[pinn3r]

Vancouver police arrest five men after 19-year-old man killed in sword attack (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+police+arrest+five+after+fatal+sword+att ack/7865637/story.html)

VANCOUVER - A sword attack in east Vancouver Wednesday night left a 19-year-old man dead and three men in police custody.

Vancouver police Const. Brian Montague said Thursday that the dead man, who police suspect has ties to drug traffickers, was specifically targeted by his attackers.

"There's nothing for the . . . public to be concerned about," Montague said of the city's first homicide of 2013.

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Montague said police got a call around 10:30 p.m. saying a group of men were fighting in the street in the 6300-block of Elgin Street near East 47th Avenue with weapons including swords and bats.

Officers found the young man with severe injuries that appeared to be caused by a sword. He was taken to hospital by ambulance where he was pronounced dead.

According to an emergency services report at 1:15 a.m., one man was found "partially decapitated," but Montague could not confirm the nature of the injuries.

Five men between the ages of 19 and 21 were arrested Wednesday night. Two were later released; three remained in custody Thursday afternoon. No charges have been laid.

Four of the men were arrested when they came Vancouver General Hospital for treatment for a range of injuries. The fifth man was arrested near 41st Street.

"It's our belief that they were all involved in the attack at Elgin at 47th, but what their roles were is still unclear," said Montague.

Montague said there was no immediate indication that the attack involved gangs or was linked to the recent uptick in shootings in Metro Vancouver.

"We're still trying to determine exactly what happened last night. The stories are all a little convoluted with so many people being involved," he said.

At the scene early Thursday, police had cordoned off a block of Elgin at 47th Avenue while the force's forensic identification unit searched for evidence. The investigators were also examining a silver Honda Pilot SUV parked in the middle of Elgin with a smashed back window and the passenger side door left open. It and another vehicle were later towed away.

Montague could not confirm reports the victim was forced out of the SUV before he was swarmed by the group of men.

At one of the houses behind police tape, officers draped white sheets on the doorstep and front yard of a burgundy-coloured home.

Manpreet Pandhar, 20, said he has lived in the neighbourhood for 10 years and has never heard of any violence happening in the "really quiet" area.

"My brother was out walking the dog around 10:45 and he said there were police cars everywhere and they've got everything taped off and that something was going down," he said, adding that he did not hear any gunshots or screaming.

He said it is very unsettling to hear that a killing had happened so close to his house.

Sukhvir Dhaliwal, who lives in a house on the corner of Elgin and 47th, said he was just getting ready for bed around 10:30 p.m. when his young daughter came into his bedroom and told him there were flashing lights outside. He went outside and saw a man on a stretcher being put in an ambulance in front of a at a neighbouring house.

He doesn't know the people who live in the house, but said there hasn't been any trouble there before.

"This is scary. We have young kids. It makes you worried right? I've been here a long time, more than 10 years and I've never seen anything like this."

ticrawford@vancouversun.com

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fucked up 'cause the guy gradded from my school..
RIP

[Harvey Specter]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/564868-shootings-thread-88.html

[vafanculo]

Live by the sword, die by the sword
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[pinn3r]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/564868-shootings-thread-88.html

my bad.. :okay:

[Harvey Specter]

^
No worries.

[Gerbs]

I was there at like 11:35. The area has the caution tape for the whole block and is filled with cops. Cbc was filming the area at the time probably going to see it on the news tonight.

[StylinRed]

teenagers are stupid in general so i'm not too surprised by an attack with bats,swords,etc

hell i remember Gladstone in the late 80s and 90s, chains, bats, knives, etc, etc were common

[Roach]

Decapitation. Yikes. I wonder how the others received their injuries. Sounds like a bizarre situation.

Kev

[Harvey Specter]

teenagers are stupid in general so i'm not too surprised by an attack with bats,swords,etc

hell i remember Gladstone in the late 80s and 90s, chains, bats, knives, etc, etc were common

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.

[pinn3r]

this area is fuckin sketchy lol.. i wanna move to west side now

[Yodamaster]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/564868-shootings-thread-88.html

I wouldn't call a hack and slash fest a shooting though... Perhaps the shooting thread should be renamed to "homicide thread".

[dyan]

he was identified here:

Victim identified in deadly East Vancouver sword attack - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/01/24/bc-vancouver-homicide.html)
A man killed with a sword in a targeted attack in east Vancouver Wednesday night was 19-year-old Manraj Akalirai, the CBC has learned.

Akalirai was attacked by a large group on Elgin Street near East 47th Avenue, just south of Memorial South Park, at about 10:30 p.m. PT, police said. Several weapons were used in the attack, including bats, clubs and a sword.

Police said the sword hasn't been recovered, but they've determined it was the weapon that killed Akalirai because of the nature of his injuries and a scabbard found on scene.

Five men aged between 19 and 21 were arrested in connection with the attack. Two have since been released. No charges have been laid.

Police said four of the five suspects were arrested at Vancouver General Hospital, where one suspect was treated for injuries.
elgin street at 47th avenueElgin Street at East 47th Avenue

A vehicle was also seized at the hospital, along with another from East 41st Avenue and Ross Street.

Investigators said Akalirai did not have a criminal record. He recently graduated from Gladstone High School.

Police believe the fight originated in the house next door to the yard where Akalirai was found.

It is thought the attack was drug-related and may have had a loose gang connection.

The incident was the city’s first homicide of 2013.

[Geoc]

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.

How did no one get hurt when they were wielding machetes:suspicious:

Also, please do tell more of your gang fight escapades.

[StylinRed]

hell i remember Gladstone in the late 80s and 90s, chains, bats, knives, etc, etc were common


He recently graduated from Gladstone High School.

:suspicious: the hell

[Harvey Specter]

How did no one get hurt when they were wielding machetes:suspicious:

Also, please do tell more of your gang fight escapades.

Machetes were just to act hard, no one pulled it out and used it but I do remember my friends get belted by the Versace belts.

Lol, that's the only fight I can remember from high school days :badpokerface:

[StylinRed]

the victim was "known to police" because of 2 speeding tickets -_-

just on cbcnews

[snails]

tougher laws on swords! jk... but seriously people are fcked up

[murd0c]

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.

same thing happened in Fleetwood park about 15yrs ago. Over 50 people chains, spiked bats, swords etc. Someone got their arm cut off before the cops came and it was beyond a shit show. Buddy lived across the street and we were watching amazed and shocked

[Soundy]

LET'S BAN ALL SWORDS!

WE MUST PUT COPS IN ALL THE SCHOOLS, ARMED WITH SWORDS!!!

FUCK THE NSA (the National Sword Association) AND ALL THOSE LOONIE TOONS! FUCK THE Uhhhh... er, what part of the Constitution protects sword ownership? Oh wait, swords would be classified as "arms" too, I guess... SECOND AMENDMENT, WOOT, I HAVE THE RIGHT PACK A SAMURAI SWORD AROUND!

[StylinRed]

you guys must realize that we're in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) it's a separate country from the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) ;)

[EmperorIS]

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/1954987_f520.jpg

[SpeedStars]

:suspicious: How do the perpetrators sustain injuries when it was one guy versus a numerous amount of others??

[Jason00S2000]

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.

Holy shit, I lived here 49th and victoria vancouver - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/NBmei) back in like... 96-97?

Does anyone remember a blue NSX with the license plate "Nasty1"? I used to see it around this neighborhood in like...94... and my friends who lived around there were scared shitless of the driver, haha.

That 7-11 was trouble after dark, that whole neighborhood was! I got jumped twice just going to the pizza place a block away, but I managed to run away both times with my pizza across the street. Then I was sucker punched coming out of the 7-11 at like 3 AM with some chips and shit. I dated a brown girl around there as well, and her vietnamese roommate had a boyfriend who smashed beer bottles on my car(Daytona Turbo)because I said her chicken dinner smelled bad. It did, it smelled like burnt hair. I didn't mean to be offensive!

I lived with a chinese family for a few months there, they were such nice people, the mom literally worked 16 hour days.

[Yodamaster]

LET'S BAN ALL SWORDS!

WE MUST PUT COPS IN ALL THE SCHOOLS, ARMED WITH SWORDS!!!

FUCK THE NSA (the National Sword Association) AND ALL THOSE LOONIE TOONS! FUCK THE Uhhhh... er, what part of the Constitution protects sword ownership? Oh wait, swords would be classified as "arms" too, I guess... SECOND AMENDMENT, WOOT, I HAVE THE RIGHT PACK A SAMURAI SWORD AROUND!


I can read sarcasm, but to add some legit insight to the thread..

Blades that are deemed as too large for any possible peaceful use are illegal to have on your person in public.

I could holster my short blade KA-BAR on me in public, but the only legal reason for having it on me, would have to be because I'd be using it as a tool, not as a self-defense weapon. Such a blade is pretty much the tipping point in terms of legal carry in a populated place. My autobody teacher carried a KA-BAR with him everywhere without any problem.

It varies greatly by location, if you're in the woods with an axe, it's assumed that the axe is for chopping wood, and is legal. However, brandish an axe in the middle of Vancouver, and you'll be yanked off the street faster than you could blink an eye.

Then there is the legality issue with automatic or spring knives, which is why switchblades are illegal. Even though they are small, they are made for the purpose of quickly deploying and using as a PDW. The law would argue that you could have bought a simple folding blade as a tool.

[JaPoola]

Looks like we need some tighter sword control laws!

[StylinRed]

:suspicious: How do the perpetrators sustain injuries when it was one guy versus a numerous amount of others??

sounds like they hurt themselves with the sword i initially heard reports that a suspect had lost a finger or something

its what happens when you dont know what you're doing with one

[Jason00S2000]

would have to be because I'd be using it as a tool, not as a self-defense weapon.


Surprised they don't use this type of reasoning to ban cars over XXX horsepower...

[GLOW]

That 7-11 was trouble after dark, that whole neighborhood was! I got jumped twice just going to the pizza place a block away, but I managed to run away both times with my pizza across the street.

don't mean to be rude, but when i read this and you mentioned you got away with pizza, this came to mind

http://fromwhoatogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/road-runner-copy.jpg

[see.lai]

RIP bro; last time I saw you was a couple years ago :(

[nabs]

I know this kids sisters, this is really sad. RIP.

[gloors]

Went to high school with one of the guys that got arrested.. Fuckedddddd up
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[El Bastardo]

Looks like we need some tighter sword control laws!

You can have my Kirpan when you pry it from my cold dead hands

[exdee]

grew up with him... it was sad news for me this morning...
he didnt deserve any of this at all, he was a good kid who went to school and everything and was a mommas boy
rip my brotha

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[G-spec]

the victim was "known to police" because of 2 speeding tickets -_-

just on cbcnews



this shit pisses me off beyond explanation.... I understand the Police need to reassure the public everything is ok, and it was targeted or whatever, but blatant bullshit that they pull way too often.... really really pisses me off

[Jason00S2000]

this shit pisses me off beyond explanation.... I understand the Police need to reassure the public everything is ok, and it was targeted or whatever, but blatant bullshit that they pull way too often.... really really pisses me off


It makes the victim seem less important when they say he was "known to police."

[rexsomnii]

So that's why I heard so many cop cars speeding east on 49th and fraser..

RIP Manraj Akalirai

[Shugoy]

I remember all those years in high school together sharing numerous classes with u those are memories that wont be forgotten r.i.p raj.
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[pinn3r]

i didn't know him personally but my friends were buddies with him.. told me that he was a really religious guy, always treated others out and never asked them to pay back, would drive my friend home from school, etc. apparently he was never the type to start shit

i'm feelin really frustrated right now idk why haha. didn't deserve anything like this
he was with the wrong people at the wrong time
RIP

[twitchyzero]

teenagers are stupid in general so i'm not too surprised by an attack with bats,swords,etc

hell i remember Gladstone in the late 80s and 90s, chains, bats, knives, etc, etc were common

east van high schools had its fair share of gang violence but I don't recall any deaths in the last 10-15 years except for one case

[spideyv2]

Holy shit, I lived here 49th and victoria vancouver - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/NBmei) back in like... 96-97?

Does anyone remember a blue NSX with the license plate "Nasty1"? I used to see it around this neighborhood in like...94... and my friends who lived around there were scared shitless of the driver, haha.

That 7-11 was trouble after dark, that whole neighborhood was! I got jumped twice just going to the pizza place a block away, but I managed to run away both times with my pizza across the street. Then I was sucker punched coming out of the 7-11 at like 3 AM with some chips and shit. I dated a brown girl around there as well, and her vietnamese roommate had a boyfriend who smashed beer bottles on my car(Daytona Turbo)because I said her chicken dinner smelled bad. It did, it smelled like burnt hair. I didn't mean to be offensive!

I lived with a chinese family for a few months there, they were such nice people, the mom literally worked 16 hour days.

bro, this is actually a cool story

no sarcasm

[SkinnyPupp]

the viet guys had machetes and versace belts

we had bats and our fists

no one was seriously injured.

:fulloffuck:

[Hondaracer]

Gotta love when somone who put themselves in the position to be beheaded but don't worry because "he was a good guy"

Don't know about you guys but never been in the position with a gun to a head or a knife to my throat.
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[tool001]

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.


cricket bat??







had to ask

[ilvtofu]

It makes the victim seem less important when they say he was "known to police."

They just want to insinuate he was up to no good etc. without actually making those claims. fucking bs

[holyshit]

Gotta love when somone who put themselves in the position to be beheaded but don't worry because "he was a good guy"

Don't know about you guys but never been in the position with a gun to a head or a knife to my throat.
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Is there a problem with other members sharing their good memories of him?

Not to be cliche but people make mistakes, maybe he was unlucky or made friends with the wrong people, it doesn't put you in the position to imply that he was a bad guy because something unfortunate happened to him.

[pinn3r]

Gotta love when somone who put themselves in the position to be beheaded but don't worry because "he was a good guy"

Don't know about you guys but never been in the position with a gun to a head or a knife to my throat.
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lol get the fuck outta here
if you have nothin nice to say, don't say anything at all

he just passed away, show some respect

[Jegz]

^ Show me how to ball hard dlo

I remember this huge fight we had at aces pool hall on victoria drive back in 99, brown guys vs viet guys, the viet guys had machetes and versace belts, we had bats and our fists. We all spilled out on Victoria drive, 40 guys just going at each other, it was quite the sight but luckily no one was seriously injured.

Did u win bro?

[nah]

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Actually I think you did put yourself in that position by hanging with those friends.

[Araaadi]

Gotta love when somone who put themselves in the position to be beheaded but don't worry because "he was a good guy"

Don't know about you guys but never been in the position with a gun to a head or a knife to my throat.
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bad things can happen to good people too..

[StylinRed]

Gotta love when somone who put themselves in the position to be beheaded but don't worry because "he was a good guy"

Don't know about you guys but never been in the position with a gun to a head or a knife to my throat.
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It's actually not that far fetched; i remember back in high school someone kept doing lawns jobs at our house (corner lot) so layed out a board with nails in it on a weekend and sure enough this pickup came by to do their thing (i was actually looking out the window at the time) their tires popped they almost hit a pole and continued on but there was no way they would get far

stupidly, someone drove up and smashed their windows and these guys came back with about 20 people looking for "revenge"? (the fuck) they were drunk, high, and stupid

so something bad could have happened, neighbour called the police and the issue ended right there if it had been 2012/2013 i imagine those guys could have come back yet again for revenge

was it my fault? i guess you could say so since i escalated it but am i a scumbag or gangbanger type that "deserves" to die? fuck no


hell there are far better examples where the victim literally didn't deserve any form of violence/repercussions whatsoever but it happens to them and its far more frequent than you seem to think

[AzNightmare]

wow, wtf.
Maybe that's why I saw some police tape and a parked Police car blocking a street when I was driving along 49th last night.

Not sure if it was a related incident, but seems to add up now
:suspicious:

[Jas29]

i'm agreeing with hondaracer after the stories i've heard about this guy

Edit: also he had other police encounters just never charged with anything

[subordinate]

Where's Phil?

Again we have two sides,:troll:

[RFlush]

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By the way you talk, the guy who held the "piece" in your mouth should of pulled the trigger. Might do us all a favour :)

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

Looks like we need some tighter sword control laws!

It's not about the law, is about the people. Guns don't kill people, it's the people who use the guns. Same goes with swords..

[miss_crayon]

You know what`s even more sad than the 19 year old kid who is dead?

People talking like it aint a big deal that they had a gun pointed at them, or how they will stand by their homies till the end mentality despite knowing the bad shit they do.

Life is about choices. The choice you make on how you`re gonna live your life and the choice of who you choose to BE IN your life is in the palm of your hands. If you have a chance to change or make another choice in life, why wouldn`t you if you can?

I don`t know the guy who passed so I`m not going to comment on his death except I wish his family and loved ones my deepest sympathy. I can`t even imagine the loss his parents are feeling; 19 is way too young.

[Jegz]

Then I choose to live my life like jason00s2000 :fullofwin:

[k2damax]

r.i.p M, you were like a brother to me

[holyshit]

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:pokerface:

[bcrdukes]

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Hardcore. :gay:

[exdee]

lol paul.

[rsx]

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Jesus. Please go play with your homies in some secluded are.

[StylinRed]

well you guys must realize dlo did just lose an acquaintance and it must have brought forth a lot of emotions and thoughts about his own life

lets not go the traditional RS route and flame the guy for shits n giggles?

[bcrdukes]

Why not have a group hug and therapy session too?

[dinamix]

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You wanna race you your car?

[exdee]

is that so.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol isn't the idea of sympathy and empathy, that you could have just been as likely been in that scenario as anyone else?

you give sympathy to a retard or a cripple, because of your ability to feel empathy. meaning you realise that could be you.

some people's minds are just too small to imagine how a situation like that could happen to them.

sometimes trouble comes looking for you. or you're at the wrong place at the wrong time.

you don't have to be a bad boy or be in a gang to get your head chopped off. you could get robbed on vacation and get your fuckin head chopped off too. but some of you guys are just too stupid to realise that. you live in your world, where everything you've done is correct, and if you couldn't possibly imagining it happening to you, that means they must have been doing something bad.


incase some of you retards still don't get it, i'll draw it out in crayon.
just because YOU didn't "choose that path" doesn't mean you shouldn't give sympathy to them.

you were born into a different scenario, the events that occured in your life never lead you to a scenario like that, meaning you are LUCKY.

some others are not so lucky. worse yet, they are born into bad situations.

think beyond yourself. that could be your child, your family friend, your cousin, some kid you knew in high school. your buddy from elementary school that chose a different path.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDs9jy8VNhU

[bcrdukes]

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This was flattering. Thank you.

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This is part of the problem. You see, you can be entitled to any sort of opinion to your heart's desire. But how you communicate it to others and how it is received is another. Not only that, it doesn't help that you're being an imposing little turd about what you believe in. Nobody appreciates it when you start shoving ideas and beliefs down peoples heads.

[StylinRed]

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^^^ i can understand that too

i've friends who've grown into people i would never have hung out with before but i respect and cherish what we've been through in life and although we don't hang out anymore i still consider them friends and would offer a helping hand or friendly ear when they need

and with my comment above i didn't mean your views are currently irrational i meant that your hostility towards others are influenced moreso now by your emotions so others should take it easy ;)

[dinamix]

lol isn't the idea of sympathy and empathy, that you could have just been as likely been in that scenario as anyone else?

you give sympathy to a retard or a cripple, because of your ability to feel empathy. meaning you realise that could be you.

some people's minds are just too small to imagine how a situation like that could happen to them.

sometimes trouble comes looking for you. or you're at the wrong place at the wrong time.

you don't have to be a bad boy or be in a gang to get your head chopped off. you could get robbed on vacation and get your fuckin head chopped off too. but some of you guys are just too stupid to realise that. you live in your world, where everything you've done is correct, and if you couldn't possibly imagining it happening to you, that means they must have been doing something bad.


incase some of you retards still don't get it, i'll draw it out in crayon.
just because YOU didn't "choose that path" doesn't mean you shouldn't give sympathy to them.

you were born into a different scenario, the events that occured in your life never lead you to a scenario like that, meaning you are LUCKY.

some others are not so lucky. worse yet, they are born into bad situations.

think beyond yourself. that could be your child, your family friend, your cousin, some kid you knew in high school. your buddy from elementary school that chose a different path.


Think McFly THINK THINK! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDs9jy8VNhU)

There's no such thing as luck. You choose the right direction regardless of your situation. unless your some retard born out of a cracked out mother.

From what i heard This guy seemed to have come from a good family and made the wrong choices in life.

[geeknerd]

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My intentions are not to go against you but to add some perspective. This mentality will hopefully change for your own safety.

The pain/anger/rage/sadness you must be going through will be felt by your own family if you ever got killed sticking it out till the end with your homies.

If you have a friend who you know is a very active 'gangster' and he asks you to come out while you have a 3 year old child at home, would you go out??? Why risk it... As you said, you never go out thinking you will have a gun pointed at you.

Part of growing up is knowing when to distance yourself from stuff like this despite how hard it might be.

I think this was the point other members were trying to make?

Sorry about your loss. I cant even imagine what it would feel like if one of my friends died like this.

[Yodamaster]

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Could you attempt to form a legible sentence that could pass as english, please? Or are you talking like that to emphasize the perspective in your story? It would make it easier for us to take you seriously, and for us to understand your feelings in greater detail.

You quote yourself as being different from these "homies" of yours, you tell us that you are trying to complete your education, and yet you say that you would smack the shit out of somebody and risk it all over a comment about somebody that is not with us anymore?

And for the love of god, a firearm is not a "piece" or a "gat", it's a firearm. If you had a firearm pointed at you, that should have been your signal to get as far away as possible from all of this supposed chaos. And whether you like it or not, hanging out with these people is putting you in a dangerous position, which is probably why you were caught with a firearm aimed at your head.

From what I can tell, this particular young man touched bases with a few members here. I don't think anybody here wished death upon him, we are simply trying to analyze what we are getting via news outlets.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

There's no such thing as luck. You choose the right direction regardless of your situation. unless your some retard born out of a cracked out mother.

From what i heard This guy seemed to have come from a good family and made the wrong choices in life.

i think you're too young to realise that there is such thing as luck.

such as you're not a black kid born into starvation. oh yeah you have aids too.

such as you were lucky you weren't in the twin towers when the planes fucking slammed into them.

such as when you go to the theatre next time, there isnt some random shooting and you're caught in the middle of it.

such as you wern't born into an abusive family... or how about you're born into poor ass family?

those are just a small sample of examples i can give.


the choices you make are not entirely up to you.
you are affected by every other factor in your life since you were born that lead up to that moment.

you consider entirely different choices when you're in certain moods.
you allow certain things to happen when you're in certain states of mind.

if you're right, then it's not him to blame. it's his parents. and his grand parents. and his grandparents parents.

because if they chose a different path in their life and maybe he was born on the west side, or in europe, he would have never been in that situation.

there is a lot of luck in life. you're a complete fool to think you have that much control of everything that happens around you.

the next time you get sick, it's your fault for getting sick.

[rsx]

i think you're too young to realise that there is such thing as luck.

such as you're not a black kid born into starvation. oh yeah you have aids too.

such as you were lucky you weren't in the twin towers when the planes fucking slammed into them.

such as when you go to the theatre next time, there isnt some random shooting and you're caught in the middle of it.

those are just a small sample of examples i can give.




I would lean towards probability. You can avoid certain things to ensure "bad luck" doesn't happen.

[dinamix]

I would lean towards probability. You can avoid certain things to ensure "bad luck" doesn't happen.

Yup.if its your time to die then its your time to die. Not because your unlucky .

[Jegz]

I still chill with the same core people I rolled with years ago, minus a few guys who became shady, fell off, etc. I have the same mentality as dlo; that is ride with your buddies until the end. But there is a point in life where you, realize fuck it and you got to do your own thing. What if one of your friends is going another route that you don't want to head? ie: selling drugs or do shit all in life.

When a single crab is in a bucket, it can escape, but when a group of crabs are in a bucket and try to escape, no one will get out. When one crab rises, the rest pulls it down. Point is, your buddies will drag you down but they wont know that they're even doing it.

You learn to grow up and try to distance yourself from the distractions. Anyways RIP.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I would lean towards probability. You can avoid certain things to ensure "bad luck" doesn't happen.

yeah, but i can easily shove that reasoning back at you.

take any instance from your life, where you were doing something you shouldn't be. perhaps something dangerous or whatever.

you're safe now. but imagine if something bad had actually happened. something that you didn't plan for and didn't foresee. imagine someone got seriously injured or died because of that.

everyone's been in a dangerous situation before. just imagine, you weren't so lucky.

it only needs to happen once.


a simple example would be shit like firecrackers. 99% of you have played with that shit ok.

or drinking and driving, oh i know, a shit ton of you have done that.

or that moment of anger, where you're about to punch someone in the face cuz you're so fucking angry, but for some reason you calmed down just before it clicked.


Yup.if its your time to die then its your time to die. Not because your unlucky .

or how about if a forum member is a fucking psycho and decided they've had enough of your retarded comments and makes it his mission to destroy you. yeah? you decided to post on rs, so it's your fault someone decided to come kill you right?

hmm how about if you just got your dream job, and you've worked hard to get this position. you're finally in a happy place in your life. then an important family member dies... overseas. but you're on probation at work. your boss is a prick. you pick, the funeral or your job? is that unlucky or what? or is it your fault you chose to get that job. or is it your family members fault that they had to fucking die when you're on probation?

you are a prime example of the unlucky/unfortunate. you're fucking retarded.

give me a break. do i need to post that fucking mcfly video again?

THINK. USE YOUR FUCKIN BRAIN. THINK MAN. THINK.

[Valour]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHGOC7tFeE

[Sushi604]

teenagers are stupid in general so i'm not too surprised by an attack with bats,swords,etc

hell i remember Gladstone in the late 80s and 90s, chains, bats, knives, etc, etc were common

Funny you mentioned that. When I was younger I was in a fight in their soccer field and got caught off guard with a pipe to my back.

Good and bad memories I guess.

[xeryusx]

RIP.

Internet never fails to shit on serious threads.

[dinamix]

yeah, but i can easily shove that reasoning back at you.

take any instance from your life, where you were doing something you shouldn't be. perhaps something dangerous or whatever.

you're safe now. but imagine if something bad had actually happened. something that you didn't plan for and didn't foresee. imagine someone got seriously injured or died because of that.

everyone's been in a dangerous situation before. just imagine, you weren't so lucky.

it only needs to happen once.


a simple example would be shit like firecrackers. 99% of you have played with that shit ok.

or drinking and driving, oh i know, a shit ton of you have done that.

or that moment of anger, where you're about to punch someone in the face cuz you're so fucking angry, but for some reason you calmed down just before it clicked.




or how about if a forum member is a fucking psycho and decided they've had enough of your retarded comments and makes it his mission to destroy you. yeah? you decided to post on rs, so it's your fault someone decided to come kill you right?

hmm how about if you just got your dream job, and you've worked hard to get this position. you're finally in a happy place in your life. then an important family member dies... overseas. but you're on probation at work. your boss is a prick. you pick, the funeral or your job? is that unlucky or what? or is it your fault you chose to get that job. or is it your family members fault that they had to fucking die when you're on probation?

you are a prime example of the unlucky/unfortunate. you're fucking retarded.

give me a break. do i need to post that fucking mcfly video again?

THINK. USE YOUR FUCKIN BRAIN. THINK MAN. THINK.

Put that bong down bro. Your overthinking life.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

you know some people always function at that level without the need for weed.

i don't go around telling phd's they're over thinking just because i cannot think at their level.

you're just capped out bro. max capacity reached. no offence meant, seriously.

[dinamix]

you know some people always function at that level without the need for weed.

i don't go around telling phd's they're over thinking just because i cannot think at their level.

you're just capped out bro. max capacity reached. no offence meant, seriously.

No offence taken. Im not capped out, its my max giveafuck capacity has been reached . We all have different perspectives on life. Lets leave it at that

[Razor Ramon HG]

What did dlo say that got erased?

[El Bastardo]

What did dlo say that got erased?

dlo was upset about losing a friend and got into it with some of the guys in this thread. He obviously didn't mean to turn this thread into a fight so I've taken care of the posts so we can get back on track.

[bcrdukes]

:QQ:

Group hug, bitches. Leave the e-thuggery at the front door. El Bastardo's got milk and cookies. They contain nuts so you're out if you're allergic.

[CrisQo]

I assume the heavy police presence in my neighbourhood has something to do with this murder. The police have been at this house up the road from me all day yesterday and all throughout the night. They are still out there this morning, only about 4 or 5 cars but there was more yesterday.

It's making me uncomfortable because it's just across the street from me and has to be pretty serious to have that kind of police presence. They are in the front, back, side and in the park across the road..

[Jason00S2000]

bad things can happen to good people too..


"I'm a bad mutha fucka because the good die young" - Lil Wayne

[Hondaracer]

No offence taken. Im not capped out, its my max giveafuck capacity has been reached . We all have different perspectives on life. Lets leave it at that

Max fucks given capacity, win.
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[AAnthony]

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[fT-z33wor]

DLo got all hood rich on us :lol
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Shieet - YouTube

[Geoc]

Can someone make a gang stories thread? This shit is so captivating, especially since so many locals here have stories to tell.
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[Presto]

Victim ID'd

http://www.leaderpost.com/7872625.bin

Police identify Vancouver's first homicide victim of 2013 | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/01/25/police-identify-vancouvers-first-homicide-victim-of-2013/)

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – The victim of Vancouver’s first homicide of the year is being identified.

Police says 19-year-old Manraj Akalirai died January 23 during a street brawl on Elgin Street near East 47th Avenue.

The attack is believed to have been targeted and involved bats, clubs, and a sword.

Investigators have said they believe the sword may have been the murder weapon.

Five men that were arrested shortly after the attack have all been released.

Police have a sixth suspect in custody they believe may have been involved in Akalirai’s death.

[gregpatoc]

RIP bro, just saw you driving around last week and now your gone..
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[nabs]

RIP Manraj Akalirai

I have yet to even say his name... but just reading that brought tears to my eyes.

[adambomb]

Can someone make a gang stories thread? This shit is so captivating, especially since so many locals here have stories to tell.
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Five-O
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[Harvey Specter]

Very sad reading about this guy. I had a friend who was stabbed and killed by another friend 12 years ago which happen not too far from this murder at the basketball courts at Moberly. It was a senseless murder and this sounds like this was another senseless murder. The amount of pain and suffering the family will go through will unbearable and the person who committed this murder will probably live with guilt for the rest of their life. Sad situation all around.

[Mr.Money]

:QQ:

Group hug, bitches. Leave the e-thuggery at the front door. El Bastardo's got milk and cookies. They contain nuts so you're out if you're allergic.

fuc Uz bitch,i run da streetz,yo.
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[Spidey]

Holy shit, I lived here 49th and victoria vancouver - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/NBmei) back in like... 96-97?

Does anyone remember a blue NSX with the license plate "Nasty1"? I used to see it around this neighborhood in like...94... and my friends who lived around there were scared shitless of the driver, haha.

That 7-11 was trouble after dark, that whole neighborhood was! I got jumped twice just going to the pizza place a block away, but I managed to run away both times with my pizza across the street. Then I was sucker punched coming out of the 7-11 at like 3 AM with some chips and shit. I dated a brown girl around there as well, and her vietnamese roommate had a boyfriend who smashed beer bottles on my car(Daytona Turbo)because I said her chicken dinner smelled bad. It did, it smelled like burnt hair. I didn't mean to be offensive!

I lived with a chinese family for a few months there, they were such nice people, the mom literally worked 16 hour days.

nice life bio there

[Presto]

Holy shit, I lived here 49th and victoria vancouver - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/NBmei) back in like... 96-97?


LOL... that duplex that pops up in the street view is my friend's place. I lived there for a month, back in '97, i think.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I wonder if this was a random gang initiation sort of thing.. the victim from what I've been seeing on Facebook and here definitely does not seem like the type that would get himself targeted.

[payrent]

no racist but have anyone else noticed from this thread, the shootings thread and the maple ridge assault thread that recently all the people involved were east indian?

[StylinRed]

the maple ridge guy isn't east indian..

and, yes... racist

[payrent]

the maple ridge guy isn't east indian..

and, yes... racist

not racist cause its just an observation.

my bad for mistaking the maple ridge person.

[EuterVanWasser]

not racist cause its just an observation.

my bad for mistaking the maple ridge person.

Not racist yet not willing to post under your regular handle.. had to register a new acct to toss that old softball out there.

Riiiiight. :moderatorban:

RIP to this Raj kid, no one deserves to go out that way.

[payrent]

Not racist yet not willing to post under your regular handle.. had to register a new acct to toss that old softball out there.

Riiiiight. :moderatorban:

RIP to this Raj kid, no one deserves to go out that way.

In the other threads people are throwing out "SURREY JACKS!!!" which is an obvious derogatory term towards indo-canadians and no one gets failed for that...?

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[BrRsn]

In the other threads people are throwing out "SURREY JACKS!!!" which is an obvious derogatory term towards indo-canadians and no one gets failed for that...?

Since when is surrey jack derogatory towards brown people?

News to me ... then again wtf do I know

[StylinRed]

yeah i always assumed it meant surrey jackasses as in any thug wannabe from surrey

[van_city23]

i think payment is a surrey jack. Sad story, but the reality is, younger and younger ppl are getting into this whole gang mess. Doesn't look or sound like he was in a gang, maybe he was trying to roll with some of those types of guys?

[Razor Ramon HG]

not an initiation.

he was a good kid, not cut out for "gang" life period, he knew this himself and i told him many times also.

the problem likely wasn't his to begin with but things get misconstrued easily and someone else's problem can easily become your own.

No, I meant the attackers were a group of newbie initiates into some gang, and the victim was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

From my point of view, it makes sense seeing as there were more than several attackers with random weapons, and the victim was a good guy.

[van_city23]

^ that does make a bit of sense. Or it could just be a highschool thing where there's a fight and it escalates. When there's a fight like that or even jumping someone, everyone's under the impression of bats and such to hurt the victim but everyone may not be aware that one has a knife or sword and actually pull it out and use it. The article said that 3 or 4 of them were arrested at a hospital where they took a friend in, i'm sure if the actual intent was to kill the kid then not all of them would have taken a friend to the hospital.

People are quick to pull out the gang thing now but reality is that not every kid or person in that age group is in a gang. Yah some of them may think it's cool and want to think they are in one or think they are gangsters but really aren't anything. I don't not all of the facts but sounds like a jumping that got out of control either way, no one deserves to die at the hands of another.

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[?NR]

Please keep the racial profiling to zero. Thanks.
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[Meowjin]

white people

[elwell]

so i heard they threw the sword at him and it caught his neck :(

[Spidey]

so i heard they threw the sword at him and it caught his neck :(

and by throw, do you mean swing with one hand holding the handle??? just like some people may "throw" bullets at other with something they call a gun? :failed:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i'm pretty sure he means throw, as in to throw a baseball.

[dn53]

i went out with the guy a few times in hs and seemed like a really nice guy. some of my friends were close to him and its really hard to believe this all happened. A sword was not "thrown" at him (how could this partly sever someones head?) nor do i believe it was gang related. it was just a mix up of being with the wrong crowd of people.

personally i wasnt that close to manraj but rest in peace, and all my condolences to his family.

[vafanculo]

I say it was more of a guy who lost control and swung it like a baseball bat going for a homerun.

Sucks for him if he was as nice as people say. But, it just goes to show you just how much you need to try to not put yourself in that position. That could have happen to the any one of them.
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[Jas29]

I heard he got stabbed a couple of months ago and was in the hospital for awhile
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[KingDeeCee]

Wow...."I heard..."

How about we stop spreading rumors about this guy? Half this thread is a bunch of "I heard..."

[-vancityguy-]

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[dinosaur]

so...this was the second time?

kind of makes you wonder about everyone saying he wasn't involved with shit and was just a nice guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, eh?

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[Spidey]

i'm pretty sure he means throw, as in to throw a baseball.

I knew what he meant. I just find it hard to believe anyone would believe someones head was nearly decapitated (if it were true) by a sword being thrown at him. I know it is POSSIBLE as anything pretty much is, but come on.

[?NR]

white people

Banned permanently and I don't give a fuck if you've been on RS eons. Fuck off.
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[Spidey]

i can confirm this actually.

he didn't deserve it that time and likely(in my opinion) this recent event is connected.

after the stabbing i had a long talk with him and told him to lay low, avoid areas and certain people.. he did for a bit but people get comfortable and let their guard down.

people who live an honest life, and have honest friends, should not have to have their guard up, to enjoy life.

[StylinRed]

Banned permanently and I don't give a fuck if you've been on RS eons. Fuck off.
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think majin was referring to all the people profiling and being racist

if that helps? :badpokerface:

[bcrdukes]

lol

[?NR]

think majin was referring to all the people profiling and being racist

if that helps? :badpokerface:
That itself is profiling. Keep on topic, discuss, talk but God sakes leave race out. Read people: zero profiling.
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[-vancityguy-]

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[Spidey]

These days everyone has their guard up to a certain extent. Women walking alone at night, night out at the bar, sketchy areas - normal people exercise caution.

If the victim had his guard up this would not have happened, if anything his guard was down.

The thing is there are way too many psychos out there these days. Step on someones toes even slightly and you can't predict what is going to happen. It is better to avoid it if you can.
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I understand what you are saying, and it is true to a certain extent, but being attacked twice within months is not just a coincidence.

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[Ronin]

These days everyone has their guard up to a certain extent. Women walking alone at night, night out at the bar, sketchy areas - normal people exercise caution.

If the victim had his guard up this would not have happened, if anything his guard was down.

The thing is there are way too many psychos out there these days. Step on someones toes even slightly and you can't predict what is going to happen. It is better to avoid it if you can.
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I think what he's saying is that normal people aren't attacked by dudes with bats and swords.

Yes, I'm on guard in regard (reguard? :troll: ) to muggers if I'm walking around the DTES at night or, if you live in Richmond, drivers but I've never had to worry that Agent 47 or Altair is coming to get me because I don't keep company with people that would kill me for stepping on their toes.

Say what you want but the guy was targeted so he was targeted for a reason.

[Anjew]

I cant find the reference where the police labeled this kid 'known to police' because of his 2 speeding tickets. Can anyone throw up a link or video?

[exdee]

so...this was the second time?

kind of makes you wonder about everyone saying he wasn't involved with shit and was just a nice guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, eh?

it was a set up and he wasn't involved in anything

[StylinRed]

I cant find the reference where the police labeled this kid 'known to police' because of his 2 speeding tickets. Can anyone throw up a link or video?

no, the police said he was known to police in the press conference and cbc news said it was because of 2 speeding tickets

but outside of that one broadcast i haven't heard the same again

if you can find a video for the local cbc news from thursday it'll be in there

[SoulCrusher]

From reading the province news paper today, apparently Manraj was stabbed a few months ago and he was cooperating with the police with their investigation. The article stated that he was being continually harassed by the group linked to the stabbing leading up to his death.

Also, the Indo Canadian media has been covering the story quite extensively. One of the media outlets had some of Manrajs family speak. They stated that he received a phone call from a close friend earlier that night and he ended up going somewhere with him. This was the setup and ultimately led to his beating. He told his younger sisters that he was going out with this friend and he was known to the family.

At 10:30 that night he was supposed to pick up his mom from work. When he didn't pick her up, she phoned his cell but no response. She called the house and his sisters told her that he had left the house 2 hours earlier with the friend.

Mom eventually made it home from work. She ended up calling the friend he went out with no he didn't answer his phone. She called the friends house and spoke to his mom. She told Manrajs mom that he had some sort of accident and had been taken to the hospital.

Again, this is what was reported by indo Canadian media. Take it for what its worth.
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[SoulCrusher]

Cst Montague did state he 'was known to police' in the press release shortly after the killing. He also referenced loose gang affiliations.
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[Harvey Specter]

I seriously can't stand the indo-Canadian media, they basically report gossip as "real" news and have zero respect for the victims families so I would take whatever they write or say with a grain of salt.

[SoulCrusher]

^ I completely agree with you however ive only posted the statements made by the family... and not the conclusions or the analysis of the media.
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[Harvey Specter]

^ I completely agree with you however ive only posted the statements made by the family... and not the conclusions or the analysis of the media.
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Oh, ok...my bad.

[svelt]

i went out with the guy a few times in hs and seemed like a really nice guy. some of my friends were close to him and its really hard to believe this all happened. A sword was not "thrown" at him (how could this partly sever someones head?) nor do i believe it was gang related. it was just a mix up of being with the wrong crowd of people.

personally i wasnt that close to manraj but rest in peace, and all my condolences to his family.

Seriously, how can you "throw" a sword at someone and almost cut off someone's head? I don't think they even try that in Hollywood. However it happened, it's obvious the perpetrator had a very serious and planned killing intent, can't remotely misconstrue it as a "freak accident".

[Harvey Specter]

A bit off topic but a similar murder in the UK this past weekend involving swords and a gang of youths...

Pimlico stabbing: Teenager, 16, was 'heard screaming for his life before he was killed by sword wielding gang' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269341/Pimlico-stabbing-Teenager-16-heard-screaming-life-killed-sword-wielding-gang.html)

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[Jason00S2000]

people who live an honest life, and have honest friends, should not have to have their guard up, to enjoy life.


There's always an element of risk in life. I know a guy who was nearly killed when his girlfriend's ex got out of prison and found him. The ex had been broken up with the convict for like 10 years before he stalked dude and kicked his ass.

I have some level of guard up, always!

[Jason00S2000]

I seriously can't stand the indo-Canadian media, they basically report gossip as "real" news and have zero respect for the victims families so I would take whatever they write or say with a grain of salt.


Different cultures, different styles

[drunkrussian]

so complete speculation at this point im sure but from reading this thread sounds like it MAY BE a case of the first time he was stabbed just due to association and the second time for snitchig. if so i find these types of attacks the worst because it means the person was tryig to cooperate with the law but the law could not protect them
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[Spidey]

There's always an element of risk in life. I know a guy who was nearly killed when his girlfriend's ex got out of prison and found him. The ex had been broken up with the convict for like 10 years before he stalked dude and kicked his ass.

I have some level of guard up, always!

No one said that there wasn't any risk in life, but to be assaulted/caused bodily harm on 2 occasions (death on the second), is not common, at all. It isn't healthy, nor is it necessary for regular, honest people, to live their lives in paranoia, thinking everyone around them has the capacity to "throw a sword at their neck".

[twitchyzero]

These days everyone has their guard up to a certain extent. Women walking alone at night, night out at the bar, sketchy areas - normal people exercise caution.

If the victim had his guard up this would not have happened, if anything his guard was down.

The thing is there are way too many psychos out there these days. Step on someones toes even slightly and you can't predict what is going to happen. It is better to avoid it if you can.
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No one said that there wasn't any risk in life, but to be assaulted/caused bodily harm on 2 occasions (death on the second), is not common, at all. It isn't healthy, nor is it necessary for regular, honest people, to live their lives in paranoia, thinking everyone around them has the capacity to "throw a sword at their neck".

agreed with Blue. Obviously women have to keep an eye out for sex offenders when they are out and about.

why would anyone without gang affiliation need to worry about getting whacked? Even if you live an honest legitmate life ...don't step on people's toes in the first place. Being cautious about someone robbing your valuables is different than stressing out about getting gunned down.

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[N8]

Doesnt matter if we think the guy put himself at risk or not, through snitching or just hanging with the wrong crew at the wrong place/time. Dude didn't deserve to die... RIP

[toyobaru]

too many kids these days think they are untouchable. If this kid survived this attack i could imagine him braggin to his friends about how untouchable is after surviving two attacks.

[inkcognito]

too many kids these days think they are untouchable. If this kid survived this attack i could imagine him braggin to his friends about how untouchable is after surviving two attacks.

I've actually met/know quite a few people who are like this. Now, you'd think that most of these kids would have some senses in them to realize they shouldn't be doing what they're doing, or else it'll lead to situations like this.. Unfortunately, not. Majority of them just stay the same, or even worst.

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[toyobaru]

With all due respect though, its bad when parents lose their child, but lets face it. There are a lot of kids in high school who try to act tough and act like their built to run in the black market and dont know what their getting into. Then when its too late where someone decided they are next on the food chain it was all "he was such a good kid I cant think of anyone that would want to do this". Too many parents don't know what their kids are getting into until its too late. If you screwed up you gotta face someone down the line isnt going to be happy.

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[Klobbersaurus]

play with fire, your gonna get burned

knew someone that was has known this guy since elementary school, told him he was lucky they aren't friends anymore cause it could have been him that was killed

[SoulCrusher]

^ lol.
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[corollagtSr5]

good one

[gunz4hire]

sad to hear, but at the same time very shocking. very shocking cuz these people are around my age group and its honestly fukked that this type of stuff happens, especially in my neighbourhood

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

so i have a question... it's to do with the law...

if i am a gun owner, and i happen to live nearby or be coming home from the range....

and i see a bunch of people chasing someone with deadly weapons (swords knives etc).

i am allowed to defend the victim right? if they are about to cause harm to him that could be potentially life threatening... I am allowed to shoot... am i not?

[kevin7352]

I wouldn't do it

[geeknerd]

so i have a question... it's to do with the law...

if i am a gun owner, and i happen to live nearby or be coming home from the range....

and i see a bunch of people chasing someone with deadly weapons (swords knives etc).

i am allowed to defend the victim right? if they are about to cause harm to him that could be potentially life threatening... I am allowed to shoot... am i not?

i bet ur not allowed. its canada; u get in shit for harming a home invader -.-
if incidents like it was allowed it would promote gun ownership on a street level and such. also if u held an attacker at gunpoint, when the police comes, they'll probably shoot u down. lol
(this is all speculation)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

you get hammered for harming a home invader.

but you wouldn't get hammered if he had a gun and had intent to shoot you, or he had a knife and was coming at you with it.

same goes for if he was pointing a gun at someone else or charging someone else with a knife. you can shoot them.

so why not on the streets? im sure the same law applies.

u can do it if life is in IMMEDIATE danger.. they have to have a deadly weapon as well.

[payrent]

you cant do shit cause its not your life in danger. Plus the weapon of the other party must be the same force as you.
It's not like the US where the castle law is much more generous.

you'll probably get attempted murder and firearm charges.

Sad as it may be, I've read too many reports of good samaritans getting sued/charged for helping. Best you can do is call 911, not worth the liability

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

someone else's life is in immediate danger.
as long as a life is in danger, you have the right to stop it with equal force i believe.

it has to be immediate. like the guy cant be standing 20 feet away with a knife. he has to be within swinging range.

[Graeme S]

No, with reasonable force.

I'm 6' tall, about 165lbs (very little of it muscle), and have had no self defence training previously. If someone is coming at me and is 6'4 and 240lbs my natural tendency would be to grab a bat or a bar or something and hit him as he approached me.

Now, if I were to hit him once, I would then have to give him the opportunity to stop/retreat. This is typically what the court would consider 'reasonable'. Hit someone, show them you can defend yourself, and expect them to back off because of that. But let's be honest: adrenaline is pumping, I'm freaked the fuck out, I hit him once and then again and again until he's moaning and the next step above a pulp on the ground. Then I call the cops and an ambulance.

And then I get arrested for assault. Because I was being threatened and ensured that he couldn't hurt me. Which is more than what the courts would consider reasonable force.



You are not allowed to reply with 'equal' force. The courts don't follow the golden rule (do unto him before he can do unto you), they follow the rule of "do the absolute least you can to hurt the guy who's trying to fuck you up".

[payrent]

theres too many variables which don't go in your favour. Also Depends a lot on the cop/jury/judge

Evil but remember, shoot to kill. No contradicting witness, no lawsuit.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

so if i see someone that is being charged with a knife... and he's swinging but missing, i am not allowed to shoot him once to stop him?

what if he's stabbed the guy once, and he keeps going at it. and u know he's going to end up killing him...

reasonable force... its reasonable. he has a knife, and is going to KILL the guy.
i have a gun. i don't have a knife. or anything else. i think it's justified that i can shoot the attacker ONCE. or at least fire a warning shot, and if he doesnt stop, then i can shoot him.. until he stops trying to stab the guy/drops the knife...

that's reasonable is it not?

it's the same as if someone had a gun, and was POINTING it at someone... that's enough to justify someone else shooting him.


the logic is... once they have a deadly weapon (deadly as in they can use it, ie. within range). it doesn't matter how big they are. it is deadly.

[Graeme S]

You're not defending yourself. You may (MAY) get away with firing a warning shot or something similar, but you're also setting yourself up for careless discharge of a firearm (where were you aiming? How could you be sure that you wouldn't hit something?) But the laws for defending other people are not the same as those for defending yourself. IANAL but as far as I know, you would essentially be charged with assault stemming from an initial incident. If a person is aiming a gun at you and you have a reasonable belief that they are going to shoot you, then you have a right to defend yourself. You do not get a double-0 license for that individual. You get to defend yourself. Which means (according to Canadian Law), 'reasonable force' which would mean wounding the dude.

If he died and you were defending yourself, you could claim self-defence. If he died and he was chasing some other dude, you would be charged with murder.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

whatttt does someone who actually knows reply?

I remember taking criminal justice and they taught us defending someone else who is defenceless would be the same thing as defending yourself.

reasonable force is until the guy stops. if you only have a gun, reasonable force is just shooting. it doesn't matter the aftermath if he dies or if he's wounded. u cannot control that.

lol for all those little things like careless discharge.. etc. that's easy to avoid. just shoot into the grass ground. etc. those are little things that you can easily get away with.

[DragonChi]

This is my speculation. I'm not a lawyer.

If you think you'll die, you can use whatever force is required to defend yourself.

If you think you won't die, you can use as much force as they have.

So let's say you went to defend him, but the crowd started targeting you, you pull the gun, I doubt they'll keep running at you.

Let's say that they've got a gun too and it escalates, you panick and fire first, and kill. I have no idea what would happen. Maybe 2nd degree? That's probably what you'd end up with.