[JoshuaWong]

Porsche 991 GT3 inside look - interview with Andreas Preuninger - YouTube

Can't believe no one posted this yet, but 9000rpm red line and the most amazing dual clutch gearbox ever... :fullofwin: Offered only in PDK, personally I won't miss the manual at all.

-Fastest shifting DCT ever
-Manual clutch in/out via paddles

[BABU]

Can't wait for 991 GT2 GT3 RS. BTW no Nurburgring lap time for this thing yet ?

[radioman]

Very cool.

[Vale46Rossi]

Lol, no stick?


Can't wait till all those C-Lai's and young girls driving em GT3 in Richmond.

[Energy]

I wonder if it'll end up like BMW catering to their US customers and adding a 6 speed to the M5.

3.3 secs to 100km/h... Give me a manual and I don't care it if take 4 secs.

[unit]

manual is starting to be a thing of the past with high performance cars.

[broken_arrow]

New 991 GT3 + GT3 Cup on track (Motorsport) - YouTube

Not even going to lie... SO MUCH WANT, lol!

[westopher]

manual is starting to be a thing of the past with high performance cars.
I can understand why, but it sure bums me out. :okay:

[Z3guy]

^ I agree, manuals provide the most enjoyable and rewarding driving experiences, but technology moves on........a 4 barrel carb on a big block V8 sounds amazing, but it is just passe now........from the video, it sounds like the GT3 PDK system is going to be quite different than the regular PDK.

[unit]

I can understand why, but it sure bums me out. :okay:

http://cdn2.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1243/sad-i-know-that-feel-bro_3969556_lrg.jpg

[Wormiez]

http://i.imgur.com/5FWkBex.png

[BurnoutBinLaden]

A lot of purists will cry foul over the lack of manual, but I see it differently. The GT3 is a race car, and incorporates technology that pushes the limits of what's possible. Years ago, could anyone have predicted KERS in a production car, or S-tronic or PDK? It's a technological masterpiece.

Also, the new rich don't care about having a pure sports car. They're not the kind of people to get onto a race track and heel-toe. They only want the best and fanciest car out there-North America is the holdout, which is why the E60 and F10 M5s both got a 6MT option.

[Rich Sandor]

I love paddle shift. So much faster and more efficient. Makes you almost feel like you are driving an F1 car.

[Akinari]

A lot of purists will cry foul over the lack of manual, but I see it differently. The GT3 is a race car, and incorporates technology that pushes the limits of what's possible. Years ago, could anyone have predicted KERS in a production car, or S-tronic or PDK? It's a technological masterpiece.

Also, the new rich don't care about having a pure sports car. They're not the kind of people to get onto a race track and heel-toe. They only want the best and fanciest car out there-North America is the holdout, which is why the E60 and F10 M5s both got a 6MT option.

I dunno man, if I win the lottery tomorrow I'm pretty sure that I'd have enough money to buy a couple fun things with sticks to toss around :badpokerface: to go along with my automatic luxobarges.

[ilvtofu]

I love paddle shift. So much faster and more efficient. Makes you almost feel like you are driving an F1 car.

IMO I wouldn't feel any less involved driving a good paddle shift
It's amazing how people jump to conclusions about it being a non-engaging experience when they have never driven it.

[Z3guy]

I am a novice driver at best, I love the GT3 on the track but in comparison to a 997.2 Carrera PDK, I find I can focus more on my braking pts and turn in allot more than having to worry about my shifting. I still prefer to use the paddles Vs full auto though.......

[Timpo]

125hp/l...not bad at all...that's definitely Honda territory.

[freakshow]

People always say that those who want an MT are the 'ones who race their car', and the 'rich' only want a status icon. From what I've seen, that's completely false..

The ones who want the MT are the guys who just think MT is more fun to romp around the town in.

At the track, I would welcome paddles, as racing gives you enough things to think about between acceleration, braking, driving line, course layout, etc. It's also not like the act of shifting is what makes racing fun.. it's the whole package. Paddles, if anything, probably make it more fun, so that I can concentrate on the rest of the car.

So paddles don't seem like a bad idea at all. At the track, its just as fun, and more efficient and the 'rich' (the actual customers of the car) prefer it.

So it seems that the only people complaining are the forum warriors and journalists, who will never own one anyways..

[westopher]

The ones who want the MT are the guys who just think MT is more fun to romp around the town in.
Definitely true.

So it seems that the only people complaining are the forum warriors and journalists, who will never own one anyways..
Definitely not true.

[ilvtofu]

I am a novice driver at best, I love the GT3 on the track but in comparison to a 997.2 Carrera PDK, I find I can focus more on my braking pts and turn in allot more than having to worry about my shifting. I still prefer to use the paddles Vs full auto though.......

http://youtu.be/PUiztuIy2yQ

Check out this video posted today, fast forward to 2:45
Watch how the paddle shifter gearbox allows these professional drivers to really take liberties with the steering and braking/throttle points
Being in the right gear IMO lets you get way more involved with the driving dynamics that actually matter

[Gumby]

125hp/l...not bad at all...that's definitely Honda territory.
:facepalm:

[flagella]

A lot of purists will cry foul over the lack of manual, but I see it differently. The GT3 is a race car, and incorporates technology that pushes the limits of what's possible. Years ago, could anyone have predicted KERS in a production car, or S-tronic or PDK? It's a technological masterpiece.

Also, the new rich don't care about having a pure sports car. They're not the kind of people to get onto a race track and heel-toe. They only want the best and fanciest car out there-North America is the holdout, which is why the E60 and F10 M5s both got a 6MT option.

No one is arguing that the rich cares about stick shift. People are simply disappointed as there are more cars shifting towards paddle shift. There are enthusiasts, including me, who would choose manual any day of the week.

Yea sure it's a technology that pushes the limits of what's possible, but seriously how many people are actually even out there who has the skills to do that, not to mention the riches buying those will prob rarely hit any track days anyway.

[kunoman1]

125hp/l...not bad at all...that's definitely Honda territory.

:fulloffuck: what...

[vantrip]

For no driving that's very interesting and entertaining.

[wstce92]

used to love that the gt3 was manual only.
hopefully the gt3rs will at the very least give the option of a manual.
would love to own a s2k or 1m/z4m/z3m or sti; knowing that all my brethren rock the stick as well.

[Energy]

People always say that those who want an MT are the 'ones who race their car', and the 'rich' only want a status icon. From what I've seen, that's completely false..

The ones who want the MT are the guys who just think MT is more fun to romp around the town in.

At the track, I would welcome paddles, as racing gives you enough things to think about between acceleration, braking, driving line, course layout, etc. It's also not like the act of shifting is what makes racing fun.. it's the whole package. Paddles, if anything, probably make it more fun, so that I can concentrate on the rest of the car.

So paddles don't seem like a bad idea at all. At the track, its just as fun, and more efficient and the 'rich' (the actual customers of the car) prefer it.

So it seems that the only people complaining are the forum warriors and journalists, who will never own one anyways..

You make it sound like you'll be racing all the time. Probably not true.

Driving a manual car is more engaging, more involved than a PDK, the point of which is to make things easier and more efficient.

Now for the track, you want those qualities in order to achieve the best lap times. It lets you focus more on steering and braking.

On the street or during 99.99% of driving time you are not trying to beat the clock, if all you're doing is steering and braking... Zzz that puts me to sleep. And majority of people with a dual clutch leave it on full auto most of the time anyway. Sure, I've driven dual clutch equipped cars and it's fun for awhile but then the tendency is to just leave it in drive.

And those journalists have the seat time to be able to give opinions that carry weight. They get to drive many different kinds of cars for a living so I'll trust their opinion when they say something gives more driving pleasure. Respectfully, their opinion is more valid than yours or mine.

I don't care if they offer PDK, I'm just sad that the manual is gone. Although I feel like it will come back again at some point.

Haha we are going to see teens driving this car soon.

[?uestlove]

i would take driving this car for 10 minutes over fucking the hottest skank of my choice for 40.

[boostfever]

125hp/l...not bad at all...that's definitely Honda territory.

not yet. it's missing the vtec. close though...

[Marco911]

125hp/l...not bad at all...that's definitely Honda territory.

Honda doesn't make anything close to 125 hp/l in a production car engine above 4 cyls.

[freakshow]

You make it sound like you'll be racing all the time. Probably not true.

Driving a manual car is more engaging, more involved than a PDK, the point of which is to make things easier and more efficient.

Now for the track, you want those qualities in order to achieve the best lap times. It lets you focus more on steering and braking.

On the street or during 99.99% of driving time you are not trying to beat the clock, if all you're doing is steering and braking... Zzz that puts me to sleep. And majority of people with a dual clutch leave it on full auto most of the time anyway. Sure, I've driven dual clutch equipped cars and it's fun for awhile but then the tendency is to just leave it in drive.

And those journalists have the seat time to be able to give opinions that carry weight. They get to drive many different kinds of cars for a living so I'll trust their opinion when they say something gives more driving pleasure. Respectfully, their opinion is more valid than yours or mine.

I don't care if they offer PDK, I'm just sad that the manual is gone. Although I feel like it will come back again at some point.

That's a good point.. MT is more fun for a street drive (morning commute is debatable..), but I guess it's hard when you can't have both. And in a car like the GT3, I think they have to choose the more efficient one.

[a00755836]

Im surprised gt3 will only have pdk. I thought they would put in the new 7speed manual

[VRYALT3R3D]

Oh man, I would love one.

I bet they are expensive as hell to mod

[AWDTurboLuvr]

You make it sound like you'll be racing all the time. Probably not true.

Driving a manual car is more engaging, more involved than a PDK, the point of which is to make things easier and more efficient.

Now for the track, you want those qualities in order to achieve the best lap times. It lets you focus more on steering and braking.

On the street or during 99.99% of driving time you are not trying to beat the clock, if all you're doing is steering and braking... Zzz that puts me to sleep. And majority of people with a dual clutch leave it on full auto most of the time anyway. Sure, I've driven dual clutch equipped cars and it's fun for awhile but then the tendency is to just leave it in drive.

And those journalists have the seat time to be able to give opinions that carry weight. They get to drive many different kinds of cars for a living so I'll trust their opinion when they say something gives more driving pleasure. Respectfully, their opinion is more valid than yours or mine.

I don't care if they offer PDK, I'm just sad that the manual is gone. Although I feel like it will come back again at some point.

Haha we are going to see teens driving this car soon.

IMO, I don't think it's wrong for the GT series of the 911 to not have manual. It's their most track-oriented cars that happen to be streetable and PDK is just superior.

People confuse visceral and engaging. You want an engaging car to drive on the street? Porsche sells a Boxster S with a manual still. Drop the top down and enjoy an engaging drive. The GT3 and RS are all about the visceral feelings of driving. The violent exhaust bark on every shift, the PDK that feels like a sequential gearbox out of a race car, the accuracy of the steering at limit. That's visceral.

As for them bringing back the manual gearbox for the GT3....

On when the manual gearbox was ruled out…

'We ruled out the manual gearbox in back to-back comparisons last summer. On every shift with the PDK is more emotional, because for the first time when you shift at 9000rpm there’s a bham! in the exhaust, and this gives you goosebumps. It blips the throttle on the downshifts, and on a road you don’t know you can go very fast with both hands on the wheel. And on a race track the PDK gains three-quarters of a car length with every shift, so after a long straight you’re ahead of the other car and can turn-in in front of him. It just works. This is the big news.

'There’s no chance of a manual. We don’t want to offer too many options on our GT cars. And if you’ve got a manual and a PDK you’ve got to have different set-ups for the suspension, the aero, the tyres, everything. We are a small team and can only concentrate on one car.'

The people who are going to be buying this car will have other cars on the street.

[TOPEC]

every time a new car gets introduced with paddle shift only, the forum automatically gets into a debate of auto vs manual... every... friggen... time...

[Energy]

New Porsche 991 GT3. First Drive. - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube

[!e.lo_]

Chris Harris does such awesome reviews. He's a real car guy and expresses it. Doesn't care about how he presents himself; usually in a beard and pokes himself about it, and just wears a t-shirt and shorts. (check the one with the Huayra)

The car, it looks and sounds great. 9k rpm?! that's just awesome.
Only personal gripe, I wish the hoops in the seats looked better... lol just a minor thing =P

[Timpo]

Can't wait for 991 GT2 GT3 RS. BTW no Nurburgring lap time for this thing yet ?

it wont be faster than the GT-R so I don't think they would even bother posting it

[hud 91gt]

^In the video above it said 7:25 on two different types of tires.

[JoshuaWong]

New Porsche 991 GT3. First Drive. - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVdme4ISq8Y)

I think the most important point he made in that video is, welcome to the era where manual gearbox no longer necessarily contributes to being a better driver's car. The same goes for performance and every aspect where it can be measured.

Its a just matter of personal preference now. People should cherish their manuals now that they still got it. Not going to be a problem for me though, I've loved DCT/SMG since the days of horrible neck snapping gearchanges :ahwow: But man it made me realized how fast things have changed...

[Energy]

Must resist urge... Lol

I'll just agree that there's a place for both transmissions depending on how you want to use your car.

[N8]

If you ever plan to do club level road racing, get a manual. 99% of club racing cars if not all are manual, since most people cannot afford to race a car with a GOOD dual clutch. Also less stuff to go wrong.
Learn blipping, learn heel toe. Better to learn sooner than later and it is very satisfying once you get the hang of it. Also, you will be able to get into any car and drive the shit out of it.

Manual purists unite!

[death_blossom]

the 997 GT3 introduced traction control. that was one step and one sign that Porsche maybe have been moving the GT3 model towards a more 'mainstream' buyer. someone who wants a racy drive, but would still want some of the modern comforts of an everyday 911. this new GT3 looks like it is moving another steps towards that focus. because, at the end of the day, it's about the company moving cars off the showroom floor.

while the PDK is a very race oriented transmission, it definitely lacks the visceral driving experience of a manual transmission vehicle. I guess one can't escape electric steering as it is the standard steering wheel system on the regular 911 Carreras.

I think the GT3 RS is going to be the only "true" analog driving experience offered by Porsche now. or will they move the PDK into that car as well???

[Shorn]

If you ever plan to do club level road racing, get a manual. 99% of club racing cars if not all are manual, since most people cannot afford to race a car with a GOOD dual clutch. Also less stuff to go wrong.
Learn blipping, learn heel toe. Better to learn sooner than later and it is very satisfying once you get the hang of it. Also, you will be able to get into any car and drive the shit out of it.

Manual purists unite!

That's the thing with you "purists". You assume that once someone buys a DCT car, they don't know how to drive manual. No, they probably do.
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[bcrdukes]

When I got my E91, I suddenly forgot how to drive my M3. :cry:

:troll:

[Timpo]

it's like Panamera or something...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rm9vPXXqAcg/TzXlO7Uy1PI/AAAAAAAAJzU/txiQercH3A4/s1152/009.JPG

[Timpo]

964 Turbo (widebody) and 991 Carrera

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/attachments/993-forum/661761d1346875843-993-991-comparison-pics-7-img_0435.jpg

[Timpo]

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/attachments/993-forum/662723d1347284088-991-993-comparison-phots-img_0429.jpg

[Timpo]

people should stop blaming GT-R for being huge

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/attachments/993-forum/662725d1347284130-991-993-comparison-phots-img_0440.jpg

[westopher]

Thats a 993 first of all. Second of all, can the gtr penis be pulled out of your mouth for just one thread?

[Z3guy]

this time I have to agree with timpo......with electric steering and increase in overall size, the 991 is getting to be a luxury boat. The saving grace is that they increased the wheelbase and moved the engine forward 4 inches.....I don't care what technology car companies implement, you cannot change physics, weight and size do not help the driving experience.

[Timpo]

Thats a 993 first of all.
http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/1/2/0/1/1201646/pics/_c995469_image_0.jpg

[BeefCake4000]

Porsche 911 GT3 | evo REVIEW - YouTube

[BeefCake4000]

New Porsche 991 GT3. First Drive. - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube

[BBMme]

The review by Chris Harris was probably the best review I've seen. I even added it to my fav
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[Mancini]

Any Chris Harris review is excellent.
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[ringmaster]

Any Chris Harris review is excellent.
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When it comes to reviewing any cars after MY1985 C.H. is the best auto jouno - period! Still not sold on the whole PDK thing though :(

[Mancini]

I'd miss the manual but it seems that the pdk is fantastic and technically superior. I understand why thy made this decision even though I wish they didn't.
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[bloodmack]

Thats a nice looking beetle, what kind of body kit is that? :troll:

[Szeto]

^Porsche kit.