[CharlesInCharge]

RCMP investigating Alberta woman’s complaint against sheriff
Alberta woman handcuffed, sexually assulsed and beaten after police speeding stop - YouTube

“I am going to make justice happen,” she says. “No individual should be handcuffed and be beaten by the police. No woman should be handcuffed by the police and be sexually assaulted.”

UPDATE: RCMP investigating Camrose woman?s complaint against sheriff | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/772573/camrose-woman-accusing-alberta-sheriff-of-excessive-force-and-sexual-assault/)

Canada, the champion of human rights!

[quasi]

Charlie, I thought people who take what mainstream news media reports at face value are nothing but sheep?

LOL, I have no idea if this broad is a victim or just someone who didn't comply. If she is a victim bring on the justice, if she wasn't following commands from a police officer and resisting well shit happens.

[KingDeeCee]

“I am going to make justice happen,” she says. “No individual should be handcuffed and be beaten by the police. No woman should be handcuffed by the police and be sexually assaulted.”


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[CharlesInCharge]

Charlie, I thought people who take what mainstream news media reports at face value are nothing but sheep?

LOL, I have no idea if this broad is a victim or just someone who didn't comply. If she is a victim bring on the justice, if she wasn't following commands from a police officer and resisting well shit happens.
I would normally like to reply to your mainstream media comment but that would lead to the NWO, Illuminati, Zionist powers which would get me thread banned by the mods here.

She says she was handcuffed and beaten, common sense would concluded that a man could easily over power a handcuffed women.. but we'll wait for the police dash camera footage to emerge... if it every does.

[Traum]

I wish the lady good luck in filing the charges. But unless she has some sort of convincing proof that the incident occurred as she described it, it is going to come down to a matter of her words against that of the sheriff's. And in that case, the court will probably side with the sheriff instead of with her.

[CharlesInCharge]

I think I read she accuses the officer of slapping her tits, and has the bruise marks to show for it. Anyways a little women like that to be beaten so hard, look at her face.

[dinosaur]

I think I read she accuses the officer of slapping her tits, and has the bruise marks to show for it.

this is what really stuck out to me....seems like she has a legit case.

[GLOW]

right or wrong, but i feel her social position of having the title of "Dr" by her name might make the case more scrutinized and make more waves in media.

but wow from the pics she really got messed up

[melloman]

So she was speeding..
Window still up when officer approached?
Had cellphone in hand..
Then she refused to hand over her drivers license and insurance.


http://forums.finalgear.com/attachments/entertainment/the-dark-knight-rises/7391d1342622633-notsureifsrs.jpg

I get it that by the looks of her injuries it was pretty severe, yet there's no comments from the officer yet. Just a 1 sided story.
This coming from a guy who hates the police. I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

[quasi]

I would normally like to reply to your mainstream media comment but that would lead to the NWO, Illuminati, Zionist powers which would get me thread banned by the mods here.

She says she was handcuffed and beaten, common sense would concluded that a man could easily over power a handcuffed women.. but we'll wait for the police dash camera footage to emerge... if it every does.


She looks like she took a beating for sure. I'd like to see the dash cam footage as well. We can see her story I'm sure his is a lot different and the truth is somewhere in the middle. If he did purposely grope her he should be charged.

[Lomac]

Yeah... until we get both sides of the story (dash cam would be best), I'm gonna side with the cop. People love to make their side sound like they're completely innocent.

And as mentioned, why did she have her phone in her hand and why wasn't her window already rolled down? Whenever I get pulled over by a cop, I've already got my insurance papers and drivers license in hand by the time they get to my already rolled down window.

Any of you who've seen an episode of Cops knows that just because it's a small woman being pulled over, it doesn't mean they're any less abusive or whatnot to a police officer. I'm sure even if the cop happened to touch the woman's breast, chances are it was in the process of trying to pull her arm around or something. I doubt he actually tried to sexually assault her on the side of a road with other cars driving by...

[Gridlock]

Well, let's throw this through the ole logic litmus test and see what pops out.

1. Can I see a sheriff in Alberta approaching her car, rapping on the window heavily and be maybe a bit short on patience?

Yes.

2. Can I see a woman who admits the first thing she said to the police officer being a threat, "I get you x, when you stop doing y" being maybe not as cooperative as she could be?

Yes.

So already for me, the truth is going to land in the middle. Unfortunately, the image of the friendly neighborhood police officer is something that is getting lost in the past. I can see her throwing some attitude, him blowing some steam and the entire thing escalating out of hand. Did she need to be thrown on the ground and come away with cuts and bruises? Hell no. Was she completely innocent? Probably not.

Does anything happen to Officer Beatsme? At best a mandatory class on anger management.

[stewie]

agreed with lomac


watch a few episodes of cops, whenever someone hesitates or gets that "im not a criminal don't touch me" attitude and starts reaching into pockets to grab a phone or whatever and start squirming trying to talk there way out are the ones who usually are resisting arrest. im sure a lot of what happened could have easily been avoided if she just simply complied with the officer.

the bruises don't mean anything to me, shes small and petite. my gf can get a bruise from walking past a doorway and bumping her shoulder into the door frame where as others it takes significant damage to cause bruising.

but im still interested in seeing a dash cam or at least a voice recording of what happened.

[marksport]

When I've been pulled over by a cop, I usually roll the widows down, shut off the engine and stereo and put my hands on the steering wheel. When they ask for license and registration, I tell them I'm going to reach for the glove box and take it out. There have been a number of incidents of motorists nearly getting shot for going for the glove box before the officer is at your window. They don't know if you are getting out your papers or a weapon.

[Iceman-19]

A cop takes a few minutes to approach your vehicle because they are running your name and plate through the system. They know your history before they approach a vehicle. If you have a history of violence, you should use more caution as the cop is going to be on heightened alert because of your past. If you have no issues in the past, then you may notice how whenever you get pulled over, the cop is usually relaxed or casual, because they don't see you as a threat. 99% of the time you aren't, especially if you are not acting strange. If a cop approached my vehicle and started smashing on my window, would I roll it down? No, I would probably ask him to stop or I will call the police. Probably would not go well for me from there if he wants to continue that aggression, but just because he has a badge does not give him the right to act in that manor. As far as I can tell, unless she was found with a weapon on her and he stats she threatened to use it on him, I can not even begin to understand how he can justify that use of force, and I suspect he is going to get charged.

[AzNightmare]

When I've been pulled over by a cop, I usually roll the widows down, shut off the engine and stereo and put my hands on the steering wheel. When they ask for license and registration, I tell them I'm going to reach for the glove box and take it out. There have been a number of incidents of motorists nearly getting shot for going for the glove box before the officer is at your window. They don't know if you are getting out your papers or a weapon.

To add to that, I actually only leave the windows rolled down about half way.
Not sure if it makes a difference to keep that window barrier, but maybe the cop would feel more at ease knowing I can't easily make sudden physical contact.
If I have enough time, which I usually do, I get out my insurance papers ahead of time and leave them on the passenger seat while the cop is still in his vehicle looking up my information.

But yes, 2 things that are very important is to put both hands on the steering wheel (so the cop can see your hands), and shut off the engine, so the cop knows you're not going to suddenly dash off.

Never had to deal with an officer having a bad attitude, and also received some warnings instead of tickets.

[achiam]

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police! - YouTube

[sdubfid]

holy anchorwoman

[CharlesInCharge]

News site updated witness aftermath pictures
http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/blurred-1.jpg?w=670&h=465&crop=1
http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/blurred-2.jpg?w=670&h=462&crop=1

[Gridlock]

...as we just stand there looking at the bleeding woman we pulled over for speeding, not gunning down children.

[stewie]

A cop takes a few minutes to approach your vehicle because they are running your name and plate through the system. They know your history before they approach a vehicle. If you have a history of violence, you should use more caution as the cop is going to be on heightened alert because of your past. If you have no issues in the past, then you may notice how whenever you get pulled over, the cop is usually relaxed or casual, because they don't see you as a threat. 99% of the time you aren't, especially if you are not acting strange. If a cop approached my vehicle and started smashing on my window, would I roll it down? No, I would probably ask him to stop or I will call the police. Probably would not go well for me from there if he wants to continue that aggression, but just because he has a badge does not give him the right to act in that manor. As far as I can tell, unless she was found with a weapon on her and he stats she threatened to use it on him, I can not even begin to understand how he can justify that use of force, and I suspect he is going to get charged.


if you don't roll it down and ask/tell him to stop, would that be a ticket for failing to obey an officer or something? (ps I bet all the cop was doing was using his flashlight to knock on the window..)

in an officers defence, im sure they go through that same scenario non stop, sometimes it has happy endings, sometimes they don't. im sure hes just doing what he needs to do to make sure that he is safe. if I were a cop and someone wasn't obeying me i'd be a bit suspicious as to what this person is up to, and at that point I probably would want to have them come out of the car just to make sure they don't have anything on them. if they get all antsy id probably try to just detain them in cuffs until I can figure out whats going on and why they're acting out..if they want to get all jumpy and antsy again while trying to detain them, id probably want to throw them to the ground as well, get them in cuffs, then at least have a chance to talk to them without them being able to run away and squirm etc. tell them what they did, give them the ticket, let them be on their way.

couldn't care less if it was a 15 year old boy or a 65 year old woman, ive watched to serve and protect a million times and I constantly hear them ask "got any drugs, knives, guns, grenades, rocket launchers in the trunk, or anything that will stick me". they're just covering their own asses in safety.

[Iceman-19]

You can bet all you want, you weren't there. From the pictures, that cop is a fuck of a lot larger than the woman. If he perceives her as a threat, he should call for back up. Coming from a family of policing, size does not matter. There was a woman that worked at the squamish detachment that might have been 5'0, and took down a guy who was at least 6'4 and wielding an axe. There was no reason, other then she had a gun in her lap, or pulled a knife when she got out of the car, for that kind of force. Even then, its fucking excessive. SHE IS FUCKING TINY. IF A GROWN ASS COP WITH HAND TO HAND COMBAT TRAINING CAN NOT RESTRAIN A SMALL WOMAN, CALL FOR BACK UP OR APPLY FOR A JOB AT A GAS STATION.

[stewie]

You can bet all you want, you weren't there. From the pictures, that cop is a fuck of a lot larger than the woman. If he perceives her as a threat, he should call for back up. Coming from a family of policing, size does not matter. There was a woman that worked at the squamish detachment that might have been 5'0, and took down a guy who was at least 6'4 and wielding an axe. There was no reason, other then she had a gun in her lap, or pulled a knife when she got out of the car, for that kind of force. Even then, its fucking excessive. SHE IS FUCKING TINY. IF A GROWN ASS COP WITH HAND TO HAND COMBAT TRAINING CAN NOT RESTRAIN A SMALL WOMAN, CALL FOR BACK UP OR APPLY FOR A JOB AT A GAS STATION.

not saying he was in the right nor in the wrong, and im sure he could easily have used minimal force with her. but im pretty sure her squirming will only make him go harder. im sure you, even myself could have easily used minimal force to get her out, but as far as I know, shes a random stranger whos squirming, I don't know if she has HIV, and I don't know if during her squirming she might happen to bite me or spit in my face etc. and im sure as a hell not willing to find out the hard way.

[rsx]

I take off my shades when talking to a cop.

[dinosaur]

don't know if she has HIV, and I don't know if during her squirming she might happen to bite me or spit in my face etc. and im sure as a hell not willing to find out the hard way.

That is NOT how HIV is transmitted.

[NKC ONE]

For real, what constitutes a beat down from an officer? What is right and what is wrong? Regardless of what she did, what makes it right for a Sheriff to go full out on her resulting in numerous injuries and bruises? She could be wanted for murder and this type of violence wouldn't be necessary. Did she threaten with a gun or knife or any type of weapon? No amount of verbal threats I presume she made deserves any type of beat down. Its a fucking traffic violation.

[ScizzMoney]

From her face it looks like she could have pulled the wet noodle as soon as the officer touched her and hit her face on the pavement and there were rocks. My nephew fell off his stationary bike and had eerily similar scratches and marks on his face.

Possibility.

Won't speculate more until they show footage if they ever will. On the real though, I don't trust small women, especially small white women (call me racist), I swear they think they can get away with murder.

[Lomac]

Won't speculate more until they show footage if they ever will. On the real though, I don't trust small women, especially small white women (call me racist), I swear they think they can get away with murder.

:pokerface:
:suspicious:
:rukidding:

[stewie]

That is NOT how HIV is transmitted.

I wasn't saying that's how its transferred...I was saying I don't know if shes got hiv and has used needles on her, I don't know if her squirimg around if she'll try to get away and bite me, or if she'll attempt to spit in my face (which can be assault)

[xpl0sive]

i find it hard to think of a reason to beat up a woman, even if she was being aggressive/disrespectful/non-compliant. there are always other options than punching her in the face and throwing her on the ground. I bet that cop felt like a real tough guy doing that.

I can't believe you guys are sitting here finding reasons to justify the beating she took. I'm no feminist pussy, I too sometimes wish I could backhand a mouthy bitch, but I would never actually do it.

As far as cooperating with the cop, I was told by a lawyer that at a traffic stop, I only legally have to roll down my window enough to hand them my DL/insurance papers. I don't have to answer any questions/have my window rolled down/engine off, etc. Cops are not above the general public. They are paid to protect the public. But a lot of them act like they are above the law.

Too bad most of the time these investigations are handled by other cops, so chances of any actual legal "justice" happening in this case are slim. I hope this cop at least gets his ass handed to him by other cops in his detachment who still have enough sense to know that 99% of the time, it's wrong to beat a woman.

[Hehe]

It's too early to make the call as we are hearing 1-side story.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to understand that such excessive amount of force was required.

As a RCMP, getting verbal insult should be as regular as having a donut at tims due to their work environment. Losing your temper is very unprofessional as a RCMP if not down right dangerous to the public.

The lady might be acting up for her own benefit? sure. But from the pictures we can see and scenarios I can imagine, none of these should have happened in the first place if the RCMP kept it professional and maintained his cool.

[Brad Fuel]

The traffic stop was conducted by Alberta Sheriffs, not RCMP. In the province of Alberta, the Sheriffs also enforce their Highway Act. I believe criminal investigations are then turned over to RCMP or Police of jurisdiction. Sheriffs are Peace Officers, not Police Officers. Just clarifying because there seems to be a lot of misguided comments in here.

As for the pictures of her injuries on the video, it looks like it's all on one side of her face. Likely caused by being put to the ground. Even mouthy speeders aren't typically brought out of their car unless there is more to the investigation. Will need to hear the other half before making a personal opinion.

[Iceman-19]

Failed Hehe for his failure of reading comprehension. As Brad just stated, it was an Albertan Sheriff that stopped her, RCMP rolled up soon after.

[H.Specter]

BRB using imagination since no pics

http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/blurred-1.jpg?w=670&h=465&crop=1

[westopher]

As someone already said, all those injuries look like they were from one aggressive take down. Cuffed, grabbed, knee in the back of the knee, face to the ground. Bruises on chest, one side of face, legs, and arms.

[gdoh]

As someone already said, all those injuries look like they were from one aggressive take down. Cuffed, grabbed, knee in the back of the knee, face to the ground. Bruises on chest, one side of face, legs, and arms.

:derp:



yea i dont think she would be taken to the ground lightly after sitting in her car like an idiot with the windows up not complying to the cop for a simple ticket. I would like to see how this pans out once we hear the other side.

[westopher]

I fail to understand what you are trying to point out about my statement. When a cop is taking someone down from behind, they will slam their knee into the back of someone else's knee to cause it to buckle. She has bruises on the back of her knee. Should I draw a diagram?
:suspicious:

[gdoh]

i thought you were trying to say knee to the back of the head, like when they have you on the the ground to hold you there....

[Gridlock]

I'm thinking that a female in our country that maybe doesn't have a lot of experience in dealing with the police should never have to worry that she's going to get beaten when she's pulled over.

I've changed my mind, and come off the fence.

In fact, I'd like to think that really no one should come away from a police incident looking like this unless they are armed, and posing an imminent threat to police.

I think we're becoming blind, and numb to this type of stuff.

She was pulled over for speeding, and I'm sure being lippy as shit. Does that equate a beating? Are we ok with that? I think that equates a fat ticket and be sure to show up in court if she disputes it.

What I say is not a generalization in any way. The vast majority know their jobs well, and complete them with distinction daily. But also in general I say:

We need to be able to trust police again.

[westopher]

i thought you were trying to say knee to the back of the head, like when they have you on the the ground to hold you there....
Ugh I've been the recipient of that one. Just trying to make a point that, it wouldn't have taken a "beating and sexual assault" to explain the bruises, even though they are scattered throughout the body. Sheriffs in alberta have been know to be a bunch of overpaid over equipped mall security though, so one being a fucking spazzcase and over stepping its boundaries is not a far stretch. When authority figures are involved many people have real trouble looking at an incident objectively.

[Spidey]

if you don't roll it down and ask/tell him to stop, would that be a ticket for failing to obey an officer or something? (ps I bet all the cop was doing was using his flashlight to knock on the window..)

in an officers defence, im sure they go through that same scenario non stop, sometimes it has happy endings, sometimes they don't. im sure hes just doing what he needs to do to make sure that he is safe. if I were a cop and someone wasn't obeying me i'd be a bit suspicious as to what this person is up to, and at that point I probably would want to have them come out of the car just to make sure they don't have anything on them. if they get all antsy id probably try to just detain them in cuffs until I can figure out whats going on and why they're acting out..if they want to get all jumpy and antsy again while trying to detain them, id probably want to throw them to the ground as well, get them in cuffs, then at least have a chance to talk to them without them being able to run away and squirm etc. tell them what they did, give them the ticket, let them be on their way.

couldn't care less if it was a 15 year old boy or a 65 year old woman, ive watched to serve and protect a million times and I constantly hear them ask "got any drugs, knives, guns, grenades, rocket launchers in the trunk, or anything that will stick me". they're just covering their own asses in safety.

if you don't roll down the window, how are you supposed to hand over your driver's licence/insurance papers, and communicate with the Police? You do realize you can be fined under the MVA if you do not physically give the Officer your DL and insurance papers, right? Also, if you fail or refuse to identify yourself, it is considered Obstruction, which is a Criminal Code Offence. So now you have given the Officer grounds to arrest you for Obstruction. If you resist this arrest in any way (running, staying in your car like dead weight, etc), the Officer is allowed to use as much force needed, to apprehend you. So now that you know that, take your chances with a super patient officer, or one that does not put up with people who think they have more "rights" than they do.. and don't know the "rights" of the Officer. Be assured that you will only be ASKED a handful of times to do something before you are TOLD. If you still do not cooperate after being TOLD, you will be MADE to do so.

You can bet all you want, you weren't there. From the pictures, that cop is a fuck of a lot larger than the woman. If he perceives her as a threat, he should call for back up. Coming from a family of policing, size does not matter. There was a woman that worked at the squamish detachment that might have been 5'0, and took down a guy who was at least 6'4 and wielding an axe. There was no reason, other then she had a gun in her lap, or pulled a knife when she got out of the car, for that kind of force. Even then, its fucking excessive. SHE IS FUCKING TINY. IF A GROWN ASS COP WITH HAND TO HAND COMBAT TRAINING CAN NOT RESTRAIN A SMALL WOMAN, CALL FOR BACK UP OR APPLY FOR A JOB AT A GAS STATION.

Having family members that were Officers, you should also realize that force is not used ONLY because there are weapons involved. The statement you made regarding the 5'0 officer taking down the 6'4 male contradicts your statement regarding the driver being much smaller than the cop. You don't know if backup was called or not. You also probably don't realize in small towns, back up can be hours away.

not saying he was in the right nor in the wrong, and im sure he could easily have used minimal force with her. but im pretty sure her squirming will only make him go harder. im sure you, even myself could have easily used minimal force to get her out, but as far as I know, shes a random stranger whos squirming, I don't know if she has HIV, and I don't know if during her squirming she might happen to bite me or spit in my face etc. and im sure as a hell not willing to find out the hard way.

I am pretty sure you don't know what the hell you are talking about when you keep saying you are pretty sure you could have done this and that. I would like to watch you attempt to get a female who is 5'0 100lbs out of a vehicle who is motivated NOT to come out, possibly kicking and screaming with a seatbelt on.

It's too early to make the call as we are hearing 1-side story.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to understand that such excessive amount of force was required.

As a RCMP, getting verbal insult should be as regular as having a donut at tims due to their work environment. Losing your temper is very unprofessional as a RCMP if not down right dangerous to the public.

The lady might be acting up for her own benefit? sure. But from the pictures we can see and scenarios I can imagine, none of these should have happened in the first place if the RCMP kept it professional and maintained his cool.

You stating the force was excessive means you have all the evidence, and made that conclusion from all the available information, correct? So you must know something we don't know..... Please tell me how you got to this conclusion? From pictures and her side of the story? Ever heard of he said she said?

As Brad mentioned, it wasn't the RCMP. Secondly, you don't even know how she got those injuries. If she was resisting the whole time, it is likely she got slammed to the ground before she was handcuffed, which depending on the situation, is not excessive. It's an unfortunate outcome to an apprehension. Lastly, none of this would have happened, if the driver maintained HER cool, and obeyed directions.

[Spidey]

I'm thinking that a female in our country that maybe doesn't have a lot of experience in dealing with the police should never have to worry that she's going to get beaten when she's pulled over.

I've changed my mind, and come off the fence.

In fact, I'd like to think that really no one should come away from a police incident looking like this unless they are armed, and posing an imminent threat to police.

I think we're becoming blind, and numb to this type of stuff.

She was pulled over for speeding, and I'm sure being lippy as shit. Does that equate a beating? Are we ok with that? I think that equates a fat ticket and be sure to show up in court if she disputes it.

What I say is not a generalization in any way. The vast majority know their jobs well, and complete them with distinction daily. But also in general I say:

We need to be able to trust police again.

What's in bold may be your personal opinion, but that is not reality, or how Police are trained.

[Anjew]

She was pulled over for speeding, and I'm sure being lippy as shit. Does that equate a beating? Are we ok with that? I think that equates a fat ticket and be sure to show up in court if she disputes it.


when someone is resists to comply with the officers requests, what message does that send to the officer?

If you were the officer asking for identification and the person resists, then what? give them a ticket?

also the term 'beating' is highly exaggerated which was used in the one sided story. Obviously she wasn't 'Beaten' but sustained injuries from being restrained.

[Anjew]

I don't trust small women, especially small white women (call me racist), I swear they think they can get away with murder.

lippy bitches come in all races and sizes.

[stewie]

I am pretty sure you don't know what the hell you are talking about when you keep saying you are pretty sure you could have done this and that. I would like to watch you attempt to get a female who is 5'0 100lbs out of a vehicle who is motivated NOT to come out, possibly kicking and screaming with a seatbelt on.

sure, put me in an officers uniform, watch me. she squirms and is not motivated to come out and comply, that's when I pull out mr electrical and pump a few volts in her for 5 seconds. if she doesn't learn from the first shock, she'll definitely learn from the second.

[westopher]

Because that would likely go over well. You seem to have very little grasp on what is being discussed here and why. Although I guess you wouldn't need to have an irrational fear over catching HIV through a taser.
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[GLOW]

i thought stewie's last post was sarcastic

[stewie]

it would go over well. she resists arrest, she deserves whats coming to her. plain and fucking simple. if people want to step and say "you cant do this to me!!! your here to protect and serve the public, I pay your taxes" etc etc... pull your heads out of your asses cause its quite simple...it really is....if an officer asks for your id and insurance on a routine traffic stop...you give it to him...you don't demand that he stops tapping on your window before you hand it over to him.

ps - where the fuck are you retards getting that I claimed I can get hiv through spit and a bite???? RE READ that post, in no way did I claim that her having hiv and biting me or spitting in my face is anyway what so ever a way that I could catch the disease...one person jumped the gun and claimed my post implied that...well guess what....it didn't...but your right, I shouldn't have an irrational fear of catching HIV through a taser...I might as well stay 20 ft from her and talk to her through a megaphone...cause you know...that shit is fuckin airborne!

:thumbsup:

[xpl0sive]

if you don't roll down the window, how are you supposed to hand over your driver's licence/insurance papers, and communicate with the Police? You do realize you can be fined under the MVA if you do not physically give the Officer your DL and insurance papers, right? Also, if you fail or refuse to identify yourself, it is considered Obstruction, which is a Criminal Code Offence. So now you have given the Officer grounds to arrest you for Obstruction. If you resist this arrest in any way (running, staying in your car like dead weight, etc), the Officer is allowed to use as much force needed, to apprehend you. So now that you know that, take your chances with a super patient officer, or one that does not put up with people who think they have more "rights" than they do.. and don't know the "rights" of the Officer. Be assured that you will only be ASKED a handful of times to do something before you are TOLD. If you still do not cooperate after being TOLD, you will be MADE to do so.



you might want to re-read what my post said. you even quoted it.... i said you have to roll the window down enough to give them your DL/insurance papers.

[jimmyrustler]

isnt the proper procedure to shoot then tase her?

[Gridlock]

when someone is resists to comply with the officers requests, what message does that send to the officer?

If you were the officer asking for identification and the person resists, then what? give them a ticket?

also the term 'beating' is highly exaggerated which was used in the one sided story. Obviously she wasn't 'Beaten' but sustained injuries from being restrained.

Well then dude, how about I cuff you, and I'll "restrain" you upside the head a few times and see how you feel on the terminology.

Injuries from being restrained should not leave that level of bruises.

As I said, I'm sure she was being llippy(she admitted that) but we don't assign the rights to a police officer to punish people roadside.

[stewie]

So if someone is acting completely out of control, being lippy and what not, refusing to obey orders, are the police officers there to just say "have a good day ma'am, I'll mail you this ticket"?

Arresting is a form of punishment, the person was bad, now they're being taken in to get processed. If she was resisting arrest and ignoring what an officer was asking her to do, what form of action is the officer to do? Stand there while some lady has a mini temper tantrum?

Gridlock, what would you do if you were the officer, and I was the dentist in this exact scenario? You want my ID/reg, and I get lippy and tell you I won't comply until you stop tapping on my window, and even when you do, im still going to be lippy and te you how you shouldnt treat my property like that, and from there I get even more lippy and in the event you asked me to step out of the car due to the fact that I'm not complying. What would your next course of action be?

I'm now out of the car, and slightly resisting arrest just to the point where it's not needed to tackle me to the floor and tase me(yet) but could easily get to that point through the next 30 seconds of your actions.

I know you'd call back up just as much as I would, but back up won't be there for 5-10 min and you've got a pissed off person infront of you who isn't complying with you.


What do you do?

(If I do get tackled and I squirm and you need to use even more force to control me and i keep slipping out of your grips, and I leave just as banged up as her, is it my fault for being an asshat, or your fault for using way to much force on me)

(This isn't an I think your a retard post, I'm just curious as to what you would have done)
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[MarkyMark]

Unless that lady actually started hitting him first I don't see how that cop can go home and feel like he did a good job that day. Sorry but if you're a cop and you can't restrain a small woman without slamming her face into the ground with considerable force maybe you should find another career. It's one thing to be trained a certain way and another to assess that you're probably a lot stronger than certain individuals and maybe you don't need to treat everyone like a juiced up biker who has AIDS and teeth like a Great White.

But i'm sure any video will show that his life was in grave danger.

[westopher]

As has been said, try taking down a flailing individual to cuff them and be gentle about it. Its not happening. Concrete is fucking hard, and hitting it with even a little bit of force will bang you up. I've been taken down by a cop before, and the fact is they are trying to be quick, and minimize any possible threat an irate suspect can cause. Fast and lightly don't go together. If she actually needed to be arrested as such is the suspicious part here, but if for any reason she did resist arrest, she deserves to be taken down as any non-petite female dentist.

[Anjew]

i'm not going to defend the officer because frankly we dont really know exactly what happened. However i agree that excessive force is definitely uncalled for in these situations. Hopefully dash cam evidence is available.

there are however some points that are really interesting.

1. why is her window still fully up when it is clearly a checkpoint? the officer probably didn't even hear her tell him to stop banging on the window since its still up...
2. why is she still on the phone while the officer is clearly asking her for ID or asking her to get out?
3. why didnt she just provide the ID??
4. when officers have to resort to use force to remove a subject from their vehicle, i cant help but to profile that individual in a certain way.

[stewie]

I don't think race, gender, or size should even be a factor in these cases.

It's plain and simple, there's an easy way, or a hard way. By the sounds of it, she went the hard way.
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[DragonChi]

Race might be a factor, by the sounds of her accent. Maybe in her country; police are corrupt and she was calling 911 to verify the cops badge.

There's a shit ton of things that could have happened here, and I highly doubt the police would release the dash cam since it would most likely damage their case.

If this was a small man, would you feel the same way? Or just because she's a woman she gets special rights.

[stewie]

If this was a small man, would you feel the same way? Or just because she's a woman she gets special rights.

That was my thought not to long ago.

If it was a male dentist and a female cop had to take him down he'd probably be in jail for assault on a police officer due to his elbow grazing her face on the way to the pavement lol

Remember that bus driver video where the lady is screaming at him and he uppercuts her and tells her if she's gonna act like a man he's gonna treat her like one.
Funny how everyone on here was saying "bitch had it coming to her", yet this case it's all "force wasn't needed" "he shouldn't have done what he did" etc...
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[Anjew]

Race might be a factor, by the sounds of her accent. Maybe in her country; police are corrupt and she was calling 911 to verify the cops badge.

if that was what really happened wouldn't she have said that in her completely one sided news interview?

corrupt or not, in which country do you think being resistant in a road check is the smart thing to do?

[Spidey]

you might want to re-read what my post said. you even quoted it.... i said you have to roll the window down enough to give them your DL/insurance papers.

you are right, I misread your post or may have read someone elses and quoted your post by accident... or at least my first quote of "stewie" that you are claiming you posted.

Well then dude, how about I cuff you, and I'll "restrain" you upside the head a few times and see how you feel on the terminology.

Injuries from being restrained should not leave that level of bruises.

As I said, I'm sure she was being llippy(she admitted that) but we don't assign the rights to a police officer to punish people roadside.

some people bruise easily. I am not saying that is what happened in this case, but bruises may or may not be indicative of the level of injuries sustained. And where the hell is the Sexual Assault??? Good job again by the media. I don't even remember her saying she was Sexually Assaulted in the clip.

If she was handcuffed and was still kicking and screaming, and was taken down while cuffed due to her erratic behaviour, there is a high likelihood she will hand on her chest/face as her arms are behind her back.

[DragonChi]

if that was what really happened wouldn't she have said that in her completely one sided news interview?

corrupt or not, in which country do you think being resistant in a road check is the smart thing to do?

It would make sense, but after coming out of a scuffle with a cop looking like that, a lot of things don't make sense. In other words, she should have but she might not be thinking clearly.

Mexico, Arabic countries where women aren't even allow to drive, Rhwanda in 1994 if your a Tutsis (let alone being a women), are some countries that come to mind. I wouldn't even stop, I'd keep driving till I found a very public place.

[Gridlock]

On revscene, I find people to be either-complacent to the point of being apologetic OR CiC level question gravity as a method of government suppression type.

I'm not saying either one is good or bad, but a curious thing.

There doesn't seem to be a middle ground where this particular police officer may be a dick. It IS possible. He just maybe had a bad day and threw her to the ground to shut her up.

[sdubfid]

Tibu told him she would not produce her license and registration if he continued to hit her car.

She says she also told him she would begin filming him on her phone if he hit the car again.

Sounds like poking a bear with a stick and complaining if it bites back. I wasn't there so I don't know what happened. Who knows maybe they had a disagreement on the definition of "cavity" search.

[Anjew]

Tibu told him she would not produce her license and registration if he continued to hit her car.

She says she also told him she would begin filming him on her phone if he hit the car again.

Sounds like poking a bear with a stick and complaining if it bites back. I wasn't there so I don't know what happened. Who knows maybe they had a disagreement on the definition of "cavity" search.

exactly, based on the accounts that she herself provided, you cant classify her as a typical 'i'm new in your country or customs" that many of you are putting her out to be.

Since you guys are big on assumptions, i'm going to assume the officer being on a busy and loud roadstop didn't hear a thing she said through her rolled up windows.

@dragonchii nice stretch there based on her accent i guess. You assumed she is new in the country because of that? ignoring the facts like how she is a practicing professional in our country, has a drivers license, threatening to video tape police. None of which supports any of your examples. she had enough time to familiarize herself with our customs as evident by her threat to video tape police...


i'm not defending unjustified aggression especially from people that we have charged to protect us and our families but i have encountered enough of her types to not blatantly assume innocence.

[DragonChi]

I said 'could be new to the country', I didn't say she was. It was hypothesis on why she was being so adamant.

OK, some facts I do know, at the BCDL, there are tests that aren't even presented in Canadian official languages. So how familiar do you have to be to not even speak our language to get a DL?

Assuming that she did know our customs are rolled down the windows a tiny crack to give registration and DL, how did it escalate to a physical encounter? There's a good chance she got out of her car. Even in my experience, cops don't like it when you do that.

[xpl0sive]

did anyone actually read the story that's posted?

Quoted:

Tibu claims the sheriff violently hit her window. When she opened it, he asked her to hand over her drivers license and insurance information.

“I advised him I would do so if he stopped hitting my car.”

Tibu also told him that if he didn’t, she would record him on her phone.

“At that moment, he became very violent. He took his hands through my window, hit my right hand, where I have bruises on it, smashed my cell phone out of my hands, and told me… ‘Get out of your car now.’”


clearly she had her window open. sounds like the cop was hitting either a body panel or another window. she fucked up when she refused to identify herself by giving the cop her DL/Regi. she instead pulled out her phone and threatened to video tape the cop. that's when things escalated and the cop told her to get out of the car and put her in handcuffs and slammed her to the ground.

from the story that's available, sounds like excessive force by the cop. I'm still trying to think of a situation where his actions were appropriate. I can't think of a reason to put a lady face first on the pavement... but that's just me.

[Spidey]

did anyone actually read the story that's posted?

Quoted:

Tibu claims the sheriff violently hit her window. When she opened it, he asked her to hand over her drivers license and insurance information.

“I advised him I would do so if he stopped hitting my car.”

Tibu also told him that if he didn’t, she would record him on her phone.

“At that moment, he became very violent. He took his hands through my window, hit my right hand, where I have bruises on it, smashed my cell phone out of my hands, and told me… ‘Get out of your car now.’”


clearly she had her window open. sounds like the cop was hitting either a body panel or another window. she fucked up when she refused to identify herself by giving the cop her DL/Regi. she instead pulled out her phone and threatened to video tape the cop. that's when things escalated and the cop told her to get out of the car and put her in handcuffs and slammed her to the ground.

from the story that's available, sounds like excessive force by the cop. I'm still trying to think of a situation where his actions were appropriate. I can't think of a reason to put a lady face first on the pavement... but that's just me.

good conclusion made by the angle the media portrayed

[DragonChi]

Admittedly, I only watched the video.

After reading the article, that has also been updated. I'm interested in the results of the internal investigation after 1-2 weeks.

If the accounts of the woman are true, I hope the sheriff finds himself with jail time.

[Lomac]

did anyone actually read the story that's posted?

Quoted:

Tibu claims the sheriff violently hit her window. When she opened it, he asked her to hand over her drivers license and insurance information.

“I advised him I would do so if he stopped hitting my car.”

Tibu also told him that if he didn’t, she would record him on her phone.

“At that moment, he became very violent. He took his hands through my window, hit my right hand, where I have bruises on it, smashed my cell phone out of my hands, and told me… ‘Get out of your car now.’”


clearly she had her window open. sounds like the cop was hitting either a body panel or another window. she fucked up when she refused to identify herself by giving the cop her DL/Regi. she instead pulled out her phone and threatened to video tape the cop. that's when things escalated and the cop told her to get out of the car and put her in handcuffs and slammed her to the ground.

from the story that's available, sounds like excessive force by the cop. I'm still trying to think of a situation where his actions were appropriate. I can't think of a reason to put a lady face first on the pavement... but that's just me.

Coming from someone who used to work in the news industry, let me say one thing:

It's all in the way the author words an article. It's very easy to slip in specific words in order to sway a reader to think one thing when another word could have been just as easily used, but without the added emotion.

[Phil@rise]

Heres what I take from this story.
Sheriff pulls over speeder, sheriff takes his time in his car running the plate while doing so the speeder takes a cell phone call as such has her window rolled up and doesnt pay attention to the sheriff as he approaches the car. Sheriff is getting annoyed at the lack of attention and respect he and the situation is bein given and as such is rapping on the window to gain speeders attention. Words are exchanged roll down window gimmie papers bla bla bla. Sheriff requests she get out of the car yet speeder is still on the phone so sheriff ends that conversation by smacking the phone out of her hand. I'm sure more choice words were exchanged and probably some erratic behavior as well. Sheriff proceeds to restrain her using his reasonable force and cuffs. Speeder is not very stable on her feet when cuffed pushed against a car and disillusioned about her lack of what she thinks are her rights sqirmy and probably still lippy and guess what? She falls over with no hands to break her fall.
The rest you hear or read is her side of the story.
I may be wrong but I'm just filling in the blanks as I see they possibly are. Moral of the story, when a peace or police officer stop you for ANY reason give them your full undivided attention.

[Gwilo]

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[Gridlock]

when a peace or police officer stop you for ANY reason give them your full undivided attention.

Because its respectful? Sure.
Because its efficient? Absolutely
kind
friendly
quicker
envionmentally greener? Sure

But because we fear the police?
Abso-fucking-lutely not.

[Spidey]

Because its respectful? Sure.
Because its efficient? Absolutely
kind
friendly
quicker
envionmentally greener? Sure

But because we fear the police?
Abso-fucking-lutely not.

Because you did something wrong, to be detained during a traffic stop? yup

because if you don't comply by providing certain documents and answering specific questions it can be considered obstruction? yup

and if you still resist/prevent the police officer from performing his/her duties regarding their investigation could you be arrested? yup

and if you physically prevent the police officer from taking you into custody, the necessary force will be used to get you in cuffs? you damn well better believe it!