[willystyle]

Hey guys!

I am looking for a centralized network setup that will allow me to stream its content to various devices around the home to media players attached to TV, macbook, desktop pc, etc. I am also looking for a way for the device to manage itself without me having to update its content on a daily basis (automatically downloading new episodes, not having to manually transfer media files from desktop to external HD). I want the solution to be as automated as possible. The solutions that I came up with is a HTPC setup or an external hard drive attached to my Linksys E4200 running Tomato.

HTPC - Out of my budget. I don't want to spend $400-$500

External HD to E4200 - Most likely solution, but I am not sure if it can be automated like what I described.

Any other solutions out there?

Budget is $200-$300

[Eclypz]

Sounds like you need a NAS (Network Attached Storage)
QNAP TS-220 2 Bay Personal Cloud NAS DLNA Mobile APP. Marvel 1.6GHZ CPU 512MB RAM USB3.0 (http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=82894&vpn=TS-220&manufacture=QNAP%20Systems%20Inc.&promoid=1190)
Synology Disk Station DS212J 2-BAY SATA NAS RAID Server Dsm DLNA USB iPhone iPad Android App (http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66384&vpn=DS212J&manufacture=Synology%20Inc.&promoid=1190)

QNAP/Synology work great out of the box.

I've had no luck with USB mounted storage on my Asus RT-N56U. Read/Write performance is slow, and for some reason the drive keeps randomly disconnecting, which is a problem when I'm downloading torrents directly to the drive.

[roastpuff]

A NAS is the one you want, but you have to manage the downloading function - gotta feed it new torrents, remove old ones etc. I have mine streaming to various PC's/Macs/tablets/etc and it works fine, PS3 as well (but PS3 has file format limitations).

I have a Lacie NAS and I'm happy with it, was considering Synology but this was cheaper.

[willystyle]

Ok I'll take a look into a NAS.

But what software do I use to automate the torrent downloading aspect? Like keeping track of episodes.

Is it possible to remote control a NAS over the network from a Desktop PC?

[twitchyzero]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/NasIllmatic.jpg

[.Renn.Sport]

I use plex server. While it doesn't automatically download anything, but it does automatically catalog all my movies and tv shows, it will continually update as it detects new downloads.

the PS3 could detect the plex server on the network. if not I always have the plex app on my iOS device to browse my entire library of videos and airplay it onto the tv thru apple tv.

[Eclypz]

Ok I'll take a look into a NAS.

But what software do I use to automate the torrent downloading aspect? Like keeping track of episodes.

Is it possible to remote control a NAS over the network from a Desktop PC?

You can automate torrents downloading by using RSS feeds for your favourite sites and creating filters to download what you want. You can either use a torrent client with RSS support from a PC (uTorrent) and save to NAS (as a disk), or you can use the Torrent client built-in to your NAS. You can even take it one step further and have it email you once a download is complete.

Yes, you interface with the NAS over web browser. Its the same as how you would interface with your router, except a NAS has a much more capable OS.

[!MiKrofT]

Get a NAS. One that supports 3rd party plugins such as QNAP or Synology. You'll need to install some stuff like SABNZBD, CouchPotato, SickBeard to automate these things. However word of warning. Most $300 NAS aren't very powerful so doing the things you want are gonna be spotty.

My recommended solution is to build a media HTPC/ server

Zotac Zbox ID85 Intel Core HD Graphics DVI HDMI Bluetooth 2XUSB3.0 Barebone Mini PC (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=80223&vpn=ZBOX-ID85-U&manufacture=Zotac)
Add some ram, add a 2.5" HDD 750GB-1TB and you'll hit your mark of $300 with a far more capable and flexible system. You can still add external USB3 hard drives.

My own setup is like this:
Zotac Zbox Nano ID61 Intel Celeron 867 8GB Bluetooth HDMI DisplayPort 2XUSB3.0 Barebone Mini PC (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=78462&vpn=ZBOXNANO-ID61-U&manufacture=Zotac)
8GB DDR RAM
120GB SSD
3TB ESATA
3TB USB3
Everything downloads on SSD and is moved over to ESATA. Once a night my ESATA gets mirrored over to the USB3.

[twitchyzero]

You can automate torrents downloading by using RSS feeds for your favourite sites and creating filters to download what you want. You can either use a torrent client with RSS support from a PC (uTorrent) and save to NAS (as a disk), or you can use the Torrent client built-in to your NAS. You can even take it one step further and have it email you once a download is complete.

Yes, you interface with the NAS over web browser. Its the same as how you would interface with your router, except a NAS has a much more capable OS.

Do you have this setup running flawlessly? I'm looking into NAS but it would have to do the following:

1. auto download via RSS
2. be able to run PS3 Media Server + support subtitles
3. be able to run Plex Media Server + support subtitles
http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/FAQ:_Plex_Media_Server_and_NAS

that way I can watch things on my PS3 and on mobile devices.

[!MiKrofT]

Unless you're willing to invest in an x86 processor based NAS, I wouldn't attempt it for plex.

[Soundy]

I'm running a Synology DS-412+, which is a little spendier, but works great with a four-disk RAID.

PS3 sees both Plex server and the built-in DLNA server, as do my LG and Sony Blu-Ray players. Android devices work with it using Plex player, and any number of DLNA-capable players.

Built-in Download Station app does torrents, eMule, thunder, flashget, and QQDL... AND RSS FEEDS (I've never use it, but the feature is there):

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/743/2972333331.png

There's also a handy Chrome extension that will queue downloads on the Download Station - just right-click any download link and select it... as well as download YouTube videos directly to it.

For just downloading and serving videos, you don't need a lot of power, but if you want it to transcode videos on-the-fly for mobile and whatnot, you do need something with a better processor.

[twitchyzero]

guess NAS isn't for me then
I'll continue using my main PC for the transcoding/streaming
I've a HTPC but it's a few years old now (no USB3 and only a dual core 2GHz...it might have eSATA tho)

[willystyle]

Thanks for the options.

What are the benefits of running a Plex server?

[!MiKrofT]

I'm running a Synology DS-412+, which is a little spendier, but works great with a four-disk RAID.

PS3 sees both Plex server and the built-in DLNA server, as do my LG and Sony Blu-Ray players. Android devices work with it using Plex player, and any number of DLNA-capable players.

Built-in Download Station app does torrents, eMule, thunder, flashget, and QQDL... AND RSS FEEDS (I've never use it, but the feature is there):

There's also a handy Chrome extension that will queue downloads on the Download Station - just right-click any download link and select it... as well as download YouTube videos directly to it.

For just downloading and serving videos, you don't need a lot of power, but if you want it to transcode videos on-the-fly for mobile and whatnot, you do need something with a better processor.
Yup. That has a Dual core Intel Atom which helps a lot for plex

[twitchyzero]

What are the benefits of running a Plex server?

i havent got around to configuring it as I just got the android app for $2
but Plex decodes on the fly meaning if your bandwidth can't support its native bitrate it'll scale it down a bit

[willystyle]

My recommended solution is to build a media HTPC/ server

Zotac Zbox ID85 Intel Core HD Graphics DVI HDMI Bluetooth 2XUSB3.0 Barebone Mini PC (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=80223&vpn=ZBOX-ID85-U&manufacture=Zotac)
Add some ram, add a 2.5" HDD 750GB-1TB and you'll hit your mark of $300 with a far more capable and flexible system. You can still add external USB3 hard drives.

My own setup is like this:
Zotac Zbox Nano ID61 Intel Celeron 867 8GB Bluetooth HDMI DisplayPort 2XUSB3.0 Barebone Mini PC (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=78462&vpn=ZBOXNANO-ID61-U&manufacture=Zotac)
8GB DDR RAM
120GB SSD
3TB ESATA
3TB USB3
Everything downloads on SSD and is moved over to ESATA. Once a night my ESATA gets mirrored over to the USB3.
Alright, so I am leaning more towards this now, except with a few adjustments.

What OS are you using to run your setup? and will this run Plex as well?

case: Cooler Master N200 mATX / mITX Tower Case Black 1X5.25 3X3.5 4X2.5 USB3.0 *No - 33.07
psu: Antec Basiq BP350 350WATT ATX12V V2.01 80mm Quiet Fan ATX Power Supply - 29.79
cpu: Intel Celeron G1610 Dual Core Processor LGA1155 2.6GHZ Ivy Bridge 2MB Retail Box 45.40
mobo: Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV mATX LGA1155 H61 DDR3 1PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Video Sound Motherboard - 54.25
cable: dvi-d to hdmi - 11
RAM: Corsair CMV4GX3M1A1333C9 8GB 1X8GB DDR3-1333 1.5V CL9-9-9-24 240PIN DIMM Unbuffered Memory - 61.59
HD: Western Digital WD Caviar Green 3TB SATA3 3.5IN 64MB Cache Intellipower Internal Hard Disk Drive - 124.79

I'm running a Synology DS-412+, which is a little spendier, but works great with a four-disk RAID.

PS3 sees both Plex server and the built-in DLNA server, as do my LG and Sony Blu-Ray players. Android devices work with it using Plex player, and any number of DLNA-capable players.

Built-in Download Station app does torrents, eMule, thunder, flashget, and QQDL... AND RSS FEEDS (I've never use it, but the feature is there):

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/743/2972333331.png

There's also a handy Chrome extension that will queue downloads on the Download Station - just right-click any download link and select it... as well as download YouTube videos directly to it.

For just downloading and serving videos, you don't need a lot of power, but if you want it to transcode videos on-the-fly for mobile and whatnot, you do need something with a better processor.
Thanks, but out of my budget. :)

[!MiKrofT]

I'm using Server 2008 R2 x64. Only because I had an extra license lol.

Seems ok for plex for me but that may vary depending on how many plex clients you need to run.

[willystyle]

I'm using Server 2008 R2 x64. Only because I had an extra license lol.

Seems ok for plex for me but that may vary depending on how many plex clients you need to run.
Im looking at FreeNAS vs Server 2008. Which one would be easier to use? I'm guessing Server 2008?

Which devices would require plex? I will be streaming to 2 Roku XS (or WD LIVE TV - haven't decided yet), a Macbook Air (Wireless N), and a Desktop PC (Windows 7 64-bit)

All of the connections will be Powerline Ethernet 500Mb on a Gigabit line, except Macbook Air (Wireless N).

[Soundy]

Thanks, but out of my budget. :)
These packages/apps are common to most Synology models; I went with the DS-412+ because I wanted the extra space and processing power. A-Power has a DS-409 on for $299 (http://www.a-power.com/product-27325), and the two-bay DS-212j starting at $220 (http://www.a-power.com/product-24141), and lots in between.

QNAP has similar offerings, although I've used a few of their models in the past and had absolute nightmares dealing with their so-called support... I would not recommend them based on this.

[Eclypz]

Do you have this setup running flawlessly? I'm looking into NAS but it would have to do the following:

1. auto download via RSS
2. be able to run PS3 Media Server + support subtitles
3. be able to run Plex Media Server + support subtitles
FAQ: Plex Media Server and NAS - Plex (http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/FAQ:_Plex_Media_Server_and_NAS)

that way I can watch things on my PS3 and on mobile devices.

My setup is actually currently not using a NAS. I have a dedicated media server PC (E8400 + 4GB RAM).
Eventually, I'll get a NAS just to centralize storage, but right now, everything I download is stored onto my media server (and then shared out).

Streaming to PS3 and mobile devices will require transcoding, which requires decent processing power, hence why Mikroft suggests a x86 CPU NAS is required.

My "media server" is a windows 8 machine which I leave on 24/7. It runs uTorrent with RSS feeds setup to automatically download all the shows I watch, then emails me when a download is complete. I use Serviio as my primary DLNA media server. I also have PS3 Media Server running just for my PS3. I use RDP to administer my media server.

[!MiKrofT]

Im looking at FreeNAS vs Server 2008. Which one would be easier to use? I'm guessing Server 2008?

Which devices would require plex? I will be streaming to 2 Roku XS (or WD LIVE TV - haven't decided yet), a Macbook Air (Wireless N), and a Desktop PC (Windows 7 64-bit)

All of the connections will be Powerline Ethernet 500Mb on a Gigabit line, except Macbook Air (Wireless N).
FreeNAS is nice but for easy setup stick with Windows base. Doesn't have to be Server 2008. Win7 will do just fine. I'm only using it cause I have licenses. It'll be a lot more easier to configure Windows over FreeNAS especially when you're looking for apps and schedulers.

PS3 and Mobile devices will need plex to transcode the video. Your WDTV, Laptops, Desktops all can do their own decoding so it won't use Plex. I believe Plex can also dump the stream direct with no transcoding if your hardware is fast enough so you can use the Plex interface for these devices as well.

[twitchyzero]

OP did you end up getting a nas or just used hdd on router?

i'm thinking of getting usb3 hdd connected to ac56u router which seems to get 50-60MB/s read and 20-30MB/s write which should be enough for streaming BD rips. It can support Transmission

[willystyle]

I didn't end up getting either. Currently looking for a Media Streaming solution instead with XBMC and IPTV capability.

[Farfetched]

Looking to get into a NAS mostly for music and possibly movies down the road. Probably only 1 or 2 users. What are the drawbacks of the lower end ones. In particular the WD my cloud?

[Soundy]

Main drawback will probably be lack of processing power if you want to transcode video on-the-fly.

[jnesss]

streaming with plex from my macbook to my tv - awesome.

[mos_skeeto]

Just set up plex based on last post. Holy crap it's awesome. Have it feeding into my 2 tvs via Apple TV (iPad airplay) and WD TV Live using DLNA.

[twitchyzero]

lol not sure why a 2 year old thread has 4 viewers before I'm about to bump this...

Anywhos just got my hands on the AS1002T budget NAS a week ago...ASUS' $200 offering
I pretty much pulled the trigger blind. Pre-ordered it last month when it was announced with absolutely no customer reviews or reviews from the usual suspects.

quick specs:
Marvell ARM M7 Dual-core 1GHz
512MB DDR3
gigE, 2 USB3
Tool-less design
only sips a few watts when disks are hiberating

more deets here:
ASUSTOR - Innovation Makes a Difference (http://www.asustor.com/product?p_id=42#tab3)

I'm running 2X8TB RAID1 which operates quite loudly, but NAS is self is very quiet unless it's booting up.

This is my first NAS so I have no other point of reference but the UI was simple yet very responsive. The settings are really robust and in depth ( you can even choose which LEDs you want on and its brightness. I like the backup option of allowing even your external HDD to spindown, so you can just set a schedule and forget about it). Schedulable SMART and bad sector tests are handy to have for a peace of mind.

Didn't test the network speed but USB 3 speeds was around 80MB/sfor ~150GB worth of gopro videos
when I was moving roughly 3.5TB of blu-ray remuxes it dropped down to 28MB/s so needless to say it took about 2 days to have that done.

using its uPnP Media Server, Blu-ray remux 25Mbps mkv playbacks on my smart TV was smooth. Plex server did not work, I don't believe that plays nice with ARM processors simply because they're too weak for transcoding-on-the-fly

Looks like Guru3d released their review today and it was very favourable. The rest you can read there as it's way more methodical.

Asustor AS1002T NAS review - Asustor Introduction (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asustor_as1002t_nas_review,1.html)

Now some noob questions about drive longevity:

I understand SMR ArchiveHDDs aren't meant for NAS/RAID, but I'm wondering if it's best to keep the drives' orientation parallel to the floor or to have the nas stand up right as the nas was designed but the drives will be vertical?

RAID1 reads doesn't always happen simultaneously to both drive. Does that mean in theory 1 drive will wear out faster than the other drive? Is there a way to force equal read on both drives?

Cheers.