[toyobaru]

Cycling advocates in the Greater Vancouver area say it may be time to look at allowing rolling stops for people riding bicycles into traffic intersections.

According to Erin O’Mellin, a spokeswoman for HUB, an advocacy cycling group in the Greater Vancouver area, Idaho is an American state that allows cyclists to execute rolling stops when pulling up to an intersection stop sign.

She says by allowing cyclists in Idaho to legally roll through stop signs has not caused more accidents.

“The issue does come up time to time and we point out rolling stops have shown to be quite effective in Idaho,” said O’Mellin.

She said the idea is to allow the cyclist enough leeway to slow down but not come to a full stop.

“It is not that the cyclist can just blow through a stop sign,” she said on Tuesday.

LIKE A YIELD SIGN

O’Mellin feels the time is coming for legislators to look at allowing cyclists to obey the stop sign much like a yield sign.

“You would still have to look and yield the right of way — it would be just not a full stop,” she said.

NO EXTRA ACCIDENTS IN IDAHO

In Idaho, O’Mellin said there is no indication the rolling stop sign traffic law has caused havoc on the roads.

Rolling stops have been allowed in Idaho for 30 years.

“They found no increase in collisions or safety concerns,” she said.

ROLLING STOPS SAFER FOR CYCLISTS

Allowing cyclists rolling stops may not be popular with drivers, points out O’Mellin.

By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.

Changes in B.C. would have to be made to the Motor Vehicle Act.

Cyclists now by law are to make a full stop at traffic sign just like vehicles.

Other states in the U.S. are considering passage of a law that would allow bicycle riders to treat stop signs as yield signs.

These “rolling stops” would allow bike riders to preserve some of the momentum they need for efficient travel.

SENIORS WORRIED

Gladys Hawley, 90, is the co-ordinator of the Semiahmoo Mall Walking Club. She worries about cyclists hitting pedestrians if the law is changed.

“I think it will put pedestrians at risk,” she said. “The cyclists hardly stop now.

“Our cities aren’t geared for this. The cyclists get on their bikes and could care less.”

And while some cyclists would like to see the rolling stop, walkers and vehicle drivers panned the plan.

DRIVERS UNHAPPY

In Facebook postings, residents living in the Greater Vancouver area questioned the proposal of a rolling stop for cyclists.

Tim Weeks wrote: “Cyclists for some reason think they don’t have to obey road rules.”

Zondac Gibson wrote: “As long as they don’t put the responsibility for the extra accidents on the drivers, then fine.”

Norm R. Key wonders if it is going too far. “Cyclists presently have to follow car rules or pedestrian rules. Adding another set of rules? What could possibly go wrong.?

Josh Hall called it “an accident waiting to happen.”

Romeo Thom noted: “Sure I approve it. I could use the entertainment watching cyclists get hit and starfishing through the air.”

Shannon Luchies writes that pedestrians may be hit if there are changes for cyclists. “or for that matter running into pedestrians who think the cyclists are supposed to stop.”

Jeanna Gale, an elderly woman writes about her narrow misses with people on bicycles. “I’ve been almost hit when I was crossing at a crosswalk. I walk with a cane and none of the cyclists would stop from the flashing lights at the cross walk.”

Commuter Maddie Lawson posted:”Why should they be able to do this? If I’m driving my car and did this I’d get a ticket.... so NO.”


Cycling advocates call for (http://www.theprovince.com/travel/Cycling+advocates+call+rolling+stops+Vancouver/8020429/story.html)


Anyone else besides me think our leniency towards cyclists rules getting a bit out of hand these days? This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think some cyclists take our roads and rules for granted.

Discuss.

[melloman]

This is stupid. Plain and simple.

If they want to do this, I say we put rules in place calling for MANDATORY cyclist insurance. So when they roll the stop and hit my car because they aren't paying attention, they are held accountable.

It's like they think they are gods greatest gift.

[GLOW]

i can foresee a car obeying the stop sign, move forward, and a biker that didn't slow down or stop barrels through and gets hit

in vancouver i think it's going to be chaos :ohgodwhy:

[Mr.HappySilp]

LOL start paying for insurance like all cars then start talking.

[fliptuner]

This is stupid. Plain and simple.

If they want to do this, I say we put rules in place calling for MANDATORY cyclist insurance. So when they roll the stop and hit my car because they aren't paying attention, they are held accountable.

It's like they think they are gods greatest gift.

If they want to reg. and insure, and be subject to the same fines/rules as cars, go for it.

By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.

By this logic, it should also apply to motorcyclists. A 500lb+ MC is a lot harder to balance than a 30lb bike, right?
AND MC riders actually PAY to use the road.

[stewie]

ROLLING STOPS SAFER FOR CYCLISTS

Allowing cyclists rolling stops may not be popular with drivers, points out O’Mellin.

By allowing cyclists to simply slow down, they can keep their balance while maintaining a rolling stop, which can be safer she points out.


if they cant keep their balance while slowing down...they shouldnt be fucking riding in the first place.

cyclist's piss me off...they're the reason why i stop as close to the curb as i can so they cant pass me at a red light. if i have to wait for the light to go green, im going out of my way to make you wait as well...lane sharing pricks, run the red light, get hit by a car, then sue the driver for not being cautious and not seeing him...

[fliptuner]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35485208.jpg

[BrRsn]

if they cant keep their balance while slowing down...they shouldnt be fucking riding in the first place.

cyclist's piss me off...they're the reason why i stop as close to the curb as i can so they cant pass me at a red light. if i have to wait for the light to go green, im going out of my way to make you wait as well...lane sharing pricks, run the red light, get hit by a car, then sue the driver for not being cautious and not seeing him...

Should get a cummins with a passenger side exhaust outlet.

Move the exhaust to exit half up the rear Q/P

Rev in neutral as you pass bicyclists lololol.

[Soundy]

When the fuck did a cyclist ever actually stop at a stop sign in the first place?

[firebird79_00]

Fuck this, it already takes everything I have to not mow these bastards down with a car.
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[TPMarko]

cyclists are already ignoring stop signs, 4-way stops and how to properly proceed in a round-a-bout as it is.

[Akinari]

As an occasional cyclist who rides his bike for leisure purposes, I can say that this is probably the silliest idea I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure I'd either be run over or slammed into if I ever failed to stop at a stop sign.

[yogenfruz]

Getting tired of hearing how hard cyclists have it. Like others have said, if you can't balance your bike, or have a hard time starting from a stop, then you shouldn't be riding a fucking bike.
Portlandia bike clip - YouTube

[FerrariEnzo]

like everyone stated.. stupid.. they do rolling stop and cause an accident or gets injuryed, who are they doing to blame.. not themselves, obviously...

If we share the lanes with bicycles, they should obey traffic signs/lights...

[DEADBEA7]

This is the first thing everyone will picture in their mind after reading that:

http://ericpetersautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cycle-wreck1.jpg

[Gumby]

Is comparing Idaho to Vancouver even a valid comparison?!

Let me guess - Mayor Robertson will support this change...

[Nlkko]

To think that money was spent to lobby these stupid shits. "Can't balance"???? The fuck I don't even....

[quasi]

If they want to reg. and insure, and be subject to the same fines/rules as cars, go for it.


By this logic, it should also apply to motorcyclists. A 500lb+ MC is a lot harder to balance than a 30lb bike, right?
AND MC riders actually PAY to use the road.

LOL, first thing I thought about. If I can balance my motorcycle at a light with no fucking effort one should be able to do it with a bicycle.

[SoNaRWaVe]

Romeo Thom noted: “Sure I approve it. I could use the entertainment watching cyclists get hit and starfishing through the air.”
:lawl::lawl:

[Mancini]

In my area cyclists routinely blow stop signs and nearly clip pedestrians who have the right of way. All this does is make it harder to hold the cyclist accountable when this happens.
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[91civicZC]

So much wrong with this suggestion, but honestly do cyclists actually obey most traffic laws in the first place? Not the ones I often encounter.

As I have said before, many cyclists love to scream “WE ARE TAFFIC TOO!” and “SHARE THE ROAD!”, but they don’t actually seem to understand what “share the road” or being traffic means.

The problem is many cyclists just don’t seem to get that being traffic means you obey the traffic laws.

If Police started enforcing the traffic laws even to cyclists, and cyclists had to pay a small insurance fee on bikes and have them plated for identification, this would help them be safer on the roads, and hold them accountable. Both of these are currently missing from our “lets let the bikists do whatever they want” model.

Before the ”pro everything bike movement and if you say anything against bikes you fail” crowd chime in let me clarify I actually think the more cyclists the better, especially for automotive enthusiasts. The more people riding bikes, the less gas is used world, and the less pollution made. This means I have lower gas prices for longer, and hopefully more leniency to do what I want to a car as air quality improves. I feel the same way about City and electric cars, automotive enthusiasts should be supporting them as much as possible. However with cyclists, we have to look at proper infrastructure, policing, insurance, and right of way solutions for Vancouver. Vancouver was not built with the idea of cyclists having a major part of road, simply putting in some barriers and calling it a day will not work and is dangerous for both bike riders and the rest of the public.

[Derek_N84]

Reading this article just made my brain go :fuuuuu:

[LiquidTurbo]

Haha. At the same time I can't remember the last time I saw a car fully stop at a stop sign.
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[finbar]

I drive & bike and am dismayed at the cycling scofflaws I see daily.

I am convinced the VPD has this low on the priority list, it's becoming a free for all.

The thinking appears to be that as the precious cyclists are unwilling to obey the law then change the law, what a load of bullshit!


I vote nay.



:fulloffuck:

[Bonka]

I am trying to be as narrow-minded as I possibly can to see this through the advocates point of view but all I end up seeing is how this is going to make things much more dangerous for everyone on the road. Traffic calamities is bad enough without factoring in cyclists and pedestrians.
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[vantrip]

When was the last time a cyclist actually came to a stop sign and dismounted? Never seen it! Just an hour ago I was looking out of the window and a lady on a bike no helmet blew through the stop sign and went into a city f350, she fell so hard :lawl:

[Graeme S]

When was the last time a cyclist actually came to a stop sign and dismounted? Never seen it! Just an hour ago I was looking out of the window and a lady on a bike no helmet blew through the stop sign and went into a city f350, she fell so hard :lawl:
And let me guess, she bitched him out for getting in her way and making her crash.

[JaPoola]

When the fuck did a cyclist ever actually stop at a stop sign in the first place?

They're pretty much saying "we're already doing this so make it legal".

If that goes thru, I'd like to see lane filtering made legal for motorcycles.

[vantrip]

And let me guess, she bitched him out for getting in her way and making her crash.

Not a word, she walked away with a bruised ego, it was gold :fullofwin:

[GLOW]

no dent or paint scratch on the truck?

[Psykopathik]

doenst make sense that cyclists use the road same as cars, but requires no knowledge of road laws?

stop sign means stop for 2 seconds then proceed when safe, not blow through and have a spaz when you almost get creamed by a car.

bike riders need mandatory drivers ed IMO. also appropriate fines for fucking up, just like car drivers. everyone on level play field.

[Prolowtone]

I love to ride my bike once in awhile, but this is bullshit. If you are driving on the same surface you use the same fucking rules, The way it has been for years. Only time i get close calls are when people try to rush past me to turn into a parking lot . They blow out of a side ally and stop on the sidewalk or they turn through a light while i have the walk sign lit up

[bcrdukes]

As a cyclist, I don't believe in this proposal nor do I agree with this advocacy group. Rules of the road should apply to everyone alike - cars, pedestrians, motorcycles/scooters, and cyclists.

Stopping for a mere 2 seconds could mean getting to your destination safe and sound or a ride in an ambulance or even 6 feet under. This nonsense about losing balance is retarded. This advocacy group needs to go away.

[Prolowtone]

If you cant keep your balance then you cant ride and are an endangerment to yourself and those around you, stay the fuck off the road. It is same as if you cant drive a car, Dont do it.. stuff might happen.

These people that are for this are damn hopeless

[bcedhk]

They should focus on improving the painted lines for bike lanes or making them more luminated during dark/rainy weather.

There are way too many dangerous drivers + cars on the road. With our rainy and dark conditions, this plan will not work well and will def cause more cyclist + motor accidents.

[LP700-4]

I ride my bike all the time in the summer, i would say "losing balance" is just an excuse for those bikers that are too lazy to stop and have to re-accelerate.

[Geoc]

I say we start an advocacy group to remove all speed limits, if it worked for the Germans, it must work here too:derp:

[J____]

if they implement bike insurance, then sure i'll consider this law change.

[Raid3n]

i wouldn't even if they did get insurance.. what i want is filtering. all of europe allows filtering, and if you want a north american example, california allows filtering.

[Soundy]

They're pretty much saying "we're already doing this so make it legal".
I'm surprised Revscene doesn't support this idea, since so many are already of this mindset:

"We're already doing 30 over the limit through construction zones, so make it legal."
"We're already running HIDs in our otherwise-stock '84 Corollas, so make it legal."
"We're already running test pipes on our daily drivers, so make it legal."

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Humor_Trollface_U_Mad_Black_Shirt_POP.jpg

[predom]

Who actually stops for stop signs on a bike? When I was a kid I would blow through those. If I got a ticket I'd be laughing all the way to court.
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[bcrdukes]

Who actually stops for stop signs on a bike? When I was a kid I would blow through those. If I got a ticket I'd be laughing all the way to court.
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Sorry. Perhaps people like myself, 604CEFIRO, Alphamale, and OTG-ZR2 should have adopted that mentality when we went our group ride out to UBC and Stanley Park. Sadly, the hipsters on their fixies we rode beside along W. 10th stopped at a stop sign too. Shame on all of us. :okay:

Fuck stop signs. Yeah. :woot2:

[SpeedStars]

:facepalm: If cyclists want to use the road with cars...They better abide by the same rules that cars do. No exceptions. Cyclists are already hard enough to deal with, suddenly cutting up front beside you on a red light and ALREADY blowing past intersections.

[Tim Budong]

What pisses me off are cyclists that gun through a line of cars waiting at the light on your shoulder...
What if they run into your mirror? whos at fault?

[noventa]

got damn cyclist. Dey took my jrob

[Drow]

in b4

" driving advocates call for "rolling stop" at intersection because doing a full stop consumes more gas and creates more air pollution "

[jimmyrustler]

http://cache.bordom.net/server/?type=image&size=full&id=aHR0cDovL2kuaW1ndXIuY29tL3RDV3ZJSnQuanBn

[vantrip]

no dent or paint scratch on the truck?

Hit the trucks front tire and fell down

[vantrip]

Who actually stops for stop signs on a bike? When I was a kid I would blow through those. If I got a ticket I'd be laughing all the way to court.
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Posts like these make me sad I don't have a fail button:okay:

[JaPoola]

What pisses me off are cyclists that gun through a line of cars waiting at the light on your shoulder...
What if they run into your mirror? whos at fault?

Speaking from a motorcycling filtering perspective, if you stay in the middle of your lane, not hugging one side or the other, your mirrors will be fine ;)

[meme405]

You know what kills me about this.

I live in north vancouver. The city spent a fortune on road widening, not to allow for more lanes of traffic for cars which were direly needed. but to add a dedicated separate bike lane for cyclists.

But cyclists on that very road still ride on the side of the road where the cars are.

I think a cop should sit at the low road in north vancouver and ticket all the retarded bikers not using the bike lane that they so feverishly fought to have erected all over the city.

Now they think they can roll stops, guess what i dont give a fuck if I was at the stop sign first and I see you start to go before me ill deck you. The problem all stems with how much leeway we have given these clowns over the years. Now they think they run the show. Guess what no matter what the laws are in a conflict between your pedal bike and my 4000lb SUV YOUR GOING TO LOSE!

[mac25]

i'd say if you can't ride a bike then get a car... but thank goodness none of these people drive since they can't even manage the footwork on a slowing bike.

[doritos]

is it just me or, cyclists look retarded. I don't know how to describe this awful feeling when I see them...

[Graeme S]

You know what kills me about this.

I live in north vancouver. The city spent a fortune on road widening, not to allow for more lanes of traffic for cars which were direly needed. but to add a dedicated separate bike lane for cyclists.

But cyclists on that very road still ride on the side of the road where the cars are.

I think a cop should sit at the low road in north vancouver and ticket all the retarded bikers not using the bike lane that they so feverishly fought to have erected all over the city.

Now they think they can roll stops, guess what i dont give a fuck if I was at the stop sign first and I see you start to go before me ill deck you. The problem all stems with how much leeway we have given these clowns over the years. Now they think they run the show. Guess what no matter what the laws are in a conflict between your pedal bike and my 4000lb SUV YOUR GOING TO LOSE!
As much as people are claiming that bike lanes are 'a success' because more people are using them, I feel the same as you. I want to know why nobody is monitoring the LACK of use of the lanes.

There was a letter I saw in the Georgia Straight last summer (I know, I know, commie newspaper. shoot me) and it was an article by an old man who role his bike with his grandson or granddaughter. He was saying that going from Hastings/Renfrew to the downtown east side along Hastings was too dangerous and that they needed to make sure that the whole way was made more 'bike friendly' so that more people could go.

I wanted to jump up and scream at that motherfucker that there is a DEDICATED BIKE PATH all down Adanac that goes from Burnaby straight downtown. A guy who worked in the same building as me when I was DT biked from Boundary to Hastings and Granville every fucking day, and got there faster than I did on the bus. You want to bike? great. You want to be more healthy? Awesome. You want to change EVERY street to suit your needs? How about go fuck yourself. Existing infrastructure exists, and no, it's not exactly as convenient as you'd like it, BUT IT IS FUCKING THERE.


Don't just monitor the use, monitor the lack of use. Count how many people go down Burrard instead of Hornby and clog up traffic. Count how many asshole bike couriers ride on the sidewalks cutting through back alleys and acting like vehicles when it suits them until they need to cut across or through a crosswalk.

Having the carrot is great, but where the fuck is your stick.

[Soundy]

There was a letter I saw in the Georgia Straight last summer (I know, I know, commie newspaper. shoot me) and it was an article by an old man who role his bike with his grandson or granddaughter. He was saying that going from Hastings/Renfrew to the downtown east side along Hastings was too dangerous and that they needed to make sure that the whole way was made more 'bike friendly' so that more people could go.
Wait... he's taking his grandkids to the DOWNTOWN EAST SIDE, Vancouver's SKID ROW, our version of THE PROJECTS... and he's concerned about the safety of THE ROUTE THERE???

"Uh yeah, Westley and Buttercup would like you to put an elevator up the Cliffs of Insanity so they can have a safer way to get to the THE FUCKING FIRE SWAMPS."

Having the carrot is great, but where the fuck is your stick.
Stop beating around the bush, tell us how you REALLY feel :troll:

[Soundy]

You know what kills me about this.

I live in north vancouver. The city spent a fortune on road widening, not to allow for more lanes of traffic for cars which were direly needed. but to add a dedicated separate bike lane for cyclists.
You know what kills me about that? 90% of the roads in North Van are 8% grade or more. Who in their right fucking mind rides a bike ANYWHERE in North Van???

[dink]

Does this mean I can do a rolling stop on my motorcycle? Its a lot harder to balance than a bicycle!

[Ronin]

If this goes through, then motorists shouldn't be held responsible for running into cyclists that do this rolling stop.

...or I'm putting in a couple of these.

http://www.topgear.com/au/assets/cms/8ccfe984-02cd-4317-8d65-095a8cba8d2b/670x377Image.jpg?p=110414_08:09

[Graeme S]

If this goes through, I forsee dashcam sales spiking to Russian proportions.

[El Bastardo]

You know what kills me about that? 90% of the roads in North Van are 8% grade or more. Who in their right fucking mind rides a bike ANYWHERE in North Van???


In my shitty home town they spend about six months widening a few blocks of streets to put a bike lane at the top of a similarly graded hill in and around the hospital where emergency vehicles are constantly bringing meth overdoses and victims of white supremist hate crimes.

This is an area of town where the average age is 50+ so this bike lane made no sense.

The provincial government must be giving away grants or tax breaks or credits or something to have a certain percentage of bike lanes in a municipal district.
For a part of the world where we get rain and cloudy weather for eight months of the year we sure are bike crazy for some god damn reason.

I'm going to go ahead and say RIP to the first fatality that comes out of this new policy which will undoubtedly receive a glowing endorsement from Mayor Moonbeam.

Also, I found this and I lol'd

http://i.imgur.com/nxXbqQD.jpg

[yogenfruz]

^ Well, you can't argue with that kind of logic.

[EvoLove]

if this came in to effect, it would be stupid. Why? Well lets say there's no one at the intersection, but for you and the cyclist. You get to the intersection first and you proceed because you have the right of way, But suddenly the Fucken cyclist blows through the intersection and you hit him, you would automatically be at fault until you prove that, you were at the intersection first. via witness or dash cam if there's no one there. (the local government leans towards cyclist in Vancouver) so moral of my retarded rant Buy dash cams :troll:

[Lomac]

This is all a ploy by ASR to increase his dash cam sales...

:troll:

[SpeedStars]

is it just me or, cyclists look retarded. I don't know how to describe this awful feeling when I see them...

I feel awful when I see a girl cycling beside me and she just so happens to be at a perfect angle :ifyouknow:

[Geoc]

if this came in to effect, it would be stupid. Why? Well lets say there's no one at the intersection, but for you and the cyclist. You get to the intersection first and you proceed because you have the right of way, But suddenly the Fucken cyclist blows through the intersection and you hit him, you would automatically be at fault until you prove that, you were at the intersection first. via witness or dash cam if there's no one there. (the local government leans towards cyclist in Vancouver) so moral of my retarded rant Buy dash cams :troll:

Or you better know where the nearest forest with loose soil is as well as a shovel :troll:

[Soundy]

This is all a plot by the Queen to undermine the roadbuilding unions.