[Harvey Specter]

Some creepy shit, can't trust anyone nowadays.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/offender_warning_20130107.jpg?w=620

VANCOUVER — The Justice Ministry in B.C. has issued an unusual public warning about a female, high-risk violent offender who’s been released from jail.

The ministry’s corrections branch said Monday that 23-year-old Kayla Bourque has an “escalating criminal history” and plans to live in Vancouver.

In September 2009, Bourque was convicted of killing animals, causing unnecessary pain and suffering or injury to animals.

In March 2012, she was found guilty of possessing a weapon for a dangerous purpose, but charges of possessing child pornography were stayed. She was sentenced to one month in jail and three years of probation.

She expressed an interest in harming other people

The branch said Bourque has also offended violently against people, is being closely monitored by authorities and has 46 court-ordered conditions she must follow.

The woman has a curfew from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. and isn’t allowed to access social networking sites.

Bourque is also forbidden from possessing any weapons, including knives or other bladed instruments, except to prepare food, and must stay away from people under age 18.

The petite, 130 pound woman, studied criminology and psychology at Simon Fraser University last year.

Prof. Rob Gordon, who heads the criminology department at SFU, said the university called police after another student told a teaching assistant that Bourque mentioned some of her crimes and that she may have spoken about her fantasies of killing a homeless person.

Quite clearly she is a disturbed young lady and is obviously in need of help

“She expressed an interest in harming other people,” Gordon said, adding Bourque killed her family’s dog and cat in Prince George, B.C.

Gordon said police executed search warrants, including one for Bourque’s room at the university, where a so-called kill kit was discovered which included duct tape and other restraints.

Bourque was admitted to the psychiatric unit at Burnaby General Hospital before being convicted of killing animals and jailed, he said.

“Quite clearly she is a disturbed young lady and is obviously in need of help.”

Gordon said the 46 conditions Bourque must abide by constitute a huge probation order unlike any he has ever seen.

It’s what it predicts that is of concern

The Vancouver Police Department and a probation officer will be monitoring Bourque and she is required to attend a forensic outpatient clinic where she will get counselling for three years, he said.

The harm Bourque has inflicted on animals may be a precursor for what she may do to humans, Gordon said.

“It’s what it predicts that is of concern.”

Bourque was adopted as a child from an orphanage in Romania and lived in Prince George before moving to Burnaby to attend university.

Gordon said the young woman came to the notice of the criminal justice system and the health and education system in Prince George going back years and he wonders why more wasn’t done for her then.

Video link;

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/29/bc-kayla-bourque.html

[Hondaracer]

“Quite clearly she is a disturbed young lady and is obviously in need of help.”

Better let her out!

although i wouldnt mind killing a homeless person with her

[4444]

although i wouldnt mind killing a homeless person with her

WHAT
THE
FUCK

even if that was meant as a joke, i can't even comprehend your humour

[El Bastardo]

even if that was meant as a joke, i can't even comprehend your humour



Hes trying to play the most dangerous game.

[inv4zn]

Can someone please explain to me what the logic is behind releasing these types of people back into society?

She's clearly not well, has shown intent to harming people, yet the people with the power to get her some help (not necessarily a prison, but help), decide it's the best thing for everyone to just let her out.

Probation is a joke. How easy is it for someone to disappear, prey on the innocent, and then get caught years later, when someone is already dead.

There are many, many systems broken in Canada, but this shit is beyond ridiculous.

[bensta]

high risk reoffender?

no prob.. we'll just throw u in a giant city with lots of court orders youre going to ignore anyways..

:facepalm:

[MeowMeow]

I thought she'd be a lot older than 23...
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[murd0c]

Not the type of person you would want to leave alone with the family dog.

[MG1]

I'd hit it...............






























............with a sledge hammer, if she came anywhere near my family.

[BrRsn]

IIRC wasn't this girl going to SFU?

She was in my friend's class :fuckthatshit: in before my friend goes missing

[MeowMeow]

^yeah the article says she went to sfu last year
Studied crim and psychology
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[El Bastardo]

In 2014 we'll read about her shooting up a public area, and then the outcry will be to ban guns.

[cliffhanger33]

someone spoiler that pic of her for me :fuckthatshit:

[vafanculo]

I thought it was a he till I bothered reading the article.

Regardless, I'll still refer to it as 'it'
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[westopher]

Why is it that someone with such a clear and documented mental instability wouldn't be forcefully institutionalized in a psychiatric hospital? Another clear failure of the canadian justice system full of loopholes and technicalities. This also brings up a matter that is very important to me, and I'm sure many other people here can agree on. There needs to be substantially more serious punishments to people convicted of such severe animal cruelty acts.

[Mr.Money]

maybe if she re-offends she can be a cell mate with Robert Pickton in jail :badpokerface:

[Jason00S2000]

I bet she's into the juggalo culture!

[Jason00S2000]

I bet I could write a good book based on a chick like this who ends up changing her look, going on Plenty of Fish, and killing a number of dates before she's caught by an undercover cop who falls in love with her, and he has to choose his career over his heart!

[CharlesInCharge]

:thumbsup:

She talks about sniff films... Im thinking she just has too much of an impressionable mind and its her environment that has pushed her this far... mostly Hollywood .

I dont know what to think about this public alert of this person, its a little excessive but at the same time its a good lesson for men not to drop their pants to an any piece of ass that give him the time of day.

[StylinRed]

http://www.news1130.com/files/2013/01/untitled2-668x546.jpg


:pokerface: i'd hit it just can't fall asleep afterwards :lol

[Jason00S2000]

I bet she moves to my hood, the DTES... somewhere like The Metropole for $750 a month!

[parm104]

In 2014 we'll read about her shooting up a public area, and then the outcry will be to ban guns.

HAHAHA! You're so right man....:rolleyes:

I'm sure glad you make this same statement in every thread on this forum...

[MindBomber]

Why is it that someone with such a clear and documented mental instability wouldn't be forcefully institutionalized in a psychiatric hospital? Another clear failure of the canadian justice system full of loopholes and technicalities. This also brings up a matter that is very important to me, and I'm sure many other people here can agree on. There needs to be substantially more serious punishments to people convicted of such severe animal cruelty acts.

Bourque doesn't technically have a mental disorder, which is why the system is obligated to allow her free now. If Bourque's predilections arose from a mental disorder, she could be indefinitely detained in a psychiatric institution for treatment on those grounds. For instance, the man who beheaded a person on the Greyhound Bus was detained because he was suffering from schizophrenia. Bourque is mentally sound, though. Bourque's desire and willingness to kill arises from a personality trait, she's interested in her own desires and not concerned with the impact they have on others; like a criminal who willfully pedals drugs to children for the personal financial benefit. It's so simple and logical to say - she's high risk, lock her up for good. To lock-up a healthy person when a crime has not been committed, because they're more self-interested than average is a very difficult puzzle though. In a way it makes sense, but its an incredibly difficult idea to apply and would have broad sweeping implications. The aforementioned drug dealer, the chronic dangerous driver, the third world capitalist, all could be detained indefinitely on the same grounds. I'm not saying, Bourque should be free, I'm just saying, a law preventing her release may not be as straight forward as it seems, and in practice could give rise to serious miscarriages of justice.

I couldn't be more strongly with you on the need for stiffer penalties for animal cruelty.

[Greenstoner]

Disturbing stuff
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[predom]

We need the bat man
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[gloors]

Goddd damn I think this is the chick that was roommates with my Ex's friend..
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[melloman]

Bat man? :suspicious:

http://thumb11.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/870799/870799,1322136844,8/stock-photo-business-man-holding-baseball-bat-ready-for-a-hit-89471515.jpg ??

[GLOW]

^-was thinking the exact same thing

[murd0c]

Goddd damn I think this is the chick that was roommates with my Ex's friend..
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stories?

[PJ]

what the eff...

she shouldn't get released right into the city... maybe into a rehab/asylum or something, at least for starters.

[Gumby]

Yikes... Sucks to be the probation officer assigned to monitor this person.

[Gridlock]

Yikes... Sucks to be the probation officer assigned to monitor this person.

This is a running joke with my sister all the time. She's a federal parole officer(kind of...there are a bunch of grades of PO) but I ask her all the time if she's released anyone interesting into my 'hood.

The answer is always yes. :okay:

We also have a large halfway house about 5 minutes drive away that doesn't help.

[melloman]

Bourque doesn't technically have a mental disorder, which is why the system is obligated to allow her free now. If Bourque's predilections arose from a mental disorder, she could be indefinitely detained in a psychiatric institution for treatment on those grounds. For instance, the man who beheaded a person on the Greyhound Bus was detained because he was suffering from schizophrenia. Bourque is mentally sound, though. Bourque's desire and willingness to kill arises from a personality trait, she's interested in her own desires and not concerned with the impact they have on others; like a criminal who willfully pedals drugs to children for the personal financial benefit. It's so simple and logical to say - she's high risk, lock her up for good. To lock-up a healthy person when a crime has not been committed, because they're more self-interested than average is a very difficult puzzle though.

This doesn't make sense to me.. Not sure if I'm just mis-understanding what you wrote, but I've read it 3 or 4 times now.. Still don't get it.

If you look back at serial killers, homicidal maniacs, etc.. they all start killing with smaller targets. (Animals being #1) and they move up to bigger targets. (Humans or groups of people)
She seems to be following the same trend, as she has been confirmed of killing her family pets, and now has thoughts/fantasy's of killing people. With this material alone, I would say she must have some type of mental disorder and grounds should be strong enough to hold her atleast temporarily and diagnose her further.

The bolded to me SCREAMS mentally unstable. I'm sure Robert Pickton enjoyed killing all those women.. And he CLEARLY didn't care about the impact on others.

[MindBomber]

This doesn't make sense to me.. Not sure if I'm just mis-understanding what you wrote, but I've read it 3 or 4 times now.. Still don't get it.

If you look back at serial killers, homicidal maniacs, etc.. they all start killing with smaller targets. (Animals being #1) and they move up to bigger targets. (Humans or groups of people)
She seems to be following the same trend, as she has been confirmed of killing her family pets, and now has thoughts/fantasy's of killing people. With this material alone, I would say she must have some type of mental disorder and grounds should be strong enough to hold her atleast temporarily and diagnose her further.

The bolded to me SCREAMS mentally unstable. I'm sure Robert Pickton enjoyed killing all those women.. And he CLEARLY didn't care about the impact on others.

You're instilled with the premise - a person who has the desire to do direct harm to others is subject to a mental disorder, which is not correct.

Bourque fits the classical definition of a psychopath; shallow emotions, lacking empathy, egocentric, highly intelligent, sexual. The term psychopath is often interchanged with 'crazy' in the English vernacular, but the clinical definition does not imply anything beyond a certain type of personality; like, the term narcissism. A person cannot be institutionalized for a personality type, because we cannot objectively say there is something wrong with it. A person who has a mental disorder has a clear, anatomical defect; a chemical imbalance, a developmental issue. Objectively, we can say a person with a mental disorder does not have a brain functioning properly. A mental disorder can be treated through medication, but there's not a pill capable of provoking empathy.

[dub.g]

Some serial killers are naturally sadistic..

ted bundy was deemed not psychotic in any circumstances, he was well aware of what he was doing and was just full filling his desire.

Watch the documentary on Richard Kuklinski. He was deemed a serial killer because he liked the thrill of hunting his targets, he gets more joy out of stalking than killing.. he killed many random people in new york from homeless people to someone simply out and about walking a dog... He disliked being called a serial killer because he thinks its an absurd name reserved for "psychotics"

He eventually became a Hitman for the mafia. He was completely stable and articulate to his killings. He told a story of how he wanted to use a crossbow to kill a target he was assigned for but have never use one before. So he looked for a random test subject in the street, pretend he was asking for directions then just shot a guy in the head with a bow

The Iceman Tapes - Inside the mind of a mafia hitman. - YouTube

[InvisibleSoul]

Some Criminal Minds stuff, right here. What I learned from the show is that people that have a fascination and start off with killing animals very likely will graduate to killing humans at some point.

[City-bear]

just because one kills animals doesnt mean they will all go on to kill people.

the justice/rehab system is messed up, but sadly, there might not ever be a better system unless we find precogs (Minority Report). at the end of the day, human behavior is impossible to predict, and yet, people who work the system have to do their best to guess without infringing on someone's rights. innocent until proven guilty

at what lengths are you willing to take away a person's freedom? and if you start taking one person's freedom's away, where does the system draw the line? It's a very slippery slope.

[melloman]

^^ Agreed.

Yet lets not forget about this woman talking about her fantasies openly to others.

But hey it's okay, lets wait until she kills afew homeless people. THEN we will lock her up for 3 months. :facepalm:

[parm104]

^^ Agreed.

Yet lets not forget about this woman talking about her fantasies openly to others.

But hey it's okay, lets wait until she kills afew homeless people. THEN we will lock her up for 3 months. :facepalm:

I see what you're saying, but what do you suggest is the alternative? What would you exactly do and for how long? Under what conditions?

[inv4zn]

I see what you're saying, but what do you suggest is the alternative? What would you exactly do and for how long? Under what conditions?

The only trace of positive hope I have is that they've assigned someone to always watch her from the shadows. Surveillance, etc. and not just her checking into an office every 6 weeks.

[Splinter]

How is a 130lb woman 'petite'?

[Gridlock]

How is a 130lb woman 'petite'?

How fucking small do you want her to be?

[westopher]

The average woman in canada is around 145lbs. She's in the average(ish) category. Regardless, pointless question, pointless answer, pointless reason to get mad. Someone mentioned "just because someone kills animals, doesn't mean they will go on to kill people" I think thats fairly obvious to everyone, however, the fact she has mentioned looking forward to killing people is enough reason for some very serious concern. As you said though. What the fuck can we really do? We can't punish people based on their thoughts, and it certainly is a slippery slope. Its scary to think the taxpayer money we are going to need to spend to keep tabs on this person, and still have the possibility of them being a large threat, when if animal cruelty laws were anywhere near what they should be, she would still be in jail.

[AW607]

How fucking small do you want her to be?

As small as a splinter, apparently

:joy:

[Jason00S2000]

The average woman in canada is around 145lbs.


We're blessed in Vancouver by having so many women who do yoga, work out, bike, and other shit to keep those tummies tiny and those buns tight!

[Gumby]

How is a 130lb woman 'petite'?
Let me guess - your definition of petite is 95 lb Asian chicks that are 5'0 while wearing heels.