[AuZZZie]

Gents,

I received a warning for no front license plate over the weekend. First time I've had a problem in the 4 years I've been in BC.

No front license plate is $109 but the officer verbally told me that if I was caught after the warning it was $598 or something absurd.

Can anyone clarify if it goes up after a first offence/warning or is it the same $109 ding each time?

Cheers

[XplicitLuder]

i say it depends on the discretion of the officer..but then again i'd GUESS 1-2 times would be 109$ , the 3rd time its 50/50 , and more tickets after that for the SAME offence, you SHOULD be getting dinged more as you obviously think you're above the law lol and by you i mean people in general, not YOU op lol :badpokerface:

[bcrdukes]

Breaking the law. Yes, I know. It's absurd to be punished and fined.

Sigh.

[AuZZZie]

I have no problem with the ticket. I'm asking for clarification on the amounts for people with experience. Reading comprehension really isn't strong in the youth of today is it?

Fine amounts are not at the discretion of the officer. We have a judicial system and structured traffic offence violations for a reason. They don't just make up amounts based on your history for these kind of things.
I may or may not run a front plate. I'm undecided. They destroy the lines of my car, but I may end up doing it anyway. That is irrelevant.

I assumed there would be a number of people on here familiar with the front license plate laws and if they in fact increase after a warning/first offence. I'm not disputing the legality or the ticket. I can bold that and add some pretty colours if necessary?

[FerrariEnzo]

BC requires both front and back...
Go to alberta and register your car there if you dont want the front plates :troll:

ICBC has a page containing the fines (http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/tickets/paying-disputing/chart-offenceswithfines)
But these are still not the final... its USUALLY at the officers discretion, I believe

"Motor Vehicle Act section 3.02
Improper display of plate
$230"

[bloodmack]

Police Forum - Vancouver's Top Classifieds and Automotive Forum - REVscene.net (http://www.revscene.net/forums/police-forum_143/) would probably serve you better. Also try visiting the ICBC website they have a list of all the tickets and their fines. I don't think any fine really has a stacking amount for each offence.. repeat offences would probably influence the officer from either giving you a warning or giving you a ticket.

[AuZZZie]

Police Forum - Vancouver's Top Classifieds and Automotive Forum - REVscene.net (http://www.revscene.net/forums/police-forum_143/) would probably serve you better. Also try visiting the ICBC website they have a list of all the tickets and their fines. I don't think any fine really has a stacking amount for each offence.. repeat offences would probably influence the officer from either giving you a warning or giving you a ticket.

That is where I got the $109 amount from. I've also never heard of a fine that increased with consecutive violations, but as I have no familiarity with this particular law I thought I'd ask. I figured there would be a quite a few chaps that just take the ticket, pay it and be on there way. Much like an exhaust or tint ticket.

As it turns out, Revscene are all upstanding scholars and all vehicles owned by its members comply with each and every Motor Vehicle Act Regulation. Eye opening for sure....

Thanks for the link, I don't frequent here often and I should have skimmed the sections better.

[nabs]

Attitude and sarcasm aren't going to get you anywhere.

[Spidey]

LOL. you've definitely made a good impression with your first 3 posts. A simple google would have probably answered your question. The only offence I can think of, off the top of my head is Driving without insurance. A normal infraction should not increase in price each time, but ICBC may ding you for points, which are associated with fines.

Was it a verbal warning, or a notice in order? If it is a NO, then you have X amount of days to get whatever it is corrected, or else the fine is a few hundred bucks.

Improper display of plate is 230 which is what people who put their front plate behind the windshield should get.

No number plate could be used to charge under this circumstance since you required to have 2, which is 109

[AuZZZie]

LOL. you've definitely made a good impression with your first 3 posts. A simple google would have probably answered your question. The only offence I can think of, off the top of my head is Driving without insurance. A normal infraction should not increase in price each time, but ICBC may ding you for points, which are associated with fines.

Was it a verbal warning, or a notice in order? If it is a NO, then you have X amount of days to get whatever it is corrected, or else the fine is a few hundred bucks.

Improper display of plate is 230 which is what people who put their front plate behind the windshield should get.

No front plate could be used to charge under this circumstance since you required to have 2, which is 109

Google didn't get me too far unfortunately. I honestly thought this would be a common scenario in the tuner community and those with more time in BC than myself could answer it no worries.

It's a written warning but with no section codes on it, but it's definitely for the lack of the front plate not improper display (odd how having the plate displayed incorrectly is more expensive than not having it at all).

[AuZZZie]

Attitude and sarcasm aren't going to get you anywhere.

It's got me by in my life thus far. Thanks for your concern though. :)

I asked a simple question, people chose to either not read, or lack the intelligence to read what I wrote correctly. If by setting the record straight that is considered attitude, then so be it.

[Spidey]

Google didn't get me too far unfortunately. I honestly thought this would be a common scenario in the tuner community and those with more time in BC than myself could answer it no worries.

It's a written warning but with no section codes on it, but it's definitely for the lack of the front plate not improper display (odd how having the plate displayed incorrectly is more expensive than not having it at all).

having a piece of metal behind a windshield or a loose plate outside a car is a SERIOUS hazard that could lead to possibly severed limbs or decapitation. nothing on your vehicle should be loose anyways in case it flies off and strikes anything/one.

The warning is for no front plate, which if you were charged, would be for "no number plate"

[MikeHB]

Attitude and sarcasm aren't going to get you anywhere.

I agree with this 100%. No need for it
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[MindBomber]

having a piece of metal behind a windshield or a loose plate outside a car is a SERIOUS hazard that could lead to possibly severed limbs or decapitation. nothing on your vehicle should be loose anyways in case it flies off and strikes anything/one.

The warning is for no front plate, which if you were charged, would be for "no number plate"

I consistently see license plates sitting against a windshield, and always laugh.

The choice to place a sharp piece of metal at head/neck level in a moving vehicle is darwinism at its finest.

[AuZZZie]

having a piece of metal behind a windshield or a loose plate outside a car is a SERIOUS hazard that could lead to possibly severed limbs or decapitation. nothing on your vehicle should be loose anyways in case it flies off and strikes anything/one.


Makes perfect sense now you mention it.

Easy bunch to get a rise out of. While it's been a blast, I've received my answer from a reputable source so figured I would share for any other master mind criminals looking to evade police or run over puppies and small children as insinuated by the glowing response to this thread.

It's a $109 ticket each and every time. There is no sliding scale. So the officer either had a couple too many with lunch or was just trying to put the fear of god in me.

[freakshow]

i smell a troll. or maybe just an idiot..

[maxx]

109 everytime, pay it in 30 days and its 85 or something. no points. its the price for looking nice.

[bloodline129]

Why is he a troll? Even if its his 1st. Post, u all jumped the ship to rag in him ABOUT a fucking license plate haha... Love how revscene turns into your parent as soon as u ask something, about something you shouldn't be doing lol.
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[mikey2781]

Lol some cops are just dickbags, especially the ones in Richmond.

Had a license plate in the front bumper mounted securely, was slightly recessed into a vent. The cop said the license plate can't be seen by a red light camera clearly so he gave me a $196 ticket. I laughed and disputed.

[AuZZZie]

109 everytime, pay it in 30 days and its 85 or something. no points. its the price for looking nice.

This man gets it.

I did not know about the discount within 30 days though. Good to know.

[maxx]

for those who didnt know, the fine is higher and you get points of the plate is modified (bent, sticker, whatever) or is in your windshield. so just keep it in the trunk or home or whatever

[AuZZZie]

Lol some cops are just dickbags, especially the ones in Richmond.

Had a license plate in the front bumper mounted securely, was slightly recessed into a vent. The cop said the license plate can't be seen by a red light camera clearly so he gave me a $196 ticket. I laughed and disputed.

He was a decent bloke. No complaints there. Even gave me the green light to take a leak on the side of the road during the traffic stop.

[snails]

Why is he a troll? Even if its his 1st. Post, u all jumped the ship to rag in him ABOUT a fucking license plate haha... Love how revscene turns into your parent as soon as u ask something, about something you shouldn't be doing lol.
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until they realize heir exhaust is illegal,, their coil overs are, hell even their wheels arnt deemed safe by icbc for road use either :lawl:


dont believe me? check the box on the parts you buy. "off road use only"

i personally would run a front plate.. but mine is bent up anyways. as already posted above an officer cant just make up a number for the ticket he/she wants to give.. if he/she was in a really bad mood he/she could find other things wrong with the car and give a VI for it..

ps im not saying not running a front plate is good.. but most the cars on this forum wouldnt pass a VI in their current state.. lets not be so quick to judge

[negative.one]

if we want to get technical, any modification to your vehicle is illegal. Since cars are safety tested with oem parts...

[Spidey]

for those who didnt know, the fine is higher and you get points of the plate is modified (bent, sticker, whatever) or is in your windshield. so just keep it in the trunk or home or whatever

Did you read the previous replies I made? BTW, there aren't any points associated with "improper display of plate" $230

Lol some cops are just dickbags, especially the ones in Richmond.

Had a license plate in the front bumper mounted securely, was slightly recessed into a vent. The cop said the license plate can't be seen by a red light camera clearly so he gave me a $196 ticket. I laughed and disputed.

so Richmond cops are especially dickbags because of the one encounter, or was that just one example of many experiences?

btw,

Plates to be unobstructed

3.03 A number plate must be kept entirely unobstructed and free from dirt or foreign material, so that the numbers and letters on it may be plainly seen and read at all times and so that the numbers and letters may be accurately photographed using a speed monitoring device or traffic light safety device prescribed under section 83.1 of the Act.

If you live in Richmond, or drive in Richmond often, you would understand why RCMP there have little tolerance for bad drivers/driving infractions in the city... Not to mention a good percentage are driving while prohibited/no DL/ or milking off an international licence they should have transferred to e BC licence years ago.

[Grim]

i wish i have money... then ill just throw my shitty front plate to rust..
but im poor :) and rather spend the money on other stuff

[mikey2781]

The police quoted 3.02 instead of the 3.03, am I off the hook? He SAID it was blocking from cameras, but he WROTE improper display of front plate section 3.02.

And I've gotten 4 tickets in richmond within a year.
First one was "car too low" (my car is no where near low, just the front lip is SOMEWHAT low, I can shove two shoes under my lip.) Disputed and didn't have to pay.
Second one was muffler is widened? dafuq is this shit? I changed my entire catback exhaust system so how did I widen my muffler? Why are there muffler shops if you can't modify your muffler? Disputed and didn't have to pay.
Third one was taillight tint (i deserved this.) Paid.
Fourth was this license plate bs.


so Richmond cops are especially dickbags because of the one encounter, or was that just one example of many experiences?

btw,

Plates to be unobstructed

3.03 A number plate must be kept entirely unobstructed and free from dirt or foreign material, so that the numbers and letters on it may be plainly seen and read at all times and so that the numbers and letters may be accurately photographed using a speed monitoring device or traffic light safety device prescribed under section 83.1 of the Act.

If you live in Richmond, or drive in Richmond often, you would understand why RCMP there have little tolerance for bad drivers/driving infractions in the city... Not to mention a good percentage are driving while prohibited/no DL/ or milking off an international licence they should have transferred to e BC licence years ago.

[Spidey]

The police quoted 3.02 instead of the 3.03, am I off the hook? He SAID it was blocking from cameras, but he WROTE improper display of front plate section 3.02.

And I've gotten 4 tickets in richmond within a year.
First one was "car too low" (my car is no where near low, just the front lip is SOMEWHAT low, I can shove two shoes under my lip.) Disputed and didn't have to pay.
Second one was muffler is widened? dafuq is this shit? I changed my entire catback exhaust system so how did I widen my muffler? Why are there muffler shops if you can't modify your muffler? Disputed and didn't have to pay.
Third one was taillight tint (i deserved this.) Paid.
Fourth was this license plate bs.

3.02 is improper display of plate.
"A number plate shall at all times be securely fastened in a horizontal position to the vehicle for which it is issued."

3.03 is illegible plate

You said you disputed already.. But the PO can always amend the charge to 3.03, and it wouldn't get you off the hook. Usually whoever is processing the ticket after the PO submits it, would catch the error. If they do catch the error, the PO will have to reissue you a ticket, and your original ticket is void.

Just because there are muffler shops, doesn't make it legal. It isn't the auto shop's responsibility to ensure what you ask for is legal. It seems to me that you don't know many of the laws regarding car modification. The MVAR outlines what is and isn't legal with respect to the motor vehicle itself.

MUFFLER:

From what you stated, it sounds like the PO gave you a ticket under section 7.03(4) of the MVAR

Alteration prohibited

(4) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler the exhaust outlet of which has been opened or widened.

You can dispute saying that the aftermarket wasn't "widened" as it came direct from the factory like that. You could also say that the aftermarket muffler is "wider" than the OEM muffler made / came with the car. You said you won that dispute so I guess the judge sided for you.. unless you won because the officer didn't show up.

The fact is, you run the risk of being hassled by cops when you drive a vehicle that catches the eye or ear. A lot of cars are obnoxiously loud, and I wish that was enforced more often. Don't get me started on Harleys!

All the times you mentioned that you were stopped/ticketed, imo, are legitimate. The only issue is that you may or may not have been charged with the proper sections. I am sure there are regulations prohibiting a lot of aftermarket exhausts out there today, but I cannot think of it right now. I THOUGHT there was a limitation on the size of tips, but I could be mistaken

[BABU]

Richmond is the worst place to drive a modified car. RCMP < VPD

[xXSupa]

Since the law states $109, then it's $109. The officer can't fine you over that for the reason you said (Missing front license plate)

HOWEVER, depending on your attitude and previous warning notes, you may be fined for other stuff that he can pin on you.

I still believe that attitude is everything when a cop stops you. An officer usually has many options when he writes you a ticket. One example is if you turned right during a red light at an intersection that clearly states "No Right turns on Red", the officer can either:

1) Fine you for "Disobeying traffic sign", which is $121
2) Fine you for Running a red light, which is $167
3) Fine you for Disobeying traffic sign AND running a red light, which totals to $288

[Spidey]

Since the law states $109, then it's $109. The officer can't fine you over that for the reason you said (Missing front license plate)

HOWEVER, depending on your attitude and previous warning notes, you may be fined for other stuff that he can pin on you.

I still believe that attitude is everything when a cop stops you. An officer usually has many options when he writes you a ticket. One example is if you turned right during a red light at an intersection that clearly states "No Right turns on Red", the officer can either:

1) Fine you for "Disobeying traffic sign", which is $121
2) Fine you for Running a red light, which is $167
3) Fine you for Disobeying traffic sign AND running a red light, which totals to $288

The thing is that the only one that would fly in court would be the first one for the following reason(s);

2) wouldn't be right, because you are permitted to turn right at a red light at intersections (unless a sign says not to, which is an offence in its own). If he didn't completely stop, and rolled through and conducted a right turn, then he could be charged for running a red light.

3) As per 2, he could get both ONLY if he didn't stop at the light before proceeding.

[xXSupa]

^Ah yes, that is true.

But to be honest, how often do we come to a complete stop behind the line at each and every single red light when turning right? We probably roll it or stop past the line, a majority of the times. So that could count then, for running a red.

Edit: I just realized that I repeated exactly what you said, in different wording. Oops. Derped.

[toddzilla]

I've been given at least 3 warnings over the years - as illegal as it is (and arbitrary, in my opinion) - I'll risk it, though I keep my front plate under my floor mat and tell them the original plate frame broke/got rusty, etc...and it's on order. Attitude IS a huge factor when a cop confronts you about it. Be a dick, chances are you'll get stung. I've been 'lucky' every time. Honestly, unless you're doing something else that warrants being pulled over, odds are low they'll even bother....at least in my experience. Bigger fish to fry.

Now, on another (somewhat related) note, a few years back I ran across a 911 that had a magnetic (?) 'printed' copy of his exact front plate that adhered to the bumper, as opposed to any holes. Anybody know about these?

[dared3vil0]

Would like an answer to the magnetic plate stuff aswell...

[tarobbt]

I got a no front plate ticket last year.

Paid it off and ICBC cancelled the ticket and sent me my money back 3 months later :lawl:

[godwin]

Still illegal.. you have to have ICBC issued ones.

I've been given at least 3 warnings over the years - as illegal as it is (and arbitrary, in my opinion) - I'll risk it, though I keep my front plate under my floor mat and tell them the original plate frame broke/got rusty, etc...and it's on order. Attitude IS a huge factor when a cop confronts you about it. Be a dick, chances are you'll get stung. I've been 'lucky' every time. Honestly, unless you're doing something else that warrants being pulled over, odds are low they'll even bother....at least in my experience. Bigger fish to fry.

Now, on another (somewhat related) note, a few years back I ran across a 911 that had a magnetic (?) 'printed' copy of his exact front plate that adhered to the bumper, as opposed to any holes. Anybody know about these?

[snails]

I've been given at least 3 warnings over the years - as illegal as it is (and arbitrary, in my opinion) - I'll risk it, though I keep my front plate under my floor mat and tell them the original plate frame broke/got rusty, etc...and it's on order. Attitude IS a huge factor when a cop confronts you about it. Be a dick, chances are you'll get stung. I've been 'lucky' every time. Honestly, unless you're doing something else that warrants being pulled over, odds are low they'll even bother....at least in my experience. Bigger fish to fry.

Now, on another (somewhat related) note, a few years back I ran across a 911 that had a magnetic (?) 'printed' copy of his exact front plate that adhered to the bumper, as opposed to any holes. Anybody know about these?

I have to agree with you for this post, my plate has always been in the window or have the white part of the bottom bent up and ive never had an actual issue with it.

i double sided taped it to the inside of my window on my first car because i dodnt have a mounting bracket and i was stopped in a few roadblocks, cops always asked about it and i told them it was securely mounted.

currently the bottom of my plate is bent "all numbers/letters clearly visible"
and in the few road blocks ive been too they ask where the plate is because i guess they didnt notice instantly at night that its off to the bottom corner, once they find it they always let me on my way.

unless you are doing something wrong cops usually wont bother you.. and like anyone, if you give them a hard time they will give you a hard time..

as goes for the licence plate bracket, you can buy magnetic ones, suction ones and double side tape mounting brackets so you doing ruing the bumper on your car

[wonton1017]

Just went to court today for "IMPROPER DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE"
Officer said that "All license plates must be PROTRUDING from your bumper, installed by SCREWS and has to be completely horizontal"

Mine was in the bumper in one of the bumper ducts and was installed by 4 thick zip ties (Half was protruding, half was 2cm behind the outest part of my bumper). For those who don't get pulled over for not using SCREWS for our license plate, consider yourself lucky.

Judge reduced the fine from $196 to $95 and also reduced it for my 3 other violations as well, luckily officer dropped 2 of the violations or else I would be pleading guilty for 6 violations. ($750 ticket became $240)


P.S. I was driving 55km/h on Steveston highway behind a huge truck drinking my coffee when I got pulled over. Acted calm and nice, the officer tells me "At first I pulled you over because you changed the colour of your car and didn't notify ICBC right away, but now that I walked around your car, I see that you have numerous illegal modifications on your car."

So in my situation, attitude towards the police officer didn't do anything. I was wearing formal work clothing as well at the time.

[J.C]

i hear richmond cops dislike modded cars

[BoostedBB6]

Cops need to find something better to do that bother drivers with exhausts and no front plates. How about pulling over the 20+ excessive speeders I see every day..... Keep the roads safe and stop collecting revenue.
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[meme405]

For the guy above wondering about the license plate sticker the 911 had, I see this often. What it is is a digital scan of the license plate printed on vinyl. Then you can stick it on like a sticker.

As others said it is still illegal but gives the cops a lot less to worry about.

[godwin]

From their perspective, in Richmond:
1. There are a high concentration of bad drivers,
2. There are a high concentration of modded cars,
3. and oh memory of Constable Jimmy Ng

I won't say they dislike modded cars, the cars are just collateral damage. If cops don't need to patrol as much, especially after attending an accident scene, then you will won't see them as often.

I think most drivers who can afford their Bentleys and Lambos can afford a ticket or 2 or 3 a month.. I consider that a great benefit to the rest of Canadians and an extra income for general revenue. I don't mind RCMP give tickets out in Richmond like they give away free newspapers at skytrain stations.

Go ticket away.

i hear richmond cops dislike modded cars

[godwin]

But I think if you get caught, it could be something worse, since you replicated an official sign / document. Not to mention the plate rules like protrusion etc is for their lasers to work. Your vinyl won't reflect as well as their specially painted plate.

The legal way of not having front plate? Move to Alberta or at least get your car plated there.

For the guy above wondering about the license plate sticker the 911 had, I see this often. What it is is a digital scan of the license plate printed on vinyl. Then you can stick it on like a sticker.

As others said it is still illegal but gives the cops a lot less to worry about.

[Spidey]

Just went to court today for "IMPROPER DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE"
Officer said that "All license plates must be PROTRUDING from your bumper, installed by SCREWS and has to be completely horizontal"

Mine was in the bumper in one of the bumper ducts and was installed by 4 thick zip ties (Half was protruding, half was 2cm behind the outest part of my bumper). For those who don't get pulled over for not using SCREWS for our license plate, consider yourself lucky.

Judge reduced the fine from $196 to $95 and also reduced it for my 3 other violations as well, luckily officer dropped 2 of the violations or else I would be pleading guilty for 6 violations. ($750 ticket became $240)


P.S. I was driving 55km/h on Steveston highway behind a huge truck drinking my coffee when I got pulled over. Acted calm and nice, the officer tells me "At first I pulled you over because you changed the colour of your car and didn't notify ICBC right away, but now that I walked around your car, I see that you have numerous illegal modifications on your car."

So in my situation, attitude towards the police officer didn't do anything. I was wearing formal work clothing as well at the time.

Just because you were dressed we'll and were polite, it doesn't mean you will get off doing someone illegal. Especially if you had MULTIPLE violations.

Cops need to find something better to do that bother drivers with exhausts and no front plates. How about pulling over the 20+ excessive speeders I see every day..... Keep the roads safe and stop collecting revenue.
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If you're driving an illegal vehicle, it's a risk you are taking. It's no ones fault but yours, if you get caught. When I drove a modified vehicle, I knew I risked getting a vt if I were pulled over. How do you know that cops aren't targeting excessive speeders? They can't catch them all, and they aren't going to catch all the drivers you see speeding. They catch what they see. If they happen to notice your illegal mods more often than you like, maybe it's time you drive a car that's within the Mva and mvar

But I think if you get caught, it could be something worse, since you replicated an official sign / document. Not to mention the plate rules like protrusion etc is for their lasers to work. Your vinyl won't reflect as well as their specially painted plate.

The legal way of not having front plate? Move to Alberta or at least get your car plated there.

You are right. Plates must be issued by ICBc replicated plates would be forgery.

[chewbacca]

I'll take "What's a front license plate" for $109, Alex.

[wonton1017]

Just because you were dressed we'll and were polite, it doesn't mean you will get off doing someone illegal. Especially if you had MULTIPLE violations.

That is exactly what I said, I said attitude and appearance to the cop doesn't mean anything when they already decided to nail you.

[BoostedBB6]

Just because you were dressed we'll and were polite, it doesn't mean you will get off doing someone illegal. Especially if you had MULTIPLE violations.



If you're driving an illegal vehicle, it's a risk you are taking. It's no ones fault but yours, if you get caught. When I drove a modified vehicle, I knew I risked getting a vt if I were pulled over. How do you know that cops aren't targeting excessive speeders? They can't catch them all, and they aren't going to catch all the drivers you see speeding. They catch what they see. If they happen to notice your illegal mods more often than you like, maybe it's time you drive a car that's within the Mva and mvar



You are right. Plates must be issued by ICBc replicated plates would be forgery.

Never been caught with an illegal vehicle because I don't own one. Never had this problem before.
But to WASTE tax dollars enforcing a lay regarding the location of a license plate is a blatant waste of tax dollars.
Not only is it a waste of money, the ONLY reason why they require these plates to be in place is to collect ADDITIONAL revenue from road users. If there is no front plate then they may have issues tagging you at the red light camera, of on the toll bridges.

When I call the local non-emergency police number 1 or more times a week to inform them of the idiots doing burnouts and drifting though the parking lot across from my home at 3am and no one bothers to show up to stop the dangerous and damaging activities yet finds the time to pull over a car for no front plate.....priorities are off somewhere.

If one province over does not require a plate then why do we? The government could save money by not issuing them. One plate per car rather than two...literally cut the cost of issuing plates in half......

According to stats can there are 3,236,166 registered vehicles in the province of BC.
Currently ICBC charges $18 for replacement plates if lost/stolen/ect.
Now lets say that we pay a 100% premium on the plates and it costs the BC government $9 to make 1 set of plates.
Thats $4.50 per plate to be made.

$4.50 x 3,236,166 = $14,562,747

So with a savings of 14.5 million on plates the province of BC could focus on some other things.....like additional police members to pull over the yellow Porsche Boxter that blew past me on the highway doping well over 200km/h and nearly took out my car in his abrupt lane change putting the life of myself, my wife and 2 kids at risk.

So, IMO, issuing a $109 ticket for something that causes 0 safety issues and harms not a single person on the road is a blatant attempt on gathering additional income for the province. I have given a better solution that both saves the tax payer money and gives the government more money to spend on vacations and lawyers to help them with there drunk driving cases.

If you wish to bend over and take a fine for something like this I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

PS. Yes, being stats can the numbers may be off but even if the plates cost $1 to make and only half the registers vehicles have plates that's still a savings of $1,618,083. To generate that revenue from plate tickets at $109 each that's 14844 tickets that need to be issued.....ill take a guess but they have not issued that many for plates.

[Spidey]

Never been caught with an illegal vehicle because I don't own one. Never had this problem before.
But to WASTE tax dollars enforcing a lay regarding the location of a license plate is a blatant waste of tax dollars.
Not only is it a waste of money, the ONLY reason why they require these plates to be in place is to collect ADDITIONAL revenue from road users. If there is no front plate then they may have issues tagging you at the red light camera, of on the toll bridges.

When I call the local non-emergency police number 1 or more times a week to inform them of the idiots doing burnouts and drifting though the parking lot across from my home at 3am and no one bothers to show up to stop the dangerous and damaging activities yet finds the time to pull over a car for no front plate.....priorities are off somewhere.

If one province over does not require a plate then why do we? The government could save money by not issuing them. One plate per car rather than two...literally cut the cost of issuing plates in half......

According to stats can there are 3,236,166 registered vehicles in the province of BC.
Currently ICBC charges $18 for replacement plates if lost/stolen/ect.
Now lets say that we pay a 100% premium on the plates and it costs the BC government $9 to make 1 set of plates.
Thats $4.50 per plate to be made.

$4.50 x 3,236,166 = $14,562,747

So with a savings of 14.5 million on plates the province of BC could focus on some other things.....like additional police members to pull over the yellow Porsche Boxter that blew past me on the highway doping well over 200km/h and nearly took out my car in his abrupt lane change putting the life of myself, my wife and 2 kids at risk.

So, IMO, issuing a $109 ticket for something that causes 0 safety issues and harms not a single person on the road is a blatant attempt on gathering additional income for the province. I have given a better solution that both saves the tax payer money and gives the government more money to spend on vacations and lawyers to help them with there drunk driving cases.

If you wish to bend over and take a fine for something like this I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

PS. Yes, being stats can the numbers may be off but even if the plates cost $1 to make and only half the registers vehicles have plates that's still a savings of $1,618,083. To generate that revenue from plate tickets at $109 each that's 14844 tickets that need to be issued.....ill take a guess but they have not issued that many for plates.

It actually isn't a waste of tax dollars. A no plate or improper display of plate fine rakes in 109 and 230 bucks respectively. That's no chump change, and the offender won't be able to defend that in court. You either had a plate or you didn't. At the end of the day, every licences driver should know you are required to have two plates on your vehicle. No excuses if you get caught.

So just because some other provinces don't Require or implement a law, be should follow suit right? A front plate is more than just for red light cameras my misinformed friend. Front plates are used and helpful in identifying vehicles involved in criminal activity and offences that just occurred. You see the front of a car getting away from a scene or a shooting, but lived in Alberta, good luck identifying that rare black Honda civic.

3am in the morning I am sure the police have better things to do than go code 3 to a traffic complaint in a private parking lot. You don't know if they show up or not or if the cars are gone by the time they get there after dealing with higher priority calls. At the end of the day, if you going to make a report regarding bad drivers and want then ticketed, be prepared to attended traffic court and provide evidence as the officer cannot defend a ticket without evidence.

[BoostedBB6]

It actually isn't a waste of tax dollars. A no plate or improper display of plate fine rakes in 109 and 230 bucks respectively. That's no chump change, and the offender won't be able to defend that in court. You either had a plate or you didn't. At the end of the day, every licences driver should know you are required to have two plates on your vehicle. No excuses if you get caught.

So just because some other provinces don't Require or implement a law, be should follow suit right? A front plate is more than just for red light cameras my misinformed friend. Front plates are used and helpful in identifying vehicles involved in criminal activity and offences that just occurred. You see the front of a car getting away from a scene or a shooting, but lived in Alberta, good luck identifying that rare black Honda civic.

3am in the morning I am sure the police have better things to do than go code 3 to a traffic complaint in a private parking lot. You don't know if they show up or not or if the cars are gone by the time they get there after dealing with higher priority calls. At the end of the day, if you going to make a report regarding bad drivers and want then ticketed, be prepared to attended traffic court and provide evidence as the officer cannot defend a ticket without evidence.

It seems as though you are not grasping what is being said so I will take one last try at this.

No one is debating that no front plate is illegal in BC. That is not what anyone is saying. What is being said is the whole concept of a front plate is pointless. It does NOTHING to make the roads a safer place, it only costs the government more money which in turn costs the tax payer more money and also gives them a way to collect additional revenue from the tax payer who does not run a front plate.

And yes, because another province adopted a good idea we SHOULD follow suite. Save a lot of money, appease many people....seems like a good idea to me and if that is the case then yes, BC should adopt these practices.

I call the cops numerous times about these kids. No one EVER shows up. It happens 1 or more times a week. My point in saying this is these drives pose a SAFETY risk and are causing DAMAGE to property. This is what the police should be doing, stopping people from doing things that are unsafe and damaging. No front plate poses no safety risk and no damage to anyone.
As for going to court regarding this, no problem. I have quite the collection of videos of these clowns for this exact reason.
You seem to assume a lot with no backing for anything you keep saying. I do know if the police show up....I live right across the street from this....I have eyes that can see. Sure, maybe one time they have more important things to do but these people pose a safety risk to everyone in the vicinity, this IS a high priority call. Unless someone is being shot/raped/harmed then they need to DO THERE JOB and deal with these people. Its not my job to stop this from happening, nor is is my job to go to court.

You make many invalid points, with no backing other than person opinion....if you wish to retort and continue this please do so with something factual. You claim that the front plate helps with crime. Can you provide any evidence to back your claims or is this assumption on your part? When is the last time a bad driver was pulled over and a witness was needed to back the cops ticket that was issued?

[meme405]

Boosted your figures go on the assumption that we still pay the full $18 when we buy the plates. otherwise they would not receive any extra money.

I would absolutely pay the full $18 still hell I would pay $40, but some people probably might not see it that way.

[BoostedBB6]

Boosted your figures go on the assumption that we still pay the full $18 when we buy the plates. otherwise they would not receive any extra money.

I would absolutely pay the full $18 still hell I would pay $40, but some people probably might not see it that way.

Actually, they are not. Please re-read.

They are based on the assumption that the plates are sold to us at 100% profit, so they only cost $9.
And like I said, even it they were $1 to make that's over 3 million dollars saved.....seems like a good plan to me and benefits the tax payer, government and the guy who does not want to run a front plate.

[Gh0stRider]

i got a no front plate ticket.

The officer gave me some options
1. pay the ticket
2. pay the ticket and put the front plate on
3. dispute the ticket, take a picture with the plate on and he will cancel the ticket at traffic court

#3 of course

[meme405]

Actually, they are not. Please re-read.

They are based on the assumption that the plates are sold to us at 100% profit, so they only cost $9.
And like I said, even it they were $1 to make that's over 3 million dollars saved.....seems like a good plan to me and benefits the tax payer, government and the guy who does not want to run a front plate.

ICBC does not save any money...

We pay for the plates. they dont save any money if we stop paying for the plates and they stop making them.

Thats like saying Louis Vuitton can save 8,000,000 dollars a year by not making sunglasses, but that retarded cause then nobody would buy sunglasses from them and they would have simply not made money.

[BoostedBB6]

ICBC does not save any money...

We pay for the plates. they dont save any money if we stop paying for the plates and they stop making them.

Thats like saying Louis Vuitton can save 8,000,000 dollars a year by not making sunglasses, but that retarded cause then nobody would buy sunglasses from them and they would have simply not made money.

If a company has to buy 2 of the same item but finds out they only need to buy 1 of those items they SAVE money because they only need to buy 1.

ICBC purchases plates, they do not make them. Each plate costs them money. If they only have to buy half as many plates they only have to spend half as much money meaning that other half of the cost can go back to the tax payers.
It makes perfect sense.....

[BoostedBB6]

And, to be clear. I did not say dont pay for plates, I said cut the number of plates required per vehicle to one plate (the rear one) will drop the cost for ICBC because they now only have to buy 1 plate for each car, not two.

[Spidey]

It seems as though you are not grasping what is being said so I will take one last try at this.

No one is debating that no front plate is illegal in BC. That is not what anyone is saying. What is being said is the whole concept of a front plate is pointless. It does NOTHING to make the roads a safer place, it only costs the government more money which in turn costs the tax payer more money and also gives them a way to collect additional revenue from the tax payer who does not run a front plate.

And yes, because another province adopted a good idea we SHOULD follow suite. Save a lot of money, appease many people....seems like a good idea to me and if that is the case then yes, BC should adopt these practices.

I call the cops numerous times about these kids. No one EVER shows up. It happens 1 or more times a week. My point in saying this is these drives pose a SAFETY risk and are causing DAMAGE to property. This is what the police should be doing, stopping people from doing things that are unsafe and damaging. No front plate poses no safety risk and no damage to anyone.
As for going to court regarding this, no problem. I have quite the collection of videos of these clowns for this exact reason.
You seem to assume a lot with no backing for anything you keep saying. I do know if the police show up....I live right across the street from this....I have eyes that can see. Sure, maybe one time they have more important things to do but these people pose a safety risk to everyone in the vicinity, this IS a high priority call. Unless someone is being shot/raped/harmed then they need to DO THERE JOB and deal with these people. Its not my job to stop this from happening, nor is is my job to go to court.

You make many invalid points, with no backing other than person opinion....if you wish to retort and continue this please do so with something factual. You claim that the front plate helps with crime. Can you provide any evidence to back your claims or is this assumption on your part? When is the last time a bad driver was pulled over and a witness was needed to back the cops ticket that was issued?

From your profile, I am going to assume you live in Vancouver. If that's accurate then I wouldn't be surprised if the cops didn't show up to your call. I can imagine how busy the cops are dealing with drunks, domestic assaults, robberies, break and enters, all of which are higher priority calls than a traffic incident/disturbance that could potentially damage property, or worst case the idiot drivers themselves. The police don't ignore calls because they are lazy, they attend calls according to priority. If you lived in Richmond and made the same complaint, I assure you it would be dealt with sooner, as the two cities have carry different call loads and priority calls.

I don't agree that not having a front licence plate is not advantageous. Does enforcing a front plate have the same direct effect in driver safety than catching a car that ran a red lighter excessively speeds? No. But having a front plate has its advantages. As I already mentioned, it assists cars from being identified. Whether the car is stolen or is involved in crimes or even a car that's excessively speeding causing a hazard.

The people I see being happy with no front plate seems to be the ones more concerned about esthetics of their car than saving people money.

[Lomac]

It seems as though you are not grasping what is being said so I will take one last try at this.

No one is debating that no front plate is illegal in BC. That is not what anyone is saying. What is being said is the whole concept of a front plate is pointless. It does NOTHING to make the roads a safer place, it only costs the government more money which in turn costs the tax payer more money and also gives them a way to collect additional revenue from the tax payer who does not run a front plate.

And yes, because another province adopted a good idea we SHOULD follow suite. Save a lot of money, appease many people....seems like a good idea to me and if that is the case then yes, BC should adopt these practices.

I call the cops numerous times about these kids. No one EVER shows up. It happens 1 or more times a week. My point in saying this is these drives pose a SAFETY risk and are causing DAMAGE to property. This is what the police should be doing, stopping people from doing things that are unsafe and damaging. No front plate poses no safety risk and no damage to anyone.
As for going to court regarding this, no problem. I have quite the collection of videos of these clowns for this exact reason.
You seem to assume a lot with no backing for anything you keep saying. I do know if the police show up....I live right across the street from this....I have eyes that can see. Sure, maybe one time they have more important things to do but these people pose a safety risk to everyone in the vicinity, this IS a high priority call. Unless someone is being shot/raped/harmed then they need to DO THERE JOB and deal with these people. Its not my job to stop this from happening, nor is is my job to go to court.

You make many invalid points, with no backing other than person opinion....if you wish to retort and continue this please do so with something factual. You claim that the front plate helps with crime. Can you provide any evidence to back your claims or is this assumption on your part? When is the last time a bad driver was pulled over and a witness was needed to back the cops ticket that was issued?

Realistically the only people the government would be appeasing by getting rid of the front plate are those of us who would rather have the clean look up front than run an ID tag and ruin the lines. The general public doesn't care.

I'm going to quote from another site I frequent where an officer was asked this question:
Seriously? As front plates are not required and two plates are not issued on vehicles registered and licensed in the State of NC, I do not know the registeration of a plate w/o viewing it from the rear. When responding to calls where a plate is given, one must maneuver in such a way as to see the plate on the rear of the vehicle as it goes past you. This can become rather difficult when the vehicle is traveling in the opposite direction. In addition, while scanning cars parked in residential PVAs, which are often backed into spaces in most of our city's housing projects, it requires Officers to get out and read a plate instead of proficiently scanning plates to find a stolen vehicle, vehicle of interest, etc. In a third example, vehicle description and license plate are occassionally required when serving a search warrant on a home. Having to go secret squirrel to read the plate of a vehicle parked up to a house can also be time consuming as well as risk tipping off residents inside the home (which is often why, if this is the case, I merely skip the tag and articulate differently). Those are three examples I frequently deal with. Time is of the essence in many situations LEO face; were front plates required in this state, it would make some of our job functions easier.

[BoostedBB6]

From your profile, I am going to assume you live in Vancouver. If that's accurate then I wouldn't be surprised if the cops didn't show up to your call. I can imagine how busy the cops are dealing with drunks, domestic assaults, robberies, break and enters, all of which are higher priority calls than a traffic incident/disturbance that could potentially damage property, or worst case the idiot drivers themselves. The police don't ignore calls because they are lazy, they attend calls according to priority. If you lived in Richmond and made the same complaint, I assure you it would be dealt with sooner, as the two cities have carry different call loads and priority calls.

I don't agree that not having a front licence plate is not advantageous. Does enforcing a front plate have the same direct effect in driver safety than catching a car that ran a red lighter excessively speeds? No. But having a front plate has its advantages. As I already mentioned, it assists cars from being identified. Whether the car is stolen or is involved in crimes or even a car that's excessively speeding causing a hazard.

The people I see being happy with no front plate seems to be the ones more concerned about esthetics of their car than saving people money.

I agree with this 99.9%.
However, I do not live in Vancouver and I prefer to keep my exact location private (sound like a weirdo I know) but where I live car issues are very common and the police are more than happy to jump to it the majority of the time.
My biggest issues is these kids do this in a school parking lot. A parking lot that sees many young people pass through it during the day some some at night (school yard party'ers). I don't want to see people get hurt.

As for the no plate on the front, there are advantages to it of course, but $14million dollars worth? The people on here will not like them due to the asthetics of them on there cars, I agree with that totally but I also see other advantages of this that will effect every tax payer.

Regardless of all this banter, the fact of the matter is we have front plates, your cars have front plate mounting points....put the front plate in them and save yourself the worry of getting tagged for not having one.

[Speed2K]

According to stats can there are 3,236,166 registered vehicles in the province of BC.
Currently ICBC charges $18 for replacement plates if lost/stolen/ect.
Now lets say that we pay a 100% premium on the plates and it costs the BC government $9 to make 1 set of plates.
Thats $4.50 per plate to be made.

$4.50 x 3,236,166 = $14,562,747

So with a savings of 14.5 million on plates the province of BC could focus on some other things.....like additional police members to pull over the yellow Porsche Boxter that blew past me on the highway doping well over 200km/h and nearly took out my car in his abrupt lane change putting the life of myself, my wife and 2 kids at risk.


PS. Yes, being stats can the numbers may be off but even if the plates cost $1 to make and only half the registers vehicles have plates that's still a savings of $1,618,083. To generate that revenue from plate tickets at $109 each that's 14844 tickets that need to be issued.....ill take a guess but they have not issued that many for plates.

Lol, this makes no sense. :considered:

First off, the plates already on the cars are paid for. This is called a "sunk cost."

Secondly, you have it backwards; ICBC would be worse off by not selling the second plate. If ICBC sold the plates for $18 a pair ($9 each) and made a profit of $4.50 per plate sold, they would be forgoing $29million in revenue and (by your calculations) $14,562,747 in profit! Heck if they could, I'm sure ICBC would want to issue a third plate to us to generate even more revenue. IF we did not have to pay for our plates, yes, ICBC would be saving money. In reality ICBC passes the cost to us. If we only needed a single plate we, the consumers, would be saving $9 each time we changed plates or get a new one.

[Spidey]

I agree with this 99.9%.
However, I do not live in Vancouver and I prefer to keep my exact location private (sound like a weirdo I know) but where I live car issues are very common and the police are more than happy to jump to it the majority of the time.
My biggest issues is these kids do this in a school parking lot. A parking lot that sees many young people pass through it during the day some some at night (school yard party'ers). I don't want to see people get hurt.

As for the no plate on the front, there are advantages to it of course, but $14million dollars worth? The people on here will not like them due to the asthetics of them on there cars, I agree with that totally but I also see other advantages of this that will effect every tax payer.

Regardless of all this banter, the fact of the matter is we have front plates, your cars have front plate mounting points....put the front plate in them and save yourself the worry of getting tagged for not having one.

The thing is though, you don't know everything behind their reason for having a front plate. I don't disagree that ICBc may be making money as that is what they do. But charging people for lost or stolen plates prevents most people from;

Keeping the plates
Switching plates when they get tickets from private lots
And whatever other reasons people may have for not returning or trying to scam whatever system

The biggest pro, IMO, is being able to identify a vehicle from both the front and the back. I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure majority of the provinces require front and rear plates. Just because Alberta does it one way, doesn't mean we should. Heck, it's the home of flames and oilers for jeebssake!:fullofwin:

[brute_4s]

I believe the cop telling you that your fine will be 500 or something is a slight warning that your next offense will result in a vehicle inspection. My uncle owns a shop in Richmond and has had to do vehicle inspections which have stemmed from improper front license plate mounting. And I believe that a vehicle inspection costs somewhere in the range of 500 dollars.

Why not just mount the front plate. Why do ppl think it's such an eyesore. Same thing ppl said about seatbelts being uncomfortable...eventually everybody got used to them.

[Brad Fuel]

The OP probably received a box 3 Notice and Order to fix the problem ie front licence plate. The next ticket would be Fail to Comply with Order which is $598.
This is totally separate from no front plate ticket which could have been issued on top of the Notice and Order.

http://www.drivesmartbc.ca/traffic-tickets/notice-order-3


As for the cost of having a front plate: This would probably not show up in the stats but how many hit and run accidents are there a day? Lots I bet. How many suspect vehicles are identified by the front plate? Half maybe. And assuming those suspects are found at fault then yes those savings are passed on to everyone else in the form of keeping our insurance rates reasonable. I would like to think the suspect is paying out for those collisions.

[meme405]

Lol, this makes no sense. :considered:

First off, the plates already on the cars are paid for. This is called a "sunk cost."

Secondly, you have it backwards; ICBC would be worse off by not selling the second plate. If ICBC sold the plates for $18 a pair ($9 each) and made a profit of $4.50 per plate sold, they would be forgoing $29million in revenue and (by your calculations) $14,562,747 in profit! Heck if they could, I'm sure ICBC would want to issue a third plate to us to generate even more revenue. IF we did not have to pay for our plates, yes, ICBC would be saving money. In reality ICBC passes the cost to us. If we only needed a single plate we, the consumers, would be saving $9 each time we changed plates or get a new one.

THANK YOU!

I explained this twice to him, but boosted wouldnt understand. WE PAY FOR THE DAMN PLATES. ICBC doesnt save shit, or make any extra money unless we pay the same $18 and they either A. pay less to have one plate made, or B. if by an odd chance they actually make the plates themselves they save the cost of making the second plate.

I didnt even think about the fact that we pay a premium on the plate. I was only thinking about the cost of the plates themselves. ICBC doesn save shit on the cost of the plates unless we continue to pay the $18.

[jpark]

I believe the cop telling you that your fine will be 500 or something is a slight warning that your next offense will result in a vehicle inspection. My uncle owns a shop in Richmond and has had to do vehicle inspections which have stemmed from improper front license plate mounting. And I believe that a vehicle inspection costs somewhere in the range of 500 dollars.

Why not just mount the front plate. Why do ppl think it's such an eyesore. Same thing ppl said about seatbelts being uncomfortable...eventually everybody got used to them.

vehicle inspection is $500? where?