[ForbiddenX]

Live stream is here:

Xbox, A New Generation Revealed - Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal)

[ForbiddenX]

It's called the "Xbox One"... seriously could've chosen a better name

http://media.whosay.com/344747/344747_la.jpg

[StylinRed]

yeah watching the stream looks like a cheap htpc case imo

and while kinect control is neat i dont like the idea of having a camera on all the time lol

[Vansterdam]

:notbad: sick concept so far

not feeling that kinect shit lol

looks like the EA/microsoft partnership thing was true

[.Renn.Sport]

Forza 5 is gonna be a launch title!

[urrh]

i hated the pay to play online model and the overpriced HDDs of this gen's xbox and decided not to get the next one if those stuck around; so far nothing suggests they're going away. now there's mandatory kinect and games tied to one account. ms isn't getting my money this time around

[411ken]

Yup.. I hated paying $$ to play online with xbox 360.. and it looks like it will be like this again for this version

Finished watching the unveil and during the xbox live portion, they said "Based on the same membership you have today....." so that means, it'll be a yearly membership again.

[Akinari]

Ain't nobody got space to put that huge thing anywhere.

[Mozo]

I like the fact they finally made skype available.
Other than that, the xbox it self and the Kinect looks fucken huge

Also:
- no backwards compatibility
- wont function without the Kinect plugged in

[hotjoint]

that thing is huge!

[StylinRed]

http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/nmedia_htpc-6000/nmedia_6000htpc_frontmain.jpg
:troll:


no backwards compatability

only 1 account per machine more than 1 costs $$$

Disc drive only used to install games but the included storage is only 500gb

[ScizzMoney]

[img]only 1 account per machine...

I must have missed that part.

I can't see that being true.

[Lomac]

I wonder how well the included camera works in low light/dark room situations...

And it looks like this is why EA decided to do away with their online pass codes.

[411ken]

Does the PS4 have backward compatability btw?

and I can't believe NBA LIVE series is coming back from the dead lol.....

[StylinRed]

I must have missed that part.

I can't see that being true.

Xbox One game discs are only used for initial installation, fee charged for second account | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs)

Xbox One game discs are only used for initial installation, fee charged for second account

Microsoft has said that a fee will be charged for any game disc to be tied to a second Xbox Live account after its initial installation. This is likely to limit the market for second-hand games, but would not eliminate the possibility altogether. The company is yet to confirm whether players will be able to play games from disc or run them on secondary accounts without paying for the installation, nor has it given any indication of what the fee may be.

theverge's source is wired How Xbox One Plans to Fight Sony, Steam, and Everything Else | Game|Life | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/)

[FerrariEnzo]

its impressive...

[MarkyMark]

I think they fucked up. I don't want to use it as an "everything" console that changes from tv to music to games etc. I just want it to play games...They seemed to focus less on actual gaming this time around, where the PS4 reveal was very much about the games.

[Not really racist!]

freaking stupid.. lol

u gotta pay a fee for a used game..

:facepalm:

luckily Sony is doing the complete opposite of this with cloud so the PS4 won't get butchered

[ScizzMoney]

I think they fucked up. I don't want to use it as an "everything" console that changes from tv to music to games etc. I just want it to play games...

You can use it as just a game console if you want I'm sure.

People said the same things with Smart Phones. I remember my Dad saying "I just want a PHONE". Now he googles shit on the go with a Samsung Galaxy. I'm not saying you're going to adopt it as an everything machine, but, who gives a fuck if it has extra shit? Not like they had a limited number of resources for the gaming part of it and they cut them to make the TV part better. (I would hope anyway)

[StylinRed]

well the PS3 offered the "extras" that the xbox one is advertising especially if you were in europe/asia where you could make use of a DVR/tuner etc

but msft seems to be focused entirely on the extras this time around

maybe they'll get more into the gaming side during E3

[Preemo]

No backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 games.

360 to still be sold alongside the One.

Ugh.

[asian_XL]

xecuter will do something about it :D

[A-Dev]

microsoft and xbox will be focused on games and gaming technology at E3.

I must admit that this does pick up a lot where the 360 was lacking, a fluid, smooth, quick and responsive UI.

[BurnoutBinLaden]

Xbox One game discs are only used for initial installation, fee charged for second account | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs)


I really hate this war being fought over second-hand selling of games. This is why people commit piracy, in my opinion.

[BBMme]

Will it play blu ray? Tempting
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[StylinRed]

i never knew used games were even a topic of contention hearing all this makes me think :seriously:
dont think i could support any console that was against used game sales sony better not screw me out of getting a new system by doing the same lol


Will it play blu ray? Tempting
Posted via RS Mobile

dont see why not... its got a blu-ray drive after all

bloggers are already talking about it giving new life to the format

[6793026]

you knowwhat, when ps3 came out, people were going ape shit on backwards playing ps2 games.

all seriously, i haven't touched shit on any ps2 games like ever. when I did turn on my ps2, i'm like...wtf... these graphics sucks and i shut it off and used it and played my ps3 instead.

is it great ot have, sure, a MUST have for me.. meh.

[G-spec]

this one machine one account bullshit is getting worse and worse....I can somewhat understand limiting it to 1 machine only, but 1 account is like a slap in the face...
I bought the full blown Black Ops 2 package for my 2 little bros where they get all the mappacks and DLC, and the other day they got the latest one, same machine but it only worked on one account, almost useless when they got their own separate accounts....

When you buy a game, like almost everyything in life it should be your property in full, yours to do with as you please.... imagine buying a car (nissan) from a private seller and then having to go pay Nissan separately afterwards to be able to claim it as your own

[MarkyMark]

Yeah it's kind of bullshit, me and my friends would always swap games we've already beat and it was bad enough with the online passes, but now you won't even be able to play the game at all without paying. Hopefully Sony doesn't go this route but I bet they will jump on board.
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[yogenfruz]

Based on the whole "No used games" thing, that pretty much just killed the new console for me. I mostly play my ps3 and rent the odd Xbox game from time to time. Basically I'll have to rent the game, as well as a play pass each time now. Still not 60$, but it's the principle to me.
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[AW11]

controller looks like a fuckin madcatz crap.

[Vansterdam]

not feeling this cloud game shit. means you have to have internet connected at all times.

and having the kinect camera on 24/7 is fucken shady. this is the future of skynet lol

even with the old xbox 360 kinect, i always hated the fact that the kinect light/camera was always on.

no mention of gamerscores being moved over either. BS

[SkinnyPupp]

Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights - YouTube

[jonwon]

i was a dedicated xbox user, but microsoft really fucked up on this one. upon many other issues, this one really boggled my mind. what up ps4!

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109

Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.

Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.

Harrison: Correct.

:seriously:

[SkinnyPupp]

They have since rescinded that statement, and the 'used game fees'. Nothing is finalized yet

Microsoft dismisses Xbox One online requirements and used-game fees as 'potential scenarios' | Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play)

[LUUUUUUUU]

http://i.imgur.com/ifeIxe6.jpg

[b0unce. [?]]

I'll miss being able to borrow games from my buddy. I guess maybe he'll have to lend me his console along with his game lol

[MarkyMark]

I don't see it as a coincidence that EA is doing away with their online passes, they know what's going to happen
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[A-Dev]

an easy fix for this one console bullshit;

The disc must be in the console to play the game. No disc, no play.

Who cares who owns the disc or where it came from, only one player can play it at a time unless you go out and buy another hard copy. Doesn't that just make sense.

Are people really getting lazy to the point they don't like the fact they have to get up and physically swap games out of their consoles.

I will admit, I will buy it. I will use it for gaming and Blu-ray. I just prefer it over Playstation, that's my personal preference, that's what I am used to.

[urrh]

Xbox One will not support Xbox 360 controllers | Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353912/xbox-one-will-not-support-xbox-360-controllers)
no 360 controller compatibility is a dick move
they have the same number of buttons and same basic shape

[StylinRed]

They have since rescinded that statement, and the 'used game fees'. Nothing is finalized yet

Microsoft dismisses Xbox One online requirements and used-game fees as 'potential scenarios' | Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play)

hopefully the initial outcry is enough to get them to kill that idea

[SkinnyPupp]

Xbox One will not support Xbox 360 controllers | Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353912/xbox-one-will-not-support-xbox-360-controllers)
no 360 controller compatibility is a dick move
they have the same number of buttons and same basic shape
It would be impossible to get developers to use the new features if they have to keep backwards compatibility in mind.

[.Renn.Sport]

i hope it works in china.... internet here is unstable most of the times... who knows when the communist decides to ban xbox live....

[Manic!]

All gaming consoles. I don't game that much but somehow have all 3. In January deiced to go to EB games and pick up Gran Turismo 5. Found the new unopened Game of the year edition to be cheaper than a used version. :seriously::fulloffuck:

Get home turn on the PS3 that I have not turned on in months and put in the game. Then the updates start. It took 4 hours to do all the updates so I could play a game. 4 hours from putting in the disc to playing my first game What a load of crap.

What happened to the days of putting in a game playing for 15 minutes and then turning it off. It takes 10 minutes now just to start a game. I can understand what games on mobile phones are so popular now. No need to wast 1/2 a day just to play a game.

[dinamix]

Gaming is going downhill.I haven't bought a gaming system since n64

[Nabatron]

they purposely made the console thick as fuck! the next iteration of xbox one will be half the size most likely a year later. Over all the looks of the console looks like a old ass vcr!

[StylinRed]

All gaming consoles. I don't game that much but somehow have all 3. In January deiced to go to EB games and pick up Gran Turismo 5. Found the new unopened Game of the year edition to be cheaper than a used version. :seriously::fulloffuck:

Get home turn on the PS3 that I have not turned on in months and put in the game. Then the updates start. It took 4 hours to do all the updates so I could play a game. 4 hours from putting in the disc to playing my first game What a load of crap.

What happened to the days of putting in a game playing for 15 minutes and then turning it off. It takes 10 minutes now just to start a game. I can understand what games on mobile phones are so popular now. No need to wast 1/2 a day just to play a game.

the ps4 will supposedly let you play as you download even when buying a game through PSN you can supposedly start playing immediately as it downloads the rest of the game

[AWDTurboLuvr]

Love the HDMI pass through. I'll be able to do away with the shitty UI on most DVRs and use this one. Voice command will be great for channel changing too.

As far as the always online thing, I think you'll be able to play for longer than 24 hours...they'll just change how long you can remain offline before a necessary "connect" to the network is required. Used games will be allowed, just ironing out the policies around that.

Can't wait 'til I get to E3, lots of big reveals in terms of games for the X1.

[quasi]

I'll probably buy it for my kid but I've all but stopped console gaming unless I'm going to play a game of hockey or football with my son.

[wreck]

5 day forcast of sony's stock:

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1472944/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

[twitchyzero]

still too early to tell but right now PS4 looks like a much better product
I'm guessing the pricing will be very similar between the 2 consoles.

[A-Dev]

IGN News - Xbox One Doesnt Require an Always-On Internet Connection - YouTube

[Hehe]

I think XBox lost the focus. It's trying too hard on the media thing.

From what I gather so far, in order to get that nice PVR thing going, additional equipment is needed. Also, US ONLY at the moment. (I'm sure Rogers/Shaw/Telus/Bell gonna mark it up like no tomorrow if it ever makes its way to Canada)

3 OSes simutaneously?!?! WTF were they smoking? Out of the 8GB ram (DDR3 only vs DDR5 on PS4), only about 5.5GB is available for game devs.

Games are installed on HDD. I'm assuming the key for used copy would be closer to a full retail price to prevent users exploiting (i.e.: 5 dudes buy 1 copy and 4 extra licenses).

Kinect connected required for the XBOX to work. Thanks, but I'm not exactly comfortable knowing a camera pointing at my living room could be working 24/7 while connecting to the internet. What if I decide to bang a chick on the couch? I don't want XBox to suddenly go "I'm sorry, we couldn't understand your command" when chick is fucking screaming.

[ScizzMoney]

So games and saves will be stored on the 'cloud' so you can access them anywhere.. How could you access them anywhere if people say only 1 account per xbox?

Me no understand. I'm buying one regardless, just seems very early for everything to seem final.

[badboy]

Well Xbox guys, time to switch to PS4 :troll:

[StylinRed]

114million households don't have a broadband connection in the US / 29% dont have internet access at all

How are they going to play xbox one ;) they couldn't even afford used games now either

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/internet-access-american-households_n_2049123.html

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/119-million-americans-lack-broadband-internet-fcc-reports/

and 20% of GB don't either although 54% of those don't care for it http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/rdit2/internet-access---households-and-individuals/2012/stb-internet-access--households-and-individuals--2012.html

same with Canada http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/05/25/technology-internet-use-statistics-canada.html

[MarkyMark]

And a lot of people who do have internet access don't have cable because they torrent shit, so they won't be using the TV functions the XBOX One pushing so hard.

[Happy]

All gaming consoles. I don't game that much but somehow have all 3. In January deiced to go to EB games and pick up Gran Turismo 5. Found the new unopened Game of the year edition to be cheaper than a used version. :seriously::fulloffuck:

Get home turn on the PS3 that I have not turned on in months and put in the game. Then the updates start. It took 4 hours to do all the updates so I could play a game. 4 hours from putting in the disc to playing my first game What a load of crap.

What happened to the days of putting in a game playing for 15 minutes and then turning it off. It takes 10 minutes now just to start a game. I can understand what games on mobile phones are so popular now. No need to wast 1/2 a day just to play a game.

You know you could have just skipped the update and played the game. Then you could have downloaded it at night when you were sleeping so you have the full update by the time you wake up. Just some food for thought
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[twitchyzero]

that's what i do...if i see a patch >30mb :fuckthatshit: hit cancel
then again i do see see his point...it'll take like a good few minutes from the time you boot up the PS3 until you are in-game GT5 racing.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

I think XBox lost the focus. It's trying too hard on the media thing.

From what I gather so far, in order to get that nice PVR thing going, additional equipment is needed. Also, US ONLY at the moment. (I'm sure Rogers/Shaw/Telus/Bell gonna mark it up like no tomorrow if it ever makes its way to Canada)

3 OSes simutaneously?!?! WTF were they smoking? Out of the 8GB ram (DDR3 only vs DDR5 on PS4), only about 5.5GB is available for game devs.

Games are installed on HDD. I'm assuming the key for used copy would be closer to a full retail price to prevent users exploiting (i.e.: 5 dudes buy 1 copy and 4 extra licenses).

Kinect connected required for the XBOX to work. Thanks, but I'm not exactly comfortable knowing a camera pointing at my living room could be working 24/7 while connecting to the internet. What if I decide to bang a chick on the couch? I don't want XBox to suddenly go "I'm sorry, we couldn't understand your command" when chick is fucking screaming.

Devs can shut down cores during games so the OS is running on minimal power. It's also why you can suspend and do other tasks on the fly on a console. Without reserve CPU power for the background OS, you won't have cross-party chat. PS3 didn't reserve anything. Thats the big reason why PS3 didn't have that feature until more recently and XMB is poorly implemented as such.

I'd like devs to be able to code the ability to listen to my custom soundtrack but still have threads dedicated to streaming sound effects.

BTW, what additional equipment do you need for your set-top box to work with this? Telus DVRs already works with Kinect 1.0.

[MikeyStyle]

http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20130524-6893c.png

[A-Dev]

I don't get what the big deal is about the whole internet connection thing.

If your going to drop the 300-400 dollars on this unit your definitely connecting it to online services.

Realistically how many of the whatever percentage of people that do not have internet access are going to buy this or any other gaming console.

[ScizzMoney]

^^
I think people just like to complain about shit.

[gilly]

.

[StylinRed]

I don't get what the big deal is about the whole internet connection thing.

If your going to drop the 300-400 dollars on this unit your definitely connecting it to online services.

Realistically how many of the whatever percentage of people that do not have internet access are going to buy this or any other gaming console.

i dunno but how often do you see christmas videos or ghetto fabulous videos where the low income families have an xbox? quite often

and systems don't stay at 3-400 for long at all

[ForbiddenX]

^Well I guess we'll start seeing videos of them opening PS4.

Might effect military camps stationed elsewhere and they don't get internet?

[bloodmack]

Well, it seems like my 2000+ dollar investment in a gaming computer is finally paying off. :P

[Lomac]

I don't get what the big deal is about the whole internet connection thing.

If your going to drop the 300-400 dollars on this unit your definitely connecting it to online services.

Realistically how many of the whatever percentage of people that do not have internet access are going to buy this or any other gaming console.

I've owned almost every type of console available since the Atari 2600 and of all of them only my PS3 is connected to the internet. And the only reason why the PS3 is hooked up is to update the shitty EA games that come in barely post-Beta form. I don't play online multiplayer games, either. Sure, at my place in the Lower Mainland, my internet is fast and plentiful; however, in the Interior I can barely stream Netflix in SD format before it has conniptions and dies. As a result, I don't bother connecting anything but my computer up to the internet since the only internet service available up there is spotty satellite service. Owning a system that requires an internet connection to periodically "check" your unit is a waste of money for me, no matter how good the games and hardware may be.

[A-Dev]

I've owned almost every type of console available since the Atari 2600 and of all of them only my PS3 is connected to the internet. And the only reason why the PS3 is hooked up is to update the shitty EA games that come in barely post-Beta form. I don't play online multiplayer games, either. Sure, at my place in the Lower Mainland, my internet is fast and plentiful; however, in the Interior I can barely stream Netflix in SD format before it has conniptions and dies. As a result, I don't bother connecting anything but my computer up to the internet since the only internet service available up there is spotty satellite service. Owning a system that requires an internet connection to periodically "check" your unit is a waste of money for me, no matter how good the games and hardware may be.

That's fair, but the majority of the target market for the console are probably not in your situation.

All I am trying to say is I don't see what the issue is. This next gen xbox is the first electronic to require an internet connection to work properly. (it may still work without a daily connection, nothing has been finalized)

I think that more electronics and OS's in the not so distant future will be rolling out the same type of "internet required" services.

[Manic!]

You know you could have just skipped the update and played the game. Then you could have downloaded it at night when you were sleeping so you have the full update by the time you wake up. Just some food for thought
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It was like 10 updates including firmware. I am probable wrong but I thought it was mandatory.

[G-spec]

It should be pretty obvious to everyone why they're pushing this always online connectivity bullshit, it's just a massive window into more ad revenue for companies like Microsoft and Sony, they do it under the guise of "it's cool to be connected to everything everyone all teh time" THATS why a lot of people have a PROBLEM with it, it's an insult to your intelligence first of all, and secondly it just doesn't follow the guidelines of common sense that is you own something when you pay for it, it's yours in full...... on the other relevant subject the resale shit, Steam for example, all you're doing is renting basically, you don't even own the shit you buy on Steam and Origin and all these other services, this is the world of gaming now, makes me glad I'm not a gamer anymore. And if you wanna be convinced it's ok because it's the "future" then......

on that subject, this vid cracked me up

The Xbox One Experience (VideoGamer.com) - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

still too early to tell but right now PS4 looks like a much better product
I'm guessing the pricing will be very similar between the 2 consoles.
It IS too early to tell, it would be foolish to say one is better than the other right now. There is a LOT of misinformation, and people shitting on policies that don't even exist.

Now that is Microsoft's fault for having their execs give this misinformation. But as soon as they say "no that's not what we meant" then you should ignore the misinformation.

More info is coming out, and it has been confirmed that there is no fee to activate a used game (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4362680/xbox-one-games-will-require-regular-authentication-checks-used-games), for instance.

There will be online activation, since as you know, offline piracy prevention is almost impossible. Since game installation is mandatory, my guess is that if you want to sell the game, you will have to uninstall the game first, deauthorizing it on your machine. After that, you can sell the game, and the next person can install it and authorize it.

If you have internet that is not online 24 hours a day, then don't get an Xbox One. Does that mean get a PS4 instead? Not necessarily... Sony hasn't said what their policy is yet, so assuming that they won't do something similar is just dumb. They could very well be doing the exact same thing - or maybe something even worse. It's just that there is no info about it yet - good or bad.

So just wait until more info comes out before deciding anything.

IMO PC gaming is the way to go anyway, for most hardcore gamers. Consoles are only worthwhile for exclusive titles. Everything else will be better on a decent pc.

[TjAlmeida]

Consoles are only worthwhile for exclusive titles. Everything else will be better on a decent pc.

Good info, but got to say i enjoy consoles for the fact that when people come over it is easy to play in a group of friends and family.

[SkinnyPupp]

Good info, but got to say i enjoy consoles for the fact that when people come over it is easy to play in a group of friends and family.
I agree that's why I put in the 'hardcore gamer' part which you left out :)

[A-Dev]

It should be pretty obvious to everyone why they'intelligence shing this always online connectivity bullshit, it's just a massive window into more ad revenue for companies like Microsoft and Sony, they do it under the guise of "it's cool to be connected to everything everyone all teh time" THATS why a lot of people have a PROBLEM with it, it's an insult to your intelligence first of all, and secondly it just doesn't follow the guidelines of common sense that is you own something when you pay for it, it's yours in full...... on the other relevant subject the resale shit, Steam for example, all you're doing is renting basically, you don't even own the shit you buy on Steam and Origin and all these other services, this is the world of gaming now, makes me glad I'm not a gamer anymore. And if you wanna be convinced it's ok because it's the "future" then......

on that subject, this vid cracked me up

Lol you make it sound like a conspiracy theory.

So what if it's a window for advertising, how is that an insult to our intelligence?
Television has been doing it for decades.

[SkinnyPupp]

It should be pretty obvious to everyone why they're pushing this always online connectivity bullshit, it's just a massive window into more ad revenue for companies like Microsoft and Sony, they do it under the guise of "it's cool to be connected to everything everyone all teh time" THATS why a lot of people have a PROBLEM with it, it's an insult to your intelligence first of all, and secondly it just doesn't follow the guidelines of common sense that is you own something when you pay for it, it's yours in full...... on the other relevant subject the resale shit, Steam for example, all you're doing is renting basically, you don't even own the shit you buy on Steam and Origin and all these other services, this is the world of gaming now, makes me glad I'm not a gamer anymore. And if you wanna be convinced it's ok because it's the "future" then......

on that subject, this vid cracked me up

The Xbox One Experience (VideoGamer.com) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/z2iku7pkbf0)
No, it's the future. Do you still buy CD's? Does anyone? Do you buy games on Steam? Guess what, those games and that music all need to be authenticated before you can play them too.

[JesseBlue]

xbox trying to be like the boxee box...hehe...

[G-spec]

No, it's the future. Do you still buy CD's? Does anyone? Do you buy games on Steam? Guess what, those games and that music all need to be authenticated before you can play them too.


You're insinuating that a majority of people don't have a problem with making purchases like this, because what ? because you're basing this off some numbers you see put out there by companies, Steam coming out saying hey we got a 100 million users or whatever, iTunes sold this many albums this year, etc.... so it's legit to you ?
I have a problem with paying full price for something and not owning it at the end of the day, whether it's a game or a system, I hardly think I'm the odd person out.




Lol you make it sound like a conspiracy theory.

So what if it's a window for advertising, how is that an insult to our intelligence?
Television has been doing it for decades.


I wasn't theorizing up in here, everyone out there with half a brain knows what's taking place in Silicon Valley with big companies like Microsoft, Google, etc..... as far as information gathering, it's not some conspiracy thread, it's general knowledge already out there for those who want to look at it.
And I used a common example of adverts trying to bring up ties to some of this tracking software being utilized by tech companies, but I didn't really feel like writing a lengthy paragraph on the whole subject, I assumed people would get the point.

[SkinnyPupp]

You're insinuating that a majority of people don't have a problem with making purchases like this, because what ? because you're basing this off some numbers you see put out there by companies, Steam coming out saying hey we got a 100 million users or whatever, iTunes sold this many albums this year, etc.... so it's legit to you ?
I have a problem with paying full price for something and not owning it at the end of the day, whether it's a game or a system, I hardly think I'm the odd person out.

The numbers they give ARE "legit to me". Your personal anecdotes are NOT. One refers to actual real results and numbers, the other refers to your personal opinion. Maybe you are the "odd man out" maybe you're not. What you have to do is look at the actual numbers. Don't ignore them just because you don't personally agree with millions of others.

[G-spec]

that's fine, but there's not one single, solid common sense of a reason that you or anyone else can come up with to convince me of why I should pay to basically rent something and have it held in cyber space or some "magical" cloud.

I mean for real.... a company telling you something is obsolete because it really is, or because they really have the most to benefit from fooling you into thinking it is

:considered:

[SkinnyPupp]

I am trying to think of the last PC game I bought that was on a physical disk... Crysis maybe?

And I know the last music CD I bought was the latest Guns N Roses album, and even that was more for nostalgia than anything.

I do find it more convenient to have everything there for me when I need to move it across different platforms. If I buy a game on Steam, it's there for me, no matter what computer I'm on. I have been traveling in the last 2 months on a laptop.. I couldn't possibly bring all my games with me, especially since most of them would be unplayable on it. But I did install Steam on it, and can play less intensive games that I bought. I was really hooked on FTL for a while there.

And music, no matter where you buy it, it's nice to be able to grab it whenever you need it. It would be even better to be in the states, where you can subscribe to streaming services. Don't even need to buy music, just stream it based on preferences.

When I did buy music, DVDs and PC games on disc, I NEVER sold them. So now I have this huge collection of discs, some are basically archives of what I have.. I guess I could sell them for $2 or $3 a pop but why bother?

So yes, I think it IS obsolete to deal with physical media. Not because a company told me, but because it makes media consumption better.

I find that for most people who are complaining about this stuff, it all boils down to one thing - they want to be able to pirate their shit.

[SkinnyPupp]

I wrote an opinion piece on the promised features of the new consoles :)

Xbox One and Playstation 4: Which Promises Will be Broken? (http://www.hardcoreware.net/xbox-one-ps4-which-promises-will-be-broken/)

[G-spec]

Yea I easily see your point about convenience aspect of it, I myself would rather have an external hard drive hooked up to my PC with all my media on it as opposed to a collection of DVD's and Games, etc... now. But just a few years ago I would have thought a shelf of a bunch of cool media was just way cooler, I still do, but it is just more useful storing it.... I'm in the middle somewhere personally, not buying fully what the companies are selling but I'm not in the past with both feet either

Bu the other thing that's freaky too is the Kinect having to be connected at all times, there was some talk of that too, like how fcked up is having a camera pointed at you at all times 24/7.... most likely that shit will not fly, as that's going too far, but what's even more fcked up is that these companies would actually love to be able to do that, they would love to have a camera pointed at you in that manner.
So that's the type of trend they're putting forth these days and it's exactly why I am out and so are many others.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.

And music, no matter where you buy it, it's nice to be able to grab it whenever you need it. It would be even better to be in the states, where you can subscribe to streaming services. Don't even need to buy music, just stream it based on preferences.

Korea has this service by Melon where you can pay $4 a month for unlimited streaming and music videos via PC and mobile platforms. It has both domestic Korean and international songs. It works well here because almost everyone has an unlimited data plan on their smartphones.

Meanwhile in the States, you have Google All Access. Pretty much the same concept as far as I know, but much more expensive ($10) and data plans are capped. I'm waiting to see if Apple will release their own version as iTunes is a much better platform than both of the aforementioned.

[.Renn.Sport]

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.



Because people don't wanna hook that shit up every single time to watch something.

btw, I just use my Apple TV and Airplay stuff off video streaming apps or Plex with any of my iOS devices. Not to mention my friends can watch whatever they want on any of my tv just using their iphone since I got an Apple TV connected to almost every tv in the house.


I also don't really care if the system has to be online. None of my consoles has been "offline" since I got the xbox 360 in 2005. What I really like about the new XBOX is that all games will be tied to my Xbox live account. Now I could have multiple xbox with my library of games in different places and pick up and play the game exactly where I left off with cloud saves. Its just a pity now that the disc I buy will never be used after the initial install and authentication.

[Mr.HappySilp]

that's fine, but there's not one single, solid common sense of a reason that you or anyone else can come up with to convince me of why I should pay to basically rent something and have it held in cyber space or some "magical" cloud.

I mean for real.... a company telling you something is obsolete because it really is, or because they really have the most to benefit from fooling you into thinking it is

:considered:

So you like to own a hard copy of games, then let me ask you this, do you own a smart phone? Do you not use apps/games that you download onto your smart and use? Do you actually have a hard copy of all the apps/games you have on your smart phone?

Simply put every app you have on your smart phone is store on some cyper 'cloud' . If you dislike the system don't use a smart phone.:rukidding:

[twitchyzero]

I built an HTPC few years back but these days media streamers are capable enough to replace them. I agree hooking up a laptop each time seems like a hassle.

If people are concerned about their privacy and Kinect on 24/7...why not just turn off your XBOX when you aren't using it?

I get the argument of why someone would want physical media over digital download and see it as actual ownership of a product...and you can have 'smaller' companies like Ubisoft's uPlay going bankrupt and then their servers going offline = losing your game collection...but it's not really a concern for Steam or even Origin. Regardless, digital download is the future and those buying PC physical formats are definitely in the minority.

[G-spec]

Happy what are you talking about ? we have absolutely no choice when it comes to smart phones in regards to what they offer... the app thing you bring up, that's even a worse analogy than the guy last page about Television commercials


I don't think I'm making myself clear, I don't have a problem with always online on consoles for the basics like updates and things of that nature... but when it turns to invasion of privacy type of issues, that's what me and most other people have issues with.

[SkinnyPupp]

Your phone invades your privacy WAY more than Xbox One ever will. Not only is it reading everything you do, including your emails, it knows where you go every day.

I don't really get the paranoia people have said they had with kinect always being on. It's not like MS will be using it to spy on people. These same people complianing probably use gmail or hotmail and smartphones with apps which really ARE 'spying' on them in certain ways. And complaining of it on Facebook is the most hilarious thing of al!

[G-spec]

^ oh I know, read about all that tracking mess that Apple had not too long ago, and I shit my pants the first time I switched to Android and downloaded an app then the popup came up saying exactly what that app was asking permissions for.... like the ability to look through my contact lists, browsing history, texts, etc.....
then I had it rooted and got a firewall up there and all that....

I understand it's a no win for the consumer at the end of the day, we buy their products we are gonna end up using it the way they want us to use it one way or another eventually.

[JesseBlue]

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash.



i have a boxee box and no laptop...it cost around 200 bux and is always connected to my tv...cheaper than a laptop...better GUI...

[A-Dev]

regarding privacy on smartphones, consoles, programs, apps, etc. Isn't that the reason they created privacy policies? Not that anyone reads them but they will have all the information in there regarding what they will and will not do with your information.

If that policy is broken in anyway that's where legal action comes into play.

If you read the privacy policy and you don't agree with how they will use your information the simple solution would be to not use/download said product.

Edit:

Regarding the Kinect being on all the time, I have not seen any information showing that the camera is active when the console is turned off. For all we know it's just the microphone array waiting for the "xbox on" command which in turn then activates the camera/console to discover and identify the user.

Having the Kinect camera up and running 24/7 would be extremely inefficient don't you think.

then again I could be very wrong

[jaguar604]

TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One, RUMOR: downclocking GPU - NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869)

I have just read some of the information on this neograf forum and it sounds like MS got trolled by Sony big time.

Back in January, Sony announced to 3rd party developers that the PS4 would have 4GB of RAM, which sounded awesome for MS because they planned to have 4GB of RAM as well in the Xbox One. February comes around and Sony announces the PS4 will have 8GB DDR5 RAM which causes MS to lose their shit and panic, delaying the reveal to May because they have to update the specs.

Now the rumour is, because it was revealed that the Xbox One only has 8GB DDR3 ram that they have been forced to incorporate eSRAM on the CPU/GPU to match the PS4. Apparently MS is having huge reliability issues manufacturing these chips because of how complex they are, forcing them to downgrade the clock speed and ultimately making the Xbox One the inferior console.

[ScizzMoney]

^
You probably also believe Square-Enix shortened FF13 because it wanted to make it for Xbox too.

[SkinnyPupp]

Uh oh Neo GAF says it's a "TRUTHFACT" so it must be true!

[SkinnyPupp]

Just to throw some logic into the fanboy fire that is bound to ignite:

Using side loaded RAM direct to the GPU is nothing new. When the system ram is normally slow, it's the best solution in terms of cost without trading away too much in performance. You'll see when you find out how much the PS4 costs ;)

Intel does it with their high end Haswell CPUs now too... Not the desktop kind, but the laptop or all-in-one desktops.

And BTW the reason Sony told developers they would be using 4GB wasn't to "troll" Microsoft - that was the plan. GDDR5 is really expensive, and 8GB would have been prohibitively expensive (the console would probably cost over $1000 USD each). However a recent die shrink made it possible to use 8GB at a 'reasonable' cost (we'll find out what that is when they announce the price).

So Sony isn't "trolling" Microsoft by originally using 4GB. They had no choice based on the type of ram they chose - they just fluked out when the price went down right before they started manufacturing consoles.

Also Durango has always had 8GB in its design. It wasn't in reaction to Sony, and they didn't delay any announcement. It was going to be Sony with 4GB of fast ram, and MS with 8GB of slow ram with 32MB SRAM cache to mitigate the slowness. Like I said, Sony got lucky and ended up being able to match Microsoft's 8GB system ram. However it all comes down to price for a lot of people, and we still have to wait for that to be announced. Don't expect that to happen at E3 though

And yes, the PS4 will have better graphics capability than the Xbox One. What does that mean for the actual games? We don't know, and there is no telling yet. The most likely scenario is that multi platform games will be developed to the lowest common denominator, and maybe have some extra non-gameplay changing eye candy for the PS4 version. things like slightly better textures or better AA. But it's not like it will run at a higher res, or a higher framerate. Framerates will be locked at 30 or 60 (most likely 30) on both consoles. I doubt there will ever be a situation where one is 30 and the other is 60, although it is possible that one will have tearing issues while the other does not (and btw this could actually be the faster console with these problems)

First party titles on the other hand, will be able to really push the console to the limits, and this is where the PS4 will be able to flex its muscle.

[mr_chin]

that's what i do...if i see a patch >30mb :fuckthatshit: hit cancel
then again i do see see his point...it'll take like a good few minutes from the time you boot up the PS3 until you are in-game GT5 racing.

What???

I turned on my PS3 today after 3 months to play RE: Revelations and there was an update that is 90mb. Took 4 minutes to download and about a minute to install.

Then there was a 30 mb update for the actual game that took 30 seconds to download AND install.

Pro tip: Wire connect your ps3.

Anyways, if PS4 really has shared features where you can record your game play and share it... XBox is done.

[TOPEC]

Since we're on the topic, I'm just going to say something that's probably ignorant.

I honestly don't get why people have HTPCs.. Most people have laptops nowadays. Just hook that shit up to your television and save some cash

if u hook ur laptop up to the tv, it kinda defeats the portability of a laptop since itll be wired to the tv, which means most likely desk bound, so u wont be able to sit back on a couch, play movies from ur laptop and use ur laptop at the same time.

first world problems i know

[A-Dev]

Anyways, if PS4 really has shared features where you can record your game play and share it... XBox is done.

FYI: Xbox has this feature as well.

[SkinnyPupp]

MS has cleared up (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main) some of their policies:

-There is no fee to sell a game, unless a publisher specifically creates one. They cal also prevent games from being sold or traded at all.
-One account's library can be used by op to 10 "family members". Not sure how they are determining this
-No more renting games on disc
-Console must connect at least once a day to be able to play games (this is probably the smallest issue)

NOTE: Don't assume that Sony's lack of announcements of similar policies means that they won't be doing the same or worse. This is the direction media is going. In fact PC has been this way for a long time... Most people use Steam, which does not let you give your games to people, or even sell them or trade them in, and you can't rent games either.

I personally see no reason to get an Xbox One or PS4 instead of a good PC though. Unless you REALLY like the exclusives they have to offer.

[yogenfruz]

The requirement to connect to the internet at least once per day is the killer for me. Sure I have WiFi throughout my house, but I still want to be able to play any time I want, internet or not.

[MarkyMark]

The whole Internet thing doesn't bother me cause I'll have wifi on all the time, but I can see how it would suck for certain people.

And I'll still always prefer the ease of a console compared to a computer. I know I might not get the best graphics but I know if I spend the 400-500 bucks for it, it's going to work with any game I pop into it for the next 7 years or so. I really have no issue spending that kind of money on a piece of hardware that has that kind of longevity. Hell some people spend 650 bucks on a phone every year.
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[Vansterdam]

I've bought alot of games on my 360 through the DLC/XBOX points cards .

The one thing I absolutely hated was that you had to be connected online at all times to be able to play these games. Which really sucks if your internet is down or if your connection sucks, even though you have already paid and the games are saved onto your harddrive. :bullshit:

[twitchyzero]

MS has cleared up (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main) some of their policies:

-There is no fee to sell a game, unless a publisher specifically creates one. They cal also prevent games from being sold or traded at all.
-One account's library can be used by op to 10 "family members". Not sure how they are determining this
-No more renting games on disc
-Console must connect at least once a day to be able to play games (this is probably the smallest issue)

NOTE: Don't assume that Sony's lack of announcements of similar policies means that they won't be doing the same or worse. This is the direction media is going. In fact PC has been this way for a long time... Most people use Steam, which does not let you give your games to people, or even sell them or trade them in, and you can't rent games either.

I personally see no reason to get an Xbox One or PS4 instead of a good PC though. Unless you REALLY like the exclusives they have to offer.
you can sell a game but can't rent one?

how does that work

[Hehe]

you can sell a game but can't rent one?

how does that work

They only allow one single transfer (to a person whose has been on your friend's list for 30days+)... so you can technically sell (once) but the buyer is stuck with it forever)

All in all, I think the announcement for clearing things up actually turned out worse than I imagined/rumoured.

It basically confirms that XB1 is not going to support used market. And no, being able to sell once to someone on my friendlist is not selling. It's more like giving a game that I no longer wanna play... EVER.

M$ wanna pull off a Steam on their own right but WITHOUT the Steam pricing. (rumours suggest $79/title?!? :rukidding: )

I think I'm ok with all these shitty restrictions if games were $10~30 a pop, but I'm unlikely to buy any new IP on the first day at $79, as I might be out of almost $100 (79+tax) if the title turns out to be shitty.

[Lomac]

Whelp, until the internet improves throughout the Interior, guess I'm stuck with my PS3 and 360. I'm just going to assume that Sony will be along similar lines of requiring internet connection at least once/day.

It's just sad that I have more reliable internet connection on my phone than through satellite for my computer.

I'm vaguely curious what'll happen if it doesn't detect the internet, though. Will it just simply refuse to load the game?

[StylinRed]

steams 1 game per account thing has always been a pita for me especially since 2 different games can't be played at the same time from different computers -_-

but at least games typically go on sale and are cheap enough that i dont mind buying a game twice

doesnt help for new releases though

[urrh]

the once a day verification bit still sucks. it doesn't add anything to the consumer and just delays getting to the game; even if the delay is 1 sec, still be less annoying if it wasn't there.
it's easy to not turn on a console for a day. you're out of luck if your internet goes out and the last time you played something was more than 24hrs ago.

[MarkyMark]

So does the Xbox One with all your games turn into a brick one day when they decide they don't want to support the servers anymore after the XBox 2 comes out? Basically your games are useless unless the online verification is there to say "OK". If I buy a game online and have it downloaded on my system why do I need a verification to say its ok to play every 24 hours...
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[twitchyzero]

M$ wanna pull off a Steam on their own right but WITHOUT the Steam pricing. (rumours suggest $79/title?!? :rukidding: )

Agreed, if you wanna DRM the prices better not be too far from Steam/GMG/Amazon or it's gonna flop

I'm just going to assume that Sony will be along similar lines of requiring internet connection at least once/day.
Sony already confirmed there won't be online authentication but nothing's concrete yet for used games. It'd be smart move to continue used games to win xbox fans over but I don't see the publishers letting that happen...it'll give the PS4 too much advantage.

2 different games can't be played at the same time from different computers -_-


:rukidding: it's the same idea as a physical disc...you can't play simatenously on 2 systems. That'll create so much headache esp for online games.

[StylinRed]

:rukidding: it's the same idea as a physical disc...you can't play simatenously on 2 systems. That'll create so much headache esp for online games.

no.. im talking about 2 completely different games

like player 1 is playing left4dead while player 2 wants to play lanoire or something

"2 different"

[A-Dev]

Everybody HATES XBOX ONE?!? - Inside Gaming Daily - YouTube

[StylinRed]

"but you can still watch live TV" :rofl:

[SkinnyPupp]

you can sell a game but can't rent one?

how does that work
Every single game you play needs to be 'confirmed' by MS servers before playing. They have it set up very strict, so they know each game is tied to an account and its 10 family accounts. A game can be transferred or given away if the publisher allows it... this easily prevents rentals

[rsx]

So you need internet connection all the time? That sucks balls.

[Graeme S]

They only allow one single transfer (to a person whose has been on your friend's list for 30days+)... so you can technically sell (once) but the buyer is stuck with it forever)

Actually, the way they stated it was kind of vague. "Each user is allowed to transfer a game they own once"; so the hypothesis goes two ways:
One: A game can be sold once and only once
Two: A game can be sold once by its original owner, and then to another new owner, and then to another new owner and so on...

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah, you are confusing gifting (to someone on your friends list) to selling (to a 'participating retailer'). One can only be done once for certain, but the other, they haven't said if there is a limit or not. Presumably not

[Mr.HappySilp]

The online thing isn't a killer since I use steam anyways.

To be honest sales might be as good for xbox or sony this time. Yes hardcore gamers and gamers who want a console will still get one but a lot of casual gamers won't get one simply if they have an ipad, tablet they won't feel the need to get a console.

Sure the controls aren't as good and a lot of the games have the same control but hey if you already own a tablet and the game only cost say 2.99 to 16.99 per game on your tablet vs a new console + at least $40 per game which one will you pick as a casual gamer?

[Cman333]

After skimming through this I find myself not wanting an XB1 now lol.

I was pretty stoked. Now it seems like such a pain in the ass. Especially if I can't buy used titles or sell off games I've bought. I don't know how many times I've bought games a launch date to only be disappointed. Last thing I was is to pay $80 to find out I hate the game and get stuck with it. I would definitely buy less games. I myself buy alot of games (new and used), most the time new. But I'd say 40% of the time the game I bought at launch wasn't my type of game and I just resell it at a slight loss. If I can't even do that, I won't even buy the game at all until there's enough reviews on it. By that time the hype is over and I probably won't even want it at all. I got to admit I bought alot more xbox/ps3 titles then PC. The PC titles I bought were games I know I would keep. But that's only like 3-4 games/year. Console games I probably bought 10+/year for each console.

Hope they think of the gamers, instead of making themselves richer.

[StylinRed]

thought sony had confirmed that used games would be fine on ps4 months ago?

[SkinnyPupp]

thought sony had confirmed that used games would be fine on ps4 months ago?
No, they haven't said anything specifically at all.

A lot of people are clinging to the quote "The Playstation 4 will not need to constantly be on the internet to play games" but even that is not a good quote to consider as a clear statement of fact.

[.Renn.Sport]

So now, I could even share my games with my "family" accounts. Does that mean that my friends will now only need to link to one account that buys 1 copy game and share it across 10 people?

[Graeme S]

I'm going to guess that Microsoft's not quite that thick; most likely there will be some kind of combination of:
>Only one person able to play the game at a time
> Only IPs that have been logged in to by the owner's account can access the game (this would prevent someone who lives in Toronto from being my "brother" and letting me play his games for free)
>Familial verification through logging in together on a single device and/or registering "family" accounts together with some sort of proof or other.

Forced to be gregarious, they at least won't be too thick about it.

[StylinRed]

^^^^ maybe like the PS3 where games can only be downloaded/accessed by 5 machines in total; so maybe your best buddy and family member can have the game for free



so with companies like facebook/google/msft/etc allowing the govt. backdoors into their systems to monitor people (the current PRISM fiasco) does anyone expect Kinect not to be used in a similar fashion? ;)

[rsx]

^ that'd be a smart way of adding pictures and family members into your nsa profile lol.

[StylinRed]

still so weird seeing the MGS trailer during an Xbox pc -_-



wow the MSFT press conference was boring maybe im just not a gamer anymore those games didn't appeal to me :/

titanfall looked okay but the story of invading a planet to take their resources is a bit of a wtf? and it wont be available until sometime in 2014 same with the new Halo


Xbox One: $500
Gold Acct: $50
Release: November

with no interesting launch title imo



hopefully playstations press conference doesn't disappoint

[MarkyMark]

Will be interesting to see what price point Sony comes in at
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[.Renn.Sport]

I hope HK will be one of the launch territories. Can't wait to play Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3!

[Manic!]

Start a kickstarter campaign for a Kinect camera cover?



:considered:

[twitchyzero]

reminds me a lot like the PS3 launch...meh at best
the only exclusive that stood-out was Ryse but there's too much QTE
$500 is asking too much IMO
it made sense when PS3 shipped with BD drive 7 years ago to charge that price
If sony can undercut them with a $399 tag they'll have a strong start unlike the current gen.

[Preemo]

reminds me a lot like the PS3 launch...meh at best
the only exclusive that stood-out was Ryse but there's too much QTE
$500 is asking too much IMO
it made sense when PS3 shipped with BD drive 7 years ago to charge that price
If sony can undercut them with a $399 tag they'll have a strong start unlike the current gen.

http://i.imgur.com/MKPGjUT.png

[ForbiddenX]

I may be one of the few but I might end up getting a Xbox One before getting a PS4. I really prefer the Xbox controller over the PS one, it just feels a lot more comfortable for me. We'll see what else Sony announces in their presser later this evening.

I have a feeling the PS4 will be $399 since it doesn't require an extra peripheral (Kinect). Specs are almost identical as well.

[twitchyzero]

wtf latest ipad non-3G 16GB is $500? I guess if you don't mind a bit of price gouging $500 is dandy

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/console-prices-absolute-1.png
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/console-prices-relative-2.png

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/177337/Sizing_up_Wii_Us_price_tag_against_history.php

[urrh]

i don't the the ps4 will be $100 less than xbone. that's a big hunk of change when they expect to sell millions of consoles

[StylinRed]

If their games are strong they won't need to be cheaper but I could see Sony go a bit less than the Xbox one, im just hoping they launch earlier than msft simply so I can get a new console sooner ;)

[bartone]

Is anyone pre-ordering the day one edition of the XB1? Is it worth it? lol...

[Hehe]

I only came back to this thread to say one thing:

GG

:troll:

[StylinRed]

http://i.imgur.com/iosIZYS.gif

[Chronix]

http://i.imgur.com/iY8ZXq2.gif

[DanHibiki]

prob ps4 for me too

[604778]

Microsoft delays Xbox One launch in Asia by a whole year, forgets to even mention Japan (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-launch-asia-2014/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget)

If you thought November 2013 was too long to wait, bear a thought for Asian gamers who will apparently have to wait those six months, plus an additional twelve, to pick up their Xbox One. According to Alan Bowman, Microsoft's Regional VP for Sales and Marketing in Asia, the new console will launch in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and India around late 2014. (Note the lack of Japan on that list, we're still checking with Microsoft on that.) These are all regions that have been marked as gaming high-growth areas by Microsoft -- the VP added that the Xbox 360 became the top-selling console in Asia this year. The company's also pointed to its next-generation Kinect sensor, one that will work in "dramatically reduced" room spaces and, according Bowman, will be better attuned to Asian gamers who might not have living room space in their homes.

[fsy82]

Microsoft is messing up big time..might be switching to the PS4

[SkinnyPupp]

Kinect was never even a possibility for me, and my living room is a decent size by HK standards I think.

Not that I would be interested anyway :fuckthatshit:

Besides, most of the TV stuff Xbone has is useless in Asia anyway I think.

[.Renn.Sport]

Microsoft delays Xbox One launch in Asia by a whole year, forgets to even mention Japan (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-launch-asia-2014/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget)

Fuck microsoft!
If it wasn't for region lock, I would definitely pick up a US machine. Almost all the games so far that I want to play is Xbox exclusive

[Vansterdam]

i've always been a die hard xbox 360 fan over the PS3 even though i owned both.

however with the new consoles coming im def switching over to the PS4 for all my gaming

I wish microsoft/xbox would do a online poll with their existing XBL users and see how many people are doing the switch over as well. :lawl:

[DanHibiki]

i've always been a die hard xbox 360 fan over the PS3 even though i owned both.

however with the new consoles coming im def switching over to the PS4 for all my gaming

I wish microsoft/xbox would do a online poll with their existing XBL users and see how many people are doing the switch over as well. :lawl:

Are people switching solely because of the used games/24 hour internet connection issues?
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[A-Dev]

I will be sticking with Xbox (mind you I will probably buy both). I prefer the xbox live match making and overall xbox live experience to PSN. Connection and used game issues don't apply to me so I am looking at what type of new experiences each console can give me.

Hopefully we can also expect a much higher level of stability and cloud powered gaming when microsoft bumps it's live servers from 15,000 to 300,000.

We can only wait and see.

[twitchyzero]

:facepalm:
Microsoft Xbox Executive Don Mattrick Response to PS4 Xbox One Bashing E3 2013 - YouTube

MS is going around youtube deleting these clips

[roflwaffle604]

lol this shit just gets better and better everyday

[SkinnyPupp]

I think Microsoft is well aware of how many people buy a console and use it exclusively online. It sounds crass of them to say it when you edit the clip down to 18 seconds and add a whacky sound effect at the end, but it's the truth. If you are one of the very few who can buy a $500 machine but not have internet access, then you really should stick to the 360 or PS3 (or possibly the PS4, we don't know yet how publishers will handle game activation)

[MarkyMark]

At least with the PS4 you'll have the choice. If a publisher puts out a game that requires you to be online all the time, you can choose not to support them and not buy the game. XBox One makes it required for every game regardless of what the publisher says.

[SkinnyPupp]

At least with the PS4 you'll have the choice. If a publisher puts out a game that requires you to be online all the time, you can choose not to support them and not buy the game. XBox One makes it required for every game regardless of what the publisher says.
Yup that's true. And we've seen what happens when games are published with restrictive DRM (people on the internet get mad, games sell like crazy anyway)

[MarkyMark]

Time will tell, if MS outsells Sony with their more expensive DRM loving TV box which big selling point will only be available in the states for who knows how long, my hat goes off to them.
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[DanHibiki]

I think Microsoft is well aware of how many people buy a console and use it exclusively online. It sounds crass of them to say it, but it's the truth. If you are one of the very few who can buy a $500 machine but not have internet access, then you really should stick to the 360 or PS3 (or possibly the PS4, we don't know yet how publishers will handle game activation)

internet trolls love to blow things up and people in the internet love to follow.

I follow the fighting game community a lot and it's exactly like that. They will blow anything up even if they know deep down that it probably won't affect them much or at all.

[SkinnyPupp]

internet trolls love to blow things up and people in the internet love to follow.

I follow the fighting game community a lot and it's exactly like that. They will blow anything up even if they know deep down that it probably won't affect them much or at all.
Yup that's the internet overall... MMA forums are the same way. People bitching about this guy or that not "deserving" a title shot, without realizing it's a business, and the guys who matter are the ones that sell tickets and PPVs.

[Lomac]

Time will tell, if MS outsells Sony with their more expensive DRM loving TV box which big selling point will only be available in the states for who knows how long, my hat goes off to them.
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I have no doubt that the One will sell well. It's still an impressive machine (for a console, at least) and, truth be told, the amount of people without internet access are pretty few and far between. The people that complain the most are almost always the same vocal minority that will complain even if they were offered the best system possible for dirt cheap.

But yeah, the big selling points always seem to be USA-exclusive, making them a non-factor for the rest of the world.

I'm still curious how well the Kinect will work in low light situations.

[Preemo]

I have no doubt that the One will sell well. It's still an impressive machine (for a console, at least) and, truth be told, the amount of people without internet access are pretty few and far between. The people that complain the most are almost always the same vocal minority that will complain even if they were offered the best system possible for dirt cheap.

But yeah, the big selling points always seem to be USA-exclusive, making them a non-factor for the rest of the world.

I'm still curious how well the Kinect will work in low light situations.

On top of low light, how well it will perform in a smaller environment. The current Kinect requires you to have a gymnasium for a party of two or more.

:rukidding:

[A-Dev]

I have no doubt that the One will sell well. It's still an impressive machine (for a console, at least) and, truth be told, the amount of people without internet access are pretty few and far between. The people that complain the most are almost always the same vocal minority that will complain even if they were offered the best system possible for dirt cheap.

But yeah, the big selling points always seem to be USA-exclusive, making them a non-factor for the rest of the world.

I'm still curious how well the Kinect will work in low light situations.

On top of low light, how well it will perform in a smaller environment. The current Kinect requires you to have a gymnasium for a party of two or more.

:rukidding:

Xbox One: Testing Out the New Kinect - YouTube

[Akinari]

LMAO

XBox One: What if you don't have reliable internet? - YouTube

[StylinRed]

with regard to kinect low light i read this on another forum don't know how accurate it is etc

The Kinect 2.0 camera that's required on the Xbox One has an infrared grid beam blaster (like the original Kinect) as well as an infrared detection element so it can literally see in the dark. It's not "low-light" - it needs no light because it provides its own infrared illumination.

[.Renn.Sport]

now if I can get around on supplying money into my xbox live canadian account, I don't mind picking up a couple of xbox one.... since now I don't have to worry about game retailers in hk not importing north american version of the games as everything could be purchased online.

[buhdeh]

now if I can get around on supplying money into my xbox live canadian account, I don't mind picking up a couple of xbox one.... since now I don't have to worry about game retailers in hk not importing north american version of the games as everything could be purchased online.

Better start paying for a proxy then

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.

Xbox One Pre-Order Product Information - Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer)

[.Renn.Sport]

I have a dedicated VPN connected to the states and hong kong, but seriously, fuck microsoft

As much as I want to get the xbox one, Microsoft is telling me that I should just stick with a PS4.

[91civicZC]

Ill admit up front, I’m more of a Playstation fan for many reasons.

I have both consoles, but only buy multiplayer games to play on line with my brother (who has a 360) on my 360. Both my wife and I play for the most part on our PS3.

I have always taken issue with the way Microsoft treats its customers. I always feel like I’m being SOLD something when I turn on my xbox, rather than SHOWN something. The menus are littered with adds, I find them hard to navigate. The idea that I have to be a Gold subscriber just to use the damn thing even for video streaming services always bothered me.

While Sony has had its fuck ups, it seems like after the first year or two of PS3, they learned to start listening to customers, and their sales started to take off. While I still think the 360 is a better machine for online gaming, it’s really only because the party system makes it so easy. Hopefully Sony implements something similar for PS4.

Being a PS+ member for several years now, I can say that SONY has gone much farther in rewarding me as a customer and a service subscriber than Microsoft ever has.

The Ps4 will be a pre order (when I pick up the last of us!), the new box will be a wait and see. I have a really hard time jumping into bed with Microsoft with the PRISM scandal still unfolding. While I don’t normally buy used games, or even sell my old ones, I often lend them to my young brother in law who plays them on his sisters machine, or lend to a few friends to try out. The New Xbox makes this all problematic.

While the technology Microsoft is pushing is interesting, none of the TV integration they showed means anything to me, I don’t subscribe to cable. So really to make good use of the system, that’s ANOTHER subscription I would have to sign up for that I don’t want.

It’s a reversal of the last consoles launch. Microsoft is taking my business for granted (Like Sony did last time around) and Sony is looking to cater to their consumer base with subscription rewards, pushing smaller indie type titles to publish on the system, letting me opt out of products I don’t want (IE PS Eye) and letting me do what I want with my games. Add to that Netflix has always just worked better on the PS3, and runs like crap on my xbox, and my PS3 streams video from my PC better with PS3 Media Server than Xbox or windows ever did, Ill continue to support Sony in trying support me, and not just expect my business.

Side note to all this, I believe that on line passes are a good thing. Support game studios and publishers who make the games you want. When you buy used, they get NOTHING.

[Lomac]

Xbox One Pre-Order Product Information - Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer)

Hopefully that list is expanded in the near future. There are some major countries missing...

[ForbiddenX]

Seriously having a tough time deciding on which console to get games on. I want to get the XBONE but a lot of people I know are getting the PS4. Although more games on the XBONE interest me.

Thought KH3 was going to decide it for me but it's multiplatform.

[wreck]

i've been hearing a lot about the KH series as of late, were they that good?

[.Renn.Sport]

Seriously having a tough time deciding on which console to get games on. I want to get the XBONE but a lot of people I know are getting the PS4. Although more games on the XBONE interest me.

Thought KH3 was going to decide it for me but it's multiplatform.

I only buy exclusives for Xbox360. Anything multiplatform would be for PS3.
its gonna be the same this time around as well.

For the 360/PS3, there were quite a few reasons to go with the PS3 version
- Much higher quality jewel case for PS3 titles
- bluray has a much better scratch resistance
- Region Free
- I prefer dual shock more
- higher quality cut scenes in games due to bluray having much higher capacity



This time around, Microsoft screwed all consumers big times, I'll probably lose interest in the Xbox One by the time I could gain access to it. Might not even wanna bother with their exclusive titles.

[StylinRed]

i've been hearing a lot about the KH series as of late, were they that good?

if you like Final Fantasy and you like Disney cartoons and if the prospect of both worlds getting mashed together in an intricate and beautiful story than you should love, love Kingdom Hearts

I was hoping so much to see a KH3 trailer but didn't think/know there was a game in the works and i teared up there i said it i teared up when i saw the trailer ;)


all the hype might ruin it for you though :P

[roflwaffle604]

these guys sure love their KH :lawl:
Kingdom Hearts 3 announcement reactions combined - YouTube

[StylinRed]

i guess i should have known this but just found out titanfall is coming out on PC as well

[ForbiddenX]

I only buy exclusives for Xbox360. Anything multiplatform would be for PS3.
its gonna be the same this time around as well.

For the 360/PS3, there were quite a few reasons to go with the PS3 version
- Much higher quality jewel case for PS3 titles
- bluray has a much better scratch resistance
- Region Free
- I prefer dual shock more
- higher quality cut scenes in games due to bluray having much higher capacity



This time around, Microsoft screwed all consumers big times, I'll probably lose interest in the Xbox One by the time I could gain access to it. Might not even wanna bother with their exclusive titles.

That's what I ended up doing. This gen it was the opposite for me. multiplatform: 360, exclusives: ps3.

I still have the XBONE preordered along with the exclusives. Not sure if I'm going to cancel it yet. Got a bit of time to decide.

i guess i should have known this but just found out titanfall is coming out on PC as well

Titanfall is only an one year exclusive to the XBONE and PC.

[.Renn.Sport]

I'm sure all 3rd party games will eventually get port to the PS4. Being exclusive to a console that no one wanna buy isn't gonna help LOL

[HonestTea]

i've been hearing a lot about the KH series as of late, were they that good?

They were amazing! :)
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[StylinRed]

for those that care

the packaging

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/24/618x500/xbox-one-box-art.jpg

[LUUUUUUUU]

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png

[Graeme S]

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png
Xbox marketing: killing the Xbox faster than they can sell it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys

Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do :derp:

[StylinRed]

NCIX has the one and ps4 up for pre-order as well http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=85520

[SkinnyPupp]

lol @ the moron who failed me for pointing out the pointlessness of his post

[LUUUUUUUU]

lol thank god this forum knows there's only one power abusing moron here

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup I sure am ABUSING POWER by pointing out your fallacies.

[.Renn.Sport]

Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys

Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do :derp:

well, with disc based games, you still get to own the games and start another account.

My Diablo 3 account for banned when I didn't even played for a month for no reason. So much for buying that stupid game.

[LUUUUUUUU]

lol ya pretty pointless post. the first console ever that will ban u from playing the the disc based games u own. yup, pretty sure every gamer feels this is pretty pointless :rukidding:

[LUUUUUUUU]

Have there ever been reports of people being banned permanently for no good reason? The only ones I know of were from people sharing accounts or stealing from the MS store using exploits, doing excessive chargebacks on their credit cards, etc... and fuck those guys

Steam is the same way, PSN probably is too. But let's all get mad at Microsoft because that's the cool thing to do :derp:

good job pointing out how pointless "my post" of what Microsoft tweeted :seriously:

games purchased from Steam are still able to be used to play single player games/unsecured servers. xbox live users who get reported by a bunch of 9 yr olds and get banned won't even be able to play their own game at all. but i guess that's pretty pointless because "let's all defend Microsoft" :derp:

[SkinnyPupp]

If you get banned from steam, you can't play your games

If you get banned from xbox live, you can't play your xbox live games on 360

If you get banned from PSN, you can't play your PSN games on PS3

As for XB1 and PS4, we don't know yet - they haven't said anything about their banning policies.

I know it's the "cool" thing to bash Microsoft for everything these days, but pointing out that tweet is just irrelevant. Especially posting it in the PS4 thread.

And BTW that tweet wasn't even about the Xbox 1, it was referring to 360 accounts. So even more pointless. They haven't even said what their XB1 policy will be.

So yeah keep on with the pointless bashing of every little negative thing you can find, it is so cool!

[LUUUUUUUU]

If you get banned from steam, you can't play your games

If you get banned from xbox live, you can't play your xbox live games on 360


Your account may still be used to play single-player games and multiplayer games on unsecured servers
Your account may still be used to play single-player games or to connect to non-secure game servers and for games played over a LAN. To find non-secure servers, please change your filter settings in the server browser list to show servers which are not VAC-secured (from the Steam main menu go to the View option, select Servers and then select "Not secure" in the Anti-Cheat drop-down).

if u get banned from xbox live u can still play ur disc based games offline

[SkinnyPupp]

Great Valve changed their policy :)

As for the XB1, this has been clarified in this interview with major nelson

/r/Games interview with Xbox Live's Major Nelson - YouTube

[Spartacus]

lol

PLAYSTATION: 4
XBOX: 1


Playstation wins!

[SkinnyPupp]

You sure about that skinny?


https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160
Yes, this was confirmed to be a mistake on twitter

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345775684045660160

[A-Dev]

Im pretty sure you can still play single player on the xbox if your banned from xbox live. Xbox live gold (paid subscription) is used for online multiplayer.


If you get banned from xbox live wouldn't it be just as if you never subscribed to xbox live gold in the first place.

[StylinRed]

couple days old now and not sure how significant this is but the xbox1 games at e3 werent run on xbox hardware but rather a win7 desktop using nvidia 700 cards
?You know how EA's COO Peter Moore told Geoff Keighley during the post-conference interview at E3 that the games they were showing off on stage were running on comparable dev kit specs to the actual home consoles? Well...that's not really true. What is true, however, is that to get the best performance on home console games, Microsoft made sure that they were running on the most stable system specs available on the market and that happened to be an HP powered, Windows 7 system with Nvidia's 700 series GTX GPU.

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234074.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234169.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234242.jpg

and i guess sony had to clarify about ps4
http://i.imgur.com/8etIIjA.png

Xbox One Games At E3 Were Running On Windows 7 With Nvidia GTX Cards? (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html)

[artmotion]

Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions - Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions)

For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.

Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.

With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.

Get out your salt shakers but an anonymous engineer on the Xbox One team has taken to Pastebin to help clear up a few misunderstandings about Xbox One's DRM. In short, Microsoft wanted to bring the concept of Steam to the Xbox.

The DRM around the Xbox One has certainly caused a bit of controversy since its announcement but if the Pastebin post is to be believed, Microsoft actually has gamers' best interests at heart. The post talks about Steam's beginnings and how many didn't actually like the service at first, adding that it wasn't until Steam started offering insane deals on games that consumers adopted the platform.

Microsoft is apparently trying to bring that same model to the console with the Xbox One that is dramatically different to what the consumer is accustomed too. It's a lofty bet, but one that Microsoft is willing to take to help spur on digital distribution of console games. Posted below is the entire post:

>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.


>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :)

2/4

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.


3/4

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.


4/4

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

[Mr.Money]

once when one of the killer games like Halo or Mass Effect,Gears of War releases on the system,i'm pretty sure everybody will be running to purchase a Xbox one for it,

[MarkyMark]

I had all 3 consoles this generation and I vow not to do that again. My 360 collected dust, the wii was pretty much the same, and I used the PS3 the most. It's honestly not really worth having both when there's only a handful of big games you'll miss out on.
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[twitchyzero]

couple days old now and not sure how significant this is but the xbox1 games at e3 werent run on xbox hardware but rather a win7 desktop using nvidia 700 cards

dont' see the big deal.
dev kits are essentially PCs anyways.
even if all 3 consoles are based on AMD hardware these games have probably been in developement for a while so it would make sense to use the fastest GPU available right now to demo it (GTX 780 or Titan)
it's only interesting because it's running win7 instead of win8.

Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions - Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions)

For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.

Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.

With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.

The way I see it, Microsoft and Sony completely switched roles. Sony got cocky coming off the heels of the PS1 & PS2 and made a PS3 a premium product and a loss leader. They made it an entertainment media hub rather than purely focusing on what it should be, a gaming console. Well they fell flat on their face for the first few years and going into next-gen they aren't gonna make that mistake.

Meanwhile MS didn't have the best start with XBox but built upon the XBL to make the 360 the success that it is...not to mention it sported the cheaper price tag and if you wanted media capabilities (HDDVD drive, bigger HDD) it's extra. It gave consumers a choice like how Sony is making the Eye optional. It's almost like they are trying to attempt what Sony did with the PS3 and make the XB1 an entertainment system rather than just a console because they want to also fight the AppleTV/GoogleTV/HTPC/Rasberry Pi etc.

I had all 3 consoles this generation and I vow not to do that again. My 360 collected dust, the wii was pretty much the same, and I used the PS3 the most. It's honestly not really worth having both when there's only a handful of big games you'll miss out on.
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In the end, it should come down to what big exclusives you ultimately want to play.

and get a PC for all the multiplats :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions - Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions)

For those who are interested enough, definitely read this article. As much of a shit storm as this has become because of Microsoft's PR, the DRM approach behind Xbox One is totally justified, even if it's too complicated at the moment.

Another thing is, while the pricing for the Xbox One at launch is 100 dollars higher than that of the PS4, keep in mind that there's is a reason that they want more integration into TV. Did anyone remember when new Telus subscribers were able to get a free Xbox 360 to use as their set top box? While Sony isn't concentrating on that market anymore, Microsoft is. So don't be surprised a year or two down the road, when all of the IPTV providers are giving away Xbox One and expanding their market share that way.

With that said, it's certainly true that Microsoft really dropped the ball with their PR and Sony had an unbelievable showing at this year's E3. Either way, I'll buy both at some point.
Gee where have I heard that before ;)

[91civicZC]

Like I said in a previse post, my Ps4 is on pre order, the Xbox is a “wait and see”.

Too many issues I have with them. Media behind the “gold” account, the PRISM scandal, scary uses for the new Kinect and direct advertising, and just the constant issues Microsoft as a company seems to have with software. This box running on windows 8 scares me.

However if the long term goal from Microsoft is “steam for consoles”, and they manage to pull it off with cheaper games and great sales, I would have a hard time not jumping in. I find it hard to believe that one console could offer digital versions of games at a deep discount without the other doing it too though.
In the end we will have to wait and see. Too much up in the air right now.

I REALLY want to play Dead Rising 3 though!

[SkinnyPupp]

Like I said in a previse post, my Ps4 is on pre order, the Xbox is a “wait and see”.

Too many issues I have with them. Media behind the “gold” account, the PRISM scandal, scary uses for the new Kinect and direct advertising, and just the constant issues Microsoft as a company seems to have with software. This box running on windows 8 scares me.

However if the long term goal from Microsoft is “steam for consoles”, and they manage to pull it off with cheaper games and great sales, I would have a hard time not jumping in. I find it hard to believe that one console could offer digital versions of games at a deep discount without the other doing it too though.
In the end we will have to wait and see. Too much up in the air right now.

I REALLY want to play Dead Rising 3 though!
wtf does PRISM have to do with Xbox? :seriously:

And what "scary new uses for Kinect" are you talking about? It scares you that Kinect is more accurate and can work in small rooms with low lighting? :seriously:

And what about Windows 8 "scares" you? That it's a modern OS built to be used with modern hardware such as Xbox one? :seriously:

I totally understand picking one over the other for whatever reasons you want to choose... Gold paywall, higher price, DRM, but your reasons are the most illogical unfounded reasons one could possible come up with :seriously:

[ScizzMoney]

I personally could care less about exclusives as most of the games I play are multi-platform. I only really care about the comfort of the controller and which console most of the people I play online games own.

[SkinnyPupp]

I personally could care less about exclusives as most of the games I play are multi-platform. I only really care about the comfort of the controller and which console most of the people I play online games own.
In that case PC is the way to go

[MarkyMark]

dont' see the big deal.
dev kits are essentially PCs anyways.
even if all 3 consoles are based on AMD hardware these games have probably been in developement for a while so it would make sense to use the fastest GPU available right now to demo it (GTX 780 or Titan)
it's only interesting because it's running win7 instead of win8.



The way I see it, Microsoft and Sony completely switched roles. Sony got cocky coming off the heels of the PS1 & PS2 and made a PS3 a premium product and a loss leader. They made it an entertainment media hub rather than purely focusing on what it should be, a gaming console. Well they fell flat on their face for the first few years and going into next-gen they aren't gonna make that mistake.

Meanwhile MS didn't have the best start with XBox but built upon the XBL to make the 360 the success that it is...not to mention it sported the cheaper price tag and if you wanted media capabilities (HDDVD drive, bigger HDD) it's extra. It gave consumers a choice like how Sony is making the Eye optional. It's almost like they are trying to attempt what Sony did with the PS3 and make the XB1 an entertainment system rather than just a console because they want to also fight the AppleTV/GoogleTV/HTPC/Rasberry Pi etc.



In the end, it should come down to what big exclusives you ultimately want to play.

and get a PC for all the multiplats :)

I agree with them switching roles this gen. MS definitely seems to be feeling like they can do whatever they want and it's still going to sell, meanwhile Sony is keeping things pretty straightforward and focusing on one aspect. You don't feel the cockiness from Sony this time around, in fact they almost seem like they are trying too hard to be Mr. Nice Guy right now.
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[ScizzMoney]

In that case PC is the way to go

I didn't really make my statement too clear. I base what I get on what the people I play with own. None of them own PCs, so I'm 99% sure I'm going to be going with Xbox.

[knight604]

They took off DRM and fees for used games.

Let the battle begin.

[buhdeh]

Still $100 more for a weaker console.

[artmotion]

Here's the official press release:
Your Feedback Matters ? Update on Xbox One (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

There's certain things that I welcome like the new lack of region locking but I think it's complete bullshit. If there's no DRM, the console game industry is going to continue to deteriorate. Look at the studio closures left right and center. Enjoy your mobile and PC games because at this rate, that's all thats going to be left.

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

[knight604]

Still $100 more for a weaker console.

It's so microsoft can spy on you for 100 more!

[MarkyMark]

Surprised they caved so easily lol

I guess the people who bitch online that never end up changing anything actually changed something.

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[Lomac]

I'm surprised they caved this easily as well. However, what I didn't understand was how if they went the Steam route by DRM and whatnot, how were prices going to drop? With my PS Plus account, I can still get tons of games of dirt cheap and even free. Sure, they're not the newest games on the block, but I'm okay with waiting a few months for a decent price drop. The only way they could have introduced cheap games on launch days was if Playstation followed a similar plan, which they clearly had no intentions of doing.

That said, the only one real qualm I had with the XBone (which was the 24hr roll call) has been nixed. Might actually be able to buy and use one now. :fullofwin:

[ForbiddenX]

I'm pretty surprised too. But good for microsoft for listening to their customers and making that change. Makes the console war a little bit more interesting.

I'd assume it would drop just the same as how Steam does it. I don't see why publishers wouldn't want to lower their prices and have more initial sales vs used sales. The publisher will get all the money instead of only the initial purchase.

PC games are usually $10 cheaper anyways and they come from the same publisher.

[Lomac]

I think I would have liked to have seen how the console war would have gone had Microsoft left all their plans intact. Would show if gamers were willing to handle all the "quirks" of the One or if they would have simply avoided it.

Honestly, I still feel it would have sold well even with all those restrictions in place. People just love to bitch about things on the Internet and then completely forget about them as soon as they see something shiny.

[Maliuz]

Perhaps they announced it this early hoping the consumer will forget by the time it's closer to the launch date. Cover this mess up with launch titles and bundles.

[Mr.Money]

the fact still remains the always-on Kinect with the Xbox One is still kind of a bummer.
no banging your girlfriend on the couch,guys...srsly....some Microsoft nerd will be :jerkit: & looking for large boobies.

[A-Dev]

the fact still remains the always-on Kinect with the Xbox One is still kind of a bummer.
no banging your girlfriend on the couch,guys...srsly....some Microsoft nerd will be :jerkit: & looking for large boobies.

Xbox has said that this feature can be turned off in the system menu if you like. You would then have to turn on your console with your controller, once the system is on the kinect will be on as well. But when the system is off the kinect will not be "listening" for voice commands.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy


You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

[JesseBlue]

hmmm...something doesn't smell right with this announcement....that easily?

are they gonna rename this console to xbox one eighty?

[2 n r]

done
http://i.imgur.com/JZOCnud.png

[twitchyzero]

honestly who gives a shit about region locking? It was only ammo for the whiners.

It's annoying on the Playstation 1/2 because you'd totally miss out on some great Japanese games. With XBOX, it's not like there's European/Japanese exclusive games.

I'm not surprised they caved, if they could offer game prices comparable to amazon/steam/gmg i wouldn't mind DRM at all...but their PR since their launch has been absolutely shit so if they didn't make this drastic change they would've been screwed this holiday.

[SkinnyPupp]

IMO they expected Sony to do the exact same or similar. I did too, even before either console was announced. It is pretty much required for publishers to be able to recouperate rising costs of making big games.

It was a good idea to change their minds though, for all the negative reaction. It's going to have to change eventually for the hardcore games industry to survive. Expect most games to require online to play anyway, even if it's not a 24 hour check. Also maybe not at first, but I would expect a lot of games to be published online only, with no disc version. They HAVE to do this. Or at the very least, make the online store version $10 cheaper.

So much for steam like sales... Now if you want a deal on a game you'll have to buy used. Which is not reall a bad thing, just.... Old fashioned heh.. And it fucks over the publishers fiercely. I guess gamers don't mind studios getting shut down as soon as their game ships, as long as they don't have to connect to the Internet once a day and buy used games

[twitchyzero]

If there's no DRM, the console game industry is going to continue to deteriorate. Look at the studio closures left right and center.
yes games are getting expensive to make, yet they are coming out more often and are shipped with more bugs, bullshit on-disc/launch day DLCs, watered down or rehashed content. Most gamers would rather see a few quality releases each year then see a series pumping out a title out EVERY year (ie. CoD/Assassin's Creed). This is why people have been embracing indie titles and crowdsourcing initiatives like kickstarter...they aren't constrained to your typical corporate BS such as being pressured to release a game when it's not finished. Even F2P is favoured as long as there's no pay-to-win situations.

and DRM on consoles, I bet the piracy % is negligible compare to PC.

if you want a deal on a game you'll have to buy used. Which is not reall a bad thing, just.... Old fashioned heh.. And it fucks over the publishers fiercely. I guess gamers don't mind studios getting shut down as soon as their game ships, as long as they don't have to connect to the Internet once a day and buy used games

I don't get why developers feel they are entitled to used game sales. That's double dipping and besides certified cars at a stealership no other industry is wanting a piece of the used market. What makes them so special?

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't get why developers feel they are entitled to used game sales. That's double dipping and besides certified cars at a stealership no other industry is wanting a piece of the used market. What makes them so special?
Whenever you buy a used game to save $5, the publisher gets $0. So you save $5 and the publisher loses $15. I guess technically they aren't 'entitled' to it the way it is now, but it sure hurts them. That is why they need to eliminate or lower used game sales.

Publishers releasing games on iOS, Android, Steam, GOG, are flourishing because they don't have to deal with this problem. It only makes sense that console gaming follows suit. MS wanted to do it now, Sony saw the opportunity to stick it to them... MS had to change back to the old method.. good for customers, bad for the ones making the products... so in the end, bad for customers

[MarkyMark]

I don't buy used games but I also don't buy more than maybe 6 games a year.

This whole revealing has been one big clusterfuck for MS, whoever has been on the marketing side of things should be canned. I'm still shocked they gave in like this, it's like they didn't expect some sort of backlash with the DRM and then when they noticed their was they just said "oh ok never mind we were just fuckin' with ya". The funny part is some of the stuff like sharing your games online between "family" sounded pretty cool, and now that's gone too. They built a console around being online and now just abandoned it, that looks weak.

I wonder how the cloud they talked about will work now, will some games be only able to work online, even in single player mode?
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[Hehe]

I don't think it's fair to say that studios lose revenue because of used market.

I rarely ever sell my games, so I only buy those that interests me. My buddy is a hardcore gamer. He wouldn't play so many games if it weren't for the used market.

A game to me costs 60+tax. But for him, the game costs (60+tax)-(used price).

By killing used market, even hardcore gamers would potentially buy less game if price stays the same.

IMO, M$ simply fuck'd up its vision of Steam/App store for console.

If games were cheaper by going this DRM model (say $40 DRM vs $60 DRM-free), I'm sure many people would be ok. But they can't expect their primary customers to just suck it up while leaving all the benefit to M$ themselves.

[roflwaffle604]

Whenever you buy a used game to save $5, the publisher gets $0. So you save $5 and the publisher loses $15. I guess technically they aren't 'entitled' to it the way it is now, but it sure hurts them. That is why they need to eliminate or lower used game sales.
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not sure where this $5 comes from. usually buy my used games off craigslist where i can often save between $20-$30. one extreme case that i can remember is when i wanted to by sleeping dogs a while back. at the time the game was 6 months old and retailers were still selling it for $60. why would i pay full price when i can get it for $30 off someone on craigslist.

however, i do see where microsoft wanted to go with the original xbone drm stuff, and i would have liked to see them successfully create some sort of steam thing for consoles, but i think its the retailers that make this impossible due to the fact that if microsoft were to have some sort of crazy steam kind of sale on digital copies of games, then stores like best buy and walmart would get pissed because they would get no sales.

[twitchyzero]

i would have liked to see them successfully create some sort of steam thing for consoles, but i think its the retailers that make this impossible due to the fact that if microsoft were to have some sort of crazy steam kind of sale on digital copies of games, then stores like best buy and walmart would get pissed because they would get no sales.

valve's Steam Box will take care of that...hope they announce it this year.

[Graeme S]

not sure where this $5 comes from. usually buy my used games off craigslist where i can often save between $20-$30. one extreme case that i can remember is when i wanted to by sleeping dogs a while back. at the time the game was 6 months old and retailers were still selling it for $60. why would i pay full price when i can get it for $30 off someone on craigslist.

however, i do see where microsoft wanted to go with the original xbone drm stuff, and i would have liked to see them successfully create some sort of steam thing for consoles, but i think its the retailers that make this impossible due to the fact that if microsoft were to have some sort of crazy steam kind of sale on digital copies of games, then stores like best buy and walmart would get pissed because they would get no sales.
$5, $30, whatever. Game companies on steam have started to realize the kinds of pricing and revenues they actually can realize. Wait six months on steam, and you'll get the game for the CL price and giving the money to the dev, which gets more games made rather than spreading the cost of the game across three or more people (selling and reselling).

I think when companies are willing to be reasonable like that I'm much more willing to give them my money--they acknowledge that not everyone will pay the full $60 price, and that it's unreasonable to charge $60 consistently forever for a product which can be purchased for far less out and about. The XBOne/Steam comparison sort of made sense, and if they had sold it as "We took a look at how awesome Valve was and we thought 'what if we brought that idea to a console--before they bring their console out?'" then they might've had a shot.

Now, they just shot themselves in the foot.

[.Renn.Sport]

honestly who gives a shit about region locking? It was only ammo for the whiners.

It's annoying on the Playstation 1/2 because you'd totally miss out on some great Japanese games. With XBOX, it's not like there's European/Japanese exclusive games.

I'm not surprised they caved, if they could offer game prices comparable to amazon/steam/gmg i wouldn't mind DRM at all...but their PR since their launch has been absolutely shit so if they didn't make this drastic change they would've been screwed this holiday.

Region free is a big deal, maybe for someone that never leaves a single country, then its not a big deal. But for me I couldn't buy a single game that worked for my North American XBOX 360 in HK and had to buy another xbox 360 just to play new games. Neither could I buy games in North America and be sure that it works with my xbox

PS3 had none of those problems, I don't need to worry where the game is from, all I know is that it will work when i put it in my system.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sure to be a popular opinion ;)

Microsoft Reverses Xbox One DRM - Good for Consumers, Bad for Gaming (http://www.hardcoreware.net/xbox-one-eighty-drm/)

[SkinnyPupp]

not sure where this $5 comes from. usually buy my used games off craigslist where i can often save between $20-$30. one extreme case that i can remember is when i wanted to by sleeping dogs a while back. at the time the game was 6 months old and retailers were still selling it for $60. why would i pay full price when i can get it for $30 off someone on craigslist.

however, i do see where microsoft wanted to go with the original xbone drm stuff, and i would have liked to see them successfully create some sort of steam thing for consoles, but i think its the retailers that make this impossible due to the fact that if microsoft were to have some sort of crazy steam kind of sale on digital copies of games, then stores like best buy and walmart would get pissed because they would get no sales.
I was referring to the people who buy games within the first week.. This is where used games hit the publishers most, and it is also how most people buy new(ish) games

[StylinRed]

the obvious choice was to drop the restrictions they imposed it was that or face utter failure but i was actually expecting msft to stick to their guns and go down with the ship :lol:

I wanted to get both consoles originally and was put off by the restrictions and the kinect but since they've done a 180 on that i may just pick up an xbox1 as well but probably not at launch anymore the weaker system and higher price and lack of launch titles of interest for me makes it not enticing

[SkinnyPupp]

XB1 now the best selling console on Amazon.. guess that's all it took :lawl:

[MarkyMark]

Pretty sure it already was, and it's also good to note that 4 of the top 10 spots go to PS4 bundles ;)
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[LUUUUUUUU]

http://i.imgur.com/xrHzhah.jpg

[StylinRed]

What are your guys' thoughts on the supposed xbox cloud processing to compensate for the lack of hardware power compared to ps4?

Read a good article by digitalfoundry but im clueless really on these things so am unsure http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming
They basically say available internet speeds for people will make cloud processing pointless because there will be lots of lag + it would take way too many servers etc





Pretty sure it already was, and it's also good to note that 4 of the top 10 spots go to PS4 bundles ;)
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no playstation had the number 1 spot and 7 of the top 10 spots related to bundles/games

Im surprised to see The Last Of Us holding a #2 spot though thought everyone who wanted it would have bought it by now

[MarkyMark]

What are your guys' thoughts on the supposed xbox cloud processing to compensate for the lack of hardware power compared to ps4?

Read a good article by digitalfoundry but im clueless really on these things so am unsure In Theory: Can the Xbox One cloud transform next-gen gaming? • Articles • Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming)
They basically say available internet speeds for people will make cloud processing pointless because there will be lots of lag + it would take way too many servers etc







no playstation had the number 1 spot and 7 of the top 10 spots related to bundles/games

Im surprised to see The Last Of Us holding a #2 spot though thought everyone who wanted it would have bought it by now


The cloud seems to be more marketing hype right now than anything. Like the article said, a few exclusives might make use of it somehow but for the most part I don't see it being some amazing feature that blows the competition away

[SkinnyPupp]

The cloud definitely has promise, but so far everything that has been shared has been vague at best. Titanfall developers said that they couldn't make the game "as it is" without it, and the PC version will be missing some "niceties" in comparison... But those are completely baseless vague statements to make. What they think is a "nicety" I might consider completely irrelevant. Or even a little bit irrelevant.

With my shitty 5 Mbps connection in hicktown, I doubt I would get much use of the cloud. And that would have to be with an imported console anyway, because they aren't launching in Asia any time soon.

I do like the region free, and people here will want to pay attention because importing games from regions with cheaper prices will make it worthwhile. It might be time to talk to my wife about her store.. she sold import games from Japan > west when Japan was still making good games, but now it might be worthwhile to sell western games sold in the asian market back to the west (which is exactly why region locks were introduced in the first place :D). That won't be for another year though for XB1

[.Renn.Sport]

Nobody seems to mention now that MS have remove the cloud library and game sharing between family members. Both of those features would've been great.

I could've just brought one copy of the game and install it into all the xbox I own or even just re-download it off xbox live and I could play the same game on any of my xbox without ever needing to bring my game physically. Not to mention with cloud saves on 24/7, I could just continue where I left off.

The only thing I hated the most originally was region lock and xbox live restricted to launched countries.

[SkinnyPupp]

Another perspective:

Xbox One Eighty: Microsoft fails to sell the future, retreats to the past | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/xbox-one-eighty-microsoft-fails-to-sell-the-future-retreats-to-the-past/)

[StylinRed]

gizmodos article is hilarious imo http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905

[SkinnyPupp]

Ugh why did you make me click a gizmodo link :rukidding:

[StylinRed]

:lol

[91civicZC]

I’m honestly curious, is no one concerned about the privacy issues brought up with the new kenict system, and the PRISM issue that still unfolding?

According to Microsoft, they supposedly only respond to direct requests on specific IP or customers, but all without that persons knowledge. They have acknowledge they are taking part in the program.

Microsoft has now teamed up with “TV” and has a sensor that can see if you’re smiling, and read your response to specific stimuli. How long before your responses to specific advertisements are being sold to advertising and cable companies?

There was a time I would have thought this was tinfoil hat and CIC territory, after Prism, I’m not so sure.

I realize it’s not probable, but it concerns me a little none the less. No one else worried about the privacy issues with the Xbox One?

Edit: And yes, I realize that you can “turn off Kinect”, but in reality is information still being gathered?

Again, crazy conspiracy stuff, I know, but after Prism being outed, it makes me wonder. Even some goverments have expressed concern about it, Germany for example.

[StylinRed]

^^^ of course, most don't seem to care though just like with all the other bs in life they dismiss it as long as they feel like everythings fine

[SkinnyPupp]

is no one concerned about the privacy issues brought up with the new kenict system, and the PRISM issue that still unfolding?

No

crazy conspiracy stuff, I know

And this is why

[Renxo]

I’m honestly curious, is no one concerned about the privacy issues brought up with the new kenict system, and the PRISM issue that still unfolding?

According to Microsoft, they supposedly only respond to direct requests on specific IP or customers, but all without that persons knowledge. They have acknowledge they are taking part in the program.

Microsoft has now teamed up with “TV” and has a sensor that can see if you’re smiling, and read your response to specific stimuli. How long before your responses to specific advertisements are being sold to advertising and cable companies?

There was a time I would have thought this was tinfoil hat and CIC territory, after Prism, I’m not so sure.

I realize it’s not probable, but it concerns me a little none the less. No one else worried about the privacy issues with the Xbox One?

Edit: And yes, I realize that you can “turn off Kinect”, but in reality is information still being gathered?

Again, crazy conspiracy stuff, I know, but after Prism being outed, it makes me wonder. Even some goverments have expressed concern about it, Germany for example.

don't worry i'm sure MS doesn't want to hear or watch what you do alone in your room

[StylinRed]

why is it a crazy conspiracy though...when you just found out companies had given the government a backdoor into their systems to collect peoples information...is it hard to believe the next step is to turn peoples cameras on and stat recording/watching/listening?

government agencies can do that already with cell phones when they're investigating organized crime etc (just ask dukes ;)) i think the most recent public case where this was done was during the organized crime groups shipping drugs/laundering money to australia/china/etc they can turn on the mic of your phone and listen in

so they use prism and suspect ur doing something illegal (whether u are or not is irrelevant) then they go to the next step and turn ur devices on and listen in/watch etc remember they're searching for whats incriminating so you sitting there jerking off to some hentai may seem normal to you but its downright appalling and incriminating to them :lol then you may get arrested and have to explain in court (if you're so lucky to get a court date) why you were jerking to some hentai with you're very own tentacle vibrator :lol

in all seriousness though its not far fetched at all as its already been in use for ages with your cell phone

but having said that ill reiterate i can see most people not giving a damn even though imo they should at least be aware that its possible and has been in use (even if its nowhere near the top of their list of concerns)



don't worry i'm sure MS doesn't want to hear or watch what you do alone in your room

They have said (somewhere in all the coverage) they want to or will detect user reactions (smiles, laughter) when watching tv for whatever reason, to recommend programming? To sell to companies? To advertise products, shows, movies you may be interested in?

So I guess they are interested

[91civicZC]

don't worry i'm sure MS doesn't want to hear or watch what you do alone in your room


Ummmm, yeah, actually they do. That’s really the holy grail for any company looking to advertise and sell you product. They want to know EXACLTY how you react to what’s put in front of you when you are “not” being observed.

This is what focus groups and test groups are all about in almost any industry. They take a small group of people and show them a movie, or a game, or an advertisement for a new food, whatever, and get that groups reaction to it.

Now MS has created a product that theoretically can gauge your reaction to any stimulus put in front of you (heart rate, face expression). It’s hooked up to your cable, so it could tell what you were looking at (date time stamp make it easy enough) when you had whatever reaction you had. It would be the biggest and best test group ever, and worth a ton of money to advertisers. When something’s worth money, it’s only a matter of time before its sold. Has MS said anything about what will happen with the information Kinect collects? Not yet that I know of.

I’m not saying it’s happening, or that’s even the plan, but the ability is certainly there. And it’s being placed in your living room by a company that in just the last few weeks has admitted to gathering and giving your private information to the US government without your knowledge, and continues to do so (among many other companies). In my mind, that’s enough to at least consider the possibilities.

If you’re not concerned about it, that’s fine, that’s all I was looking for. Just wondering if anyone is concerned or not due to recent events playing out with PRISM, not trying to change anyone’s mind on the matter.

[artmotion]

What are your guys' thoughts on the supposed xbox cloud processing to compensate for the lack of hardware power compared to ps4?

Read a good article by digitalfoundry but im clueless really on these things so am unsure In Theory: Can the Xbox One cloud transform next-gen gaming? • Articles • Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming)
They basically say available internet speeds for people will make cloud processing pointless because there will be lots of lag + it would take way too many servers etc







no playstation had the number 1 spot and 7 of the top 10 spots related to bundles/games

Im surprised to see The Last Of Us holding a #2 spot though thought everyone who wanted it would have bought it by now

While the PS4 has more power than the Xbox one, a lot is riding on the SDK. Sony has been known for making overly complicated SDKs for the PS2 and PS3 and because of that, in the current generation, the 360 has usually been the lead SKU. For exclusives, you'll be more likely to see the power difference of the PS4 but otherwise, the difference will likely be negligible in terms of graphics processing and load times.

However, now that cloud computing is involved, it could certainly give Microsoft the leg up since there's a ton more power to be had but could also make it a lot more difficult for developers to make games that utilize it for the Xbox One's cloud computing.

[StylinRed]

So family sharing was just a 45min demo mode
According to this Xbox employee who developed it he wrote a long spiel about his sadness over msfts decision and in it he explains how wonderful it actually was in his mind here's an excerpt

First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game. We were toying around with a limit on the number of times members could access the shared game (as to discourage gamers from simply beating the game by doing multiple playthroughs). but we had not settled on an appropriate way of handling it. One thing we knew is that we wanted the experience to be seamless for both the person sharing and the family member benefiting. There weren’t many models of this system already in the wild other than Sony’s horrendous game sharing implementation, but it was clear their approach (if one could call it that) was not the way to go. Developers complained about the lost sales and gamers complained about overbearing DRM that punished those who didn’t share that implemented by publishers to quell gamers from taking advantage of a poorly thought out system. We wanted our family sharing plan to be something that was talked about and genuinely enjoyed by the masses as a way of inciting gamers to try new games.

For the whole thing Heartbroken Xbox One employee lets rip. | HeyUGuys GamingHeyUGuys Gaming (http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read)

[SkinnyPupp]

Right

[JKam]

I was referring to the people who buy games within the first week.. This is where used games hit the publishers most, and it is also how most people buy new(ish) games

If games had longer play time maybe it would curb the initial used game market. I haven't played Last of Us but from what I've seen its about 15-20h of gameplay. After the first 2 days of release there were 3 copies on RS BST.

Maybe they add more compelling end game content?