[Timpo]

2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO To Do 0-60 MPH In 2.0 Seconds?
BY Viknesh Vijayenthiran Jul 31, 2013

The latest iteration of the Nissan GT-R can already hit 60 mph from rest in a blistering 2.7 seconds but that number is expected to drop with the arrival of a more potent GT-R NISMO model currently in the works.

Set for a reveal at the 2013 Tokyo Motor Show in November, the GT-R NISMO is tipped to have more than 570 horsepower and be capable of setting a new production car lap record at the Nürburgring.

It is now being reported that this ‘super GT-R’ will also be able to accelerate from 0-60 mph in 2.0 seconds. Yes, you read that correctly. Just two seconds!

The information comes from a Nissan insider and was reported by Auto Express. If true, the GT-R NISMO will be the quickest-accelerating production car ever launched. The current holder of that title is the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, which needs 2.5 seconds to reach 60 mph.

Helping with the car’s development is none other than the Williams F1 Team, well, the team’s technology offshoot, Williams Advanced Engineering, to be more accurate. One Williams engineer also revealed to the British magazine that the GT-R still has a lot of tuning potential.

Key to the GT-R NISMO’s performance will be lighter weight and more power. We’d expect some upgrades to the car’s six-speed dual-clutch transmission would also be necessary to deliver such an astonishing acceleration time.
The car should reach showrooms next spring as a 2015 model.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2014-nissan-gt-r-track-edition_100418065_l.jpg

[smoothie.]

Thanks Timpo.
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[hud 91gt]

I have no doubt's a new GTR could take the fastest production 0-60 time. But I think gaining .7 seconds might be a bit optimistic.

[Akinari]

This will certainly be interesting, and if it does in fact achieve 0-60 in 2 seconds, I will be amazed.

[radioman]

I recall seeing a video on youtube with them explaining if they reduced the weight of the car it would have a slower 0-60 because it needed the weight to put the power to the ground.

Maybe timpo can elaborate on that more :D

[xpl0sive]

It would need to have a clutch/tranny that can actually hold up when using lauch control in order for the car to actually achive the quoted 0-60 time. difference between the Veyron and the GT-R is that the Veyron was designed and built to do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds every day for the next 20 years. (and about $1.5 million). Judging by Nissan's previous launch control fiasco, I'm skeptical to say the same about the GT-R... How many times will the GT-R be able to do 0-60 in 2.0 seconds? 5 times? 10 times?

[DragonChi]

How many times can you do 0-60 in 2 seconds before the transmission blows up and Nissan voids your warranty for doing it?

Edit, didn't read the post above. I'm pretty much saying the same thing.

[kleensleper]

Doing 0-60 for Bragging rights till the tranny blows up.

[badboy]

OMG 2 SECONDS!?:fulloffuck:

[dinamix]

Its ugly....why are they releasing it early?it looks like the old GTR
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[boostfever]

Its ugly....why are they releasing it early?it looks like the old GTR
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do you expect them to re design the car every 3 years?

look at Gallardo, it's been in production forever and they only changed the headlights/tailights after 5 years.

[Phil@rise]

So glad we have timpo to keep us up to date on all that is GTR!!

[StylinRed]

believe it when i see it

2.0 that's :fulloffuck:

[meme405]

Who cares if it only does 0-60 in 2 seconds once.

The car still did it and the record would stand. Realistically even at 2.7 seconds, the fact that the car is 1/12th the price (or less) of a veyron its absolutely astonishing.

I'm with Timpo here, the GTR is a very impressive vehicle from a technological and statistical standpoint.

[TatsuyaKataoka]

Holy fuck...

2.0 STOCK?! If it comes stateside I can't wait to see what AMS does to it.

[BBMme]

Wtf, that's crazy. O-60 is like cell phone screen size, when will it end.
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[BrRsn]

I too am with timpo

brb whacking off to my nismo posters

[Redlines_Daily]

Wtf, that's crazy. O-60 is like cell phone screen size, when will it end.
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What

[dark0821]

lol.. i think BBMine was trying to say how all smart phones are trying to outgun each other with ever increasing screen size...

same thing for cars... everyone is trying to out gun the other manufacture by having a lower 0-60 times... more so than even top speed, because a 0-60 time can be experienced legally on a highway on ramp... top speed legally? maybe a handful of tracks around the world

[CP.AR]

2 seconds? Dammit I can't even close my door in that timeframe

[westopher]

I just don't get how its possible. Why do cars of a similar weight all need 1000hp to do it? I don't understand how gearing, traction, and aero can mathematically make it happen. 570hp moving a 3800 lb car to 60mph in 2 seconds just doesn't seem possible, even with all the robot driving double clutch transmission tech in the world.

[tofu1413]

^ gearing, traction (those stupid grippy tires and their width) and the ATTESA-ETS being tuned for optimal acceleration runs.

I got to drive a pre owned GTR at work... and punched it from a stand still (without the "launch control") the car felt like this: rear wheels have a slight slip and by the time u feel it start to completely slip and spin, the front wheels have a huge front end bite of grip and you'd get hurled into speed. That's the only way I can describe it... the AWD system reacts really quickly

[boostfever]

^ gearing, traction (those stupid grippy tires and their width) and the ATTESA-ETS being tuned for optimal acceleration runs.

I got to drive a pre owned GTR at work... and punched it from a stand still (without the "launch control") the car felt like this: rear wheels have a slight slip and by the time u feel it start to completely slip and spin, the front wheels have a huge front end bite of grip and you'd get hurled into speed. That's the only way I can describe it... the AWD system reacts really quickly

it's very boring to drive :troll:

you should take one to twisties. it's like a fucking roller coaster

[tofu1413]

around the city... it drives like a G37.. cept crappier ride quality. Its a bulky car as well.

It is fast... but I find the Exige a more exciting car to drive for the money. GTR feels a bit too refined for me, besides the ride.

[Marshall Placid]

^ gearing, traction (those stupid grippy tires and their width) and the ATTESA-ETS being tuned for optimal acceleration runs.

I got to drive a pre owned GTR at work... and punched it from a stand still (without the "launch control") the car felt like this: rear wheels have a slight slip and by the time u feel it start to completely slip and spin, the front wheels have a huge front end bite of grip and you'd get hurled into speed. That's the only way I can describe it... the AWD system reacts really quickly

Not an expert myself, but I think you are referring to the AWD's torque differential that transfers power between the front and rear and vice versa.

Making AWD vehicles fun to drive (in a sense anyway) in a straight line AND when cornering.

[Harvey Specter]

I've never been a fan of the styling of the GTR but it is one amazing car.

[Splinter]

I just don't get how its possible. Why do cars of a similar weight all need 1000hp to do it? I don't understand how gearing, traction, and aero can mathematically make it happen. 570hp moving a 3800 lb car to 60mph in 2 seconds just doesn't seem possible, even with all the robot driving double clutch transmission tech in the world.

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:

[tofu1413]

Not an expert myself, but I think you are referring to the AWD's torque differential that transfers power between the front and rear and vice versa.

Making AWD vehicles fun to drive (in a sense anyway) in a straight line AND when cornering.

Power transfer is quick!

[Timpo]

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:

true, if you ever see a slow camera on how high performance cars launch, there actually is a lot more wheel spin and power loss than you think.
sophisticated launch control will hopefully fix this problem.
Mizuno san also said how efficient GT-R's drive trains are...thus, less power loss.

on a side note...I'm not a physics guy and didn't understand your formula at all

[westopher]

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:I'm a chef, so I have the math skills of a 4 year old, so I'm just gonna nod my head and thank you, assuming it makes sense.

[lowside67]

I don't really understand why this is a thread. This isn't an announcement, a review, or anything other than some random person speculating/dreaming that the 2015 GTR will achieve this. Who the fuck is Viknesh Vijayenthiran?

I realize this is a Timpo thread but this thread has less content than even the average fucking Timpo thread.

Might as well have started this thread:

"2018 Porsche 992 to have 5 wheels"

[Timpo]

Who the fuck is Viknesh Vijayenthiran?Our Writers | High Gear Media (http://www.highgearmedia.com/user/10001739_viknesh-vijayenthiran)

[lowside67]

Yeah I can Google too. He also comes up for Fox News... super trustworthy! I guess a better question is who is High Gear Media and what does Viknesh know that the rest of the world doesn't about the new GTR?

[Marshall Placid]

Power transfer is quick!

I double checked some facts about Nissan's AWD system and how the heck it could be faster than cars with the same HP that costs twice as much:

Nissan GT-R's Secret - ATTESA E-TS AWD System Explained (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/nissan-gt-r-s-secret-attesa-e-ts-awd-system-explained-35006.html)

Interesting read.

AWD, at least during the initial short-distance drag racing, for Nissan, makes it quicker than many, many cars.

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:

Interesting take.

Just want to add the following:

Only 415hp required?

Did you factor in the power loss from crank to wheels?

And... head-wind speed?

I think it is around 15% to 25% for AWD.

So, 415hp, assuming 25% power loss is:

553hp.

The current GT-R, 2012 model, produces 542hp (crank).

So, the newest rendition proposed by the article's writer should be around 553hp and should be doable, with a little tweak here and there.

[dared3vil0]

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:

Little thing called traction/ Not always being at your exact perfect powerband spot/ time it takes to shift etc etc etc.

[Splinter]

Little thing called traction/ Not always being at your exact perfect powerband spot/ time it takes to shift etc etc etc.

That's why I specified to the ground, and average :)

[NKC ONE]

Very interesting. There's already a lot of respect for this car and if the GTR can actually hit 60 in 2 then wow, it'll be on a whole new level. I really don't care how they do it, as long as they claim they would then I'm sure they will. Now let's wait and see.

[Splinter]

All that being said, I really, really doubt it will. As others have posted, there is almost no room for losses with those numbers.

[Timpo]

I double checked some facts about Nissan's AWD system and how the heck it could be faster than cars with the same HP that costs twice as much:

Nissan GT-R's Secret - ATTESA E-TS AWD System Explained (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/nissan-gt-r-s-secret-attesa-e-ts-awd-system-explained-35006.html)

Interesting read.

AWD, at least during the initial short-distance drag racing, for Nissan, makes it quicker than many, many cars.



Interesting take.

Just want to add the following:

Only 415hp required?

Did you factor in the power loss from crank to wheels?

And... head-wind speed?

I think it is around 15% to 25% for AWD.

So, 415hp, assuming 25% power loss is:

553hp.

The current GT-R, 2012 model, produces 542hp (crank).

So, the newest rendition proposed by the article's writer should be around 553hp and should be doable, with a little tweak here and there.

No, it's 10% for GT-R...I've seen Mizuno san (GT-R chief engineer) saying the same thing as well

What % Drivetrain Loss? - R35 GT-R - GT-R Life (http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/40886-what-drivetrain-loss/)

[shenmecar]

e = 1/2mV^2
e = 1/2(3800lb)*(60mph)^2
e = 620kJ
620kJ / 2 seconds = 415hp

Average horsepower to the ground of 415 over 2 seconds. Doable.

Science! :nyan:

my friend, you are simply calculating the kinetic energy of a 3800 lbs object traveling at a constant 60 mph.

[Splinter]

my friend, you are simply calculating the kinetic energy of a 3800 lbs object traveling at a constant 60 mph.

Yes, yes I am.

And energy is conserved, so the energy required to accelerate an object to that constant speed is equal to the kinetic energy at that speed.

[shenmecar]

Yes, yes I am.

And energy is conserved, so the energy required to accelerate an object to that constant speed is equal to the kinetic energy at that speed.

in a physics utopia on a frictionless road and in vacuum (no air resistance).

[Splinter]

in a physics utopia on a frictionless road and in vacuum (no air resistance).

On a frictionless road you wouldn't move. So. No, not that.

[Splinter]

Air resistance on a GTR at 60mph:
D = 1/2pV^2*C*A
D = 1/2 * (1.204kg/m^3) * (60mph)^2 * .32 * 6.08ft^2
D = 17.5 pounds

Negligible.

[shenmecar]

On a frictionless road you wouldn't move. So. No, not that.

notice I didn't use the term "car". I used the term "object". How it started to move to a constant velocity on a frictionless surface is beyond me. But somehow it did, and your formula is calculating the KE of that object.

I'm not going to go any further into this kinematics debate. This is about the GTR after all. My only point is that you are neglecting a lot of variables (thermodynamics for example) which plays a crucial point. Have you even considered the horsepower wasted in form of heat due to the inefficiency of the engine? For you to say that the GTR has more power than your theoretical 415 hp and claim that it is "doable" for it to achieve 0-60 in 2.0 s is flawed.

[Splinter]

(have you even considered the horsepower wasted in form of heat due to the inefficiency of the engine?)

Yes, I have considered that. And so do the manufacturers of cars when they release horsepower numbers. Horsepower numbers don't include waste heat.

You need to stop having this conversation, you look foolish. I was very specific. Horsepower applied to the road, and average horsepower. Yes, you obviously need higher than 415hp peak to hit that time, that's what average means. All I said is that it was physically possible, not that it was likely or has happened.

[shenmecar]

Yes, I have considered that. And so do the manufacturers of cars when they release horsepower numbers. Horsepower numbers don't include waste heat.

You need to stop having this conversation, you look foolish. I was very specific. Horsepower applied to the road, and average horsepower. Yes, you obviously need higher than 415hp peak to hit that time, that's what average means. All I said is that it was physically possible, not that it was likely or has happened.

Well that just solves everything.

[FerrariEnzo]

so does this mean that we will start seeing this Nismo GTR here once its released driving by mainlanders thinking they are race car drivers who in fact cant drive and drive like shit then goes to MM design to make it look the part???


back on topic,
cant wait til Top Gear does a review and stig ripping it around their track.. will it beat the Pagani Huayra

[Timpo]

As we know Honda engineers announced that NSX will be faster than the GT-R...they probably were aiming for 2.5 seconds or so but now need to aim for 1.9 seconds LOL

[snails]

^ vtec>physics

:troll:

[ringmaster]

I am a huge R35 fan but that does sound like an optimistic claim.

Maybe with 600hp+ and something even better than LC4.

I really want to see a factory-built GT-R that weighs 5% less (37XX lbs) and traps at 125mph stock :)

[Mancini]

Two seconds? That's what she said.
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[Timpo]

Two seconds? That's what she said.
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who? :confused:

[AzNightmare]

:lol
typical.
Timpo and his "I don't get it."

[tofu1413]

Nismo GT-R Nissan Testing Spy Car Nurburgring - YouTube

[Yodamaster]

What is racecar?

[Marco911]

Holy fuck...

2.0 STOCK?! If it comes stateside I can't wait to see what AMS does to it.

Holy fuck is right. I'm expecting them to cut at least 2.5s off that time! Can't wait for the GTR time machine!!

[thumper]

is it spring yet for the new GT-R? because...

Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet v Nissan GT-R | evo DRAG BATTLE - YouTube

[multicartual]

Blah blah blah only fucking nerds will own either and your grandmother could beat you 0-60 or in the 1/4 mile with 0 drama


Fucking cars are gay now because they are no longer visceral, look at buddy's face in the Porsche, he looks like he's taking a dump and wondering if he should cook chicken for dinner or have a kale smoothie


Unless you're wheelstanding a car at the drag strip it is no longer an accomplishment to go fast in the same way it is no longer an accomplishment to fuck 4 girls in a week due to Tinder. Electronics have reduced our fun to nothing more than "Launch mode" or "Swipe right"


Fuck this I need to build a car that wheelstands

[multicartual]

Look how straight they go, what's the difference between sitting on an airplane and just letting the Captain get you in the air? Fucking ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


I guess that is why tuners build 800+ rwhp versions that can actually blow off all 4 tires and they take some skill to drive. I remember Counter-Strike pre-source where bitches would use the AWP and jump snipe. It just required much less skill than any other gun in the game and everyone knew it was a bitch move to use it. My arch-nemesis Phodem and his brother Naem eventually stopped being fags and we would have AK duels that would result in draws most of the time, that proved some real fucking skill.


Think of it like this, now whenever you want to race someone whether it's at the track or a back country road, everyone is just relying on their computer or some bullshit autopilot to launch you and nobody has true control of their car anymore. Sure, you steer that bitch, but you're not even shifting. You keep your foot in it and that's about it


Technology has taken the fun and brutality out of life, and not in a good way. Anyone else remember when 400 horsepower cars could get fucking scary to drive? Now your grandmother could hit an 11 second quarter mile

[lowside67]

Technology has taken the fun and brutality out of life, and not in a good way. Anyone else remember when 400 horsepower cars could get fucking scary to drive? Now your grandmother could hit an 11 second quarter mile
+1. It doesnt actually even take 400hp... in my eyes, the scariest car that I can reasonably think of to try and drive quickly in the rain is a 260hp Porsche 930... A C5 Z06 despite having 400hp and all the nannies except ABS being able to be disabled, is a tremendously easy car to drive quickly.

Also I love that that was a cab which murdered the GTR in that drag race... seems like a coupe would be a much more fair fight and at the weight benefit, would be an even more dramatic ass kicking.

[Marshall Placid]

I guess that is why tuners build 800+ rwhp versions that can actually blow off all 4 tires and they take some skill to drive. I remember Counter-Strike pre-source where bitches would use the AWP and jump snipe. It just required much less skill than any other gun in the game and everyone knew it was a bitch move to use it. My arch-nemesis Phodem and his brother Naem eventually stopped being fags and we would have AK duels that would result in draws most of the time, that proved some real fucking skill.


Damn, why do you have to bring up CS or CSS?

Memory lane...

I used to just only use the knife... 50:50 kill/die ratio BOOYAH!

It was fun.

You are "brutally" straight-forward and right about the cars.

[ScratchedMy991]

^ gearing, traction (those stupid grippy tires and their width) and the ATTESA-ETS being tuned for optimal acceleration runs.

I got to drive a pre owned GTR at work... and punched it from a stand still (without the "launch control") the car felt like this: rear wheels have a slight slip and by the time u feel it start to completely slip and spin, the front wheels have a huge front end bite of grip and you'd get hurled into speed. That's the only way I can describe it... the AWD system reacts really quickly
Where do you work?

[Geoc]

Thanks to this thread, I spent 10mins doing the math (albeit with a lot of assumptions).

Guys keep in mind, that horsepower is not the main player in acceleration, torque is. Torque to the wheels is not the same as torque at crank. With a 4.06 1st gear, and a 3.7 final drive, it's actually cranking out 9343Nm (6891lb-ft) to the axles at peak torque on powerband and on 1st assuming no drivetrain loss (wheel size will affect actual torque put on tarmac).

[xpl0sive]

this is where it's at... 4000lb car running 8 seconds... and is still completely street legal

1600whp Full Weight ALPHA 16 GT-R Runs 8.11@176mph - YouTube

[GabAlmighty]

My 1 ton diesel only weighs 2000lbs more than this car. I find that amusing.

[underscore]

Think of it like this, now whenever you want to race someone whether it's at the track or a back country road, everyone is just relying on their computer or some bullshit autopilot to launch you and nobody has true control of their car anymore. Sure, you steer that bitch, but you're not even shifting. You keep your foot in it and that's about it

Realistically you're not even steering either, you're just telling the computer which way you want it to take you as quickly as possible since the traction computers and shit deal with making the car actually turn hard without spinning off the corner.

Thanks to this thread, I spent 10mins doing the math (albeit with a lot of assumptions).

Guys keep in mind, that horsepower is not the main player in acceleration, torque is. Torque to the wheels is not the same as torque at crank. With a 4.06 1st gear, and a 3.7 final drive, it's actually cranking out 9343Nm (6891lb-ft) to the axles at peak torque on powerband and on 1st assuming no drivetrain loss (wheel size will affect actual torque put on tarmac).

This is probably where the earlier math makes sense. The 400 and something avg HP to the road needed to hit 2s is much more easily achieved when you factor in the gearing.

[kunoman1]

Blah blah blah only fucking nerds will own either and your grandmother could beat you 0-60 or in the 1/4 mile with 0 drama


Fucking cars are gay now because they are no longer visceral, look at buddy's face in the Porsche, he looks like he's taking a dump and wondering if he should cook chicken for dinner or have a kale smoothie


Unless you're wheelstanding a car at the drag strip it is no longer an accomplishment to go fast in the same way it is no longer an accomplishment to fuck 4 girls in a week due to Tinder. Electronics have reduced our fun to nothing more than "Launch mode" or "Swipe right"


Fuck this I need to build a car that wheelstands

I dont always agree with what you post but this is spot on

[Timpo]

this is where it's at... 4000lb car running 8 seconds... and is still completely street legal

1600whp Full Weight ALPHA 16 GT-R Runs 8.11@176mph - YouTube (http://youtu.be/qtt7BmXFe4s)

0-60mph: 1.63 seconds :eek:
Alpha Series by Alpha Performance| Premium Nissan R35 GT-R Performance Upgrade Packages - Alpha 16 Performance Package (http://gtr.alphaperformance.com/alpha-packages/alpha-16-performance-package)

[Zulu]

Stock? I doubt it;

2002 Lingenfelter Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 1.97 Quarter mile 9.1
2002 Dodge Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 0-60 mph 2.2 Quarter mile 9.4
2012 Ariel Atom 500 (V-8) 0-60 mph 2.3
2011 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport 0-60 mph 2.4 Quarter Mile 9.6
2009 Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 0-60 mph 2.4 Quarter mile 10.1
2007 Caparo T1 0-60 mph 2.5
2012 Hennessey Venom GT 0-60 mph 2.5
2010 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Grand Sport 0-60 mph 2.5
2013 Caterham Seven R600 Roadster 0-60 mph 2.5
2006 Ultima GTR 720 0-60 mph 2.6 Quarter Mile 9.9

[Zulu]

0-60mph: 1.63 seconds :eek:
Alpha Series by Alpha Performance| Premium Nissan R35 GT-R Performance Upgrade Packages - Alpha 16 Performance Package (http://gtr.alphaperformance.com/alpha-packages/alpha-16-performance-package)


1600hp vs 570hp. I assure you 2.0 stock is not going to happen.

[Timpo]

Alpha 16 is already outdated

1/4 mile in 7.81 seconds

Extreme Turbo Systems - QUICKEST GTR - WORLD RECORD - 7.81/183mph - English Racing - YouTube

[multicartual]

Waaaaaay more respect for drivers that run a 7 in a 1960's RWD deathtrap


That just looked easy

[xpl0sive]

Alpha 16 is already outdated

1/4 mile in 7.81 seconds

Extreme Turbo Systems - QUICKEST GTR - WORLD RECORD - 7.81/183mph - English Racing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFTaWtkgqQ#t=210)

is that car full weight and street legal though...? regardless, that's insane to run in the 7's in something that doesn't look like a top fuel dragster

[MikeyStyle]

2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo: The Fastest Yet! – Ignition Ep. 118