[TheStig]

http://www.autoblog....-turbo-s-debut/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/03/2014-porsche-911-turbo-and-turbo-s-debut/)

At the heart of the new Turbo is a rear-mounted, turbocharged, 3.8-liter flat-six engine, making use of twin, variable-turbine-geometry turbos. For the standard Turbo, the result is 520 horsepower, a 0-60 miles per hour sprint of 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 196 mph. Not quick enough you say? Well, Porsche will also happily sell you a Turbo S with 560 horsepower, 0-60 mph in just 2.9 seconds and a top speed of 198 mph. Impressively, Porsche also notes that the Turbo S will dispatch the Nürburgring Nordschleife (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/nurburgring+nordschleife/) in "well under 7 and a half minutes – with standard production tires."

[mb_]

Another 911 that won't come in MT.. can't wait to see them on the road!
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[ilvtofu]

hmm front doesn't look too different from the regular 991

[vantrip]

hmm front doesn't look too different from the regular 991

Evolution not revolution

[Timpo]

0-60mph in 2.9 sec?

lol GT-R will smoke that shit no problem.

2014 Nissan GT-R Japanese Spec First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1211_2014_nissan_gt_r_japanese_spec_drive/viewall.html)

[Vale46Rossi]

Timpo, you really need to just shut the fuck up and die.

[sonick]

Timpo, you really need to just shut the fuck up and die.

https://www.memelets.com/assets/memes/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme-18f3defcd3b38b64040098a6caf292a3.png

[VRYALT3R3D]

0-60mph in 2.9 sec?

lol GT-R will smoke that shit no problem.

2014 Nissan GT-R Japanese Spec First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1211_2014_nissan_gt_r_japanese_spec_drive/viewall.html)

If you are a 14 year old kid looking at stats on the internet, then yeah, it is fast in a straight line using launch control. Silly benchracer. I am willing to bet you NEVER drove one.

I actually drove a GT-R, a 2013...

My impressions of it were:

-Very stiff suspension
-Interior nothing to write about.
-Seats are excellent
-Visibility is poor
-Trunk opening is horrible, and limited space inside the trunk
-It felt boring. All you have to is set launch control and let the car do the rest.
-Too much electronics imo, takes away from the driving experiance
-Paddles are fun for a bit, but I miss a manual transmission.
-Styling is dull. Only colour I liked the GT-R in is red.
-It has NO issue putting the power down at all.
-Very heavy and you can feel the weight through turns.

Ended up buying a more engaging car then the GT-R and have no regrets. The GT-R is amazing though, just wasn't for me.

[shenmecar]

0-60mph in 2.9 sec?

lol GT-R will smoke that shit no problem.

2014 Nissan GT-R Japanese Spec First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1211_2014_nissan_gt_r_japanese_spec_drive/viewall.html)

Why does someone ALWAYS compare a new car to the GTR.

[Akinari]

Why does someone ALWAYS compare a new car to the GTR.
Because it's probably the prettiest car on paper in the world. There's no denying that it is indeed a very, very good car, but all the electronic aids and such aren't for everyone. I haven't driven a GT-R though I have sat in one, but from the feedback I've heard from those who have, and those who have driven it on the track, they all seem to say it's quite an absolute beast on the track, but it does get boring after awhile.

[Shorn]

When a $950 destination charge is factored in, the Turbo model will start at $149,250, while the Turbo S asks $182,050.

lol i find it funny they feel like a $950 destination charge on a $150k+ car is an important thing to mention

[SpeedStars]

I do like the suede in the R35 :SWEETJESUS:

OT: 911s now look similar to the 90s 911s because it's an iconic design. The Porsche 911 will always be the most iconic race car in my book.
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[pastarocket]

A sports car icon that gets even better performance. :D

-very reliable car too. JD Power rates Lexus and Porsche at the top of car reliability rankings:

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/lexus-porsche-tops-j-d-power-reliability-rankings-192544256.html )

[Indyjones]

The Porsche 911 will always be the most iconic race car in my book
Race car or sports car? 911s are probably better known for being fantastic road cars, although I've always liked the 70s Martini and Jägermeister 935s.
The new Turbo will be killer for sure, although it's too bad manual trannies are no longer offered.

[TheStig]

0-60mph in 2.9 sec?

lol GT-R will smoke that shit no problem.

2014 Nissan GT-R Japanese Spec First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1211_2014_nissan_gt_r_japanese_spec_drive/viewall.html)

No, keep in mind these are Porsche-sourced numbers, and they tend to be conservative. Once the magazines/owners get a hold of them and get some proper numbers, I'm sure we'll see those numbers head south.

[Timpo]

If you are a 14 year old kid looking at stats on the internet, then yeah, it is fast in a straight line using launch control. Silly benchracer. I am willing to bet you NEVER drove one.

I actually drove a GT-R, a 2013...

My impressions of it were:

-Very stiff suspension
-Interior nothing to write about.
-Seats are excellent
-Visibility is poor
-Trunk opening is horrible, and limited space inside the trunk
-It felt boring. All you have to is set launch control and let the car do the rest.
-Too much electronics imo, takes away from the driving experiance
-Paddles are fun for a bit, but I miss a manual transmission.
-Styling is dull. Only colour I liked the GT-R in is red.
-It has NO issue putting the power down at all.
-Very heavy and you can feel the weight through turns.

Ended up buying a more engaging car then the GT-R and have no regrets. The GT-R is amazing though, just wasn't for me.

ok so how many of those list apply to the Porsche 911 Turbo? :suspicious:

[VRYALT3R3D]

ok so how many of those list apply to the Porsche 911 Turbo? :suspicious:

A bunch! I know a lot of people on Rennlist who really wish the new Porsches have manuals.

[BBMme]

I like
but I agree with Timpo
It will be a tough call between the GTR or Turbo S, they're similar, but also different cars.
It would make so much more sense for me to buy the GTR ($110k) vs Turbo S($180k)

[SolidPenguin]

But, does it have turbo?

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/45/meme1hz.jpg

[CharlieH]

I like
but I agree with Timpo
It will be a tough call between the GTR or Turbo S, they're similar, but also different cars.
It would make so much more sense for me to buy the GTR ($110k) vs Turbo S($180k)



they might put out similar performance figures but to say "i'd pick a gtr over a turbo cuz its cheaper huehuehue" tells me you can't afford either one to begin with.

[wstce92]

give me a carerra, doesn't matter how fast this is, no stick = boring as shit.
I don't understand how anyone who drives any stick sports car and any auto "sports" car could think that any auto was more fun.
and if you complain about traffic, you need to stop being a little bitch
/rant

[asahai69]

0-60mph in 2.9 sec?

lol GT-R will smoke that shit no problem.

2014 Nissan GT-R Japanese Spec First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1211_2014_nissan_gt_r_japanese_spec_drive/viewall.html)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg?1307463786

[smarv]

Early this year i had the chance to go for a drive in a 2009 Carrera turbo S cabriolet, and its definitely amazing wikipedia says its about 523hp and it definitely felt so. The one thing I loved about it is the engine noise, it sounds like a jet engine is taking off behind you, and yes it was stick.

[BBMme]

It's about being smart with your money charlieH. My $ 100k car is worth shit now.
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[Timpo]

give me a carerra, doesn't matter how fast this is, no stick = boring as shit.
I don't understand how anyone who drives any stick sports car and any auto "sports" car could think that any auto was more fun.
and if you complain about traffic, you need to stop being a little bitch
/rantCarrera's high price does not justify as a fun to drive car...I guess you're paying for luxury.

If you want a something fun to drive, get a Miata...if you wanna go lighter, faster and mid-engine with less driving aids, go with the Elise. It's still a lot cheaper than 911, Cayman or Boxster.

If you want something bigger, get a 370Z for a fraction of price.

Porsche 911 Carrera
MSRP: $ 96,200
3.4L Flat 6
350hp, 287lb-ft
7 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.6 sec
http://hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-911-Porsche-Carrera-4-2.jpg

Nissan 370Z
MSRP: $ 40,978
3.7L V6
332hp, 270lb-ft
6 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.7 sec
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/02/2013-nissan-370z-opt.jpg

[Harvey Specter]

Carrera's high price does not justify as a fun to drive car...I guess you're paying for luxury.

If you want a something fun to drive, get a Miata...if you wanna go lighter, faster and mid-engine with less driving aids, go with the Elise. It's still a lot cheaper than 911, Cayman or Boxster.

If you want something bigger, get a 370Z for a fraction of price.

Porsche 911 Carrera
MSRP: $ 96,200
3.4L Flat 6
350hp, 287lb-ft
7 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.6 sec
http://hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-911-Porsche-Carrera-4-2.jpg

Nissan 370Z
MSRP: $ 40,978
3.7L V6
332hp, 270lb-ft
6 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.7 sec
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/02/2013-nissan-370z-opt.jpg

Cool story bro.

[BeefCake4000]

The new Porsche 911 Turbo - first exclusive look. - YouTube

Porsche 911 Turbo / 911 Turbo S - YouTube

[ilvtofu]

This thread is slowly giving me cancer

[mb_]

Carrera's high price does not justify as a fun to drive car...I guess you're paying for luxury.

If you want a something fun to drive, get a Miata...if you wanna go lighter, faster and mid-engine with less driving aids, go with the Elise. It's still a lot cheaper than 911, Cayman or Boxster.

If you want something bigger, get a 370Z for a fraction of price.

Porsche 911 Carrera
MSRP: $ 96,200
3.4L Flat 6
350hp, 287lb-ft
7 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.6 sec
http://hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-911-Porsche-Carrera-4-2.jpg

Nissan 370Z
MSRP: $ 40,978
3.7L V6
332hp, 270lb-ft
6 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.7 sec
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/02/2013-nissan-370z-opt.jpg

Comparing 370Z to a 911? :facepalm:
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[Indyjones]

The 911 can only ever be compared to one other car: :toot:

http://s.petrolicious.com/vintage/2012/ad-watch-porsche-vw.jpg

The Volkswagen Beetle and Porsche: two aspects of the same vision

[FerrariEnzo]

Man, When a new porsche comes out, I dont know whats the difference is, besidies the taillight... haha

The body and headlights all look the same pretty much.. some slight differences in the bumpers and of course the engine... But thats what makes a porsche, A Porsche..

[FerrariEnzo]

Carrera's high price does not justify as a fun to drive car...I guess you're paying for luxury.

If you want a something fun to drive, get a Miata...if you wanna go lighter, faster and mid-engine with less driving aids, go with the Elise. It's still a lot cheaper than 911, Cayman or Boxster.

If you want something bigger, get a 370Z for a fraction of price.

Porsche 911 Carrera
MSRP: $ 96,200
3.4L Flat 6
350hp, 287lb-ft
7 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.6 sec
http://hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-911-Porsche-Carrera-4-2.jpg

Nissan 370Z
MSRP: $ 40,978
3.7L V6
332hp, 270lb-ft
6 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.7 sec
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/02/2013-nissan-370z-opt.jpg
Nissan and Porsche are in a totally different CLASS man...:seriously:
Its all about the Status Quo when you have money like that to spend...

[Timpo]

Comparing 370Z to a 911? :facepalm:
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why not? they're similar in performance.

Nissan and Porsche are in a totally different CLASS man...:seriously:
Its all about the Status Quo when you have money like that to spend...It doesn't matter, I can't remember how many time I saw 'GT-R vs 911 Turbo' on Youtube and multiple car websites.

[StylinRed]

Its all about the Status Quo when you have money like that to spend...

:suspicious:

[Timpo]

Nissan and Porsche are in a totally different CLASS man...:seriously:
Its all about the Status Quo when you have money like that to spend...
looks like Chevy is in same class and McLaren and Ferrari. :fulloffuck:

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 vs Ferrari 458 Italia vs McLaren MP4-12C – 3 Kings Supercar Comparison Test – RoadandTrack.com - Road & Track (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/car-comparison-tests/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-vs-ferrari-458-italia-vs-mclaren-mp4-12c)

[Hehe]

TBH, GTR is nothing short of an engineering masterpiece. To be able to push those kind of performance within that price range is simply an amazing job done.

How many cars in production can beat GTR? Only a handful at easily 3x the price.

How many car in production can smoke a GTR? Honestly, nothing within 10x the price of a GTR.

911 Turbo, however, is all about performance AND class. Would you drive a GTR or a 911 Turbo to a golf club?

[Timpo]

Would you drive a GTR or a 911 Turbo to a golf club?

Porsche 991 (991) trunk space: 135L
Nissan GT-R trunk space: 315L

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/11q3/415475/2012-porsche-911-carrera-s-trunk-photo-421322-s-1280x782.jpg
http://img2.netcarshow.com/Nissan-GT-R_2008_800x600_wallpaper_76.jpg

[boostfever]

because people buy 911s for the trunk space...

it's obvious Timpo has never been in a Porsche.

and you can fit your clubs in the backseats of a 911. screw golf anyway.

[bloodmack]

If you are a 14 year old kid looking at stats on the internet, then yeah, it is fast in a straight line using launch control. Silly benchracer. I am willing to bet you NEVER drove one.

I actually drove a GT-R, a 2013...

My impressions of it were:

-Very stiff suspension
-Interior nothing to write about.
-Seats are excellent
-Visibility is poor
-Trunk opening is horrible, and limited space inside the trunk
-It felt boring. All you have to is set launch control and let the car do the rest.
-Too much electronics imo, takes away from the driving experiance
-Paddles are fun for a bit, but I miss a manual transmission.
-Styling is dull. Only colour I liked the GT-R in is red.
-It has NO issue putting the power down at all.
-Very heavy and you can feel the weight through turns.

Ended up buying a more engaging car then the GT-R and have no regrets. The GT-R is amazing though, just wasn't for me.


uh oh the couple are having a fight.

[AW607]

Carrera's high price does not justify as a fun to drive car...I guess you're paying for luxury.

If you want a something fun to drive, get a Miata...if you wanna go lighter, faster and mid-engine with less driving aids, go with the Elise. It's still a lot cheaper than 911, Cayman or Boxster.

If you want something bigger, get a 370Z for a fraction of price.

Porsche 911 Carrera
MSRP: $ 96,200
3.4L Flat 6
350hp, 287lb-ft
7 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.6 sec
http://hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-911-Porsche-Carrera-4-2.jpg

Nissan 370Z
MSRP: $ 40,978
3.7L V6
332hp, 270lb-ft
6 speed manual
0-60mph: 4.7 sec
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/02/2013-nissan-370z-opt.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zsaft2.gif

[vitaminG]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zsaft2.gif

hes been posting since you were in fucking kindergarten and he's contributing more to this thread then you have so far.

That said i think the 911 turbo and GTR is a perfectly valid comparison. you cant just say that a 911 is a different class and is too fancy to compare to a GTR.

911 turbo has always been about high technology so you cant just say the GTR is cheating with its high tech.

[asahai69]

pfft. a corvette has more trunk space than either. therefore, superior car

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/c6-corvette-general-discussion/47721620d1364238711-trunk-capacity-big-trunk.jpg

[Timpo]

Corvette Stingray
trunk space: 623L

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/bgdailynews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/92/e926b75f-a0b0-5d24-a6aa-98f5a46d9de0/50f38262ec1f3.image.jpg

[Timpo]

^ the problem with Corvette though, it's only a 2 seater.

[AW607]

hes been posting since you were in fucking kindergarten and he's contributing more to this thread then you have so far.

That said i think the 911 turbo and GTR is a perfectly valid comparison. you cant just say that a 911 is a different class and is too fancy to compare to a GTR.

911 turbo has always been about high technology so you cant just say the GTR is cheating with its high tech.

haha, better to have fifteen thousand posts fewer than thousands of shitty ones :lawl:

That said, I have always been a big fan of the GT-R and the technology that it possesses, from its prototype all the way up to the current production model; the way it has reportedly broken the lap record on the 'Ring and how Porsche accused Nissan of cheating.. It's what they never expected to happen and it's what made the GT-R a very popular topic of discussion.

I think because of the way that the GT-R has brought itself up over the last five years while being under the constant scrutiny of other manufacturers and how it can perform just as well as their higher performance models with equivalent technology and lower curb weight (especially Porsche) is one of the main reasons why the 911 and the GT-R has always been a great comparison; vehicle class and sticker price may not always be the important thing in such a case

[Akinari]

:fulloffuck::seriously: FFS, the GT-R versus 911 Turbo comparison has been going on since the debut of the GT-R. People who purchase a 911 aren't going to care about its downfalls and people who purchase a GT-R aren't going to care about the advantages a 911 has over a GT-R. Seeing people comparing these two for the past 5 years has really become a bore. Next please.

[StylinRed]

you guys realize the gtr and porsche are around the same price right? (base gtr is more than a base porsche / spec v is the same as a turbo)

and specs are similar and performance is similar... what's the surprise that they're being compared?

wth is this talk about class... you gotta be fucking kidding... porsches are taxis and grocery getters in europe... class? lol real people from money (not new money) couldn't give a crap they just buy what they like why bring this illusion of class into the comparison of cars? this is a car forum not some fucking stuck up girly fashionista website

[Harvey Specter]

Porsche 911 buyers are in a different league and unfortunately majority of them don't give a rats ass if a Nissan is .5 seconds faster off the line or has 15 more hp, it all comes down to the badge and the prestige factor.

[StylinRed]

Porsche 911 buyers are in a different league
:fuckthatshit:

[Shorn]

... porsches are taxis and grocery getters in europe...

hold up.. seriously? i gotta get my ass to europe one day


anyway when you guys argue whether or not 911 owners care about how much of a bargain the GT-R is, you're both right.

that's because there are 2 types of people who buy a 911 (turbo or not).

people who care about track and performance in general

and people who want a nice car because they either like the looks, prestige, brand, etc

my friend who had a 996 turbo tracked it at mission was definitely impressed with the GTR, and was tempted to get it, especially when his friend got a great condition one for around $60k.

another friend who's parents bought them a 997 turbo s recently, couldn't give a rats ass if the GT-R did 0-100 in 2.9 or whatever. it just doesn't matter to them. it's all about rolling around in a porsche. which sounds better than rolling around in a nissan.

plus when it comes down to it, if you're not gonna track it, do you really care if a car does 0-100 in 2.8 or 2.9? no, you don't. does it matter if it has 600hp or 550hp? no it doesn't. (just pulling these numbers out of my ass btw)

the difference is, the 911 owner and GT-R owner both know that if the 911 owner wanted a GT-R, they could have had one. but the same can't be said of the GT-R.

so yeah. both arguments are right in their own way, because there are 2 different kinds of people who buy 911s.

[Marco911]

TBH, GTR is nothing short of an engineering masterpiece. To be able to push those kind of performance within that price range is simply an amazing job done.

How many cars in production can beat GTR? Only a handful at easily 3x the price.

How many car in production can smoke a GTR? Honestly, nothing within 10x the price of a GTR.

911 Turbo, however, is all about performance AND class. Would you drive a GTR or a 911 Turbo to a golf club?

The GTR like the LFA are loss leaders. They sell them below the cost to make them because they are supported by huge companies like Nissan and Toyota.

Porsche does not build 911s as pet projects. They have a sports car heritage. When you drive a Porsche on a track, you will see a huge difference to silly little poseur cars like the 350z.

[Marco911]

The 911 has a tonne more sex appeal than the GTR. Case closed.

[Hehe]

The 911 has a tonne more sex appeal than the GTR. Case closed.

With a 911 in your name, that doesn't sound all that convincing ya know? :pokerface:


:ilied:

[Gridlock]

Oh come on!

First, anyone that is torn between a 370z and a porsche 911 is trying to pose as someone that can buy a 911, but 'chooses' the 370z for the practicality, and nothing, NOTHING to do with the 50 cents on the dollar purchase price.

The GTR. Great car, for (some of) us that know something about cars. Everyone else? Nice nissan sedan. If you want to be noticed as a pretentious vehicular connoisseur(like Marco) then you choose the 911...hands down.

[Lomac]

The 911 has a tonne more sex appeal than the GTR. Case closed.

Shit. You're still alive?

[StylinRed]

hold up.. seriously? i gotta get my ass to europe one day

the difference is, the 911 owner and GT-R owner both know that if the 911 owner wanted a GT-R, they could have had one. but the same can't be said of the GT-R.


:seriously: they're the same fuckin price... $90k(gtr/Carrera)-$170k(spec v/turbo)

[westopher]

Lets talk about the porsche in the porsche thread. I fucking HATE that the top 3 911s (gt3, turbo, turbo s) all don't come with a manual option. It disappointed me with the gt3, but I understood it. Now for it to not even be an option to own a true manual high end 911 is fucking stupid.
Ferdinand is turning in his grave right now.

[Graeme S]

:seriously: they're the same fuckin price... $90k(gtr/Carrera)-$170k(spec v/turbo)
Yet you'll note the judgement is being made on the badge. Which is, at the end of the day, what people think of first when they spend the big bucks on a car.

It's like they always say on Top Gear: "When the question at a dinner party comes up, and you are forced to say 'I drive a Nissan...'"

[BrRsn]

if nissan had a dick timpo's throat would be all over it

no homo.

[Timpo]

Yet you'll note the judgement is being made on the badge. Which is, at the end of the day, what people think of first when they spend the big bucks on a car.

It's like they always say on Top Gear: "When the question at a dinner party comes up, and you are forced to say 'I drive a Nissan...'"

In the real world, I don't think people would look down on the GT-R just because of Nissan badge.
The GT-R is serious performance machine, it's not a Sentra or Versa.

Just like how people don't look down on ZR-1 or Viper just because of Chevy and Dodge label.
If someone says "I drive a Viper" how many people would respond "oh it's still a Dodge"

[Timpo]

Lets talk about the porsche in the porsche thread. I fucking HATE that the top 3 911s (gt3, turbo, turbo s) all don't come with a manual option. It disappointed me with the gt3, but I understood it. Now for it to not even be an option to own a true manual high end 911 is fucking stupid.
Ferdinand is turning in his grave right now.

Cars evolve bro...people complain about anything.

Paddle shift, synchro rev match, automatic fuel/air mixture, power brakes, power steering, ABS, traction control, stability control, airbags, AC, etc..

[Lomac]

In the real world, I don't think people would look down on the GT-R just because of Nissan badge.
The GT-R is serious performance machine, it's not a Sentra or Versa.

Just like how people don't look down on ZR-1 or Viper just because of Chevy and Dodge label.
If someone says "I drive a Viper" how many people would respond "oh it's still a Dodge"

The average non-car enthusiast off the street will have no idea what a GTR is. They will, however, most likely know what a Porsche, Viper or Corvette is. They may not know the difference between a ZR1 and base 'Vette is, but they still know it's a fast "supercar for the masses." Saying you drive a Nissan GTR simply evokes images of sensible family sedans.

[Shorn]

:seriously: they're the same fuckin price... $90k(gtr/Carrera)-$170k(spec v/turbo)

why would you compare a GT-R to a carrera? obviously you compare the similar specced cars, like GT-R and turbo

and spec v isn't even for sale here so not a good comparison.. lol

all we have is 'black edition' which is only 113k. can't compare that with $160k turbo

:rukidding:

so NO not the same fuckin price

[Marshall Placid]

In regards to the external body/looks:

IMHO, I think Porsche is overdue for a complete redesign.

***Edit***was a little late last night so typed in the wrong model.

As it is, the "new" Turbo looks eerily like a lot of other Porsche models.

Don't get me wrong: the outer shells of the Porsche models look fantastic, but the same overall look has been used for a while now.

If owners are going to pay a lot for a performance car, the performance car should be differentiated from the rest of the other lower-spec Porsches.

[Graeme S]

This is not a GTR/911 thread. Timpo, this is your warning.

[Indyjones]

fyi, canadian pricing has been announced:
$169,200 for the Turbo and $206,600 for the Turbo S.