[BurnoutBinLaden]

I'm not sure if this thread is made redundant by the general fitness thread, or if it's been posted before. I did some searching and couldn't find anything.

What are your transformation stories? Maybe it will inspire and motivate people. To be honest, I'd rather hear the stories of people who were super skinny or obese and transformed their bodies, rather than those who had a leg up and were athletic their whole lives, simply because I can relate to it more.

[zetazeta]

Super skinny prior to 2012 sept. I have always been very active (playing basketball, soccer, badminton, vball), but was always very skinny (i looked like I weighed 120ish at 5'8). Decided to hit up the gym and bulk. Gained about 15-20 lbs since then, and am still working hard at it. I'm hoping to bulk another 10-15 lbs by the end of the year. Currently going to SN about 5 times a week. Going to the gym has definitely helped my performance and endurance in sports.

[hal0g0dv2]

good thread will post my story when I get off my phone and into computer
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[Matlock]

The desire to be able to tear bones from flesh with my bare hands.

[Recon604]

u go to the gym to improve on your physique. You train hard, you will notice improvements. And because you notice improvements, its what motivates you.

I started working out last summer and I wasnt serious about it. During the time, I worked out when I felt like it or when my friends wanted to. Sometimes we go and we just leave because we rather go out and chill instead.

Just when school started, I became serious on making gains. I was 120lbs, now I am 150lbs due to being persistent on going to the gym every morning before class.

[bcrdukes]

Started riding a bike, started eating clean and the rest is just filler.

I now fit into my clothes from high school. :fuckyea:

[firebird79_00]

I weighed 220 mid November 2012, by mid February 2013 I was 175 then got in a car accident and was unable to work out for awhile. Now I'm down to 165 and starting to build muscle. Biggest things for me were excercise, stopped drinking pop and eating at fast food places/eating random shit I didn't need.
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[chin3se604]

I was always a fatty, especially during grade 8 and 9, almost weighing in at 200lbs. Joined rugby and wrestling during grade 9 to help lose weight. Started working out mildly in grade 10. Took it a bit more serious in grade 12 and joined local gym Raptors. I wasn't as fat as before, but I didn't get the result I was looking for (ripped, toned, etc). Unfortunately back then I ignored doing squats and deadlifts like most others.

It wasn't until 3 years later in 2010 when I took it very seriously. I started to post on forums, ask questions and re-search online to help me make changes. During this time I worked out at home and manged to lose 40 lbs within the year. The key was proper diet (nutrition) and weight training. Cleaned my diet, logged my workouts and signed up with Steve Nash Sports Club. Now playing sports and working out is part of my lifestyle. Working out and getting a good sweat on is fun for me. It's also a good stress reliever. Most importantly its my thing, for that 1-1.5 hr I get to focus on myself and improve myself physically and mentally. So kudos to anyone that is willing to make an effort to living a healthier lifestyle.

anyways I may not have the 6 pack that I've wanted atm, but my lifts are better than ever, and I'm not a fatty anymore :thumbs:

[GFitTrain]

Great thread, the posts are a good read and very inspiring. Here is my story taken from my website:

"Gary was often known as the “skinny guy” growing up. Being hyperactive as a child, he had no trouble finding time for exercise whether it was on the basketball court, on the field or at home. However, he never gained much muscle mass. It was not until a close friend of his introduced him to weight lifting during his university years that he started to take working out more seriously. With the support of friends and coaches, Gary soon made big changes to his body composition. This taught him that hard work and dedication are a must in order to achieve the body he wanted. Even though it started off as a hobby, he continues to lift hard for his own personal satisfaction and well-being. Gary strongly believes that when someone puts their mind into something and is guided in the right direction, there is no reason why he or she cannot achieve what they want to become."

[BBMme]

Patience. Everything takes time. Eat right, sleep well and exercise.
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[meowjinboo]

Ièm actually doing a video on this right now, had a friend on facebook ask about this.

[rageguy]

Started off as 165lb with a beer belly last May. Work 9-5 where I sit on a chair all day long. Didn't play any sports either. Ate out every other night, drank beer, smoked and so on. Decided to really change myself before I get too old. Started paying for a gym membership and because it was not cheap, it sort of motivated me to go more often to get my money's worth. Noticed I am actually making progress so I kept going. It's like a cycle.

Throughout the entire time I tried out supplements as well, such as EC stack, pre-workouts and the usual protein. Happy to say that now I'm down to 140lb, and I actually look muscular.

[SpeedStars]

I've heard that much of keeping fit has to do with your frame in general. Some take little effort and can still keep fit whereas others gain a ton of weight eating quite minimal. The key is patience and im trying :alonehappy:
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[xilley]

steroids.

[spideyv2]

saw an ad for celltech that told me I could look like one of their models if I used their supplement

[ts14]

started in high school. from grade 8 to grade 10, i was the skinniest guy u can find. standing just below 6 ft and weighing 110lbs,i was pretty much the brown larry king live. then during grade 10, i made a life changing decision of working out, problem was that i was a really weak ass bitch. i'm talking like too weak to bench 50 pounds kind of weak. so i made a little plan to start up the whole process.

plan was to do 3 sets of 10 for pushups, dips, pull ups, curls, and anything that i could do in the vicinity of my house. i was too insecure to lift outside of my house kuz i was so damn weak. needless to say, shit went damn well. i got into strength and condition in grade 11 and 12 and actually having some strength to move the bar was nice to see.

at the time of my graduation, i could rep out wide grip pull ups, rep out 135 bench, preacher curl 70, rep out dips, military press 90ish, and shrug a few plates. my body weight went from 110lbs in grade 10 to 160lbs in grade 12. in gr11 and 12, i focussed on reps so i would be doing allot of pyramids, 10x10s, and many high rep crap to get my body growing. sadly i never worked legs during this time like a cheeky pinner cunt

fast forward a couple years and a friend of mine gets me into the powerlifting world. this is when i finally start working my weak ass legs. at first it was a big shock as i was still doing body building shit that didnt have full range of motion or lockouts so all my lifts plummeted . then i realized that my body was far more accepting to strength training rather than body building. i was not only getting stronger pretty rapidly but i started packing some serious muscle mass.

then not until a month ago, i finally passed the 1000 pound total mark with the body weight of 215lbs. i went from a wimpy weak ass 110lbs to 215lbs in a span of 5 years. i had a shit loadda injuries n what not but it doesnt stop me from going back to the gym

as for diet, i ate anything and everything, added a whole lotta fruits n veggies and a ton of meat including the protein powders in my diet.

[instantneedles]

mindblowing inspiration overload in this thread.

Something we can all relate too, because none of us started off being big, fast or strong and everyone has their own story

I got something good in store for you guys

[red_sir]

Not fit yet, but I'm working on it!

Find some something you truly enjoy doing and then rest will be easy. For me that was powerlifting too.

[yogenfruz]

Back when I considered myself "fit" it all started with a gym membership. As others have said, the price made me go; I wanted my money's worth. I would go 5 days each week, with weekends off. This would be after 8 hours at a somewhat physical job anyway.

Once I moved for University, I lost focus, but I'm getting a new membership tomorrow and starting after work on Monday.

Time to get back to a solid 190!

[hotong]

halogodv2

[Ducdesmo]

I was always very skinny. I remember when I was 19, I weigh 138lbs at 6'1". I felt like crap, ate whatever I wanted and have no idea on how to diet, bodybuild, or anything like that. I could eat a cow and still maintain the same weight on my ectomorph frame. I was jealous of people with natural good genes and thought this is pretty much what I will be for the rest of my life.

A friend introduced me to the gym and I thought ah.h..might as well try it out. What do I have to lose. I started bench pressing 85lbs and was struggling. LOL. After about 8-12 months I hit 155lbs and I felt great! I wasnt as scrawny as I used to be, but still looked thin under my clothes.

I kind of left the gym for years due to school/work/gf etc. Then last year I was about to get married, my fiance and I signed up for a gym to get in shape. I was 155 at the time. My goal was to get bigger, so I started researching on how to do that. I started eating a lot more and supplementing with lots of home made protein/weight gainer shakes and push harder at the gym. I now weight in at 176 with approx 10% body fat. My goal is to hit 185, so I am almost there and feeling great!

[BallPeenHammer2]

For me, It was drinking/eating out.

I did it to excess for about 4 years. Spending a lot of time at Guu, Kintaro, etc.

I ballooned from 190lbs to about 235. Last April I got pissed off and decided to stop. So the first thing I did was:

Cut out beer.

Just that with some minor diet changes, I lost 15lbs alone in the first month. Then in May 2012 I started to go to the gym, for rehab a car accident injury, and just did a lot of cycling/eliptical/rowing machine.

In June 2012 I started playing as a goalie in ball hockey, 3 times a week along with the gym 2-3 times a week.

By February of this year, I was at 183lbs. I went from a size 48 suit to size 42. L-XL shirts to a M, and from 36-38 waist to 34.


BUT. Had a really shitty breakup in mid february, so started drinking and eating out again.....now I'm at 194..... =(((

Cutting it out at the end of this month again and going back to circuit training for hockey (I'm now playing on ice).

Moral of it all?

Don't drink so much beer. Don't eat so much shit. Run/bike/swim a couple times a week.

You'll be good.

[BallPeenHammer2]

I was always very skinny. I remember when I was 19, I weigh 138lbs at 6'1". I felt like crap, ate whatever I wanted and have no idea on how to diet, bodybuild, or anything like that. I could eat a cow and still maintain the same weight on my ectomorph frame. I was jealous of people with natural good genes and thought this is pretty much what I will be for the rest of my life.

A friend introduced me to the gym and I thought ah.h..might as well try it out. What do I have to lose. I started bench pressing 85lbs and was struggling. LOL. After about 8-12 months I hit 155lbs and I felt great! I wasnt as scrawny as I used to be, but still looked thin under my clothes.

I kind of left the gym for years due to school/work/gf etc. Then last year I was about to get married, my fiance and I signed up for a gym to get in shape. I was 155 at the time. My goal was to get bigger, so I started researching on how to do that. I started eating a lot more and supplementing with lots of home made protein/weight gainer shakes and push harder at the gym. I now weight in at 176 with approx 10% body fat. My goal is to hit 185, so I am almost there and feeling great!

I'm an endomorph body. It's like I NEVER get skinny. Wish we can trade and balance each other out LOL

[unit]

nothing too crazy to report but i was about 185 (all time high) two years ago and never active at all, now down to 150 (all time low since highschool)
the first 20-25lbs was easy but the last 10 were not. took a lot of calorie counting and running 3-4x a week to get to where i am. now im addicted to running, so i think i'll be just fine.

[murd0c]

I went from being fit and toned at 7% body fat to just being fat these days. So need to find the motivation and not sure how these days...

[H.Specter]

http://tattoodesignhq.net/wp-content/gallery/zyzztattoo/zyzztattoo3.jpg

[mac25]

you have to find what works best with your body for me since i'm naturally wide and didn't really want bulk i trained for definition.

starting age 20
starting weight 145
height 5'11

nutrition: i asked a natural path doctor about what my blood type should be eatting to gain weight and be healthy.

a lot of complex carbs like whole wheat pasta and rye bread , a lot of proteine high meats, a lot a fat rich foods with "good" cholesteral like coconut butter.

supplements: B12, bcaa, calcium, multi, creatine and glutamine. (warning about creatine it did work quite well but i had kidney pains after a three monh cycle, so i havn't used it since).

i also take milkthistle for my liver.

workout regiment: 3-6 days a week at the gym for an average of half an our each day. leaving at least 2 days of rest in between each muscle group. i superseted everything.
for example i'd curl 8 reps at 40 pound, drop the 40s and grab 35s right away, do 8 reps then 30s, 25s and 20's each at 8 reps.

i's do about 4 muscle groups each day and only 2-3 sets of superset reps for each muscle groupe.


(supersets will get you ripped,increase your cardio endurance and increase your athletic explosive power. but they're not the best for training for bulk or heavy lifting).



i trained for 3 months this way and went from a skinny kid at 145 pounds to a defined skinny kid at 165 pounds, with very low body fat.

here's photo's from 145 to 155

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/006/a/3/a34df21d51786cf306d544869a98b7e6-d4lghiy.jpg

and a photo shoot a modeled for for a friend at school at 165, i think i make a decent looking goth kid, lol

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/006/6/c/6c5ed56e3a3291b70d3a941cbd1a58e1-d4lghgy.jpg

[J____]

I was skinny 140lbs (5'10) and 20% body fat, slept 10 hours a day and still felt tired. Started running 10km every 2 days for 3 months, then stopped running and hit the gym to gain mass, every 3 days for an hour each with a heavy weight low rep routine. Cut my diet to only protein and veg 5 meals a day, not fruit or dairy and the only carb i'd eat was a small bowl of brown rice every day. after 4 months I weighed 172lbs with 7% body fat, slept 5 hours a day and would be energized for the entire day.... then I came to China and started partying and stopped working out, now i'm back down to 140lbs and 24% body fat >:(

[hx2gls]

I started working out mostly out of boredom and a sprinkle of napoleon complex. After being your typical gym goer for a year, I decided to get more serious about lifting and my inner gym rat/RS workout thread has kept me motivated ever since.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Define fit lol. As in healthy fit or muscular fit?

I pretty much just jog for 45 to 60mins every other day and go to yoga. Not very muscular at all but not fat either.

It depends on what you want. If you want muscle, go work out in a gym, if you just want to healthier and burn some fat then go jogging, swimming and some yoga.

[Zordon]

Since February, I've gone from 208lbs to 184lbs. For the first 40 days I was on the 4 hour body, 6 days on, 1 day off. Worked pretty well in terms of losing the first 10-12 lbs. Then i started watching all these Netflix movies on food and proper nutrition. The one that really influenced me the most was "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".

I began fresh pressed juicing 2-3 times a day and went on a 4 day mini fast where I felt like crap for the first 3 days and better afterwards. I began eating mostly vegetables and juicing for the next 2 weeks. Energy felt great, continued to lose weight.

Eventually i stopped eating red meat (chicken, pork, turkey, beef, lamb) all together and continued to press fresh juices twice a day, protein shake in the am and pm, work out at home with my TRX cables, and hockey once a week. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since April and none of my pants fit me (unless i want to look thug).

In May i had a health check and my Total cholesterol was at 3.94 and body fat percentage was at 17%. Hopefully by this time next year i'll be down to 11-12% body fat.

[instantneedles]

Since February, I've gone from 208lbs to 184lbs. For the first 40 days I was on the 4 hour body, 6 days on, 1 day off. Worked pretty well in terms of losing the first 10-12 lbs. Then i started watching all these Netflix movies on food and proper nutrition. The one that really influenced me the most was "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".

I began juicing 2-3 times a day and went on a 4 day mini fast where I felt like crap for the first 3 days and better afterwards. I began eating mostly vegetables and juicing for the next 2 weeks. Energy felt great, continued to lose weight.

Eventually i stopped eating red meat (chicken, pork, turkey, beef, lamb) all together and continued to press fresh juices twice a day, protein shake in the am and pm, work out at home with my TRX cables, and hockey once a week. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since April and none of my pants fit me (unless i want to look thug).

In May i had a health check and my Total cholesterol was at 3.94 and body fat percentage was at 17%. Hopefully by this time next year i'll be down to 11-12% body fat.

not sure if you meant juicing as in steroid/doping or as in drinking juice. Can be kind of deceiving since we're talking about working out and body composition.

[Zordon]

I see what you mean, i've edited the above. Not steroids, fresh fruits and vegetable juices.

[yogenfruz]

I think for me, the biggest issue is diet. I've been back at the gym for about two months and although I haven't lost weight, I've thinned out around my waist a little and bulked up in my upper torso. I just need to get back on avoiding pop/store juices as well as eating more leafy greens and fruit.

Going to the gym is easy, changing your diet and lifestyle is the hard part.
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[hal0g0dv2]

I think for me, the biggest issue is diet. I've been back at the gym for about two months and although I haven't lost weight, I've thinned out around my waist a little and bulked up in my upper torso. I just need to get back on avoiding pop/store juices as well as eating more leafy greens and fruit.

Going to the gym is easy, changing your diet and lifestyle is the hard part.
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Totally
It's diet man
Most peeps don't get that
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[skiiipi]

I started to watch what I eat
and did GSP Rushfit program 3 consecutive times. (1 week rest in between each 8 week program)
Then started going to the gym a few times a week

Still a long ways to go, but I'm happy with my progress so far.


total time lapse: ~18months before: ~250lbs+, 35%+bf after: ~180lbs, 17%bf

[bloodmack]

Diet is a huge factor.. I've lost about 6 sizes on my waist since january from changing it.. and its still a bit dirty (store bought pizzas and whopper wednesdays :lol).

[yogenfruz]

^ I caved this past week and had pizza twice... I started drinking Coke again because if I start, I just keep drinking it. I hate it. I broke my 2 month streak.

I gotta start eating cleaner, maybe get on this Kale train that's so popular lately.

[Spidey]

you have to find what works best with your body for me since i'm naturally wide and didn't really want bulk i trained for definition.

starting age 20
starting weight 145
height 5'11

nutrition: i asked a natural path doctor about what my blood type should be eatting to gain weight and be healthy.

a lot of complex carbs like whole wheat pasta and rye bread , a lot of proteine high meats, a lot a fat rich foods with "good" cholesteral like coconut butter.

supplements: B12, bcaa, calcium, multi, creatine and glutamine. (warning about creatine it did work quite well but i had kidney pains after a three monh cycle, so i havn't used it since).

i also take milkthistle for my liver.

workout regiment: 3-6 days a week at the gym for an average of half an our each day. leaving at least 2 days of rest in between each muscle group. i superseted everything.
for example i'd curl 8 reps at 40 pound, drop the 40s and grab 35s right away, do 8 reps then 30s, 25s and 20's each at 8 reps.

i's do about 4 muscle groups each day and only 2-3 sets of superset reps for each muscle groupe.


(supersets will get you ripped,increase your cardio endurance and increase your athletic explosive power. but they're not the best for training for bulk or heavy lifting).



i trained for 3 months this way and went from a skinny kid at 145 pounds to a defined skinny kid at 165 pounds, with very low body fat.


the high rep meaning more toned, low reps meaning bulky muscle is a myth. low body fat percentage = toned.

if you look up the best way to increase muscle mass (hypertrophy), you will see that higher reps are more benficial, as it recruits the most muscle fibers.

[Gtrr33]

thumbs up guys!

[Spidey]

btw, awesome work skiipi

[unit]

i bought a blendtec blender and i have to say, its simplified my life a lot.

i use it 3 times a day (morning shake with a lot of extras added, lunch green smoothie, morning shake again with a light dinner or after workout). basically i use it to replace breakfast and lunch (sometimes go out for lunch with coworkers but rare these days).

totally recommend a high powered blender such as a vitamix or blendtec for those who are trying to save time in the kitchen. its the only kitchen appliance i bought that i didnt stop using after a few weeks, and i dont think i'll stop anytime soon (sorry juicer, food processor, mixer, and a million other things)

[Sid Vicious]

you have to find what works best with your body for me since i'm naturally wide and didn't really want bulk i trained for definition.

starting age 20
starting weight 145
height 5'11

nutrition: i asked a natural path doctor about what my blood type should be eatting to gain weight and be healthy.

a lot of complex carbs like whole wheat pasta and rye bread , a lot of proteine high meats, a lot a fat rich foods with "good" cholesteral like coconut butter.

supplements: B12, bcaa, calcium, multi, creatine and glutamine. (warning about creatine it did work quite well but i had kidney pains after a three monh cycle, so i havn't used it since).

i also take milkthistle for my liver.

workout regiment: 3-6 days a week at the gym for an average of half an our each day. leaving at least 2 days of rest in between each muscle group. i superseted everything.
for example i'd curl 8 reps at 40 pound, drop the 40s and grab 35s right away, do 8 reps then 30s, 25s and 20's each at 8 reps.

i's do about 4 muscle groups each day and only 2-3 sets of superset reps for each muscle groupe.

(supersets will get you ripped,increase your cardio endurance and increase your athletic explosive power. but they're not the best for training for bulk or heavy lifting).

i trained for 3 months this way and went from a skinny kid at 145 pounds to a defined skinny kid at 165 pounds, with very low body fat.


holy shit, its like you took every fitness myth possible. literally everything you said in the post is completely wrong

[lundyt]

Growing up I was the skinny lanky kid that could eat anything and would remain skinny. Then in highschool I started to put on a lot of weight, i chalked this up to puberty and McDonalds daily special menu. In grade 10, I weighed about 170 by the time I left in Grade 12 I was about 200lbs. Couple years after high school I decided to move out with a couple buddies and thats when I ballooned, we ate out every night, always had people over drinking, had the worst sleep regiment and overall just a very unhealthy lifestyle. During this time about 4 years ago I was roughly 230lbs when I met this girl, she is now my wife, she slowly started to change my diet and I initially lost some weight. Started going back to the gym but never really got cut up or anything, I was the dude at the gym that would lift large weights and look really massy but never looked really muscular I weighed in at 215lb for the longest time. Over the last year and two I started to try to get active again, played alot of basketball and what not but still only got down to about 210lbs. I started to weight train again recently, within the last 2 months and watched what I was eating a little bit better and now am down to roughly 199lbs, my goal weight is 185lbs. I decided to try to lose weight as even though I am only 26, its not like I am getting and younger so I need to get my health in check,given that I am married now and everything and would like to be around for my wife as long as possible. As of right now I have basically cut out all deep fried food, fast food and pop. Started packing lunches trying to eat cleaner in general, and I am also on a EC stack.

What I have learnt about myself over the course of all these years is that:
1. my metabolism can no longer handle eating everything in sight
2. I feel like I am a fast loser but a faster gainer, so that kinda sucks
3. My friends and I actually discussed this: because in the summer time we are constantly out doing activities and what not we eat whatever we want and either maintain or lose weight, however as soon as winter rolls around we start packing on the weight.


My advice to everyone, if I am even qualified to do so, is that come up with a plan that you are able to sustain. Crash dieting and all that stuff you will get immediate results but why not chose something that you will actually enjoy doing or eating.

17/07/2013
6'1" 199lbs
Goal: 185lbs

good luck to everyone going through the same stuff!

[Spidey]

holy shit, its like you took every fitness myth possible. literally everything you said in the post is completely wrong

I wouldn't say everything he did was/were myth. What's wrong with getting advice from a natural path?

[Sid Vicious]

I wouldn't say everything he did was/were myth. What's wrong with getting advice from a natural path?

aside from absolutely no empirical information supporting most of their claims?

[Spidey]

aside from absolutely no empirical information supporting most of their claims?

and what has western medicine done except mask the problem, and drugging people up with side effects? Don't get me wrong, I am not against western medicine as it has done wonders, but aside from vaccination, it is almost all reactive medicine. People would save millions if they learned to prevent diseases instead of helping pharmaceutical companies get richer. Of course that would never happen. The big companies like Pfizer would never let that happen.

It all comes down to money. A lot of natural remedies are not "scientifically proven" because there is no funding from anyone to conduct the independent tests. You can hate all you want, but I would rather go the natural route with respect to acne, stress, blood pressure, etc, than simply taking a pill that causes other side effects while masking the underlying issue.

Just like western medicine drugs, it doesn't work for everyone, nor does everyone suffer from the same side effects. There is enough satisfied patients for homeopathic doctors to make a decent living, and for it to be recognized by many extended health insurers.

You can say it hasn't worked for you, but you cannot generalize and say it doesn't work, period. Have you even tried any alternative medicine?

[SB7]

Was a chubby kid up until early highschool, even though I played a lot of sports and was active. Probably because I ate so much goddamn rice.

Anyway, became a DDR master and shed a lot of weight, also started playing tennis and working out and became a lot stronger. Now I don't really care about getting massive, just getting stronger, staying lean, and eating/resting properly.

Numbers wise though, went from 150 two years ago, athletic-stoner build, to around 167 now and more muscular. I'm around 5'10 as well. Cut back on rice, eating a lot more fruits and veggies, less processed foods, more water instead of anything with sugar and carbonation. Drinking a lot less (sort of) munching out a lot less.

[Sid Vicious]

and what has western medicine done except mask the problem, and drugging people up with side effects? Don't get me wrong, I am not against western medicine as it has done wonders, but aside from vaccination, it is almost all reactive medicine. People would save millions if they learned to prevent diseases instead of helping pharmaceutical companies get richer. Of course that would never happen. The big companies like Pfizer would never let that happen.

It all comes down to money. A lot of natural remedies are not "scientifically proven" because there is no funding from anyone to conduct the independent tests. You can hate all you want, but I would rather go the natural route with respect to acne, stress, blood pressure, etc, than simply taking a pill that causes other side effects while masking the underlying issue.

Just like western medicine drugs, it doesn't work for everyone, nor does everyone suffer from the same side effects. There is enough satisfied patients for homeopathic doctors to make a decent living, and for it to be recognized by many extended health insurers.

You can say it hasn't worked for you, but you cannot generalize and say it doesn't work, period. Have you even tried any alternative medicine?

if you wanna believe in what is inherently witchcraft, thats fine by me...there's a sucker born every minute. it just seems like you have almost 0 understanding of basic physiology, biology, economics and chemistry

literally 99% of "western" medicine (stupid fucking term btw) is just synthetic compounds derived from naturally occuring substances. for example...tylenol etc

as for the side effects, a medicine is formulated to treat maybe millions of people, all of which have idiosyncratic conditions and physiology. you can have a side effect to literally anything you consume

naturopaths "work" in the sense that they inherently exploit the power of our own minds (via the placebo effect) to "treat" illnesses

[lundyt]

@sidvicious @spidey
To each their own, this thread was made to help inspire ppl not for u guys to bitch about which approach is better

[Spidey]

if you wanna believe in what is inherently witchcraft, thats fine by me...there's a sucker born every minute. it just seems like you have almost 0 understanding of basic physiology, biology, economics and chemistry

literally 99% of "western" medicine (stupid fucking term btw) is just synthetic compounds derived from naturally occuring substances. for example...tylenol etc

as for the side effects, a medicine is formulated to treat maybe millions of people, all of which have idiosyncratic conditions and physiology. you can have a side effect to literally anything you consume

naturopaths "work" in the sense that they inherently exploit the power of our own minds (via the placebo effect) to "treat" illnesses

I have a pretty good understanding of biology/physiology as that is what I did my undergrad in. A point I was going to make, but you did me a favour and already stated, was the fact that a lot of medicinal drugs are derived from natural sources. So why would you be so skeptical that certain plants/herbs/fungi etc could treat certain ailments without being altered?

From reading comments you made in other posts, you obviously seem totally against alternative treatments.. so is it fair for me to say you do not believe in massage therapy, hot cold treatment, pretty much anything do to with physiotherapy as well? I mean none of those are a pill you take that is prescribed by a doctor, or invasive surgery to fix a problem.

Fact: food allergies exist. Food sensitivities exist.

[Sid Vicious]

I have a pretty good understanding of biology/physiology as that is what I did my undergrad in. A point I was going to make, but you did me a favour and already stated, was the fact that a lot of medicinal drugs are derived from natural sources. So why would you be so skeptical that certain plants/herbs/fungi etc could treat certain ailments without being altered?

From reading comments you made in other posts, you obviously seem totally against alternative treatments.. so is it fair for me to say you do not believe in massage therapy, hot cold treatment, pretty much anything do to with physiotherapy as well? I mean none of those are a pill you take that is prescribed by a doctor, or invasive surgery to fix a problem.

Fact: food allergies exist. Food sensitivities exist.

i'm not skeptical of natural remedies, some work or some don't. its really up to the person to conduct their own independent research. however, alot of natural remedies have little evidence supporting their claims...like traditional chinese medicine for example

i dont know why you call them "alternative" treatments, nor am i against it. some are empirically tested and work (i.e. physio + rehab, massage therapy) whereas others lack
such evidence (for example, ice baths were recently discredited as an effective muscle soreness remedy)

i'm not "against" anything, its just that things that claim to be effective without scientific evidence should be rightfully dismissed as bullshit

[Spidey]

i'm not skeptical of natural remedies, some work or some don't. its really up to the person to conduct their own independent research. however, alot of natural remedies have little evidence supporting their claims...like traditional chinese medicine for example

i dont know why you call them "alternative" treatments, nor am i against it. some are empirically tested and work (i.e. physio + rehab, massage therapy) whereas others lack
such evidence (for example, ice baths were recently discredited as an effective muscle soreness remedy)

i'm not "against" anything, its just that things that claim to be effective without scientific evidence should be rightfully dismissed as bullshit

fair enough.

as for ice baths. a lot of people always mistaken or interchange DOMS with lactic acid buildup. I have even read that some people believe that DOMS is due to lactic acid. DOMS is from micro tears, whereas lactic acid is a by product of Glycolysis. Ice baths are good for lactic acid as it constricts the muscles/vessels and aids in flushing the muscles of lactic acid. It does nothing for DOMS.

[yogenfruz]

One thing I've noticed that helps a lot is to have someone to work out with. On those days where you feel like you could skip, they're there to motivate you. Take it from my personal experience this summer; gym about 3-4 times a week, but I easily find myself skipping days after work lately. I keep encouraging my friends to get passes, but they keep finding excuses not to.

It sucks. I find myself getting lazy at the gym sometimes too; doing lighter weights than usual, or doing shitty sets, skipping my core routine, etc. Having that extra motivation to work hard (aside from eye candy at the gym) is a huge bonus.

[melloman]

^^ You just have to realize that no one else can MAKE you do anything. Your still going because you want to. You, yourself, are your biggest motivator. :thumbsup:

By being fit, I've just been doing alot of supersets to increase cardio, making sure I get a solid core workout everyday (or every time) I go to the gym. And try to run once or twice a week for increased cardio.

Diets a big factor, but I'm not there just yet.

[GLOW]

^^ You just have to realize that no one else can MAKE you do anything. Your still going because you want to. You, yourself, are your biggest motivator. :thumbsup:


i beg to differ

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[guurl]

as a girl, 5'5 i used to be almost 200 pounds in high school. i was very athletic and competitive in sports (used to play club basketball and volleyball) but had poor diet
back then i didnt care what people thought of me, as long as i was enjoying what i was doing.. but grad year came along i wanted to look good in my grad dress(and in general), and wanted to change up my lifestyle so i started getting really active and eat healthy.

went down to 155 within two months of hard core training and healthy eating. one our of cardio and 20 minutes of toning every day woopeee

two years later i kind of gained around 10 from all the partying and because i got lazy, but now im back at it, lost 20 in the last two months and on my way down to 130! then off to reward myself with a back piece lol !!