[El Bastardo]

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A Richmond woman who claims she was refused service because of her poor English is demanding two apologies from McDonald’s.

Hai Xia Sun says she ran into trouble Aug. 15 when the drink she was given was not what she ordered, and when she complained McDonald’s refused to serve her.

...
Zhao said his mother wants personal apologies from the manager and owner of the store at the corner of No. 3 Road and Granville, as well as general apologies to Canadians for their behaviour.

...

“The manager and the franchise owner have to apologize to my mother, and have to apologize to the Canadian people,” said Zhao. “This is not just about us, this is not just about Chinese Canadians. This is about how will Canada look on the world stage.

“This is about our Canadian image.”

Zhao, who was not with his mother at the time of the dispute, suggested McDonald’s hire Mandarin speakers to help out with Richmond’s population, in the same way Spanish speakers are recruited in California.

Sun said she has lived in Canada for 10 years, and speaks English at work, although it’s not her first language.


tl;dr: Woman lives in Canada for a decade, doesn't have the English necessary to properly order or communicate to a minimum wage worker at McDonalds, freaks out and now this is a human rights issue somehow. Also wants Mcdonalds to hire workers not based on their ability to do the work, but their ability to speak her language


'This is about our Canadian image': Richmond woman demands apology after fast food worker criticizes her English, asks her to leave (http://www.theprovince.com/news/This+about+Canadian+image+Richmond+woman+demands/8822443/story.html)

[bcedhk]

what does that sign on the left say? Respect? :badpokerface:

[murd0c]

I would really like to see what would happen if this went down in Australia!!

[StylinRed]

that mcdonalds is filled with chinese employees last i can remember
and never had a problem in mcdonalds in foreign countries even if they didnt speak a lick of english nor i theirs

wonder what really happened (since theres always 2 sides)




and making mountains out of mole hills is a chinese specialty

[Hondaracer]

Jesus Christ what makes the news these days
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[lowside67]

Arrrgh this shit pisses me off so fucking much. I am the first to support somebody's right to speak mandarin or any other language that they choose but that does not fucking equate to them being guaranteed the ability to conduct their entire life in that language. I hope this gets squashed ASAP, my tax dollars are paying to fight this nonsense.

Mark

[bcedhk]

+ the whole family looks like the whinny/complainer type.

She was probably bitching at the staff for the wrong order + long wait and then started spazzing in chinese.

[Iceman-19]

If they want to go to a McDicks that speaks their language, why don't they fly the fuck home and order from there. Stay there too. Canada is too fucking giving. Any other country would tell you to fly the fuck off. Canada? "OH SO SORRY WE ARE FULL OF APOLOGIZES WE WILL CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE YOU!"

[MindBomber]

I do not follow. Though Sun speaks English while at work and has spent a decade in Canada, she's not able to correctly order a basic drink? I'm shocked that mere through mere immersion she's gleaned so little English. The primary issue is not this point, so I digress.

McDonald's attempted to serve Sun and did not have success as the language barrier was too pronounced. In acknowledging that insurmountable barrier, McDonald's resigning the impossibility of serving Sun seems the only practical option. I do not understand this to be discrimination. I was similarly unsuccessful at speaking to a Punjabi speaking security guard recently, should I apologize to him?

[b0unce. [?]]

Womp Womp learn English
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[GLOW]

Sun said she has lived in Canada for 10 years, and speaks English at work, although it’s not her first language.

:suspicious: speaks english at work...but can't speak enough engrish to point at what mcd's meal she wants (or hold up the # with her FUCKING FINGERS) :Orly:

i love how she couldn't order at mcd's...but back when i used to work as a cashier when i was younger, a regular customer was mute...and i can't read sign...this dude bought all sorts of shit from me...cigs, lotto, scratch 'n wins, slurpees...really...it's not that hard to communicate a mcd's order is it?...:facepalm:

almost forgot...her response to the situation
http://i.imgur.com/ahSxB.gif

[murd0c]

Sun said she has lived in Canada for 10 years, and speaks English at work, although it’s not her first language.

The thing that really bothers me about this comment its like she's doing us a favour speaking english at work when its not her first language. When you come to a different country you have to adapt and not expect other people to adapt for you.

[Gridlock]

Sure thing!

Just as soon as all those pesky signs in Richmond have english on 'em.

[Gumby]

I am absolutely shocked to see that this happened in Richmond of all places.

[carisear]

I was similarly unsuccessful at speaking to a Punjabi speaking security guard recently, should I apologize to him?


No, you should apologize to him, his family, and all Canadians you disrespectful bastard. How dare you not know Punjabi??

[EmperorIS]

Oh get the fuck out of here fobs

hiring mandarin speakers to cater to ur shitty needs

fucking tell ur kids to pencil in on a note what u want and show it to the cashier.

Fucking my 80 year old grandma can order mcdonalds, she just puts up the amount of fingers corresponding to the meal number

[Gridlock]

Fucking my 80 year old grandma

On RS, commas are so cheap, they are almost free.

You should use them :)

[FerrariEnzo]

Not sure if its changed or not.. but Im sure English/French was the Nations Languages.. Sure Canada is multicultural, but that doesnt mean it must hire chinese speaking employess to cater to them...
I mean the lady lived here 10 years and cant even say Hot Chocolate and then makes a request that the company hires chinese speaking employees.. ridiculous..

But before we go further into accusing the lady, I think if there was a live interview she took and we were able to hear her english level, then can start bashing here again..

Another gripe I have.. Driver Licensing.. HAVE IT ONLY IN ENGLISH/FRENCH... if these people want to have their drivers license, they MUST beable to read the damn SIGNS!!! FFS

[mr_chin]

mcd customer service are pretty bad. some are intentional assholes, some just don't have the skill to multitask and/or memorize.

[Lomac]

Good thing she doesn't live in Quebec. :lol

Jesus Christ what makes the news these days
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I agree. I'm sure she would have had just as much success calling up McDonalds HQ (or, hell, simply driving to the Burnaby location) and submitting a formal complaint. There are way too many "Look at me!" people making a huge deal about something that is ultimately a minor incident, and the news media reporting on these events simply encourages others to follow suit.

[Sid Vicious]

man whata whiny bitch...its fucking mcdonalds

its dope how 99% of rs is asian (myself included) and we're all universal in the hatred of this frivolous bullshit

[MeowMeow]

Shit like this pisses me off.
When I went on vacay to Mexico and Cuba, i tried my best to learn Spanish.
Yes I know ppl at the resort speak pretty fluent English. But it's their country and my friends and I should respect their culture.
So I tried my best to speak super broken shitty Spanish. Always said please and thank you.
And this was when I was there for 7 days. I don't understand why it's so effing hard for ppl who lived here for a decade to fuck shit up like that.
My waitress one day gave me coffee with cream when I told her black coffee in Spanish. I could tell from her face she didn't really understand me but what was I supposed to do her English wasn't so good. So is it her fault that she couldn't understand my shitty Spanish when I'm in her country where English isn't their official language? No. I sucked it up said thank you and took the coffee anyways.

So suck it up. She made herself look like an idiot imo.

[ree666]

she probably ordered a diet cock.

[Not really racist!]

LOL.....my buddy is the restaurant manager there hahahaha
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[elwell]

if i was your buddy, i'd tell her to fuck off and go eat at yaohan

[Hondaracer]

like what kind of effort does it take to make this a story on their part?

i could get shit kicked by a Mc D's employee for returning a burger and i'd probably just shake it off and go home, yet from a misunderstanding over an order it's a reported story?

[Traum]

One common trait about Mainland Chinese is, a lot of them have this sense of entitlement that everyone else around them should cater to their inability to speak languages other than Mandarin. A lot of them also feel little incentive to learn languages other than Mandarin.

On the other hand, do you think the McD manager kicking her out stuff actually happened? Or was there some other sort of misunderstanding / back story behind it? It'd be nice to hear what the other side of the story is like...

[4444]

Two official languages, English and French. There are no requirements to do anything above and beyond that.

Now, I would certainly do everything I can to help her out as a human being with compassion, but to go and make this stink... Stupid.

If you come to Canada and try this shit on, there should be repercussions - did they not know Canada has two official languages before immigrating here? Yes, we're soft and allow large areas of non-English speakers, but that doesn't mean you should be able to demand it.

The arrogance of these people is infuriating.

[dinosaur]

I love that she bred a whole new generation of self-entitled pricks....this is the shit I really love to see parents teaching their kids.

Do you think he went out especially to buy a "CANADA" t-shirt?

Fuck, I hate people...

[Mike Oxbig]

immigrants these days think respect is given, they need to be gain it through proper manner first. :lol


An immigrant today at the bottle deposit depot was yelling, pointing and slamming the table thinking the people short changed him. :fuckthatshit:

[twitchyzero]

An immigrant today at the bottle deposit depot was yelling, pointing and slamming the table thinking the people short changed him. :fuckthatshit:

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would read again 10/10

[Yodamaster]

You're in Canada, bitch, employees at a goddamn McDonalds shouldn't have to be fluent in mandarin to cater to your lazy ass.

This is exactly why new immigrants need to prove they can speak basic english before they can move here.

[urrh]

fuck all of those entitled bitches.
stop trying to make my Canada your fucken china

also, privately owned business; mcdicks can refuse service to whoever they want

[knight604]

What the fuck is this kind of bullshit?

[tarobbt]

money does not buy class or respect, the faster you learn it over here the better :)
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[Retrac]

How are they trying to make this a charter challenge? The freedom to speak mandarin? The inability to have transactions in mandarin is some sort of discrimintation? No one is restricting the ability or right to speak mandarin, Mcdonalds is a privately owned business, dont like the service? Go somewhere else. This shit is so stupid, common sense is becoming some sort of super power.
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[Iceman-19]

They are just trying to get their 15 mins of fame, looking like idiots.

[therubberguard]

I demand an apology from them for not writing the sign in English. Do they expect everyone looking at that picture to read chinese? I understand "Respect" and "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" but wtf does that sign on the left say?

[DragonChi]

LOL... human rights freedoms issue. fuck off.

I say we send them to Syria.

[CP.AR]

This doesn't make Canada look bad, it makes all us Chinese look like snobs and little whiney bitches (which, admittedly, some are)

I have a feeling this lady did what most other "self entitled" mainlanders did. scream and yell because of one little problem. OMG YOU FORGOT MY DIET COCK YOU LAZY SON OF A BITCH YOU SHOULD LOSE YOUR JOB I DRIVE A MERCEDES BMW LEXUS M450h xDRIVE WITH LEATHER SEAT WORTH MORE THAN YOUR HOUSE OMG YOU LAZY YOU DESERVE TO DIE MY HOUSE WORTH 2 MIL AND MY HANDBAG WORTH 1K YOU WORTH LESS THAN ME GIVE ME MY DIET COCK WTF

shut the fuck up, you make us Asians look bad, like we are whiney little bitch ass snobs.
just shut the fuck up

/rant


anyways that sign on the left is something about "only if you come out and stand, would you be able to stand up"
:fulloffuck:

[StylinRed]

yeah her grammar in chinese seems really off to me too i thought it was just me though lol

[butter_sashimi]

I think it's a proverb of some kind so it won't sound totally right grammatically but there's a specific meaning it's going for.
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[fliptuner]

Can you imagine what a clusterfuck it would be if she ordered something at Subway?

[2damaxmr2]

Ror.

[Energy]

How are they trying to make this a charter challenge? The freedom to speak mandarin? The inability to have transactions in mandarin is some sort of discrimintation? No one is restricting the ability or right to speak mandarin, Mcdonalds is a privately owned business, dont like the service? Go somewhere else. This shit is so stupid, common sense is becoming some sort of super power.
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Yeah, I don't know how they plan on doing that. In general, the Charter only applies to the government and does not apply in a situation where you only have private, non-state actors.

[rsx]

Dumb cunt.

[stewie]

Arrrgh this shit pisses me off so fucking much. I am the first to support somebody's right to speak mandarin or any other language that they choose but that does not fucking equate to them being guaranteed the ability to conduct their entire life in that language. I hope this gets squashed ASAP, my tax dollars are paying to fight this nonsense.

Mark

I could care less what language they speak, but like I said in the sign thread, my cousins child had to be removed from the school he was at because he couldn't speak Chinese/mandarin. inside the class everyone could speak, but once the recess/lunch bell went, they all magically forgot how to speak English and made him an outcast.

If they want to go to a McDicks that speaks their language, why don't they fly the fuck home and order from there. Stay there too. Canada is too fucking giving. Any other country would tell you to fly the fuck off. Canada? "OH SO SORRY WE ARE FULL OF APOLOGIZES WE WILL CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE YOU!"

way to fucking giving...20 years from now English will be extinct in the lower mainland. makes me wish we were as strict as quebec was in the article about the girl being fired for not speaking French in the lunch room at grocery store.

The thing that really bothers me about this comment its like she's doing us a favour speaking english at work when its not her first language. When you come to a different country you have to adapt and not expect other people to adapt for you.

why should they adapt? I tried that argument many times on RS and every response I would get was "why should we adapt when we can get by without learning English". I believe in the Richmond sign thread I was told that I should learn Chinese so I can adapt to them and eat and order off a menu in Richmond. granted its a Chinese restaurant, I shouldn't have to have a translator to pick items off a menu when they don't have pictures or any English underneath.

fuck all of those entitled bitches.
stop trying to make my Canada your fucken china

also, privately owned business; mcdicks can refuse service to whoever they want

yup, they can refuse anyone they want. they should eat elsewhere. but to stop making your Canada their china is a joke, its to late for that.

wasn't it in Australia many years ago when a boat full of illegal immigrants was heading there, and once the prime minister found out he had the boat turn right around and told them to get the fuck out?

this country needs to grow some balls and set limits and to quit being a pussy government and say "oh you want to come to Canada? suuuure, as long as you have money you can do whatever you want here!!". no wonder half my friends want to move to the southern states.


I bet his Canada shirt still has the creases in it.

im surprised at the responses and how nobody has tried to defend her and call everyone else racist for saying we shouldn't accommodate to her lol.

[Jmac]

I could care less what language they speak, but like I said in the sign thread, my cousins child had to be removed from the school he was at because he couldn't speak Chinese/mandarin. inside the class everyone could speak, but once the recess/lunch bell went, they all magically forgot how to speak English and made him an outcast.



way to fucking giving...20 years from now English will be extinct in the lower mainland. makes me wish we were as strict as quebec was in the article about the girl being fired for not speaking French in the lunch room at grocery store.



why should they adapt? I tried that argument many times on RS and every response I would get was "why should we adapt when we can get by without learning English". I believe in the Richmond sign thread I was told that I should learn Chinese so I can adapt to them and eat and order off a menu in Richmond. granted its a Chinese restaurant, I shouldn't have to have a translator to pick items off a menu when they don't have pictures or any English underneath.



yup, they can refuse anyone they want. they should eat elsewhere. but to stop making your Canada their china is a joke, its to late for that.

wasn't it in Australia many years ago when a boat full of illegal immigrants was heading there, and once the prime minister found out he had the boat turn right around and told them to get the fuck out?

this country needs to grow some balls and set limits and to quit being a pussy government and say "oh you want to come to Canada? suuuure, as long as you have money you can do whatever you want here!!". no wonder half my friends want to move to the southern states.


I bet his Canada shirt still has the creases in it.

im surprised at the responses and how nobody has tried to defend her and call everyone else racist for saying we shouldn't accommodate to her lol.
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[therubberguard]

I heard from a friend that was at the location eating that they asked her to leave because she was causing a shitshow yelling in broken English and Chinese causing a scene. Guess they didn't mention that in the article. Probably a one sided story, would love to see the cameras from the incident.
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[stewie]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/349/990/304.gif

Lol was waiting for that!!
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[classified]

LOL @ mcdonolds incident being center stage for Canada...

[MG1]

I'm at the McD right now. Food tastes just like at any other McD's.

Wish woman was here right now..........I'd give her a swift kick.
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[bing]

Thread title is misleading probably because of the picture of the guy with the sign.

The Charter only applies to the government. This is potentially more like human rights tribunal issue.

[SkinnyPupp]

that mcdonalds is filled with chinese employees last i can remember
and never had a problem in mcdonalds in foreign countries even if they didnt speak a lick of english nor i theirs

wonder what really happened (since theres always 2 sides)




and making mountains out of mole hills is a chinese specialty
It's actually surprisingly difficult to order in HK Without knowing the Chinese names. Makes it tough because you gotta learn all the whacky names that aren't direct translations. Then You have the issue that they aren't expecting you to even know how to say it, so they immediately don't hear it. Quite often these poor kids give up before even taking an order. Also they use different measurements ... The Quarter Pounder is called "3 Full Taels" :lawl:

Probably would be different in the "white" neighbourhoods of course.

Easy in Japan since the names are all in English. But you gotta say it with a Japanese accent. You can't order a McDouble unless you say "makudaburu". First time I made the mistake of saying "mikudaburu" and they didn't get it.

[Soundy]

Fucking my 80 year old grandma ...

On RS, commas are so cheap, they are almost free.

You should use them :)
Yes, please do, before you ruin my dinner.... :yuno: :ahwow:

Edit: this was sigworthy, if you hadn't noticed...

[SpeedStars]

This is retarded. She could have easily pointed out the drink she wanted without saying a word of English. As people have previously said, all she is doing is overexaggeratting this *mistake*.
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[encomium]

Lol, someone who speaks French should:

1) Find out where she works
2) Go there speaking nothing but French
3) Make a scene when she doesn't understand what the fuck they're talking about
4) Go to the Newspapers demanding "RESPECT" and claim violation of human rights & freedoms on her ass
5) ???PROFIT???

[4444]

Lol, someone who speaks French should:

1) Find out where she works
2) Go there speaking nothing but French
3) Make a scene when she doesn't understand what the fuck they're talking about
4) Go to the Newspapers demanding "RESPECT" and claim violation of human rights & freedoms on her ass
5) ???PROFIT???

Ironically, in Canada, that is more of a news story than this, but would see not airtime or front page space in Vancouver.

Sometimes I really hate the people in this city - most are good, but there are too many of these kinds of idiots trolling around ruining it for the rest of us

[DragonChi]

How about you go to McDonalds, eat there, and say you support them, McDonalds, in this dispute. MG1 has the right idea :)

Put it on Facebook :)

[godwin]

Why don't the OP post on Vansky and see what they have to say? ;)

[ZN6]

Sun said she has lived in Canada for 10 years, and speaks English at work, although it’s not her first language.

Dafuq? 10 years here and she still can't point and call out a number or say "Want <blank>"? That is a useless human.

Someone unstupid this woman please or just send her back to where she can get a fuckin' 可口可乐 in her own language.

[Traum]

I heard from a friend that was at the location eating that they asked her to leave because she was causing a shitshow yelling in broken English and Chinese causing a scene. Guess they didn't mention that in the article. Probably a one sided story, would love to see the cameras from the incident.

I would not be surprised to see that kind of behaviour at all. As I was saying in my previous post, some (a lot?) of the Mainland Chinese have a serious entitlement problem. Additionally, the littlest thing could send them off into a bxtching fury (or even fist fights). I don't entirely blame them for having this behaviour because they have been pretty much conditioned into acting this way -- if you do not act all aggressive at the smallest thing back in China, you often don't get any service at all, and it is likely you'll get trampled on / taken advantage of all over by other more aggressive people.

But hey, Canada is not China. Keep that bs where it came from. The same behaviour is not acceptable here.

[Gucci Mane]

somebody should send her over to this nice, quaint little sandwich shop in port kells by the name of La Charcuterie Delicatessen. :fullofwin:

[Mr.HappySilp]

I always think of it this way, if I am moving to a new country then I would expect to communicate in that country offical language.

Beside is pretty hard to get hot chocolate and coffee mix up. Even then the ppl at McDonald's would just change it for you (I work at McDonalds before and trust they will change it for free if you ask). Most likely what happen is the Chinese girl drank almost all of it and then complain they give her the wrong order and want a free cup of coffee. The cashier was asking/looking for a manager for this and the girl got piss.

[Soundy]

OMG YOU FORGOT MY DIET COCK YOU LAZY SON OF A BITCH YOU SHOULD LOSE YOUR JOB I DRIVE A MERCEDES BMW LEXUS M450h xDRIVE WITH LEATHER SEAT WORTH MORE THAN YOUR HOUSE OMG YOU LAZY YOU DESERVE TO DIE MY HOUSE WORTH 2 MIL AND MY HANDBAG WORTH 1K YOU WORTH LESS THAN ME GIVE ME MY DIET COCK WTF

DIET COCK :lawl::lawl::lawl:

[Mr.HappySilp]

I would not be surprised to see that kind of behaviour at all. As I was saying in my previous post, some (a lot?) of the Mainland Chinese have a serious entitlement problem. Additionally, the littlest thing could send them off into a bxtching fury (or even fist fights). I don't entirely blame them for having this behaviour because they have been pretty much conditioned into acting this way -- if you do not act all aggressive at the smallest thing back in China, you often don't get any service at all, and it is likely you'll get trampled on / taken advantage of all over by other more aggressive people.

But hey, Canada is not China. Keep that bs where it came from. The same behaviour is not acceptable here.

You are right and not to mention they want everything cheap. So they want to pay 3rd world country price but gets serve as a 1st class passenger. Work as customer service and the most cheapest people I dealt with are all Chinese. Luckily I always try to speak English to them which makes them somewhat afraid to ask for deals coz they can't speak English.

[MG1]

somebody should send her over to this nice, quaint little sandwich shop in port kells by the name of La Charcuterie Delicatessen. :fullofwin:

Hahahahaha........ Sandwich Nazi. She'll get diet cock, for sure.

[Gucci Mane]

Hahahahaha........ Sandwich Nazi. She'll get diet cock, for sure.

more like a large cock with cheese. :awwyeah:

[Soundy]

This all reminds me of one of the funniest things I've witnessed in a long time: was doing a service call in a gas station... watched as a Chinese customer got into a shouting match with the brown GSA... both trying to speak English, both with a thick accent, neither understanding the other AT ALL... best part was, I could make out enough to realize, they were both saying exactly the same thing, they just didn't realize it... so they kept getting louder and louder until the customer stormed out :lawl:

[fliptuner]

somebody should send her over to this nice, quaint little sandwich shop in port kells by the name of La Charcuterie Delicatessen. :fullofwin:

He might use shavings off the special candle for certain, special customers, like her.

[dinosaur]

To those saying she should have just pointed.....fuck that shit.

Bitch been here for 10 years. She should have told the employee in either English or French what she wanted.

I am on irony overload with the daughter holding a sign in Chinese as well.

Its been a long week of dealing with idiots because of the full moon...this was the icing on the cake. STERILIZATION FOR ALL :fullofwin:

[godwin]

Actually I browsed through Vansky for crap and giggles just now.. it seems the story is a non story in the Chinese world. I guess we are being trolled.:okay:

[godwin]

Wow I think the mom would be really flattered because the one on the left is the mom and she is the one carrying the Chinese sign.


I am on irony overload with the daughter holding a sign in Chinese as well.

[dinosaur]

Wow I think the mom would be really flattered because the one on the left is the mom and she is the one carrying the Chinese sign.

whatevs....they all look the same :troll:

[slingblade]

6.

[preeeeluuude]

Useless troll account

[Soundy]

On a related note... actually saw this in Langley the other day: :troll:

https://dn-c360.qbox.me/ce5e69a509e852290c663c5bf6d37aba

[tarobbt]

I don't think she has a case in court. English and French are the official languages of Canada. Anything else a business does not have to serve you if you can't understand them. Anyone remember that annoying guy who demanded to speak in French on the airplane? He has done it many times in the past and won multiple human rights case.

But... you know she should have brought her son along everywhere she went, need a translator right? :troll:

[SumAznGuy]

whatevs....they all look the same :troll:

Really? :facepalm:

[Wykydtron]

Official language of BC is only English. Only place you can 'demand' French are gov't buildings if I'm not mistaken. Quebec is French, and New Brunswick is the only official bilingual province. How do people get citizenship if they can barely speak English? I don't get it! It boggles the mind.

[Drow]

6.

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[xilley]

whatevs....they all look the same :troll:

all fat people look the same too. jusss saying.

[Drow]

all fat people look the same too. jusss saying.
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[knight604]

^ this is going to be good.

[MG1]

I think we should rally around McD's on this one. Send a message to these fucktards that enough is enough. Canada is a great country to move to because of what it is. If you bring it down to how life was where you emmigrated from, then you are changing what Canada is. I fully support multiculturalism - celebrate the differences, but keep the core values that all Canadians believe in and enjoy, alone.

We really need to get these people to see the rest of this country......... go canoeing, go camping, go do what regular Canadians do. Stop living life as you did from wherever you came. If you want that kind of life... for fuck's sake, move back.

Most of us Canadians don't urinate or shit out in the open, spit on the sidewalk, throw tantrums, butt in front of the line, act all arrogant, I can go on and on.........

I feel sorry for the CBC, who's forefathers endured discrimination and injustices...... the Chinese here have built a good reputation over many generations...... only to have it wiped away by the actions of these recent immigrants.

To the stupid Chinese woman (so tempted to call her something else): Charter of Rights? Yeah, it's there for a reason and you totally missed the point......... now get the fuck out. You're the one who needs to apologize to the people of Canada!


I know what I'm saying goes beyond the language issue here, but I'm getting fed up with all this bullshit.

[T4RAWR]

all fat people look the same too. jusss saying.

:lawl:

[Iceman-19]

EDIT........

gotta keep calm.......

Y U EDIT. That was an excellent post.

[MG1]

Y U EDIT. That was an excellent post.

Well, I posted without really thinking too much about it......... a spur of the moment rant.


I put it back.

[vafanculo]

I believe the sign on the left says:

We want a settlement
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[$_$]

I'm all for speaking whatever language you want at the restaurant you own but this is fucking stupid. Mainlanders give the Chinese population such a reputation, and this happens all over the world. I blame the other idiot people "supporting" not painting this issue in a negative light. Saw a family of mainlanders shouting at airline in HK airport because they didn't make their flight because of the weather while everyone looked at them and laughed. They really need to deal with this immigration problem ASAP and not just base things on financial wealth but also education level. Sigh.

[snowfly]

I am Chinese and i feel that she really brings shame to the Chinese community...

My mom came here for almost a decade and doesn't speak English. She feels quite shameful not even knowing basic english.. she doesn't go around bitching and holding some stupid Chinese sign shit that talks about " standing up " and demanding Chinese speakers everywhere.

[Manic!]

Most of us Canadians don't urinate or shit out in the open,

The city of Nanaimo begs to differ. They just spent over 120K on a outdoor toilet so drunks would not piss on the street at night.

[MG1]

Difference is, they is drunk.

[Manic!]

Difference is, they is drunk.

So as long as your drunk it's OK?

[GLOW]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/cms/binary/8822444.jpg



you know what i realized about the pic?

mom & daughter are smart wearing sunglasses...the guy's gotta face everyone now that people can and will recognize him...noob

:lawl:

[68style]

Hah, not sure what happened here but there's always 2 sides to every story and where's her respect for learning the language of her now home country.

They ever try to be a white guy getting service or trying to ask a question at a shop in Yaohan or Parker Place??? I have, but I didn't stand in front of the stores (that don't have any English signs and clearly don't want my kind doing business with them) taking a picture of myself holding up a photocopy of the Charter when it didn't go so well for me.

Double standards yo.

[hopalong]

EVERYBODY speaks the language of McDonald's!!! :yuno:

McDonalds Canada Commercial - YouTube

[Mancini]

Maybe a guy at the counter should have asked her to service him. If she refused he could claim racism.
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[Roach]

Kudos to McDonald's Canada for not backing down. So often, organizations will change their stance on an issue in light of a public outcry. Glad this wasn't the case here. Their official statement:

McDonald's Canada and our local franchisee in Richmond, BC take allegations like this very seriously. We have now completed a full internal review of the situation and are very confident this issue stems from a very simple misunderstanding that was appropriately managed by our local restaurant staff. We regret that this customer was offended, but we want to be very clear these allegations do not reflect our restaurant practices or the long-standing history of inclusivity demonstrated by our franchisee, his management team and staff in the restaurant.

Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/23/hai-xia-sun-mcdonalds-richmond_n_3805867.html) article on the respone.

Kev

[Gululu]

you know what i realized about the pic?

mom & daughter are smart wearing sunglasses...the guy's gotta face everyone now that people can and will recognize him...noob

:lawl:

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.

[Soundy]

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.

Sounds like he's well on his way.

[bartone]

What if she ordered a pop there? and she was pissed off that she had to fill the drink up herself?

but IMO, the two women should lay off the McDs. The guy on the other hand, should eat there for a month straight.

[Soundy]

Maybe You Get Bad Customer Service Because You're a Bad Customer | Matt Walsh (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/bad-customer-service_b_3799574.html)

[Traum]

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.
Well... he is certainly starting off on the right foot. I hope his support of this baseless complain will be remembered for the rest of his political life. :lawl:

[MG1]

Wow, I hope he's not the one who suggested to mommy dearest to go full on retard. Pulling the Charter of Rights card...... you know what they say, "A little bit of knowledge can be a scary thing."
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[Traum]

^^ My guess is, that's exactly what happened. :failed:

[Soundy]

you know what i realized about the pic?

mom & daughter are smart wearing sunglasses...the guy's gotta face everyone now that people can and will recognize him...noob

:lawl:
C-lais are MORE recognizable in sunglasses...

[r4square]

Picture menu = problem solved. Even a mute can order with one of those around.

[GLOW]

Kudos to McDonald's Canada for not backing down. So often, organizations will change their stance on an issue in light of a public outcry. Glad this wasn't the case here. Their official statement:



Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/23/hai-xia-sun-mcdonalds-richmond_n_3805867.html) article on the respone.

Kev

http://replygif.net/i/159.gif

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.

:ohgodwhy:
http://backalleysoapbox.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/office-no.gif

[dbaz]

So shes been in country for 10 years, cant produce enough English to order at McDonalds, and then demands "respect". Maybe she should respect the country that let her immigrate and go learn one of the official languages that are offered for free to immigrants. Fucking lower mainland just keeps getting worse.

[VancouverG88]

Is this him?

Frank Yi Fang Zhao - Canada | LinkedIn (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/frank-yi-fang-zhao/25/94b/524)

[coolname]

maybe he should read the charter?

[Tapioca]

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.

Not all political science students become activists/politicians. Some just post on forums like Revscene for amusement and to provide a dose of reality.

- Signed a proud UBC Political Science alumni.

[GLOW]

Maybe she should respect the country that let her immigrate and go learn one of the official languages that are offered for free to immigrants. Fucking lower mainland just keeps getting worse.

where/since when is it free? my mom has been taking engrish courses at places like VCC for years paying out of her own pocket.

[SkinnyPupp]

The guy's name is Frank Zhao. currently a graduate political sci student at ubc... went to churchill for high school. the guys is gonna be a politician/activist for god sake.
Guarantee the is his idea 100%. This absolutely sounds like something an grad student would do, now that they are an 'expert' on their field of study.

[dbaz]

Local libraries run free esl programs, there are also free groups on meet up with ESL certified teachers.etc etc

[SkinnyPupp]

Local libraries run free esl programs, there are also free groups on meet up with ESL certified teachers.etc etc
There are also language exchange ads. People wanting to learn Chinese will be happy to trade their English by doing meet ups and conversing in either language. Warning: a lot of scumbags try to use this as a dating service.

[BaoTurbo]

Of course its wrong of the manager to do this but then again I'm pretty sure that McDonalds was right when she took it as an offence and misunderstood.

[SkinnyPupp]

Of course its wrong of the manager to do this but then again I'm pretty sure that McDonalds was right when she took it as an offence and misunderstood.
You can't say that the manager was wrong without knowing what happened. Most likely she was causing a scene and disturbing other patrons, which is when he asked her to leave. I can't say for sure either, but I wouldn't assume that she was peacefully trying to simply order a cold drink.

[68style]

The shortest common sense argument against their case is to look where this frickin McDonald's is located... I mean... half of their customers every single day probably don't speak English or at least have a very poor command of the language... and they just decided to single this lady out? Something's not right.

[Lomac]

I used to be a warehouse supervisor at a major retail store in Langley for a number of years. Occasionally I'd accidentally go out to the sales floor and help customers. There were a few times when I'd come across someone who's English wasn't very fluent, as many of our customers were EI's or Koreans. Despite the verbal communication barrier, we would still try to make each other understand what we were saying, whether it was through drawings or hand gestures. It'd get frustrating, as I'm sure they would occasionally feel the same way, but none of us would ever get outright angry and one another. A couple of customers were actually very pleased that I would take that extra time to figure out wtf they were trying to say, and they also said they felt embarrassed that they still didn't have a good enough grasp of the English language to properly get by without another family member with them. None of these customers felt that it was their right to demand someone in the store that spoke their language, as I know they all knew that they were in an English speaking country and were trying their best to get by.

As an aside, back when I was new, I was helping a couple with something. Being new, my knowledge wasn't the greatest and I had to ask for help from one of my coworkers. They started making insulting comments about me while speaking in French, obviously assuming I didn't speak it. Unfortunately for them, this was a time when I could still call myself fluently bilingual and understood every single word they were saying. So, I turned back around, spoke a few words in response (in French, of course) and smiled as they rushed out the door. Thankfully they never went to my manager as I may or may not have said a few things that would have gotten me fired ( :lol ) but the look on their faces were priceless and I had never seen someone leave a store so quickly in my life. lol. I'm not sure how that fits into this topic, but for some reason it reminded me of that incident.

[tarobbt]

You can't say that the manager was wrong without knowing what happened. Most likely she was causing a scene and disturbing other patrons, which is when he asked her to leave. I can't say for sure either, but I wouldn't assume that she was peacefully trying to simply order a cold drink.

Exactly, I would kick her ass to the curb too as would any other restaurant. Keeping your other patrons happy is more important than a selfish lady who sees that the world revolves around herself.

I'm sure if she asked nicely they would have given her a hot chocolate and apologized. I used to work in retail and I would always substitute a different product to nice people if we were sold out of something.

[vafanculo]

The shortest common sense argument against their case is to look where this frickin McDonald's is located... I mean... half of their customers every single day probably don't speak English or at least have a very poor command of the language... and they just decided to single this lady out? Something's not right.

I think that's why this happened in Richmond. I couldn't see this happening at a place like Langley, or even Vancouver. I'm not Chinese, but I bet a Chinese person living in Richmond can live their whole life there without the need for English. She probably got so accustomed to this she felt the extra sense of entitlement.
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[ae101]

i dont get this, my friend works at that McD & he been working for about a good 7 years or so

hes chinese & so are some of the co-workers that work there that i know, every time someone struggles with ordering in english there would always been a chinese worker to help

this looks like a fuck cheap way to get some money by playing the blood race card

[SkinnyPupp]

i dont get this, my friend works at that McD & he been working for about a good 7 years or so

hes chinese & so are some of the co-workers that work there that i know, every time someone struggles with ordering in english there would always been a chinese worker to help

this looks like a fuck cheap way to get some money by playing the blood race card
I was thinking there would probably be a few people there who speak cantonese, but I doubt she is from Hong Kong or is a local from Guangdong

[ae101]

I was thinking there would probably be a few people there who speak cantonese, but I doubt she is from Hong Kong or is a local from Guangdong

this woman speaks mandarin (coming from her name), i know at least 2 people that works there that speak mandarin

[SkinnyPupp]

this woman speaks mandarin (coming from her name), i know at least 2 people that works there that speak mandarin
You should ask why they or someone else didn't offer to help if they were there. Not that they have the 'responsibility' to do so, but why not right?

I've seen so many times where mainlanders pick fights with service providers in HK, because the providers don't speak mandarin, and the mandarin speakers are unwilling to learn or even work with them. Twice I have seen minibus drivers flat out kick passengers off the bus! (students both times) :lawl:

But if you overhear that there's a problem, why not help?

[EmperorIS]

I remember when I used to work at retail, some china aunties would come up to me asking me some shit in mandarin. I'd tell them I don't speak mandarin and they'd just walk off looking pissed and head held up high. Fuck is that all about?

[stewie]

But if you overhear that there's a problem, why not help?

its not someone elses shit to get into :p

bystander effect...someone else will deal with it :p

[Soundy]

There are also language exchange ads. People wanting to learn Chinese will be happy to trade their English by doing meet ups and conversing in either language. Warning: a lot of scumbags try to use this as a dating service.

Oh shit, NOW you tell me!

[ae101]

You should ask why they or someone else didn't offer to help if they were there. Not that they have the 'responsibility' to do so, but why not right?

I've seen so many times where mainlanders pick fights with service providers in HK, because the providers don't speak mandarin, and the mandarin speakers are unwilling to learn or even work with them. Twice I have seen minibus drivers flat out kick passengers off the bus! (students both times) :lawl:

But if you overhear that there's a problem, why not help?

i know u might fail me but im in china right now, my buddy told this happen as he works there but he cant tell me the whole story due to policy

[EmperorIS]

i know u might fail me but im in china right now, my buddy told this happen as he works there but he cant tell me the whole story due to policy

McDonald serious business.

[stewie]

McDonald serious business.

anyone there at the time?

will buy you a beverage similar to the one you asked for if you pipe up and tell the story

[SkinnyPupp]

i know u might fail me but im in china right now, my buddy told this happen as he works there but he cant tell me the whole story due to policy
Why would I fail you? Anyway see if you can get the story and put in on pastebin or something... I'll "find" it and post it here!

[SumAznGuy]

its not someone elses shit to get into :p

bystander effect...someone else will deal with it :p

Woman asks McDonald?s for apology | Vancouver 24 hrs (http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2013/08/20/woman-asks-mcdonalds-for-apology)

Sun alleges that even when another McDonald’s staffer asked her what was wrong, the manager scolded him for interfering.

At this point, I am not sure who to believe since we don't have McD's side of the story. :okay:

[slingblade]

I am honestly floored at the fact that this woman has actually been employed for a decade. I don't mean just in Canada, I mean in general..

[snails]

I am honestly floored at the fact that this woman has actually been employed for a decade. I don't mean just in Canada, I mean in general..

probably a Walmart greeter

[StylinRed]

maybe she got an empty cup to go fill herself and that pissed her off because she didn't order a cup ;)

and when the employee pointed towards the drink dispenser she took that to mean "gtfo"


:lawl: i can actually see that happening

[falcon]

I had no problems ordering food at McDonalds in Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands. Never once really speaking the language of the area. Just point, say "combo/menu (means combo in german) and coffee. Or whatever. It's really quite easy.

When I get more pissed is when I go to a shop in Surrey or Richmond and can't communicate with the employee because they don't speak ENGLISH. That's what should be making the news, really...

[Lomac]

I'm curious why he brought the Charter of Rights and Freedoms into this. The only section that could potentially pertain to this is section 22, but it was really only intended to refer to Aboriginal languages.

[godwin]

Honestly I think it is a plot to further his own "career" using this incident. It seems the non english speakers are oblivious, it riled up the english speakers more than anything.

I'm curious why he brought the Charter of Rights and Freedoms into this. The only section that could potentially pertain to this is section 22, but it was really only intended to refer to Aboriginal languages.

[Gululu]

Update:


Hai Xia Sun, McDonald's Meet, Resolve Complaint

The complaint by Hai Xia Sun that she was discriminated against because of her accent in a B.C. fast food outlet has been resolved amicably, the McDonald's store owner said in a statement Monday.


full statement from store owner Joe Guzzo:

I met with the customer and her friend today. We had extended the invitation for the meeting to her son so we could engage in a face-to-face discussion and learn from the recent experience. It was a constructive meeting where I provided Ms. Sun and her friend with an apology for the misunderstanding which they have both accepted. We are extremely pleased to have reached a resolution..


Hai Xia Sun, McDonald's Meet, Resolve Complaint (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/26/hai-xia-sun-mcdonalds_n_3819174.html)

:lawl:

[El Bastardo]

tldr;

I'm sorry you misunderstood....english

[RacingMetro92]

Just watched CTV and Frank Zhao is still not pleased because they didn't apologize for the "right" reason..

:facepalm:

[meme405]

This has gone way to far. Fucking idiot needs to go learn this nations fucking language.

Someone on the first page pointed out that driving tests are given in multiple languages.I had no idea they did that, that the biggest BS I have ever heard, you should be able to speak the language of whatever country you want to drive in before you go there and live there permanently.

[Not really racist!]

Lmao.... surprised Joe actually found the time to meet up with these morons

[StylinRed]

Well given his dedication to McDonalds I guess its no surprise that he would find the time just to give some pretty words to a crazy bat and her son

[EmperorIS]

Lmao.... surprised Joe actually found the time to meet up with these morons

Yeah, Joe is a busy man.

[GLOW]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/b30da8726527766d1f6b7e3778c70286/tumblr_mj5823ohgL1ru74s4o1_500.jpg

[Soundy]

full statement from store owner Joe Guzzo:

I met with the customer and her friend today. We had extended the invitation for the meeting to her son so we could engage in a face-to-face discussion and learn from the recent experience. It was a constructive meeting where I provided Ms. Sun and her friend with an apology for the misunderstanding which they have both accepted. Afterward, we had Guido and his cousin take her little bitch son out back and beat the beejezus out of him for making his poor mother look like a douche.
Fixed.

[ImportPsycho]

obviously, they are trying to get some financial compensation out of this.

here, have some of these, and STFU.

http://www.mcdonalds.ca/content/dam/Canada/en/coupon/2013-sept/BC_YK_EN.pdf


If I was her son, I would tell her to stop embarrassing herself and go take some ESL.

[T4RAWR]

obviously, they are trying to get some financial compensation out of this.

here, have some of these, and STFU.

http://www.mcdonalds.ca/content/dam/Canada/en/coupon/2013-sept/BC_YK_EN.pdf


If I was her son, I would tell her to stop embarrassing herself and go take some ESL.

hey those are pretty awesome :thumbs:

thanks, i'll be using these later this week at that very mcdonald's :fullofwin:

[iEatClams]

mcd customer service are pretty bad. some are intentional assholes, some just don't have the skill to multitask and/or memorize.

it's minimum wage, what do you expect? but at the same time ive seen many mcds cashiers that are awesome and have 10x the customer service a nice restaurant would have.

[Not really racist!]

@ mr_chin

customer service really depends on what kinda store you're at
franchise vs company...

company store is miles better... franchise worse (but Joe's stores are usually better cause his employees LOVE him, Andy Bates stores are bad at times)

also depends on if you have a full timer or part timer serving you, shit happens and for people getting paid minimum wage you better not have crazy expectations

[Marshall Placid]

Interesting thread.

The mom really should not have made such a big deal out of a..... drink.

The article mentioned the argument started from getting the wrong drink.

Lets take this point at face value and lets just say... it was actually about correcting a mistake (wrong drink).

Yes, she has the right to definitely get this mistake corrected, but she should not have made such a big deal out of it.

It's a drink.

What I think is that the argument got out of control, and she lost "face" or was embarrassed so she wanted the McD's establishment to apologize for this.

It's not really about language or charter of rights or human rights, etc.

As some posters pointed out, that particular McD's have Mandarin-speaking employees and serves many Chinese-speaking employees and customers.

So, the language barrier reason is moot.

For her, the bottom line was that she lost face and it was embarrassing, in front of the McD's employees and customers.

She knew she made a big mess out of it from a small problem (wrong drink).

I personally think it is human nature to be stubborn and hold onto the notion that you are right (and to present the case to the opposing party), even when you know you are wrong.

I'm sure many of you have experienced this, as the opposing party, and as the stubborn party.

I know I have.

She wanted the McD's to pay, not monetarily, but making them (McD's) lose face and in turn, hopefully, make herself feel better for this.

So, she rolled the dice, took her stubbornness to a higher level, and presented this story to the news agencies, in order to exact humiliation and/or revenge upon McD's.

She used the "language" card, "human rights" card, etc. to do this in order to have the story shown to the public.

If it was a customer service issue, it would not have been in public news... Language discrimination? Subjective racial issues? in CANADA? Well... it did make it to digital news and other media.

There is no basis for this, because that particular McD's actually did have Chinese speaking customers, but news outlets used this story to fill some vacant story space.

And, the end result is that it really made herself look bad, and a poster pointed out she was wearing sunglasses in the article.

If she knew she was 100% right, she need not hide her face.

She believed that her losing face and trying to gain it back trumped any notions of principles (on trying to get the wrong drink corrected).

[rsx]

Lightyears ago, I used to work at club monaco and mainalnder mom's would come in, find something that's on sale for $10-20 and say, "damaged! damaged! how much?!!" LOL they were trying to get an even bigger dsicount just for a racerback tank.

[stewie]

Lightyears ago, I used to work at club monaco and mainalnder mom's would come in, find something that's on sale for $10-20 and say, "damaged! damaged! how much?!!" LOL they were trying to get an even bigger dsicount just for a racerback tank.

first thing that came to mind...damaged...half price!!


Big Daddy Shopping Scene - YouTube

[Gululu]

And, the end result is that it really made herself look bad, and a poster pointed out she was wearing sunglasses in the article.

If she knew she was 100% right, she need not hide her face.

She believed that her losing face and trying to gain it back trumped any notions of principles (on trying to get the wrong drink corrected).

http://i.imgur.com/n8vHdxl.jpg

[SupraMan604]

We need some chinese non-mainlanders to go to Mcdicks and hold up signs that say "GTFO" and "ESL?" so people know that its the mainlanders that are making us chinese look bad....seriously.

:gtfo:

[stewie]

fuck with them for fun, put all the menu's in Chinese and have no workers there who speak it, or put menus in French, watch them try to pronounce the words and have 2000 cases like this one within a 24 hour period.

[Mike Oxbig]

yeah from my understanding hongers dont exist in vancouver/richmond no more... they have already blended in with the cbc

[Marshall Placid]

http://i.imgur.com/n8vHdxl.jpg

Of course, getting an apology from the owner demands that you do not wear sunglasses.

And, the only sensible solution for the owner is to publicly apologize, which he did.

So, that is to be expected, and that was what happened.

Conclusion: woman gains face publicly (at least, I am assuming that was what she thought she accomplished), but still made a fool of herself (and she probably knows herself), and the McD owner saved himself from a mini-publicity fiasco.

[Lomac]

Interesting thread.

The mom really should not have made such a big deal out of a..... drink.

The article mentioned the argument started from getting the wrong drink.

Lets take this point at face value and lets just say... it was actually about correcting a mistake (wrong drink).

Yes, she has the right to definitely get this mistake corrected, but she should not have made such a big deal out of it.

It's a drink.

What I think is that the argument got out of control, and she lost "face" or was embarrassed so she wanted the McD's establishment to apologize for this.

It's not really about language or charter of rights or human rights, etc.

As some posters pointed out, that particular McD's have Mandarin-speaking employees and serves many Chinese-speaking employees and customers.

So, the language barrier reason is moot.

For her, the bottom line was that she lost face and it was embarrassing, in front of the McD's employees and customers.

She knew she made a big mess out of it from a small problem (wrong drink).

I personally think it is human nature to be stubborn and hold onto the notion that you are right (and to present the case to the opposing party), even when you know you are wrong.

I'm sure many of you have experienced this, as the opposing party, and as the stubborn party.

I know I have.

She wanted the McD's to pay, not monetarily, but making them (McD's) lose face and in turn, hopefully, make herself feel better for this.

So, she rolled the dice, took her stubbornness to a higher level, and presented this story to the news agencies, in order to exact humiliation and/or revenge upon McD's.

She used the "language" card, "human rights" card, etc. to do this in order to have the story shown to the public.

If it was a customer service issue, it would not have been in public news... Language discrimination? Subjective racial issues? in CANADA? Well... it did make it to digital news and other media.

There is no basis for this, because that particular McD's actually did have Chinese speaking customers, but news outlets used this story to fill some vacant story space.

And, the end result is that it really made herself look bad, and a poster pointed out she was wearing sunglasses in the article.

If she knew she was 100% right, she need not hide her face.

She believed that her losing face and trying to gain it back trumped any notions of principles (on trying to get the wrong drink corrected).

I'm sure most of you know that I'll be one of the last people to say this, especially since I'm fairly tolerant of different cultures and their way of life, but.... fuck. The one thing that I can't stand is the whole "face" issue. "Gotta look good in front of everyone, even if it means spending every last penny to rent an expensive house and car and survive on Ramen noodles." Or, "So-and-so embarrassed me, so I'm gonna get them back by humiliating them through the media." Or some other such trivial bullshit like that. Who fucking cares what your neighbours think about you? I couldn't care less if my neighbour comes home in a Pinto or an S-Class, or if they rent a basement suite in East Vancouver or own a house on the UBC Endowment Lands. Trying to make yourself look better in front of people who don't know you and couldn't give a fuck about you past the half-second glance they give you just confuses me and makes me want to :banghead:

In fact, knowing that someone is trying to make themselves appear "better" than they really are makes me even less inclined to take the facade at face (haha!) value. If they're willing to lie about that, chances are they're willing to lie about something even more personal... and that shit I don't tolerate.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you ever wondered why there are so many bad drivers in Richmond and Hong Kong and China, a lot of it has to do with face. I have seen people speed up in order NOT to let people in front of them, or if someone goes in front of them anyway, they speed up and tailgate them, or worse, speed in front of them and slam their brakes... That is ALL because of "face"

Also I thought of this story today when I had to go to Uniqlo to pick something up... The staff couldn't communicate with me very well, and were SO apologetic.. I felt like such a scumbag that they had to apologize because I don't know Japanese... I am the one who should be apologizing! That's when I thought of this cunt, and how she reacted to basically the same thing :seriously:

[MG1]

I'm sure most of you know that I'll be one of the last people to say this, especially since I'm fairly tolerant of different cultures and their way of life, but.... fuck. The one thing that I can't stand is the whole "face" issue. "Gotta look good in front of everyone, even if it means spending every last penny to rent an expensive house and car and survive on Ramen noodles." Or, "So-and-so embarrassed me, so I'm gonna get them back by humiliating them through the media." Or some other such trivial bullshit like that. Who fucking cares what your neighbours think about you? I couldn't care less if my neighbour comes home in a Pinto or an S-Class, or if they rent a basement suite in East Vancouver or own a house on the UBC Endowment Lands. Trying to make yourself look better in front of people who don't know you and couldn't give a fuck about you past the half-second glance they give you just confuses me and makes me want to :banghead:

In fact, knowing that someone is trying to make themselves appear "better" than they really are makes me even less inclined to take the facade at face (haha!) value. If they're willing to lie about that, chances are they're willing to lie about something even more personal... and that shit I don't tolerate.

This save face thing is deeply rooted in Asian cultures and it is not always a bad thing. Hard to explain. She probably grew up in a dog eat dog environment where it's every person for themselves and fuck everyobdy else.

She just couldn't deal with her inadequacies in a civilized manner.


Also I thought of this story today when I had to go to Uniqlo to pick something up... The staff couldn't communicate with me very well, and were SO apologetic.. I felt like such a scumbag that they had to apologize because I don't know Japanese... I am the one who should be apologizing! That's when I thought of this cunt, and how she reacted to basically the same thing :seriously:

In Japanese culture, putting oneself's interest above others is somewhat of a sin. To inconvenience others and being thoughtless makes one look like an uncivilized individual and brings shame. Having said that though, they are not always like that when not in public - amongst friends and family, a different story. Again, hard to explain.

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BTW, off topic, but if I looked like her (picture without sunglasses), I'd be all pissy, too. Some people just look angry and miserable even when they are smiling....... not that she's smiling very much. I don't like it when people wear sunglasses (cannot see eyes), but in this case, she needs to wear them 24/7 - ugly inside and out. She's not quite as bad as Integra girl, but close.


EDIT: I just saw pic again........ Joe is giving the woman the Obama handshake. The subtle, "I have control of situation" shake - where you put other hand over the other person's. It's a politician's handshake, too, so who knows.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah it's definitely a work thing.. like a lot conceptions we have about japanese culture, it's a facade. Still, it felt kind of bad and it reminded me of this dumb fuck :D

[GLOW]

am i the only one that thinks the owner looks like the guy from law & order?
http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2013/news/130805/dennis-farina-300.jpg

[ZordosZZ]

don't mind my paint skills :badpokerface:
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4818/vqzk.jpg

[Mr.HappySilp]

Prepare for more issue like this
http://www.revscene.net/forums/687572-ubc-vantage-college.html
Soon it will happen to all major chain stores and not just fast food.

[Noir]

Yeah it's definitely a work thing.. like a lot conceptions we have about japanese culture, it's a facade. Still, it felt kind of bad and it reminded me of this dumb fuck :D

Werd. Doesn't matter if it's a facade, it's still the correct facade.


I very much prefer the notion of people holding their tongues and emotions despite thinking they're correct, superior, etc, rather than the opposite which is the case in question.

[sonick]

I have seen people speed up in order NOT to let people in front of them, or if someone goes in front of them anyway, they speed up and tailgate them, or worse, speed in front of them and slam their brakes... That is ALL because of "face":

Having driven in Richmond nearly all my life, I have experienced the above actions far more in Vancouver and from non-chinese nationalities than Chinese in Richmond.

A large portion of these encounters are with large pickup trucks or large SUV's. Some of them sporting big chrome rims.

Most incidents in Richmond are less outright aggressive, and more passive aggressive. Things like cutting across two lanes to make a turn without any consideration to other drivers, or stopping in the middle of the street and waiting to pick up or drop off somebody.

[fishCak3s]

Feels like an adult throwing temper tantrums in public

[dbaz]

Cant wait until this situation is one-upped, now that mcd's bent over and apologized. Whats next? "Someone didn't speak mandarin to me at McDonalds, I couldn't order. I then went home, without food. I tried to work on my essay, but I was malnourished. This resulted me in not getting an A+. My family has disowned me, I want McDonalds to reimburse my loses" :troll:

[Lomac]

Cant wait until this situation is one-upped, now that mcd's bent over and apologized. Whats next? "Someone didn't speak mandarin to me at McDonalds, I couldn't order. I then went home, without food. I tried to work on my essay, but I was malnourished. This resulted me in not getting an A+. My family has disowned me, I want McDonalds to reimburse my loses" :troll:

:accepted:

[godwin]

Just like no one in Richmond would admit to be a bad driver, new immigrants won't dare to admit they can't speak English (not to mention lack of English proficiency would affect their chance of immigration). That's why it is a non issue other than forums like this one, which is populated by mostly second generation Asian Canadians.

Honestly the people who should stir the pot should be people who complainded about the Chinese signs in Richmond, they would have the most to gain if they deftly exploit this incident.

[Noir]

Just like no one in Richmond would admit to be a bad driver, new immigrants won't dare to admit they can't speak English (not to mention lack of English proficiency would affect their chance of immigration). That's why it is a non issue other than forums like this one, which is populated by mostly second generation Asian Canadians.

Honestly the people who should stir the pot should be people who complainded about the Chinese signs in Richmond, they would have the most to gain if they deftly exploit this incident.


:lol

That gave me a chuckle.

[StylinRed]

am i the only one that thinks the owner looks like the guy from law & order?
http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2013/news/130805/dennis-farina-300.jpg

ot but that guys dead, he passed away a month ago

[godwin]

Heh.. sorry for the typo.

If people on this board are really mad.. give them Anthony "I have a ISF for sale" treatment and make them Vancouver Superstars.

:lol

That gave me a chuckle.

[Phil@rise]

So a few weeks back I had a customer in here a brown guy that just blurted out "go back home you fuckin dipper!" at another brown dude runnin down the street yellin up a storm. When he looked back at me he could tell I was shocked and he says to me "I hate these fuckin dippers! Why come to Canada in the first place if your gonna act the same as back home?!" Now after having my shop in Richmond for a few years and living there plus my daughter attending both high school and elementary I couldnt help but notice a fair portion of the immigrants in Richmond have the same mentality as many of those in Surrey and this guy an immigrant himself hit the nail on the head.
I had always kept my mouth shut I didnt want anyone looking down upon me for my observations but even some of the better adapted immigrants feel the same way as I'm sure he wasnt the only one with such views he just had the courage or lack of filter to express them.
Now what this family needs to do and I'm sure many others like them is think how would this scenario unfold if the roles were reversed and it was a Canadian in their country. I say Canadian because being Canadian has nothing to do with where your from or the color of your skin but your acceptance of a nation its people and its culture.
Language and customs are always a barrier but its up to you to fit in not the other way around. You chose to emigrate to another country you have to take the responsibility to accept that culture and embrace it or whats the point of even going there?

[Soundy]

ot but that guys dead, he passed away a month ago

Or DID he?? Maybe he's in the Witness Protection program living a new life as a mild-mannered McDonalds manager... oh shit, sorry dude.

[accl]

I remember when I used to work at retail, some china aunties would come up to me asking me some shit in mandarin. I'd tell them I don't speak mandarin and they'd just walk off looking pissed and head held up high. Fuck is that all about?

i worked (and still working) retail in both burnaby and richmond. I don't speak canto but a lot of cantonese speaking people gives me crap because i "look like" i can speak canto but then i actually cant. They will say things like "oh you work here (aberdeen center) and you cant speak cantonese? How did you get the job" and shit like that (in very thick chinglish accent though lol). Though that is one of the more harsher things that was said to me but yea i do get attitude like that few times a week.

They also get mad when i speak english.....sooooo yea i often feel pretty stupid for things that are out of my control. But i get what you're feeling.

[CP.AR]

Just like no one in Richmond would admit to be a bad driver, new immigrants won't dare to admit they can't speak English (not to mention lack of English proficiency would affect their chance of immigration). That's why it is a non issue other than forums like this one, which is populated by mostly second generation Asian Canadians.

Honestly the people who should stir the pot should be people who complainded about the Chinese signs in Richmond, they would have the most to gain if they deftly exploit this incident.

WRONG
I live in Richmond
I drive like shit
I park like shit
How did this DL end up in my wallet I really don't have a single clue :fullofwin:

[ae101]

my point of view might be very different from u guys, as my mom was is not english speaking & she try very very very hard to learn but fail many many times

it was to the point where a grow ass woman was taking classes with little elementary kids, she felt very depressed as she could not learn the language

this is why i try to speak chinese to chinese speaking people when they cant understand english too well

[SkinnyPupp]

my point of view might be very different from u guys, as my mom was is not english speaking & she try very very very hard to learn but fail many many times

it was to the point where a grow ass woman was taking classes with little elementary kids, she felt very depressed as she could not learn the language

this is why i try to speak chinese to chinese speaking people when they cant understand english too well
If you had spoken english at home, she'd be 100% fluent by now ;)

Just saying, because I am kind of in the same situation. I am also embarrassed about it, and highly appreciative when someone tries to accommodate me.

[ae101]

If you had spoken english at home, she'd be 100% fluent by now ;)

Just saying, because I am kind of in the same situation. I am also embarrassed about it, and highly appreciative when someone tries to accommodate me.

this just before i was born & after my parents divorced in 96 she just gave up on it

i still remember to this day how every night she put me to sleep, then turn on the table lamp to study, she would cry every night because of how she just couldnt get it but was too embarrass to let us know

im sure the person suing McD is not in the same shoes as my mom, since im pretty sure even if she cant speak there will be someone there to help her out

[Marshall Placid]

Having driven in Richmond nearly all my life, I have experienced the above actions far more in Vancouver and from non-chinese nationalities than Chinese in Richmond.

A large portion of these encounters are with large pickup trucks or large SUV's. Some of them sporting big chrome rims.

Most incidents in Richmond are less outright aggressive, and more passive aggressive. Things like cutting across two lanes to make a turn without any consideration to other drivers, or stopping in the middle of the street and waiting to pick up or drop off somebody.

Agreed on all points.

[meowjinboo]

my point of view might be very different from u guys, as my mom was is not english speaking & she try very very very hard to learn but fail many many times

it was to the point where a grow ass woman was taking classes with little elementary kids, she felt very depressed as she could not learn the language

this is why i try to speak chinese to chinese speaking people when they cant understand english too well

government offers free english classes at VCC.

My cousin did it when he emigrated here from greece.

Fail excuse.

After 1 year he's pretty fluent.

He also didn't get a job with other greeks.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I think you guys using the whole official language is X & Y should rethink your strategy.

with enough social and political pressure... a stroke of a pen will all it takes to bust your guys's argument.

[SkinnyPupp]

I think you guys using the whole official language is X & Y should rethink your strategy.

with enough social and political pressure... a stroke of a pen will all it takes to bust your guys's argument.
"social and political pressure" in the form of war, but yeah good point.

[KO7]

i worked (and still working) retail in both burnaby and richmond. I don't speak canto but a lot of cantonese speaking people gives me crap because i "look like" i can speak canto but then i actually cant. They will say things like "oh you work here (aberdeen center) and you cant speak cantonese? How did you get the job" and shit like that (in very thick chinglish accent though lol). Though that is one of the more harsher things that was said to me but yea i do get attitude like that few times a week.

They also get mad when i speak english.....sooooo yea i often feel pretty stupid for things that are out of my control. But i get what you're feeling.

I'm pretty shocked that you work(ed) at Aberdeen and don't speak Cantonese. I know you said "retail" but do/did you actually work at Vera's Burgers in the food court? :troll:

[MG1]

You can't beat their meat............ how you sat dat in Canto?

[Porschedog]

Can we just ship her back to China
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[Gululu]

Can we just ship her back to China
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No and here's why:
the Chinese' have been here since 1788.

http://www.researchvit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Discover-Chinese-Canadians_Part-6_History_Infographic.png

[EmperorIS]

^^ what does any of that have to do with shipping that animal back to China?

[accl]

I'm pretty shocked that you work(ed) at Aberdeen and don't speak Cantonese. I know you said "retail" but do/did you actually work at Vera's Burgers in the food court? :troll:


no, i did not work in the food court.

[z3german]

http://i.imgur.com/nbC692K.jpg

[Soundy]

http://i.imgur.com/nbC692K.jpg

Brad Paisley - Celebrity - YouTube

[Soundy]

No and here's why:
the Chinese' have been here since 1788.
Yet still can't order a drink at McDonalds?? :okay:

[Iceman-19]

Figured this worked here too.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/Iceman_19/oec6s_zps399722dd.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Iceman_19/media/oec6s_zps399722dd.jpg.html)

[fliptuner]

No and here's why:
the Chinese' have been here since 1788.

You didn't read the second line, did you?

[ae101]

government offers free english classes at VCC.

My cousin did it when he emigrated here from greece.

Fail excuse.

After 1 year he's pretty fluent.

He also didn't get a job with other greeks.

great your cousin is smart but my mom is not

[Iceman-19]

So a few weeks back I had a customer in here a brown guy that just blurted out "go back home you fuckin dipper!" at another brown dude runnin down the street yellin up a storm. When he looked back at me he could tell I was shocked and he says to me "I hate these fuckin dippers! Why come to Canada in the first place if your gonna act the same as back home?!" Now after having my shop in Richmond for a few years and living there plus my daughter attending both high school and elementary I couldnt help but notice a fair portion of the immigrants in Richmond have the same mentality as many of those in Surrey and this guy an immigrant himself hit the nail on the head.
I had always kept my mouth shut I didnt want anyone looking down upon me for my observations but even some of the better adapted immigrants feel the same way as I'm sure he wasnt the only one with such views he just had the courage or lack of filter to express them.
Now what this family needs to do and I'm sure many others like them is think how would this scenario unfold if the roles were reversed and it was a Canadian in their country. I say Canadian because being Canadian has nothing to do with where your from or the color of your skin but your acceptance of a nation its people and its culture.
Language and customs are always a barrier but its up to you to fit in not the other way around. You chose to emigrate to another country you have to take the responsibility to accept that culture and embrace it or whats the point of even going there?

He did hit the nail on the head. He knows that people like the guy he yelled at, make him look bad, as it perpetuates a sterotype. Sure its wrong to judge everyone of a certain background, ethnicity, skin colour, whatever, as the same, but EVERYONE does it at one time or another. Like all the chinese that have come into this thread telling that woman to go the fuck home, they know it makes them look bad. I like Canada. I am glad I grew up here. I don't consider myself racist. I have multicultural friends. I don't like these people as much as you don't like them. Its not because of their race, or what country they came from. Its because they are self centered selfish fuck bags that think everyone should cater to them. Sorry, but just because Canadians are seen as extra nice to everyone, doesn't mean you can walk all over us. Everyone is welcome here, but I think to truely call yourself Canadian, is when you embrace the culture. You think I could go to Korea, be myself, and expect to be treated like that woman is being treated here? Hahahaha, I am sure I would end up in some jail never to be heard from again.

[Iceman-19]

No and here's why:
the Chinese' have been here since 1788.

http://www.researchvit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Discover-Chinese-Canadians_Part-6_History_Infographic.png

So in 225 years, the chinese still can't speak fucking english? :badpokerface:

[melloman]

^^ Nah back then they had respect. They would learn the language abit so they could communicate.

Now-a-days they just move to Richmond and expect it to be exactly like China back home.

[snails]

^^ Nah back then they had respect. They would learn the language abit so they could communicate.

Now-a-days they just move to Richmond and expect it to be exactly like China back home.


i dont think they expect it to be like China... i think they expect us to be fine with them turning it into China.

(give an inch, they take a mile) seems to be the mentality.. its easy to abuse freedoms in Canada and a lot don't seem to hesitate

[Jsunu]

^^ Nah back then they had respect. They would learn the language abit so they could communicate.

Now-a-days they just move to Richmond and expect it to be exactly like China back home.

I don't mind as much if they try to change make their environment similar to their country of origin. Just treat me with respect if I don't speak Chinese. The amount of dirty looks and general attitude once they realize you don't speak a lick of Chinese is terrible.

I don't give you shit for not speaking english so dont give me shit for not speaking yours.

[melloman]

I don't mind as much if they try to change make their environment similar to their country of origin. Just treat me with respect if I don't speak Chinese. The amount of dirty looks and general attitude once they realize you don't speak a lick of Chinese is terrible.

I don't give you shit for not speaking english so dont give me shit for not speaking yours.

I'm white.

When I walk into their restaurant, they know I don't speak Chinese.
I have gotten tons of dirty looks from people, but I am happily 6'3" and now 190lbs. I have yet to have someone tell me to GTFO because of my race or my lack of asian languages.

And the day I do, someones gotten get told to fuck off, in their asian language. :troll:

[Gululu]

I'm white.

When I walk into their restaurant, they know I don't speak Chinese.
I have gotten tons of dirty looks from people, but I am happily 6'3" and now 190lbs. I have yet to have someone tell me to GTFO because of my race of my lack of asian languages.

And the day I do, someones gotten get told to fuck off, in their asian language. :troll:

im bigger than u

[Spidey]

is the guy's name David or Frank? Two articles state 2 different names... unless different brothers?

[GLOW]

im bigger than u

http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/shocked-cat.jpg?cda6c1

[El Bastardo]

im bigger than u

Calling it. 2013 post of the year.

[El Bastardo]

Canadians routinely bend over backwards to people who are new to or rough with English. It’s simply unfair to cry “discrimination” when just once things don’t turn out perfectly.

Hai Xia Sun is doing just that after her experience at a Richmond, B.C., McDonald’s.

Sun didn’t get what she ordered. She wanted to correct the mistake but says the manager sent her away saying, “You don’t understand English … The line is long. I want to serve other people.”

Sun has the Chinese Canadian National Council on her team now — their executive director labelling the experience “unacceptable.” Now Sun doesn’t just want a simple apology. She wants a written one from the franchise owner, the manager and she wants it made out to all Canadians who aren’t native English speakers.

...

Sun, who has lived in Canada for 10 years and whose son suggests McDonald’s solution should be to hire Mandarin speakers, is pushing her luck


Sun News : Just because red carpet wasn’t rolled out, don’t call it discrimination (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/08/20130824-072346.html#.Uhi_KAm-jp4.facebook)

[FerrariEnzo]

Sun News : Just because red carpet wasn’t rolled out, don’t call it discrimination (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/08/20130824-072346.html#.Uhi_KAm-jp4.facebook)
she should stay in china if she wants service in her OWN language... this isnt china.. and shouldnt cater to it just coz you can speak english AFTER 10 years living/working in a country... GTFO

[BrRsn]

lol bunch of clowns

someone needs to slap some sense into the mom and beat the crap out of the instigating little shit monger son of hers. It's fucking canada, speak the language or get the fuck out-- it's as simple as that.

This is a prime example of why there is no sense of 'nation' in Canada -- if there was a war tomorrow and we needed people to fight, how many of these 'canadians' would voluntarily enlist, and how many would scurry back to their home country to avoid a draft?

[murd0c]

She should go piss in a garbage can that stupid twat

[Happy]

She should go piss in a garbage can that stupid twat

she should hold the respect sign while doing so

LOL

[Geoc]

she dun goofed. now her consequences will never be the same again...

[GLOW]

Sun has the Chinese Canadian National Council on her team now — their executive director labelling the experience “unacceptable.” Now Sun doesn’t just want a simple apology. She wants a written one from the franchise owner, the manager and she wants it made out to all Canadians who aren’t native English speakers.

text book definition of give an inch, take a mile.

[twitchyzero]

^^ Nah back then they had respect. They would learn the language abit so they could communicate.

Now-a-days they just move to Richmond and expect it to be exactly like China back home.

no, it's because they used to be a needle in a haystack. If you didn't speak English you won't be able to hold ANY jobs...and they probably did not come from a wealthy background in the first place.

If they had their piece of Richmond/Asian Majority % of population back in the days and came to this country with money in the bank...they'd do the same thing.

[alpinestars]

I'm white.

When I walk into their restaurant, they know I don't speak Chinese.
I have gotten tons of dirty looks from people, but I am happily 6'3" and now 190lbs. I have yet to have someone tell me to GTFO because of my race or my lack of asian languages.

And the day I do, someones gotten get told to fuck off, in their asian language. :troll:

I'm 5'10" 155lbs, I have yet someone to tell me to GTFO either.

FYI for the most part, the Chinese are civilized enough to not start shit with people regardless of their size, so don't think just cause you're 6'3" people wouldn't tell you to fuck off if they had to. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible.

Just a piece of life advice, you're obviously conscious of your physical advantage over the average person, but don't depend on it and let it get to your head. Otherwise the littler people you pick on might put something else in your head :)

[trancehead]

cromagnon vs neanderthals

[RX8CER]

le fob

[fliptuner]

Just a piece of life advice, you're obviously conscious of your physical advantage over the average person, but don't depend on it and let it get to your head. Otherwise the littler people you pick on might put something else in your head :)

OT but just had to....

Are you threatening me? (Beavis) - YouTube

[ae101]

im at the bar right now in GZ, talking to some americans &.even they know this story

holy shit man, this kinda made international news
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[GLOW]

were they screaming for human rights? :pokerface:

[Mr.HappySilp]

She's been here 10 fucking years. My parents who didn't even graduate from elementary back in china is able to communicate in simple English just fine. They are able to order food from McDonald's , restaurants, shopping, ask for advice. How my parents did it? Coz they made an effort to learn English.

This lady didn't even try........ we should find out where works and ask to speak to her directly in English, if she can't we can all say she is discriminating against English speaking citizens.

[Noir]

we should find out where works and ask to speak to her directly in English, if she can't we can all say she is discriminating against English speaking citizens.

Well, you don't have to necessarily find where she works but there's a shit ton of restaurants in Richmond (and a little in Vancouver) who already don't have a single English literate employee in their staff.

Although it's not like they're going to discriminate and refuse service to you, they're not actually making any effort to accomodate english speaking customers as well. So... there goes that.

[SkinnyPupp]

Well, you don't have to necessarily find where she works but there's a shit ton of restaurants in Richmond (and a little in Vancouver) who already don't have a single English literate employee in their staff.

Although it's not like they're going to discriminate and refuse service to you, they're not actually making any effort to accomodate english speaking customers as well. So... there goes that.
I disagree; in my experience after moving to Richmond in 1998 is that they are very accommodating. "These" restaurants get a bad rep, but if you are polite and kind to them, they usually act the same way in return. Only the assholes aren't, and well there are assholes everywhere, regardless of what kind of restaurant they work at, or what language they speak.

[StylinRed]

90s richmond is completely different from todays sadly

[SkinnyPupp]

yeah I haven't set foot in Richmond in over 5 years... sounds like things have changed for the worse

[classified]

yeah a couple years ago i went into a hot pot place in richmond with a chinese friend and it was good. Then came back a week later with a Filipino and a japanese and he waved his hands before we even walked in saying no english no english(same guy who was there last time to). Really rustled my jimmies.

[Soundy]

I disagree; in my experience after moving to Richmond in 1998 is that they are very accommodating. "These" restaurants get a bad rep, but if you are polite and kind to them, they usually act the same way in return. Only the assholes aren't, and well there are assholes everywhere, regardless of what kind of restaurant they work at, or what language they speak.

Epic truth.

[Sid Vicious]

yeah I haven't set foot in Richmond in over 5 years... sounds like things have changed for the worse

lived here pretty much all my life, its not so bad

people who complain about stuff like bad customer service at restaurants or stores or whatever are just whiny bitches

[Noir]

I disagree; in my experience after moving to Richmond in 1998 is that they are very accommodating. "These" restaurants get a bad rep, but if you are polite and kind to them, they usually act the same way in return. Only the assholes aren't, and well there are assholes everywhere, regardless of what kind of restaurant they work at, or what language they speak.

We're not talking about jerks existing in the service industry.

With respect to this topic, it's kind of hypocritical for this Chinese woman (and her son) demanding Mandarin accommodation from a business establishment when clearly Richmond doesn't even have a strong culture of accommodating English within their business establishments.

Like mentioned examples:

1) Currently existing restaurants that do not have (or at best, poorly) English literate staff.
2) The strong sentiment against the recent motion to change Chinese only business signs, bus ads, etc to accommodate for English communication/translation. How many pages did that thread get? How mixed was that discussion in that thread alone?

[nma]

I'm going to go to the most asian place in Richmond, speak French and English to them and demand that they understand me. If they don't I'm going to wear a Canadian shirt and hold up a sign with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The funny thing is, my actions would be WAY more justified, seeing as I am speaking English in CANADA..

[yogibear]

This article has been popping up in my Facebook news feed over the past few days and I thought I'd share it since it does reference this whole Richmond McDonald's incident:

http://www.hushmagazine.ca/social-commentary/canadas-cultural-conundrum/

Canada has long been known for being one of the most diverse, polite, accepting and accommodating countries on the planet. Canadian citizens who are born and raised here are by-and-large taught to be tolerant and non-discriminatory of all races, cultures and people with various lifestyle preferences. The unfortunate part is that a growing portion of people who were not born and raised here seem to be taking this tolerance for granted or even abusing it. Take, for example, the recent case of a Chinese woman in Richmond who demanded a formal apology from a local McDonald’s restaurant after being refused service because the order-taker could not understand her due to her inability to speak proper English.

The woman, Hai Xia Sun – who allegedly immigrated to Canada roughly 10 years ago – ordered a hot chocolate from the fast-food chain but instead she received a mocha (cue the violin music). She then complained and tried to correct the order in broken English, but the manager who was serving her could not understand her and finally asked her to leave because there was a long lineup and it didn’t seem like they were getting anywhere. Sun then took her story to the media claiming racial discrimination and demanding a formal apology from the company.

Forgive me if somehow I’m wrong here, but the last time I checked this was Canada and our national languages were English and French. Doesn’t it make sense then that if you make the decision to move here, you should be responsible for learning at least one of these two languages? Apparently not to some people who think that rather than adapting to our culture and language, everybody else has to adapt to theirs, like Coco Lo, who is also a regular customer of the same McDonald’s restaurant, and who was quoted by CTV News saying that “I would say maybe they could speak some Chinese, Mandarin, because it’s Richmond.” Again, last time I checked, Richmond was in Canada, not China, although sometimes I truly do wonder.

It’s no secret that Vancouver (and Richmond in particular) is beginning to look a lot more like China than Canada in many areas. In central Richmond, Chinese-language signs dominate the skyline and Asian malls, shops and restaurants seem to far outnumber that of any other race. That’s all well and fine, except for the fact that if you are not of Asian descent, you are not always welcome in these establishments. I can’t even count the number of times I or others I know have been gawked at or refused service in English in places like Parker Place or Aberdeen Mall in Richmond. If you walk into these places and you are not of East-Asian descent, there is a large chance you will get stared at as if you were an unwelcome cockroach.

As far as the employment market is concerned in Canada, the national rules dictate that you should be able to speak English and/or French in order to be eligible for many jobs. But just take a look at the jobs listed on Vancouver Craigslist nowadays. Many positions require you to speak Chinese if you want to stand a chance. Is that not racial discrimination in a country where Chinese is not a national language?

And yet it seems that those who possess ESL language skills that are difficult to understand at best are welcome to apply for many English-speaking companies in Canada, like my local Starbucks where the manager communicates in broken English and clearly gets frustrated when English-speaking customers don’t understand her: yet another establishment where I no longer feel welcome, but am I going to file a formal complaint over it? No, because that would somehow make me intolerant and racist because I’m a white Canadian. After all, it’s rare that you hear Canadians who were born and raised here playing the racial discrimination card because somehow it has become engrained in us that it’s only racist if it offends the immigrant community.

Newsflash: Almost everybody who calls Canada home has ancestors who immigrated here at some point in time, and unless those ancestors were of strictly British descent, they probably had to assimilate and learn English to survive here. Personally, my family is Eastern European and when my great grandfather came here he had to learn English if he expected to be served at an establishment in Canada. His friend who had immigrated a few years before him taught him the phrase “apple pie coffee,” and so he was able to enter a diner and order an apple pie and coffee. When he got tired of that, his friend taught him the phrase “cheese sandwich.” When he asked for a cheese sandwich, the waitress asked him if he wanted it on white or brown bread. Not knowing how to respond, he ordered an apple pie and coffee because he understood that it was not up to the server to learn his language, it was up to him to learn English in an English-speaking country.

I know we’ve come a long way since the time when my ancestors moved here, but the message is still the same: if you choose to come here of your own free will because clearly you would rather live in Canada than your own home country, then the responsibility is on you to adapt to Canada, not on Canada to adapt to you.

Maybe it’s high time we take a cue from countries like Australia where immigrants are more than welcome and their cultures are embraced on the one condition that they agree to adapt to Australian customs, like speaking English. After all, I think Australian former-Prime Minister Julia Gillard said it best when she said that “Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take it or leave it …

“I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture … We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language …

“We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us. This is our country, our land and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our Christian beliefs, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom: the right to leave. If you aren’t happy here then leave. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.”

I thought it was an interesting article but I don't really know how I feel about it. The writer does bring up some good points but the whole "learn English or get out" mentality doesn't completely sit right with me.

[Soundy]

I thought it was an interesting article but I don't really know how I feel about it. The writer does bring up some good points but the whole "learn English or get out" mentality doesn't completely sit right with me.
The sad thing is, it rarely starts out that way... but you try to be accommodating, you try to be understanding, and people just keep pushing it and pushing it to the point that all you want to say is, "You know what, fuck you, it's YOUR turn to give a little... my way or the highway."

[4444]

That article was well written and provides the best support for saying 'enough is enough' but Canada doesn't care, we need immigrants to keep our weak economy ticking along

[stewie]

That article was well written and provides the best support for saying 'enough is enough' but Canada doesn't care, we need immigrants to keep our weak economy ticking along

i liked the article, but why cant those immigrants who are wanting to come here learn the language? is it really to much to ask for someone to learn a language while living in a foreign country? should we start handing out *insert language here* to English phrase books at the air ports? or should we just make it less appealing for immigrants to come here by making everything French and accommodating to nobody who cant speak otherwise?

you give them an inch and they take a mile. we've gladly let them come and start a new life in this country, but they get here and figure fuck it. its not Canada to them, its a more appealing china/hong kong/any other country.

[Manic!]

i liked the article, but why cant those immigrants who are wanting to come here learn the language? is it really to much to ask for someone to learn a language while living in a foreign country? should we start handing out *insert language here* to English phrase books at the air ports? or should we just make it less appealing for immigrants to come here by making everything French and accommodating to nobody who cant speak otherwise?

you give them an inch and they take a mile. we've gladly let them come and start a new life in this country, but they get here and figure fuck it. its not Canada to them, its a more appealing china/hong kong/any other country.

all thru out history Immigrants have come to North America and have forced the locals to learn there language.

[TatsuyaKataoka]

Some of the sentiments in this thread are the same sentiments used by Québecers to defend their insane language laws.

[Graeme S]

Some of the sentiments in this thread are the same sentiments used by Québecers to defend their insane language laws.
True. Except here, rather than saying "They shouldn't use the language of that woman's nation in a business!" they're saying "A woman who comes to a business here should not automatically expect to be served in her native tongue!"

If the manager wanted, he could hire mandarin speakers and place mandarin signs throughout the store. Apparently he hasn't done either, and because this woman was slighted she feels that he is being discriminatory.

While both are discussions about language, the two are fairly different.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Is easy lol. Just make sure any immigrants who comes to Canada pass a simple English or french test that includes communications thru verbal and written. If they fail their application are simply decline.

The test should be aim and everyday communication rather that wiring formal essay or research papers. Just something simple to make sure they can communicate in basic English.

New Zealand have something like this in place I believe and is been great for them.

Before anyone fails me. Think of it how will you report a crime if you can't even communicate in basic English? Say someone is robbing your house, you call 911 well most likely the other on the other end will speak either English or French. Or when you get into a car accident how will you communicate to the police or the other people involve in the accident?

[adambomb]

Some of the sentiments in this thread are the same sentiments used by Québecers to defend their insane language laws.

La francaise est une langue officielle du Canada. All the Quebecers are trying to do is preserve french because most other provinces lean towards english.

You see similar sentiments in this thread because there are people (like this McAsian woman) who just plain refuse to learn the language and make their laziness a human rights issue. McAsian woman has lived in Canada for ten years but is still unable to enunciate the difference between "Hot Chocolate" and "Cafe Mocha" but the person behind the counter is guaranteed to have a grasp of atleast one of our official languages. Do you know how hot chocolate/cafe mocha is pronounced in french? Its chocolate chaud/cafe mocha. One of the words are identical!!! yet this woman living here for 10 years can't figure out either. I don't think anyone who is posting that immigrants should learn the language is out of line.

This is Canada. It is clean and safe. A great country to call home. We speak french and english. choose one. Merci mes amis. :h5:

[AeroK]

meh...this is bullshit!!! its freaking McDonalds for god sakes not a five star restaurant!!!

[Traum]

It'll likely get shot down by the general public given that family reunion makes up for a big part of the immigration applications. Granted, we (as in, Canada) is shifting away from the family reunion immigration applications, but we still have the 10 year super visa for this family reunion stuff, so the problem is not gonna go away.
Is easy lol. Just make sure any immigrants who comes to Canada pass a simple English or french test that includes communications thru verbal and written. If they fail their application are simply decline.

The test should be aim and everyday communication rather that wiring formal essay or research papers. Just something simple to make sure they can communicate in basic English.

New Zealand have something like this in place I believe and is been great for them.

Before anyone fails me. Think of it how will you report a crime if you can't even communicate in basic English? Say someone is robbing your house, you call 911 well most likely the other on the other end will speak either English or French. Or when you get into a car accident how will you communicate to the police or the other people involve in the accident?

[xSin]

i dont get this, my friend works at that McD & he been working for about a good 7 years or so

hes chinese & so are some of the co-workers that work there that i know, every time someone struggles with ordering in english there would always been a chinese worker to help

this looks like a fuck cheap way to get some money by playing the blood race card

This, I'm willing to bet that she's got "Canada" confused with "America" ...our legal system is set up entirely differently here, there's actually a law in place that protects our courts against "frivolous lawsuits" which is why we don't have the same civil suit scenery as the US does with everybody suing each other and their neighbor's dog all at once.

McDonalds is an easy target, a big corporation, and one that gave a huge settlement to someone for its coffee being "Too hot" (Though I watched a documentary on that and it wasn't nearly as 'frivolous' as it sounds) it could be easy for someone whose english isn't awesome, to think that they're an easier target than they actually are.

The other part of this that really confuses me though is since when does McDonalds serve you your own drink unless its Drive-Thru? Admittedly I don't go there often but for the last few years anytime I've set foot inside a McDonalds and ordered a "meal" they've handed me an empty cup and I've had to go pour my own drink from the handy dandy drink fountain.

There's a lot wrong with this situation, and none of it has anything to do with the McDonalds lol

[Iceman-19]

La francaise est une langue officielle du Canada. All the Quebecers are trying to do is preserve french because most other provinces lean towards english.

You see similar sentiments in this thread because there are people (like this McAsian woman) who just plain refuse to learn the language and make their laziness a human rights issue. McAsian woman has lived in Canada for ten years but is still unable to enunciate the difference between "Hot Chocolate" and "Cafe Mocha" but the person behind the counter is guaranteed to have a grasp of atleast one of our official languages. Do you know how hot chocolate/cafe mocha is pronounced in french? Its chocolate chaud/cafe mocha. One of the words are identical!!! yet this woman living here for 10 years can't figure out either. I don't think anyone who is posting that immigrants should learn the language is out of line.

This is Canada. It is clean and safe. A great country to call home. We speak french and english. choose one. Merci mes amis. :h5:

We speak english, go back to quebec.

[adambomb]

We speak english, go back to quebec.

The problem is... I'm Chinese-Canadian. As soon as I land, they would probably say go back to BC. Merde! :(



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXSi9F8_xKo

[Soundy]

all thru out history Immigrants have come to North America and have forced the locals to learn there language.

Which works great (in theory) if you have a large group of immigrants that only speak one language, wanting to force that on another single existing group that only speaks one language...

But once they force all the English-speakers to learn Mandarin, what then? The Punjabi speakers have to learn it too? Does that mean the EI population can then force the English AND Chinese speakers to learn their language too?

I think I'll learn Klingon, and then insist everyone else MUST learn it so they can communicate with me without violating my Charter rights. Those who can't take my Klingon order for prune juice are obviously discriminating against me!

"prune vIychorgh SoH fuck asshole mcdonalds vIlle', vIparHa'!"