[vitaminG]

lightened, and LS7, GM tells Mustang BOSS 302 Laguna to suck it

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One of the trims glaringly absent from the fifth-generation Chevrolet Camaro lineup has been the famous Z/28. That absence ended decisively and forcefully at the 2013 New York Auto Show with the launch of the 2014 Camaro Z/28, which may be the greatest Z/28 ever. You may think we're just drinking Chevy's PR Kool Aid with the term "greatest" but once you see the extent of the engineering and content of the new Z/28, we think you'll be inclined to agree. While the street/track ZL1 utilizes a supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 to provide its 580 hp and 556 lb-ft of torque, the Z/28 utilizes the outgoing Corvette Z06's 7.0-liter naturally aspirated LS7 V-8. Final power figures have not been announced, but Chevrolet promises at least 500 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque. The LS7 was selected over the supercharged LSA for its broad torque curve and high 7000-rpm redline, which makes it well-suited for high-speed track driving. Both the engine and Tremec TR606 six-speed manual transmission, the only available, have dedicated high-capacity cooling systems. Beyond the monster naturally-aspirated engine, the Z/28 features unique shocks, tires, brakes, suspension tuning, and a comprehensive and strategic lightening that ditches many of the niceties found on "consumer-grade" Camaros in pursuit of maximum performance. Even air conditioning, which most of us now take for granted as standard equipment even in the lowliest econoboxes, is offered only as a stand-alone option in concession to the Z/28's limited dual purpose as a street car. As Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser put it, this is "the fastest road-racing Camaro possible that's still street-legal." To keep the Z/28 stable on the track, it features a full aerodynamic package consisting of a front splitter, underbody panel, fender flares, extended rocker panels, and a rear spoiler and functional diffuser. The 20-inch wheels used on the SS and ZL1 were swapped for 19-inch wheels, which reduce total unsprung weight by a total of 42 lb and lower the car's center of gravity 33 millimeters. Rather than utilizing different-sized wheels and tires front to rear, all four corners of the Z/28 are shod with 305/30ZR-19 Pirelli PZero Trofeo R tires -- the ultra-high-performance tire's production debut -- that are believed to be the widest front tires on any production car. Shocks feature spool-valve technology allowing for individual adjustment of bumper and rebound settings for both high and low-speed wheel motions. This allowed for an increase in the maximum damper stiffness while not adversely affecting on-road ride quality. Chevrolet claims the suspension tuning and tires facilitate a face-distorting maximum lateral acceleration of 1.05 g.
Behind the purposeful rolling stock are massive 15.5-inch front Brembo carbon ceramic matrix brakes clamped by six-piston calipers in the front; 15.3-inch rotors with four-piston calipers sit in the back. In addition to the rotor material's superior heat and fade-resistance capacity, the composite rotors save a total of 28 lb per car. The lightening didn't stop with the suspension and brakes. The rear seat design and material was optimized and the trunk pass-through was eliminated in the quest to save nine pounds. Other non-essential kit such as fog lights, trunk carpeting, a tire inflator kit (except in states required by law), sound deadening and HID headlights were left in the spare parts pile. Even the rear window glass is 0.3 mm thinner. In all, the Z/28 is 100 lb lighter than a comparable SS coupe and 300 lb lighter than the ZL1 coupe. To keep the driver focused, yet comfortable, the front seats are aggressively-bolstered Recaro units with microfiber suede inserts for high-speed grip, with the obligatory seat cut-outs to facilitate the installation of five-point harnesses. The seats are strictly manually-adjustable. The Z/28 may not have the eye-popping horsepower figures of the Shelby GT500, or the gentleman's GT demeanor of capable ZL1, but we have to appreciate the Camaro team's dedication to doing this legendary designation proud. Drive-in poseurs need not apply. In addition to the Z/28, Chevrolet also showed the facelifted 2014 Camaro SS. Though it gets all of the same visual updates as the new Z/28, the 2014 SS (and the rest of the Camaro lineup) continues with the same powertrains that were offered in 2013.

Read more: 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - 2013 New York Auto Show - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1303_2014_chevrolet_camaro_z28_first_look/#ixzz2OliCABEN)

[smoothie.]

Still a fat ass car
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[mekaw]

Don't like the tail lights much, kinda look like prelude. Prefer the current tail lights..

[VRYALT3R3D]

A day late and a dollar short.

The Boss 302 is gone for the 2014MY. While Chevrolet FINALLY refreshed the Gen5, Ford is working on an entirely new platform with IRS. By fall of 2014, the new Mustang will be out and it will be lighter and faster then the current S197 gen. Which already weighs less then the new 2014 Camaro. The Camaro also has a shitty interior that sucks ass. Ford is still on the top. The 2014 Shelby GT500 dominates ANY Camaro.

[freakshow]

http://www.preludeonline.com/attachments/f30/1648d1240427611-part-out-5th-gen-pearl-white-type-sh-rear-view-comp.jpg

First thing I thought of..

[vantrip]

Competition is a good thing, sure the boss still is lighter and nimble, but this is just as badass!

[AW607]

looks more aggressive, very nice albeit a tiny bit bulky looking
:notbad:

[Spectre_Cdn]

I love it. Dat ass is reminiscent of the 67-69 Camaro's.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2007/03/27/13/53/1969_chevrolet_camaro-pic-49452.jpeg
http://image.automotive.com/f/featured-camaros/1st-gen-camaro-1967-1969/camp-0902-1969-camaro-z28/16838470+soriginal/camp-0902-03-1969-camaro-z28-taillights.jpg

The only thing that bothered me with the previous iteration was the rear end. Now it's perfect, imo.

[Traum]

I can never figure out why anyone can put up with those window slits instead of having a proper windshield and side windows...

[J89]

That's a sexy ass muscle car :sweetjesus:

[Akinari]

Still has terrible visibility.

[broken_arrow]

I still like the mustang more...

[EvoLove]

Well then time to scrap the gt awc and get one of these :sweetjesus::megusta:

[xpl0sive]

305's on the front??? now thats wide

[Great68]

A day late and a dollar short.

The Boss 302 is gone for the 2014MY. While Chevrolet FINALLY refreshed the Gen5, Ford is working on an entirely new platform with IRS. By fall of 2014, the new Mustang will be out and it will be lighter and faster then the current S197 gen. Which already weighs less then the new 2014 Camaro. The Camaro also has a shitty interior that sucks ass. Ford is still on the top. The 2014 Shelby GT500 dominates ANY Camaro.

I was just thinking that. The BOSS is practically already out of production, and GM is just producing the Z/28 now?

[ae101]

can this thing even turn on corners :troll:

i actually like this car

[Gridlock]

I haven't liked a version of the new camaro yet.

This hasn't changed my opinion yet.

The body looks like it ate the roof. Almost like a bad, backyard chop top.

[BigBadWhitey]

A day late and a dollar short.

The Boss 302 is gone for the 2014MY. While Chevrolet FINALLY refreshed the Gen5, Ford is working on an entirely new platform with IRS. By fall of 2014, the new Mustang will be out and it will be lighter and faster then the current S197 gen. Which already weighs less then the new 2014 Camaro. The Camaro also has a shitty interior that sucks ass. Ford is still on the top. The 2014 Shelby GT500 dominates ANY Camaro.

Uh, no. The zl1 camaro was still faster around a track than the GT500 and the boss 302, so i wouldnt say its late or short. Good try shortround?
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca! - Head 2 Head Episode 3 - YouTube
Heres the boss being spanked by the zl1....

Ford Shelby GT500 vs Chevrolet Camaro ZL1! - Head 2 Head Episode 11 - YouTube
And heres the zl1 tracking faster than the gt500.

[beproud]

I wonder if they also incorporated the dry sump for the camaro

[Adrenaline Rush]

A day late and a dollar short.

The Boss 302 is gone for the 2014MY. While Chevrolet FINALLY refreshed the Gen5, Ford is working on an entirely new platform with IRS. By fall of 2014, the new Mustang will be out and it will be lighter and faster then the current S197 gen. Which already weighs less then the new 2014 Camaro. The Camaro also has a shitty interior that sucks ass. Ford is still on the top. The 2014 Shelby GT500 dominates ANY Camaro.

The GT500 has way more power and better acceleration than the ZL1, but in all the comparos I've seen, the ZL1 is faster around the track. Considering that the Z28 will probably be faster than the ZL1 around a track, here's to hoping that the new Mustang comes out with with decent power and handling.

It's a good time for enthusiasts that's for sure.

[BigBadWhitey]

I wonder if they also incorporated the dry sump for the camaro

I believe they did. They had the dealers order list online for a while that people got a hold of, with option orders and dry sump wasnt specified as an optional upgrade, so i assume it comes standard with the engine as the ls7 has previously. Considering it is their track oriented car, anything less that wouldnt be the norm.

[PJ]

God damn that's pretty.

I see what they're trying to do with the rear end, but like most people, the first thing I thought of was a prelude.

[dangonay]

Any new car with a 500HP V8 is bound to be garbage. /S
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[VRYALT3R3D]

The GT500 has way more power and better acceleration than the ZL1, but in all the comparos I've seen, the ZL1 is faster around the track. Considering that the Z28 will probably be faster than the ZL1 around a track, here's to hoping that the new Mustang comes out with with decent power and handling.

It's a good time for enthusiasts that's for sure.

Just the facts: 2013+ SHELBY GT500 VS 2012+ CAMARO ZL1 - YouTube

[VRYALT3R3D]

Uh, no. The zl1 camaro was still faster around a track than the GT500 and the boss 302, so i wouldnt say its late or short. Good try shortround?
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca! - Head 2 Head Episode 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4AH4DZtEI)
Heres the boss being spanked by the zl1....

Ford Shelby GT500 vs Chevrolet Camaro ZL1! - Head 2 Head Episode 11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-db7bX9LI)
And heres the zl1 tracking faster than the gt500.


http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/spootypuff/LagunaSecaLaptime.gif

The GT500 is even faster on the track then the Boss 302. 1:38.7 on Laguna Seca. So, it corners just fine :) And it did a better lap time on Laguna Seca then the ZL1 (1:39.18) See my above post and watch the video, fullscreen.

The ZL1 is intended to be the GT500's competitor.
The 1LE is intended to be the Boss 302's competitor.
The Z/28 is, well, I have no idea why they made it. It is expected to cost 65k+!!!!!

Most GT500 owners do not track their car, neither do ZL1 owners. Most owners are not capable of pushing their cars to its max abilities. I also think its silly to buy a car 100% based on magazine specs. You really have to test drive it to know.

I owned a Boss 302 Laguna Seca, and I have a GT500 on order. Before I bought my Mustangs, I looked at the ZL1 and actually test drove it. I came out feeling it was a great car, but the GT500 just felt slightly better in every way. Since most people, realistically don't track their cars, and since I don't plan on it, the GT500 was the better choice. Both the ZL1 and GT500 are prone to heatsoak, so neither are really a good choice for the track anyhow.

My gut feeling is, the Z28 will be faster then the GT500 on the track but it will cost the same as a new Z06. I don't know about you, but I rather have the Z06....

[BigBadWhitey]

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/spootypuff/LagunaSecaLaptime.gif

The GT500 is even faster on the track then the Boss 302. 1:38.7 on Laguna Seca. So, it corners just fine :) And it did a better lap time on Laguna Seca then the ZL1 (1:39.18) See my above post and watch the video, fullscreen.

The ZL1 is intended to be the GT500's competitor.
The 1LE is intended to be the Boss 302's competitor.
The Z/28 is, well, I have no idea why they made it. It is expected to cost 65k+!!!!!

Most GT500 owners do not track their car, neither do ZL1 owners. Most owners are not capable of pushing their cars to its max abilities. I also think its silly to buy a car 100% based on magazine specs. You really have to test drive it to know.

I owned a Boss 302 Laguna Seca, and I have a GT500 on order. Before I bought my Mustangs, I looked at the ZL1 and actually test drove it. I came out feeling it was a great car, but the GT500 just felt slightly better in every way. Since most people, realistically don't track their cars, and since I don't plan on it, the GT500 was the better choice. Both the ZL1 and GT500 are prone to heatsoak, so neither are really a good choice for the track anyhow.

My gut feeling is, the Z28 will be faster then the GT500 on the track but it will cost the same as a new Z06. I don't know about you, but I rather have the Z06....

So around the 1 track the mustang was designed based on, its faster on. Fair enough. Ive driven both mustangs and just not a fan. I prefer the magnetic ride in the zl1 or the vette, feels more stable on every day roads as well.

Also there is no way in hell a new z06 will come in the same price as the z28. The new c7 in base model form is going to cost around the 59K mark, and the z51 package costing a few k more. Considering the outgoing c6z is now going for about 75k for a basic packaged 2013, i dont see the c7 being any cheaper than that. Expect a 1lz to be 80+

[hk20000]

All I have to say is:

Holden Monaro-based
Independent
Rear
Suspension.

So this is going to be inherently better to drive than a Mustang whether you drive it at 100% or 10% of its capabilities. That prospect blows the Mustang out of the water already.

[VRYALT3R3D]

So around the 1 track the mustang was designed based on, its faster on. Fair enough. Ive driven both mustangs and just not a fan. I prefer the magnetic ride in the zl1 or the vette, feels more stable on every day roads as well.

Also there is no way in hell a new z06 will come in the same price as the z28. The new c7 in base model form is going to cost around the 59K mark, and the z51 package costing a few k more. Considering the outgoing c6z is now going for about 75k for a basic packaged 2013, i dont see the c7 being any cheaper than that. Expect a 1lz to be 80+

The c6z does not sell for 75k......The cheapest brand new c6z in Canada I found was 88k. And it only had 3k in options. MSRP was 98k.
I know the current pricing, because I was looking at one a few months ago.
http://i45.tinypic.com/15pqwr9.jpg

To clarify, I meant I would rather have a used Z06 for the same price as a new Camaro :)

[VRYALT3R3D]

All I have to say is:

Holden Monaro-based
Independent
Rear
Suspension.

So this is going to be inherently better to drive than a Mustang whether you drive it at 100% or 10% of its capabilities. That prospect blows the Mustang out of the water already.

The Camaro is based on the ZETA platform. So its Holden Commodore based, not Monaro based. The Commodore is a heavy full size sedan. The Mustang is on its own platform and weighs much less:

Curb weight: 3666 lb -- Mustang Boss 302
Curb weight: 3,852 lb-- '13+ GT500 Coupe
Curb weight: 4120 lb -- Camaro ZL1 (Weighs the SAME as a Ford Crown Vic cop car!)

It may have IRS, but its still a porker. Weight is the enemy.

:)

[BigBadWhitey]

Considernig the new z28 will weigh in at 300lbs less than the ZL1 i dont see it being an issue.

[hk20000]

a BMW M5 is heavier at 4288lb, and it's got impeccable handling, I don't see an issue.

[VRYALT3R3D]

a BMW M5 is heavier at 4288lb, and it's got impeccable handling, I don't see an issue.

As a track car, lighter=better.

You can feel the weight in turns. Reducing weight in a car increases fuel economy, reduces tire wear, increases handling and makes it quicker. The M5 is still a heavy car.

Even with 300 pounds off the heavy Camaro, it will weigh as much as the GT500 and still not as light as the Boss 302. Most of the complaints of the Camaro is the weight, and you can feel it in turns. I test drove a ZL1 and I felt it. In my Boss 302, it was a non-issue.

Nonetheless, the Camaro Z28 should be interesting. I think it a little late, imo.

I wonder if the issues with the LS7 will be fixed on the Z28, lol

[Yodamaster]

This has got to be my favorite looking new car so far, mainly because of the exterior updates. I like that the taillights look more like the original Camaro, the headlights don't look as bulky either.

[VRYALT3R3D]

This has got to be my favorite looking new car so far, mainly because of the exterior updates. I like that the taillights look more like the original Camaro, the headlights don't look as bulky either.

Yeah, it looks better :)

[vitaminG]

As a track car, lighter=better.

You can feel the weight in turns. Reducing weight in a car increases fuel economy, reduces tire wear, increases handling and makes it quicker. The M5 is still a heavy car.

Even with 300 pounds off the heavy Camaro, it will weigh as much as the GT500 and still not as light as the Boss 302. Most of the complaints of the Camaro is the weight, and you can feel it in turns. I test drove a ZL1 and I felt it. In my Boss 302, it was a non-issue.

Nonetheless, the Camaro Z28 should be interesting. I think it a little late, imo.

I wonder if the issues with the LS7 will be fixed on the Z28, lol


your talking like a GT500 is some lightweight track machine. I'd much rather have magnetic shocks and IRS for the track or the street then 75 HP and a bit less weight.

[VRYALT3R3D]

your talking like a GT500 is some lightweight track machine. I'd much rather have magnetic shocks and IRS for the track or the street then 75 HP and a bit less weight.

The Z/28 does not have magnetic susp.

The suspension does not get all the whiz-bang magnetic ride stuff from the ZL1, but specially tuned springs and shocks. This was done to cut weight as well as help better tune and separate the Z/28 from its supercharged sister car.
GMI First Look: 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/gmi-first-look-2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-a-117322/)

I didn't buy a GT500 because its good on a race track, most people don't either. It does hold its own pretty well though. I bought it because it is lightning fast on streets. And for 2k in mods, 700RWHP is possible and still manageable.

Anyways, I am interested when the real specs come out. The Camaro VS Mustang battle is getting pretty heated :)

[Tyler_P]

All I have to say is:

Holden Monaro-based
Independent
Rear
Suspension.

So this is going to be inherently better to drive than a Mustang whether you drive it at 100% or 10% of its capabilities. That prospect blows the Mustang out of the water already.
IRS doesn't matter as much as wide track, low cg/weight etc.

The tops cars in Grassroots Motorsports ultimate track car competition use Nascar chassis with different bodies. They use a truck arm rear suspension.

[vitaminG]

The Z/28 does not have magnetic susp.

i was referring to the ZL1

IRS doesn't matter as much as wide track, low cg/weight etc.

The tops cars in Grassroots Motorsports ultimate track car competition use Nascar chassis with different bodies. They use a truck arm rear suspension.

IRS isnt a big deal on a smooth race track. It makes a huge difference on the street when the pavement is less than perfect.

If youve ever driven a solid axle vehicle hard you know how upset the rear suspension can get from hitting even a small bump.

that said im not a huge camaro fan i think GT vs SS the mustang is better. i just think if youre spending 65k+ and have 550+ HP then you should get decent handling as well

[Timpo]

prelude rear...