[dinosaur]

Originally police said six were dead, they corrected themselves later and said five have died (children and adults).

It appears the driver of the white vehicle is in hospital and those in the other vehicle (black?) appeared to have all died upon impact. The only thing left is the engine.

Report said the impact and debris field is spread over a huge area....they even found a pair of sunglasses embedded in a light pole.

Area will be closed until 9pm tonight.

More details on horrific Surrey crash | Global News Video (http://globalnews.ca/video/517698/more-details-on-horrific-surrey-crash)

At least five people dead in Surrey crash | Global News Video (http://globalnews.ca/video/517580/at-least-six-people-dead-in-surrey-crash)

Looks terrible :(

RIP.

[StylinRed]

news1130 said the white vehicle was speeding and ran a red split the other car in two :(

[Harvey Specter]

Wow. Very sad RIP.

[Manic!]

Is that the way to the US boarder? I think I have driven that road a number of times when going to the states.

[Qmx323]

Minivan ran a red... damn...

RIP.

[dn53]

RIP

[dinosaur]

Is that the way to the US boarder? I think I have driven that road a number of times when going to the states.

yeah, it is...its flat...wide...and I don't think anyone drives the speed limit.

[JSALES]

that's really sad, RIP

[MaxinX]

RIP

[GLOW]

RIP :(

[Hondaracer]

There is one part there where if your coming out of the farm land and you want to head north you have to kind of blindly turn across the oncoming to get into the north bound lanes, when I worked out that way I saw at least 4 ppl tboned at the spot just before this light
Posted via RS Mobile

[R&R]

5 confirmed dead :S 3 adults and 2 children

[dinosaur]

Not often you hear the news anchor getting choked up on air...

[jepho]

so sad. RIP
and of course it sounds like the only survivor was the person driving the speeding van who ran the red.

[JesseBlue]

here i was complaining that i had to go around because it would be an inconvenience...
stay safe everyone..

[mercyboy]

my prayers goes out to their family

[GLOW]

so sad. RIP
and of course it sounds like the only survivor was the person driving the speeding van who ran the red.

that's what i was thinking too...

[Kaolinite]

i was wondering why 176th was closed around there on my way to get some gas in the states :(

[Gh0stRider]

Police initially thought six people were dead. They now say 3 adults and 2 children are dead. One man in his forties is in serious condition.

[firebird79_00]

Rip, was there another accident a couple blocks in off oak and broadway today as well? Thought I saw a body bag and it was blocked off too.
Posted via RS Mobile

[MindBomber]

so sad. RIP
and of course it sounds like the only survivor was the person driving the speeding van who ran the red.

His life might as well be over too though...

If he survives, he'll wish he was dead...

The accident was likely caused by nothing more than a momentary lapse of concentration on his part, i feel for him...

[xilley]

wtf is he thinking.. just sad. RIP to the innocent ones.

[FerrariEnzo]

Speed kills, people..

Please be careful, doesnt matter how good of a driver you are, you can not account for other peoples driving mentality....

SLOW DOWN!


RIP... poor young kids involved...

[adambomb]

The accident was likely caused by nothing more than a momentary lapse of concentration on his part, i feel for him...

Momentary lapse of concentration? :rukidding:

Carr said the van was travelling at such a high velocity it was found approximately 200 metres west of the intersection.

Read more: 2 children, 3 adults killed in Surrey car crash | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/2-children-3-adults-killed-in-surrey-car-crash-1.1257704#ixzz2Ro3waL99)

[originalhypa]

that's not far from my old house. Been there lots of times and its a horrible intersection for making a turn. people can get moving pretty fast heading down 176th and while most respect the lights, some don't.

RIP to the family.
this is one of my greatest fears.

:(

[MindBomber]

Momentary lapse of concentration? :rukidding:



Read more: 2 children, 3 adults killed in Surrey car crash | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/2-children-3-adults-killed-in-surrey-car-crash-1.1257704#ixzz2Ro3waL99)

Yes, a momentary lapse of concentration.

The speed limit is 80km/h and the average speed is 100-110km/h on 176th, making the average speed sufficient to create that degree of damage (as I understand). Given this, I do not see the driver as severely negligent (ie. drunk), and I afford him, his family, and his friends the same degree of sympathy as all the other victims involved. I will not condemn a person for a minor mistake, one we've all made. I've no interest in further debating this topic with you or anyone else, pm me if you really feel the need to respond.

[Soundy]

News Hour right now says the red car was so destroyed, they can't even tell what kind it was.

The speed limit is 80km/h and the average speed is 100-110km/h on 176th, making the average speed sufficient to create that degree of damage (as I understand). Given this, I do not see the driver as severely negligent
The white van was westbound on 32ndm, blew through the red and hit the red car. The speed limit on 32nd there is 60km/h. The van ended up 200m past the intersection. The speed involved must have been insane - if that driver wasn't negligent, then you must have a whole new definition for the word. Based on information so far, it doesn't sound like the driver on 176th was at fault at all, nor was his speed even relevant.

[dangonay]

Yes, a momentary lapse of concentration.

The speed limit is 80km/h and the average speed is 100-110km/h on 176th, making the average speed sufficient to create that degree of damage (as I understand). Given this, I do not see the driver as severely negligent (ie. drunk), and I afford him, his family, and his friends the same degree of sympathy as all the other victims involved. I will not condemn a person for a minor mistake, one we've all made. I've no interest in further debating this topic with you or anyone else, pm me if you really feel the need to respond.
Why debate in PM? Afraid you're going to be proven wrong? The details so far suggest a very high rate of speed, far above the posted limit of 80km/h. The driver made two mistakes - driving too fast and running a red (if that's true). Only one of those is a "momentary lapse", the other is downright negligence.

Speed kills, people..

Please be careful, doesnt matter how good of a driver you are, you can not account for other peoples driving mentality....

SLOW DOWN!


RIP... poor young kids involved...

Ssshhhhhh. You're not allowed to say "speed kills" on RS. You'll get a bunch of people claiming the speed limits are too slow, that modern cars are so much better designed they can drive faster or that sports cars can defy the laws of physics. Then you'll get the other group that brings up statistics about the causes of accidents, noting that speeding is way down the list and try to claim speeding doesn't kill without realizing that we're talking about two completely different things (the cause of the accident and the results of the accident). The cause is running the red light, the result (extent of damages and injuries) is directly related (exponentially, I might add) to vehicle speed.

[dinosaur]

Why debate in PM? Afraid you're going to be proven wrong?

I don't think Mindbomber is concerned about "being proven wrong" nor is he known for shying away from a mature debate.

My hope for this thread is that it doesn't turn into a huge debate and I am sure that is why mb requested that should you take issue, you do so over PM or start a new thread.

[impulse777]

Not trying to get into a political discussion here but this will certainly be a topic during tomorrow's debate seeing as how just yesterday cristy clark admitted to blowing a red with her kid in the car and brushing off the signifance of the act by stating " hahaha it was 5 am" (just saw the clip on the news few minutes ago) sort of indicating that running a red is only wrong if you get caught. Poor family and relatives.

[quasi]

Tragic situation, I'm going to hug my kids a little tighter tonight.

[dinamix]

So sad. The red car probably never saw it coming. I always use caution when I roll through an intersection. Regardless if I have the green or not. Too red light runners these days

[MR_BIGGS]

Quite sad listening to the reporter describe the events of the crash and knowing there are bodies under those tarps.

[Akinari]

Holy shit, RIP. Not sure if it's the recording, or if the reporter in the second link is emotionally unstable as it appears her voice is rather shaky.

[mb_]

RIP and condolences to those involved. I go through that intersection sometimes when I pick up my mom/brother from work and whenever I go down south. Very sad.

[dinosaur]

Not trying to get into a political discussion here but this will certainly be a topic during tomorrow's debate seeing as how just yesterday cristy clark admitted to blowing a red with her kid in the car and brushing off the signifance of the act by stating " hahaha it was 5 am" (just saw the clip on the news few minutes ago) sort of indicating that running a red is only wrong if you get caught. Poor family and relatives.

yeah, i saw that this morning. had to rewind it and watch again because i was SURE nobody would be that dumb. guess i was wrong.

saw the news about this crash and thought about what Clark said....a little sickening...

[rsx]

fuck. senseless!

[Mr.C]

And the worst thing is, if it is proven the van ran the red light, he'll get a fucking slap on the wrist.

Pisses me off.

[jack3d]

i find it hard to accidently blow thru a red light, yellow ok but red means you were trying to speed up and catch the light. feel sorry for the other car that got hit, this guy literally couldnt have done anything to prevent this which is bullshit

[dangonay]

I don't think Mindbomber is concerned about "being proven wrong" nor is he known for shying away from a mature debate.

My hope for this thread is that it doesn't turn into a huge debate and I am sure that is why mb requested that should you take issue, you do so over PM or start a new thread.
Why shouldn't this be a debate? There are many issues to discuss that are relevant. The facts about how fast everyone was going, whether drugs/alcohol were involved or if anyone ran a light will come out soon.

- Should a person get a pass on killing 5 people if they make a "mistake"?
- Is speeding a mistake? How about excessive speeding?
- Should people driving under the influence get a more severe penalty?
- What if the car that got hit is in the wrong, but because of the other driver speeding excessively an accident occurred where one normally wouldn't have if they were going the speed limit? I was once found not at fault for changing lanes and striking another car because they were speeding excessively and closed the gap between us faster than was reasonably expected.

What good does it do people on RS if members debate something privately through PM's? The whole point of a forum is for people to share so everyone can discuss or debate issues. Someone could bring up very good points in a discussion - should those be kept private?

If anything MB could have suggested starting a separate thread to discuss issues leaving the main thread for condolences. To me that makes far more sense than "this is what I think and if you don't like it take it up privately".

[Soundy]

Not trying to get into a political discussion here but this will certainly be a topic during tomorrow's debate seeing as how just yesterday cristy clark admitted to blowing a red with her kid in the car and brushing off the signifance of the act by stating " hahaha it was 5 am" (just saw the clip on the news few minutes ago) sort of indicating that running a red is only wrong if you get caught. Poor family and relatives.

Funny, I saw the same interview and didn't get that at all... came across more like "yeah I did it, but it was 5am, not like it was rush hour". Wonder how many of those making a big deal out of it have never committed a minor traffic infraction and gotten away with it?

People are only making a big deal out of it because of this other crash. Without that, it would have been little more than a footnote.

[dinosaur]

Funny, I saw the same interview and didn't get that at all... came across more like "yeah I did it, but it was 5am, not like it was rush hour". Wonder how many of those making a big deal out of it have never committed a minor traffic infraction and gotten away with it?

People are only making a big deal out of it because of this other crash. Without that, it would have been little more than a footnote.

I dont think people are making big deal of it because of the recent accident. Clark running the stop sign was reported this morning....no doubt this will add to the story, but I thought it was a huge deal before this.

[impulse777]

Funny, I saw the same interview and didn't get that at all... came across more like "yeah I did it, but it was 5am, not like it was rush hour". Wonder how many of those making a big deal out of it have never committed a minor traffic infraction and gotten away with it?

People are only making a big deal out of it because of this other crash. Without that, it would have been little more than a footnote.

I agree and it came across the same way to me but it's reported that her son said "my mom always does that" wich if true changes things. I'm not trying to make it a big deal its just mesmerising looking on at how the 'ish just always seem's to land right at her feet at the most inopportune time.

[Anjew]

I agree and it came across the same way to me but it's reported that her son said "my mom always does that" wich if true changes things. I'm not trying to make it a big deal its just mesmerising looking on at how the 'ish just always seem's to land right at her feet at the most inopportune time.

she thinks shes above the law. :rukidding:

[Xu.Vi]

RIP to the individuals...good wake up call for those who drive "dangerously".





On a side note, how come you're so eager to slap down your E-d*ck and prove the guy wrong? Make use of that fail button instead of provoking someone in a thread that is clearly dedicated to the accident. Better yet, take his suggestion and PM.

Why debate in PM? Afraid you're going to be proven wrong? The details so far suggest a very high rate of speed, far above the posted limit of 80km/h. The driver made two mistakes - driving too fast and running a red (if that's true). Only one of those is a "momentary lapse", the other is downright negligence.

[Harvey Specter]

So sad.

More details of Surrey accident: A great loss and very shocking tragedy.
The 5 people killed today in a car accident in South Surrey belongs to Sachdeva family of Surrey, who owns SACHDEVA SWEETS. Jolly Sachdeva's old mother, wife Rina Sachdeva, sister Neelam are among dead including Jolly's 5 year old son Aneesh and 3 year old daughter Jasica. They are returning back home after joining satsang at Dera Radha Swami Beas, Surrey (Located at 2934-176th Street, Surrey).

[Soundy]

I dont think people are making big deal of it because of the recent accident. Clark running the stop sign was reported this morning....no doubt this will add to the story, but I thought it was a huge deal before this.

Okay, it was actually a stop LIGHT... and she didn't "run" it, if the story is to be believed: she STOPPED for it, there was nobody else around (being 5am), so she went ahead without waiting for the green. REALLY not the same thing, and REALLY not a big deal. For all we know, they could have been sitting waiting for ten minutes without the light changing - who here HASN'T gone ahead if a signal isn't working properly and the road is clear?

If you're going to get bent out of shape about something, at least get bent about the right story.

And not to keep dragging politics into this thread, but as slimy as I think Dix is, at least I gotta give him props for not jumping all over this:
Election day is fast approaching, but the leader of the NDP is refusing to take a shot at his opponent Christy Clark for running a red light.
Adrian Dix says there are more important issues voters must consider than Clark's driving habits.
"The Liberals as you know, ran a very significant number of very negative ads on the SkyTrain thing. I'm not going to engage in that kind of thing."
Dix is referring to an incident last year in which he was caught on SkyTrain without a ticket.
The red light revelation first came to light in Saturday's Vancouver Sun, with an article recounting Clark playfully running a red -- with no cars around -- due to encouragement from her young son.
Clark says she shouldn't have run the light, and shouldn't have with her son in the car.
"But you know what, I work hard to be a great parent and I'm not a perfect parent. And so, I shouldn't have done it."
In the story it sounds like this is something Clark does frequently -- she says that's not true.

Meanwhile, back on topic: all the witness accounts so far are that the white minivan in this instance was going EXTREMELY fast, and probably didn't even slow down when approaching the red. So yeah, really no relevance between the two stories.

[Mr.C]

Meanwhile, back on topic: all the witness accounts so far are that the white minivan in this instance was going EXTREMELY fast, and probably didn't even slow down when approaching the red. So yeah, really no relevance between the two stories.

Not surprised; I was looking at the pictures, and daaaaamn, was that a rough impact. The only other time I've seen any car get disintegrated like that was when some kids lost control of a Fiat @ 200ish km/h; I doubt that van can even reach those speeds, but who knows? Is that part of 32nd downhill?

[snails]

im around that intersection the majority of the week, it is a very high speed intersection, 176 is easily a 120km/h road, especially coming down the hill northbound, and 32 is also a pretty smooth road with not much traffic, it was really just a matter of time before this happened.

always sucks so hear a story about this, can really open your eyes to how quick bad judgment can go wrong. RIP

[dinosaur]

Okay, it was actually a stop LIGHT... and she didn't "run" it, if the story is to be believed: she STOPPED for it, there was nobody else around (being 5am), so she went ahead without waiting for the green. REALLY not the same thing, and REALLY not a big deal. For all we know, they could have been sitting waiting for ten minutes without the light changing - who here HASN'T gone ahead if a signal isn't working properly and the road is clear?

If you're going to get bent out of shape about something, at least get bent about the right story.

And not to keep dragging politics into this thread, but as slimy as I think Dix is, at least I gotta give him props for not jumping all over this:


Meanwhile, back on topic: all the witness accounts so far are that the white minivan in this instance was going EXTREMELY fast, and probably didn't even slow down when approaching the red. So yeah, really no relevance between the two stories.

dude man, relax. i was half asleep when i wrote that....stop sign...red light...as i was typing it i felt it was wrong but didn't care enough to edit it. regardless, she broke the law and when you are running attack ads going after someone else who broke the law you damn well better make sure you're a fucking saint.

as i said, when i saw the story yesterday morning, i thought it was a big deal as her "aloofness" to the situation was sickening.

stand down, mate.




Aaaaaaaaand, back on topic.

It is always so sad when you hear the names of these victim. It makes it that more personal when you hear and think about their life. Such a loss :(

[twitchyzero]

Okay, it was actually a stop LIGHT... and she didn't "run" it, if the story is to be believed: she STOPPED for it, there was nobody else around (being 5am), so she went ahead without waiting for the green.

Does traffic cameras snap a photo in these cases? Or are they only activated for a set amount of time after the light has turned red and only if the car in question was speeding through?

[dinosaur]

Does traffic cameras snap a photo in these cases? Or are they only activated for a set amount of time after the light has turned red and only if the car in question was speeding through?

Almost 100% positive they snap a pic for the duration of the red light.

[Manic!]

Parents tell me the family in the van owned a Indian restaurant and sweet shop in Vancouver.

[Presto]

Parents tell me the family in the van owned a Indian restaurant and sweet shop in Vancouver.

There was an earlier post in this thread that said it was members of the Sachdeva family that got killed. It was the owner's wife, sister, mother, and two children. Sachdeva Sweets is their business, and it looks pretty good from all the positive reviews: Sachdeva Sweets & Restaurant | Surrey (http://dinehere.ca/surrey/sachdeva-sweets-restaurant)

[StylinRed]

Okay, it was actually a stop LIGHT... and she didn't "run" it, if the story is to be believed: she STOPPED for it, there was nobody else around (being 5am), so she went ahead without waiting for the green. REALLY not the same thing, and REALLY not a big deal. For all we know, they could have been sitting waiting for ten minutes without the light changing - who here HASN'T gone ahead if a signal isn't working properly and the road is clear?

even with my friends during our high school joy ride days if we came across something like this a friend would jump out of the car and hit the crosswalk light or we'd make a right turn and pull a U and that was as stupid teenagers
heck I think we've all come across the situation of a long red in the middle of the night (5am is a bit too busy imo) and I thought most people had the sense to run out and hit the crosswalk, I've seen it done by other drivers countless times (i just wait it out though im in no hurry if im out that late)
always found running the light to be beyond stupid regardless of the time and level of traffic

[van_city23]

There was an earlier post in this thread that said it was members of the Sachdeva family that got killed. It was the owner's wife, sister, mother, and two children. Sachdeva Sweets is their business, and it looks pretty good from all the positive reviews: Sachdeva Sweets & Restaurant | Surrey (http://dinehere.ca/surrey/sachdeva-sweets-restaurant)

yup, thats them. Very sad story. The shop is closed and ppl are leaving flowers and notes at the door. I don't know how the father/husband is handling this, can't even imagine it.

[Soundy]

Does traffic cameras snap a photo in these cases? Or are they only activated for a set amount of time after the light has turned red and only if the car in question was speeding through?

Almost 100% positive they snap a pic for the duration of the red light.

AFAIK there are no cameras at that intersection.

[- kT]

sad when one idiot's stupidity leads to the harm/death of innocent people. especially when they're kids

rip, condolences to the father/husband :(

[AzNightmare]

even with my friends during our high school joy ride days if we came across something like this a friend would jump out of the car and hit the crosswalk light or we'd make a right turn and pull a U and that was as stupid teenagers
heck I think we've all come across the situation of a long red in the middle of the night (5am is a bit too busy imo) and I thought most people had the sense to run out and hit the crosswalk, I've seen it done by other drivers countless times (i just wait it out though im in no hurry if im out that late)
always found running the light to be beyond stupid regardless of the time and level of traffic

The only red I sometimes "run through" is that BS light on King Edward, turning right/merging into Kingsway.
Such a redundant light. Even then, I rarely ever run it cause I'm paranoid of the Police, and I'm really in no rush.
I've had people honk me though, because they're probably unaware that there's a light there, or they just don't care.

[SSM_DC5]

The only red I sometimes "run through" is that BS light on King Edward, turning right/merging into Kingsway.
Such a redundant light. Even then, I rarely ever run it cause I'm paranoid of the Police, and I'm really in no rush.
I've had people honk me though, because they're probably unaware that there's a light there, or they just don't care.

you need to review the driving book. Correct me if i'm wrong, but there are no signs there restricting you from turning right on a red or one that indicates that the traffic light is strictly for turning right.

[Soundy]

you need to review the driving book. Correct me if i'm wrong, but there are no signs there restricting you from turning right on a red or one that indicates that the traffic light is strictly for turning right.

No such no-right-on-red sign as of the time Street View went through: kingsway & king edward - Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/4kcvE)

[Oleophobic]

The only red I sometimes "run through" is that BS light on King Edward, turning right/merging into Kingsway.
Such a redundant light. Even then, I rarely ever run it cause I'm paranoid of the Police, and I'm really in no rush.
I've had people honk me though, because they're probably unaware that there's a light there, or they just don't care.

I don't think there's a need to be paranoid...
It's a red light which means you can turn right when it's safe. Treat it like any normal red light. Now if there's a no right turn on red sign, then that would be different.

You can replace it with a stop sign I guess but then you will have people slowing down for no reason when they actually have a protected right turn (ie. when kingsway westbound gets the protected left turn) so the green light is there to help with traffic flow.

[dinosaur]

According to global:

They were just visiting the temple to pray for the 5 year old boy whose birthday it was. The father was at home waiting to celebrate with the cake and birthday balloons...

gutting....absolutely gutting.

[MeowMeow]

According to global:

They were just visiting the temple to pray for the 5 year old boy whose birthday it was. The father was at home waiting to celebrate with the cake and birthday balloons...

gutting....absolutely gutting.

Wow I actually just teared up reading that
RIP
I sincerely hope that guy who ran the red gets jail time if he survives.

[subordinate]

The only red I sometimes "run through" is that BS light on King Edward, turning right/merging into Kingsway.
Such a redundant light. Even then, I rarely ever run it cause I'm paranoid of the Police, and I'm really in no rush.
I've had people honk me though, because they're probably unaware that there's a light there, or they just don't care.

I use to have this mindset, then think....What if a cyclist roars past.
And you didn't do a full stop, even for a sec.

As that ICBC commercial went, when you slow down, you see more of the road. A mindset that more drivers need to have.

And saw on news as well, they interviewed an engineer that said, the van must have been going at least 120 km. That's nuts.

[GabAlmighty]

And saw on news as well, they interviewed an engineer that said, the van must have been going at least 120 km. That's nuts.

Bahahahaha

[AzNightmare]

you need to review the driving book. Correct me if i'm wrong, but there are no signs there restricting you from turning right on a red or one that indicates that the traffic light is strictly for turning right.

I don't think there's a need to be paranoid...
It's a red light which means you can turn right when it's safe. Treat it like any normal red light. Now if there's a no right turn on red sign, then that would be different.

You can replace it with a stop sign I guess but then you will have people slowing down for no reason when they actually have a protected right turn (ie. when kingsway westbound gets the protected left turn) so the green light is there to help with traffic flow.

Now that you mention it, you're right, there is no "No-Right-Turn-on-Red" sign.
That's a confusing intersection... considering the light is angled toward King Edward.

[subordinate]

Now that you mention it, you're right, there is no "No-Right-Turn-on-Red" sign.
But now this comes to my mind. Who is that red light for?
Why is it angled toward King Edward?
You can clearly see there's another set of lights for the traffic along Kingsway.

This is confusing, and I want to get to the bottom of this.

When it's green, it allows cars to directly merge onto kingsway without stopping at the stop sign.

Guess they can't just have a green light there, so they make it the complete red, yellow, green, display

[entrax]

According to global:

They were just visiting the temple to pray for the 5 year old boy whose birthday it was. The father was at home waiting to celebrate with the cake and birthday balloons...

gutting....absolutely gutting.

that's just really gut wrenching. i can't even comprehend how the father is dealing with this. i honestly teared up reading this.

just found the source for the father/birthday/cake/balloons:
http://globalnews.ca/video/521356/investigators-release-surrey-crash-details

"birthday balloons were still inside the house today as relatives were grieving"

[AzNightmare]

When it's green, it allows cars to directly merge onto kingsway without stopping at the stop sign.

Guess they can't just have a green light there, so they make it the complete red, yellow, green, display

Yeah, I get it now that I read those posts again.
Just don't think I've seen another intersection like that before.

If this is the case, then I don't think I need to worry about turning right on those red lights anymore.

[dark0821]

According to global:

They were just visiting the temple to pray for the 5 year old boy whose birthday it was. The father was at home waiting to celebrate with the cake and birthday balloons...

gutting....absolutely gutting.

i am speechless, I was just talking to my mom about this... this hits really really hard, I just became a father myself, and just thinking about losing my daughter, fiancee, mother is absolutely heart wrenching...

my sincere sincere sincere condolences to the father/husband. I hope someday somehow he comes out of this and start to "live" again, because I think any normal person probably died mentally when the police showed up to serve up the news that you didnt want to hear...

[Harvey Specter]

Long stretches of road really freak me out especially late at night. You can be extra cautious at the lights but there's not much you can do when once you've entered the intersection and there's another car coming at you at a high rate of speed.

And it sounds like the driver is going to survive, he'll most likely not remember anything so it'll be up to the police, icbc and witnesses to piece what happen and bring up charges. I doubt that will do much for the victims husband/father, I did here that he has two other childern, twins?

[Soundy]

And saw on news as well, they interviewed an engineer that said, the van must have been going at least 120 km. That's nuts.

Bahahahaha
What's funny about that? Speed limit on 32nd there is 60, but it's a long, flat, straight stretch and would be easy to hit that speed, even in a Caravan.

[Hondaracer]

Terrible.
Posted via RS Mobile

[Hakkaboy]

RIP :(

Reminds me of this accident in Singapore, but maybe (hopefully) not as negligent

Original Footage Ferrari 599 GTO Crash A Taxi Kills 3 Tragic Accident Singapore - YouTube

[danny_d19]

holy fuck ^^

[FerrariEnzo]

RIP :(

Reminds me of this accident in Singapore, but maybe (hopefully) not as negligent

Original Footage Ferrari 599 GTO Crash A Taxi Kills 3 Tragic Accident Singapore - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dTSuXtRYcY)
yea this was awhile ago.. the douche mainlander killed 2 japanese women tourist and the driver of that taxi..

[Harvey Specter]

^
and people were blaming the taxi driver even though the 599 driver was at fault, excessively speeding and was supposedly drunk.

[JSALES]

According to global:

They were just visiting the temple to pray for the 5 year old boy whose birthday it was. The father was at home waiting to celebrate with the cake and birthday balloons...

gutting....absolutely gutting.

that's just sad, really sad. I can't imagine how the father is going to be able to cope with this

[Graeme S]

So to everyone who was hoping for this guy to get "appropriate justice"...

Driver in Surrey crash that killed 5 dies in hospital - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/06/bc-surrey-fatal-crash-driver-dies.html?cmp=rss)

I'd quote it but I'm on my phone.

[dinosaur]

wow...was not expecting that.

i'm not going to lie...thats a pretty big let down but on the other side, i don't have enough faith in our system to give an appropriate sentence.


I wonder if they are going to explain this in more detail:

"Police say that Daniel Gore, 46, passed away Sunday afternoon after undergoing surgery for "a condition that was discovered as a result of being critically injured in the accident."

[dangonay]

^ He was already on deaths bed. Probably discovered something when doing x-rays or other tests. Maybe something like a tumor or heart condition. Must have been severe if they operated in the condition he was in.
Posted via RS Mobile

[Soundy]

Brain condition may have caused Surrey crash that killed family | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/538341/sole-survivor-of-fatal-surrey-crash-passes-away-in-hospital/)

The crash that killed five members of a family in Surrey may have been caused by an undiagnosed brain tumour that caused the driver who hit them to run a red light, according to his lawyer.

Police said 46-year-old Daniel Gore, who was the sole survivor of the horrific crash, died in hospital Sunday.

The Langley father of two passed away following surgery for a brain tumour that was discovered as a result of being critically injured in the accident.

Gore’s family lawyer said his children didn’t even know about the tumour, and now family and friends are wondering whether it caused him to pass out or have a seizure when he was behind the wheel that day.

Doctors will now try to establish whether the brain tumour was a contributing factor to the accident.

The investigation into this accident continues as police work to establish all contributing factors to the accident.

At the time of the crash Gore was driving a rented vehicle after his own car was destroyed recently when he was rear-ended.

B.C. court records do not show any speeding or traffic violations for him and his children say he was typically a very cautious driver.

According to his lawyer, Gore was on his way to his job at a major grocery chain, where he worked as a meat cutter.

His lawyer said he was not late for work, which was a few kilometres away, and had 30 minutes to spare before his shift.

Pawandeep Arjot, her young children, Annish and Jessica, her sister-in-law Neelam Dhingra, and her mother-in-law Vidya Sachdeva were killed when Gore allegedly failed to stop at a red light and collided with the Corolla.

Witnesses said he was driving at speeds of 120 to 150 kilometres an hour at the time of the crash.

“It remains a possibility that maybe we will not have an answer to all the specific questions for the families,” said Cpl. Bert Paquet. “For closure involved we hope to connect the dots… we definitely owe it to families involved.”

Gore was never interviewed by police in hospital and was never told he was accused of killing five people. It’s something his friends say would have destroyed him.

The funeral for the five victims was held last Friday, attended by hundreds of family and friends.

[punkwax]

If it's true that the tumour caused this then a real tragedy just turned even more tragic.

RIP.

[Integgyy]

i call bullshit, just trying to clear his name.

[dinosaur]

such a sad sad story...appears to be tragic for ALL involved.

[dinosaur]

i call bullshit, just trying to clear his name.

you're a fucking douche bag.

[Gridlock]

Yes, a momentary lapse of concentration.

The speed limit is 80km/h and the average speed is 100-110km/h on 176th, making the average speed sufficient to create that degree of damage (as I understand). Given this, I do not see the driver as severely negligent (ie. drunk), and I afford him, his family, and his friends the same degree of sympathy as all the other victims involved. I will not condemn a person for a minor mistake, one we've all made. I've no interest in further debating this topic with you or anyone else, pm me if you really feel the need to respond.

I think you are owed an apology.

[MindBomber]

I think you are owed an apology.

I personally thought the driver may have suffered a heart attack, stroke, seizure, or something of that sort, but didn't feel it was appropriate to speculate given such tragic circumstances. I hope the widowed husband and father can take some solace in the knowledge negligence didn't cause the accident.

May the victims rest in peace.

Never forget the fragility of life, seize and appreciate every opportunity you have with those you love.

[dinamix]

i call bullshit, just trying to clear his name.

You have a point. There's no a way a seizure or a un-diagnosed tumor can cause you to run a red light. I also find this hard to believe .

[Gridlock]

People are so quick to make judgments from their keyboards..places like rs and reddit can slay someones name in minutes.

Thank you for being a voice of reason(once again:-)

[MindBomber]

My Opa and Oma died in a car accident in December; Opa was driving and had a heart attack (revealed during an autopsy), it was ruled the reason he lost control. Opa and Oma's car struck another car, we met the driver's husband, and learned she suffered only relatively minor injuries. The loss was very sudden, I'm still dealing with it emotionally. I always return to the other driver being okay, though, and feel a bit better. The 32nd Driver's family will always return to their family member, ultimately, causing the death of 5 people. I can't imagine the pain that would accompany coming to terms with that knowledge. Let's not drag 32nd Driver's name through the dirt; it will not bring back the victims, it will not comfort either family, it will cause further pain to one.. there's no point.

[Senna4ever]

I'm sorry for your loss, MindBomber. I miss my grandparents everyday too.

[A-Dev]

You have a point. There's no a way a seizure or a un-diagnosed tumor can cause you to run a red light. I also find this hard to believe .

My younger brother has epilepsy. When someone is having a seizure they are complete unresponsive and have ZERO control of their body. All their muscles go stiff and shake uncontrollably.

I would say that it would be very easy for someone having a seizure to mash the gas pedal and speed through an intersection.

[BurnoutBinLaden]

^
and people were blaming the taxi driver even though the 599 driver was at fault, excessively speeding and was supposedly drunk.

He was a princeling (offspring of the original CCP leaders) was he not?

[dinamix]

My younger brother has epilepsy. When someone is having a seizure they are complete unresponsive and have ZERO control of their body. All their muscles go stiff and shake uncontrollably.

I would say that it would be very easy for someone having a seizure to mash the gas pedal and speed through an intersection.

I don't think you would be able to get your license if you were a risk of epilepsy.
You have to be medically fit to drive. You are risking the lives of those and everybody around you. My sister has anxiety and she can faint uncontrollably , so she chose not to get her license.

[GabAlmighty]

What's funny about that? Speed limit on 32nd there is 60, but it's a long, flat, straight stretch and would be easy to hit that speed, even in a Caravan.

I think 120 is a very conservative estimate judging by pics of the debris.

[snails]

I don't think you would be able to get your license if you were a risk of epilepsy.
You have to be medically fit to drive. You are risking the lives of those and everybody around you. My sister has anxiety and she can faint uncontrollably , so she chose not to get her license.


wtf are you talking about, many at risk drivers slip through the cracks and get their license when they are hardly capable of backing up a car.

my aunt is about 45 now, she had never had any sign of epilepsy her entire life, about 2 years ago she began to have them completely at random, in the past 2 years she has had 3 i believe, her first one could have easily been behind the wheel of a car :rukidding:

[GabAlmighty]

I don't think you would be able to get your license if you were a risk of epilepsy.
You have to be medically fit to drive. You are risking the lives of those and everybody around you. My sister has anxiety and she can faint uncontrollably , so she chose not to get her license.

My ex-gf has epilepsy and has been operating a motor vehicle for years. Albeit, it's a mild form but every now and then she has been know to "black out".

[dinosaur]

wtf are you talking about, many at risk drivers slip through the cracks and get their license when they are hardly capable of backing up a car.

my aunt is about 45 now, she had never had any sign of epilepsy her entire life, about 2 years ago she began to have them completely at random, in the past 2 years she has had 3 i believe, her first one could have easily been behind the wheel of a car :rukidding:

Same with my mom. When she was 55-ish she had her first....has only had one other one but is still allowed to drive.

Not ALL people are born with conditions and having an unexpected seizure at the wheel is no different than having a heart attack....or stroke...or aneurysm.

This case comes down to a very tragic chain of events and some might even say, bad luck. SIX people died and it looks like there is nobody to blame but fate. I hope that this news brings some form of comfort to the father\husband knowing that there was no malice involved.


On another note, Mindbomber, I am very sorry to hear of your loss. That is truly a gut wrenching thing to go through :(.

[gdoh]

Just found out that my neighbour knew the guy who ran the light, he was his hockey coach, and said that he is the nicest guy ever. Taught him to skate and play hockey.

[westopher]

You have a point. There's no a way a seizure or a un-diagnosed tumor can cause you to run a red light. I also find this hard to believe .
Are you fucking that stupid? Jesus Christ man. Medical conditions often cause car accidents and its been proven. Its not like its the guaranteed reason here, but due to the circumstances ruling it out is foolish.

[dinamix]

Are you fucking that stupid? Jesus Christ man.

Im just saying the chances are very slim.
Posted via RS Mobile

[westopher]

Saying there is no way, and the chances are slim are two very different things. Which is it?

[dinamix]

Very slim.Posted via RS Mobile

[originalhypa]

Very slim.Posted via RS Mobile

Have a good read about this fellow.
Charles Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whitman is best known as the University of Texas shooter where he climbed a tower and for 90 minutes picked off random people with a sniper rifle until he was killed by the police.

This is where it gets interesting.....
The autopsy, which had been requested by Whitman himself in his suicide notes, was approved by his father. Dr. Chenar discovered a tumor which he labeled as an Astrocytoma, which he noted as being approximately the size of a pecan. Further in his report, he describes the tumor as having a small amount of necrosis, and concluded that the tumor had no effect upon Whitman's actions the previous day. (However this result was later revised by the Connoly Commission)

Long story short they concluded that,
this lesion "conceivably could have contributed to his inability to control his emotions and actions."

We know so little about the brain that it would be ignorant of us to not recognize that this sort of thing happens.

RIP to all in a situation that keeps getting sadder, and sadder.

[dinamix]

I want to see how this plays out. It's going to be an interesting case when it hits the courts. This could start new precedents in the justice system.

RIP to all involved. ITs a sad case all around. i live a few blocks from the crash site and i can see how one can have a lapse in judgemt whether it not seeing the light ,glared by the sun or just plain missing it altogether . 176th is pretty much a highway. I see people speed through that road all the time. It's not surprising that something like this had to happen.

I will my visit the site and pay my respects tonight when I go for my walk.

[quasi]

You have a point. There's no a way a seizure or a un-diagnosed tumor can cause you to run a red light. I also find this hard to believe .

I don't know what caused this accident and it might have been driver error and not a medical condition but that statement as a whole is full of wrong.

I've been in the vehicle with an epileptic with a drivers license and had them go into convulsions at a red light, no way I can be convinced it can't happen because I've witnessed it first hand.

[dn53]

My brother is an epileptic and legally he cannot drive. I don't know how or why you've been in a car with one cause it would be one of the scariest things ever. It doesn't happen frequently but my brother sometimes blanks out with a lifeless gaze and when he snaps out of it he has no idea what just happened till I tell him. Anyway rip
Posted via RS Mobile

[westopher]

I can think of three of my friends who are epileptic and are legally allowed to drive. I'm sure its a case by case basis. Regardless, this isn't about that. Its about the fact that very clearly, there are instances where medical issues are to blame for accidents.

[dinosaur]

dont feed the troll, guys

[A-Dev]

I think dinamix is missing the point I was trying to prove. I used epilepsy as an example of what happens when someone has a seizure. Yes my brother is legally not allowed to drive.

I was trying to point out that a brain aneurysm which can cause a seizure could easily result in a devastating accident such as this one. Which is exactly what this was, a devastating ACCIDENT.

[dinosaur]

a devastating ACCIDENT.

I think this pretty much sums up the situation.

[Soundy]

I want to see how this plays out. It's going to be an interesting case when it hits the courts. This could start new precedents in the justice system.
"Hits the courts"?? What the fuck is the justice system going to do? EVERYONE INVOLVED IS DEAD. Who are you going to charge??

RIP to all involved. ITs a sad case all around. i live a few blocks from the crash site and i can see how one can have a lapse in judgemt whether it not seeing the light ,glared by the sun or just plain missing it altogether . 176th is pretty much a highway. I see people speed through that road all the time. It's not surprising that something like this had to happen.
ASSUMING for a moment, that a brain tumor WASN'T behind the speed involved and that the person was in full control of his faculties when driving that fast... this man was on 32nd Ave, not 176th. The speed limit FOR HIM was 60km. Going 120+ in a 60km/h zone is NOT a "lapse in judgement" no matter how you slice it.

Second, he was westbound in the morning or late morning. The sun would have been high overhead. There would be no "glare".

Third, he drove that route regularly to work - I highly doubt he could have "just missed it". ASSUMING, again, that he was actually in full control of his faculties.

I will my visit the site and pay my respects tonight when I go for my walk.
Please don't. There's the chance you may encounter relatives or friends of those involved, and if your comments here are any indication, I'd say you're extremely likely to say something highly offensive to them. FOR THEIR SAKE, just stay the fuck home.

[dinamix]

"Hits the courts"?? What the fuck is the justice system going to do? EVERYONE INVOLVED IS DEAD. Who are you going to charge??



ASSUMING for a moment, that a brain tumor WASN'T behind the speed involved and that the person was in full control of his faculties when driving that fast... this man was on 32nd Ave, not 176th. The speed limit FOR HIM was 60km. Going 120+ in a 60km/h zone is NOT a "lapse in judgement" no matter how you slice it.

Second, he was westbound in the morning or late morning. The sun would have been high overhead. There would be no "glare".

Third, he drove that route regularly to work - I highly doubt he could have "just missed it". ASSUMING, again, that he was actually in full control of his faculties.




Please don't. There's the chance you may encounter relatives or friends of those involved, and if your comments here are any indication, I'd say you're extremely likely to say something highly offensive to them. FOR THEIR SAKE, just stay the fuck home.

I'm pretty sure the family can sue his insurance

Thanks.you just reinforced my arguments.

Too late. Done. . Like a give 2 shits what you want.lol

Can't believe you took the time to write all That.

Troll has been fed. Thanks ,I'm full now. Lololol