashion, you're soooo concerned over nothing that you'd rather say "no" then let someone else fulfill their dream of an outdoor BBQ.

Typical asshole.

Owning a piece of land with a house on it in Vancouver is far from "nothing",it's the single biggest and most valuable possesion anyone can have.

If you owned a house that was worth roughly a million dollars,would you make sure your investment was protected at all times and made decisions that would not jeopardize it's worth? I sure the fuck would.

If I were in the OP's situation and the my neighbor kept asking me about it,even after I told him my answer was no several times,I would tell him straight up "FUCK OFF".I would not even care if I have good relations with him anymore,cause you already know things have changed the second you don't let him do what he wants,then you will see his true colors come out.

I own my home,it will be fully paid off in 6 more years...no more mortgage.I have worked my ass off in many ways to buy,maintain and keep the house mine,the fuck if I'm going to let anyone try and dictate what I should be doing on my own property.

Oh one more thing,I have heard from the grapevine on my block that some of the neighbors think I'm a asshole....I would rather be a asshole than a pushover that's for sure.

[Gunsmokez]

Op good that you dad is sticking with "no"

So the opinions were 100 to 1 lol in favor of NO

[sdubfid]

Hey Obama we're just going to take a few square km out of washington state to make a beaver sanctuary. You aren't using it anyways so just be a good neighbor.

[Mr.HappySilp]

You could just as easily have a happy neighbor who would probably bring you BBQ food and let you use the BBQ for such a tiny piece of land, but instead you're selfishly worried about an area of your property that you don't even use.

In the grand scheme of things, it would not affect your life in the least, but could possibly make someone else very happy. That in itself would be enough for me to say "As long as it's safe and done by a professional, go for it, I expect an invite for your backyard parties!"

Umm how aobut no?
1. THE OP pays for his house including the peice of land his neighbour ask. Why should he give away something for FREE? Espeically it will affect his property price in the future(less land = less price).
2. What if the BBQ caught fire or cause an accident? What is going to pay? What is going to cover the cost? Who is going to deal with all the shit that comes after?
3. Private issue. What if the OP decided to suntan in his year or just realx but his neighbour is there BBQing? It might affect the OP's lifestyle.
4. The smells WILL sink into the walls and inside of the OP house making it smell like BBQ(Ever been to a house where the home owner always cook curry? Yea the WHOLE house smells like curry). The BBQ smell will affect the house vale when OP decides to sell it.
5. Structural issue. What if this BBQ will affect structure of the OP's house. What if the local gov finds out and wants it remove due to it being not legal then who pays for it?
6. What if the neighbour is a messy guy and get's the BBQ messy and never cleans it? Then who will clean it in the end? if no one cleans it there will be ants all over the place, bees and not to mention it smells bad.
7. What if the neighbour likes to have BBQ parties and make a mess at the OP's property since the BBQ is on the OP's side.

Being nice to neighbour is one thing but giving away a piece of land is another story.

[GLOW]

i got it...next time the neighbour comes over....

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/get-off-my-lawn.jpg

[jpark]

Yeah, he was completely astonished my dad said no, like he couldn't believe my dad wouldn't agree to his proposal. I'll update the thread after my dad breaks the bad news again.

haha, thanks murd0c.

Bothers me a little that your neighbor designed his silly bbq location naturally assuming you guys would give up the land without even a set agreement. Selfishness at its finest.. his first step should have been asking you guys for an agreement FIRST prior to hiring his engineer and designing his desired bbq location.

[Jason00S2000]

Haha... I'm the only person who would consider it?!

:badpokerface:

[TheKingdom2000]

Haha... I'm the only person who would consider it?!

:badpokerface:

RS bbq at your place next summer?
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[freakshow]

Thanks for all the responses everyone. I showed my parents this thread and they appreciate all the feedback.
Great to hear they made the right choice.

lol, mx703, remember that time you told us about how you hid all that cocaine in your parents house, then sold it to fund that illegal cock fighting ring? good times..

[blkgsr]

the wall fails, who do you think will be held liable? you

glad you're not doing it

[murd0c]

Great to hear they made the right choice.

lol, mx703, remember that time you told us about how you hid all that cocaine in your parents house, then sold it to fund that illegal cock fighting ring? good times..

speaking of that he still owes me $1500 for the ladies of the night I brought for him...

[Lowered_Klass]

speaking of that he still owes me $1500 for the ladies of the night I brought for him...

Yes, "ladies".

They certainly weren't Thai lady-boys, that were riddled with HIV...

:D

[murd0c]

Yes, "ladies".

They certainly weren't Thai lady-boys, that were riddled with HIV...

:D

nope, he told me he wanted to take a break from them that weekend :fullofwin:

[yigabit]

am i the only one that thinks it's dangerous a vehicle so close to a bbq in terms of oil/fumes leaking into the bbq? ie when the rain washes the oil into the proposed bbq pit?

[mac25]

if the engineer thinks it won't effect the wall i'm guessing he/she also took into accord that a bbq will be heating and cooling a cement wall in a moist environment. i'd guess the wall was reinforced with rebar and that the engineer is saying it will not faill under load with this whole or under stress from heat. how ever, it might still crack and that could cost you for resale later.