[Jas29]

Speed Kills Your Pocketbook - YouTube

SENSE BC - Safety by Education Not Speed Enforcement (http://www.sense.bc.ca/)

Can one of the mods embed the video
Done -Lomac

[snails]

not gunna do shit, if companies like icbc are raking in the cash and the government is getting portions of it there is no way they will just let it go..

[Redlines_Daily]

Great video! Thanks for sharing

[tool001]

done forget to email ur govt. rep.

http://thaodouglas.com/sense/call2.png (http://sense.bc.ca/mla)

[Coren]

Semi related article that was a week ago and I'm surprised nobody posted anything on it.

Ministry eyes increase for speed limits on B.C. highways | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/ministry-eyes-increase-for-speed-limits-on-b-c-highways-1.1440792#ixzz2e2A7VGAq)

Speed limits on B.C. highways are long overdue for a review and could see an increase based on current research, the province’s new transportation minister says.

It’s been more than a decade since the government last reviewed current speed limits, Todd Stone said Thursday.

About 85 per cent of British Columbians routinely travel 10 kilometres above the speed limit, but it’s actually the drivers going the speed limit who are at risk – especially on highways, according to Stone.

“The person travelling 10 kilometres below is arguably of greater harm to him or herself and others travelling on that corridor,” he said.

Stone has instructed his staff to review the limits, as well as the policies behind setting speed limits, with a goal of producing a list of recommendations by next spring.

“What we would like to do is get out there, have a conversation with British Columbians and take a hard look at the data,” he said.

B.C. Premier Christy Clark supported the move, saying she’s received plenty of feedback that many of the province’s routes are too slow.

“I can tell you as a representative from the Okanagan there are a lot of people who say we don’t have the speed limits right,” she said at an event Wednesday. “I think it’s appropriate that we go and we make sure that the speed limits are right all across this province.”

Ian Tootill, co-founder of Sense B.C., an organization that advocates “sensible road safety laws and enforcement,” said an increase in speed limits wouldn’t automatically mean drivers would then go even faster on highways.

“It’s a fallacy that many people hold on to, that when you set a posted limit people will always exceed it. It doesn’t work like that. It’s been proven false time and time again,” he said.

Tootill said there is a safe travel speed that drivers naturally gravitate toward, and most B.C. highways are below that limit.

By raising the speed limit, law enforcement can then “focus on the people that are really exceeding the speed limit and causing the problems, and then I think we’ll all be happy,” he said.

“We have some of the best cars, the best roads, and people in British Columbia are no dumber than anywhere else, they can handle it.”]

Have your say: Should the government up the speed limit on B.C. highways?

With a report from CTV British Columbia's St. John Alexander



Cliff Notes:
New transportation minister believes highway speeds are too low and should be raised.
Christy Clark supports the move.

[91civicZC]

Great Video with some awesome points. I have a hard time believing the government will act on the demands of the motoring public, they are just making too much money off the current setup.

Its worth emailing your local rep though!

[Gridlock]

I'm sold!

I know the secton in surrey just off the patullo, if gets painfully awkward to do 50kph and feels unsafe to do so.

Am I supposed to hit the brakes to do 50?

Nanny state bullshit. Free country my ass.

[Manic!]

The highway going thru Nanaimo goes from 80 to 70 to 60 to 50 in about 8 KM's. it's ridiculous.

[Nightwalker]

Really impressed that someone put that great vid together. Completely agree with all of it.

[Gh0stRider]

Speed Kills: Your Pocketbook video story on CTV News - YouTube

[Manic!]

The road they are talking about on the Island goes to Campbell River. It's 4 lanes divided straight for many long parts and is never busy (almost seems like waste to build it) and no one goes 110KM. I see jacked up pickup trucks 130 140 plus.

[Prolowtone]

Hell even the the road from pacific hwy to golden ears bridge is ridiculous. And what gridlock said about the section after the pattullo bridge, I usually drive past and see 3-4 cop vehicles watching for anyone to go over

[saveth]

They are there basically everyday 11-3
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[i-VTEC]

I think not only the speed limit should be raise, but also in force those who drives on left lane at 30 40 kmh in a 60 zone kmh (ticket them!)

[belka]

The road they are talking about on the Island goes to Campbell River. It's 4 lanes divided straight for many long parts and is never busy (almost seems like waste to build it) and no one goes 110KM. I see jacked up pickup trucks 130 140 plus.

That is probably the only stretch of highway in BC where a trial run of no-limit speeds can be done.

[Soundy]

not gunna do shit, if companies like icbc are raking in the cash and the government is getting portions of it there is no way they will just let it go..

FUCK THE PO PO!

You know everyone here should do, just to really show them who's boss??

Drive the speed limit. Don't text while driving. Don't drink and drive. Signal all your turns. Don't put stupid shit on your car.

Then their revenue stream will dry up. That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.

[iEatClams]

Great Video with some awesome points. I have a hard time believing the government will act on the demands of the motoring public, they are just making too much money off the current setup.

Its worth emailing your local rep though!

I may be wrong, but I was driving the other day and I think there's a section on marine way as you go from new west to burnaby and it goes from 80kms to 50kms speed limits. Which means that when the speed limit is 80, most are doing 90km/h, and then most of them do not slow down enough and it's easy to get that 40km + excessive speeding.

that's just easy money for government.

[Manic!]

FUCK THE PO PO!

You know everyone here should do, just to really show them who's boss??

Drive the speed limit. Don't text while driving. Don't drink and drive. Signal all your turns. Don't put stupid shit on your car.

Then their revenue stream will dry up. That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.

If people started driving the speed limit it would be chaos on the streets.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.

[melloman]

funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.

:suspicious:
So what your saying is.. we need to make a giant smear campaign on how driving slow will ultimately get you killed.. :considered:

I can see it now: "If you drive too slow, that semi-truck will plow into you, completely destroying your car and everything in it." Make the people afraid to drive too slow?
:pokerface:

[Gridlock]

funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.

I don't think we need to go "conspiracy" when we can go with the truth. Hear me out.

First, we all...wait, we ALL get that we tend to run a little higher on the nanny state bullshit in BC. There is nothing we like more as a group of people of giving the stage over to the people that like to tell the rest of us how to live better.

I don't even think of it as the money grab, I think the entire culture of car safety here from socialist ICBC(love it) to the police to politicians view it as the only way these poor, misguided fools will learn. Look at that one police officer in the video..."90% of these people are speeding!"

Yes...and notice how they aren't flying off the road.

I don't think its the money, I think they have as a mission of getting everyone to granny it down a highway at 50kph.

They'll park at the end of Patullo not because they want the money, but because Patullo is a "dangerous bridge" and they want people to slow down. But let's use some common sense...its not the guy that's doing 60kph on the bridge that's the issue...its the douche that's doing 80, its the guy that's hogging two lanes, its the truck traffic that hogs the entire bridge or causes someone to try to pass when its unsafe and for realz, its the guy doing 58 that hits the brakes when he sees the police setup because he doesn't want the ticket.

And do we see the police set up at 9pm looking for the guy doing 80? Nope.

And the true irony is that if the speed limit is 50, then really you "should" be doing 40 so as to not go over. Your commute to work is now going to be 2 hours longer. Yay!

Add a straight up 10kph to every limit in the city, with a discretionary 10kph buffer after that.

[Soundy]

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

[Soundy]

I don't even think of it as the money grab, I think the entire culture of car safety here from socialist ICBC(love it) to the police to politicians view it as the only way these poor, misguided fools will learn. Look at that one police officer in the video..."90% of these people are speeding!"
I hate that term "cash grab/money grab", because it's basically applied anywhere someone thinks they're getting screwed whether they are or not, and most of the time it's just not accurate.

This is a prime example, and it goes right along with those whining about things like excessive speed penalties. Regardless of whether or not the speed limits make sense (and let's get it out of the way right now: yes, I agree, they could stand to be raised in a lot of cases - happy now?), the fact remains, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE FOR EXCEEDING IT, AND THUS YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO COMPLAIN IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

It's not a "cash grab" when avoiding the hit to the pocket book is as simple as letting up JUST A LITTLE on the gas pedal. Get a fucking grip, people. It's not a difficult choice: risk the fine, or suffer the horrible ignominy of having to arrive at your destination 30 seconds later. It's not like your entire world will fall apart by following the posted limit. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

[Gridlock]

IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

No, but I think people are starting to get pissed on cars:

tolls, gasoline, the very attitude that the car is the source of all evil and possibly being punished for driving with the flow of traffic

In general:

Nanny state bullshit where some politician is deciding whats best for you.

[meme405]

FUCK THE PO PO!

That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.


It's not a "cash grab" when avoiding the hit to the pocket book is as simple as letting up JUST A LITTLE on the gas pedal. Get a fucking grip, people. It's not a difficult choice: risk the fine, or suffer the horrible ignominy of having to arrive at your destination 30 seconds later. It's not like your entire world will fall apart by following the posted limit. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Are you by any chance Bi-Polar, or are you truly just the worlds best disguised troll?:suspicious:

[Soundy]

FUCK THE PO PO!

That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.Are you by any chance Bi-Polar, or are you truly just the worlds best disguised troll?:suspicious:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw3otqYaZ01r3fhemo1_500.jpg

[Timpo]

Speed Kills: Your Pocketbook video story on CTV News - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcbCKpfKeQ&feature=youtu.be)

oh shit so are they actually gonna raise the speed limit or what?

In Victoria...they're talking about lowering speed to 40km/h.

[Soundy]

tolls, gasoline, the very attitude that the car is the source of all evil and possibly being punished for driving with the flow of traffic

In general:

Nanny state bullshit where some politician is deciding whats best for you.
What do tolls and gas prices have to do with a nanny state?

You want to drive fast, you're going to need better-made/better-maintained roads... that's what tolls are for.

Governments have no control over gas prices (at least in this corner of the world). I'm sure they wish they did.

You can't control those costs to your driving... you CAN control whether or not you get traffic fines, very easily.

[Manic!]

What do tolls and gas prices have to do with a nanny state?

You want to drive fast, you're going to need better-made/better-maintained roads... that's what tolls are for.

Governments have no control over gas prices (at least in this corner of the world). I'm sure they wish they did.

You can't control those costs to your driving... you CAN control whether or not you get traffic fines, very easily.

A good chunk of the gas price is tax so the government does have some control of the gas price. Also the road to Campbell River is excellent I don't know how much better you could make it.

[Geoc]

You can raise the speed limit to 200kph, and it still won't stop the c-lai's from driving 40kph in their lexuses

[coolname]

Regardless of whether or not the speed limits make sense (and let's get it out of the way right now: yes, I agree, they could stand to be raised in a lot of cases - happy now?), the fact remains, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE FOR EXCEEDING IT, AND THUS YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO COMPLAIN IF YOU GET CAUGHT.




if you agree they should be higher why are you getting mad at people who who think the same?

[Soundy]

I'm not, I get frustrated at people who think the law shouldn't apply to them just because they disagree with it, WILFULLY break it, and then get all bent out of shape when they get smacked with the consequences they KNOW are coming.

[Rainei]

Jesus, no one is bitching about getting fines due to speeding. Everyone in this thread apart from you is arguing for higher limits, DUE TO THE FACT the majority of regularly law abiding citizens driving at a safe and reasonable speed are now CRAZED MANIACAL SPEED DEMONS due to our rather low speed limits.

Yes laws apply to everyone equally, but when 100% of people travelling along that stretch of Marine Dr. are breaking the law...... perhaps its time to find out why?

No one is bitching about getting fined, we're just bitching because we know that since MANY people do get caught for speeding and therefore is a significant revenue stream for ICBC/ the police, we believe that there is very little political incentive and therefore not much catalyst for an increase in speed limits. Hence "cash grab".

[Lomac]

No one is bitching about getting fined

You haven't been in the Police Forum lately, have you? :p

[Soundy]

Jesus, no one is bitching about getting fines due to speeding.

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/+_40efb6be3529c20b4d7c90ba087710fa.jpg

[Rainei]

Ok fine, there are a few people bitching in the Police Forum.. so let me rephrase that. "Noone in THIS thread is bitching about fines.. etc." One dude saying that it's a cash grab does not amount to bitching about getting caught.

But please, let's discuss the main points in this thread, which is that speed limits should be higher, and not post some stupid image macro if you haven't got anything to say. Which I believe you usually do.

[Soundy]

http://global3.memecdn.com/what-if-i-don-t-always-use-the-right-meme_o_1886855.jpg

[dark0821]

I just want to point out that I drive that stretch of marine drive twice from Monday to Friday every week. What really gets on my nerves is that when the limit goes from 80kph to 50 kph right before boundary in the Burnaby area. You have to BRAKE to "abid" the law, because it literally goes from a 80kph sigh to a 50kph sign in a distance of 50M.

I start to slow down before the last 80 limit sign, and my god here comes the honks and the fingers and the sudden pull to the right lane....

Am I the only one who wants to conserve their brake pads?

end rant =P

[Timpo]

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/possible-speed-limit-decrease-in-b-c-1.1426671

[Traum]

I just want to point out that I drive that stretch of marine drive twice from Monday to Friday every week. What really gets on my nerves is that when the limit goes from 80kph to 50 kph right before boundary in the Burnaby area. You have to BRAKE to "abid" the law, because it literally goes from a 80kph sigh to a 50kph sign in a distance of 50M.

I start to slow down before the last 80 limit sign, and my god here comes the honks and the fingers and the sudden pull to the right lane....

Am I the only one who wants to conserve their brake pads?

end rant =P
I feel for you bro. I drive that stretch of Marine a lot as well, and I know exactly what you are talking about. Worse of all, cops sometimes set up speed traps soon after the 50kph sign, so you know that if you don't slow down, somethings there would be real consequences. But normally, the cops won't give you crap if you slow down to 60kph. So a 20kph change isn't too bad.

And honestly, I have no idea why drivers on that stretch of Marine always feels like they need to go at max speed and then slam on the brakes even though there is a red light right ahead. Hello? What's the point of flooring your gas when you need to slam on your brakes 2 seconds later?

[Lomac]

I just want to point out that I drive that stretch of marine drive twice from Monday to Friday every week. What really gets on my nerves is that when the limit goes from 80kph to 50 kph right before boundary in the Burnaby area. You have to BRAKE to "abid" the law, because it literally goes from a 80kph sigh to a 50kph sign in a distance of 50M.

I start to slow down before the last 80 limit sign, and my god here comes the honks and the fingers and the sudden pull to the right lane....

Am I the only one who wants to conserve their brake pads?

end rant =P

If it's the spot I'm thinking of, that's because it's the boundary between two different cities. Each jurisdiction sets their own speed limits, I believe.

[Traum]

I think dark0821 is talking about Marine Way & Glenlyon Parkway. To the east of Glenlyon, it's still 80kph. But west of Glenlyon, it very quickly changes down to 50kph. All of that should still be in Burnaby (since they are all to the east of Boundary).

[dark0821]

here is what i meant,

lol sorry for the crappy-ass MS paint LOL

http://i.imgur.com/xFaLvYc.jpg

[Lomac]

Yeah, that's the spot I was thinking. I'm pretty sure that's due to the two cities (Burnaby and Vancouver) not entirely seeing eye to eye on speed limits on the road. As I mentioned, different jurisdictions set their own limits that they feel is appropriate for the area. It's like 32nd ave. In Surrey, it's 60km/h. However, as soon as you cross into Langley at 194th (or so), it drops down to 50km/h, even though there's no noticeable reason for the drop in speed.

Not saying it's an excusable reason; just that that's probably the reasoning why there's the change.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Thought this article was relevant since it shows enforcement to have an adverse effect on safety while being a money grab.

Study finds red light cameras cause accidents - WatchdogWire - Florida (http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2013/02/16/study-finds-red-light-cameras-cause-accidents/)
Study finds red light cameras cause accidents

They generate revenue nothing more
February 16, 2013
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Barbara Langland-Orban, PhD, John T. Large, PhD, Etienne E. Pracht, PhD from the University of South Florida (USF) conducted a study on red light cameras in 2008. They updated their study in 2011. Langland-Orban, et. al. found that red light cameras (RLC) increase the number of accidents at intersections by 28%.

The 2008 study found:

“Rather than improving motorist safety, red-light cameras significantly increase crashes and are a ticket to higher auto insurance premiums, researchers at the University of South Florida College of Public Health conclude. The effective remedy to red-light running uses engineering solutions to improve intersection safety, which is particularly important to Florida’s elderly drivers, the researchers recommend.

Instead, they increase crashes and injuries as drivers attempt to abruptly stop at camera intersections. If used in Florida, cameras could potentially create even worse outcomes due to the state’s high percent of elderly who are more likely to be injured or killed when a crash occurs.”

“The rigorous studies clearly show red-light cameras don’t work,” said lead author Barbara Langland-Orban, professor and chair of health policy and management at the USF College of Public Health.

The 2011 study update states:

“It is important for the public at large and federal, state, and local officials to understand that motor vehicle safety is advanced through evidence-based methods. Attempts to generate revenue through traffic citations are directly contrary to public safety since infractions are increased by improper roadway engineering, creating hazards and expense for the public.”

The 2011 study update indicates that the media is complicit in promoting the positives of red light cameras and ignoring negatives. The 2011 study update noted:

“One journal reporter, who requested anonymity, revealed that the media can be a source of misinformation on RLCs. She disclosed that special interests that profit from cameras have threatened to reduce or withdraw their advertising revenues if the news is not reported that RLCs provide a safety benefit. The reporter explained that with such threats, journalistic ethics permit an editor to report the advertiser’s perspective if also disclosing the contrary assessment that RLCs pose a safety threat, leaving readers to form their own conclusion. However, she explained that not all editors abide by this principle, which is compounded by the many controversies surrounding RLCs. For example, a Florida newspaper reported that their local poll found support for RLCs. The second half of the article mentioned some of the concerns about RLCs, which included using them to generate revenue, failing to save lives, failing to significantly reduce crashes, and increasing rear-end crashes (Thalji, 2010).”

Cities and counties install red light cameras as a “hidden tax” on motorists. RLCs are a new revenue stream for government and those companies that produce RLCs according to the study:

Comprehensive studies from North Carolina, Virginia, and Ontario have all reported cameras are significantly associated with increases in crashes, as well as crashes involving injuries. The study by the Virginia Transportation Research Council also found that cameras were linked to increased crash costs.

Some studies that conclude cameras reduced crashes or injuries contained major “research design flaws,” such as incomplete data or inadequate analyses, and were conducted by researchers with links to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. The IIHS, funded by automobile insurance companies, is the leading advocate for red-light cameras.

The Florida legislature is considering HB 4011 which would repeal the use of red light cameras in the state.

[Rich Sandor]

Bad drivers are bad drivers no matter the speed limits are - they will find a way to crash at any speed.

It's unfortunately that we have to cater to the lowest common denominator.. but this is the reality.

The only way to mitigate this is to implement mandatory training for all drivers, including existing ones, and not just an exam where they can put on a show for the examiner for 35 minutes, and then drive like an idiot the rest of their lives.