[CorneringArtist]

Source: Shut down New Westminster strip club, Coquitlam students say (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Shut+down+strip+club+Coquitlam+students/7839499/story.html)

For years, the Paramount Gentlemen's Club in New Westminster has been offering adult entertainment without much attention.

But a group of Coquitlam high school students is about to change that, using the power of the pen.

As part of a social justice class project, a group of Dr. Charles Best Secondary students will be heading to the Royal City in order to gather signatures for a petition calling on politicians to shut the strip club down.

About 50 students from the school are set to meet Saturday at Sixth Street and Sixth Avenue in New West, where they will set up information tables and break into groups to try and get signatures from residents.

Teacher Ken Ipe said the Grade 12s decided to focus on the Paramount because some of them have friends who frequent the club.

The club is open to 18 year olds because it does not have a liquor licence or serve alcohol.

Ipe suggested the club is catering to a younger clientele, including university students and even high school students.

"We think that sexism is not a healthy part of society and I think that strip clubs are a reminder that blatant sexism is alive and well in the culture," he told The NOW.

Specifically, the petition is asking New Westminster city council to reconsider the Paramount's licence and instead consider the effect strip clubs have on the culture of a community.

Ipe said the students aren't expecting to transform society with their efforts, but rather see the petition as a small step in recognizing women as equals and not objects.

He noted the class has garnered support from some Coquitlam politicians, including Coun. Selina Robinson and Trustee Gail Alty.

The club's website bills the Paramount as "Metro Vancouver's premiere gentleman's [sic] club and the cities [sic] ultimate experience in adult entertainment."

The website also boasts the Paramount has more dancers working than any other club in the city.

Ryan Lepper is one of the students taking part in the class project.

He argued strip clubs objectify woman because they give the men visiting the impression women are just objects meant to be bought and sold.

"It sexualizes them by saying that they are only objects meant to pleasure men, and we don't want girls growing up in a world where they are viewed that way," he wrote in an e-mail.

He said the plan is to take the petition to an upcoming city council meeting for a presentation.

Lepper also noted the class did not contact the club in regards to the petition.

For safety reasons, the students decided not to set up in front of the club during its nighttime business hours.

Calls to the Paramount for comment were not returned by The NOW's press deadline.

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Now, while I'm personally not a patron, it concerns me that they blindly attacked the club by starting their protests WITHOUT contacting the Paramount for their side of the argument. Seeing a few other news articles on this tells me that these kids are willing to put people out of jobs to get an "A" in a class that smells like it's a cheap excuse for a passing grade.

Thought I'd start a little discussion on this after the other headache-inducing threads I've frequented. I've mulled over both sides, one being the objectifying of women and attraction of degenerates to the area, the other being female empowerment and the concern over employment, even if it's not necessarily the best way to make a living. Or going way out there, the Zionists had something to do with this because they need the building space for nefarious purposes.

[ShadowBun]

Sounds very convenient for a quick buck for the girls

[SB7]

Wtf, how can a bunch of high school kids who have never even been in a strip club have the power and authority to try and shut one down.

:fulloffuck:

[punkwax]

Never been to Paramount.. Peeler bar with no alcohol? Not for me.
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[bloodline129]

Fukin nerds talking bout sexism but every single of them has calisters on their hands cuz FAP ALL DAY... Whoring/stripping for $$ is the oldest profession out there
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[dlo]

been to it, its not bad nor good... fuck up wit these lil poons? lol

[beproud]

Wtf, stupid kids, trying to make a name for themselves..... It's the 21st century, if people still think woman are "just objects" are pretty fucked in the head eh. I for one go to strip clubs and I do not think that way!

[Graeme S]

For me, the thing that bothers me is that it's often pitched against "the management" or "the establishment" which is usually owned by men. But nobody asks the workers how they feel about the place.

Besides, you don't like that someone who's 18 can buy porn and go to strip clubs? Go ask them to raise the law to 21 like they have it in the states. And get your ass handed to you and laughed off the streets.

-edit-

Also, by not consulting with the girls who work there, they're simply reinforcing the idea that the girls are objects--things to be disputed over and fought over. Ask them, go with their opinion. You can't judge anyone else by YOUR experiences.

[LC21]

I thought they shut down already
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[Traum]

:fulloffuck:WTF is wrong with these kids? Do they really think they are standing on some invincible moral high ground? :fulloffuck:

[MTV Cribs]

I now know there's a strip club in New West :D
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[spideyv2]

stupid little kids

edit - Read the article, raging even harder now. What a bunch of phaggots.

[Soundy]

For me, the thing that bothers me is that it's often pitched against "the management" or "the establishment" which is usually owned by men. But nobody asks the workers how they feel about the place.

Besides, you don't like that someone who's 18 can buy porn and go to strip clubs? Go ask them to raise the law to 21 like they have it in the states. And get your ass handed to you and laughed off the streets.

-edit-

Also, by not consulting with the girls who work there, they're simply reinforcing the idea that the girls are objects--things to be disputed over and fought over. Ask them, go with their opinion. You can't judge anyone else by YOUR experiences.

Hope you don't mind... friend of mine posted this article on her FB, I added your comments about asking the girls to the thread (with semi-attribution, meaning "I saw this posted on another discussion"). Very strong point that needs to be shared.

[Slifer]

Senor Chang - Gay - YouTube

[StylinRed]

read this on news1130 a few days ago, thought it was rather amusing considering most of these teens are likely not old enough to be able to experience a strip club so how can they have an educated opinion

the news1130 article also noted that they were protesting objectification which by definition everything/one is an object ;)

feel sorry for the kids, they must be getting manipulated by a real blow hard :troll: feminist instructor


If the portrayal of women and the promoted messages affect these teens so much they should be protesting the programming and videos shown on canadian television networks
go after the real targets not some paltry, run down, strip club

[dinosaur]

I live about 5 mins from this place and honestly, I had no idea it was still open. Even though it is on a busy main street, it does not stand out...it is surrounded by wedding stores, a few restaurants, and refurbished buildings that have been turned into lofts. It's not dirty, there are not people hanging out, no panhandlers or other seedy characters, etc. There are no pictures of nekkid ladies or any other 'eye-raising' material that would indicate that it is a strip club.

So, my thoughts? This is a waste of the kids' time. I don't think that this is a problem in New West. And, though I am not a patron, I don't see a need for it to close. Maybe it is not THE BEST choice for the street as it is currently going through a re-vitalization project and I don't think I would like to see more strip clubs there, but I have no problem with the Paramount.

[Gridlock]

I hate it when high school kids feel that they are enlightened, and the rest of us are blind.

Go back to worrying about home room, pimples and teen aged pregnancy.

Although, im sure salient group thanks them for their work. (thwy are building a condo tower next door)

[dinosaur]

What I would like to see these kids raise awareness about is the high level of homelessness and drug use in the city (New West). Because of the Columbia street re-vitalization, it has pushed a lot of the less-than-desirable characters into the more residential areas. We have noticed a huge increase in crime (building break-ins, vehicle break-ins, and vandalism) ever since the city has bulldozed 3 city blocks along Columbia and re-built the Quay.

[StylinRed]

rofl


https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19329_10151224817222401_165920150_n.jpg

Owner of paramount:
I am deeply saddened that the students from Dr. Charles Best Secondary and their teacher Ken Ipe would hand this pamphlet out at todays rally! I am truley hurt by this form of propaganda and find it disgusting! I say this with a very heavy heart!! Anyone that would think that I would allow that kind of behavior in my club does not no me or me belief system or how I was brought up! Very sad day! Shame on you! Please feel free to contact their school and school board if you feel like I do! Making kids hand this out in public is child abuse!!!!!!!!!! :(

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Paramount-Gentlemans-Club/327520752400

the owner claims he's asked to speak with the teacher, students, etc about the matter but hasn't heard from them

[urrh]

Wtf, how can a bunch of high school kids who have never even been in a strip club have the power and authority to try and shut one down.

:fulloffuck:

exactly what i was thinking. there's a reason why kids can't vote. no one cares or should care about their opinion

[Soundy]

the owner claims he's asked to speak with the teacher, students, etc about the matter but hasn't heard from them
Of course not, and he probably never will. It's much easier to carry on this sort of thing when you live in a vacuum.

[b0unce. [?]]

time to go see how great this place is before they possibly close down!

[Sid Vicious]

this is what happens when you trust high school students with any amount of responsibility

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Never-Go-Full-Retard.jpg

claiming that a strip club is sexist is fallacious argument

[SkinnyPupp]

I hate it when high school kids feel that they are enlightened, and the rest of us are blind.

Yeah it used to be just the university students who suddenly decided they know everything about everything because their professor did a really good job of turning on the switch in their brains...

[hillmar]

rofl




The Paramount Gentleman's Club - New Westminster, BC - Adult Entertainment | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Paramount-Gentlemans-Club/327520752400)

the owner claims he's asked to speak with the teacher, students, etc about the matter but hasn't heard from them
Sounds like they need better security and that's about it. Try to do that stuff at Vegas and get ready to get your ass beat down.

[Traum]

LOL~

Petitioning Dr Charles Best Secondary School
Dr Charles Best Secondary School: Stop Objectifying Underage Girls , With Cheer Squad Car Washes

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/dr-charles-best-secondary-school-stop-objectifying-underage-girls-with-cheer-squad-car-washes-2?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=url_share&utm_campaign=url_share_before_sign

[Graeme S]

I really want to go through that pamphlet with a wiki-pen
[citation needed]

"Person" spoke with "people" who worked in "locale". So hang on, were these BC-style strip bars where you can't touch or do shit? Or were these those strip bars in the states where the only thing that can't happen is they can't hop on your junk?

I'm all for educating kids on issues, but this is bullshit.

[dinosaur]

;8136875']time to go see how great this place is before they possibly close down!

RS Paramount Meet?

[Graeme S]

RS Paramount Meet?
Upside: don't need to worry about designated drivers.


...but you may want to keep your eyes out for another type of DD.

[dinosaur]

...but you may want to keep your eyes out for another type of DD.

HAAAYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :D

[b0unce. [?]]

RS Paramount Meet?

I mean, we're there to support them right? At least I'll feel better if I tell myself that. :badpokerface:

[z3german]

what a bunch of pricks.

doesnt care about the women who are working those jobs, a lot of them really enjoy what they do. I went there once and was piss drunk waiting outside for a cab and a stripper just off her shift and asked where i lived cause she would give me a ride home if it was on the way. COMPLETE STRANGER TO HER! I didnt purchase her services or anything, just genuine niceness.

Fuck those kids.

[kwy]

kids are fucking dumb

[wstce92]

How dumb are these kids.
Strip clubs are sexist? What brainless drivel.
How is it sexist to provide women with the opportunity to make money.
You can argue about how some women are "forced" into it all you want. Fact is, a pretty woman down on her luck can strip, a pretty man down on his luck can't; where's the equality there? No one is ever forced to do anything, these strippers arent victims of human trafficing.
If you're all about equality, than let women decide what they want to do.
Fight for their safety in their chosen occupation if you want to do something.
Also, if anything, the short end of the stick goes to the strip club patrons more than anything... most strippers can milk a guy all night long with very little effort.

[Gridlock]

For a strip club, I always thought the Paramount was one of the nicer ones.

They ran into trouble a few years ago for a few of the ladies working on fake id's, got their hand slapped and I haven't heard from them since.

Maybe these high schoolers should pop on in, slam a fiver on the table for a mango juice and let that hot girl from the year before them grind up for a few minutes.

Call it 'empirical research'.

OR...maybe they could talk to a few of the girls and ask if they are in fact downtrodden and in need of saving.

[drunkrussian]

fuck them, i hate it when people use the society argument and assume their way is how it should be for everyone
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[tarobbt]

you know how i know your gay? because you want to shutdown female strippers instead of male ones :lawl:

[stewie]

The club is open to 18 year olds because it does not have a liquor licence or serve alcohol.

Ipe suggested the club is catering to a younger clientele, including university students and even high school students.

cause catering to people 1 year younger than legal drinking age is going to bring them in sooooo much profit...

kids are retarded...reminds me when i was in grade 12...all the guys/girls who took pyschology instantly thought they were able to analyze everyone and everything..

[dinosaur]

kids are retarded...reminds me when i was in grade 12...all the guys/girls who took pyschology instantly thought they were able to analyze everyone and everything..

:lawl: i remember those people!

alright everyone! lets act like we are saving the world this week!!

[Marco911]

I really want to go through that pamphlet with a wiki-pen
[citation needed]

"Person" spoke with "people" who worked in "locale". So hang on, were these BC-style strip bars where you can't touch or do shit? Or were these those strip bars in the states where the only thing that can't happen is they can't hop on your junk?

I'm all for educating kids on issues, but this is bullshit.

The person they cite who authored the study was a former sex worker in Minnesota. Kids think that googling is equivalent to research. Nobody is forcing these women to strip and they do so voluntarily.

[drunkrussian]

every thread i see on revscene ends up being people disagreeing, arguing and fighting about an issue

...until you make a thread where a strip club may potentially be shut down...

...then suddenly everyone joins together and is on one side...:troll:

[GGnoRE]

Damn, I would be ashamed right now if I was attending Dr. Charles Best.

[AVS_Racing]

well obviously these kids has never

http://theapod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BANDS.gif

[Mr.Money]

somebody Find these students names at the high school & Expose them on the Spot.....lets see how long their propaganda last's with the bullshit from their mouth

[ree666]

sounds like a feminist group.

[FerrariEnzo]

If the strippers are ok with it and are not be harmed/forced into doing it.. LET THEM... they have bills to pay... Not everyone has a high education to get a high paying job...

I personally do not go.. only went once in my lifetime to see what it was all about... nothing really...

the thing these students should be concerning themselves with are the ugly ass crackhead hookers on hastings + main st...

[br2]

rofl a school project to run a person's business to the ground

[vafanculo]

They should pick a fight with Brandy's, and see what happens
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[Soundy]

Also, if anything, the short end of the stick goes to the strip club patrons more than anything... most strippers can milk a guy all night long with very little effort.
:ifyouknow:

[murmur]

i wonder what the parents of the high school kids feel about this.
(won't be surprised if couple of them visited paramount before)

[Ronin]

every thread i see on revscene ends up being people disagreeing, arguing and fighting about an issue

...until you make a thread where a strip club may potentially be shut down...

...then suddenly everyone joins together and is on one side...:troll:

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Didn't at least one kid question this or say "Are we really supposed to be doing this in school?"

I haven't been to Paramount but if anything, the girls are treated with typical Canadian friendliness. If you get out of line, chances are you're going to get your ass handed to you.

I remember our RS Brandi's meet years and years ago...the dancers loved the girls, came to chat with us after. :lol

Never seen any of the stuff on that pamplet...although I did see some drunk white boy get thrown out like DJ Jazzy Jeff. It was as hilarious as it sounds.

[CorneringArtist]

although I did see some drunk white boy get thrown out like DJ Jazzy Jeff. It was as hilarious as it sounds.

Clip from Fresh Prince In Bel Air - Jazz gets thrown out - YouTube

:lawl:

[blkgsr]

the paramount sucks anyways...last time i was there they had 3 anorexic looking girls and one fatty that looked like she was going to eat the rest

No 5 is WWWAAAYYY better

[Lomac]

I've been to the Paramount a few times and am friends with a couple of the strippers (one current, one ex) and know one of the bouncers through a mutual friend. Because there's no liquor, rowdy customers are few and far between, meaning there's much less chance of the dancers being harassed in an unwanted way. The bouncers are usually pretty quick on the uptake when it comes to people acting in an unfriendly manner as well. As for the girls, well those that I talked to don't do it because they've been "forced" into it; it's because they know it's quick, easy money. Some of 'em do it because they enjoy dancing and because the Paramount doesn't allow liquor, they know they wont be harassed as much compared to a place like Number 9 or where ever else.

This petition is stupid. Instead of blindly attacking a club, they need to talk to the people who work there and get their opinions first.

I know I was relatively stupid as a teen, but I'm pretty damn sure I wasn't this stupid.

[mb_]

If you show boobies to these kids they'll probably change their minds
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[SupraTTturbo2jz]

Kids these days piss me off, jesus. My generation was never this retarded. Sometimes they need to get slapped. Targeting one strip club and not thinking about the employees that choose to work there.
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[Fappin]

lol high school kids trying to make a difference :fuckthatshit:

[Soundy]

Didn't at least one kid question this or say "Are we really supposed to be doing this in school?"
From the article, it sounds like this was the KIDS' idea in the first place:

As part of a social justice class project, a group of Dr. Charles Best Secondary students will be heading to the Royal City in order to gather signatures for a petition calling on politicians to shut the strip club down.

...

Teacher Ken Ipe said the Grade 12s decided to focus on the Paramount because some of them have friends who frequent the club.

There's all kinds of :fulloffuck: in this though...

"We think that sexism is not a healthy part of society and I think that strip clubs are a reminder that blatant sexism is alive and well in the culture," he told The NOW.
As others have noted, it's SEXIST to assume that the women working there are doing so against their well. What this petition is saying is that they shouldn't have THE CHOICE. How is THAT not sexist?

About 50 students from the school are set to meet Saturday at Sixth Street and Sixth Avenue in New West, where they will set up information tables and break into groups to try and get signatures from residents.
So the consensus here is that the club is extremely low-key on the outside, and some who live in the area didn't even know it was there? So what are they going to sell these "residents" on? Reducing the bums hanging around out front? Oh wait, that doesn't happen. Reducing the drug trade in front of the... nope, nope, don't have that either (there's probably more of that around City Hall).

:seriously:

[604STIG]

I miss N.B.I. and Mugs & Jugs.

If these tools want to protest and try to make change about something why don't they look into sex trade workers that are forced into it, rather than women who are doing a job that they CHOSE to do. Their slogan should be "Putting women out of honest work"

[blkgsr]

i loved mugs n jugs

[Ronin]

Those assholes better not come after our beloved Captain Happy Bubble.

[Lomac]

i loved mugs n jugs

Same here. First strip club I ever went to. Snuck my (at the time) 17 year old girlfriend in at the same time. :lol (yes, I was one of those creepers who dated a high schooler after graduating... :lol)

[Inaii]

Same here. First strip club I ever went to. Snuck my (at the time) 17 year old girlfriend in at the same time. :lol (yes, I was one of those creepers who dated a high schooler after graduating... :lol)

Wait a minute.... :suspicious: is that who I think it is?

I used to live with a stripper and when I asked her how come she stripped instead of having a "real" (I was in grade 8) job, she told me it was easy money and she enjoyed it. She'd only had one bad experience and that was her ex showing up (who got thrown out once he started making a scene apparently).

The teacher should have had more sense than to say yes to this imo. Maybe he's butthurt cuz he got thrown out for trying to touch a dancer, or got rejected by one :fullofwin:

[Lomac]

Wait a minute.... :suspicious: is that who I think it is?

Yup! :fullofwin:

[GLOW]

I used to live with a stripper ...I was in grade 8

is there a story to this???!!!

[Inaii]

is there a story to this???!!!

Not really, we shared a house with my dad's friend who was a stripper (my mom and dad have been divorced since I was 3 or 4). She was really nice, but kinda weird.

[Soundy]

Same here. First strip club I ever went to. Snuck my (at the time) 17 year old girlfriend in at the same time. :lol (yes, I was one of those creepers who dated a high schooler after graduating... :lol)

Ah, welcome to the club :ifyouknow:

[Raid3n]

:lawl: at both inaii and lomac

i knew exactly who he was talking about XD was really funny ending up working with lomac about 10 years after meeting him thru the person in question

[punkwax]

i loved mugs n jugs

Same here. My wife and I had our first apartment in the area while she went to Douglas. It would get so hot in our apt that we'd go to Mugs for a beer and some AC to cool down before going home to bed lol. She got a lot of attention from the strippers as well.. ahh memories.

[Gridlock]

You know what the problem is?

Fucking internet.

These kids have had the world's best titties delivered to them at broadband speed since before acne.

No one has shown them what a pro/semi-pro dancer can do for them! Interactive...3d titties, right up in your face.

Someone needs to step up, and educate these high schoolers. With boobs.

[Gridlock]

http://i.imgur.com/GJwIbi1.png

A unique counter-protest.

[zulutango]

"As part of a social justice class project"

We have kids who can barely read and write and an ability to spell correctly is not important....and we are teaching them to become anarchists/occupy/pivot legal society/rent a mob types in school? Since when did this become part of education? Sounds like indoctrination and that has no part in education.

[drunkrussian]

You know what the problem is?

Fucking internet.

These kids have had the world's best titties delivered to them at broadband speed since before acne.

No one has shown them what a pro/semi-pro dancer can do for them! Interactive...3d titties, right up in your face.

Someone needs to step up, and educate these high schoolers. With boobs.

forget that. I grew up with porn too (mind you, pictures that took 2 hours to load)...but when i first met my 3 tittied queen in vegas, i fell in love with the clothes-less arts

[Soundy]

"As part of a social justice class project"

We have kids who can barely read and write and an ability to spell correctly is not important....and we are teaching them to become anarchists/occupy/pivot legal society/rent a mob types in school? Since when did this become part of education? Sounds like indoctrination and that has no part in education.

WELL SAID.

zulutango for PM!

[Soundy]

forget that. I grew up with porn too (mind you, pictures that took 2 hours to load)...but when i first met my 3 tittied queen in vegas, i fell in love with the clothes-less arts

You guys had it easy - I had to get my porn the old-fashioned way: the women's underwear and swimsuit sections of the Sears Catalog! :badpokerface:

[Great68]

Whatever happened to doing a tree planting, or blood drive as a Grade 12 graduating project?

Between this and the stupid Canadian Temperance foundation ads I've been hearing on the radio, as far as I'm concerned these people can suck my ass and stop telling us how we should live our lives.

[Culverin]

For those of us that don't listen to radio/watch tv, can you share what the Temperance thing is?

[sonick]

You guys had it easy - I had to get my porn the old-fashioned way: the women's underwear and swimsuit sections of the Sears Catalog! :badpokerface:

Or my mom's fashion magazines where sometimes there'd be a runway model wearing a sheer top where you could get a shadow of an areola. :fullofwin:

[GLOW]

You know what the problem is?

Fucking internet.

These kids have had the world's best titties delivered to them at broadband speed since before acne.

No one has shown them what a pro/semi-pro dancer can do for them! Interactive...3d titties, right up in your face.

Someone needs to step up, and educate these high schoolers. With boobs.

can't get a motor boat or dry hump from an LED screen either :badpokerface:

[Ronin]

Same here. First strip club I ever went to. Snuck my (at the time) 17 year old girlfriend in at the same time. :lol (yes, I was one of those creepers who dated a high schooler after graduating... :lol)

:ifyouknow:

Someone needs to step up, and educate these high schoolers. With boobs.

I read that as "Step up and educate high schoolers with boobs.". :accepted:

[Great68]

For those of us that don't listen to radio/watch tv, can you share what the Temperance thing is?

It's an organization pushing abstinence from alcohol and drugs.

This is their "Pledge" on their website:

Today, for the benefit of myself, my family, my friends and for Canada as a whole, I take the CTF Temperance Pledge:
1.I accept and will practice temperance defined as voluntary abstinence or restraint in the use of alcohol and drugs.
2.I acknowledge that the misuse of alcohol and drugs is destructive to individuals, families, and society at large, and negatively impacts physical and mental health. The misuse of alcohol and drugs is a human rights issue that can inflict physical and emotional pain, suffering, hardship and even death on the abuser and innocent members of society.
3.I acknowledge that there is a misconception that we must use alcohol and drugs to relax and have fun and that it is irresponsible and unhealthy to become intoxicated on alcohol or high on drugs.
4.I will encourage other family members, friends and fellow citizens to take the CTF Pledge.
5.I accept the principle that temperance will maximize our quality of life as individuals, as families and as a country by promoting health, safety, happiness and prosperity.


To me, it's about as preachy as religion, and undoubtedly where it gets its roots.

FYI, it was the "Women's Temperance Movement" that got prohibition to happen in the US back in the 20's.

[RiceIntegraRS]

You guys had it easy - I had to get my porn the old-fashioned way: the women's underwear and swimsuit sections of the Sears Catalog! :badpokerface:
:badpokerface:
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[Soundy]

It's an organization pushing abstinence from alcohol and drugs.

This is their "Pledge" on their website:

Today, for the benefit of myself, my family, my friends and for Canada as a whole, I take the CTF Temperance Pledge:
1.I accept and will practice temperance defined as voluntary abstinence or restraint in the use of alcohol and drugs.
2.I acknowledge that the misuse of alcohol and drugs is destructive to individuals, families, and society at large, and negatively impacts physical and mental health. The misuse of alcohol and drugs is a human rights issue that can inflict physical and emotional pain, suffering, hardship and even death on the abuser and innocent members of society.
3.I acknowledge that there is a misconception that we must use alcohol and drugs to relax and have fun and that it is irresponsible and unhealthy to become intoxicated on alcohol or high on drugs.
4.I will encourage other family members, friends and fellow citizens to take the CTF Pledge.
5.I accept the principle that temperance will maximize our quality of life as individuals, as families and as a country by promoting health, safety, happiness and prosperity.


To me, it's about as preachy as religion, and undoubtedly where it gets its roots.

FYI, it was the "Women's Temperance Movement" that got prohibition to happen in the US back in the 20's.
At least their "pledge" deals only with THEIR OWN actions, and at most has them ENCOURAGING (not FORCING) others to make that choice FOR THEMSELVES. There's nothing in there about trying to shut down businesses they don't agree with and in other ways fucking up other people's lives.

If someone wants to commit to a course of PERSONAL action to improve THEIR OWN lives, without ramming it down everyone else's throats or using it to negatively impact people they don't even know... I say, more power to them, whether it's this, or committing to go to the gym on a regular basis, or whatever.

[Great68]

You're right, they're not forcing anyone to take their "pledge".

But they sure try to sell it pretty hard when they put their ad on the radio 5 times a day.

I'm still suspicious of their motives.

The temperance movement of the 1910's didn't force anything at the beginning either, until they successfully lobbied the government to put prohibition in place, essentially forcing their ideologies on EVERYONE.

[sam0m0]

You guys had it easy - I had to get my porn the old-fashioned way: the women's underwear and swimsuit sections of the Sears Catalog! :badpokerface:

and don't forget the fuzzy/warped unsubscribed porn channels, that gives you a semi clear viewable glimpse every few seconds. :badpokerface:

[vafanculo]

and don't forget the fuzzy/warped unsubscribed porn channels, that gives you a semi clear viewable glimpse every few seconds. :badpokerface:

PPV channels used to unblur and show the last 5 minutes at time. Good enough for a booby.

But nothing beats Showcase Friday night international movies.
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[sonick]

Also Red Shoe Diaries and Lady Chatterley's Lover

[stewie]

PPV channels used to unblur and show the last 5 minutes at time. Good enough for a booby.

But nothing beats Showcase Friday night international movies.
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10 years ago it was like heaven for a teenager on Friday night..

Soft core porn on ch 13...baby blue movies
Saturday had red shoe diaries

Best late night weekend setup ever for any teenager who was privileged to have a tv in his bedroom :D
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[Graeme S]

I'm with Great68 on this one. Not necessarily because of the huge numbers of advertisements (although that is somewhat bothersome) but because many of these "personal choices" tend to be turned into one of those "I'm living this lifestyle and if you aren't then that must mean you disagree with my lifestyle and we can't be friends anymore".

Honestly, if people are opposed to drinking or drugs, they can just not drink or take them. It's pledges like this that turn in to proselytic "you're wrong and I'm right" mentalities. My Aunt is a vegetarian (Buddhist convert--they're always the most zealous, you know), but she still cooks meat 'cause my uncle likes it. They both own leather of some variety or other (whoops) and so on and so forth. My Aunt didn't need to take a pledge or "affirm her lifestyle" or what have you.

This advertisement of what are and should stay personal choices is just another way of trying to show the rest of the world that you're doing what 'should be done' and everyone else isn't doing 'the right thing'. "Of course I love you even though you drink. But you know, you'd be a better person and I'd love you more if you didn't." :seriously:


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And let's be real, these 'awareness campaigns' are fucking retarded. Do they really think we don't know that not drinking and/or not taking drugs is not an option? Really? I had no idea! I thought I had to drink alcohol daily OR I WOULD FUCKING DIE. Bullshit. It's just another method for people to push their personal morality on others.

[The_AK]

10 years ago it was like heaven for a teenager on Friday night..

Soft core porn on ch 13...baby blue movies
Saturday had red shoe diaries

Best late night weekend setup ever for any teenager who was privileged to have a tv in his bedroom :D
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quite possibly the only reason i know some foreign actors

[Infiniti]

Temperance <-- pfft! Thats exactly what our already up tight/conservative anglo-saxon value based culture needs here. More rules and repression. Only in North America is it that the public is up in arms over the exposure of a breast or butt-cheek somewhere in the media.

[twdm]

Temperance <-- pfft! Thats exactly what our already up tight/conservative anglo-saxon value based culture needs here. More rules and repression. Only in North America is it that the public is up in arms over the exposure of a breast or butt-cheek somewhere in the media.

The middle east and a lot of south/southeast asian countries would like to have a word with you.

[freakshow]

I'm with Great68 on this one. Not necessarily because of the huge numbers of advertisements (although that is somewhat bothersome) but because many of these "personal choices" tend to be turned into one of those "I'm living this lifestyle and if you aren't then that must mean you disagree with my lifestyle and we can't be friends anymore".

Honestly, if people are opposed to drinking or drugs, they can just not drink or take them. It's pledges like this that turn in to proselytic "you're wrong and I'm right" mentalities. My Aunt is a vegetarian (Buddhist convert--they're always the most zealous, you know), but she still cooks meat 'cause my uncle likes it. They both own leather of some variety or other (whoops) and so on and so forth. My Aunt didn't need to take a pledge or "affirm her lifestyle" or what have you.

This advertisement of what are and should stay personal choices is just another way of trying to show the rest of the world that you're doing what 'should be done' and everyone else isn't doing 'the right thing'. "Of course I love you even though you drink. But you know, you'd be a better person and I'd love you more if you didn't." :seriously:

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And let's be real, these 'awareness campaigns' are fucking retarded. Do they really think we don't know that not drinking and/or not taking drugs is not an option? Really? I had no idea! I thought I had to drink alcohol daily OR I WOULD FUCKING DIE. Bullshit. It's just another method for people to push their personal morality on others.
so what you're saying to them is..
"I'm (Graeme S) living this lifestyle (no one should be pushing their opinions on each other) and if you aren't, then that must mean you disagree with my lifestyle and we can't be friends anymore"
:badpokerface:

[Graeme S]

so what you're saying to them is..
"I'm (Graeme S) living this lifestyle (no one should be pushing their opinions on each other) and if you aren't, then that must mean you disagree with my lifestyle and we can't be friends anymore"
:badpokerface:
Best. Rebuttal. Ever.

[Soundy]

Hi, my name is Soundy, and I'm an RS addict...

[Durrann]

Those high schoolers gonna regret it someday
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[Infiniti]

The middle east and a lot of south/southeast asian countries would like to have a word with you.

My apologies..I should've been more specific. I was comparing North America to Europe.

[blkgsr]

Same here. My wife and I had our first apartment in the area while she went to Douglas. It would get so hot in our apt that we'd go to Mugs for a beer and some AC to cool down before going home to bed lol. She got a lot of attention from the strippers as well.. ahh memories.

i love going to the strippers with (and without lol) my wife...they love her so it works out even better for me cause they want to play more knowing you're not just some creepy guy