[Shorn]

Arguably the most wanted man in America, fired police Officer Christopher Jordan Dorner may well be in hiding -- plotting his next move after allegedly killing three people. Officers toting high-powered weapons fanned out Friday across thousands of square miles, searching for their former colleague.
Some in the public are even calling him a hero.
Police zeroed in on a mountain resort town west of Los Angeles where searchers Thursday found Dorner's burned-out pickup truck. An approaching storm threatened to hinder the already difficult search.
The 270-pound former Navy lieutenant and fired Los Angeles officer promised to bring "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" to police officers and their families, calling it the "last resort" to clear his name and get back at a department that he claims mistreated him.
Manhunt continues for ex-LAPD cop Miller: Dorner hunting the hunters Danger of searching for an ex-cop Dorner's friend: Manifesto is 'shocking'
Dorner, 33, is wanted in the killing of two people in Irvine, California, on Sunday and in the shooting of three Los Angeles-area police officers Thursday, which killed one of them.
One of the victims of the Irvine killings, Monica Quan, was the daughter of the retired police officer who represented Dorner in his efforts to get his job back, police have confirmed.
Where police see a violent killer, others think of Dorner as kind of an epic anti-hero waging war against an institution they see as corrupt.
"God bless you Chris #Dorner," one Twitter user posted. "I believe in what goes around comes around. The LAPD is crooked."
Another tweeter said Dorner was wrong, but the "#LAPD has done much worse things than he has."
"My opinion of the suspect is unprintable," Riverside police Chief Sergio Diaz said, hours after one of his officers was killed. "The manifesto, I think, speaks for itself (as) evidence of a depraved and abandoned mind and heart."
Here's what is known so far:
-- Dorner, who worked as a Los Angeles Police Department officer from 2005 to 2008, is accused of killing Quan and her fiance Sunday in Irvine, then shooting two Riverside, California, police officers and an LAPD officer Thursday. Police say he unleashed numerous rounds at the Riverside officers, riddling their car with bullets and killing a 34-year-old officer. The second officer in the car was seriously wounded, and the LAPD officer suffered only minor injuries, police said.
-- In a lengthy letter provided by police, Dorner said he had been unfairly fired by the LAPD after reporting another officer for police brutality. He decried what he called a continuing culture of racism and violence within the department, and called attacks on police and their families "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Police search for alleged cop killer Track the events leading up to manhunt Fired cop's 'last resort' manifesto
-- Leads have taken police from Los Angeles to San Diego to Las Vegas to the California mountain resort town of Big Bear, where police found Dorner's widely sought gray pickup, thoroughly burned. Despite door-to-door searches and a constant presence since Thursday, police had found no trace of him Friday.
-- The LAPD and other agencies have gone to extremes to protect officers. Forty teams of officers were guarding people named as targets in Dorner's letter. On Thursday, one of the teams shot at a pickup that resembled Dorner's but turned out to be a Los Angeles Times newspaper delivery vehicle.
-- Despite Dorner's statement in the letter that "when the truth comes out, the killing stops," Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck said authorities don't plan to apologize to Dorner or clear his name. Dorner's firing, Beck said Thursday, had already been "thoroughly reviewed."
-- In Nevada on Thursday, FBI agents searched Dorner's Las Vegas home. The search forced some of Dorner's neighbors out of their homes for several hours, CNN affiliate KLAS reported.
"It's too close to home. It's kind of scary," neighbor Dan Gomez told KLAS.

Where is the most wanted man in America? - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/us/lapd-attacks/index.html)

surprised i didn't see this till now, this is a pretty big deal

cliffs-
- guy used to be in lapd but filed complaint against his colleague for kicking a homeless man in the face
- eventually got fired for making 'false statements'
- police believe he shot a retired police officer's daughter and her fiancee
- he also shot 2 cops that were on patrol
- he posted a manifesto online describing why he's doing this and a list of people he's gonna kill, and basically says 'i'm coming for all of you and you can't stop me'
- LAPD is going out in full force to find this guy, protective detail for the targets named in his manifesto
- LAPD also accidentally shot a few citizens apparently cause they were driving similar cars to the suspects
- huge manhunt in California, Nevada, Arizona
- some people on twitter are praising this guy

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195137-01-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195436-03-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207201235-09-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg

you can read his manifesto uncensored here: http://wap.myfoxla.com/w/main/story/84473837/

[Roach]

For some reason I am reminded of this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Training_Day_Poster.jpg/220px-Training_Day_Poster.jpg

Kev

[tmc22]

Fired LAPD Officer Shoots 3 Fellow Cops Killing One-Release’s Manifesto Exposing Corruption | Davey D's Hip Hop Corner (http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/)

so the LAPD apparently shot 2 asian women in a similar truck.. When did 2 asian women start looking like a black man..? :seriously::fulloffuck:

[Shorn]

yeah i'm smelling some big lawsuits against them when this is all over.

you can't go around shooting people in cars before you confirm that they're the suspect.

[StylinRed]

2 incidents of police firing at vehicles because they're not up to snuff to be police

1 with 2 asian women who were hit

another where they missed the driver but shot up his truck


i can understand being scared but it kind of goes with the territory no? luckily no one died and hopefully those women recover without much pain in the future (one of them was released the other is still in hospital)

[Ax2-Y]

i just read his manifesto and he called out all sorts of people by name for some pretty despicable things. I don't know about going out and killing everyone but I guess he must have really felt his life was ruined and he had nothing else to live for. if you have the time I highly recommend you give it a read.

[Shorn]

yeah i honestly believe he has his side to his story, doesn't make what he's doing right, but the LAPD is known for their lying and cover-ups anyway so i wouldn't be surprised if at least a part of his story was true.
he's still crazy in some way for sure though, you don't do this kind of thing without being mentally unstable, but you also don't do it unless you were 100% you were right about what happened.

[pastarocket]

No matter how this manhunt turns out, I think Hollywood is gonna cash in on this manhunt for Dorner.

I can see movie being made about Dorner and the LAPD. Hmmm, who's gonna be the brother in the starring role of Dorner?

Big black guy, 270 pounds. LL Cool J?

:considered:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/LL-Cool-J-Tattoos.jpeg

[snails]

well, when some people get the only thing they have "his career" in this case, they snap, have no reason to live and want to take those responsible out then it makes sense. not right by any means, but we have all had that hopeless feeling inside, hope no one else is injured or killed as a result of this though

[Gridlock]

^^And what do you do in 'Murica when that happens?

Load up them guns Billy! It's high-time we had ourselves a shootin' rampage! News has been slow all week, and we haven't had one since Tuesday last, boy!

Get Wolf Blitzer ready.

[willystyle]

Well judging by his writing, he appears to be a man that holds a high degree of integrity, honor and respect, where his own reputation is above all, including his life. For someone that feels that strongly about their reputation and their beliefs, I am NOT surprised that he's doing this. However, whether this is the correct path that he's taking in resolving the situation is a topic for another day.

Hollywood is definitely gonna make a movie out of this.

[Shorn]

^ whats ironic is that he even mentioned gun control in his manifesto. He's like 'nobody needs assault rifles and suppressors, i bought them way too easily'
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[Ax2-Y]

the more i read the more i had to agree with the guy on a lot of his views regarding gun laws, corruption, and systemic racism.

No matter how this manhunt turns out, I think Hollywood is gonna cash in on this manhunt for Dorner.

I can see movie being made about Dorner and the LAPD. Hmmm, who's gonna be the brother in the starring role of Dorner?

Big black guy, 270 pounds. LL Cool J?

I think everyone's gonna wanna sweep this one under the rug after he called all those people out. Making a movie out of him would glorify his actions and turn him into a cult hero, especially if he kills lots of police officers before he is caught/killed.

This made me laugh...
Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama.
It's kind of sad I won't be around to view and enjoy The Hangover III. What an awesome trilogy. Todd Phillips, don't make anymore Hangovers after the third, takes away the originality of its foundation. World War Z looks good and The Walking Dead season 3 (second half) looked intriguing. Damn, gonna miss shark week.

[EmperorIS]

Sounds like a movie in the making

[StylinRed]

what's odd is that the news stations like CNN aren't speaking of WHY he's on a "rampage" they won't speak of the case at all (this morning anyway) just now they only touched on it by saying "a lot of people have been wronged but they don't go out shooting people for it" still, no mention of the actual case though

found that interesting


anyone have a link to his posting? i read some excerpts out of The Province but haven't seen the whole thing

[El Bastardo]

This is going to turn out like the Rampart scandal in the 1990s.
They're going to find a fair bit of corruption but ultimately what is repeatedly called the most corrupt police department in the USA (contending with the NYPD for that title) will continue to be corrupt.

It happened in the the 20s, the 40s and in the 80s and 90s. And its happening today.

While I do believe police forces organizations for good this police force needs a serious review. It seems as if there is a culture of corruption that never leaves the LAPD.


Its made for some great media. Training Day. The Shield. End of Watch. Heat. Southland.
But I'd gladly trade some compelling television to know that there are people out there being treated fairly and protected properly.

[Shorn]

what's odd is that the news stations like CNN aren't speaking of WHY he's on a "rampage" they won't speak of the case at all (this morning anyway) just now they only touched on it by saying "a lot of people have been wronged but they don't go out shooting people for it" still, no mention of the actual case though

found that interesting

anyone have a link to his posting? i read some excerpts out of The Province but haven't seen the whole thing

I linked to it at the end of my post
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[CharlesInCharge]

He writes hes going to kill all officers and the family members of the ones that wronged him until the courts admit they covered up a police brutality case.
Its amazing how this one mans story has gone viral through the internet and has effected the whole nation.

Main stream media is trying to censor his pro government, anti-gun and media views which I wonder if hes faked.

[freakshow]

That was definitely not the writing of a mentally unstable man.

When your only legal appeal in this country, the police and the courts have failed you, what do you propose? When you know that there will be no justice, what other option is there?

It's a narrow, naive, north american view to assume that there will be justice.. I heard a professor say that when you grow up in a non-north american culture, and your parents are murdered, and your sister is raped, provided you don't believe in a judgement day, the only option for you is to take up the sword yourself. North American views on this are just culturally blinded.

So while I might not agree with what he has chosen to do, it makes more sense that he would do it.

[CharlesInCharge]

Culturally influenced like Superman and Batman, taking justice into their own hands.

[Gridlock]

This is going to turn out like the Rampart scandal in the 1990s.
They're going to find a fair bit of corruption but ultimately what is repeatedly called the most corrupt police department in the USA (contending with the NYPD for that title) will continue to be corrupt.

It happened in the the 20s, the 40s and in the 80s and 90s. And its happening today.

While I do believe police forces organizations for good this police force needs a serious review. It seems as if there is a culture of corruption that never leaves the LAPD.


Its made for some great media. Training Day. The Shield. End of Watch. Heat. Southland.
But I'd gladly trade some compelling television to know that there are people out there being treated fairly and protected properly.

It's scary to think about what life would be like when you can't trust the police to help you. Especially when we come from Canada where...and I say this fully knowing that we've had some police issues of late...I don't think its 'institutional'.

I was reading a few weeks ago about a safe buildings program in New York. What happens is a building owner registers with the police for them to have free access to it, and the police can treat the interior of the building as part of their patrol. If you can't prove that you have reason to be there, ie. id, then you can be arrested for trespassing.

Shockingly, the buildings are all in poorer neighborhoods and have a high ratio of minority residents. None of course, are on the upper east side.

So how can you have a culture of trust when a kids first memories are of the police hassling them outside their own door?

FUCK...America...you just have SO many problems.

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

Appears LAPD want him dead rather than take him to court. He has a lot of info that citizens don't know about the police force, and if that info comes out, shits gonna hit the fan. If you have time, read his manifesto and you'll see his side. Not condoning his actions, but he has a point to all this.
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[Razor Ramon HG]

He will commit suicide before ever being taken in.

[GabAlmighty]

Like a baws

[adambomb]

:Popcorn Just read the manifesto. I'm interested is finding out the information he called journalists to look for against the LAPD.

[snails]

:Popcorn Just read the manifesto. I'm interested is finding out the information he called journalists to look for against the LAPD.

just finished reading it, it was actually a pretty good read, like i said earlier, when you back someone into a corner, no telling what they will do, especially when it seems the world is against him. unfortunate how this has all unfolded for sure

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

he will draw it out. make them live in fear and paranoia, until one of them breaks and admits.

lol or the cops might kill off their own if they think they're gonna break and blame it on him :)

[GabAlmighty]

just finished reading it, it was actually a pretty good read, like i said earlier, when you back someone into a corner, no telling what they will do, especially when it seems the world is against him. unfortunate how this has all unfolded for sure

I'm almost done reading it. Pretty heavy stuff. Seems he was the epidemy of what everyone would want in a police officer. Too bad the rest of em were too crooked to see beyond their selfish desires.

[FerrariEnzo]

the thing is, the police can get away with shooting these innocent people, only in america...

[bcedhk]

asian ladies delivering newspapers on a Nissan Titan?! I thought they only use small sedans or at most, a caravan....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/2008_Nissan_Titan.jpg/280px-2008_Nissan_Titan.jpg

LAPD's covering something up!

[Spartacus]

Saw this on a forum:

>SO HERE'S THE PLAN

>We should all feed as much disinformation to the LAPD as we can.

>Buy disposable phones
>Use payphones
>Send anonymous e-mail

>Give them as much bullshit as possible so that they have even less to go on, this will buy our man some time.

>Next we DDoS the LAPD servers. Just to stir up a bit more shit and give US some time.

>Last, we spread this mans story. Make him out to be a hero. Eventually the media will propagate it out even more. We make him appear as a true hero and vigilante, and others will believe in him.

>What this does, is not only inspire our man (he makes his dream of clearing his name real) but actually gives him tangible strategic help. LA is a very urban area, if he were in a situation he needed to lay low in, this could open up plenty of potential areas.People would support him, and possibly shelter him.

>But only if this goes as planned.

Ever want to change the world, kids?
Here's your chance.
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[dhari]

I'm hoping the media will dig into finding the truth once this man is killed. I say he will be killed because I assume that once they catch up to him they will shoot him regardless if he has a weapon in his hands or not.

[kcl38]

His thank-yous are pretty good.

"Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes"

[twitchyzero]

mainfesto including the police officers family?

Is that really the root of the problem or you are just trying to make a point?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

mainfesto including the police officers family?

Is that really the root of the problem or you are just trying to make a point?

it's part of the plan obviously.

if you were a corrupt cop, so what... but if your family is being targeted, you'll likely to give up way more easily or act irrationally.

guilty by association.

if your dad was a gangster and you got shot, no one would care.
"you shouldn't of been associated with your dad/gangsters"

now just replace the word gangster with corrupt cop.

[Ducdesmo]

So the LAPD shot up a blue Tundra with 2 Asian women and a black Honda Ridgeline....all while looking for a Nissan Titan...I can see where he is coming from!
I think at this point the civilians should be more afraid of the po-lice!

[CharlesInCharge]

Saw this on a forum:

>SO HERE'S THE PLAN

>We should all feed as much disinformation to the LAPD as we can.

>Buy disposable phones
>Use payphones
>Send anonymous e-mail

>Give them as much bullshit as possible so that they have even less to go on, this will buy our man some time.

>Next we DDoS the LAPD servers. Just to stir up a bit more shit and give US some time.

>Last, we spread this mans story. Make him out to be a hero. Eventually the media will propagate it out even more. We make him appear as a true hero and vigilante, and others will believe in him.

>What this does, is not only inspire our man (he makes his dream of clearing his name real) but actually gives him tangible strategic help. LA is a very urban area, if he were in a situation he needed to lay low in, this could open up plenty of potential areas.People would support him, and possibly shelter him.

>But only if this goes as planned.

Ever want to change the world, kids?
Here's your chance.
Posted via RS MobileThrow up a shiny Toyota Yaris as reward for information on his whereabouts and we'll see where this guys loyalties lie.

I wonder to what extent Chris can change his appearance seeing hes America's most wanted.

[iEatClams]

So the LAPD shot up a blue Tundra with 2 Asian women and a black Honda Ridgeline....all while looking for a Nissan Titan...I can see where he is coming from!
I think at this point the civilians should be more afraid of the po-lice!

Honestly, these cops should be fired, how do you just shoot at a car without seeing whose inside it.

especially the honda ridgeline? How on earth do you mistaken and shoot up asian ladies. and these are the people that are suppose to SERVE and PROTECT?

Glad that guy wasn't driving a more common car like a honda civic.

[GabAlmighty]

Currently, he's winning.

[StylinRed]

wow finally Anderson Cooper is talking about the reason why the guy is going on this spree, apparently Dorner sent some evidence to Cooper

[GabAlmighty]

It seems, and I guarantee in the coming days, that this is going to get way less coverage than the past shootings they've had.

[Mr.Money]

Wait until there's a Copy Cat of this Guy....This guy is getting too much fame on Twitter & Fox News when they glorify this type of news....

I'm not taking any sides...I think this Ex-LAPD is a carbon copy of this Guy.
Law Abiding Citizen: Questioning Scene - YouTube

Currently, he's winning.

that depends in the USA,people Asking to help & support this guy is pretty stupid IMO.
the amount of Fire Power possible he has may out do the Police if criminals decide Help him..for their own Vigilante justice if they Already believe what he has to say as truth..

[El Bastardo]

I think we can all agree there's a wink-wink/nudge-nudge kill, not apprehend order for this guy.

That being said, what will happen if hes able to outlast the attention and complete his mission?

[AW607]

I'm not taking any sides...I think this Ex-LAPD is a carbon copy of this Guy.
Law Abiding Citizen: Questioning Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uR5PyoLa3o)


That was exactly what I was thinking haha, damn

This is strangely exciting yet unsettling at the same time :pokerface:

[Mr.Money]

I think we can all agree there's a wink-wink/nudge-nudge kill, not apprehend order for this guy.

That being said, what will happen if hes able to outlast the attention and complete his mission?

Who knows...But when Police Start acting Like their own Mafia & "Kill on Sight" then hit Innocent by-standers like the 2 Asian Women,it's a bloody stain on their hands they can't wash off...whoever responsible for that should be exposed & explain themselves to the public then fired for misconduct.

Really?...it's possible for mistaken identity of Two Petite Asians delivering News papers for a black Large Male then fire upon them without being 100% sure it was Chris Dorner :bullshit: you always have your nice cop with a smile then The Prick cop who's angry for no apparent reason besides being a fuckhead with his Power trip...That's them who did this.


My guess is some National Rifle Association Nut might do his own Hit on Chris Dorner if they catch him Red Handed and "Try" be called a "hero" for his actions All while supporting his right to "Bare firearms" for America's safety.

but this Chris guy who wrote out his note crying for attention is 50/50 for committing suicide it sounds like,but then again,he contacted News Station directly Boosting how he was in "training" & saying "You Can't Break me" to former drill instructors from the past.Sure sounds awfully brave looking to take another Life if he already killed before,whats the difference's?...he did already & will again if he feels "pressured" again....fucking maniac

[CharlesInCharge]

These named police families would basically have to go expel themselves to stay safe from Chris. That is the goal lines of the game.

I wonder if these truck shootings are to scare Chris from going on a rampage... he sounds sane and would still want life preservation.

Judging right or wrong, despite the need to fix the world, I have to look at elders sayings like Islam that says no innocent person should die. Period.

Chris might think hes a super hero but hes causing terror. Before more killings happen there should be an online Facebook petition for him to at-least leave the families alone. If the news catches wind of it, Chris will see it.

[Yodamaster]

he sounds sane and would still want life preservation.



Page five, top of the page.


I'm reading the words of a murderer, but the allegations of gross misconduct within the force are equally disturbing.

He seems like a well spoken fellow, but he obviously cannot grasp the fact that his life isn't over because of a lost job. He's needlessly critical, unfortunately that cannot be helped now, the rest of his life will be critical from now on because of his incapability to calm the fuck down.

[Lomac]

These named police families would basically have to go expel themselves to stay safe from Chris. That is the goal lines of the game.

I wonder if these truck shootings are to scare Chris from going on a rampage... he sounds sane and would still want life preservation.

Judging right or wrong, despite the need to fix the world, I have to look at elders sayings like Islam that says no innocent person should die. Period.

Chris might think hes a super hero but hes causing terror. Before more killings happen there should be an online Facebook petition for him to at-least leave the families alone. If the news catches wind of it, Chris will see it.

For once I agree with you.

:fulloffuck:

I have no doubt that if the LAPD catch him, he'll end up getting shot dead. The only way he'd be able to come out of this alive is to surrender to the FBI or some other agency.

[yameen]

and like in the movies, there's a spy in the fbi that's working for an lapd officer where once he turns himself in, he's dead. and the government/fbi will cover it up and we'll never see him again. this is like prison break

[twitchyzero]

it's part of the plan obviously.

if you were a corrupt cop, so what... but if your family is being targeted, you'll likely to give up way more easily or act irrationally.

guilty by association.


except he already killed a cop's daughter and her finacee

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

except he already killed a cop's daughter and her finacee

that's the point...

empty threats don't get you anywhere. people will call your bluff. now there's deep fear in all the other families.

[dee242]

this guy = next osama bin laden execept he is actually doing the right thing .... history repeats it self i doubt the lapd is going to catch this guy

[dee242]

sorry couldnt find the spoiler button

Christopher Dorner's Manifesto, In Full [Content Graphic and Disturbing] [UPDATED]: LAist (http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php)
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
Name;
A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.
Name Synonyms;
reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.
A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It’s your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you’ve worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don’t let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.
In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. -----/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (-----), ----- kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. -----), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”. Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting ----- for kicking Mr. -----. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that ----- had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where ----- stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer ----- (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to ----- stating he was kicked, his father -----, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. -----, Capt. -----, and City Attorney ----- had a significant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. ----- was a personal friend of ----- from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. -----. ----- also had a conflict of interest as she was ----- friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to ----- and it was denied.
During the BOR, the department attempted to label me unsuccessfully as a bully. They stated that I had bullied a recruit, -----, in the academy when in reality and unfounded disposition from the official 1.28 formal complaint investigation found that I was the one who stood up for ----- when other recruits sang nazi hitler youth songs about burning Jewish ghettos in WWII Germany where his father was a survivor of a concentration camp. How fucking dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word. I ask that all earnest journalist investigating this story ask Ofcr. ----- about the incident when Ofcr. ----- began singing a nazi youth song about burning jewish ghettos.
The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving ----- was spurned by a complaint that I had initiated toward two fellow recruit/offifcers. While assigned patrol footbeat in Hollywood Division, Officers ----- and ----- (both current LAPD officers) decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community. While traveling back to the station in a 12 passenger van I heard ----- refer to another individual as a nigger. I wasn’t sure if I heard correctly as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least 8 officers and he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front. Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer ----- call an indivdual a nigger again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told ----- not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well-known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer -----, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around -----’ neck and squeezed. I stated to -----, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer -----’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately. The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective ----- from internal affairs investigated this incident only (1) officer (unknown) in the van other than myself had statements constistent with what actually happened. The other six officers all stated they heard nothing and saw nothing. Shame on every one of you. Shame on Detective ----- (same ethnicity as -----) for creating a separate 1.28 formal complaint against me (----- complaint) in retaliation for initiating the complaint against ----- and -----. Don’t retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so-called blue line. I hope your son -----, who I knew, is a better officer than you, Detective -----. The saddest part of this ordeal was that Officer ----- and ----- were only given 22 day suspensions and are still LAPD officers to this day. That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers niggers to their face and you will receive a slap on the wrist. Even sadder is that during that 22 day suspension ----- and ----- received is that the LAPPL (Los Angeles Police Protective League) paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended. When I took a two-day suspension for an accidental discharge, I took my suspension and never applied for a league salary. Its called integrity.
Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist. It’s not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a nigger or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, ----- if I can recall, called me a nigger on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted ----- for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking ----- in response to him calling me a nigger. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I’m not a fucking Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a nigger. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as an equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a Caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don’t ever call me a fucking bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.
Cerritos, CA.
Pico Rivera, CA.
La Palma, CA.
Thousand Oaks, CA.
Cedar City, UT.
Pensacola, FL.
Enid, OK.
Yorba Linda, CA.
Las Vegas, NV.
During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. -----, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. ----- stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that’s old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! -----, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr.-----. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where -----’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what ----- did when she stated she did not kick -----.
What they failed to mention in the BOR was ----- own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70’s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. ----- was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with -----, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, -----, and herself. ----- is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not -----, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. -----, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when ----- asked you if you kicked -----. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to -----.
I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. ----- who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that ----- kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. ----- a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer ----- stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved” with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. -----,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. -----, and Sgt. -----. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. ----- and Sgt. ----- can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.
I had worked patrol at LAPD’s Harbor Division from 2/06 until 7/06 when I was involuntarily recalled back to active duty (US Navy) for a 12 month mobilization/deployment to Centcom in support of OIF/OEF. I returned back to LAPD’s Harbor division on 7/07 and immediately returned to patrol. I worked at Harbor division until 11/07 where I then transferred to Southwest Division. I worked At Southwest division until 6/25/08 when I was relieved of duty.
I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! -----, -----, -----,----- and ----- all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. -----. I know about the meeting between all of you where ----- attorney, -----, confessed that she kicked ----- (excessive force). Your day has come.
I’m not an aspiring rapper, I’m not a gang member, I’m not a dope dealer, I don’t have multiple babies momma’s. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA.
Luckily I don’t have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don’t have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for. You fuckers knew ----- was guilty of kicking (excessive force) ----- and you did nothing but get rid of what you saw as the problem, the whistleblower. ----- himself stated on video tape ( provided for the BOR and in transcripts) he was kicked and even his father stated that his son said he was kicked by ----- when he was released from custody. The video was played for the entire BOR to hear. You’re going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!
Look what you did to Sgt. ----- (now lieutenant) when he exposed the truth of your lying, racism, and PSB cover-ups to frame and convict an innocent man. You can not police yourselves and the consent decree was unsuccessful. Sgt. -----, I met you on the range several times as a recruit and as an officer. You’re a good man and I saw it in your eyes an actions.
Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.
From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How ironic that you utilize a fixed glass structure as your command HQ. You use as a luminous building to symbolize that you are transparent, have nothing to hide, or suppress when in essence, concealing, omitting, and obscuring is your forte.
-----, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. ----- and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, -----, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. -----. I’ll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.
Why didn’t you charge me with filing a false police report when I came forward stating that ----- kicked Mr. -----? You file criminal charges against every other officer who is accused and terminated for filing a false police report. You didn’t because you knew I was innocent and a criminal court would find me innocent and expose your department for suppressing the truth and retaliation, that’s why.
The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR’s on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.
This department has not changed from the ----- and ----- days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain ----- is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware ----- has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. ----- in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).
No one is saying you can’t be prejudiced or a bigot. We are all human and hold prejudices. If you state that you don’t have prejudices, your lying! But, when you act on it and victimize innocent citizens and fellow innocen officers, than that is a concern.
For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and ----- and ask them, how come you couldn’t tell the truth? Why did you terminate an honest officer and cover for a dishonest officer who victimized a mentally ill citizen.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant race of a species and they inadvertently take kindness for weakness from another individual. You chose wrong.
Terminating officers because they expose a culture of lying, racism (from the academy), and excessive use of force will immediately change. PSB can not police their own and that has been proven. The blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implanted. You have awoken a sleeping giant.
I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.
Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.
Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2’s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.
Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.
Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, “that’s the paramedics job…not mine”. Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.
It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence. You know what they say when they realize an innocent man just had his life turned upside down?. “I guess he should have stayed at home that day he was discovered walking down the street and matching the suspects description. Oh well, he appeared to be a dirtbag anyways”. Meanwhile the falsely accused is left to pick up his life, get a new, family, friends, and sense of self worth.
Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate.
You allow an officer, -----, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. ----- shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge’s face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. ----- provided the evidence and you still do nothing.
How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and training”.
No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I’ve ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and a substantial vetting in a backround investigation.
To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.
Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children’s schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. -----, -----, -----, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.
Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(-----). He doesn’t work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client. Even when he knowingly knows your innocent and the BOR also knows your innocent after ----- stated on videotape that he was kicked and ----- attorney confessed to the BOR off the record that she kicked -----.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.
I know your TTP’s, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP’s and PPR’s. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.
I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small-scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.
Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.
Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It’s not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don’t fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP’s. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.
Whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it. Whatever contingency plan you have, shelve it. Whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button. JRIC, DOJ, LASD, FBI and other local LE can't assist and should not involve themselves in a matter that does not concern them. For all other agencies, do not involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me. Look at the big picture of the situation. They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. With today's budgeting and fiscal mess, you guys can not afford lose several officers to IOD or KIA/EOW. Plus, other officers should not have to take on the additional duties and responsibilities of dead officers. Think about their families, outside agencies, Chiefs/Directors.
Outside agencies and individual officers on patrol. If you recognize my vehicle, and confirm it is my vehicle thru a dmv/want warrant check. It behoves you to respond to dispatch that your query was for information purposes only. If you proceed with a traffic stop or attempt to notify other officers of my location or for backup you will not live to see the medal of valor you were hoping to receive for your actions. Think before you attempt to intervene. You will not survive. Your family will receive that medal of valor posthumously. It will gather dust on the fireplace mantel for years. Then one day, it will go in a shoe box with other memories. Your mother will lose a son or daughter. Your significant other will be left alone, but they will find someone else to fill your void in the future and make them just as happy. Your children, if you have them, will call someone else mommy or daddy. Don't be selfish. Your vest is only a level II or IIIA, think about it.
No amount of IMINT, MASINT, and ELINT assist you in capturing me. I am off the grid. You better use your feet, tongue and every available DOD/ NON-DOD HUMINT agency, contractor to find me. I know your route to and from home, and your division. I know your significant others routine, your children's best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha's gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high. Because of that, no one will remember your name. You will merely be a DR# and "that guy" who was KIA/EOW or long term IOD/light duty in the kit room. This is exactly why "station 500″ was created. Unfortunately, orphanages will be making a comeback in the 21st century.
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty.
If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don't give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That's bullshit because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn't even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to "add to cart". All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL's. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR's, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I'm not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!
Mia Farrow said it best. "Gun control is no longer debatable, it's not a conversation, its a moral mandate."
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become cliche' and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent, Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield, Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre.
You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion. Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, fuck you. I didn't vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn't win the primary candidacy for his party. Mr. President, I haven't agreed with all of your decisions but of course I haven't agreed with all of your predecessors decisions. I think you've done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. I shed a tear the night you were initially elected President in 2008. I never thought that day would occur. A black man elected president in the U.S. in my lifetime. I cracked a smiled when you were re-elected in 2012 because I really didn't think you were going to pull that one off. Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could've exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now. Mr. President, get back to work. Many want to see you fail as they have stated so many times previously. Unfortunately, if you fail, the U.S. fails but your opponents do not concern themselves about the big picture. Do not forget your commitment to transparency in your administration. Sometimes I believe your administration forgets that. America, you will realize today and tomorrow that this world is made up of all human beings who have the same general needs and wants in life for themselves, their kin, community, and state. That is the freedom to LIVE and LOVE. They may eat different foods, enjoy different music, have different dialects, or speak a second language, but in essence are no different from you and I. This is America. We are not a perfect sovereign country as we have our own flaws but we are the closest that will ever exist.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time an authoritative figure has lied on me.
-----, assistant principal, Cypress HS. Remember when you lied to my mother and the police officer in your office about stating that you never stated to me in a private conversation that you know the theft suspect (-----) stole my watch. Let me refresh your memory. A physical education teachers assistant, a student, stole the list of combination codes to peoples lockers, from the P.E. teacher. That student then opened many of those lockers and stole students personal property. My watch was taken in that multi theft an I reported it to you. A week later you discovered that the theft suspect was -----, a student. You stated to me in private that you know for a fact he stole my property. When I attempted to retrieve my property from the suspect. Campus security was called and you lied and stated that you never stated to me that you "know he stole my watch". You sat there and lied to their faces right in front of me. You said it with such a deliberate, stern face. I never forgot that and was not surprised when 13 years later I was lied on again in the BOR by -----. maybe you can confess to your family at the very least in the private of your own home. After that, contact my mother and apologize for lying to her in 1996.
If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual's brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I've had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.
Sure, many of you "law enforcement experts and specialist" will state, "in all my years this is the worst........", Stop!!! That's not important. Ask yourselves what would cause somebody to take these drastic measures like I did. That's what is important.
To my friends listed below, I wish we could have grown old together and spent more time together. When you reminisce of our friendship and experiences, think of that and that only. Do not dwell on my recent actions the last few days. This was a necessary evil that had to be executed in order for me to obtain my NAME back. The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death.
-----, greatest friend, Marine officer, aviator, and an even better father and husband. I Couldn't have had a better big brother than you. Your spoken wisdom was always retained by me, you old salty Mustang. You sternly told me that no matter what I accomplish I will always be a ni#%er in many individuals eyes. At the time, I did not comprehend your words. I do now. I never forgot the quote you state below. I love you bro.
I never saw a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever feeling sorry for itself. -D.H. Lawrence
It's kind of sad I won't be around to view and enjoy The Hangover III. What an awesome trilogy.
-----, greatest friend, Naval officer, aviator, Great Father, husband, doctor, and even better human being. I always strived to live my life parallel to your similar values and personal disciplines. ----- is lucky to have found a man like yourself, and you are fortunate to have married an irrefutable imperfect woman. Always focus on your IMMEDIATE family as they are the ones who have loved you unconditionally and always been their to support you in difficult times. I always lived my life as WW-----D (what would ----- do). -----, take care of this guy. -----, I'm sorry I missed your wedding and you had to find another best man. I'm sorry my predicament with the department stopped me from watching you and ----- get married and arguing with you about issues that were insignificant when I was really angry at the LAPD for what they did to me. I'm deeply sorry and I love you guys.
-----, great friend, attorney, father, husband, and the most cynical/blatant/politically incorrect friend a man can have. Best quality about you in college and now is that you never sugar coated the truth. I will miss our political discussions that always turned argumentative. Thanks for introducing me to outdoor sports like fishing, hunting, mudding, and also respect for the land and resources. Us city boys don't get out much like you Alaskans. You even introduced me to PBR. A beer, that when you're a poor college student is completely acceptable to get buzzed off of. I'm sorry I'll never get to go on that moose and bear hunt with you. I love you bro.
-----, greatest friend, accountant, entrepreneur, and even better Human being. You are probably the most well balanced person I've ever met and the most driven for success. In college, and after graduation, I was inspired by your personal drive. Never settle. When you make your first million, promise me you won't forget to enjoy it a bit. I know your first reaction will be to invest it somewhere else. Spend a little, just a little. I love you bro.
-----, great friend, entrepeneur, husband and father. You showed me the importance of fatherhood and friendship. Love you bro.
-----.
You guys were all important and very special to me. Don't be angry with me. I missed some of your weddings and unfortunately, some of your funerals. This was a necessary evil.
Gov. Chris Christie. What can I say? You're the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary.
Some say it is my fault that I was terminated. Yes, -----, I remember you stating this to me in an angry fit. You said that I should have kept my mouth shut about another officer's misconduct. Maybe you were right. But I'm not built like others, it's not in my DNA and my history has always shown that. When you view the video of the suspect stating he was kicked by -----, maybe you will see that I was a decent person after all. I told the truth. It still hurt that you abandoned me in my time of need. I hope you're happy, that's all I ever wanted for you.
Sgt. -----, you meant well but you should have known with your time on the job that the department would attempt to protect someone like ----- because of her time on the job, personal friendships, and ethicity. I'm not angry with you, but you should have known as an IA investigator.
Sgt ----- LPPD, Ofcr ----- LPPD (ret), and Chief ----- LPPD, your guidance and mentoring as a young police explorer was second to none and invaluable as a young man, police officer, and naval officer. Sgt -----, you forewarned me long ago about joining LAPD as they were "different" and operated differently from other modern law enforcement agencies. I now know it was your humbleness and respect for all who wear the badge and protect their communities that you didn't just express what you wanted to say, that they lack values and basic ethics as law enforcement officers. Chief -----, your fucking awesome. Thanks for the long talks over the years when I was an explorer, college student, Naval officer, and Police officer. Your are a great leader and carry your heart on your sleeve. Your son will be a great Air Force officer with the upringing you provided. -----, what can I say? Your just an awesome person and my first exposure to what law enforcement was really about was on our ride alongs. Your realistic approach and empathetic approach to treating all people as humans first is something I carried with me daily. Thank you, every one of you.
Dr. -----, thank you for the superb surgery you performed on my knee on 7/98 in Irvine, CA. I never had the opportunity to thank you for allowing me to live a life free of knee joint pain. Thank you.
CM1 ----- (Ret.), I learned more from you about leadership than most of my own commanders. You lived by a strict ethos of get it done, and get it done right. I wanted to attend your retirement, I really did. But because of my predicament I was unable to. Hope you and Ritchie are still together. I've always held you in high regard.
Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you're a vile and inhumane piece of shit.
Sgt Maj. ----- USMC, Thank you for the intense instruction and mentorship and time spent forging me into a never quit officer. You were challenging as a DI. You made sure the vicious and intense personality I possess was discovered. On a lighter note....Don't feel humbled you never broke me. I made it a personal goal to never give up years before. The Corp is lucky to have you at the front. Your leadership is essential and needed for all marines, especially staff NCO's and mentorship and advisement to company grade officers. You are the epitome of a US marine and never forget that.
I thank my friends for the awesome shared experiences. I thank the unnamed women I dated over my lifetime for the great and sometimes not so great sex.
It's kind of sad I won't be around to view and enjoy The Hangover III. What an awesome trilogy. Todd Phillips, don't make anymore Hangovers after the third, takes away the originality of its foundation. World War Z looks good and The Walking Dead season 3 (second half) looked intriguing. Damn, gonna miss shark week.
Mr. Vice President, do your due diligence when formulating a concise and permanent national AWB plan. Future generations of Americans depend on your plan and advisement to the president. I've always been a fan of yours and consider you one of the few genuine and charismatic politicians. Damn, sounds like an oxymoron calling you an honest politician. It's the truth.
Hillary Clinton. You'll make one hell of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He's (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President. Chelsea grew up to be one hell of an attractive woman. No disrespect to her husband.
Gov. Chris Christie. What can I say? You're the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary. You're America's no shit taking uncle. Do one thing for your wife, kids, and supporters. Start walking at night and eat a little less, not a lot less, just a little. We want to see you around for a long time. Your leadership is greatly needed.
Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you're a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. You deflected any type of blame/responsibility and directed it toward the influence of movies and the media. You are a failure of a human being. May all of your immediate and distant family die horrific deaths in front of you.
Willie Geist, you're a talented and charismatic journalist.
Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings. Cooper, stop nagging and berating your guest, they're your (guest). Mr. Scarborough, we met at McGuire's pub in P-cola in 2002 when I was stationed there. It was an honor conversing with you about politics, family, and life.
Willie Geist, you're a talented and charismatic journalist. Stop with all the talk show shenanigans and get back to your core of reporting. Your future is brighter than most.
Revoke the citizenship of Fareed Zakaria and deport him. I've never heard a positive word about America or its interest from his mouth, ever. On the same day, give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws but you must understand that your critics will always have in the back of their mind that you are native to a country that we won our sovereignty from while using firearms as a last resort in defense and you come from a country that has no legal private ownership of firearms. That is disheartening to American gun owners and rightfully so.
The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite). I hope your health improves greatly. You are the epitome of an American and service to country.
General Petraeus, you made a mistake that the majority of men make once, twice, or unfortunately many times in a lifetime. You are human. You thought with your penis. It's okay.I personally believe you should have never resigned and told your critics to shove it. You only answer to two people regarding the affair, your wife and children, period. I hope you return to government service to your country as it is visibly in your DNA.
General Colin Powell, your book "My American Journey" solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.
To all SEA's (senior enlisted advisers), you are just as important if not a greater viability to large and small commands. It's time you take a more active role in leading your enlisted and advising officers. These are not your twilight years or time to relax. You can either strengthen the tip of the spear, or make it brittle. You decide.
Pat Harvey, I've always thought you carried yourself professionally and personally the way a strong black woman should. Your articulation and speech is second to none. You are the epitome of a journalist/anchor. You are America.
Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game.
Ellen Degeneres, continue your excellent contribution to entertaining America and bringing the human factor to entertainment. You changed the perception of your gay community and how we as Americans view the LGBT community. I congratulate you on your success and opening my eyes as a young adult, and my generation to the fact that you are know different from us other than who you choose to love. Oh, and you Prop 8 supporters, why the fuck do you care who your neighbor marries. Hypocritical pieces of shit.
Westboro Baptist Church, may you all burn slowly in a fire, not from smoke inhalation, but from the flames and only the flames.
Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be "Tebowing" when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.
Christopher Walz, you impressed me in Inglorious Basterds. After viewing Django Unchained, I was sold. I have come to the conclusion that you are well on your way to becoming one of the greats if not already and show glimpses of Daniel Day Lewis and Morgan Freeman-esque type qualities of greatness. Trust me when I say that you will be one of the greatest ever.
Jennifer Beals, Serena Williams, Grae Drake, Lisa Nicole-Carson, Diana Taurasi, N'bushe Wright, Brenda Villa, Kate Winslet, Ashley Graham, Erika Christensen, Gabrielle Union, Isabella Soprano, Zain Verjee, Tamron Hall, Gina Carano, America Ferrara, Giana Michaels, Nene, Natalie Portman, Queen Latifah, Michelle Rodriguez, Anjelah Johnson, Kelly Clarkson, Nora Jones, Laura Prepon, Margaret Cho, and Rutina Wesley, you are THE MOST beautiful women on this planet, period. Never settle, professionally or personally.
Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" is the greatest piece of music ever, period. Hanz Zimmer, William Bell, Eric Clapton, BB King, Bob Marley, Sam Cooke, Metallica, Rob Zombie, Nora Jones, Marvin Gaye, Jay-Z, and the King (Louis Armstrong) are musical prodigies.
Jeffrey Toobin and David Gergen, you are political geniuses and modern scholars. Hopefully Toobin is nominated for the Supreme Court and implements some damn common sense and reasoning instead of partisan bickering. But in true Toobin fashion, we all know he would not accept the nomination.
Jeffrey Toobin and David Gergen, you are political geniuses and modern scholars.
John and Ken from KFI, never mute your facts and personal opinions. You are one of the few media personalities who speak the truth, even when the truth is not popular. I will miss listening to your discussions.
Bill Handel, your effin awesome. For years I enjoyed your show.
Anthony Bourdain, you're a modern renaissance man who epitomizes the saying "too cool for school".
Larry David, Kevin Hart, the late Patrice Oneal, Lisa Lampanelli, Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld, Louis CK, Dave Chapelle, Jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Dennis Miller, and Jeff Ross are pure geniuses. I'm a big fan of all of your work. As a child my mom caught me watching Def Jam comedy at midnight when I should have been asleep. Instead of scolding me, the next night she let me stay up late and watch George Carlin, Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor comedy specials with her for hours. My sides were sore for days.
Larry David, I agree. 72-82 degrees is way to hot in a residence. 68 degrees is perfect.
Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes.
Cardinal Mahoney, you are in essence a predator yourself as you enabled your subordinates to molest multiple children in the church over many decades. May you die a long and slow painful death.
If you continuously followed me while I was walking at dusk/night I would confront you as well. Too bad Trayvon didn't smash your skull completely open, Zim. While Trayvon's body erodes to bones 6 feet under, Zimmerman has put on no less than 40 pounds while out on bail. Zimmerman was arrested for battery on a Peace officer and avoided jail/prison because he completed a diversion program. Thats a history of being an asshole. Zimmerman couldn't get hired by a LE agency because of poor credit/and a history of violence/restraining orders with women. So what does he do? Designate himself, neighborhood watch captain and make complaints to his city council about the horrible work ethic and laziness of the officers patrolling his neighborhood. Good one Zim. How classy that your father attempts to use his veterans status "disabled veteran" during your bail hearing but doesn't state what his disability percentage is. Prior service personnel know it can be 5% disability to 100%. You and your attorneys always avoid mentioning your fathers occupation as a magistrate/judge because I'm sure he's utilized his position to get you out of way more jams then the public has discovered and that your family is not indigent. Oh, tell your wife to stop perjuring herself in court.
KCCO
Anonymous, you are hated, vilified, and considered an enemy to the state. I personally view you as a culture and a necessity that brings truth to a cloaked world. Forge ahead!
Charlie Sheen, you're effin awesome.
My opinion on women in combat MOS', Designators, Rates, and AFSC's. I wish all of you who attempt to pursue combat occupational roles the greatest success in completing, graduating, and qualifying in their respective schools/courses. Many want to see you fail. Remember, everyone of you is a pioneer. There was a time when they didn't allow blacks to fight the good fight. This is your civil rights. Don't quit!!!
Charlie Sheen, you're effin awesome.
It's time to allow gay service member's spouses to utilize the same benefits that all heterosexual dependents are eligible for. Medical, Dental, Tricare, Deers, SGLI, BX, Commissary, Milstar, MWR, etc. Flag officers, lets be honest. You can't really give a valid argument to as why gays shouldn't be eligible as every month a new state enacts laws that allow same sex marriage.
LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.
Mr. Bill Cosby, you are a reasonable and talented man who has spoken the truth of the cultural anomalies within the black communities that need to change now. The black communities' resentment toward you is because they don't like hearing the truth or having their clear and evident dirty laundry aired to the nation. The problem is, the country is not blind nor dumb. They believe we are animals. Do not mute your unvarnished truthful speech or moral compass. Blacks must strive for more in life than bling, hoes, and cars. The current culture is an epidemic that leaves them with no discernible future. They're suffocating and don't even know it. MLK Jr. Would be mortified at what he worked so hard for in our acceptance as equal beings and how unfortunately we stopped progressing and began digressing. Chicago's youth violence is a prime example of how our black communities values have declined. We can not address this nation's intolerant issues until we address our own communities morality issues first. Accountability. We need to hold ou

Edit: Spoilered it for you - Lomac

[mr_chin]

Wow that is long. Read half way and stopped.

I find it stupid how he is giving details of his attacks and the sources he'll be using to track his targets.

[iEatClams]

The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.

The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist.

The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming.

The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is

yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"

[bing]

In 2002, Christopher Dorner and a military colleague found $8000 of Church money that was left in the middle of the road and turned it in to police, saying it was an "integrity thing".

Christopher Dorner: Ex-cop once found $8,000 of church money in the middle of the road and handed it in to police | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276375/Christopher-Dorner-Ex-cop-8-000-church-money-middle-road-handed-police.html#axzz2KTIKYXt9)

[knight604]

This shit is something out of a movie.. surreal.

[Shorn]

they still haven't found him yet.. i'm impressed

my guess is about a week before he either kills himself when he gets cornered or gets shot.

but who knows he might end up a legend and never be found again

[mr_chin]

they still haven't found him yet.. i'm impressed

my guess is about a week before he either kills himself when he gets cornered or gets shot.

but who knows he might end up a legend and never be found again

dude, this guy is military. bet he's gonna hide it for like a year and then go on some crazy massacre and bombing.

if i was him, i wouldn't show my face when the heat is high.

[Mr.Money]

In 2002, Christopher Dorner and a military colleague found $8000 of Church money that was left in the middle of the road and turned it in to police, saying it was an "integrity thing".

Christopher Dorner: Ex-cop once found $8,000 of church money in the middle of the road and handed it in to police | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276375/Christopher-Dorner-Ex-cop-8-000-church-money-middle-road-handed-police.html#axzz2KTIKYXt9)

It Also says 25 minutes after the First shooting,2 other men were also harmed and "mistakenly" shot by police officers with innocent people being Hit a second time.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/08/article-2275658-176B0E40000005DC-125_640x427.jpg
:suspicious:I can only Imagination what the Family has to say to Police after they did this,unless they win a 2 million dollar lawsuit,i would be grinding my teeth so god damn hard.
No wonder why a few people bought up the fact to try help Christopher Dorner.

[Gnomes]

I really hope the feds (or some non-corrupt agency) will do some extensive inquiry of LAPD corruption claimed by Dormer

[jimmyrustler]

chris dorner im real happy for you and im gonna let you finish but rcmp is one of the most corrupt agencies of all time

[CharlesInCharge]

Ex-CIA man; Chris was no flake... real threat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqueU7G17AU


edit-I didnt think it was worthy of an embed, but thanks mod.

[slowboi]

chris dorner im real happy for you and im gonna let you finish but rcmp is one of the most corrupt agencies of all time

:failed:

[dangonay]

Guys a POS plain and simple.

I'm surprised how many people are supporting him. They hate one group so much (LAPD and police in general) that they completely overlook innocent people were killed. Who in their right mind thinks it's OK to murder someone in order to tell your story? Seriously? There have been numerous whistleblowers in history who have brought about change without having to go killing people to get attention.
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[shawnly1000]

"Los Angeles authorities on Sunday offered a $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Christopher Dorner, the former police officer suspected in three killings.
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa announced the reward, raised through several private and public donors, at a news conference at LAPD headquarters."

Authorities announce $1 million reward for Dorner - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-announce-1-million-reward-dorner-212940450.html)

[StylinRed]

Guys a POS plain and simple.

I'm surprised how many people are supporting him. They hate one group so much (LAPD and police in general) that they completely overlook innocent people were killed. Who in their right mind thinks it's OK to murder someone in order to tell your story? Seriously? There have been numerous whistleblowers in history who have brought about change without having to go killing people to get attention.
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anyone who agrees with war/terrorism i suppose

i agree it's fucked up

[mr_chin]

Guys a POS plain and simple.

I'm surprised how many people are supporting him. They hate one group so much (LAPD and police in general) that they completely overlook innocent people were killed. Who in their right mind thinks it's OK to murder someone in order to tell your story? Seriously? There have been numerous whistleblowers in history who have brought about change without having to go killing people to get attention.
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anyone who agrees with war/terrorism i suppose

i agree it's fucked up

From a calm perspective, yes it's fucked up.

But in his perspective, it's the only way to prove his innocence.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the married couple he killed is involved in his case, which stood against him in the BOR hearing.

I think if I was put in the same position, where I got framed and lost everything I ever worked for and dreamed for, and I possess military combat and strategic mind, I would do the same.

A man doesn't simply go on a rampage and kill people for nothing, especially not with his history background and credentials.

[StylinRed]

the couple, afaik, isn't directly tied to his case i think there are only familial ties with a former police captain who represented him

[CharlesInCharge]

This one man could threaten the police immunity code... how fragile our societies are when information can pass unfiltered and be widespread.

[Anjew]

the LAPD are setting up a $1 million bounty for this guy...... if you watch the news conference the guy implied that people can go ahead and kill Dorner.

they need to hand this over to the feds.. and let them do all the investigation.

[CharlesInCharge]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51142133/turbine/la-ol-lapd-rampage-gun-control-20120207-001/580/580x423

Details of the shootings
Manhunt for former LA Police Officer - Page 134 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2131498/pg134#36042379)

[trix4kids]

Am I the only one who thinks that all the friends he gave a shout out to will have unnecessary disturbance in their lives and heat on them?

[rsx]

Wouldn't this be considered terrorism? Homeland security should be taking over.

/reminds of southpark's snuke episode.

[vafanculo]

Lol @ people calling him Rambro
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[tarobbt]

From a calm perspective, yes it's fucked up.

But in his perspective, it's the only way to prove his innocence.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the married couple he killed is involved in his case, which stood against him in the BOR hearing.

I think if I was put in the same position, where I got framed and lost everything I ever worked for and dreamed for, and I possess military combat and strategic mind, I would do the same.

A man doesn't simply go on a rampage and kill people for nothing, especially not with his history background and credentials.

Exactly, he got fired for 'false allegations' against a fellow officer. His fellow officer was also his commanding officer and she enjoys beating suspects until they bled. Unfortunately his appeal was denied and he was probably marked in the police database which made finding another police career hard. The suspect who was kicked also had physical evidence of injuries from the beating.

He seems like a man with a strong sense of justice and integrity. But it looks like the LAPD loves to cover each others asses just like the RCMP.

Not condoning what he is doing, but in the end it's still justice to the ones who wronged him. It's pretty much Dorner vs LAPD and family. Heck, the LAPD is more of a threat to public safety if they shot 3 innocent people so far :rukidding:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/10/1185993/-Charlie-Sheen-to-Chris-Dorner-Call-Me

[Gnomes]

When a man with such strong sense of morality and justice gets betrayed time and time again by the people who suppose to stand for what he stands for, we get this an intense amount of internal conflict and eventually snapping a good person.

Moral of the story = ??

[murd0c]

When a man with such strong sense of morality and justice gets betrayed time and time again by the people who suppose to stand for what he stands for, we get this an intense amount of internal conflict and eventually snapping a good person.

Moral of the story = ??

everyone has a breaking point and it doesn't matter how good of a person you are.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

i believe this man is doing what others would want to do but can't. Sometimes people snap when shit go bad, in his situation, fired for reporting fellow officer that did assault someone. I'd be hella pissed if i was fired for that.

[mr_chin]

The thing I don't understand is, why didn't the lapd just do the right thing and suspend the girl for excessive force? There was hard evidence that she was guilty. Was it because he's black?

Now the chief or whoever is head of lapd is probably pissed that his department woke a sleeping giant to cover a power tripping bitch who was guilty on the first place.
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[subordinate]

The thing I don't understand is, why didn't the lapd just do the right thing and suspend the girl for excessive force? There was hard evidence that she was guilty. Was it because he's black?

Now the chief or whoever is head of lapd is probably pissed that his department woke a sleeping giant to cover a power tripping bitch who was guilty on the first place.
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No offense, but you need to open your eyes.

Corruption is everywhere. Why do people lie in general? To cover their asses or their friends.

Its unfortunate but many don't walk a straight line.

And other than the parties involved, we're speculating on whose right/wrong
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[Cman333]

Guys a POS plain and simple.

I'm surprised how many people are supporting him. They hate one group so much (LAPD and police in general) that they completely overlook innocent people were killed. Who in their right mind thinks it's OK to murder someone in order to tell your story? Seriously? There have been numerous whistleblowers in history who have brought about change without having to go killing people to get attention.
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I don't think it's about hating the police. It's about hating people who exploit their jobs and fuck others over in the meantime because they have "authority" to do so. Approach may be extreme, and I don't particularly agree with it, but I can only imagine I understand what he's going through. Sometimes, we go to extremes to prove a point.

You think US bombing a city or starting a war is justified? How many innocents are killed as a "necessary evil"? Same shit, different pile. We as people do as we see fit to prove a point.

[bing]

The thing I don't understand is, why didn't the lapd just do the right thing and suspend the girl for excessive force? There was hard evidence that she was guilty. Was it because he's black?

Now the chief or whoever is head of lapd is probably pissed that his department woke a sleeping giant to cover a power tripping bitch who was guilty on the first place.
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He argues in the manifesto that the BOR panel and those with an influence in deciding his fate was composed of people who had a conflict of interest. As far as I've read, one was the female officer's former supervisor and another was her former partner (advocate for BOR).

Dorner's main witness (the man who was allegedly kicked) also had a mental illness so there was supposedly credibility issues with his testimony.

[mr_chin]

He argues in the manifesto that the BOR panel and those with an influence in deciding his fate was composed of people who had a conflict of interest. As far as I've read, one was the female officer's former supervisor and another was her former partner (advocate for BOR).

Dorner's main witness (the man who was allegedly kicked) also had a mental illness so there was supposedly credibility issues with his testimony.

It seems like everybody dealing with his case was against him. It's clear that the officers at the BOR was tied in some sort of friend, colleague, supervisor relationship, yet they denied Dorner's request to remove them.

Regardless if the witness had mental illness or not, there were video tapes of the female officer using excessive force by kicking him while he's on the ground, yet the department defends this bitch, making LAPD's name even worse than it is.

What a fucked up city to be living in if you ask me, with the ones you rely on to serve and protect doing shit like this to the citizens.

[mb_]

He seemed like a good guy trying to do the right thing but it's unfortunate the LAPD didn't agree with him and he had to resort to this.

It's pretty unsettling when the people who you rely on to protect you can be as worse as the criminals.

Sorry, just catching up with the story.
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[Nightwalker]

It looks like what he's doing is working. Every time the LAPD totally and majorly fucks up looking for him in this high profile case, people see it as support to his claims and it invites investigation into their department.

[snails]

$1,000,000 reward... They really want to shut this guy up holy fckkkk! Desperate times LAPD?

[StylinRed]

they're using Drones to find him :crazy2:

[SB7]

Lol, somehow I doubt they would actually pay out that 1,000,000. Or would they?

[El Bastardo]

http://i.imgur.com/nSmVryx.jpg

[iEatClams]

they're using Drones to find him :crazy2:

this is one of the top comments from CNN. quite a long read, but quality post:



"From the sublime to the ridiculous to absolutely FUBAR" -- this can be the new motto of the LAPD, thanks to the surreal statements by its chief and an appalling lack of professionalism and restraint by some of its officers. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck has called Dorner a "trained assassin", just a couple of couple of days ago he said "we trained him". If you connect Chief Beck's dots, evidently LAPD is in the business of training assassins? How splendid for the citizens of Los Angeles and the millions who visit the city! Beck didn't stop there however. "This is an act -- and make no mistake about it -- of domestic terrorism," he said. He stopped short of calling it a "Jihad" against the LAPD or the American people, but that may well come next. Domestic terrorism? Really? A man that you have previously told us is out to get revenge against the LAPD and the LAPD only? A man who was never known to have articulated a gripe against America as a whole, its policies or way of live, and who has stated no intentions of harming anyone other than a specific group of people in an opaque organization with a blood-stained record that he believes treated him unjustly? A man who has
stated absolutely nothing about politics or religion as a motivation for his grievances and actions? If this is the new criteria for labeling someone a "terrorist", then Chief Beck, you are going to need a lot more space than Camp Gitmo to warehouse the millions of Americans that would fall under it.

Could it be that he is laying the foundation for justifying to the public the application of President Obama's infamous drone doctrine within the borders of the United States? Well, this is precisely what numerous news organizations are reporting -- Christopher J. Dorner, a decorated veteran of the United States Navy, is the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use, reports MSN, was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border. That is some distinction! He is of course NOT the first known American citizen to be targeted and executed by drone strikes. Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were killed by a missile strike in Yemen on Sept. 30,
2011, while al-Awlaki’s son, Abdulrahman, was killed in the country just weeks later on October 14, 2011. He was 16 years old. Again, he was SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. He was born in Denver, CO. During his presidential campaign, Republican Rep. Ron Paul criticized the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, saying: “Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. ... But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad.”

If this unfolding story has proven ANYTHING thus far in a fairly definitive way it is that despite an overwhelmingly negative portrayal of the suspect by the authorities and the media, the public is more than a
little skeptical. That in itself says volumes. Whatever the truth in this case is and whatever its outcome, these are symptoms of a very troubled society and these symptoms go hand in hand with a long line of other symptoms, including the recent events in Newtown. Fewer and fewer people are accepting the idea that this is a story about some guy named Chris Dorner, a killer of three. This story has already become much bigger than any one man could have ever contemplated. It has become a story about how many Americans, maybe a majority or maybe a meaningful minority, have become skeptical or outright distrusting of the authorities that are ostensibly there to protect us. Not just a few days ago, but well before we had ever heard of Christopher J. Dorner. It has twisted the Rubik's cube of American public opinion, revealing different angles of the recent Newtown events and the waves of public opinion and policy response that followed, and it is forcing millions of Americans to finally confront a set of issues that they were previously blissfully happy to ignore -- what our leaders do outside of our borders using our tax dollars, including sometimes killing American citizens without an indictment, an arrest, or a trial by their peers.

This operation was unprecedented in many ways in terms of
its scope and the multitude of facts that had to me "managed". Not
surprisingly, total control seemed to be elusive and from the beginning facts began to slip out that led many to scratch their heads. We may have become a complacent nation, too lazy and unwilling to exercise our fundamental rights much of the time, but even our latte-sipping-reality-TV-watching "culture" has its limits. We haven't entirely lost or ability to lift our heads and say "Hey, we weren't born yesterday. What the hell is going on here?!?" Not for nothing, but in the vast majority of published pictures and videos thus far, Christopher J. Dorner has the appearance of the nicest, warmest, most gregarious and well adjusted person -- PRECISELY the kind of person that you could possibly want to show up at your door if you had to call 911.

Appearances can be misleading and you can't judge a book by its cover. But in a country where African American suspects are usually
delivered to the public a-la photos like that of Willie Horton, this is really
kind of surprising. Christopher J. Dorner is no Willie Horton and he sure as hell is no Adam Lanza. The horrific nature of the Newtown story made it easy for many to accept the official version of the lone-wolf Adam Lanza narrative with virtually no scrutiny in mainstream media. We were told that we know next to nothing about Lanza because he was essentially an off-the-grid recluse and many accepted this. Despite a plethora of oddities, including a newsreel showing the police retrieving a long gun from the trunk of a car when we were told that Lanza used a long gun in the slayings inside the school just before committing suicide, the public has largely embraced the official story. Now, a
month and a half later, we still know next to nothing about what happened in Newtown and who Adam Lanza was. Christopher Dorner is a very different proposition. A whole lot is known about him before he suddenly became a "murderer" and a "terrorist" and it just doesn't add up.

It would be interesting to get more detail about his Navy
service. From the bits and pieces that have been reported thus far, it would seem that he served well, was honorably discharged, and that at least some part of his Navy service overlapped with his employment and/or legal battle with the LAPD. If Dorner was really such a bad apple for so many years and "could not play well with others" within a structured military hierarchy, you would think that this would have been reflected in his Navy service record. Yet, he was honorably discharged just a week ago.

Here is a summary of his service record released by the Navy
just days ago:

Service Dates/Assignments: Arrived – Detached

- Various Reserve Units: 1 Dec 2009 – 21 Jan 2010
- Navy Reserve NAS Fallon, NV: 7 Mar 2009 – 30 Nov 2009
- *30 May 2007 – 6 Mar 2009: Gap of time where Dorner’s
military assignment is undisclosed in information released by U.S. Navy
- Navy Mobilization Processing Site (NMPS) San Diego, CA: 23
Apr 2007 – 29 May 2007
- Coastal Riverine Group Two Det Bahrain: 3 Nov 2006 – 23
Apr 2007
- Coastal Riverine Group One, San Diego, CA: 10 Jul 2006 –
31 Oct 2006
- Navy Mobilization Processing Site (NMPS) San Diego, CA: 6
Jul 2006 – 10 Jul 2006
- *29 Feb 2006 – 5 July 2006: Gap of time where Dorner’s
military assignment is undisclosed in information released by U.S. Navy
- Mobile Inshore Undersea Warfare Unit: 23 Jun 2004 – 28 Feb
2006
- Navy Personnel Command: 16 Jun 2004 – 22 Jun 2004
- Various Aviation Training Units: 4 Jul 2002 – 15 Jun 2004

Awards and Decorations
- National Defense Service Medal
- Iraq Campaign Medal
- Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
- Sea Service Deployment Medal
- Navy Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon
- Armed Forces Reserve Medal w/ “M” Device
- Rifle Marksman Ribbon
- Pistol Expert Medal

The LAPD has already "mistakenly" shot at three civilians, wounding two. We are told that Dorner ambushed two unsuspecting officers in a car, but in light of the LAPD's apparent propensity to shoot first and ask questions later, one is left to wonder whether this is indeed what transpired. Right now, if you are a large black man in LA, are you better
off running into Dorner or uniformed LAPD cops looking for Dorner?

This real life drama is eerily similar to Clint Eastwoods fictional plot in "The Gauntlet" and Al Pacino reality-based drama "Serpico". There are also striking parallels with Sylvester Stallone's fictional plot in "First Blood". We rooted for John J. Rambo because we saw him as an every-man hero betrayed by the corrupt establishment. We knew the cops were lying. We knew they were the killers and we wanted him to survive and to bring the war to them. Why? Because Stallone's Rambo tapped into our insecurities about those who are supposed to protect us.

I wish I could say that I readily believe the official version of the Dorner incident, but one has to consider the source. The same source that gave us Rodney King, among others. We kind of know that police
agencies lie routinely and that once they commit to a lie, they keep digging and digging until the truth is either buried or the hole caves in on them. A vivid more recent example is the Danziger Bridge incident in Louisiana. I wish I could say that I believe that the cops are SEARCHING for Dorner and want to apprehend him. But there isn't even a pretense of a search. It is being billed as a "manhunt" and you don't HUNT something that you want to catch, you hunt to kill. It's 2013 and we are being treated to a slow-motion televised lynching. The LAPD and some other nameless and faceless men with badges are the judge, the jury and the executioner. If there are doubts as to their motives or
intentions, just ask the three civilians they have already fired upon. Does ANY thinking person really believe that the end-game here is to apprehend Dorner and give him a trial? Is there even a serious doubt that given the choice of getting him dead or alive the cops would spare him? More likely the lynching will take place and the networks will be thrilled to bring it live to your living rooms.


And where's the media coverage in all this? We've been told that Dorner sent a CD or a DVD to Anderson Cooper at CNN. We were told that it was "chilling" but never shown what was on the disc. What could it
have been that it "chilled" Mr. Cooper? While I cannot be sure, I am
fairly confident that it wasn't a LaToya Jackson album. What was on it? You'd think that a man going on a suicide mission, right or wrong, would put whatever he considered to be the most important vindicating evidence on a CD to CNN. How someone in a news organization came up with the red herring of "Imagine a More Open America." is a real head-scratcher. Who has ever heard of this "common abbreviation" before? Who in America has EVER texted "OMG, LOL, LMFAO, IMOA... BRB"?!? The writing on the coin covering OBVIOSLY sais 1 M.O.A. (separated by commas), which is a shooting acronym for "Minutes of Angle" or "Minutes of Arc". Wikipedia will tell you that "1 MOA subtends approximately one inch at 100 yards, a traditional distance on target ranges." The guy sends you a two inch coin with bullet holes in it and you think it's a symbol for "Imagine a More Open America"? Really?

And where are Dorner's friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, LAPD partner, his military unit buddies, his commanders, basketball
buddies, etc? He was a United States Navy officer after all. We heard some unflattering comments from an ex-girlfriend, but come on, how objective and reliable will ANYONE's ex be? This guy is in his mid-30s and has led a pretty public life. How come we know only what the LAPD and other nameless and faceless government men are telling us? We know that he went to college and played football. Where are you, his teammates? Some are speaking out but their voices seem to not pass the screens of certain venerable news organizations. His former coach at Southern Utah University, Aaron Alford, said: "You know, I met him when I became a coach at Southern Utah University. That was 1999 and 2000. And in those two years, you know, the things you obviously are seeing on television and hearing in the news, don't -- obviously don't fit. They're ludicrous in that manner, just to think that he's gone to this level of violence and anger. But he was a good kid. You never heard anything negative. He stayed out of trouble. He had good grades. You know, we talked quite often while I was there, and you know, there was nothing to speculate that he would have this kind of issue." James Usera, now an Oregon attorney, played football with Dorner at Southern Utah University in the late 1990s and they
became friends off the field. Usera told the media: "Just absolute befuddlement and shock when I learned about it this morning, and trying to piece things together and in being asked questions about what I know about Mr. Dorner, my experiences with him, and I try and think, was there any indication of this and, you know, there just isn't... My experience with Mr. Dorner was overwhelmingly positive. I never saw any indications in him that he was violent or particularly aggressive, certainly nothing that would suggest to me that he could commit the
crimes with which he's been accused." Where are the others?


We've learned that more than ten years ago Dorner was featured in an Enid News & Eagle article, about two men returning a bank bag containing nearly $8,000 in cash and checks to an area church. Dorner told the News & Eagle he was raised in La Palma, Calif., by his mother. Is she still alive? We were told that her house has been searched. Where is she as her son is the subject of a "manhunt" using military drones? He said he wanted to fly SH-60 helicopters in the Navy, according to the News & Eagle story. About returning the money, Dorner said: “I didn’t work for it, so it’s not mine. And, it was for the church. It’s not so much the integrity, but it was someone else’s money. I would hope someone would do that for me.”

Where are the black civil rights leaders and celebrities? Where are you, Jesse Jackson? Where are you, Al Sharpton? Where are you, Chris
Rock? I know you're alive because you were mumbling something to Congress about gun control a few days ago. Where are you Samuel L. Jackson, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Jamie Foxx? How come none of you are out there saying "Hey, Chris Dorner, whatever you have done, you deserve a trial. Call my office. Let's arrange a peaceful surrender in front of television cameras so at least you won't be shot down in a revenge killing."? Where is California Senator Dianne Feinstein? The most aggressive advocate of sweeping changes to American gun laws who stated on the record that she would, if she could, take all guns away from American civilians. Christopher J. Dorner is, among other things, one of your constituents, Senator. Just days ago you were showcasing "assault-style" weapons before Congress, telling the American public that only the military and the police should have these weapons. That American civilians do not need them and should not have them. Now officials are telling us that a "trained assassin" and a "domestic terrorist", trained in the arts of warfare by the LAPD and the United States Navy, is armed to the teeth and is out there somewhere, still not apprehended after arguably the most intense "man hunt" in this nation's history, which for the first time ever is using military drones to hunt a civilian on American soil. So, this horribly dangerous and well-armed killing machine is out there, you can't catch him, you declare him to be of grave danger to us, regular Americans... BUT you think that we absolutely SHOULD NOT have any weapons in our homes that would give us any sort of chance of protecting our homes and families if your mythical antagonist, an accused "murderer", "terrorist" and "trained assassin", were to target us next? Would you be terribly offended if someone suggested that if everything that has been alleged about Dorner is true and if thousands of law enforcement officers armed to the teeth and using drones cannot catch his day after day, perhaps this is a really good example of why Americans SHOULD arm themselves? Where are you, America's first bi-racial President? When on July 16, 2009, your friend Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., was arrested at his Cambridge, Massachusetts home by a
local police officer responding to a 9-1-1 caller's report of men breaking and entering the residence, you chimed in Gates' defense. You told the Chicago Sun-Times, asked President Barack Obama "Recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?" Obama replied, "Now, I've – I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate
and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement
disproportionately. That's just a fact." This isn't to say that you should
be springing to Dorner's defense. But this is to say that when local law
enforcement starts throwing around words like "domestic terrorism"
and when drones are deployed on American soil, you have a responsibility.


Maybe Dorner IS every bit as bad as the LAPD says and guilty
on all accounts. So prove it in court! Don't be a lynching party. Don't insult what little remains of our collective intelligence by expecting us to blindly accept the official version of this incident, the invocation of the word "terrorist", the historical precedent of using drones on American
soil, the shootings of innocent civilians by LAPD officers who have thus far not suffered any publicly known consequences. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but please don't assume that you can fool all of the people all of the time. LAPD Chief Beck announced Saturday that the LAPD would re-examine its proceedings against Dorner. The review is "not to appease a murderer," but "to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all things we do," he said. Well Chief, having an organization with a long and sordid history re-investigate itself on allegations of corruption, racism, and character assassination, is hardly reassuring. It's actually pointless. Do you REALLY think that when eventually the LAPD says that having re-examined accusations leveled against it, it really REALLY is not guilty, this will boost its credibility? Far too many Americans already believe that the LAPD is the biggest organized crime franchise in California, if not the nation. If there is
a investigation to be had here, surely it must be conducted by the Justice Department and the FBI.


As for Christopher J. Dorner, the outcome is anybody's guess. Maybe he is guilty, maybe not -- we just don't know. Maybe he is still alive or already dead. They say a person dies twice. The first time is when his
final breath leaves his body. The second time is when his name is spoken for the last time. Whoever he is and whatever he is, Christopher J. Dorner will live long past the moment when his final breath leaves his body and his impact on how we perceive our society and those who govern us will be discussed and debated for a very long time.

[mr_chin]

Americans are retarded. The only terrorists in America is the police and military themselves, deploying drones and shit on their own people.

War on terrorism, war on terrorism, yet they don't see the terrorism is among themselves of their own people.

Freedom, democracy, constitution of rights, are all bullshit to keep the american people from going outrage on their authority. It's the authority sitting outside of these so called rights, laughing at the people who swore their lives on it while they're playing against the rules.

[radioman]

Nah it's 1,000,000 reward for information that leads to his CAPTURE. He obviously going to be shot dead if they ever find him. No need to pay the 1 million.

[boss_clad]

this whole things reminds me of the quote from Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight Rises:

"You either die as a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[RacePace]

http://i.imgur.com/nSmVryx.jpg

Nope, he's LL Cool J

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/mobile_rss/hash/ae/12/ae126172dbd2b9d3c9acd68107ed981b.JPG

[GabAlmighty]

stuff happening

CBS News Live Video - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-201_162-1950/cbs-news-live-video/)

[Lomac]

Wonder if Dorner actually injured those two officers or if it's a result of friendly fire and it's just being pinned on him?

Kinda sad that I have to wonder about that, too...

[tarobbt]

Apparently he might have an associate helping him. Imagine if it wasn't him in the mountains :fullofwin:

Best hollywood movie in the making

[bensta]

lmao anyone else watching the cbs live stream and hear the prank caller???

[radioman]

News crews asked to leave. They will execute this guy if he surrenders.

[dhari]

News crews asked to leave. They will execute this guy if he surrenders.

100%

[Lomac]

News crews asked to leave. They will execute this guy if he surrenders.

Everyone here knows I'm not a conspiracy type of person... but yeah, that's the first thing I thought after hearing the air space around the area was restricted.

[Traum]

Is it wrong to hope that Chris will find a way to escape? Because right now, that is precisely how I feel.

[bcedhk]

Feels like an episode of 24. *time ticks*

[radioman]

Christopher Dorner Standoff -- Newscast PRANKED By Howard Stern Fan | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/12/howard-stern-prank-cbs-christopher-dorner-broadcast/)

[snails]

Christopher Dorner Standoff -- Newscast PRANKED By Howard Stern Fan | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/12/howard-stern-prank-cbs-christopher-dorner-broadcast/)


haha that's hilarious Ronnie the limo driver! hahaha

[radioman]

Works for me!

Just go to tmz.com and try to find it.

[BrRsn]

Live feed from a local news station:

Live coverage of possible Chris Dorner sighting | Los Angeles Local News Live Streams | abc7.com (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=8990289)

[radioman]

http://twitter.com/janewells

is this real life?

[quasi]

Everyone here knows I'm not a conspiracy type of person... but yeah, that's the first thing I thought after hearing the air space around the area was restricted.

I don't know what to believe but I read this.

Smith said authorities believe the suspect has access to TV. Smith asked television stations to not show live signals of the cabin area "because it puts our officers at a tactical disadvantage."

[radioman]

They can just ask the media to not broadcast.

Obviously they don't want anyone seeing what they DO not what they're DOING.

[dinosaur]

^ like Keanu Reeves in Speed!

[sonick]

Dorner Barricaded In Big Bear Cabin, Shots Fired, 2 Officers Hurt

[freakshow]

Cabin is now 'completely engulfed in flames'

[bensta]

the cabin is on fire now apparently. dont know if it's even dorner in the cabin

[dinosaur]

No word on whether he was actually in there....

[dinosaur]

also, its starting to bug me that CNN keeps saying, "they eyes of the world" are watching....

ya...probably not.

[cdizzle_996]

1 officer is deceased

[fliptuner]

What would Richard Kimball do?

http://www.hwdyk.com/q/quizimage/thefugitivequiz.jpg

[dogeatcookie]

Apparently there is a possibility that Chris Dorner might have escaped from the cabin

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26583407.jpg

[Lomac]

I don't know what to believe but I read this.

Smith said authorities believe the suspect has access to TV. Smith asked television stations to not show live signals of the cabin area "because it puts our officers at a tactical disadvantage."

Oh I've no doubt that's the reason why. It's merely the fact that that the LAPD has a type of history that makes you question their motives, even if they're genuinely pure.

[Lomac]

So how did the cabin catch fire? Did the police do it or was it set from within? I haven't been paying attention the last couple hours.

[murd0c]

If he had the kind of training they said he has there is no fricken way he would barricade himself in the cabin. If he did it's a 100% death sentence. The way hes planned everything it's been very precise and being paranoid like he is I highly doubt hes still in it.

[shawnly1000]

So how did the cabin catch fire? Did the police do it or was it set from within? I haven't been paying attention the last couple hours.

They said it caught on fire shortly after tear gas was used

[Shorn]

maybe he escaped already.. but this isn't a movie so he's probably dead in the cabin from the fire.

but who knows maybe it's not even him. could be the cops just started shooting at this random guy living in the cabin and he shot back.


also a single shot was supposedly heard right after they shot the tear gas in? maybe he commit suicide apparently.
but it sounds to me more like this guy would go out guns blazing rather than killing himself.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol bullshit they set it on fire.


this isnt cops and robbers.


this is organization A vs organization B.

one of the organizations is composed of one guy. the other, many guys.

it's no different than a gang war.

[shawnly1000]

"SWAT vehicle being used to break down cabin walls"

[murd0c]

maybe he put something in the oxygen tanks so when they shot the tear gas in there was a chemical reaction which started a fie? there was a dead body already inside so it will be fully burnt and they will think its his so now no one will be looking and he will be able to finish his main objective....

give it a month or two and there will be an episode on Criminal Minds no questions asked

[StylinRed]

wonder if he got out... doubt it but that would make for an amazing movie

[Gh0stRider]

@janewells
Oh geez. @KFIAM640 reports police sources fear #Dorner may have gotten away in stolen squad car.

lol

[CharlesInCharge]

He shot down the the chasing officers so unless other cops came on the scene right away I dont see why he would stay in the cabin unless he was wounded.

[bloodmack]

i know this guys causing some chaos but fuckin eh go dorner go.

[Shorn]

@janewells
Oh geez. @KFIAM640 reports police sources fear #Dorner may have gotten away in stolen squad car.

lol

that would be some jason bourne shit right there lol..
if only it was true.
highly doubt it though, life usually isn't that exciting.

[BrRsn]

Doesn't make sense .. so many conflicting reports of him being dead/escaped in squad car/dead in the cabin that they set on fire


http://audio4.radioreference.com/71138770.mp3
Live audio stream of the police scanners in use in/around big bear

apparently a little while before the fire someone heard them say "Go ahead with the burn"


CONSPIRACY

Also for you conspiracy theorists

here's the actual recordings of the standoff (not just the banter going on now). I'm sure these will get taken down soon so:

https://archive.org/details/DornerStandoff2


edit: 25 minutes in you hear "burners deployed, we have fire"

[shawnly1000]

Apparently, a body has been removed from the cabin as per CBS

"Former LAPD official John Miller, now at CBS, says he was told a body has been removed from cabin in 7 Oaks."

John Miller ‏@johnmillercbs
A law enforcement source says a body believed to be that of ex-LAPD officer Chris Dorner has been recovered in the burned, Big Bear cabin

[BrRsn]

Here's a radio anchor who was doing a phone interview right as swat got into a firefight w/ Dorner and 2 officers were injured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e98f3JFzHjs


dafuq

EDIT:

Body removed from burnt out cabin

RIP BLACK RAMBO
:okay:

Live stream:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live-video/

What seems like what happened is he got into the firefight, possibly got overwhelmed by police/injured and retreated to the cabin. Then it appears the cops threw in tear gas to get him out -- a single shot was heard shortly thereafter. He didn't come out, then there are reports of cops talking about doing a 'burn' over the radio.... and next thing we know his cabin is on fire. Now they got his body

[shawnly1000]

.

[BrRsn]

Scanner down? :S

Scanners done he's dead..you can download the recordings from the firefight/when they set his cabin on fire if you read up at my spoilered post.

I posted a live link to an LA news station

RIP RAM-BRO

[Ver.Mitsubishi]

good who cares about a dead cop and a dead american cop even two birds one stone only a million more to go

[shawnly1000]

Exclusive: CBS2's Carter Evans Trapped In Center Of Dorner Gunfight « CBS Los Angeles (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8365096)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/transcript-reporter-carter-evans-pinned-down-in-center-of-dorner-gunfight/#.URsDweJKkO0.twitter

[Gh0stRider]

A body believed to be that of Christopher Dorner has been pulled from the burning cabin, multiple law enforcement sources tell CNN

Law enforcement personnel will conduct a forensic exam to identify the body, the sources say.

[Anjew]

hope they get independent investigators to deal with all this....

[kunoman1]

I heard that he took hostages in the cabin, any news of them>?

[StylinRed]

"No Body has been Found" - LAPD

right now during a press conference

[dogeatcookie]

No bodies have been recovered yet :woot2:

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

Wow, just shows how manipulative the media is. The cabin hasn't even been searched yet! Ridiculous. What a show.
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[fliptuner]

"Believed to be his body"

too soon junior

[BrRsn]

bastards

[shawnly1000]

W T F :fulloffuck:

KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO ‏@KNX1070
#LAPD: Tactical alert, protection of officers' homes and potential targets continue #dorner #manhunt

[murd0c]

this kinda reminds me of the movie Shooter with Mark Wahlberg. It's a pretty good movie as well.

[Gh0stRider]

[Updated at 11:45 p.m. ET] The San Bernardino Sheriff's Department is echoing the LAPD's refutation of reports that Dorner's body was found in the burned cabin, but it acknowledges investigators believe a body is there.

"We believe (the suspect) is still inside the cabin that caught fire," an SBSD spokeswoman said.

Later, she said, "(Investigators) believe a body is in there," but that investigators still haven't been inside the cabin to look for one.

"It is too hot. (It's) still smoldering" and not safe to enter, she said.

"We believe that the person that barricaded himself inside the cabin and engaged in gunfire with our deputies ... is still inside there even though the building burned," she said.

[rsx]

he's most likely dead.

[El Bastardo]

Christopher Dorner Shootout - Cops say "Burn It Down" - YouTube

21 seconds :suspicious:

[radioman]

ya it was brought up before with records of them saying burn it down and something about bringing something in for the fire

[The7even]

Oh man if its not him and they burned it down.. I'd love to see the LAPD go to shit and go through a cleansing..

[StylinRed]

what if Dorner simply busted into a random cabin that a family was currently using?


so Dorners goal of drawing attention to corrupt cops has succeeded; sadly nothing will likely happen

[CharlesInCharge]

He had tied up two ladies earlier who I believe got loose and called him in for the initial report. People in another forum are calling this Waco.

[J89]

I'm going to help him BRB GAIZ!!! >.<

[Anjew]

Oh man if its not him and they burned it down.. I'd love to see the LAPD go to shit and go through a cleansing..

yea that would be an interesting development if the body isnt his.

btw i don't think those guys are LAPD since they are in another jurisdiction.

[El Bastardo]

Big Bear is in San Bernadino county so it would be their cops most likely.

[radioman]

45 mark

Cops torch cabin where Christopher Dorner was held up - YouTube

av8tor17b 1 hour ago
It is a violation of the Geneva convention to use flame weapons against a civilian. It is murder to have a police officer do it intentionally to murder the occupant. Charge and convict the officer who authorized this.

[shawnly1000]

Just noticed your name is radioman lol

[radioman]

^lol what!?!

[shawnly1000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cNk-bV40XMc

[Nightwalker]

Keith Sweat Featuring Athena Cage - Nobody (Video) - YouTube

no boodyyyy

[dlo]

2 wrongs dont make a right...

[Yodamaster]

45 mark

Cops torch cabin where Christopher Dorner was held up - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=player_embedded)

av8tor17b 1 hour ago
It is a violation of the Geneva convention to use flame weapons against a civilian. It is murder to have a police officer do it intentionally to murder the occupant. Charge and convict the officer who authorized this.

That is fucking disgusting, even after all Dorner did, that is FAR from necessary. Drives home the point that they did not care about bringing him in at all.

Take the cops that authorized it to court to make up for what should have happened with Dorner, this is not acceptable.

[SB7]

2 wrongs dont make a right...

True... But....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjlw8Ge941qbohddo1_500.jpg


Seriously though, this whole thing is :fulloffuck::pokerface::moderated::ahwow::yuno::Or ly::drama::seriously:

All in one. So much speculation, so little answers...

[rsx]

At first I thought they were using the word "burner" like slang for a gun or smth. That chatter was pretty disturbing though.

I like how it ended with "There might be a basement..."

Talk about a movie...

[BillyBishop]

45 mark

Cops torch cabin where Christopher Dorner was held up - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=player_embedded)

av8tor17b 1 hour ago
It is a violation of the Geneva convention to use flame weapons against a civilian. It is murder to have a police officer do it intentionally to murder the occupant. Charge and convict the officer who authorized this.

I'd have to read in deeper detail to be sure of this, but I'm fairly certain that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to this situation.

[radioman]

They relate to war (from my understanding). I just thought the bit about when does burning someone alive become OK.

[vafanculo]

I don't mind what they did. If this were a regular criminal, then yes, that was overkill. But in this situation, he had no intentions of getting caught. Even in his manifesto he states he knows he won't live through this. This guy was putting up a fight till the end, and wanted to take as many cops out as possible.

This whole story is messed to begin with ..might as well have a messed up ending.
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[StylinRed]

I'd have to read in deeper detail to be sure of this, but I'm fairly certain that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to this situation.

it doesn't but i think he was making a different point

[dinamix]

Fuck your Geneva conventions. This guy murdered innocent people . He can burn on earth and in hell.

[AAnthony]

-----

[radioman]

I don't mind what they did. If this were a regular criminal, then yes, that was overkill. But in this situation, he had no intentions of getting caught. Even in his manifesto he states he knows he won't live through this. This guy was putting up a fight till the end, and wanted to take as many cops out as possible.

This whole story is messed to begin with ..might as well have a messed up ending.
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Ya but (lets assume this is correct) they have not confirmed if it was him inside so are they just assuming that hes in there and by himself?

Obviously we don't have all the information but with what they did to the truck with the two woman in it I think its safe to say they might miss some steps to get this guy.

[StylinRed]

Fuck your Geneva conventions. This guy murdered innocent people . He can burn on earth and in hell.

presumption of innocence

rule of law


Judge Dredd is just a movie and comic book

[shawnly1000]

"Charred human remains have been found in the debris of the burned-out Big Bear area cabin where police believe fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was holed up, authorities said late Tuesday night.

Investigators will attempt to identify the remains through forensic means, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said in a statement."

Dorner case: Human remains found in debris of burned cabin - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-charred-human-remains-found-in-debris-of-burned-cabin-.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=649324)

[Mr.Money]

i don't think it's him....he would jump out guns blazing.



this has to be some crazy hermit.

[rsx]

Fuck your Geneva conventions. This guy murdered innocent people . He can burn on earth and in hell.

Because there's a difference between justice and revenge.

[corollagtSr5]

"Charred human remains have been found in the debris of the burned-out Big Bear area cabin where police believe fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was holed up, authorities said late Tuesday night.

Investigators will attempt to identify the remains through forensic means, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said in a statement."

Dorner case: Human remains found in debris of burned cabin - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-charred-human-remains-found-in-debris-of-burned-cabin-.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=649324)


The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.

The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist.

The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming.

The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is

yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"

I guess they went with the FBI idea.

[mr_chin]

I can't imagine how much of a shitstorm it's gonna be for the LAPD and whoever is involved when they find out that the remains does not belong to Dorner.

Who in their fucking right minds, as law enforcement would blaze a house because they suspect their target is inside? Wouldn't the correct method of extracting someone from their homes or complex be using swat tactics?

This sounds like some inhumane and terrorist style of dealing with a target. I'm surprised the president, governor, or mayor hasn't gotten on the LAPD's ass for all the wreck they've done to innocent civilians. After what happened to the ladies in the truck, one would question, are the LAPD even trained law enforcements? Or they just go apeshit on whoever whenever they feel threatened?

[fliptuner]

http://christopher-dorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Turn-In.jpg

[Ferra]

wait...the cops actually burn the house down??
What if someone else or other hostages are in the house?:seriously:

[cdizzle_996]

Do you actually think that the Police would confess if it was some one elses remains..lets be serious.

[dvst8]

Still a lot of speculation. If this guy is speaking the truth, I can respect that he's stepping up against corrupt law enforcement. Not many have the power to fight for what is right.

[Anjew]

they found dorners driver license with the charred remains.

[Ronin]

Wow...so they set a house on fire to get the guy!? Never seen that happen before.

[Ducdesmo]

So...the house burnt down, too hot to enter...the body has been charred to where they are unable ID him without foresenics, but drivers licence no problem?

Also didnt they find his ID last week after he tried to steal a boat?

they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry" near the U.S.-Mexico border. That same day, a guard at the Point Loma Naval Base told authorities he had spotted a man matching Dorner's description trying sneak onto the base, according to the court records.


These allegations seems a bit fishy...but who knows, maybe a coincidence.

[Yodamaster]

Body burned too severely to recognize without DNA, driver's license perfectly legible. Seems legit.

[wingies]

lol wht bs

kinda like how they captured and killed osama, and buried him in the atlantic sea or whatever and noone ever saw the body

edit: If it isnt Donner and he comes back and shoots some more cops, the LAPD gonna have alot of explaining to do if they did say the body was his

[Ronin]

LOL, reading some quotes:

Dorner did not engage in RANDOM killings. Want proof? He did not kill his hostages. He let them live because they weren’t on his kill list. And yet the LAPD did, indeed, engage in random acts of attempted murder.

...

If you weren’t on Chris Dorner’s kill list, you had nothing to fear from Dorner. But if you were a black man with a bald head, you had everything to fear from the LAPD! And they proved it by opening fire on not just one innocent person, nor two, but THREE innocent citizens who didn’t even resemble Dorner (two of the victims were women, the third was a thin white guy).

And there were pictures of OBL shot in the face. Don't be stupid. He was buried at sea to comply with his religious requirements, because finding a country to bury him would be difficult and they didn't want his burial site to become a shrine for terrorists.

[StylinRed]

LOL, reading some quotes:



He was buried at sea to comply with his religious requirements, because finding a country to bury him would be difficult and they didn't want his burial site to become a shrine for terrorists.

:suspicious:

latter is about right

[Mr.Money]

they found dorners driver license with the charred remains.

i Left my Bank Card in the Dryer & it melted :suspicious:

[quasi]

Wow...so they set a house on fire to get the guy!? Never seen that happen before.

Waco Texas, oh wait that was an accident... haha right.

[Culverin]

http://i.qkme.me/3sz500.jpg

[AzNightmare]

I'm rooting for this guy and hoping it's not him that got burnt.

Just because the LAPD's approach is so messy and improper.
And they already messed up with killing a few civilians.

You'd think they would take more caution next time, but no.
Now they're just embarrassed and desperate,
so they'll take whatever measures now to fish this guy out,
even if it means to cause more damage just so they can say
"Well, at least we got him."

[snails]

I'm rooting for this guy and hoping it's not him that got burnt.

Just because the LAPD's approach is so messy and improper.
And they already messed up with killing a few civilians.

You'd think they would take more caution next time, but no.
Now they're just embarrassed and desperate,
so they'll take whatever measures now to fish this guy out,
even if it means to cause more damage just so they can say
"Well, at least we got him."


i kinda agree but not really, if anyone got burned i hope it was Dorner only because i wouldn't want another civilian killed for no reason, but i think their approach was very unprofessional and seems like they were willing to do anything to stop this guy from talking

[Psykopathik]

still dont understand why they cant flood the house with some kind of knockout gas....

[GLOW]

still dont understand why they cant flood the house with some kind of knockout gas....

dead people can't tell their side of the story? /conspiracytheory

[El Bastardo]

still dont understand why they cant flood the house with some kind of knockout gas....

They tried that during a hostage crisis in a movie theatre in Russia. Its not as effective as you'd think. Apparently it resulted in some people being killed once the guys with the guns figured out what was going on.

[Shorn]

Removed. I had no problem with the game but it didn't need to be filled with the n-word.

- Ronin

[shawnly1000]

Pretty intersting segment/interview on AC360 discussing the audio tape/record of the "burners" reference. Interesting that they're saying that it was the second grenade, a "hot" grenade that caused the fire and they knew this was a possibility going into it.

[rsx]

Yeah two types of gas were used. Initially your conventional tear gas but I'm assuming dorner had a mask on. The second gas was incendiary style known to cause fires. That's what did it.

[shawnly1000]

There's an interview of the couple that got tied up in the first cabin; they're describing how he kept telling them he wouldn't harm them and to stay calm; similar to what the truck owner's description of his demeanor was.
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[Gh0stRider]

Sheriff: 'We did not intentionally burn' the cabin

[RRxtar]

In the audio don't they talk about how one part of the cabin hasnt started burning so they wanted them to bring in more fire?

[Ronin]

:suspicious:

latter is about right

By that, I mean the Americans would have to hand him off to someone to bury, since they weren't just going to leave him there for his own people.

Well, Pakistan barely wants to accept that he was in their country. Think they want to give him a burial plot?

How about Afghanistan? Oh right, the Americans are there.

Maybe in America? LOL...like that's going to happen.

Surely Saudi Arabia? No. No country would want to be the final resting place of Osama bin Ladin knowing the unnecessary shitstorm it would bring them.

Yes, the Americans didn't want to build a terrorist shrine but on the other hand, there was no place that would take him. Conspiracy theorists will no doubt be using this as their rallying cry. "NO PIX NO DEAD BIN LADEN!" and that he was dumped at sea as a convenient alibi but in reality, it was probably just out of necessity.

[rsx]

I wonder how many nutters out there are thinking.. Well I could've done more damage and stayed alive longer...or if we had like 5 guys we could've destroyed that swat team...

scary thought.

[StylinRed]

By that, I mean the Americans would have to hand him off to someone to bury, since they weren't just going to leave him there for his own people.

Well, Pakistan barely wants to accept that he was in their country. Think they want to give him a burial plot?

How about Afghanistan? Oh right, the Americans are there.

Maybe in America? LOL...like that's going to happen.

Surely Saudi Arabia? No. No country would want to be the final resting place of Osama bin Ladin knowing the unnecessary shitstorm it would bring them.

Yes, the Americans didn't want to build a terrorist shrine but on the other hand, there was no place that would take him. Conspiracy theorists will no doubt be using this as their rallying cry. "NO PIX NO DEAD BIN LADEN!" and that he was dumped at sea as a convenient alibi but in reality, it was probably just out of necessity.



I actually suspect (or wouldn't be surprised) that the all powerful Bin Laden family probably got his body back and put it in their family plot and just had the US say they buried him at sea

[mr_chin]

Umm back to Dorner guys? Any word on who the charred remains belongs to?

[tarobbt]

Dorner to captives: 'I just want to clear my name' - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-to-captives-i-just-want-to-clear-my-name.html)

Still proves that Dorner was only targeting the LAPD. He wasn't intending to harm anyone else. I still wonder what they were trying to cover up, in most cases a swat team would have been sent in but instead they decided to light him up.

He was innocent btw, he was never convicted of murdering anyone :troll:

[rsx]

The Negotiator (7/10) Movie CLIP - Things Are Not What They Seem (1998) HD - YouTube

[Gh0stRider]

U.S. authorities confirm the charred remains found in a burned cabin in the mountains outside LA belong to fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/14/us/lapd-dorner/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Medical examiners have positively identified the body of the renegade former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner, the man authorities say killed four people and wounded three others in a vendetta against his old comrades.

[snails]

U.S. authorities confirm the charred remains found in a burned cabin in the mountains outside LA belong to fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner.


Via cknw news
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of course they did... :suspicious:



like they would admit to burning someone they ASSUMED was him...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

^ lol

[cdizzle_996]

of course they did... :suspicious:



like they would admit to burning someone they ASSUMED was him...


exactly..

[Noir]

of course they did... :suspicious:



like they would admit to burning someone they ASSUMED was him...


Exactly.

There was really no point in waiting for the post-mortem results for confirmation when really it would not make any difference. Should they be wrong, I don't see them owning up to burning the wrong guy.


As far as I'm concerened, when they shot at 3 civilians in their over zealous effort to get Dorner, civilians who's only connection is that they drove a similar car, it's practically an admission of guilt in my eyes as far as the LAPD is concerned.

[fliptuner]

Let's see what happens if LAPD officers on his list keep getting picked off.

[SpeedStars]

Exactly.

There was really no point in waiting for the post-mortem results for confirmation when really it would not make any difference. Should they be wrong, I don't see them owning up to burning the wrong guy.


As far as I'm concerened, when they shot at 3 civilians in their over zealous effort to get Dorner, civilians who's only connection is that they drove a similar car, it's practically an admission of guilt in my eyes as far as the LAPD is concerned.
This almost proves his manifesto as in how dumbfounded the LAPD is. I'm not saying that all of those in the LAPD are like this, but he must've withheld some valuable information regarding the LAPD for them to kill him rather than to storm the building and atleast attempt to make an arrest
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[freakshow]

I wonder which agencies (news, govt, etc), if any, will open investigations into any of Dorner's claims..

[willystyle]

I wonder which agencies (news, govt, etc), if any, will open investigations into any of Dorner's claims..
I think it will be the FBI.

If I was a LA resident, I'd be furious of how this case has unravelled. There's a complete lack of transparency, responsibility, and professionalism in how the LAPD has conducted themselves. I'd request the help of an official body to perform a complete and thorough investigation into Chris Dorner's allegations.

[mr_chin]

So.... The people of Los Angeles just gonna let the shooting of the civilians slide? Are Americans that stupid and powerless nowadays that they're too scared to step out and voice against the LAPD. I understand if they didn't do anything about 9/11 because it remains a conspiracy but this? It's not even about dorner anymore. Stupid Americans.
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[CharlesInCharge]

I guess you'd have to "walk a mile in their shoes" as they say to really understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcONy1EbNqw

[XplicitLuder]

Let's see what happens if LAPD officers on his list keep getting picked off.

thats some Law Abiding Citizen shit right there

[Ducdesmo]

That would be pretty crazy...fake your own death..then come back and pick off the remaining people on the list. Then the LAPD would be complete screwed cuz now they have to explain who they had burned/murdered in that cabin! The people would come down hard on the LAPD...Dorner would have then achieved his goals.

[fliptuner]

Or he is in fact dead but inspired a bunch of people that are equally pissed at the
LAPD and the shitstorm continues.

[murd0c]

Or he is in fact dead but inspired a bunch of people that are equally pissed at the
LAPD and the shitstorm continues.

that would be the start to a modern day revolution in the US and it would spread like wildfire especially with everythings that has been going on with the economy, 99% joke and the other protests and complatins from everyone.

[CharlesInCharge]

Or he is in fact dead but inspired a bunch of people that are equally pissed at the
LAPD and the shitstorm continues.I think this is why the group Human Rights Watch made a report against Canada yesterday stating how the police beat and sodomize first nation women/girls and get away with it.
Harper responded by saying accusations should be taken up with the police.

[Noir]

that would be the start to a modern day revolution in the US and it would spread like wildfire especially with everythings that has been going on with the economy, 99% joke and the other protests and complatins from everyone.


The thing is, and I think this is the reason why a surprising amount of people are on Chris Dorner's side, is because we all know corruption exists. We all know it's currently present.

It doesn't matter if we're talking about the LAPD or Congress. It doesn't matter if we're talking about your fortune 500 execs or your bankers. We all know its there. We all know its happening but I guess for some reason, we've grown not to only expect that it occurs alongside power and authority, but have also grown to accept it.

At least that's why I'm rooting for him. I guess I'm embarrassed to say I've also come to accept what kind of world it is and have just learned to live with it.

[impactX]

So they've confirmed it's him.

The whole incident just smells fishy.

[Excelsis]

What? That's it? Wouldn't he at least try to make an attempt to run out shoot and then escape? Beats dying in a fire..

[twitchyzero]

wow just got caught up on few days of news since the stand-off

black bald cop burned to a crisp in a cabin hideout



http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121217061422/dexter/images/9/99/DoakesSuspicion.png

SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER

[AzNightmare]

What? That's it? Wouldn't he at least try to make an attempt to run out shoot and then escape? Beats dying in a fire..

yeah... ending does seem a bit anti-climatic...
:suspicious:

[The_Situation]

yeah... ending does seem a bit anti-climatic...
:suspicious:

It isn't a movie after all..

[radioman]

If they lied and he ended up turning up it would be worse then burning alive another criminal.

[Aetios]

I wonder if security is cleared to stand down from protecting the people on Dorner's hit list.

Or maybe they might just keep a security detail around them for a while just in case there's some crazy nuts out there who want to continue his killing spree.

[MR_BIGGS]

Maybe the LAPD and Dorner agreed to a settlement of some sort and they collectively faked his death?

LAPD: If you drop your case against us, we will give you a new alias, here's XXX amount of money, now go away.
Dorner: Done.

This wouldn't explain the cop deaths, but it makes for a wicked movie.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Maybe the LAPD and Dorner agreed to a settlement of some sort and they collectively faked his death?

LAPD: If you drop your case against us, we will give you a new alias, here's XXX amount of money, now go away.
Dorner: Done.

This wouldn't explain the cop deaths, but it makes for a wicked movie.

...they'd still kill him after.

[radioman]

Didn't seem like a man that would take money and just completely ignore his agenda.

That would seem like a surrender as well by both parties and I don't think the LAPD like "losing".

[SB7]

Kind of on a different note... But I found this AMA on reddit a couple days ago and it was a pretty interesting read. Its a Toronto Cop by the way.

Canadian police officer AMA : IAmA (http://ds.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18ilfn/canadian_police_officer_ama/)

Would be cool to see an LAPD officer do their own version of this, even though it is pretty unlikely.

[1creator]

^ An LAPD officer did one actually during the whole debacle

LAPD AMAA (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18ckd7/iama_police_officer_with_the_lapd_amaa/)

[AzNightmare]

Brave Heroes Denied $1.3 Million Reward For Finding Killer Cop

When the ex-LAPD supervillain Christopher Dorner rampaged across Southern California last month, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa announced a million-dollar reward for information leading to Dorner's capture. Three brave heroes who survived their encounters with Dorner have since claimed the reward, but the stingy governments and groups who offered the money now refuse to pay because Dorner somehow didn't survive an army of cops roasting and demolishing the mountain cabin he holed up inside for his last stand.

Jim and Karen Reynolds survived a real-life crappy thriller movie when Dorner tied them up and held them prisoner in their nearby vacation cabin, and Rick Heltebrake lived through a harrowing carjacking by Dorner. Now the so-called community leaders who offered the reward are saying, "Ehh, Dorner didn't actually make it to being convicted, so maybe we'll just keep this money."

A lawyer working for the Reynolds couple says local governments cannot get out of paying the reward just because Dorner died in the battle. “California law Penal Code 1547E states that local government is authorized to issue rewards that are paid on the capture and/or conviction of the suspect, and if the suspect dies, in the course of a police dispute or while in police custody then the requirement that he be convicted is eliminated,” attorney Kirk Hallam told ABC News in Los Angeles.

There's a law for this because California cops are all crazy war veterans and cyborgs, and pretty much any Wanted Suspect ends up full of bullets, or burnt down to a skeleton, or exploded.


Brave Heroes Denied $1.3 Million Reward For Finding Killer Cop | The Awl (http://www.theawl.com/2013/03/sorry-cops)

[GabAlmighty]

Bahahaah, fucking cheap sob's

[fliptuner]

Paying out the 1.3M is probably cheaper than going through the court process and putting him in prison for 10 years while he appeals.

Just pay the fucking reward.

[bing]

I think the original intent of the reward was for people who actually provided information for his capture and not so much for people that were robbed/tied up who would have called 911 regardless. It's almost like whoever ran into Dorner and lived to tell about it wins the lotto.

[rsx]

:nyan:

[Integgyy]

lol, im still waiting for his epic return.

[bing]

How does being captured as hostages by a man on a killing spree winning the lotto? They could easily have been killed. And regardless, they did provide the info for him being found.

What's the difference between someone spotting him chopping some trees in the woods in the middle of nowhere?

Don't selectively read and purposefully leave out other key words in my statement such as "its almost like" and "and lived to tell about". Obviously this will lead to the wrong conclusion of what I intended to say.

And it seems that my guess in the previous post came very close to why there is some difficulty for some in paying out the award.

"However, for some unspecified donors, the issue is who is seeking the reward:

Underlying their objections is a moral argument that donors will not make publicly. Some find the claims for the money unseemly. They believe reward seekers had called police to report they were victims of crimes by Dorner and now seek to profit from their brief encounters, which left them unharmed, during a rampage that devastated the families of police officers and of others he killed.