Hundreds of Syrian civilians gased to death and injured [Archive]

dinosaur

08-24-2013, 10:23 AM

I remember reading something about a bunch of civilians being gassed the other day..

Doctors Without Borders says some 355 people who showed "neurotoxic symptoms" died following the suspected chemical weapons attack this week near Syria's capital.

The Paris-based humanitarian aid group said Saturday that three hospitals it supports in the Damascus region reported receiving roughly 3,600 patients who showed such symptoms over less than three hours on Wednesday morning.

A debate has ensued about who was behind the alleged gas attack on rebel-held Damascus suburbs that activists previously said killed more than 130 people. The attack has spurred demands for an independent investigation and renewed talk of potential international military action, if chemical weapons were indeed used.

The organization released a statement Saturday describing symptoms including convulsions, extreme salivation, contracted pupils and sight and respiratory problems.

The charity said many were treated with atropine, a drug administered to those with "neurotoxic symptoms."

"[We] can neither scientifically confirm the cause of these symptoms nor establish who is responsible for the attack," said the organization's Director of Operations Bart Janssens.

"However, the reported symptoms of the patients, in addition to the epidemiological pattern of the events, characterized by the massive influx of patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical and first aid workers, strongly indicate mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent."

Anti-government activists accuse the Syrian government of carrying out the toxic gas attack on the eastern suburbs of Damascus and have reported death tolls ranging from 136 to 1,300.

Government points finger at rebels

Syrian Deputy Prime Minister Qadri Jamil said foreign militants carried out the attack with the backing of Israel and supporters in the West in a bid to thwart efforts to hold an international peace conference to end the Syrian bloodshed.

"We can only say that extremist forces carried it out, linked to foreign forces, since no Syrian can do this against another Syrian," he said Wednesday. "At the head of these forces are those who have promoted vengeance and hatred and spoke of ousting the regime by force over the past two years."

Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said this week that evidence of a possible chemical weapons attack was mounting, but he stopped short of confirming a chemical attack actually took place.

"The fact that Syria continues to bombard this specific geographic area ... is telling," Baird said at a press conference Friday afternoon. “The fact that Syria will not let the UN inspectors who are on the ground in the country today visit this area is a very telling action.”

Baird said he has met with his British counterpart, William Hague, and both of them are “troubled” by the United Nations Security Council’s inability to take decisive action.

Wednesday's attack came as a UN team was on the ground in Syria investigating earlier claims of chemical weapons attacks.

More than 100,000 people have been killed in Syria during more than two years of clashes between forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and opposition fighters seeking to overthrow his regime.

Source: Syria gas attack symptoms confirmed by doctor group - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/08/24/gas-attack-syria.html)

TL;DR

-355 people who showed "neurotoxic symptoms" died following the suspected chemical weapons attack.
-three hospitals in the Damascus region reported receiving roughly 3,600 patients who showed such symptoms of a chemical weapon attack within less than three hours on Wednesday morning.
-Gov't says Militants did it....Militants say gov't did it.
-UN still can decide what to do.
-More that 100,000 people have died since the beginning of all this.

Gridlock

08-24-2013, 10:53 AM

The UN can't decide what to do because everyone is split down the "usual suspects" lines...China and Russia support Syria, Americans and others do not. This equals a stalemate.

At this point, I could see either side using chem weapons to use to their public relations advantage. In order to turn the stalemate, you need to turn the public opinion...and there is nothing like gassing a few thousand civilians to accomplish that goal.

Honestly, I don't think either side should be supplying them at all. And we all know that both sides are being armed by their associated allies. All you do is prolong suffering by prolonging the war.

Once again, people in another country become the pawns in the games of other countries. As, at this point, there can be no negotiated peace, as US &co has stated that they want Assad gone, so its a fight to the end.

StylinRed

08-24-2013, 11:08 AM

the US can't even deny that AlQaeda is strewn within the rebels as they were initially trying to

now the talking point of supporters of officially intervening (since we've already had reports of hush hush intervention) is "we should support them but just make sure alqaeda doesnt get our weapons"

it's such a shame what the country has turned into nothing but rubble it seems from whatever footage we're getting

G-spec

08-24-2013, 11:13 AM

StylinRed

08-24-2013, 11:50 AM

^^ that's true except one has to remember they're a Qatar news agency and basically saudi arabias bitch. so their news while famed for being unbiased isn't entirely, especially when it comes to topics where its considered shia vs sunni, they're biased towards sunni

and that point has been brought up over the coverage of syria if you google you'll find endless claims of bias towards the sunni factions in syria and an aljazeera reporter that is shia even quit the agency over it

they've been ridiculed over said biases regarding Bahrain as well during their protests (which were squashed by the saudi military)

m!chael

08-24-2013, 11:51 AM

Ooohhh shit. America is coming, and they're bringing freedom with them.

CharlesInCharge

08-24-2013, 12:25 PM

The unfortunate thing about this post is that you are using poor propagandist resources to show legit news stories.

I dig that you, at the very end, posted some credible links, but you know some of your "fans" on RS will not see those.

If you want to appeal to the masses and let people know about all the horrible horrible things currently happening in Syria, stop leading with this Zionist bullshit. If not, people will miss the point.Wait do you actually think Assad is responsible for gassing his people?
This is what Zionist (your credible) news media is stating.

GLOW

08-24-2013, 12:32 PM

if you guys are looking for the most unbiased world news that covers pretty much everything going on in the globe, bookmark Al Jazeera English, they got stuff on there even their TV channel doesn't show....

It's not perfect, but as close to truthful and straightforward as a world class news outlet gets

This is what Zionist (your credible) news media is stating.

CiC what are your thoughts on the Al Jazeera English channel for news around the world?

CharlesInCharge

08-24-2013, 12:37 PM

Its as good as any other Murdoch owned news service.

Graeme S

08-24-2013, 12:39 PM

Wait do you actually think Assad is responsible for gassing his people?
This is what Zionist (your credible) news media is stating.
I don't think any of us can state with certainty which side is doing what to whom, none of us are there, nor do we speak the language of the locals. Whatever we hear is both filtered and translated. Gassing has happened, and we're not sure which side, if not potentially both or neither (independent actors claiming to support one side or the other) has done it. To make any claims or discredit any is equally foolish as the information coming from Syria is incredibly suspect and imperfect.

As an aside, I was listening to the BBC awhile back and heard an interview with someone who was reporting from inside Syria. Interestingly enough, he was less angry about the deaths than the lives. The economy is shot to hell, people are starving and unable to support themselves or their families, and the Syrian nation itself is suffering.

"Nobody is denying the tragedy of the deaths the people here in Syria have suffered. But what about the people who live? Does nobody care that there is no food? No medicine? No jobs or money? A death is an end, but people who live continue. And now, that continuation is nothing but suffering. Where is the outrage for that?"

rsx

08-24-2013, 01:00 PM

I support the Assad regime. The rebels/terrorists are a fractured group from moderates to ultra crazies.

Assad is winning, there's no logical reason for him to gas anyone.

dinosaur

08-24-2013, 01:06 PM

Wait do you actually think Assad is responsible for gassing his people?
This is what Zionist (your credible) news media is stating.

Dinosaur is not going to be baited by CiC.

Soundy

08-24-2013, 02:28 PM

This story has been ALL OVER the "mainstream media" for days... this is not your usual style, Chuck.

BTW, last I heard, Russia and China were both calling for access for UN inspections, too.

tarobbt

08-24-2013, 04:53 PM

This again... We don't know the truth at all to be honest. I posted an article with clear evidence that Syrian rebels were caught with gas agents trying to cross the border in Turkey awhile back. But the US and the Western media are stern on the Syrian regime being the ones using gas agents.

Also Western media are so focused on trying to portray Syria as the evil side that they would rather not explain the fact that Syrian rebels are also bombing and attacking innocent civilians. Sounds like an excuse to jump in the fray against Russia and or China. I'm also not surprised America wants Assad gone as he has always been critical of USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

But it also doesn't change the fact that these Syrian 'Rebels' consist of Terrorist groups wanting control and trying to overthrow the real and legitimate ruler and President of Syria.

So ask yourself, how would you respond to a group of rebels trying to overthrow you?

SkinnyPupp

08-24-2013, 07:56 PM

In more important news, Ben Affleck will be the next Batman

dinamix

08-25-2013, 08:43 AM

Here guys.Its a great watch .

Syria - Full Length | VICE Canada (http://www.vice.com/en_ca/ground-zero/syria-full-length)

m!chael

08-25-2013, 01:47 PM

Soundy

08-25-2013, 08:58 PM

his father had to kill tens of thousands of people to stay in power, that's pretty illegitimate.
And how many Indians did the early Americans wipe out?

rsx

08-26-2013, 03:55 AM

Thoughts on possible US military intervention?

El Bastardo

08-26-2013, 07:40 AM

The Jew-based Amero synagogal venture capitalistic communists will no doubt use the industrial war-machine complex to further oppress the paradise state of Iran (herefore known as "Heaven on Earth") by committing untold atrocities in Syria.

When these feminist pigs and their machine of unclean aggression eventually rolls through the middle east they will bring with them the same level decadence and degradation that led to the downfall of Sodom and Gammorah in an attempt to promote the newest Miley Cyrus video.

The only way to block the NSA microwave signals attached to cockroach transmitters (open your walls, they're there people) is to coat your earlobes in dijon mustard to prevent them coming through. Metal storm authorized on fleeing pirate ship owned by Japanese government order to sink ship given!

When the American government overthrew a South American democracy in the name of a fruit company it ensured milkshakes for all.

This is 2013. Where is Syria's milkshake?

Soundy

08-26-2013, 07:46 AM

^Hahahaha that's awesome, I wish that wasn't too big to .sig ;)

StylinRed

08-26-2013, 10:40 AM

Thoughts on possible US military intervention?

doubt it if

not after the weapons that russias provided, the S300 SAM and putin threatened to deliver the S400 as well. some claim the s300 hasn't been delivered yet some claim they wont be delivered and some claim that they're already deployed in Syria however Israel claims they'll prevent the S300 from becoming operational (reported in Haaretz who quoted Netanyahu)

Also the yakhont anti ship missiles but supposedly Israel destroyed these or some of these already when they bombed Syria (when they said they were preventing weapons being smuggled out)

If those defense weapons are in Syria and operational it'll be a tough one i imagine for US to step in the S300 anti air system is supposedly the best there is (granted there are newer systems)
But if they aren't yet maybe
Also Syrias defense system already is quite good so the answer? Who knows :D keke

Looks like the US might announce strikes right now :lawl: guess they aren't deployed (well they're going to announce something switch on the news)

edit: guess nothing happened John Kerry just came out and gave a powerful statement and that they will be in consultations on what to do and there's no evidence that the Regime did this but their "common sense" says they did
but given the language sounds like they have to do something

belka

08-26-2013, 11:03 AM

They'll probably lob a few hundred cruise missiles into the country. Take out their Air Force and a few runways. The hardest part will be finding those AA sites, but I'm sure their satellites and drones already know where most of them are.

StylinRed

08-26-2013, 11:24 AM

Side note UN Inspectors are in Syria trying to investigate the suspected sites but they're being attacked by snipers unknown from which side for certain (rebels i bet)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23843649

but since the Regime has allowed inspectors all the countries who were blaming Assad say its "too late" :rolleyes:

belka

08-26-2013, 11:50 AM

Side note UN Inspectors are in Syria trying to investigate the suspected sites but they're being attacked by snipers unknown from which side for certain (rebels i bet)

BBC News - Syria crisis: UN complains after inspectors fired on (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23843649)

but since the Regime has allowed inspectors all the countries who were blaming Assad say its "too late" :rolleyes:

I'm sure the UN will send a harsh letter to Syria strongly denouncing their actions. :lawl:

m!chael

08-26-2013, 04:53 PM

shawnly1000

08-26-2013, 05:00 PM

OBAMA ORDERS RELEASE OF REPORT JUSTIFYING SYRIA STRIKE WITH UPDATED TARGETS. CBS.

StylinRed

08-26-2013, 05:07 PM

I also like to compare oranges and apples.

Anyways, I came across this following video. For anyone who thinks Assad and his men are monsters (because the media paints them as such), take a look at this video. It is extremely NSFW, especially at the 8:00 mark. These FSA rebels execute three truckers for simply being Alawites. Again, be warned, it's extremely NSFW.

Free Syrian Army aka Al-Qaeda kills innocent truck drivers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U3EwHqvEAXM#t=605)

yes the Alawites have a major target on them because Assad is one as well
the media actually tried to use Assad protecting Alawites as a negative (alawite sections of cities/towns are being targeted)

same thing happened in Libya where those from the same tribe as Gaddafi were wiped out

rsx

08-26-2013, 07:15 PM

I also like to compare oranges and apples.

Anyways, I came across this following video. For anyone who thinks Assad and his men are monsters (because the media paints them as such), take a look at this video. It is extremely NSFW, especially at the 8:00 mark. These FSA rebels execute three truckers for simply being Alawites. Again, be warned, it's extremely NSFW.

Free Syrian Army aka Al-Qaeda kills innocent truck drivers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U3EwHqvEAXM#t=605)

Ahh there are a lot of executions on both sides. Several videos you can see on LL. Both are ruthless, though the FSA is more the bumbling fool when it comes to actual engagements.

willystyle

08-26-2013, 07:49 PM

Which is the lesser of two evils? Seems like both are terrible. Time for America to instate a puppet state. :P

tarobbt

08-27-2013, 11:47 AM

Interesting to see how America will strike at Syria, this is different situation than Iraq or Libya. A military response could bring in another war as Syria has the backing of Russia and China. It actually doesn't look too good for America on the international front as this time Syria is minding their own business and not pulling a North Korea move by threatening the world with nukes.

Assad brought stability to the country as much as people don't see it, and that is about to be thrown into chaos if outside forces do intervene.

m!chael

08-27-2013, 02:18 PM

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-27-2013, 08:51 PM

so crude oil's shot up like 6 bux in the past 2 days... 3bux alone today after hours.. the day hasn't even started.

russia and china ready to step in if west steps in...

StylinRed

08-27-2013, 09:09 PM

Obama apparently consulted with Harper today/yesterday about syria

i guess canada is going to play a part in this too -_-

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-27-2013, 09:20 PM

UN Official, Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Nerve Gas, Not Assad?s Army | Live Trading News (http://www.livetradingnews.com/un-official-syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-assads-army-6636.htm)

rebels used the gas.

rsx

08-27-2013, 09:22 PM

You have to wonder what military plan they have. Airstrikes? Boots on the ground? Might even turn out to be a bigger mess than Iraq and Afghanistan.

$_$

08-27-2013, 10:18 PM

You have to wonder what military plan they have. Airstrikes? Boots on the ground? Might even turn out to be a bigger mess than Iraq and Afghanistan.

I really doubt the US will make any attempt to move forces on the ground. That will escalate tensions way too rapidly and Russia will not be happy about that. Most likely it will be couple missles here and there, possible air strikes (like in Libya), and aid through weapons.

dinamix

08-27-2013, 10:39 PM

StylinRed

08-27-2013, 11:55 PM

You have to wonder what military plan they have. Airstrikes? Boots on the ground? Might even turn out to be a bigger mess than Iraq and Afghanistan.

all analysts that are spoken to on the news seem to feel airstrikes are unlikely either because of Syrias AA capabilities

the analysts seem to think lobbing missiles from the destroyers will be the only thing seen if even

TOPEC

08-28-2013, 12:05 AM

http://gizmodo.com/how-the-us-would-attack-syria-1207548898

StylinRed

08-28-2013, 02:31 AM

Foreign Policy.com published this story the other day about how the US helped Saddam gas Iran Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran - By Shane Harris and Matthew M. Aid | Foreign Policy (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran)

and they've another good article on the Syria situation
How Assad United the Middle East ? Against Him - By David Kenner and Yochi Dreazen | Foreign Policy (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/27/how_assad_united_the_middle_east_against_him)

xpl0sive

08-28-2013, 11:56 AM

Thanks for the articles... the very last paragraph of the article pretty much summs up what the conflict is all about:

"I'll be very blunt: An Iranian victory in Syria is a major strategic catastrophe from the point of view of Israel, and I think from a Western point of view generally," said Yaari. "In spite of the fact we have our doubts about the nature of the future regime in Syria, Israel's attitude is that the devil we don't know is preferable to the devil we know."

Israel is always at the centre of these conflicts. I wonder why.... And as soon as Israel cries for help, the US jumps. Just shows how much influence the jews have in the US government.

CharlesInCharge

08-28-2013, 02:32 PM

I actually think people in Isreal could be setup for false "Assad chemical attack" flag operations by the Zionist elite if it advances its global goals of world domination.

You only have to look a few decades back with America being the global nuclear watch dog, it used Isreal to destroy Saddam's nuclear electric plants... and this happended after Saddam was notorious for carrying out gas attacks killing over 200,000 people.

The false flag revelations of the terror attacks of the Jewish center in Argentina where 85 people were killed, 300 injured, is another example where people have been used for political reasons.

Breaking news, Obama concludes Assad behind chemical attack.

tarobbt

08-28-2013, 04:24 PM

^^

I would love to see concrete evidence on Assad actually using chemical weapons.

So far from what I gather, the only evidence the US has is that Syria has stockpiles of chemical weapons, the only question is who is using it? The rebels also have access to chemicals too.

It isn't too hard to send a drone or two and watch the action now right?

Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists ? reports ? RT News (http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/)

The sarin gas was found in the homes of suspected Syrian Islamists detained in the southern provinces of Adana and Mersia following a search by Turkish police on Wednesday, reports say. The gas was allegedly going to be used to carry out an attack in the southern Turkish city of Adana.

On Monday, Turkish special anti-terror forces arrested 12 suspected members of the Al-Nusra Front, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group which has been dubbed "the most aggressive and successful arm” of the Syrian rebels. The group was designated a terrorist organization by the United States in December.

We also can't forget how America is also using chemicals in their wars, biggest hypocrites on this planet tbh. Uranium shells are banned in some countries and resolutions were rejected multiple times in the UN. America was one of the countries rejecting the ban.

StylinRed

08-28-2013, 04:55 PM

yes DU shells are strewn all across iraq/afghanistan en masse but the states claim there's no evidence that the du shells are harmful -_-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

dangonay

08-28-2013, 08:55 PM

StylinRed

08-28-2013, 09:30 PM

well Saudi Arabia is supporting the rebels the French too and the US has been in there as well
My bets on Saudi Arabia though (they're vehemently anti-shia/ assad/ gaddafi/etc)

in fact there are some videos from RT where supposed rebel labs were raided with chemical ingredients (chlorine etc) and masks/canisters sourced from saudi arabian companies strewn throughout

but no clue if those labs are actual labs or staged

dinosaur

08-29-2013, 08:58 AM

Soundy

08-29-2013, 09:07 AM

So, Harper has decided to turn a blind eye....

PM Harper: No Canadian military mission planned for Syria at present - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/809221/pm-harper-no-canadian-military-mission-planned-for-syria-at-present/)

Not cool.

As opposed to what... shaking his fist at them?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/396696f19e44c5c88ffdec4395aff6c0/tumblr_mqxe26z1ZD1qksgkqo1_500.jpg

What the fuck else is Canada POSSIBLY going to do? Attempt a beach landing in canoes? Storm the beaches with some (legally registered... maybe) shotguns?

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-29-2013, 11:54 AM

Soundy

08-29-2013, 01:24 PM

I'd like to know who's supplying the Sarin. Sarin breaks down quickly and can only be stored for a few weeks to months depending on the purity of the "ingredients". You don't just get a canister and sit on it until you're ready to use it - time is of the essence.

You can mix the Sarin up just before you use it but that's extremely risky for the people making it. You don't do that in the field. Or you can mix it in the weapon, such as a shell fired from artillery or a bomb. But this is something that's very difficult to do as well.

If the rebels are using Sarin then they're very well connected, IMO.
You sure know a lot about this stuff... :suspicious: :pokerface:

i don't get it... it was less than 50 years ago that the USA used agent orange in vietnam... fucking up their own troops and the vietnamese.

and it was within our lifetimes that the USA and Britain used white phosphorous in the middle east...

does no one realise how hyper hypocritical the west is? LOL.
But... but... they're the Bad Guys<tm>. We're the Good Guys<tm> so it's all okay. :badpokerface:

Not that it justifies anything, but the past examples were used against declared enemies in states of war (with, unfortunately, friendly collateral damage... but then, they knew that was a possibility when they signed up, right?), and all is fair in love and war. On the other hand, SOMEONE in Syria - government or rebels - DIRECTED the gas attacks at civilians... presumably people who have nothing to do with either side of the conflict.

But yeah, there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, that's for fucking sure.

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-29-2013, 01:59 PM

im gonna pull a CiC.

the CIA helped the rebels (al qaeda) get their hands and deploy the gas. there i said it.

PRISM come get me bitch. I'll hide behind CiC's shield of conspiracy, +999 resistance to... resistance.

Sid Vicious

08-29-2013, 02:03 PM

So, Harper has decided to turn a blind eye....

PM Harper: No Canadian military mission planned for Syria at present - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/809221/pm-harper-no-canadian-military-mission-planned-for-syria-at-present/)

Not cool.

if you feel so strongly about getting involved in the conflict, you're welcome to fly overseas and volunteer for the rebels

this is the right decision IMO, canada and the us should not get involved

dangonay

08-29-2013, 02:09 PM

i don't get it... it was less than 50 years ago that the USA used agent orange in vietnam... fucking up their own troops and the vietnamese.

and it was within our lifetimes that the USA and Britain used white phosphorous in the middle east...

does no one realise how hyper hypocritical the west is? LOL.

Sorry, I don't agree. A lot of things change over the years and what was once considered acceptable may no longer be or things that were frowned upon are now OK. You can't call someone a hypocrite based on something they did at a completely different time.

Off topic, but this is something 3rd world countries are complaining about in regards to the environment. We have banned numerous substances and industries because of their effects on the environment. However, many countries that are now just going through their "industrial revolution" don't think they should have to follow the same stringent rules in regards to the environment. In short, they say since countries like the US or UK polluted heavily during their "industrial revolution" it should be OK for them to do the same today in their own country. If the US or UK complain they are "hypocrites" since they once polluted like crazy too. I find that argument ridiculous.

dangonay

08-29-2013, 02:13 PM

You sure know a lot about this stuff... :suspicious: :pokerface:

I Googled it since I was curious. There's lots of information about Sarin around including at the CDC. Understanding how volatile and unstable it is made me think the rebels have to be well connected to be able to get their hands on some. Even more so to be able to actually deliver it to a target. There's a huge difference between getting hold of some guns or rocket launchers and getting hold of a Sarin delivery system.

hotshot1

08-29-2013, 02:16 PM

I've been following this pretty closely since the beginning and everything that's been going on is so fucked up. It's madness. Anyway, I've found that these two videos sum up everything and make the most amount of sense.

Chemical Hypocrisy: Lies and Disinformation on the Road to War - YouTube

The REAL Reason For The Syrian War - YouTube

StylinRed

08-29-2013, 03:17 PM

Sorry, I don't agree. A lot of things change over the years and what was once considered acceptable may no longer be or things that were frowned upon are now OK. You can't call someone a hypocrite based on something they did at a completely different time.

Israel used white phosphorous on Palestinians in 2009, burnt kids faces and limbs right off, no one batted an eye; the more daring even said the Palestinians deserved it because of the militants actions (hell they even hit a UN compound with it! THE UN)
Israel only announced this year that they would begin phasing out its use http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22310544

What really gets me though is all western media outlets are blatantly saying there's no evidence that the rebels even have chemical weapons and capabilities but that's a complete lie as we've seen in this thread already there's vast amounts of evidence that the rebels do

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-29-2013, 03:27 PM

Sorry, I don't agree. A lot of things change over the years and what was once considered acceptable may no longer be or things that were frowned upon are now OK. You can't call someone a hypocrite based on something they did at a completely different time.

Off topic, but this is something 3rd world countries are complaining about in regards to the environment. We have banned numerous substances and industries because of their effects on the environment. However, many countries that are now just going through their "industrial revolution" don't think they should have to follow the same stringent rules in regards to the environment. In short, they say since countries like the US or UK polluted heavily during their "industrial revolution" it should be OK for them to do the same today in their own country. If the US or UK complain they are "hypocrites" since they once polluted like crazy too. I find that argument ridiculous.

the industrial revolution was "a long time ago", global education was different... that was "a different time".

vietnam wasnt along time ago... it wasn't a different time. it was only 50 years ago dude.

and white phosphorous was used by the west in 2004 (iraq), 2009 (Afghanistan), 2011 (libya).

white phosphorous was used by russia extensively in afghanistan too. like every other shell lobbed was white phosphorous.

it seems like only super powers are allowed to use WMD's and get away with it.

it just seems like they're using WMD's as an excuse, regardless whether or not they should be using it or who used it first or whatever.

the USA should have no say, and no right to say anything. They are tainted with a bad history. they have "bad credit" if you will.

if anything, some other global powerhouse that isn't tainted should be saying "no wmds".

would you like a multiple convicted thief leading a global anti-thief movement? especially a thief that hasn't turned around yet? and still steals or has organizations/pawns under him that still steal and do things for his agenda? that's what the west is. hypocritical, deceptive, manipulative, down right egotistical scumbag bullys.

you're right times do change. lol, WMD's will be used again. it only delays the inevitable. someone's gonna bring a gun to the fist fight. someone always does.

so you're telling me if i'm a warlord, it's not ok to release some gas, but it's okay to carpet bomb an entire town instead?

are you telling me if a full out devastating WW/korea/vietnam war broke out, that the USA wont use WMD's?

bullshit, they would be the FIRST ones to use them and rewrite some law and state under some circumstance (whichever one they are in), they are allowed to use it, and they will govern it. blah blah blah.

dinosaur

08-29-2013, 04:33 PM

For fuck sake, minoru_tanaka....at this point I am willing to pay you to state your opinion on something.

It appear all you ever do is fail and thank everyone in random without so much conjuring up your own opinion...which, at this point, I doubt you can even articulate without help from others.

But please...continue your clicking...

dinosaur

08-29-2013, 04:39 PM

if you feel so strongly about getting involved in the conflict, you're welcome to fly overseas and volunteer for the rebels

Well now, ain't that a great retort.

I am confused as to what part of my post indicated that I am on the side of the rebels. I'd also like to point out that nowhere did I indicate that Canada should get involved in at a military level with the country.

I feel strongly about the people who were elected to run this country and participate actively on a global scale (you might know it as the UN), to protect those in countries that can not protect themselves. This is what our leader get paid for.

I am disheartened to hear that our Prime Minister doesn't want anything to do with Syria, even at a Peace Keeping level.

I find it ironic that there are several posts here on RS about China...and the people of China...and the people of China witnessing other people do shitty things and never stepping in. They are called cowards, gross, scum, pieces of shit, etc....but when it comes to something like this, nobody gives a shit because its on the other side of the world.

Again, I say, not cool.

StylinRed

08-29-2013, 04:47 PM

peacekeeping now there's a word that has a lot of dust on it
i bet americans don't even know that word and canada seems to have forgotten it too

dinosaur

08-29-2013, 04:59 PM

peacekeeping now there's a word that has a lot of dust on it
i bet americans don't even know that word and canada seems to have forgotten it too

Yes!! I very much agree with this!

Is 'peace-keeping' something that can be brought back to life? In a situation such as this where there are two sides within one country, one would think there would be a way to intervene.

It was different than Afghanistan and different with Iraq...there was nothing to "Peace Keep" there.

Syria...I think its different.

dangonay

08-29-2013, 05:05 PM

i'm gonna have to side with russia and china on this one. veto their ass out. the USA has some fucking underlying plan as usual.

no bully should become a mediator.

white phosphorous was used by russia extensively in afghanistan too. like every other shell lobbed was white phosphorous.

the USA should have no say, and no right to say anything. They are tainted with a bad history. they have "bad credit" if you will.

if anything, some other global powerhouse that isn't tainted should be saying "no wmds".

So you support Russia in one post yet claim they used phosphorous shells in another? So I guess we can say that Russia is just as hypocritical as the USA? Got it.

And please tell me which other superpower is "untainted". Can you suggest one who we should let handle this situation? Maybe broker some kind of deal? Be allowed to decide what (if any) actions should be taken in Syria? Someone that's completely unbiased and will make a decision purely on the basis of what's best for Syria and its people?

dangonay

08-29-2013, 05:11 PM

Yes!! I very much agree with this!

Is 'peace-keeping' something that can be brought back to life? In a situation such as this where there are two sides within one country, one would think there would be a way to intervene.

It was different than Afghanistan and different with Iraq...there was nothing to "Peace Keep" there.

Syria...I think its different.
I would support peacekeeping with a heavy hand (sounds contradictory I know).

Notify both sides of some very strict rules and if you violate them you're gonna get a cruise missile up your ass. Or worse. Rebels kill 5 civilians? We kill 50 rebels. Same goes for Assad. Anything they do to violate the rules results in extreme consequences. We're not picking sides as to who's right or wrong - we're just severely punishing anyone who gets out of line. Then bring them to the table to hammer out some agreement.

Sometimes it takes a 2x4 to the head to get someone to listen.

Sid Vicious

08-29-2013, 05:13 PM

Well now, ain't that a great retort.

I am confused as to what part of my post indicated tat I am on the side of the rebels. I'd also like to point out that nowhere did I indicate that Canada should get involved in at a military level with the country.

I feel strongly about the people who were elected to run this country and participate actively on a global scale (you might know it as the UN), to protect those in countries that can not protect themselves. This is what our leader get paid for.

I am disheartened to hear that our Prime Minister doesn't want anything to do with Syria, even at a Peace Keeping level.

I find it ironic that there are several posts here on RS about China...and the people of China...and the people of China witnessing other people do shitty things and never stepping in. They are called cowards, gross, scum, pieces of shit, etc....but when it comes to something like this, nobody gives a shit because its on the other side of the world.

Again, I say, not cool.

So best case scenario assad is overthrown what next? I can already predict the political landscape...highly controversial political candidates, infighting amongst the insurgents, messy secretarian warfare

Saddam was overthrown in 2003...10 years later there have been 70+ deaths in august alone.

If the west wants to intervene I just hope they're prepared for another forever war before peace is restored
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xpl0sive

08-29-2013, 05:38 PM

^^ exactly. If Obama decides to stick his nose into this thing, which I think he may have to, if Israel pressures the US into it, then the US is going to be in another war. Another multi-billion dollar war will pretty much put the last nail in the failing US economy's coffin. They will drag Canada down with them in that mess, too. The US cannot afford another war. So those who sit there and demand that the US step in and resolve this issue need to give their heads a shake. Even if the Rebels win, nothing in Syria will change. Just another extremist government will be put in place and the people will still suffer.

SkinnyPupp

08-29-2013, 06:03 PM

I Googled it since I was curious. There's lots of information about Sarin around including at the CDC. Understanding how volatile and unstable it is made me think the rebels have to be well connected to be able to get their hands on some. Even more so to be able to actually deliver it to a target. There's a huge difference between getting hold of some guns or rocket launchers and getting hold of a Sarin delivery system.
I don't think a group has to be particularly 'connected' to make or obtain sarin. After all, it was used not long ago by religious nutjobs in Japan. I don't think their agenda was supported by anyone.

JD¹³

08-29-2013, 06:13 PM

Yes!! I very much agree with this!

Is 'peace-keeping' something that can be brought back to life? In a situation such as this where there are two sides within one country, one would think there would be a way to intervene.

It was different than Afghanistan and different with Iraq...there was nothing to "Peace Keep" there.

Syria...I think its different.
You'd be very wrong. I suggest you take a history lesson on Syria so you can actually understand the ethnical, religious, and political focal point that it is and has been for millenia. You could not have a situation more inappropriate or impossible for a peace keeping force.

There is no victory there in the current conflict. You either allow a ruthless ethnical minority dictator continue to lead with an iron fist (sound like anyone in Iraq?) or you give 'rebels' who are openly connected with the most racidal terrorist organizations in the world control of a central state in the most unstable part of the world.

Harper is smart to keep us out of this. The US will do what it needs to to protect it's interests in the region, as will Russia, and Israel, and Iran, and so on. Canada doesn't need to lose good men and women fighting a moral battle in an immoral battlespace. This is the reality of the modern world.

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-29-2013, 06:17 PM

So you support Russia in one post yet claim they used phosphorous shells in another? So I guess we can say that Russia is just as hypocritical as the USA? Got it.

there's a difference between USA, a nation that does one thing, and says another and tries to appear like some glorious divine holy entity as a blessing for all on earth.

vs

and russia, a nation that does what they say they'll do and doesn't try appear like some good guy. they are exactly who they are. and everyone knows who they are, and what they'll do.

that's the difference.

I would support peacekeeping with a heavy hand (sounds contradictory I know).

Notify both sides of some very strict rules and if you violate them you're gonna get a cruise missile up your ass. Or worse. Rebels kill 5 civilians? We kill 50 rebels. Same goes for Assad. Anything they do to violate the rules results in extreme consequences. We're not picking sides as to who's right or wrong - we're just severely punishing anyone who gets out of line. Then bring them to the table to hammer out some agreement.

Sometimes it takes a 2x4 to the head to get someone to listen.

way to make enemies, how you could potentially face two threats and start a completely separate war with a nation that wasn't even involved in the first place. costing tons of money and lives.

why not just sell weapons to the side that interests you and let them win? it's almost a winwin situation. oh wait... that's.. what.. everyones already doing...

so... if you step in and try to mediate two sides fuelled and backed by basically the whole UN core council... what.. you wanna fight them too? make enemies with both the americans and the chinese and russian? lol.

LiquidTurbo

08-29-2013, 06:46 PM

Ill just leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/5XEJQ1H.jpg
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belka

08-29-2013, 07:08 PM

i bet americans don't even know that word and canada seems to have forgotten it too

The days of Canadian Soldiers wearing blue UN helmets is over, along with our past role as peacekeepers. Most Canadian citizens are still stuck in the past and can't come to the realization that the CF now a combat-capable force.

dinosaur

08-29-2013, 07:18 PM

The days of Canadian Soldiers wearing blue UN helmets is over, along with our past role as peacekeepers. Most Canadian citizens are still stuck in the past

Why do you think that is?

belka

08-29-2013, 07:24 PM

Why do you think that is?

Our recent missions in Kosovo, Afghanistan and recently Libya. All three resulted in thousands of dead people, that is hardly what you call peacekeeping. Also I don't consider missions like Haiti peacekeeping, that is more humanitarian. There is nothing the CF can do directly in Syria besides send in fighters or boots on the ground. Either options will result in bombs being dropped and bullets fired. There has to be peace first before you can keep it. :drunk:

StylinRed

08-29-2013, 07:58 PM

We were always combat-capable, peacekeeping has been far more dangerous than simply dropping bombs from above

Harper has driven our military and our mindset far more into a warring/combat attitude though

and as i mentioned we've forgotten the meaning of peacekeeping but that's thanks to the actions of our administration

imo that's a shame

(i don't think peacekeeping would work in the case of Syria mind you, since it's a proxy war)

Gridlock

08-29-2013, 08:15 PM

No one cares to anymore.

Post 9/11, no one cares what the UN has to say about your war(Iraq) and no one cares what the world has to say about your war(Iraq).

Yeah, you can go in and make a case that so and so did such and such but everyone knows...if you don't get an answer you like, you lie to get the "correct" one.

Shit...they didn't do anything to directly endanger your country? No worries. Bomb them away. That regime ain't gonna change itself.

belka

08-29-2013, 09:58 PM

Harper has driven our military and our mindset far more into a warring/combat attitude though

"We're not the public service of Canada. We're not just another department. We are the Canadian Forces, and our job is to be able to kill people." - Ret. Gen Hillier

StylinRed

08-30-2013, 03:13 AM

Yes I think why the general was so surprised by Canadians reactions when he said this is he's confused our expectations of the military to be knowledge of it's capabilities. All soldiers and militaries should and do have the capability of killing but our role as Canada isn't...wasn't one of warring and killing but rather our identity as a nation was one of defense and peacekeeping so no doubt it came as a surprise to Canadians when general hillier came out and basically said "I'm here to kill" but he was appointed well past 9/11 so it's not a complete shock that someone with his mindset would be promoted to that position (by Martin I believe?)

murd0c

08-30-2013, 06:49 AM

It's true and the right mind frame. Their job is to kill people and if they don't think that way if something was to happen it would make them a weaker opponent. The Canadian Forces has to be ready at the drop of a dime to act if something was to happen, just because we are a peaceful country next to the worlds greatest superpower doesn't mean we can sit back with smiles playing ping pong like forest gump!!

war face - YouTube

MikeyStyle

08-30-2013, 09:25 AM

http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/syria/syria.png

Ulic Qel-Droma

08-30-2013, 11:38 AM

"We're not the public service of Canada. We're not just another department. We are the Canadian Forces, and our job is to be able to kill people." - Ret. Gen Hillier

Yes, well there are a lot of bleeding hearts around who just don't like to see people with helmets and guns. All I can say is, go on and bleed, but it is more important to keep law and order in this society than to be worried about weak-kneed people who don't like the looks of a soldier's helmet. -Trudeau

yes i know, a different situation, but same shit.

ppl think our army issues assault rifles that shoot out rainbows and aid packages. and our jets drop gum balls or something.

tarobbt

08-30-2013, 05:36 PM

Update:

After the fall of Saddam and Iraq in 2003, Assad predicted America would bare it's fangs at his country, Syria and has apparently been preparing for Western intervention since then. Coincidence? You be the judge.

Russia sending multiple warships into the vicinity of Syria. US navy is also in the vicinity waiting for orders.

US officials still have doubts about evidence gathered so far. Questions still remain on who controls the supply of chemical weapons and who is using them. Still no concrete evidence while America continues to threaten Assad.

UN is stern on no intervention until the green light. Thank god for not being trigger happy?

MG1

08-30-2013, 05:50 PM

Perhaps a little off topic....... OK, a lot off topic, but.

Military history of Canada during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quebec, LOL. Never felt like they were part of this country from day one. This didn't help.

Now, if it were today, how many of the New Immigrants we have in Canada would enlist? Would they fight for this country? Back in WWII, Canadians of hinese and Japanese ancestry, enlisted and fought fierce battles. These regiments were often abused, but in the end, they proved to the rest of Canada that immigrants had just as much at stake as the rest of the citizens.

I believe immigrants from countries that have been war torn and ravaged, would fight for this country in a heartbeat, because they have so much to gain, or should I say lose. I know the world is different now (warfare, training, etc.), but in the end, where do people's loyalties lie?

$_$

08-30-2013, 06:26 PM

Perhaps a little off topic....... OK, a lot off topic, but.

Military history of Canada during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_World_War_II)

Quebec, LOL. Never felt like they were part of this country from day one. This didn't help.

Now, if it were today, how many of the New Immigrants we have in Canada would enlist? Would they fight for this country? Back in WWII, Canadians of hinese and Japanese ancestry, enlisted and fought fierce battles. These regiments were often abused, but in the end, they proved to the rest of Canada that immigrants had just as much at stake as the rest of the citizens.

I believe immigrants from countries that have been war torn and ravaged, would fight for this country in a heartbeat, because they have so much to gain, or should I say lose. I know the world is different now (warfare, training, etc.), but in the end, where do people's loyalties lie?

I would fight for Canada because this is my country.

StylinRed

08-30-2013, 07:18 PM

just going to leave this here

George Galloway - 2013-08-29 Parliament on Syria [couchtripper] - YouTube

MG1

08-30-2013, 08:25 PM

Putin gets crazier by the minute. That's what I worry about.

StylinRed

08-30-2013, 08:43 PM

Oh btw this is the evidence that the US released

U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’sUse of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013

The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assess that the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based on human, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open source reporting.

Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and keyinternational partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all availableintelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’sanalysis of what took place.
Syrian Government Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21
A large body of independent sources indicates that a chemical weapons attack took place in theDamascus suburbs on August 21. In addition to U.S. intelligence information, there are accountsfrom international and Syrian medical personnel; videos; witness accounts; thousands of socialmedia reports from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area; journalist accounts; and reports from highly credible nongovernmental organizations.A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in thechemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainlyevolve as we obtain more information.We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weaponsattack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that thescenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The bodyof information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about theattack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between thecapabilities of the regime and the opposition. Our high confidence assessment is the strongest position that the U.S. Intelligence Community can take short of confirmation. We will continueto seek additional information to close gaps in our understanding of what took place.

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Background:
The Syrian regime maintains a stockpile of numerous chemical agents, including mustard, sarin,and VX and has thousands of munitions that can be used to deliver chemical warfare agents.Syrian President Bashar al-Asad is the ultimate decision maker for the chemical weapons program and members of the program are carefully vetted to ensure security and loyalty. TheSyrian Scientific Studies and Research Center (SSRC) – which is subordinate to the SyrianMinistry of Defense – manages Syria’s chemical weapons program.We assess with high confidence that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a smallscale against the opposition multiple times in the last year, including in the Damascus suburbs. This assessment is based on multiple streams of information including reporting of Syrianofficials planning and executing chemical weapons attacks and laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.We assess that the opposition has not used chemical weapons.The Syrian regime has the types of munitions that we assess were used to carry out the attack onAugust 21, and has the ability to strike simultaneously in multiple locations. We have seen noindication that the opposition has carried out a large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack like the one that occurred on August 21.

We assess that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons over the last year primarily to gainthe upper hand or break a stalemate in areas where it has struggled to seize and hold strategicallyvaluable territory. In this regard, we continue to judge that the Syrian regime views chemicalweapons as one of many tools in its arsenal, including air power and ballistic missiles, whichthey indiscriminately use against the opposition.The Syrian regime has initiated an effort to rid the Damascus suburbs of opposition forces usingthe area as a base to stage attacks against regime targets in the capital. The regime has failed toclear dozens of Damascus neighborhoods of opposition elements, including neighborhoodstargeted on August 21, despite employing nearly all of its conventional weapons systems. Weassess that the regime’s frustration with its inability to secure large portions of Damascus mayhave contributed to its decision to use chemical weapons on August 21.

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Preparation:
We have intelligence that leads us to assess that Syrian chemical weapons personnel – including personnel assessed to be associated with the SSRC – were preparing chemical munitions prior tothe attack. In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals and geospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack.Syrian chemical weapons personnel were operating in the Damascus suburb of ‘Adra fromSunday, August 18 until early in the morning on Wednesday, August 21 near an area that theregime uses to mix chemical weapons, including sarin. On August 21, a Syrian regime element prepared for a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus area, including through the utilizationof gas masks. Our intelligence sources in the Damascus area did not detect any indications in thedays prior to the attack that opposition affiliates were planning to use chemical weapons.

The Attack:
Multiple streams of intelligence indicate that the regime executed a rocket and artillery attack against the Damascus suburbs in the early hours of August 21. Satellite detections corroboratethat attacks from a regime-controlled area struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacksreportedly occurred – including Kafr Batna, Jawbar, ‘Ayn Tarma, Darayya, and Mu’addamiyah.This includes the detection of rocket launches from regime controlled territory early in themorning, approximately 90 minutes before the first report of a chemical attack appeared in socialmedia. The lack of flight activity or missile launches also leads us to conclude that the regimeused rockets in the attack.Local social media reports of a chemical attack in the Damascus suburbs began at 2:30 a.m. localtime on August 21. Within the next four hours there were thousands of social media reports onthis attack from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area. Multiple accounts described chemical-filled rockets impacting opposition-controlled areas.Three hospitals in the Damascus area received approximately 3,600 patients displayingsymptoms consistent with nerve agent exposure in less than three hours on the morning of August 21, according to a highly credible international humanitarian organization. The reported symptoms, and the epidemiological pattern of events – characterized by the massive influx of patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical and first aid workers – were consistent with mass exposure to a nerve agent. We also received reportsfrom international and Syrian medical personnel on the ground.

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We have identified one hundred videos attributed to the attack, many of which show largenumbers of bodies exhibiting physical signs consistent with, but not unique to, nerve agentexposure. The reported symptoms of victims included unconsciousness, foaming from the noseand mouth, constricted pupils, rapid heartbeat, and difficulty breathing. Several of the videosshow what appear to be numerous fatalities with no visible injuries, which is consistent withdeath from chemical weapons, and inconsistent with death from small-arms, high-explosivemunitions or blister agents. At least 12 locations are portrayed in the publicly available videos,and a sampling of those videos confirmed that some were shot at the general times and locationsdescribed in the footage.We assess the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate all of the videos, physical symptoms verified by medical personnel and NGOs, and other information associated with this chemical attack.We have a body of information, including past Syrian practice, that leads us to conclude thatregime officials were witting of and directed the attack on August 21. We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N.inspectors obtaining evidence. On the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrianchemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations. At the same time, the regimeintensified the artillery barrage targeting many of the neighborhoods where chemical attacksoccurred. In the 24 hour period after the attack, we detected indications of artillery and rocketfire at a rate approximately four times higher than the ten preceding days. We continued to seeindications of sustained shelling in the neighborhoods up until the morning of August 26.To conclude, there is a substantial body of information that implicates the Syrian government’sresponsibility in the chemical weapons attack that took place on August 21.

As indicated, there is additional intelligence that remains classified because of sources and methods concerns that is being provided to Congress and international partners.

Lomac

08-30-2013, 10:24 PM

^^
May very well be true, but after Iraq and their utter insistence that they had proof of WMD's, it's hard to take their reports at full face value.

StylinRed

08-31-2013, 01:18 AM

dangonay

08-31-2013, 09:03 AM

The fact that they're basically blacking out the fact that Turkey had found rebel hideouts with sarin etc just makes me doubt their report even more; utter media blackout on it in the US too even though you hear it referenced to by some senators/representatives

The fact Turkish rebels had Sarin doesn't prove the attacks in Damascus were from the Rebels either. Both sides could have used chemical weapons, for all we know.

StylinRed

08-31-2013, 03:52 PM

The fact Turkish rebels had Sarin doesn't prove the attacks in Damascus were from the Rebels either. Both sides could have used chemical weapons, for all we know.

i agree, but the fact that they deny the rebels have chemical weapons or the capability to use them (they deny there's any evidence of it) that makes what the US says even more suspicious

SkinnyPupp

08-31-2013, 06:15 PM

And it begins

BBC News - Obama to seek Congress vote on Syria military action (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23916752)

belka

08-31-2013, 06:58 PM

And it begins

BBC News - Obama to seek Congress vote on Syria military action (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23916752)

Really interested to see what comes of this and what role, if any, Canada will play. This could be a good excuse for us to buy the Stealth F35's once our current legacy hornets get obliterated over Syrian airspace. This isn't Libya where the greatest threat was a dude with a shoulder fired missile. Syria has the latest in Russian A/A equipment. I for one wouldn't mind a deployment to Cyprus however unlike Libya, aircraft might not return from a sortie. :(

tarobbt

08-31-2013, 08:03 PM

U.S. President Barack Obama is calling for direct military action in Syria, labelling the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime a "serious danger" to national security.

The president's exhortation comes a day before the United Nations is to provide its first update since weapons-inspection teams left Syria.

U.S. officials have accused the government of using chemical weapons in an area outside Damascus recently, killing 1,429 people, including many children.

"It is the worst chemical attack in the 21st century," Obama said in an address on the White House lawn on Saturday. He also called the alleged chemical weapons attack "an assault on human dignity."

Obama said he would turn to Congress to get the green light to take military action, and that Congress is ready to debate and vote on the issue when it resumes Sept. 9.

Threat to national security...? :suspicious:

Worst chemical attack in the 21st century...? I guess it's a good thing Bradley Manning paid the price to leak all the documents of the outrageous actions of the US military.

Talk about crazy propaganda...

I still don't see how the rebels aren't 'sophisticated' enough to use chemical weapons. It isn't hard if you have the backing of modern nations.

sekin67835

08-31-2013, 08:18 PM

Threat to national security...? :suspicious:

Worst chemical attack in the 21st century...? I guess it's a good thing Bradley Manning paid the price to leak all the documents of the outrageous actions of the US military.

Talk about crazy propaganda...

I still don't see how the rebels aren't 'sophisticated' enough to use chemical weapons. It isn't hard if you have the backing of modern nations.

Wasn't there reports before that it was indeed the rebels who were using chemical attacks? I've been hearing about chemical attacks for a while. Why is the states only stepping up right now? I feel like this doesn't make sense.
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Anjew

08-31-2013, 08:18 PM

lets see what evidence turns up...

Soundy

08-31-2013, 09:53 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1229855_628618187171105_1579157241_n.jpg

http://images.tzaam.com/full/1gr.gif

Soundy

09-01-2013, 08:02 AM

Miley Cyrus Sent To Syria To Make Americans Care About Syria - Free Wood Post (http://www.freewoodpost.com/2013/08/27/miley-cyrus-sent-to-syria-to-make-americans-care-about-syria/)

Gridlock

09-01-2013, 08:32 AM

^^diiiiid we have to bring her back?

CharlesInCharge

09-01-2013, 02:21 PM

George Carlin on American Foreign Policy - Bombing Brown People
George Carlin on American Foreign Policy - Bombing Brown People - YouTube

Jolie, Sarandon, Star Treks Picard, Portman... are either simple minded folk or are playing their roles.
http://carpetbaggery.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/eyes-wide-shut.jpg

Gordon Duff on rebels canister video
Syrian Gas Attack - YouTube

Insurgents received the chemical weapons from Saudi Arabia
Insurgents received the chemical weapons from Saudi Arabia - YouTube

Do not embed my videos mods.

Redlines_Daily

09-01-2013, 02:39 PM

Yes, mods..please do not embedd his videos, I much prefer to copy the URL, open a new window, paste and then scroll back to delete the underscore at the beginning that I didn't notice when I copied. -__-

Graeme S

09-01-2013, 06:16 PM

Do not embed my videos mods.

You do realize this doesn't stop us, right?

tarobbt

09-02-2013, 12:24 AM

I still don't see how a strike at Syria would accomplish anything. Iraq is still in a mess right now and violence is once again on the rise...

All I can say is what a waste of soldiers lives...

Attacks killed 800 Iraqis in August: U.N. | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-iraq-violence-toll-idUSBRE98004B20130901)

(Reuters) - About 800 Iraqis were killed in August, the United Nations said on Sunday, condemning a wave of violence in the country that has reached levels not seen since 2008.

Most of the 804 killed were civilians, targeted in shootings and bombings mainly claimed by the Iraqi wing of al Qaeda. More than 2,000 people were wounded, the U.N. figures showed.

The number of people who were killed last month was however lower than in July, when the U.N. reported that there were 1,057 victims, the highly monthly toll since 2008. Violence in Iraq was at its height in 2006-2007 when the number of people killed per month sometimes exceeded 3,000.

Nearly 5,000 civilians have been killed and 12,000 wounded since the beginning of 2013, the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) said in a statement.

In August, Baghdad was once again the most affected governate, accounting for more than a third of those killed nationwide, the U.N. said.

Since 2008 violence has decreased and a rise in oil revenues has helped to boost the economy. But eighteen months since U.S. troop withdrew, bombing campaigns have increased.

Insurgents have been invigorated by the sectarian conflict in neighboring Syria and have profited from rising political tensions in Iraq.

Ulic Qel-Droma

09-02-2013, 01:17 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1265421_10201283336559184_2077631548_o.jpg

StylinRed

09-02-2013, 04:15 AM

well you could say the UK doesn't support military intervention since they voted no ;)
and the majority of the populations of the UK/US/France don't want intervention

Poll finds 60% of British public oppose UK military action against Syria | Politics | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/31/poll-british-military-action-syria)

Most in U.S. still oppose Syria strike as Obama seeks action | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-usa-poll-idUSBRE97T0UO20130830)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/31/us-syria-crisis-france-poll-idUSBRE97U05120130831

The lawmakers are so against it in France that they'll be getting a look at the supposed Evidence today and there will be a vote on Wednesday in France
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iHUJ7TD2lBqizhNcZ3VejirJ8L5g?docId=CNG.dcd83 9b7b57c39cb7446c341bf750c3e.11

after Obama put it off to congress France seems to be backing out as well

trip

09-02-2013, 01:21 PM

oops...

trip

09-02-2013, 01:21 PM

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/john-kerry-assad-having-cozy-dinner-together-obama-syria-crisis.jpg

Smiles all around as John Kerry, Assad and their wives get cozy for a nice, long dinner in 2009

Graeme S

09-02-2013, 04:11 PM

For anyone interested in details on Sarin gas:

Chemical Weapons (Sarin Gas) - Periodic Table of Videos - YouTube

Anjew

09-03-2013, 03:59 AM

thank you for that video.. i think the use of chemical weapons has been greatly overshadowed and needs to be dealt with immediately before it becomes the norm in warfare. Its very easy for people to protest and give opinions in the safety of their own homes far far away from war torn areas while ignoring that glaring issue.

StylinRed

09-03-2013, 06:46 AM

before it becomes the norm? you realize chemical weapons have been used off and on for...forever right?
Archeologist Uncovers Evidence Of Ancient Chemical Warfare (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090114075921.htm)

and i dont think anyone is ignoring the use of chemical weapons, i think that's what everyone is talking about.. the problem is who is spreading it? or is blaming the guy you dont like and shooting him good enough to satisfy your need to do something?

strykn

09-03-2013, 11:12 AM

Listening to John kerry talk to senate... he's full of so much shit this is hilarious

JD¹³

09-03-2013, 03:07 PM

Listening to John kerry talk to senate... he's full of so much shit this is hilarious
Listening to Kerry and McCain was so brutal I lost all respect I had for both of them. The bullshit flowing out of their mouths, as Vietnam vets, was an absolute embarrassment. Both are sellout hypocrites of the highest regard.

tarobbt

09-03-2013, 09:53 PM

^^

American foreign policy is a joke. I do believe they try to play the sympathy card too much in order to gain support on wars. Apparently citizen bombings are okay but chemical weapons and nukes are not. What is even more ironic is that America sees bombing another country is humane while chemical attacks are a human atrocity. I always love to see the victim number count being pulled up by America but they themselves NEVER release the count on civilian casualties from their bombings, instead they would send Bradley Manning to life in prison for releasing any kind of info regarding their wars.

So far Obama/Kerry have stated that America has the right to strike at Syria whether due process or not.

The UN is warning the US against any kind of coordinated strike as we speak. This is not a good sign in my eyes and the UN is right, if the US decide to go ahead without UN approval this could spark WWIII as it looks like all conditions for a global conflict have been met.

Anyone else besides me also find it funny that Russia and China are trolling America on every UN resolution brought forth :lawl:

SkinnyPupp

09-03-2013, 10:02 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1265421_10201283336559184_2077631548_o.jpg
Reminds me of playing Civ V... I fucking hate a country and would love if it was wiped off the face of the earth... but I make way too much money off them, so I'll do what I can to stop it from happening :fuckthatshit:

CharlesInCharge

09-03-2013, 10:14 PM

http://i41.tinypic.com/fdvnvb.jpg

MG1

09-03-2013, 11:20 PM

Getting closer to 911.......

Redlines_Daily

09-03-2013, 11:29 PM

Anyone else besides me also find it funny that Russia and China are trolling America on every UN resolution brought forth :lawl:

No.

Yodamaster

09-04-2013, 08:58 AM

Gridlock

09-04-2013, 11:08 AM

We don't need another confrontation, and spoon feeding other countries only weakens them for the future anyway. I don't mean to make it sound like Syrians aren't worthy of aid, but they need to learn how to organize themselves and root out evil wherever it is on their own.

Gassing is a terrible way to dispatch anyone, let alone your own people, but it's not our fight to win.

No one has ever been left to fight their own battles.

Even in America's revolutionary war, it was France that put the pressure on to England that ended it. Of course, the american school children will tell you that George Washington ripped the hearts out of every redcoat on american soil himself.

It would be nice to say that its an internal affair of a country, but when you have rebels fighting against the government packed in the back of a Toyota pickup carrying hand me down AK's, you start to realize that their cause isn't going to get very far.

My prediction for what happened. Take it with a grain of salt. The allied world tells them, "chemical weapons is the line. This far, no farther." Pres. Obama himself says exactly that.

Ok.

Boom. Chemical weapons get used.

Shocker.

If someone invites you to use them as a way to get them involved, then they will be used.

This shit, to me, stinks of Iraq. You'd think we'd be wiser.

- kT

09-04-2013, 11:29 AM

^ that last sentence, a thousand times
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Lomac

09-04-2013, 12:01 PM

FYI, back in 2012 Obama had already stated that the line that shouldn't be crossed in Syria was the threat and/or use of chemical weapons by Assad's government.

jasonturbo

09-04-2013, 12:55 PM

Without intervention Syria will be a never ending civil war, Assad will never step down, he has made that quite clear.

According to research by Reuters, Sunni Muslims make up 74 percent of Syria's 22 million population, Alawites 12 percent, Christians 10 percent and Druze 3 percent. However, many in the highest levels of government and military are Alawites, with Sunni Muslims in civilian work or lower military ranks. Although the Alawites make up only 12% of the population, they control an outsized amount of power in the country both in the economy and the military. Alawites are a minority sect of Islam that broke off from Shia Islam 1000 years ago. Their beliefs include the notion that there are many manifestations of God, including Jesus, Mohammed, Socrates, and some ancient Persian sages. The tension between Alawites and Sunni Muslims according to Reuters stems fromt that fact that, "to orthodox Muslims, this eclectic synthesis of Christian, Gnostic, Neoplatonic and Zoroastrian thought violates Islam's key tenet that "there is no God but God."

So you have 12% of the population getting "preferential" treatment, and 74% being treated like second rate citizens - or worse.

If Assad was even willing to consider doing "the right thing", he would start talking with the UN and working towards a resolution aka democratic election.

I feel for the people who just want to live a normal life, not worry about their kids being shot in the street or killed by a random bomb blast etc.. consider the rebels are just normal people, so sick of the status of the nation that they are willing to give up their lives in the interest of improving the country.

I hope the US brings the pain so Syria can get out of limbo and start working towards a functional society.

I <3 'Murica, so long as they keep the Christians under control.

#&$^%#^ religion...

Sid Vicious

09-04-2013, 01:05 PM

with intervention their will be a never ending civil war anyways, look at iraq and afghanistan

people who advocate military action are thinking in the short term. nation building is one of the most difficult things in the universe, and the US doesn't exactly have a good track record with it.

what's the strategy for the long term? elections? what will you do with the syrian military? what happens to the rebels who probably committed atrocities in the same vein as the gov't? how will russia and china respond?

Ulic Qel-Droma

09-04-2013, 01:19 PM

Israeli Cruise Missiles Fired At Syria Destroyed By US Navy | EUTimes.net (http://www.eutimes.net/2013/09/israeli-cruise-missiles-fired-at-syria-destroyed-by-us-navy)

well, i duno how reliable eutimes.net is, but i know you'd never see this on american news sources for sure.

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 01:39 PM

Without intervention Syria will be a never ending civil war, Assad will never step down, he has made that quite clearCan you tell me what percentage of the rebels are Syrian?

jasonturbo

09-04-2013, 02:07 PM

Can you tell me what percentage of the rebels are Syrian?

Is that a serious question?

2M Syrian refugees, perhaps you can ask them?

Graeme S

09-04-2013, 02:22 PM

Can you tell me what percentage of the rebels are Syrian?
Can you?

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 04:02 PM

Is that a serious question?

2M Syrian refugees, perhaps you can ask them?Im very interested on how you based your opinion.

beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?
Over the past half-century, think tanks have become fixtures of American politics, supplying advice to presidents and policymakers, expert testimony on Capitol Hill, and convenient facts and figures to journalists and media specialists. But what are think tanks? Who funds them? What kind of "research" do they produce? Where does their authority come from? And how did they become influential?
/end of rant

I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.

http://i.imgur.com/K28C1Jc.jpg

So when you say something to this effect.

I feel for the people who just want to live a normal life, not worry about their kids being shot in the street or killed by a random bomb blast etc.. consider the rebels are just normal people, so sick of the status of the nation that they are willing to give up their lives in the interest of improving the country.

I hope the US brings the pain so Syria can get out of limbo and start working towards a functional society.

And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.

http://www.portugues.rfi.fr/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef_image/2011-03-29T152209Z_1379377809_GM1E73T1SR101_RTRMADP_3_SYRI A_0.JPG

Syria: PRO-Assad Mass-Demonstration (Nov.2011,Bahrat Square in Damascus) - YouTube

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 04:17 PM

WAR ON SYRIA; 95 Percent Of ‘Syrian Rebels’ (FSA) Are Foreigners; German Intelligence Report
WAR ON SYRIA; 95 Percent Of ?Syrian Rebels? (FSA) Are Foreigners; German Intelligence Report : The Jack Blood Show (http://deadlinelive.info/2012/10/05/war-on-syria-95-percent-of-syrian-rebels-fsa-are-foreigners-german-intelligence-report/)

Yet more confirmation that the Syrian conflict is an external invasion of the country and not a civil war.
It’s been widely reported that some of the countries supplying funding, weapons, and apparently troops, are Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. Note, all these countries have British controlled governments.

Syrian Support Group Inc. (SSG) Director Of Government Relations (ie, terrorism lobbyist) Brian Sayers admitted in his BBC interview that their group is supplying NATO’s Free Syrian Army (FSA) terrorists with money and weapons, and that they would like to be the “single source” conduit for all support (ie, so they can direct arms elsewhere to spread the conflict, and take some money off the top for themselves). Sayers even mentions Qatar and Saudi Arabia as funding the rebels, so this is no secret.

I would second the notion given by Daoud Khairallah in the video below… this is economic warfare.

2012.10.2 95% Of Syrian Rebels Not Syrians, Report (RT, youtube.com):
95% of 'Syrian rebels' not Syrians - report - YouTube

jasonturbo

09-04-2013, 04:47 PM

Interesting, I just did a little DD and have come to the shocking conclusion that you are one of them "truthers"...

Good luck in your fight sir.

Anjew

09-04-2013, 06:45 PM

did you just use RT as a news source? its so freaking biased its almost like a joke.

rsx

09-04-2013, 06:50 PM

There are a lot of non syrians in the rebel forces. But as far as intervention, who the hell gives the right for any nation to break up a civil war. Let them sort it out. I'm a huge fan of the prime directive.

Soundy

09-04-2013, 07:52 PM

Isn't it funny, that Chuckles would be the first in line to throw spitwads at cops, border guards, etc. for engaging in "racial profiling" based on appearances, but he's more than happy to accept it when it supports his own, like in that picture?

I'm amazed at how one can identify a Chechen by his beard, a Libyan by his hat, and an African by... WTF, "African" isn't a nationality; Africa is a fucking CONTINENT. Egyptians and Libyans are both also Africans, fucktard.

Ronin

09-04-2013, 08:03 PM

Assad's wife is rather milfy.

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 08:14 PM

@Soundy
The "Syrian" rebel army graphic is meant to conveys the real situation on the ground aside from the obvious Chechen and yes African (was the person supposed to choose a random black African country like Sawazeele land?), no doubt you are blinded by that because youve been such an Isreali apologist in the Zionist thread.

@rsx do you believe the majority of the rebels are Syrian to call it a civil war? Cite your sources, I doubt even the ZioAmerican news presses even address the obvious foreign numbers in the country.

@Anjew every other news source, except for PressTV has lied about slaughter of 3000 people in the World Trade Centers. Unless you believe the Al qaeda fairytale and are supporting, bringing them to power in Syria? Is that what you want to do, give them a country?

Soundy

09-04-2013, 08:44 PM

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 08:49 PM

What does it matter. Your tax money is funding the empire that is responsible for gassing women and children, you sound like you're defending that.
Dirt poor Arabs from around the planet are flooding Syria and risking their lives for money, not to free Syrian people as their standard of living is probably 5 times better then the way we currently treat the first nations of this land.

http://mondoweiss.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/image-580x435.jpg

edit-
The Libyan people even lived better then you!
Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube

Lomac

09-04-2013, 09:00 PM

Im very interested on how you based your opinion.

beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?

/end of rant

I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.

http://i.imgur.com/K28C1Jc.jpg

So when you say something to this effect.

And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.

Okay, I'm confused now. Serious question: Do you support the rebels or the government? Seems to me that if the majority of rebels are non-Syrian, what makes their attack more "correct" than, say, America swooping in with their rockets and stealth bombers?

Not that I would agree with the USA entering yet another war, mind you.

Anjew

09-04-2013, 09:02 PM

@Anjew every other news source, except for PressTV has lied about slaughter of 3000 people in the World Trade Centers. Unless you believe the Al qaeda fairytale and are supporting, bringing them to power in Syria? Is that what you want to do, give them a country?

i just said they were biased and because of that you accuse me of supporting al qaeda's views? :fulloffuck:

CharlesInCharge

09-04-2013, 09:07 PM

Well when you say RT is not credible, you're saying that the opposite news stations, ours, Europe and the US's, are... because they are one pact.

I support Assad, the U.N. forces, including Canada (if it is truly in the U.N.) , need to protect Syrian people from the mercenaries we are funding.

StylinRed

09-05-2013, 03:40 AM

just a note about CICs post about foreign fighters those same details was just reported on CBC news, the photos are a part of a Channel4 documentary and apparently there are a lot of Canadians joined with extremist rebels
new converts from Calgary at least 30.
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SkinnyPupp

09-05-2013, 06:11 AM

Im very interested on how you based your opinion.

beginning of rant;
You see when I was in high school I knew someone that was accepted into Harvard because she was very smart. If you can imagine, smart people from north America (a population of over 300 million) are generally transported to Harvard where they become even smarter!
The U.S. government, what I like to call the ZioAmerican empire, selects the cream of the crop of these students and hires them to work in what is called "think tanks". They sit around and combine their brain power for various needs of the government.
What are think tanks exactly?

/end of rant

I think you have been greatly mislead into thinking that this rebellion is an internal issue but actually 80-90% of these rebels are none Syrians.

http://i.imgur.com/K28C1Jc.jpg

So when you say something to this effect.

And obviously cant answer what percentage of the rebels are Syrian, Im interested in knowing what news outlets, via think tanks, are misleading you.

http://www.portugues.rfi.fr/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef_image/2011-03-29T152209Z_1379377809_GM1E73T1SR101_RTRMADP_3_SYRI A_0.JPG

Syria: PRO-Assad Mass-Demonstration (Nov.2011,Bahrat Square in Damascus) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGG8fpwP5iA)
Might want to source that bottom picture as it's been floating around for many years.

GLOW

09-05-2013, 07:40 AM

StylinRed

09-05-2013, 08:18 AM

just thought id try to find a source for my comment couldnt find an exact one

Syria conflict attracts Canadians to fight on front line - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/09/04/syria-canadian-extremists.html)

Syria conflict attracts Canadians to fight on front line
Estimates of Canadian jihadi fighters in Syria range from a few dozen to as many as 100

The mother of a young Canadian man currently in Syria has been asking for months how and why her son ended up there among a group of extremist fighters.

"How do you sit there and admit to somebody, my son has gone off to fight in a war where I don't know if he's a terrorist or not?" the mother said to CBC's Adrienne Arsenault.

"Are you going to openly admit that? Probably not. ‘Cause the first thing a mother says is, 'What did I do wrong? How could this be my son? What did I do?"

As she worries about her son, the mother is too scared to reveal her identity.

The situation in Syria threatens to escalate, as a panel of U.S. senators on Wednesday voted to give President Barack Obama the authority to use military action against the Syrian government after the White House said the regime carried out a chemical weapons attack.

Neil Macdonald: Obama’s indecision on Syria strains U.S. credibility
Nahlah Ayed: Syria's been expecting U.S. attack for years
Why there are no good options and so many 'known unknowns' in Syria's civil war
Estimates vary as to how many Canadians are jihadi fighters in Syria. Government estimates and others who track jihadi fighters put the figure at a range of a few dozen to as many as 100 fighting in Syria against the government, a figure that should cause alarm, given that the public number of Americans fighting there is much smaller, meaning Canada may be overrepresented.

"When you look at it in context, it is certainly disproportionate," said John Amble, who researches regional militant Islamic groups.

"The community of which foreign fighters tend to originate is also much smaller in Canada, there are just fewer Muslims," he said.

A Canadian named Abu Muslim was part of a raid on a Syrian airport a few weeks ago, said Bilal Abdul Kareen, an American filmmaker who has lived among an Islamist group for a year.

"He was a part of that process," Kareen said.

A social media report from a jihadi group claims a Canadian was killed in the airport raid, but CBC could not confirm that or track down Abu Muslim's family.

Speaking from Aleppo province, Kareen said he has encountered 20 to 30 Canadians.

CBC News has anecdotal evidence of at least three Canadian deaths in Syria, but the Department of Foreign Affairs has not answered requests for official numbers.

Linked up with extremist group
The young man whose mother spoke with Arsenault had a hard time during his teenage years. There was a suicide attempt, a bipolar diagnosis, isolation, but then apparent salvation. He converted to Islam and calmed down.

"He had found somewhere where he belonged," she said.

But happiness was fleeting. Just before he turned 20, he moved into a boarding house and became secretive, angry and political.

He eventually told his mother he was leaving the country to go to Egypt to study to become an imam.

In November, he left, but didn't go to Egypt. Instead, he went to Istanbul and then Syria, where he joined up with an extremist group.

His mother would get an occasional text, but as the fighting in Syria worsened, his contact became limited and his anger grew.

"When I last talked to him he was so cold, his biggest thing was, 'Canadians are scum, we're all sinners, we're evil, we don't deserve to be on this Earth.' Where did he get that from?" asked the mother.

"Where do you get that from? My son wasn't like that. My son is gone."

CSIS, which had been tracking the young man, and others like him, has no new information on him, she said.

as mentioned its not the exact story I saw this morning at the gym as this one speaks specifically about canadians but maybe its in the video (thats in the link)

And here's a new article about extremist rebels targeting the christian syrians
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/09/05/wrd-syria-us-rebel-attack.html?cmp=rss

Syria rebels linked to al-Qaeda target Christian village
Syria's civil war expected to be discussed at G20 summit in Russia today

Syrian government troops battled al-Qaeda-linked rebels over a regime-held Christian village in western Syria for the second day Thursday, as world leaders gathered in Russia for an economic summit expected to be overshadowed by the prospect of U.S.-led strikes against the Damascus regime.

Residents of Maaloula said the militants entered the village late Wednesday. Rami Abdul-Rahman, director of the Britain-based Observatory for Human Rights, alleged the fighters included members of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra group.

Neil Macdonald: Obama’s indecision on Syria strains U.S. credibility
Despite heavy army presence in the village, Abdul-Rahman said the rebels patrolled its streets on foot and in vehicles, briefly surrounding a church and a mosque before leaving early Thursday.

(more to the story in the link copying and pasting got annoying)

edit i guess CBCNews is too risque for knight604

Ulic Qel-Droma

09-06-2013, 06:45 AM

russia will continue to sell arms to syria is usa strikes

chinese warships enroute to "observe" usa

usa still beating drums of war even though rebels admitted to nerve gas strike last month.

obama speaking to g20. lol. markets tanked temporarily... it's just a scare. at least for today.

StylinRed

09-06-2013, 10:05 AM

russia is sending another ship to the area too

i doubt they would do anything but all this posturing is getting a bit much

luckily the usa doesn't have asias "face" issue :rolleyes:

trip

09-06-2013, 10:18 AM

10 Chemical Weapons Attacks Washington Doesn't Want You to Talk About

10 Chemical Weapons Attacks Washington Doesn't Want You to Talk About (http://www.policymic.com/articles/62023/10-chemical-weapons-attacks-washington-doesn-t-want-you-to-talk-about)

murd0c

09-06-2013, 11:40 AM

Shitty this has happened but at least it happened when all the leaders were meeting. Hopefully this will change Russias outlook but I doubt they will.

Another gas attack in Syria: reports | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/09/06/another-gas-attack-in-syria-reports/)

DAMASCUS (NEWS1130) – Bloomberg News is reporting government forces in Syria have hit Damascus and another city with a gas attack.

This comes as the G20 Summit with world leaders wraps up with no consensus on what to do about the reported attacks.

MORE TO COME

CharlesInCharge

09-06-2013, 12:44 PM

war crimes on film today.

Militants kill Syrian soldiers execution style: Video
PressTV - Militants kill Syrian soldiers execution style: Video (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/322283.html)

StylinRed

09-06-2013, 06:21 PM

rsx

09-06-2013, 07:31 PM

Supposedly Bloomberg took it off their twitter feed soon after posting. How credible is this Al-arabiya when it's Saudi owned.

StylinRed

09-09-2013, 11:05 AM

So breaking news this morning

Russia has proposed that Assad give up Syrias chemical weapons to the international community to prevent attack

Senator Kerry said "sure but assad wont do it"

and then Syria came out and said "Sure we'll hand them all over"

Hillary Clinton came out and said she supports Obama but perhaps Russias plan should be given a chance

And the warmongers are calling BULLSHIT that wont happen this is a ploy!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/09/09/syria-russia-china-us-strike.html

also Assad did a news interview the other day where he maintains that they didn't use chemical weapons

Redlines_Daily

09-09-2013, 01:36 PM

According to my news sources Syria has not said anything close to agreeing to hand over their chemical weapons. They barely admit to having them even though the whole world knows they do.

Kerry didn't agree either, he said they might avoid an attack by putting their chemical weapons under international control and later having them destroyed.

The7even

09-09-2013, 03:06 PM

USA is a warmongering country, it's what it runs on now because the federal reserve banks on it.

GG USA..

belka

09-09-2013, 03:23 PM

USA is a warmongering country,

You don't build floating armadas without the intention of using them. Also, war is good for US weapon manufacturers.

Kokujin

09-09-2013, 11:22 PM

Not sure where to post this but it's related.

What's fucked up is this is from October 2008. Watch and listen to what he says before you judge.

The men behind Barack Obama part 1 - YouTube

The men behind Barack Obama part 2 - YouTube

MG1

09-10-2013, 04:51 AM

Hopefully, it's a quiet day tomorrow. 9-11.

Soundy

09-10-2013, 06:52 AM

Syria says it?ll put its chemical weapons under int?l control | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/09/10/syria-says-itll-put-its-chemical-weapons-under-intl-control/?cid=dlvr.it)

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Syria has accepted a Russian proposal to give up its chemical weapons to the international community in an attempt to avoid a military strike from the United States.

Syria’s foreign minister announced the decision today after meeting with the speaker of Russia’s parliament.

:pokerface:

StylinRed

09-10-2013, 11:34 AM

Obama has put off the US senate vote too but CNN is saying it's not because of this news but rather Obama didn't have the votes anyways

Not sure where to post this but it's related.

What's fucked up is this is from October 2008. Watch and listen to what he says before you judge.

The men behind Barack Obama part 1 - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=MouUJNG8f2k)

The men behind Barack Obama part 2 - YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms&feature=relmfu)

he doesn't really say much, most of which people know, Russia and China are headed(are there) to be world superpowers (stomping the west) and the fight for resources/allies is going on in Africa/Mid East

All he really adds are those bankers that he claims are pulling Obamas puppet strings and well we all know there are bankers behind presidents trying to pull strings but is he right about which bankers in particular? who knows who cares? as mentioned its expected that there will be wealthy/powerful people/corporations trying to get what they want out of policy makers

Lomac

09-10-2013, 12:03 PM

Obama has put off the US senate vote too but CNN is saying it's not because of this news but rather Obama didn't have the votes anyways

I can't find it at the moment, but BBC had a pretty good graph showing all the different members who were either for or against it, along with those who were likely to vote in either direction. It may not have been entirely accurate but it definitely painted a picture showing that maybe only 1/3 of the senate would have been for a "limited" attack, while the other 2/3's were against it.

StylinRed

09-10-2013, 12:06 PM

^^ yeah i saw something similar, I'm quite surprised though I thought it was going to end up a media hype as the senate not wanting to vote Obamas way but in the end the vote would turn out overwhelmingly in Obamas favour

Gridlock

09-10-2013, 12:07 PM

This has about as much to do with the people of Syria as it was the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Syria sits next to Israel. So therefore, they would want a government that is either friendly to their interests(preferred) or too busy/bloody to care. A good insurrection does keep them focused on the home front.

Russia lacks allies in the region. Syria happens to be one of them. Therefore, Russia will support Syria to a) keep an ally and b) that ally is making things bad for a competitor-Russia.

Of course, there are oil politics involved. There is a matter of a competing pipelines to think about involving different countries within the region.

In fact, several Arab countries are willing to pay for the US to overthrow the Syrian government.

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., asked for an estimated amount the Arabs might contribute. Kerry replied that they offered to pay for a full invasion.

“In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/is-this-what-syria-war-really-about/#6FTdU65ZvFcOUUjL.99

So you tell me, does that sound at all like a war about saving the kittens? Nope.

That to me is "get rid of someone not playing ball like you have done so many times before. And! As an added bonus, seeing as the new Iraq isn't paying off yet-we'll fund it."

So why won't congress sign off on this? Because no one wants to actually be the guy that says yes to sending more troops to some middle eastern country to make yet another mess that is going to blow up in their faces in 20 years.

belka

09-10-2013, 02:55 PM

This has about as much to do with the people of Syria as it was the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Syria sits next to Israel.

If anything, this shows that the Syrian people, or people in Syria for that matter, can't live peacefully without lobbing exploding things at each other. If they can't start acting like adults, it's time for someone to step in and quiet the children.

StylinRed

09-10-2013, 03:45 PM

If anything, this shows that the Syrian people, or people in Syria for that matter, can't live peacefully without lobbing exploding things at each other. If they can't start acting like adults, it's time for someone to step in and quiet the children.

except its the outsiders that are instigating the fighting like saudi arabia

TatsuyaKataoka

09-10-2013, 05:03 PM

Saw Obama's address. He called the opposition "moderate"...

dangonay

09-10-2013, 05:38 PM

except its the outsiders that are instigating the fighting like saudi arabia

Watch the first 40 seconds...

Russel Peter goes clubbing in Lebanon - YouTube

PeanutButter

09-10-2013, 06:48 PM

Gridlock

09-10-2013, 09:03 PM

I'm sorry, but you don't put out an invitation if you don't want people to come to the party.

Obama said publicly that Syria using chemical weapons would change the way that they viewed the situation in Syria in regards to intervention.

Well no shit Syria used chemical weapons. And no shit Russia brokers a truce that asks them to give them up. Killing 1000 people, sadly, is not a big thing to accomplish for a government. Even easier if its people you don't like.

It embarasses the Americans. What can they do now? Sit there and say, "well shit yeah...I guess we'll wait, and see...but if you screw up again, why I'll such and such and so and so."

Ch28

09-12-2013, 12:11 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0

A Plea for Caution From Russia
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

Much more in the link

SkinnyPupp

09-12-2013, 02:07 AM

So to just get this straight, the US will not bomb Syria as Obama wants congress to hold off voting until Syria gives up their chemical weapons to be destroyed?
And if Syria gives up their chemical weapons there will be no attack?

On another note, I found it interesting how he concluded his speech with, "God bless you and God bless the United States of America".
That whole fucking speech was creepy... The way it was so rehearsed to get the public on their side to support war.. showing all these pictures of people, etc...

Yet they bomb innocent people and children every day with drones...

will068

09-15-2013, 12:15 AM

Someone grave dug a thread in a different forum a traverse from January. I'm very skeptical, but just wow if it is true.

FLASHBACK, JANUARY: UK?s Daily Mail Publishes Story Saying Obama Plans To Launch Chemical Attack On Syrian Civilians, Blame Assad « Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2013/09/flashback-january-uks-daily-mail-publishes-story-saying-obama-plans-to-launch-chemical-attack-on-syrian-civilians-blame-assad/)

U.S. 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad's regime'

Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'
Obama issued warning to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that use of chemical warfare was 'totally unacceptable'

By Louise Boyle

PUBLISHED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013 | UPDATED: 14:16 EST, 29 January 2013

Leaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed on Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country.

A report released on Monday contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence where a scheme 'approved by Washington' is outlined explaining that Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons.

Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

It reads: 'Phil... We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

'We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.

'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.

'Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?

'Kind regards, David.'

Britam Defence had not yet returned a request for comment to MailOnline.

The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumés and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.

Dave Goulding's Linkedin profile lists him as Business Development Director at Britam Defence Ltd in Security and Investigations. A business networking profile for Phil Doughty lists him as Chief Operationg Officer for Britam, United Arab Emirates, Security and Investigations.

The U.S. State Department had not returned a request for comment on the alleged emails to MailOnline today at time of publication.

However the use of chemical warfare was raised at a press briefing in D.C. on January 28.

A spokesman said that the U.S. joined the international community in 'setting common redlines about the consequences of using chemical weapons'.

A leaked U.S. government cable revealed that the Syrian army more than likely had used chemical weapons during an attack in the city of Homs in December.

The document, revealed in The Cable, revealed the findings of an investigation by Scott Frederic Kilner, the U.S. consul general in Istanbul, into accusations that the Syrian army used chemical weapons in the December 23 attack.

An Obama administration official who had access to the document was reported as saying: 'We can't definitely say 100 per cent, but Syrian contacts made a compelling case that Agent 15 was used in Homs on Dec. 23.'

Mr Kilner's investigation included interviews with civilians, doctors, and rebels present during the attack, as well as the former general and head of the Syrian WMD program, Mustafa al-Sheikh.

Dr. Nashwan Abu Abdo, a neurologist in Homs, is certain chemical weapons were used. He told The Cable: 'It was a chemical weapon, we are sure of that, because tear gas can't cause the death of people.'

Eye witness accounts from the investigation revealed that a tank launched chemical weapons and caused people exposed to them to suffer nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, delirium, seizures, and respiratory distress.

The symptoms suggest that the weaponized compound Agent-15 was responsible. Syria denied using chemical weapons and said it would never use them against citizens.

Speaking to Pentagon reporters at the time, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said his biggest concern was how the U.S. and allies would secure the chemical and biological weapons sites scattered across Syria and ensure the components don't end up in the wrong hands if the regime falls, particularly under violent conditions.

Government forces and rebels in Syria have both been accused by human rights groups of carrying out brutal warfare in the 22-month-old conflict, which has claimed more than 60,000 lives.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html#ixzz2JPINOEFp
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Graeme S

09-15-2013, 12:28 AM

"according to inforwars.com"..."Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington."

So hang on: It's an email that inforwars is claiming they've received where someone is claiming that some Qataris are proposing a plan that they claim is supported by officials in Washington.

Nice.

dangonay

09-15-2013, 07:44 AM

I wrote a custom plug-in for my browser that searches for key words like Alex Jones or Infowars and then highlights the entire post in red. It makes it super quick to weed out all the useless information.
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tarobbt

09-18-2013, 08:48 PM

Update:

US gives Syria 1 month in order to dismantle chemical weapons or face consequences.

Syria now has next year to dismantle all it's chemical weapons.

Even though the US still hold a large stockpile of their own chemical weapons and after all these decades still hasn't disposed of everything.

:fulloffuck:

Either way, WWIII averted, for now. :thumbs:

According to the U.S. Army Chemical Materials Agency by January, 2012, the United States had destroyed 89.75% of the original stockpile of nearly 31,100 metric tons (30,609 long tons) of nerve and mustard agents declared in 1997.[23] The U.S. disposed of the more dangerous modern chemical weapons before starting the destruction of its older mustard gas stockpile which presented additional difficulties due to the poor condition of some of the shells. Of the weapons destroyed up to 2006, 500 tons were mustard gas and the majority were other agents such as VX and sarin (GB) (86% of the latter was destroyed by April 2006).[24]

13,996 metric tons (13,775 long tons) of prohibited weapons had been destroyed by June 2007 to meet the Phase III quota and deadline.[25] The original commitment in Phase III required all countries to have 45 percent of the chemical stockpiles destroyed by April 2004. Anticipating the failure to meet this deadline, the Bush administration in September 2003 requested a new deadline of December 2007 for Phase III and announced a probable need for an extension until April 2012 for Phase IV, total destruction (requests for deadline extensions cannot formally be made until 12 months before the original deadline). This extension procedure spelled out in the treaty has been utilized by other countries, including Russia and the unnamed "state party". Although April 2012 is the latest date allowed by the treaty, the U.S. also noted that this deadline may not be met due to environmental challenges and the U.S. decision to destroy leaking individual chemical shells before bulk storage chemical weapons.[26][27]

The primary remaining chemical weapon storage facilities in the U.S. are Pueblo Chemical Depot in Colorado and Blue Grass Army Depot in Kentucky.[28] These two facilities hold 10.25% of the U.S. 1997 declared stockpile and destruction operations are under the Program Executive Office, Assembled Chemical Weapons Alternatives.[29] Other non-stockpile agents (usually test kits) or old buried munitions are occasionally found and are sometimes destroyed in place.

Disposal of chemical munitions has concluded at seven of the U.S.'s nine chemical depots (89.75% stockpile reduction). Pueblo and Blue Grass are constructing pilot plans to test novel methods of disposal. The U.S. also uses mobile treatment systems to treat chemical test samples and individual shells without requiring transport from the artillery ranges and abandoned munitions depots where they are occasionally found. The destruction facility for Pueblo is expected to be completed in 2012 with disposal occurring between 2015 and 2017. Blue Grass is expected to complete operation by 2021.[30]

In 1988–1990, the destruction of munitions containing BZ, a non-lethal hallucinating agent at Pine Bluff Chemical Activity in Arkansas. Hawthorne Army Depot in Nevada destroyed all M687 chemical artillery shells and 458 metric tons of binary precursor chemicals by July 1999. Operations were completed at Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Disposal System where all 640 metric tons of chemical agents were destroyed by 2000 and at Edgewood Chemical Activity in Maryland, with 1,472 metric tons of agents destroyed by February 2006. All DF and QL, chemical weapons precursors, were destroyed in 2006 at Pine Bluff. Newport Chemical Depot in Indiana began destruction operations in May, 2005 and completed operations on August 8, 2008, disposing of 1,152 tonnes of agents. Pine Bluff completed destruction of 3,850 tons of weapons on November 12, 2010. Anniston Chemical Activity in Alabama completed disposal on September 22, 2011. Umatilla Chemical Depot in Oregon finished disposal on October 25, 2011. Tooele Chemical Demilitarization Facility at Deseret Chemical Depot in Utah finished disposal on January 21, 2012.[23]