[Euro7r]

Second time in the past two weeks, my mother has informed me two males have come into our property. First time was around 10pm-ish and the lights went on and they left. Tonight, they came and said they were Church people and wanted to share the Gospel.

Who the hell comes late at night like this and shares the Gospel, obviously scoping out my home and hoping someone would open the door to break in. Two males driving a truck and it's only my home they come to.

It's dark at night and couldn't get any description of car/plate number to call police. What's the best option I should proceed with?

I also need to get gates put up on both sides of my house, maybe that's the factor that is causing my home to be a target?? Having no side gates put up? Anyone can assist with getting gates put up?

[MeowMeow]

I think you should call the police and explain the situation anyways. Maybe the cops can get information from your neighbours.
My neighbor went through home intrusion years ago and his mom experiences mild PTSD till this day.
Hope everyone's safe & wish you luck with everything

[i-vtecyo]

Did they knock on ur door tonight, or did u go out to confront them? fences would help but not by that much. Im assuming u have thoes sensor lights that turn on when they get within range? If not, install thoes + maybe a surveillance camera. For the next couple of days maybe leave one light on at night so when they come back, they still think ur awake. Also call the non emergency line and let them know.

[Euro7r]

Did they knock on ur door tonight, or did u go out to confront them? fences would help but not by that much. Im assuming u have thoes sensor lights that turn on when they get within range? If not, install thoes + maybe a surveillance camera. For the next couple of days maybe leave one light on at night so when they come back, they still think ur awake. Also call the non emergency line and let them know.

They rang the door bell tonight. Yes, we have security sensor lights all around the house. My neighbors security lights go off too when someone walks by. My mother is watching TV with lights on.......

[holyshit]

I don't have any real advice but may I ask where your neighborhood is located?

[SkinnyPupp]

Get their license # if you can. I pulled up on someone about to break into my house before, and I stupidly didn't get the license plate so was pretty much useless to the police.

[rsx]

Yeah, alert the non-emergency hotline. Maybe they can reroute patrol cars to scope out your neighbourhood. I would even leave a note for the neighbours alerting them of suspicious activity. In the end, everyone is going to be more vigilante and your neighbours might give the cops a call if they see someone breaking in.

Be safe.

[Euro7r]

Get their license # if you can. I pulled up on someone about to break into my house before, and I stupidly didn't get the license plate so was pretty much useless to the police.

That's the tough part. It's happened twice late at night when it's dark outside, can't see plate #, unless I somehow get outside without being spotted to get their plate number.

[Euro7r]

Yeah, alert the non-emergency hotline. Maybe they can reroute patrol cars to scope out your neighbourhood. I would even leave a note for the neighbours alerting them of suspicious activity. In the end, everyone is going to be more vigilante and your neighbours might give the cops a call if they see someone breaking in.

Be safe.

I don't have plate # and any sort of solid description. Police won't be able to do much? I am just sharing the information based on what my mother told me. I'm gonna let my neighbors around me know about it tomorrow.

[LiquidTurbo]

What neighbourhood is this?

[Euro7r]

What neighbourhood is this?

Between DT/Killarney Area

[rsx]

Yeah that's tough, but it wouldn't hurt to give a vehicle description and occupants. Like I said, maybe dispatch can note it and if there are cops in the area they can just drive by.

If you don't live with your parents, drop by every now and then at those times. Seems most home invasions target the elderly.

[LiquidTurbo]

Maybe install cams?

[Gerbs]

Between DT/Killarney Area

I had people come in and ask if we needed more security of something and would help us set up cameras LOL by the 49th vic area.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Get a dog and by dog I mean a Big dog like a husky that can bark.
Usually when people try to scope your house and knows you have a dog they usually stay away form it.

[dark0821]

damn killarney area eh... -.- thats where I live... like 45th and kerr ish

good luck to the OP though... situations like this is always tough, maybe put up those alarm sticker on the front door... you know those square ones that says
"this house uses ******* security"

and if your house have it.. great.. leave it on... I can set up my alarm to a custom mode, which means that all activity inside the home are ignored by the system, but if a window/door opens, the alarm sounds... my parents are paranoid and always uses this when all of us are home....

[spideyv2]

That's scary, OP

Please...stay safe

[Euro7r]

Maybe install cams?

Looking into getting that after this incident.

[Euro7r]

damn killarney area eh... -.- thats where I live... like 45th and kerr ish

good luck to the OP though... situations like this is always tough, maybe put up those alarm sticker on the front door... you know those square ones that says
"this house uses ******* security"

and if your house have it.. great.. leave it on... I can set up my alarm to a custom mode, which means that all activity inside the home are ignored by the system, but if a window/door opens, the alarm sounds... my parents are paranoid and always uses this when all of us are home....

I have to check if there are stickers put up. It's not of use if it's at night time, since it's dark, no one will notice something like that.

[Renthal]

place these items outside your front door:
-used size 15 work boots
-old issues of guns and ammo magazines
-giant dog food bowl with animal parts in it
-NRA sticker on mailbox


notify the police and get a security camera and maybe upgrade the door locks?

[SkinnyPupp]

That's the tough part. It's happened twice late at night when it's dark outside, can't see plate #, unless I somehow get outside without being spotted to get their plate number.
Don't worry about being spotted. Thieves are cowards. If they know you're onto them, they will probably move on to an easier target. In this case, it's better to let it be known you are onto them. You don't have to confront them, but you can and should go after them and record any info you can. Take pictures of them if you want, even when they are doing the fake religious thing...

[trollface]

You need a SKS.

[fliptuner]

They have doorbell and motion activated cameras that will take pics/vid of people at your front door - you should look into it. I know there are a few people on RS who install such systems or advise you on your options.

Short of that, we should have poker night at your house. Some of us can bring our dogs too, if you want.

[Euro7r]

They have doorbell and motion activated cameras that will take pics/vid of people at your front door - you should look into it. I know there are a few people on RS who install such systems or advise you on your options.

Short of that, we should have poker night at your house. Some of us can bring our dogs too, if you want.

My door bell doesn't do that :pokerface:. It doesn't take pictures, but it shows who's at my front door on the display screen.

[twitchyzero]

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[SupraTTturbo2jz]

call the cops and tell them what happened. Similar thing happened to my mother's business, I followed the guy back to his apartment on foot. He came into our yard saying "he lost his gold necklace" fucking idiot right? I think him and another person were trying to scope out my property.

One time during the evening, came up to my door and tried to open by turning the knob, and during that time my dad heard the door so he went to look out the window and the guy just walks away. The cops parked across the street watching my property for a week straight after to catch them but unfortunately it did not happen again

[dee242]

make sure hang up a confederation flag n hang up a sign saying this home doesn't call 911

[godwin]

4CH Security DVR are really cheap these days.. $100 is a good investment even as deterrence.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Don't beat them up if they break in: Markham residents charged with critically injuring break and enter suspect | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/04/26/markham_residents_charged_with_critically_injured_ break_and_enter_suspect.html)

[CorneringArtist]

Don't beat them up if they break in: Markham residents charged with critically injuring break and enter suspect | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/04/26/markham_residents_charged_with_critically_injured_ break_and_enter_suspect.html)

I love this. Only in Canada the break in victim will get in more shit for trying to prevent their property from being stolen than actually letting their shit get taken. Sometimes, American legal policy does it right with castle/stand-your-ground laws, even if it can get gun happy.

[dvst8]

Send the surveillance vid to the cops. They might be able to identify them. Also capture a picture of them and pass them around the neighbourhood to setup a block watch.

[Euro7r]

Don't beat them up if they break in: Markham residents charged with critically injuring break and enter suspect | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/04/26/markham_residents_charged_with_critically_injured_ break_and_enter_suspect.html)

I am not a police, but I assume that unless I am physically provoked/attacked (fearing life in danger), I can attack back and beat the crap out of them? If I am the one to first hit them, I would be the one getting charged?

[melloman]

...... Common sense?

-Call the VPD non-emergency line.
-Say there have been suspicious people coming by your home late at night, almost every night of the week.
-Say you feel as if they might be people coming by to "scope out" your house for a robbery because their reasons of why they're are there so late are ridiculous. (Make sure you mention what they say they're there for, and at what time)

VPD should atleast be informed... They will hopefully then send a few extra units a night around your neighborhood. You might not be the only one they are targetting in the neighborhood.

[Euro7r]

Definitely going to look at setting up more security measures. My home doesn't even look like there's anything to steal. Looks like every other home down the neighborhood. If anything, I would think they would attempt my neighbors house, they got like 6 cars to the family (Got cash?)

[melloman]

I am not a police, but I assume that unless I am physically provoked/attacked (fearing life in danger), I can attack back and beat the crap out of them? If I am the one to first hit them, I would be the one getting charged?

Cop: How'd this man get injured so bad?
Citizen: "He fell down a flight of stairs"
Cop: But you only have 2 stairs out front.
Citizen: "Yup, he fell down them" :pokerface:

[Gridlock]

Will it help? No...but CALL THE COPS.

Of anything, and this is sad, it gets recorded as an incident, and tied to your address. Meaning when they pull up maps of activity in planning routes, or statistics, or assigning officers or whatever else they do in terms of planning, you are there.

Once again, its one little icon on a map with a footnote, but if someone has targeted you, then they have targeted others. That one extra patrol for a PO may be the one that leaves you with a broken door, as opposed to a broken door, empty house and traumatized family member.

Other than that, take a look around your house and see what areas you are weak in. Then fix them. Super high level:

Bushes by windows-huge thing. You basically take it from breaking in with 60 seconds, and make a nice screen so they can take an hour.

Lights-light it up. Seriously, whats a few hours with an electrician putting in a few non-obtrusive security lights? Get it done.

Cameras---are useless. They make people feel better, and that's about it. Here is the one scenario where they help. They catch a guy somewhere else, and they may, possibly, say, "oh look, you are this guy too". We have cameras at one of our buildings, and the guy was there for an hour trying to steal a motorcycle. Full face shots, multiple cameras...nothing. In my opinion, its a nice add-on to a security setup, but don't base it off of them. All you do is end up watching the crime happen in playback at remarkable resolution.

Locks-If there is glass anywhere near the deadbolt, then you need the dual keyed lock type so you can't smash the glass and open the door. Steel reinforced door jamb with a plate to prevent shimying the lock open. Ugly? Kind of. But effective. Picture a 200lb baddie giving the boots to your door, repeatedly. He doesn't care about damage. Wants in. Now stop it, with large fucking bolts and steel. Oversize everything.

Windows-bars on all ground accessible windows..basements and such. You want to slow them down. Especially anything at the side of the house where visibility is nil.

Hope that helps!

[punkwax]

Cameras---are useless. They make people feel better, and that's about it. Here is the one scenario where they help. They catch a guy somewhere else, and they may, possibly, say, "oh look, you are this guy too". We have cameras at one of our buildings, and the guy was there for an hour trying to steal a motorcycle. Full face shots, multiple cameras...nothing. In my opinion, its a nice add-on to a security setup, but don't base it off of them. All you do is end up watching the crime happen in playback at remarkable resolution.

Just because you had one incident where video didn't help, doesn't make cameras useless. Especially since you claim that the evidence was in remarkable resolution. Now the police have filed his image and if someone matching that description is involved in a crime, they may show that image to a victim etc. You have no idea how much those images might help, and you may even get a call one day that he was apprehended for another crime.

Normally video IS useless when people invest in a $100 DVR (like someone else suggested). You might get lucky and catch a good frame but a lot of those machines are garbage. If you're looking for a deterrent, sure, grab a Costco system. If you're looking for usable video evidence, call a security professional.

[fliptuner]

Don't beat them up if they break in: Markham residents charged with critically injuring break and enter suspect | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/04/26/markham_residents_charged_with_critically_injured_ break_and_enter_suspect.html)

I love this. Only in Canada the break in victim will get in more shit for trying to prevent their property from being stolen than actually letting their shit get taken. Sometimes, American legal policy does it right with castle/stand-your-ground laws, even if it can get gun happy.

I'll keep taking my chances. :die: :victory:

[Euro7r]

I called the police and filed a report. Even though, there's not enough solid evidence to assist them, it can allow them to be more aware if similar incidents have happened around the neighborhood.

[Gridlock]

Just because you had one incident where video didn't help, doesn't make cameras useless. Especially since you claim that the evidence was in remarkable resolution. Now the police have filed his image and if someone matching that description is involved in a crime, they may show that image to a victim etc. You have no idea how much those images might help, and you may even get a call one day that he was apprehended for another crime.

Normally video IS useless when people invest in a $100 DVR (like someone else suggested). You might get lucky and catch a good frame but a lot of those machines are garbage. If you're looking for a deterrent, sure, grab a Costco system. If you're looking for usable video evidence, call a security professional.

LOL. I was waiting to see how long before a reaction to that :)

OK, maybe "useless" was harsh, but I certainly wouldn't want to say that a camera forms the basis of a security system.

Sure, its a deterrent.

But anytime you have a picture of a crime taking place on camera, it has failed. So now you are left to catch the guy after the fact. A dubious goal at best based on the ability to determine identification and find him. Sure! Absolutely, its better than no picture at all, but I'd prefer the person couldn't do what they intended to do first, rather than have a picture of them walking through my front door.

I personally like locks(expensive locks), lights and landscaping for deterrents to crime. After those were accomplished, and I really wanted something pretty, I'd buy some cameras.

[Euro7r]

I'll keep taking my chances. :die: :victory:

Maybe I can whip out a chainsaw and wake up the entire neighborhood to get everyone's attention. They won't come back :fuckyea:

[XplicitLuder]

I was thinking couldn't you just confront em? Next time they come around just tell em what the fuck r you doing here at 10pm? (Or w/e time) tell them you call bullshit on their religious crap and you've informed the police about suspicious activity. And don't forget to swear every other word it makes you look tough :troll:

But in all seriousness... Is that a good or bad thing to do?
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[fliptuner]

first time:
http://www.gameranx.com/img/11-Nov/get-off-my-lawn.jpg

second time:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef014e5f48a9f8970c-500wi

[Euro7r]

I was thinking couldn't you just confront em? Next time they come around just tell em what the fuck r you doing here at 10pm? (Or w/e time) tell them you call bullshit on their religious crap and you've informed the police about suspicious activity. And don't forget to swear every other word it makes you look tough :troll:

But in all seriousness... Is that a good or bad thing to do?
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They can either back off and be afraid that police are informed. Or they could get pissed and come back for revenge :pokerface:

[Psykopathik]

print your own "Protected by AlarmForce home security" stickers. paste them on all your doors

[BurnoutBinLaden]

I always wondered how effective AlarmForce is...

[melloman]

print your own "Canadian Gun Nutz" stickers. paste them on all your doors

http://www.firearmscourse.com/index_files/CanGunNutz.gif

[StylinRed]

call 911... describe the car and suspects... do so immediately if they ever show up again...

[StylinRed]

I love this. Only in Canada the break in victim will get in more shit for trying to prevent their property from being stolen than actually letting their shit get taken. Sometimes, American legal policy does it right with castle/stand-your-ground laws, even if it can get gun happy.

american thieves sue their victims all the time.. that's where all the stories have come from down south

Judge dismisses killer?s lawsuit that sought to sue victim?s widow | Q13 FOX News (http://q13fox.com/2013/04/12/killer-sues-victims-widow-from-prison/#axzz2Rt2VNmBq)

Burglar sues Calif. homeowner, 90, who returned fire - Crimesider - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57540638-504083/burglar-sues-calif-homeowner-90-who-returned-fire/)

Accused Burglar Sues Homeowner Who Shot Him | WISN Home - WISN Home (http://www.wisn.com/Accused-Burglar-Sues-Homeowner-Who-Shot-Him/-/9374034/8033366/-/hc1wtlz/-/index.html)

Only in America...burglar sues victim from jail - Virginia Beach Conservative | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/only-america-burglar-sues-victim-from-jail)

so do brits

Burglar dies after falling from top-floor window following confrontation with homeowner | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474025/Burglar-dies-falling-floor-window-following-confrontation-homeowner.html)

list can go on and on

sorry i just cant stand people slamming the justice system and going america hell yeah! when its so far from the truth

[tool001]

^ so what i get from these stories, is ,, if somebody breaks into your house,,, make sure they leave in a body bag,, or else they will sue u??

[noventa]

^ so what i get from these stories, is ,, if somebody breaks into your house,,, make sure they leave in a body bag,, or else they will sue u??

no. unless you are American. Are you American?

[godwin]

Not to nit pick.. but it has to be a legal American resident living in the 50 States of America.

no. unless you are American. Are you American?

[threezero]

To be honest if someone has the mindset to get into your house they will doesnt matter what you do to try to prevent it, assuming that your not hoarding valuable in your house that people know about all you can really do is make your house a harder target for common everyday thief's and druggies.


Get a Dog, Get a beware of dog sign, get a security system with flashing lights. Have irregular schedule.

provided that your house isn't a ocean 11 style targeted hit any potential thief will just either

-do a really primary stakeout at which point they will realize there is easier target
-test their faith by just trying to break in at which point they will discover your dog or ur security system, being un prepare will just give up and try a easier target


now if you have the repeated break in where the guys are strategically testing weak points in your security system, you really need to look into which one of your friends that ratted you out and remove the said valuable from your house and make it known to that friend.


nobody puts that much effort into breaking into a house unless they know you have more than the regular household items inside the house.

[Euro7r]

To be honest if someone has the mindset to get into your house they will doesnt matter what you do to try to prevent it, assuming that your not hoarding valuable in your house that people know about all you can really do is make your house a harder target for common everyday thief's and druggies.


Get a Dog, Get a beware of dog sign, get a security system with flashing lights. Have irregular schedule.

provided that your house isn't a ocean 11 style targeted hit any potential thief will just either

-do a really primary stakeout at which point they will realize there is easier target
-test their faith by just trying to break in at which point they will discover your dog or ur security system, being un prepare will just give up and try a easier target


now if you have the repeated break in where the guys are strategically testing weak points in your security system, you really need to look into which one of your friends that ratted you out and remove the said valuable from your house and make it known to that friend.


nobody puts that much effort into breaking into a house unless they know you have more than the regular household items inside the house.

I have to admit, there are some weak points of my home; however, I do not have any valuables at home or anything outside that makes our home a target. Hell, we are still using a 27'' CRT TVs in all our rooms. No one dresses flashy or carry any "Bling" as we aren't that type.

Only thing valuable is my appliance and leather sofa! :pokerface:

[StylinRed]

maybe they think you're homes a grow op maybe they got some bad information

otherwise i dont think the common burglar would make so many attempts

[Ludepower]

^ so what i get from these stories, is ,, if somebody breaks into your house,,, make sure they leave in a body bag,, or else they will sue u??

^ Yup

Same with officers...they're told to shoot to kill...not shoot to injure in case the criminal might sue.

[RRxtar]

http://www.firearmscourse.com/index_files/CanGunNutz.gif
and clean your remington 870 in front of the front window with the lights on and the blinds open every evening for 2 weeks.

[AzNightmare]

Anyone telling him to get a dog is bad advice...
Unless he already planned to get a dog and prepared to take care of one,
Getting a dog for this sole purpose is dumb.
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[Soundy]

Just because you had one incident where video didn't help, doesn't make cameras useless. Especially since you claim that the evidence was in remarkable resolution.
To clarify, cameras ARE useless to STOP something like this... but the video MAY help track the guy down afterward, or aid in prosecution, IF you have a sufficient system, and more importantly, if it's properly designed and installed.

Your $100 DVR or $400 cameras-and-DVR package setup is likely going to be a waste of money, if for no other reason than the cameras are trying to do everything and thus really don't do any one thing well.

Instead of crappy cheap IR "night vision" cameras (night vision, what a joke), I usually recommend a decent (or better) "true day/night" camera, placed beside or near a motion-activated flood light: first of all, if someone is creeping around, a bright light blasting on is more often than not going to simply scare them away. Second, the natural reaction to a light coming on is to look toward the source of it to see if someone has spotted you... and bingo, you have a nice, straight-on, well-lit face shot.

If you're looking for usable video evidence, call a security professional.
Bingo. Ditto for an alarm system. In both cases, if the system isn't installed properly, it won't work properly... or at all.

The suggestion of an alarm system with a "Stay" feature is a good one - basically you arm it in "Stay" mode when you come in (or program it to auto-arm), which arms all perimeter sensors (doors and windows, generally) while leaving motion sensors in bypass mode, so you can move around the house without triggering it.

[Hehe]

I think prevention is more crucial.

These guys probably checked OP's mom place a few times already. They often do that to understand the pattern or daily routine of the family living in any particular house.

If OP's mom lives alone, I'd suggest OP moves back to stay for a few days.

Then it's about a piece of mind... get some home insurance against theft (if OP's mom hasn't) and move valuable/meaningful items out of house for a while.

[Euro7r]

I think prevention is more crucial.

These guys probably checked OP's mom place a few times already. They often do that to understand the pattern or daily routine of the family living in any particular house.

If OP's mom lives alone, I'd suggest OP moves back to stay for a few days.

Then it's about a piece of mind... get some home insurance against theft (if OP's mom hasn't) and move valuable/meaningful items out of house for a while.

These fuckers are burglars for sure. All dressed up in black, both carrying black backpacks. Leave and jump into their car and leave after my mom told them she wasn't interested hearing about it. Most likely stolen car if anything. If they were really preaching the gospel, they would walk on foot home by home.

[BrRsn]

and clean your remington 870 in front of the front window with the lights on and the blinds open every evening for 2 weeks.

I prefer mossberg 500 but yes, this will work.

Or rig up a sensor light to play the pump action sound everytime it goes off :troll:

[Yodamaster]

http://i.imgur.com/EvLouzK.jpg?1

[threezero]

Anyone telling him to get a dog is bad advice...
Unless he already planned to get a dog and prepared to take care of one,
Getting a dog for this sole purpose is dumb.
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while this is true, nothing beat a k9 for security purpose and k9 have earn their place amongst men since era ago for its ability to warn and deter. the most advance security system can and do fail, anything install by humans can be uninstall by humans. ask any professional thief and they will tell you they rather deal with a fort knox level security system than an unpredictable yappy Chihuahua not to mention a 110 pound growling rottweiler. Yes it is possible to disable an untrained dog but its not as simple as cut x wire to disable y system. If the dog is trained (i.e., protection trained) its damn near impossible to get around it short of shooting it. When thief goes that far you have a much bigger problem on your hands than losing a tv.


Of course dog ares a much bigger responsibility than paying set amount of money to install a security system but what will provide you with security AND unconditional love :D

Another alternative is to borrow a frd's dog for awhile, if its not a ongoing problem just having a dog there for a little while would help. Had a lot of break in in my neighborhood throughout the year and my houses and my neighbors have all been safe, just having the presence of a dog really helps.

[trollface]

Still think you need a SKS, or two.

[AzNightmare]

while this is true, nothing beat a k9 for security purpose and k9 have earn their place amongst men since era ago for its ability to warn and deter. the most advance security system can and do fail, anything install by humans can be uninstall by humans. ask any professional thief and they will tell you they rather deal with a fort knox level security system than an unpredictable yappy Chihuahua not to mention a 110 pound growling rottweiler. Yes it is possible to disable an untrained dog but its not as simple as cut x wire to disable y system. If the dog is trained (i.e., protection trained) its damn near impossible to get around it short of shooting it. When thief goes that far you have a much bigger problem on your hands than losing a tv.

:lol
I get what you're saying.
But damn, if you're dealing with thieves that have that amount of disarming training,
you must be a bank or something for them to target you.

[Mr.Money]

they sell these on the "local" black market
http://tiwibzone.tiwib.netdna-cdn.com/images/brass-knuckles-tazer.jpg
http://www.carlsonmeissner.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/taser.jpg

how much do you think you're security is worth?

[threezero]

they sell these on the "local" black market
http://tiwibzone.tiwib.netdna-cdn.com/images/brass-knuckles-tazer.jpg
http://www.carlsonmeissner.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/taser.jpg

how much do you think you're security is worth?

this is for self defense not home security ==

[VRYALT3R3D]

this is for self defense not home security ==

So you think a camera is going to stop a criminal? lol

[threezero]

So you think a camera is going to stop a criminal? lol

hello. the camera has lights and record their movement and deter potential thieves from even entering the premise when they see one.

nobody knows you have a stun gun until they have actually break into your house, and which point you have to be close for the stun gun to actually work. To add to that the perp may have a gun with bullet that travels faster than you legs. honestly if it gets to this point even a baseball bat is as effective as a stun gun.

but your right to an extent, nothing will stop a determine criminal.

i take this back if you asking op to walk around outside his house playing with his stun gun 24/7

[SkinnyPupp]

If a thief sees a camera, dog, alarm system, or knows you know about them, 9 times out of 10 they'll move to a different target. And the more of those things you have, the better. Unless they are specifically going for something in your house, they will usually give up if it's too difficult or dangerous to rob it.

[CorneringArtist]

I prefer mossberg 500 but yes, this will work.

Or rig up a sensor light to play the pump action sound everytime it goes off :troll:

:pokerface:
Saw - The Quadruple Shotgun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy8hp938RMw)

[T4RAWR]

Property Crime:

Most likely these guys are trying to commit a property crime, a residential break and enter to be specific. The scoping of the house from the yard and the "door checks" (attempts to see whether the door is secured or not) are common indicators. They may be also assessing the types of locks you have and whether or not a secondary door guard is present (i.e. door chain).

I don't think that their intention is to do a home intrusion/invasion. Mainly based on the fact that they've scoped out the house on multiple occasions and overall seem very sloppy. People who do home intrusion/invasions generally scope the house out once and decide whether or not to invade the home.

MO

Any specific identifiers that you can recall would aid the police in catching the individuals. It seems like they have a vehicle (a truck) and work in pairs. They target during the night and have a cover story (religion) for coming onto the property. You should try to recall as much detail as possible including but not limited to suspect(s) descriptions, vehicle description, time of day, day of the week, frequency, etc...

CPTED

People have suggested getting cameras, installing lights, fences, etc... These are all good suggestions. These will not prevent the possibility of crime occurring. What they are suggesting is called 'target hardening' and is one of the principles of 'Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design'. Essentially what you are doing is securing your premises enough that it will deter suspects from committing a property crime and moving elsewhere.

Home Defense

Please read the relevant sections of the criminal code of canada for information on home/self defense.

Defence of Person - Section 34
Defense of Property - Section 38

If you have further concerns about your rights to defend yourself or your property I would suggest talking to a lawyer. There is free legal advice available over the phone and I strongly suggest that you speak with a person not read legal advice on the internet. Ignorance of the law is not a defence in a court of law.

My Suggestions

Keep a watchful eye out. Try to stay home at night if possible especially if your mother is home alone. If you need to leave the house have some sort of check in system so that you can call the house periodically to make sure everything is ok at home.

Develop a plan/strategy incase a home invasion or break and enter does occur. Rooms in the house where you can lock the door and have access to a phone to call 911 or if possible running to the neighbors house while calling 911. Notify your neighbors that there are suspicious individuals in the neighborhood and provide them with a description. They may have seen them before and might be able to provide pertinent information to assist the police in apprehending the criminals.

Security cameras do help. If you can invest in them I strongly suggest you do. Often times video footage or images, even at crappy resolution will aid police in their investigation. It is often the case that a still image is extracted and a police officer recognizes the individual(s). Property crime offenders are generally habitual meaning that they are chronic offenders. There is a good chance that they are in the system and have been arrested on previous charges.

Do not try to confront them. Physical altercation should be best avoided unless necessary. They may have contagious diseases which may be transferred to you.

If they are using a truck/vehicle they are most likely going after larger items. Items such as televisions, computers, tools, equipment, etc are popular items to target for break and enters where vehicles are involved. I would suggest that you take pictures of your items and also note the serial numbers (if available) so that in the event of a theft occurring you can provide the information to both police and your home insurer.

Guns

This is a somewhat touchy subject in the recent light of events. I love guns and am a big proponent of them but don't suggest using them for home defense except in the most dire circumstances. An SKS is a poor choice for home defense. The 7.62x39 round will most likely penetrate multiple walls and could cause collateral damage such as entering your neighbors homes or hitting a car on the street. A 12 gauge pump action shotgun would be the best choice for home defense. 00 buck shot will have more than enough stopping power to put an intruder down without risk of penetration exceeding the confines of the premises. I would personally take a mossberg over a remington. Recently the quality of remington has gone down and the 870 express shotguns as pictured by Yoda have had failure to eject issues. A mossberg 500 would be an alright choice, even a mossberg 88 security (shorter barrel) would be good. If you can foot the bill I would go for a benelli supernova which is my personal choice for a 12 gauge.

A caveat must be made that you need to train in your house with the tools you plan on defending it with. Grabbing a shotgun and expecting to run and gun through the house counter-strike style is foolhardy at best. Knowing where what is and how to clear the rooms in the house is important. Operating a firearm under pressure is different than shooting one at the range.


Whatever you go with make sure you post an update here OP and good luck.

[finbar]

There's nothing like the sound of racking a shell into a pump action shot gun.
Piss puddle cleanup.

[sdubfid]

Locks-If there is glass anywhere near the deadbolt, then you need the dual keyed lock type so you can't smash the glass and open the door. Steel reinforced door jamb with a plate to prevent shimying the lock open. Ugly? Kind of. But effective. Picture a 200lb baddie giving the boots to your door, repeatedly. He doesn't care about damage. Wants in. Now stop it, with large fucking bolts and steel. Oversize everything.

Windows-bars on all ground accessible windows..basements and such. You want to slow them down. Especially anything at the side of the house where visibility is nil.

Hope that helps!

I agree with this but are there fire code rules for this? People in the basement trapped by bars and can't find the key to get out in a panic?

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

Coincidentally speaking of all this and my above post, the same guy that came into my yard last year or so walked straight jn again today. I was on the phone and as soo as he saw me he quickly turned and walked back out to the main road. I followed him for a bit but lost him. He went and scoped out other yards of small businesses.

The guy looks about late 20's or mid 30s, caucasion, glasses, tattoo of words or symbols in a line on his right lower calf, and about 170-190lbs. Anyone see this fagggor around let me know. Gonna be reportin it tomorrow morning.
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[Euro7r]

^where about are you? I asked the police if there were any similar situations around my area, he said nothing yet.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

South surrey! Last time they had a patrol car parked across from my house but no luck
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[van_city23]

I had a dude walk into my drive way just as i pulled up and he said he was looking for the ppl in the basement. We don't have our basement rented out. A week later, my grandmother told me someone was in our backyard scoping out the scene i assume. A few days later the guy i first saw in my drive way tried breaking into the basement side of the house. He probably thought we had it rented out and wouldn't notice but that's actually the area where me and my brother chill out in. Anyways, i see him through the window and he bolts for the street. Me and my brother chased him down the street about half a block and just as that happens a cop pulled up and got him and us. Explained the situation to the police, realized how stupid it was to chase him in the street. Anyways, the police said the guy was known to do this and is in and out of jail. They sent another investigator to take prints off the window and door. After that, never heard of the situation again, never called to see what happened to the guy. One cop that i knew through volunteering did say that he won't come back to our house because ppl like him look to make a quick break and enter and don't want to put in work. Anyways, he also told me that if we caught him on the street and hit him or anything, it would technically be battery. Be smart and safe!

Our house is fairly new and the security system on the inside was all set but the outside still had to have the cameras installed which was done about a week after this incident. Cameras don't really stop it from happening but they do prevent common thieves from coming due to the amount of work they will have to do to make a quick buck.

[Mr.Money]

^^^..it's only illegal if they catch you.....you & you're bro could have beat this guy senseless to not remember anything :troll:

[Presto]

^^^..it's only illegal if they catch you.....you & you're bro could have beat this guy senseless to not remember anything :troll:

And those stairs. They seem to be everywhere, and are tripping hazards! Not my fault that thieves are clumsy on their feet. :troll:

[elwell]

I live in the killarney area too, within the past 3 months i had random dudes walking into my back yard during the day time and once a pair try to break into the front window

[l2_narain]

Crime Maps - Vancouver Police Department (http://vancouver.ca/police/CrimeMaps/index.htm)

Updated every Wednesday (usually) for last week incidents.
TFA - Theft from Auto
RBNE - Residential Break and Enter
CBNE - Commercial Break and Enter
TOA - Theft of Vehicle (car was stolen from..)

There's also crime alerts you can sign up from postal codes which gives you information if there's something going on in your neighbourhood and mugshots of wanted people/crimes via crime stoppers

[Euro7r]

I asked the police what my rights are if hypothetically someone entered my premises or broke in. He said it's trespassing if they are on your property if it's 9pm-6AM (if I recall the time) and you are entitled to call the cops if they don't leave.

If someone broke in, you can beat the crap out of them, but not beat them to till they die :fullofwin: You are self defending your own "turf" and just say that, you live with women and protecting them as an act of self-defense. I said that, I didn't want to get charged with assault and sued for attacking someone and he said those cases are to the extreme, only in the states. Big guys MMA style guys on the theives or pulling out a gun on them to the point they are clinging to the edge of their life type of thing.

In the end, he recommends not attacking them as you don't know if they will whip out a gun or carry some disease and pass it onto you. Call the police ASAP if anything.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

anyone know of affordable good quality HD residential cameras? I was looking at logitech alert cameras

[godwin]

Go to ebay and search for CCTV with D1 resolution capability. Once you installed one of them you will realize the field of vision is really small for any camera.. 5m x 5m max, so get as many channels as you can afford.. I would say for a 2 garage house with a yard.. 16 cameras should just cover it.

anyone know of affordable good quality HD residential cameras? I was looking at logitech alert cameras

[Soundy]

Go to ebay and search for CCTV with D1 resolution capability. Once you installed one of them you will realize the field of vision is really small for any camera.. 5m x 5m max, so get as many channels as you can afford.. I would say for a 2 garage house with a yard.. 16 cameras should just cover it.
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D1 is not HD, it's barely above VGA.