[Acura604]

yes..another delicious gas prices thread for 2013...

I believe around town its already at 1.50/L reg effective this morning...but this time it might be a larger spike upwards.



Drivers, get ready for a gas price spike - Jul. 11, 2013 (http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/11/news/economy/gas-oil-prices/?source=cnn_bin)



Gas guzzlers, be warned: You're in for a whopper of a price jump at the pump.

Prices of oil and gasoline futures have increased sharply in July, according to Gasbuddy.com chief oil analyst Tom Kloza. And these prices will inevitably be passed on to consumers in the coming weeks.

The price of unleaded gasoline could jump by at least 25 cents per gallon in August, said oil trader Dan Dicker, author of "Oil's Endless Bid."

In the last two weeks, gas futures jumped to $3.01 per gallon, an increase of more than 10%. And oil prices have surged more than 10% over the last month.


At the same time, Kloza notes that the price of retail gas "has barely moved." But he does expect gas prices to follow suit, surging by as much as 30 cents a gallon in August.

The national average price for regular unleaded gasoline rose 1.7 cents per gallon on Thursday, to $3.52 per gallon, according to the motorist group AAA. That day-to-day bump may just be the start of a larger run up.

Dicker said the energy markets are being driven by a geopolitical "fear factor" over turmoil in oil-producing countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Brazil.

Also, he said the decline in gold prices has prompted investors to turn to oil, exasperating the energy boom.

"Gold just fell apart," he said. "Hedge funds and traders, they've put their money in the oil market. Crude oil has become the new gold." To top of page

[StylinRed]

when oil prices drop "oh well the oil we're serving customers now was purchased at a high price"
when oil prices rise "OMFG WE HAVE TO COMPENSATE SUPPLY AND DEMAND PRICES MUST GO UP!!!"

[Araaadi]

That v6 is starting to seem like a bad idea now...

[Gtrr33]

$170 to fill up my truck today:lawl:

[snails]

89 civic is getting close to 70$ to fill :(

[tiger_handheld]

In other news ... the demand for jerry cans has also increased.
In other news ... expect longer line ups at local USA/Canada borders.
In other news ... USA border towns experiencing record growth from Canadian shoppers even though the greenback is higher than the loonie.
In other news ... tranlink prepares to cut services and plan road tolls as revenues from various gas related taxes fall.

[Tr1ll]

Looks like I'll be putting this Upass to good use
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[q0192837465]

Good thing I got my nexus pass a month ago. Should be making regular trips down the the states
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[dared3vil0]

Just filled up my parents F150 this morning for them... $206.32 (dead empty 136 liter tank...)

[zetazeta]

Wow, so glad I filled up ytd prior to the price hike. :fullofwin:

[GabAlmighty]

$130 for half a tank of diesel...

[BurnoutBinLaden]

You'd think that the government would invest more carbon tax revenues in transit, instead of hawking Bollywood film awards and LNG.

[320icar]

Right now I only have a 50cc ruckus. I was looking to get a new DD but fuck that! 94 was 168.9 at the pump yesterday
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[Vale46Rossi]

$130 for half a tank of diesel...

Price of diesel is artificially raised to be close to gas.... Diesel doesn't need to be refined and it costs the same as gas....

[Traum]

I was totally shocked this AM when I saw the 151.x price at the gas station. My car had less than 1/2 a tank yesterday, and I actually decided against filling up because I figured it would still last me another few days. :failed:

[BEEB]

Support the Vancouver Bike Lane now and start pedalling to work ! or buy a $1.5 million house in Kits that's beside the Bike Lane

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

Fuck! Need to sell or trade in for s 4cyclinder or hybrid...
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[Acura604]

in all seriousness...not much the average Vancouverite can do .. I mean.. u still gotta drive... get from A to B...at the end of the day, we're all just gonna have to suck it up and pay up. SOme of us have the luxury of living near the US border and save close to 30% on a fill up.

it wont stop us from driving what we drive... like death and taxes - need for gas is up there too.

[T4RAWR]

those solar powered prius' are starting to look mighty tempting

[knight604]

yolo v8.

[KO7]

Went from trading in one 91 octane car to another a month ago... sigh.
Darn me for not wanting to drive a base model commuter.

[mb_]

Got to pay to play I guess :okay:

[broken_arrow]

I was going to write and complain in this thread until I saw some numbers on here (Dared3vil0, GabAlmighty, GTrr33, etc)...

:okay:

[double0seven]

15 Bucks to fill up bike :lawl:

[Gh0stRider]

15-20 for the gixxer..hehe

[Harvey Specter]

Poured $45 of gas last night at a $1.61 for 94 octane which got me exactly half a tank in my 750. It'll last me 4 days max :okay:

[dared3vil0]

$130 for half a tank of diesel...

How big of a tank does that sucker have? :ahwow:

[GabAlmighty]

How big of a tank does that sucker have? :ahwow:

166L litres, the regular models have I believe 140/150L but mines the high output model so I burn more fuel and need a bigger tank haha. I lied, I was a little below half a tank. I think I put about 90L or something. It's ridiculous, I miss going to the states for gas and saving about $40-60 per tank.

On the plus side, I hadn't filled that thing up in about a month or something. Been driving the 240sx around town. Way cheaper on fuel.

[nsx042003]

whatever...another 5 to 10 bucks more per tank.

i'd shit bricks if the price of gas doubles overnight.

[Iceman-19]

Glad I have a Upass for school. Have to put 91 in my truck because its tuned, and it gets awful milage. Yay!

[GabAlmighty]

Glad I have a Upass for school. Have to put 91 in my truck because its tuned, and it gets awful milage. Yay!

What is it?

[XplicitLuder]

whatever, guess my plans to learn to ride a bike and get my license just got pushed up :lawl:

[Iceman-19]

What is it?

2011 Hemi Ram, 8" lift on 35s on 20s.

Gas milage? :lawl:

[GabAlmighty]

Gas mileage is for suckers

[broken_arrow]

Gas mileage is for suckers

I hear diesels are very economical!

:troll:

[BrRsn]

no replacement for displacement

http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/umpire-hill-billy-399x300.jpg

[T4RAWR]

2011 Hemi Ram, 8" lift on 35s on 20s.

Gas milage? :lawl:

put it back to stock.

[asian_XL]

15-20 for the gixxer..hehe

I paid $10 a tank 10 year ago. :okay:

[eurochevy]

Put in 10 L hopeing it would get me by for a little - 94 at 1.68...guess I'll be riding the r6 and driving a little less :badpokerface: feel like college student

[Iceman-19]

put it back to stock.

Cost too much. Easier to sell it to a Surrey Jack. :fullofwin:

Surrey Jack starter kit.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/Iceman_19/Ram/20130425_130658_zps7ab3b0fe.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Iceman_19/media/Ram/20130425_130658_zps7ab3b0fe.jpg.html)

[LiquidTurbo]

TESLA!

[dared3vil0]

^ Would look SOOOO much better with about 4 inches of lift... Or 8 and 37's minimum.

[Iceman-19]

It will look better when I put the Ram Runner kit on it.

[vantrip]

Poured $45 of gas last night at a $1.61 for 94 octane which got me exactly half a tank in my 750. It'll last me 4 days max :okay:

Oh c'mon if can afford a 750 then you can afford $45.
Or I could take it off your hands anytime :troll:

[sdubfid]

Price of diesel is artificially raised to be close to gas.... Diesel doesn't need to be refined and it costs the same as gas....

Really? So it basically comes out of the ground ready to use?
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[Manic!]

Why are you guys putting 94 in your cars?

[Traum]

Why are you guys putting 94 in your cars?
Because racecar? :fuckyea:

[asian_XL]

about to DIY someone cheap

Geo Metro electric conversion EV 100 set up - initial run 24V - YouTube

[Harvey Specter]

Oh c'mon if can afford a 750 then you can afford $45.
Or I could take it off your hands anytime :troll:

Lol, it still hurts brah.


I pour 94 because it contains no ethanol and surprisingly I get better gas mileage compared to lower grade gas.

[Manic!]

Lol, it still hurts brah.


I pour 94 because it contains no ethanol and surprisingly I get better gas mileage compared to lower grade gas.

Better gas mileage I don't think so but even if you are you are paying more. Plus Ferrari recommends Shell.

[MTV Cribs]

Why are you guys putting 94 in your cars?

Because I like my car and I can :accepted:

[Iceman-19]

94 burns slower, so if you have advanced timing, or a direct injection engine, giver. If it is stock, you are doing absolutely nothing except pouring money down the drain.

[Volvo-brickster]

Why are you guys putting 94 in your cars?

I do it because I run a Bamachips 93 performance tune :badpokerface:

My DD gets superstore gas
superbucks FTW :lawl:

[fliptuner]

The Costco and Shell in PoCo have 91 that doesn't contain ethanol. As much as I'd rather run Chevron w/ Techron, the lack of ethanol is of more benefit, IMO.

BTW, we should be more concerned with the cost of diesel, since the it's reflected in pretty much everything we buy.

[C5_Ryder]

You will get better mileage with no ethanol gas. You Just have to
Calculate if the savings will offset your extra cost. 91 octane also contains no
Ethanol.
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[Shorn]

You will get better mileage with no ethanol gas. You Just have to
Calculate if the savings will offset your extra cost. 91 octane also contains no
Ethanol.
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i believe only shell 91 has no ethanol. everywhere else contains up to 10% (i'm talking about vancouver/richmond etc)

[Iceman-19]

The internet contains 0% ethanol. Just food for thought.

[Noran]

Ferrari recommends Shell because Shell sponsors Ferrari.

[BaoTurbo]

I fuelled up at 144 and I thought that was expensive already. Lately I'm looking at close to 150

[Timpo]

ok so how much does it go up though?

like $2/L?

[Manic!]

Ferrari recommends Shell because Shell sponsors Ferrari.

Ferrari also warranties their cars. If 91 oct was a problem they would have to do a lot of repairs. Absolutely no need for 94 on a stock car.


Ferrari also recommends shell oils and fluids. Shell Helix oil that is recommended is re-branded in the states and sold as Quaker state Q Horse Power. available at Wallmart.

[Timpo]

didnt ferrari recommend mobile 1?

[nabs]

My car manual says fill with premium only. So I fill 91. I filled today at 1.61 3/4 tank cost about 65 bucks. It definitely hurt! Regular was at 146.9. Later on at night it was 152.9. I'm glad I filled when I did

[dygital]

i believe only shell 91 has no ethanol. everywhere else contains up to 10% (i'm talking about vancouver/richmond etc)

That used to be the case... but the shell near my house no longer has the no ethanol stickers at the pumps. I also asked the gas attendant and they said it may contain ethanol now.

[Manic!]

didnt ferrari recommend mobile 1?

http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/attachments/ferrari-discussion/34671d1316634501-what-type-oil-fluids-ti701_25-b-shell-lubricants.jpg

[Timpo]

oops my bad, it says Viper, Porsche, AMG, Corvette etc...but no Ferrari

http://gani1.com/public/benz/mobil1-0w-40-2005.jpg

[Shorn]

That used to be the case... but the shell near my house no longer has the no ethanol stickers at the pumps. I also asked the gas attendant and they said it may contain ethanol now.

i guess not all of them have no ethanol now. but the ones that i go to still don't (49th and kerr, 41st and knight)

[Manic!]

i guess not all of them have no ethanol now. but the ones that i go to still don't (49th and kerr, 41st and knight)


You should check again. I doubt they would sell 2 different types of gas in the lower mainland.

[beansbaxter]

That used to be the case... but the shell near my house no longer has the no ethanol stickers at the pumps. I also asked the gas attendant and they said it may contain ethanol now.

Just checked Shell Canada's website and it says "Shell V-Power premium gasoline in Canada does not contain ethanol."

Shell V-Power® Premium Gasoline - Canada (http://www.shell.ca/en/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/shell-vpower.html)

Click on the FAQ tab.

[smarv]

With the way gas prices are headed I think I'm going to need one of these.


Mercedes SLS Electric Drive. Can Volts Ever Match Pistons? - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube

[jtrinh]

ok so how much does it go up though?

like $2/L?

Here is the new toonie for you.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/jtrinh/null_zps4d9e5fde.jpg

[C5_Ryder]

i believe only shell 91 has no ethanol. everywhere else contains up to 10% (i'm talking about vancouver/richmond etc)

Esso and petrocanada doesn't because that crap comes from my work.
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[Greenstoner]

The Costco and Shell in PoCo have 91 that doesn't contain ethanol. As much as I'd rather run Chevron w/ Techron, the lack of ethanol is of more benefit, IMO.

BTW, we should be more concerned with the cost of diesel, since the it's reflected in pretty much everything we buy.

which shell ? the one by maryhill or riverside or lougheed ?



and for you SHELL (airmile) user, do you guys take advantage of the once a month 50 pt promo on filling up premium gas ?? Is it worth it ?
my car consume reg gas but i always spent 50 bucks on premium whenever i see the promo, never really do any calculation... just thought the point might be worth it

[z3german]

guy at the dyno told me putting 94 is worse for most dyno runs because at the rate it sells at.

91 or even 89 can yield better results just because its "more fresh", but I have no clue, made sense to me! Saves me a couple of bucks at the pump.

[fliptuner]

which shell ? the one by maryhill or riverside or lougheed ?



and for you SHELL (airmile) user, do you guys take advantage of the once a month 50 pt promo on filling up premium gas ?? Is it worth it ?
my car consume reg gas but i always spent 50 bucks on premium whenever i see the promo, never really do any calculation... just thought the point might be worth it

MHB one.

[jaemc]

Why are you guys putting 94 in your cars?

because twin turbo:okay:

[fliptuner]

:awwyeah:

[Gucci Mane]

Just filled up my parents F150 this morning for them... $206.32 (dead empty 136 liter tank...)

my f150 has the same tank. so glad i live close to the border. fill up for me costs about $130 or so.

[Manic!]

because twin turbo:okay:

If it's stock from the factory you only need 91 oct.

[Manic!]

guy at the dyno told me putting 94 is worse for most dyno runs because at the rate it sells at.

91 or even 89 can yield better results just because its "more fresh", but I have no clue, made sense to me! Saves me a couple of bucks at the pump.

I don't think the gas is sitting there for months. At most the gas should be sitting there for 3-4 weeks before they order more.

[nsx042003]

If it's stock from the factory you only need 91 oct.

Yea, i thought that's all you need, 91. Unless dealers tune the cars in BC differently, I don't get why people put 94 in theirstock turbo cars. It's not a requirement as far as i know.

[jsran]

I was lucky enough to get 91 octane for 1.56 yesterday

[Manic!]

I would love to see some independent testing of gas. Maybe we could have a bunch of people pitch in and find a lab and do some testing.

[brute_4s]

at least this is better than the 1.75/L that everybody weas saying we were gonna get last year... gs goes up... its gonna happen. quit bitching about it

[sekin67835]

Yea, i thought that's all you need, 91. Unless dealers tune the cars in BC differently, I don't get why people put 94 in theirstock turbo cars. It's not a requirement as far as i know.

Dealer told me to put chev 94 cause there is no ethanol. ( running a bi-turbo v8)
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[xpl0sive]

lol i remember back in 2007 when they were saying gas prices were going up to 1.50 people were boycotting gas stations, truckers were going on strikes, people voiced their opinion. Then the recession hit in 2008 and crude prices dropped. But gas prices didn't drop as fast. Our lovely government decided to introduce new taxes like the bs carbon tax at the same time....
now crude prices are going back up and gas prices are going through the roof. but this time around people are saying "stfu and pay it", "gotta pay to play", etc. why? where did this bs mentality come from? what happened to standing up for our selves?

[Peturbo]

Dealer told me to put chev 94 cause there is no ethanol. ( running a bi-turbo v8)
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My question is who from the dealer told you this? Most sales men don't understand what octane rating even means.
I believe 91-92 doesn't have any octane either.

[noclue]

lol i remember back in 2007 when they were saying gas prices were going up to 1.50 people were boycotting gas stations, truckers were going on strikes, people voiced their opinion. Then the recession hit in 2008 and crude prices dropped. But gas prices didn't drop as fast. Our lovely government decided to introduce new taxes like the bs carbon tax at the same time....
now crude prices are going back up and gas prices are going through the roof. but this time around people are saying "stfu and pay it", "gotta pay to play", etc. why? where did this bs mentality come from? what happened to standing up for our selves?

you cant boycott/protest a global commodity... I feel sorry for the franchise owners of gas stations who get boycotted/protested as if it's their fault. People are stupid if they believe in that "Hey if we stop buying gas for one day at ___ station they will be forced to lower prices" spam.

[Manic!]

Dealer told me to put chev 94 cause there is no ethanol. ( running a bi-turbo v8)
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So I gyess they don't sell your car in California? because California and a bunch of other states and provinces only sell 91.

[tiger_handheld]

anyone here own a gas station? would like to know how prices are set

does the bat phone ring with a voice on the other end going 148.9 ... 147.3 .... 151.2...every couple hours.

[Manic!]

anyone here own a gas station? would like to know how prices are set

does the bat phone ring with a voice on the other end going 148.9 ... 147.3 .... 151.2...every couple hours.

My family owns a gas station. We own the property, building and all the equipment. The gas company only provides us with fuel, signs and POS equipment.

We set our own prices legally they can't tell us what to sell gas for. Wholesale prices is something we have no control over and our wholesale prices sometimes change 3 times in a week.

Prices are all the same at gas stations because if one gas station is lower customers will go there and you will lose business. So you have to mach right way.

[jtrinh]

^^I live pretty close to a Petro Can. and sometimes in the early mornings, one of the attendants would go outside with a pair of binoculars and look two blocks down at the Shell and Super Save. They sure do price match with surrounding stations.

[Gerbs]

My family owns a gas station. We own the property, building and all the equipment. The gas company only provides us with fuel, signs and POS equipment.

We set our own prices legally they can't tell us what to sell gas for. Wholesale prices is something we have no control over and our wholesale prices sometimes change 3 times in a week.

Prices are all the same at gas stations because if one gas station is lower customers will go there and you will lose business. So you have to mach right way.

I have a friend who's father owns 9 shells. According to him they don't profit off gas much :ahwow:. Instead most of the profits come from what they sell inside their store like snacks and drinks. Is that true O.O

[Manic!]

I have a friend who's father owns 9 shells. According to him they don't profit off gas much :ahwow:. Instead most of the profits come from what they sell inside their store like snacks and drinks. Is that true O.O

We make money off gas. Does your friend own 9 stations or does he just manage them for shell. if he is making no money on gas he should look for a different suppler when his contract is up. owning 9 gas stations should give him some leverage when it comes to sign the next contract.

[jsran]

164.9/L Petro Canada right now

[HondaGuy]

Husky on victoria and 33rd is 147.x

Chevron on victoria and 35/36 is 148.x, after I filled up I went inside to buy snacks and talk to cashier, he said prices are sooo high and after 11pm-12 midnight, it will be 153.x
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[BrRsn]

fawk .. gonna have to fill up tomorrow :alone:


you guys talking about gas, I used to get chevron 94 until my mechanic told me I was getting a bad knock -- started running shell 91 and it runs a lot better w/ no knocks now. Coincidence or just stale gas?

[BBMme]

I was happy when I moved to victoria 135.9. Now it's 141.9:(
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[skiiipi]

So I gyess they don't sell your car in California? because California and a bunch of other states and provinces only sell 91.

I was under the impression that Corvette Z06, ZR1 and Nissan GTR as well as Subaru STis are recommended 94 gas as per their owners manual?

I never owned any of the above cars so I cannot verify, but a friend of mine drives a 911 Turbo, and he is fine w/ 91 gas......so weird that stock Vettes and GTRs are tuned for 94s...

[ProBoostin]

We're still much better than Europe. Was just in Italy for a month and gas there was 1.65 Euro which is a about $2.30 here. But people are smart there and everyone drives a diesel and every car comes in a diesel. Although diesel is only 10 cents cheaper the car I was driiving around in was getting 45 mpg through the mountains that had like 25 switchbacks climbing up to 8000ft

[Shorn]

Dealer told me to put chev 94 cause there is no ethanol. ( running a bi-turbo v8)
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baller :fullofwin:

My question is who from the dealer told you this? Most sales men don't understand what octane rating even means.
I believe 91-92 doesn't have any octane either.

like i said earlier in vancouver at least, only shell 91 doesn't have ethanol. i believe chevron 94 doesn't either but i mean if there is no power difference with 94 then shell 91 should be good for pretty much any car out there.


and i don't want to generalize about all gas stations but a specific husky that i know of makes only around 2-3 cents per litre when the price is good. often they only make a cent or less or even at cost to compete with other stations.

and they sell about 10,000 litres of gas per day so do the math. not a lot of money. they make more from cigarettes and soft drinks.

but they DO make alot more money from propane and diesel.

[Gh0stRider]

filled up today. $21 :troll:

[dared3vil0]

I find it hard to believe a gas station makes anywhere from $0-$300 a day on gas and stays in business...

[Gucci Mane]

I have a friend who's father owns 9 shells. According to him they don't profit off gas much :ahwow:. Instead most of the profits come from what they sell inside their store like snacks and drinks. Is that true O.O

your friends dad doesnt own those stations. maybe 1 or 2 but i highly doubt that. he just "manages" the sites. the store and the contents in side of it are how he makes his money. they just receive a percentage from the gas sales.

my cousin runs the esso site on mountain hwy in north van. if you guys want a good car wash and live in north van, go to his site. hes very anal about how his car wash works so its always in tip top shape.

[Manic!]

baller :fullofwin:



like i said earlier in vancouver at least, only shell 91 doesn't have ethanol. i believe chevron 94 doesn't either but i mean if there is no power difference with 94 then shell 91 should be good for pretty much any car out there.


and i don't want to generalize about all gas stations but a specific husky that i know of makes only around 2-3 cents per litre when the price is good. often they only make a cent or less or even at cost to compete with other stations.

and they sell about 10,000 litres of gas per day so do the math. not a lot of money. they make more from cigarettes and soft drinks.

but they DO make alot more money from propane and diesel.

So when the street price goes up 3 cents do they pay more for the gas they already have in there tanks? ;) .

[Shorn]

So when the street price goes up 3 cents do they pay more for the gas they already have in there tanks? ;) .

no they get deliveries every 3-4 days
and price is different each time i guess.

don't know all the specifics. and yes it's hard to believe that they dont make that much on gas alone but that's what they told me.

[Lomac]

I was under the impression that Corvette Z06, ZR1 and Nissan GTR as well as Subaru STis are recommended 94 gas as per their owners manual?

I never owned any of the above cars so I cannot verify, but a friend of mine drives a 911 Turbo, and he is fine w/ 91 gas......so weird that stock Vettes and GTRs are tuned for 94s...

Most modern cars that have engines designed for higher octane gases are capable of adjusting the timing to run lower octane gas. They may recommend 94 for "optimal performance" but the car will still run perfectly fine on 87.

[xpl0sive]

I highly doubt any car manufacturer says that the car is required to have 94 octane, simply because most of the US doesn't get 94 octane fuel. The highest most places have is 91 and some states have 93. As far as I know, California has banned 93 octane and they only get 91 now. Most luxury and performance cars require "Premium" fuel, which is 91 and higher by NA standards.
As far as optimal performance, if your car has a high compression engine and advanced timing, it won't run "fine" on 87. You may think it runs fine, but really your ECU is having to constantly dump fuel in order to compensate for detonation due to the low octane...thats why people say they get better fuel mileage with higher octane fuel... less detonation = less fuel dump.
If your engine was designed to run on 87 octane, which means it's a low compression engine, then putting 91 or 94 into your car is just a waste of money.

[Geoc]

Gas is so expensive... but I can't let go of the V8 rumble just yet...

[xpl0sive]

you cant boycott/protest a global commodity... I feel sorry for the franchise owners of gas stations who get boycotted/protested as if it's their fault. People are stupid if they believe in that "Hey if we stop buying gas for one day at ___ station they will be forced to lower prices" spam.

no one was boycotting just one gas station. people/trucking/delivery companies simply said that they wont buy fuel for a number of days, and they didn't. Sure one or two people boycotting your local petro can won't hurt the giant gas corporation, but when you have a few million people not spending $50 on average on fuel, that does hurt.

[Manic!]

no one was boycotting just one gas station. people/trucking/delivery companies simply said that they wont buy fuel for a number of days, and they didn't. Sure one or two people boycotting your local petro can won't hurt the giant gas corporation, but when you have a few million people not spending $50 on average on fuel, that does hurt.

You expect people to stop driving for a few days? People will just buy fuel before or after the boycott.

[xpl0sive]

You expect people to stop driving for a few days? People will just buy fuel before or after the boycott.


you say that like i'm promoting it. all I'm saying is it's happened before, when the truckers refused to buy fuel and it did affect the gas companies.

[dared3vil0]

All i know is i'm mighty fucking tired of paying ~1.53/liter. HOWEVER, i think i'd get tired of the alternative awful quick...

[Geoc]

All i know is i'm mighty fucking tired of paying ~1.53/liter. HOWEVER, i think i'd get tired of the alternative awful quick...

Whats your alternative? Bus? Biking?

[dared3vil0]

^ I don't have one, that was kind of the point.

[Lomac]

As far as optimal performance, if your car has a high compression engine and advanced timing, it won't run "fine" on 87. You may think it runs fine, but really your ECU is having to constantly dump fuel in order to compensate for detonation due to the low octane...thats why people say they get better fuel mileage with higher octane fuel... less detonation = less fuel dump.

I'll admit "just fine" was a bit of overstatement. I was tired when I wrote that. :p I just meant that in the short term the negative effects it'll have on your engine is minimal as they're capable of retarding the timing to combat the lower detonation of 87. I would never recommend it for more than a couple fill ups as you'll see the same negative fuel mileage as a base Civic would that uses 94.

[2damaxmr2]

12.5:1 compression ratio. I do need 93+ octane or the engine will knock.

[Geoc]

^ I don't have one, that was kind of the point.

Don't knock it till you try it :troll:

[meme405]

Don't knock it till you try it :troll:

lol.

with that said shell premium all day everyday, and trust me it costs me a fortune in a 4000lb fx.

but as someone else said, you gotta pay to play

[mr_chin]

bringing back old thread.

ethanol is known to cause corrosion on engine because of the water it absorbs.

i've been use chevron 94 for my accord which is regular unleaded fuel according to the manual. i'm gonna test the mileage difference vs 89 next fill up since i got the $20 petro gift card from shoppers.

[R. Mutt]

Wa? I think you are mixing up methanol and ethanol. And even if that were the case there is not enough ethanol content in the gas to damage internals. Moreover, why are so many tuned cars in the US running E85 successfully in the 400-1000 +whp (many of which are daily driven cars too).

I'm still of the opinion that Canadian market Chevron 94 is shitty gas. Its knock resistance is lower than US market Chevron 92.

[dared3vil0]

ONLY RUN PREMIUM IF YOUR CAR SAYS TO! Your wasting money on your old accord by putting 94 in it.

[Timpo]

ok it's not $1.50+/L

We've been talking about $2+/L for like 3 or 4 years now...and it's yet to happen.

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[nsx042003]

Dealer told me to put chev 94 cause there is no ethanol. ( running a bi-turbo v8)
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Then you better not drive your car over to eastern canada :lawl: because the best they have is 91.

:yuno: Unless you guys can prove to me dealers tune cars based on region, I stand by the fact that there's no need to put anything more than 91. You are just wasting your money.

[knight604]

gas spike my ass , my arse was ready.

[Lomac]

bringing back old thread.

ethanol is known to cause corrosion on engine because of the water it absorbs.

i've been use chevron 94 for my accord which is regular unleaded fuel according to the manual. i'm gonna test the mileage difference vs 89 next fill up since i got the $20 petro gift card from shoppers.

:facepalm:

[Fafine]

1.11 here in Calgary. Daamm
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[mr_chin]

Wa? I think you are mixing up methanol and ethanol. And even if that were the case there is not enough ethanol content in the gas to damage internals. Moreover, why are so many tuned cars in the US running E85 successfully in the 400-1000 +whp (many of which are daily driven cars too).

I'm still of the opinion that Canadian market Chevron 94 is shitty gas. Its detonation resistance is lower than US market Chevron 92.

So ethanol causes engine knocking is a myth?
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[m_coupe]

Wa? I think you are mixing up methanol and ethanol. And even if that were the case there is not enough ethanol content in the gas to damage internals. Moreover, why are so many tuned cars in the US running E85 successfully in the 400-1000 +whp (many of which are daily driven cars too).

I'm still of the opinion that Canadian market Chevron 94 is shitty gas. Its detonation resistance is lower than US market Chevron 92.

so would Shell gold be the way to go then? As I have only ever used Chevron 94

[westopher]

My car feels like it runs better, and it for sure gets better milage on shell 91 over chevron 94. In my old gti and my m3.

[UFO]

ONLY RUN PREMIUM IF YOUR CAR SAYS TO! Your wasting money on your old accord by putting 94 in it.

From my understanding, especially in older cars, carbon buildup and deposits in the combustion chamber can lead to the engine running like it has an effectively higher compression ratio than original spec. So those in this situation may find and feel that they get better mileage on higher octane than required may not be wasting their money. I could be just spewing garbage info though

Wa? I think you are mixing up methanol and ethanol. And even if that were the case there is not enough ethanol content in the gas to damage internals. Moreover, why are so many tuned cars in the US running E85 successfully in the 400-1000 +whp (many of which are daily driven cars too).


E85 cars can make more power, but they are specifically tuned to run on E85 and that is also widely available in the US. The Canadian ethanol content in gas 'may contain up to 10% ethanol' blended in, not exactly a reliable or consistent number that manufacturer can tune stock ECU's to maximize. I doubt the up to 10% ethanol will do ANY damage to stock internals with stock tunes, but doesn't mean its optimized

So ethanol causes engine knocking is a myth?
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I recall guys who had EGT gauges saying that ethanol blends resulted in higher temps than same octane fuel with no ethanol. So if your car is finely tuned to squeeze out every last HP on straight gas, than an ethanol blend can likely cause detonation under similar load conditions.

[dared3vil0]

In my m3.

Gawd damn, i can only imagine how good it must feel to say that! :ahwow:

[westopher]

haha technically I own the shittiest M3 ever made, but its like being the dumbest brain surgeon. I cant see myself ever not owning some incarnation of it.

[knight604]

Thats why i've been running shell 91 since ive had cars, something is up with chev.

[Timpo]

Gas is so expensive... but I can't let go of the V8 rumble just yet...

what car do you drive? some V8s don't require premium...

Mustang GT for example...

_____Copy_______
Choosing the right fuel
Use only UNLEADED fuel or UNLEADED fuel blended with a maximum
of 10% ethanol. Do not use fuel ethanol (E85), diesel, methanol, leaded
fuel or any other fuel. The use of leaded fuel is prohibited by law and
could damage your vehicle.
Your vehicle was not designed to use fuel or fuel additives with metallic
compounds, including manganese-based additives.
Note: Use of any fuel other than those recommended may cause
powertrain damage, a loss of vehicle performance, and repairs may not
be covered under warranty.
Octane recommendations
Your vehicle is designed to use
“Regular” unleaded gasoline with a
pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87.
Some stations offer fuels posted as
“Regular” with an octane rating
below 87, particularly in high altitude areas. Fuels with octane levels
below 87 are not recommended.

Octane recommendations (5.0L V8 engine)
Your vehicle will run normally on 87 octane regular fuel without
damaging the engine, but premium fuel with an octane rating of 91
(R+M)/2 or higher is recommended for best overall performance.
___end Copy_____

[m_coupe]

My car feels like it runs better, and it for sure gets better milage on shell 91 over chevron 94. In my old gti and my m3.

That is very very interesting for sure. as a fellow "m" owner, I think I will try some shell gold for my next couple tanks.

[R. Mutt]

So ethanol causes engine knocking is a myth?

I can't see how ethanol would increase the chances of engine knock...it artificially increases the knock resistance of the gas....if anything it should diminish the likelihood of knocking

E85 cars can make more power, but they are specifically tuned to run on E85 and that is also widely available in the US. The Canadian ethanol content in gas 'may contain up to 10% ethanol' blended in, not exactly a reliable or consistent number that manufacturer can tune stock ECU's to maximize. I doubt the up to 10% ethanol will do ANY damage to stock internals with stock tunes, but doesn't mean its optimized

I agree, "up to 10% ethanol" will not damage internals. Likewise, any noticeable increase in performance is unlikely but rather dependent on how well that vehicle's ECU can self adjust. You can fill your car with rocket fuel and it wouldn't make a difference until you tell the ecu to lean out the mixture and advance timing.

so would Shell gold be the way to go then? As I have only ever used Chevron 94

I don't think it's black and white like that. It all depends on how your ecu controls fuel and timing. I can't speak for other vehicles...only my own because I've datalogged Chevron 94 and Shell 91 enough to testify that the car runs better in both closed and open loop mode with the latter. Chevron 94 should have better knock resistance but I haven't found this to be the case. I get just as much knock if not more on Chevron 94 in my logs as Shell 91...BUT the difference is the Shell is consistent.

If I get a knock count of say 3@7000rpm and 5500rpm and retard timing a degree then it goes away with the Shell and never comes back. The Chevron is all over the place...it will knock at one spot and disappear and then show up in another. Sometimes the knock counts are higher than the Shell. You pull timing and sometimes it goes away, sometimes it doesn't...it's really iffy that way.

Tune for it one day and it's all good. Next fill up the car will knock again. I would especially see knock at higher rpm like 7k with the Chevron where that wouldn't happen with the Shell.

If your ecu is self adjusting in open loop (when going wide open throttle) then you should be fine with ethanol blended gas as the ecu will account for the variation and increase/decrease timing accordinly. The evo's ecu runs off high and low octane fuel and ignition maps during open loop. For every 3 counts the knock sensor registers the ECU pulls 1 degree of timing...and will look to interpolate between the high and low octane maps. So if the car is running knock free it will stay happy and use the AFRs and timing from the high octane map and my face looks like :fullofwin:

But from the time it starts knocking the ECU dumps fuel to richen up the mixture and pulls timing...:okay:


you can immediately feel the difference in performance. Outside of upping boost...timing is where you really make power and that's why it's crucial that my car like the gas I'm running...and so far Shell has proven to be the lesser of the two evils. STI's run in a similar way...except they have a number called the IAM: Ignition Advance Multiplier. A confluence of factors account for this number...but the long and short of it is the higher the IAM the more timing the ECU will throw at the mix...but if the car doesn't like the gas it lowers the IAM and the car feels like poop.