[Traum]

Here we go again -- let's watch the video first:

Vancouver man gets punched by what appears to be a VPD offi - YouTube

Incident took place in March, and this was the original news article:

Vancouver man filing complaint against VPD after punch | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/03/28/vancouver-man-files-complaint-against-vpd-after-punch/)

And now the VPD officer is getting charged with assault:

VPD officer charged with assault after cyclist punched | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/09/13/vpd-officer-charged-with-assault-after-cyclist-punched/)

What is your take on the matter?

[melloman]

I think the punch was un-called for. Having 2 officers there, they should've been able to keep him in control, or they should've taken him to the ground if they felt like he was trying to be aggressive.

I don't think the officer should've punched him in the jaw. I hope the cop gets a suspension WITH NO PAY.

[snails]

^as much as we want that, it wont happen. That fucker will get a nice 2 week vacation... WITH PAY.

[vafanculo]

I don't get it. I really don't. I wish my job has the perks of beating someone up to get a paid vacation.
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[snails]

I don't get it. I really don't. I wish my job has the perks of beating someone up to get a paid vacation.
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work for the police force! paid vacations anytime you want! :badpokerface:

[Traum]

Ironically, the officer involved was previously praised by the British Transit police for bravely apprehending a violent mentally-ill person at the Tube (in London) and preventing “serious injuries to other people and members of the public.”

Vancouver police officer charged with assaulting cyclist during arrest (with video) (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/metro/Vancouver+police+officer+charged+with+assaulting+c yclist/8909677/story.html)

Bhabha was recognized five years ago by British Transit police for bravely apprehending a violent mentally-ill man on London’s tube.

London-born Bhabha joined the VPD in 2008, the same year he received an award of excellence from the British Transport Police Federation for coming to the rescue of woman and her daughter being harassed by a mentally ill man.

The incident happened in March 2007 at King’s Cross Station when Bhabha, off duty at the time, confronted the man and was bitten in the cheek during the ensuing struggle. The man was eventually restrained with the help of five other officers and Bhabha was taken to hospital, where he had surgery to repair a wound to his face.

At his assailant’s trial, the judge reportedly praised Bhabha for preventing “serious injuries to other people and members of the public.”

[MG1]

I recall the original thread on RS. The dude on bike was being a bit of an asshole. Did he deserve the punch in the face? We never saw what led up to the punch. For all we know dude could have been a total fucktard. It was caught on video or was it planned?

Anyway, the world continues to spin.....................

[Redlines_Daily]

I hope the cop gets a suspension WITH NO PAY.

If I punch someone in the jaw, I probably go to jail. He needs to be fired, charged and whatever consequence is the norm for when people do this kind of crime. An example needs to be set for police officers, this kind of behavior is unacceptable.

[StylinRed]

he probably thinks he's still in the uk where men brush punches off as often as they drink beers

[Manic!]

If I punch someone in the jaw, I probably go to jail. He needs to be fired, charged and whatever consequence is the norm for when people do this kind of crime. An example needs to be set for police officers, this kind of behavior is unacceptable.


That's ridiculous. People don't go to jail for throwing a bunch.

[twdm]

If I punch someone in the jaw, I probably go to jail. He needs to be fired, charged and whatever consequence is the norm for when people do this kind of crime. An example needs to be set for police officers, this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
Do people get fired for punching a douche in the face? Don't know where you come from...
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[StylinRed]

As for a headline this should be a bigger issue than that punch imo

Vancouver officer should be fired for deceit, probe finds - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/09/13/bc-vancouver-police-oak-bay-homicide.html)

Vancouver officer should be fired for deceit, probe finds

New Westminster's chief constable says a 13-year veteran of the Vancouver Police Department should be fired following allegations he lied during a homicide probe into the 2001 death of an Oak Bay man.

In 2001 Owen Padmore, 31, died of head injuries apparently sustained from a fall in his mother's Oak Bay home.

Two years ago, new information sparked a homicide investigation and a suspect was arrested and charged with manslaughter by Oak Bay police.

But that case mysteriously fell apart.

In July, CBC News learned an unidentified Vancouver officer, who is related to the prime suspect in the case, was suspended with pay in 2011.

New Westminster Police Chief Const. Dave Jones was assigned to investigate the case and in July substantiated several serious offences under the Police Act against the officer, including:

Two counts of deceit.
One count of neglect of duty.
One count of corrupt practice.
One count of improper disclosure of information.
Oak Bay police have confirmed the alleged interference compromised their homicide investigation.

On Thursday, Jones recommended the officer should be dismissed on two counts of deceit and suspended from duty without pay for 10 to 20 days on the other offences.


He was suspended 2 years ago and they're only calling for him to be fired.... -_-

[Redlines_Daily]

What the..I don't even..

[melloman]

That's ridiculous. People don't go to jail for throwing a bunch.

Maybe you need to take a read:

265. Assault | Criminal Code of Canada (http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/265-assault)

[EmperorIS]

he probably thinks he's still in the uk where men brush punches off as often as they drink beers

South Park - Fightin' Around the World - YouTube

[dhari]

Do people get fired for punching a douche in the face? Don't know where you come from...
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If I punched someone in the face and got charged. I would likely be fired. I would 100% not be allowed to attain my CGA designation. The same CONSEQUENCES would occur if I got a DUI. Remember that girl who flashed her tits at the Canucks game? She lost her job because of that. These are the CONSEQUENCES normal citizens face when doing stupid things. I guess police officers don't have face the same CONSEQUENCES....

[Recon604]

justice has been served.

[stewie]

I recall the original thread on RS. The dude on bike was being a bit of an asshole. Did he deserve the punch in the face? We never saw what led up to the punch. For all we know dude could have been a total fucktard. It was caught on video or was it planned?

Anyway, the world continues to spin.....................

just like the Rodney king video. someone turns on a camera in the last 30 seconds and they see a cop hit a guy and they shit bricks about it being violent. like mg1 said, we don't know what happened prior. for the cop to use that kind of force, im sure he deserved it.

I had to give a statement to him back in june(if it wasn't him, then hes got a twin lol), and from what I remember he was extremely nice and professional.

If I punched someone in the face and got charged. I would likely be fired. I would 100% not be allowed to attain my CGA designation. The same CONSEQUENCES would occur if I got a DUI. Remember that girl who flashed her tits at the Canucks game? She lost her job because of that. These are the CONSEQUENCES normal citizens face when doing stupid things. I guess police officers don't have face the same CONSEQUENCES....

your job probably doesn't have you risking your life on a daily basis due to assholes.

[Manic!]

Maybe you need to take a read:

265. Assault | Criminal Code of Canada (http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/265-assault)

Real life experience VS whats written in a book. If the police locked up every person who threw a punch we would need to built a lot more jails.

[dhari]

your job probably doesn't have you risking your life on a daily basis due to assholes.

Agreed. I work in an office.
Yes he does risk his life at work but he also gets paid for it. Where does the line get drawn when someone who risks their life as a career steps out of line and ultimately has to leave the field due to their actions. It just seems like they get slaps on the wrists all the time and regular citizens have zero tolerance. I am very cynical when it comes to police and politics so I know I may have biased opinions. But I also know lots of people share my frustration.

[melloman]

Real life experience VS whats written in a book. If the police locked up every person who threw a punch we would need to built a lot more jails.
It's not up to the police you idiot.

If you punch me, I can charge you with assault. Get you arrested (by the police). You get a criminal record. Then we can go to court and the judge will give you your punishment.

Learn the process.

[dhari]

Thank you for teaching me the process....

I was just talking about the big picture of my view of the police and how they are punished.

No need to call me an idiot. I assume you are going to school to become a lawyer or police officer? Just started first year Crim a few weeks ago?

Edit: Ooop Sorry Melloman! :fullofwin: come at me broo :)

[melloman]

^^ Wasn't directed at you dhari :lawl:

Editted for clarity

[stewie]

Agreed. I work in an office.
Yes he does risk his life at work but he also gets paid for it. Where does the line get drawn when someone who risks their life as a career steps out of line and ultimately has to leave the field due to their actions. It just seems like they get slaps on the wrists all the time and regular citizens have zero tolerance. I am very cynical when it comes to police and politics so I know I may have biased opinions. But I also know lots of people share my frustration.

yeah he gets paid for it, but its not the old west where you can just pull out a revolver and shoot someone who you don't agree with, his job is to serve and protect, and this guy got the serve part lol. he puts his life in danger so everyone can stay safe at night. for me, im comfortable with how a police officer takes down anyone anyway so long as the person is not complying. ex. if the officer pulls over a car with a few people in it, has them all come out and sit on the curb except for the driver, talks with him etc...lets say one of the guys on the curb decides to stand up to say something. if I were that cop, my hand would be on my tazer(not pulled out...but on it) before he could get all the way up. if a cop is trying to give someone a command such as put your hands behind your back and to stop resisting, its not rocket science, you comply...every little flinch you make could put a million thoughts running through their head and have them tackle you to the ground.

but that's just my view. im all up for cops and the take downs and force they use. if they've given ample warning to not do something, or your flat out resisting. then fuck the person. they deserve every volt, bruise, or cut that comes from the take down.

[firebird79_00]

It's a cyclist he should get a raise and paid vacation
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[Traum]

for me, im comfortable with how a police officer takes down anyone anyway so long as the person is not complying. ex. if the officer pulls over a car with a few people in it, has them all come out and sit on the curb except for the driver, talks with him etc...lets say one of the guys on the curb decides to stand up to say something. if I were that cop, my hand would be on my tazer(not pulled out...but on it) before he could get all the way up. if a cop is trying to give someone a command such as put your hands behind your back and to stop resisting, its not rocket science, you comply...every little flinch you make could put a million thoughts running through their head and have them tackle you to the ground.

but that's just my view. im all up for cops and the take downs and force they use. if they've given ample warning to not do something, or your flat out resisting. then fuck the person. they deserve every volt, bruise, or cut that comes from the take down.
Stewie,

First of all, I am glad you are not a cop.

Secondly, do you think the guy in the video was resisting arrest? Undoubtedly he kind of pulled his hand away a bit (and then the cop's sucker punch came right away), but the guy was not running away at all. You can call him a prick or whatever you want for all the stuff he might have done before getting arrested, but when I looked at the video, it looks to me he was complying with the cop's orders.

People can say all they want about how it is in the police's training to use force when taking down a suspect. Just as naturally, I can say how it is human nature and instinctive reflex to pull away when you are feeling pain. That seems to be the story the cyclist is sticking to -- he was complying with the arrest until the cop tried to bend his arm one way, and then he jerked his arm away out of pain, and the sucker punch came. His body didn't move; his legs didn't move; he was not resisting arrest.

If there was even the slightly trace of doubt in not pressing charges against the cop, the investigation wouldn't have lead to any charges.

[Iceman-19]

After spending a solid 15 hours JUST driving around downtown Vancouver, I praise anyone who punches cyclists down there. Fucking retards need a good punch in the head to save their lives.

[Manic!]

It's not up to the police you idiot.

If you punch me, I can charge you with assault. Get you arrested (by the police). You get a criminal record. Then we can go to court and the judge will give you your punishment.

Learn the process.

I have gone threw the processes thank you very much.

[stewie]

Stewie,

First of all, I am glad you are not a cop.

Secondly, do you think the guy in the video was resisting arrest? Undoubtedly he kind of pulled his hand away a bit (and then the cop's sucker punch came right away), but the guy was not running away at all. You can call him a prick or whatever you want for all the stuff he might have done before getting arrested, but when I looked at the video, it looks to me he was complying with the cop's orders.

People can say all they want about how it is in the police's training to use force when taking down a suspect. Just as naturally, I can say how it is human nature and instinctive reflex to pull away when you are feeling pain. That seems to be the story the cyclist is sticking to -- he was complying with the arrest until the cop tried to bend his arm one way, and then he jerked his arm away out of pain, and the sucker punch came. His body didn't move; his legs didn't move; he was not resisting arrest.

If there was even the slightly trace of doubt in not pressing charges against the cop, the investigation wouldn't have lead to any charges.


I may not be a cop, but on this forum lots of people try to be something they're not :p

like I said, these are my views on this situation. ive already talked with a few people and they've had mixed remarks, some along with whats being said here, and some saying fuck him, do what your told from a cop or expect to be taken down. so yes, I honestly do think he was resisting. he was saying "what is this for? dude I just.." as he was saying "what is this for" he pulls his arm away and attempts to look behind him. the video doesn't show him complying before hand, so theres no proof except for his word vs. the cops words.

people will sue anyone if they can get the chance. some will stoop so low that they'll send a friend into a grocery store, drop and break a jar of pickles in the aisle, then have their friend walk in 30 seconds later, slip, fall, then sue the store. this guy has a video starting where hes being arrested, and shows the cop hitting him in the face. its a win win situation for him.

I agree with iceman, cyclists piss me off more than anyone, they tell us to share the road when they refuse to obey every law. cops should just set up camp dt and ticket every asshole who rides through a red light, on the sidewalk, or without a helmet. they'd hand out 10,000$ worth of fines in 1 day lol.

[finbar]

I agree with iceman, cyclists piss me off more than anyone, they tell us to share the road when they refuse to obey every law. cops should just set up camp dt and ticket every asshole who rides through a red light, on the sidewalk, or without a helmet. they'd hand out 10,000$ worth of fines in 1 day lol.

X2
Here's to the cyclist speeding along the Spanish Banks trail that nearly took me out today, and gives me the stink eye when I tell him to slow down.

I used to be pro cyclist but this militant shit turned me.

/rant

[Happy]

It's not up to the police you idiot.

If you punch me, I can charge you with assault. Get you arrested (by the police). You get a criminal record. Then we can go to court and the judge will give you your punishment.

Learn the process.

I thought you only get a criminal record if you are convicted in court for that crime. Not when you are in the process of getting arrested and charged?

[MG1]

What kills me are the fucktards who ride their bikes on the sidewalk and do so wrecklessly.

I was parked at Donald's Market on Hastings and this asshole is going down at a pretty fast rate. There's a lot of pedestrians on the sidewalk. He realizes he can't make it through and tries to squeeze in between the lampost and my truck. He smashes his handlebar into the side mirror. I get out and give him the what for, but he's too far gone for me to do anything. I wish I had a crossbow. I'd shoot the fokker right in the ass.

Not all cyclists are bad, but I hate the ones who expect you to stop for them when the sign indicates pedestrian crossing. Buddy, if your ass is on the seat and you're not going to walk your bike across, you ain't no pedestrian. /rant

[Gridlock]

That's ridiculous. People don't go to jail for throwing a bunch.

That's not the attitude that you get from any dumb fucking douche bag that gets involved in something he shouldn't be doing, and gets hit.

"oh fuck, that's assault" and pussies out to the police.

[Harvey Specter]

I thought you only get a criminal record if you are convicted in court for that crime. Not when you are in the process of getting arrested and charged?

Exactly, you have to be CONVICTED e.g found guilty in the court of law to get a criminal record, you don't get a criminal record if you're arrested and charged with a offense, heard of the saying "innocent until proven guilty?" lol.

[Iceman-19]

Exactly, you have to be CONVICTED e.g found guilty in the court of law to get a criminal record, you don't get a criminal record if you're arrested and charged with a offense, heard of the saying "innocent until proven guilty?" lol.

This is true, except you can still have a warrent put out for your arrest based on the word of someone else, which means you still spend time in jail until you can go before a judge, EVEN if you are still found not guilty.

[bing]

If I punched someone in the face and got charged. I would likely be fired. I would 100% not be allowed to attain my CGA designation. The same CONSEQUENCES would occur if I got a DUI. Remember that girl who flashed her tits at the Canucks game? She lost her job because of that. These are the CONSEQUENCES normal citizens face when doing stupid things. I guess police officers don't have face the same CONSEQUENCES....

Not saying I agree with the cop throwing a punch but you don't exactly have to deal with assholes day in and out.

There are a lot of cops with records, mainly for assault, etc. We going to fire them all? Im okay with department discipline and or the legal process.

[Manic!]

This is true, except you can still have a warrent put out for your arrest based on the word of someone else, which means you still spend time in jail until you can go before a judge, EVEN if you are still found not guilty.

Come on man are you serious? You are not going to jail based on someones word. If someone gets punched and the next day goes to the cops they will take a report but unless you are seriously injured there not going to do much.

[pinn3r]

talked to a bunch of cops about this case a few months back

one of the officers told me that before the filming started, his friend allegedly taunted Bhabha repeatedly, saying things like "what are you gonna do? hit him?"

can't say this is true though; just a claim from the officer i talked to

[Harvey Specter]

This is true, except you can still have a warrent put out for your arrest based on the word of someone else, which means you still spend time in jail until you can go before a judge, EVEN if you are still found not guilty.

Been held in jail doesn't get a criminal record.


Come on man are you serious? You are not going to jail based on someones word. If someone gets punched and the next day goes to the cops they will take a report but unless you are seriously injured there not going to do much.

+1.

So much fail in this thread it's not even funny.

[Iceman-19]

Been held in jail doesn't get a criminal record.




+1.

So much fail in this thread it's not even funny.

I know it doesn't, I never said it did.

[Iceman-19]

Come on man are you serious? You are not going to jail based on someones word. If someone gets punched and the next day goes to the cops they will take a report but unless you are seriously injured there not going to do much.

How much would you care to bet on this?

[Gridlock]

I may not be a cop, but on this forum lots of people try to be something they're not :p

like I said, these are my views on this situation. ive already talked with a few people and they've had mixed remarks, some along with whats being said here, and some saying fuck him, do what your told from a cop or expect to be taken down. so yes, I honestly do think he was resisting. he was saying "what is this for? dude I just.." as he was saying "what is this for" he pulls his arm away and attempts to look behind him. the video doesn't show him complying before hand, so theres no proof except for his word vs. the cops words.

people will sue anyone if they can get the chance. some will stoop so low that they'll send a friend into a grocery store, drop and break a jar of pickles in the aisle, then have their friend walk in 30 seconds later, slip, fall, then sue the store. this guy has a video starting where hes being arrested, and shows the cop hitting him in the face. its a win win situation for him.

I agree with iceman, cyclists piss me off more than anyone, they tell us to share the road when they refuse to obey every law. cops should just set up camp dt and ticket every asshole who rides through a red light, on the sidewalk, or without a helmet. they'd hand out 10,000$ worth of fines in 1 day lol.

Yes! And no one will because we're all pro bike as the cause celebre in fighting global warming turned climate change.

[twdm]

If I punched someone in the face and got charged. I would likely be fired. I would 100% not be allowed to attain my CGA designation. The same CONSEQUENCES would occur if I got a DUI. Remember that girl who flashed her tits at the Canucks game? She lost her job because of that. These are the CONSEQUENCES normal citizens face when doing stupid things. I guess police officers don't have face the same CONSEQUENCES....

If you got fired for punching someone in the face then you must have been pretty shitty at your job. Throwing out big acronyms doesn't make your argument more valid BTW.
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[twdm]

How much would you care to bet on this?
K I'm going to report you to the police for punching me.
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[Spidey]

Agreed. I work in an office.
Yes he does risk his life at work but he also gets paid for it. Where does the line get drawn when someone who risks their life as a career steps out of line and ultimately has to leave the field due to their actions. It just seems like they get slaps on the wrists all the time and regular citizens have zero tolerance. I am very cynical when it comes to police and politics so I know I may have biased opinions. But I also know lots of people share my frustration.

Thing is, if you work in an office, there is no reason why you should be in a physical altercation with a client. Part of police work involves violence with clients. So when something like this happens, it doesn't mean immediate termination, it means an investigation to reveal what led up to it. As mentioned in many other posts regarding use of force, Police are allowed to use reasonable force necessary to apprehend an individual. Just because he has been charged doesn't mean he is guilty/convicted. It basically means there will be a likelihood of a trial where both sides can provide evidence regarding the matter.

It's not up to the police you idiot.

If you punch me, I can charge you with assault. Get you arrested (by the police). You get a criminal record. Then we can go to court and the judge will give you your punishment.

Learn the process.

People don't "charge" anyone. In BC, the Police forward Charges to Crown. Crown then approves or rejects Charges. You, yourself, have the process wrong.... not even close... this is how it goes

- charge gets rejected (goes no where)

- charge gets approved, first appearance court date where person charged pleads guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, it goes to trial which will be a future date. If guilty then the charged will be sentenced. Depending on what the judge decides, it could mean a criminal record, but not always.

Real life experience VS whats written in a book. If the police locked up every person who threw a punch we would need to built a lot more jails.
Don't know why you got failed at all for this post, since it is the truth.

[Spidey]

How much would you care to bet on this?

I'll take this bet on behalf of Manic... Unless he wants in and make it double or nothing

[Redlines_Daily]

If you got fired for punching someone in the face then you must have been pretty shitty at your job. Throwing out big acronyms doesn't make your argument more valid BTW.
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So much stupid in this post.

Unprofessional conduct is grounds for dismissal in many jobs. There is a police code of conduct that is expected to be followed on the job and off. It's important that citizens have confidence in government employee that serve in the community every day. The same can be said about private citizens that work in high profile jobs, so yes his CGA designation does make his argument more valid.

[Timpo]

nah, I've seen way worse police brutalities

[GLOW]

never understood why people think it's a good idea to make sudden moves or pull your hands away from a police officer when he's trying to cuff you...

[meme405]

never understood why people think it's a good idea to make sudden moves or pull your hands away from a police officer when he's trying to cuff you...

Uhh I have broken my left wrist and just recently both my hands mountain biking.

I do no have the same flexibility in my hands as some people and it is extremely painful to have my hand forced into positions it does not want to be in.

If I were being arrested and they did this to me I would probably try to move my hands into a different position as well. Its a matter of being caused pain, and the reflex to stop that pain from happening.

Like many others pointed out the guy wasnt trying to start running away, he was simply indicating that he was in pain.

[twdm]

So much stupid in this post.

Unprofessional conduct is grounds for dismissal in many jobs. There is a police code of conduct that is expected to be followed on the job and off. It's important that citizens have confidence in government employee that serve in the community every day. The same can be said about private citizens that work in high profile jobs, so yes his CGA designation does make his argument more valid.
Yes except my RPh now makes his arguments invalid. See what I did there? What designation are you going to toss out? Designations don't mean shit in an proper argument.

Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.

Hell Mayor Robb Ford probably broke every drug possession law out there and he's still the mayor of Toronto.

You must be pretty dumb and naive to think every professional out there is performing in a professional manner.

[seakrait]

I thought you only get a criminal record if you are convicted in court for that crime. Not when you are in the process of getting arrested and charged?

true. however:

most jobs nowadays require a "criminal record" check. like someone mentioned before, it's specifically charges and convictions (ie: whether you've been charged with an offence and whether or not you've been convicted of it). also, keep in mind that even if you get a stay of proceedings and think you've got off scott-free because you weren't found guilty, the SOP will still appear on a criminal record search.

however, when you show up to your local police department or RCMP detachment for to get a criminal record check, you're actually getting a police information check instead which is a WAY broader and in-depth search into your police history. basically, not only do they look at charges and convictions but at all incidents where you've been involved and have had an adverse role code (ie: they'll be looking at incidents where you've been listed as a suspect, suspect chargeable, etc.).

so what that means that just because you weren't charged/arrested/spend a night in jail/etc., don't think that you've escaped the consequences.

not only that but you cannot even imagine the amount of information sharing that goes on without your explicit knowledge and consent between government agencies (police or otherwise). basically, what i'm saying is, don't get onto the police database.

[coolname]

you don't exactly have to deal with assholes day in and out.


i work in a resturant, so yes i do.

[parm104]

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

[twdm]

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

The guy being a douche doesn't entitle him to be punched. It doesn't mean the cop should be fired. Cop-defender my ass. It is just not getting my panties all tied up in a knot for a punch. There are bigger fishes to fry.

[bing]

i work in a resturant, so yes i do.

Was I talking to you? my comment was to a professed accountant, an individual who likely isn't in a profession with rotating shift work, potentially frequent exposure to traumatic incidents, and with an increased risk for PTSD, marital failure (though there is a magical number where relationships that last X number of years tend to have a reduced chance of divorce percentage wise), and domestic violence.

But even considering your circumstances, its not so black and white (i.e. yes I deal with assholes or no I do not). An asshole restaurant patron asking for his food to be recooked or not leaving enough tips for instance would not be of the same variety that I expect police to have to deal with on a regular basis.

[E-SPEC]

Where the fuck is SOUNDY? He thinks that this guy deserved what he got. and thinks most brutality is warranted from what i have seen.

[Gridlock]

LOL so much ridiculousness in this thread. The usual cop-defenders are in here whole-heartedly defending actions and coming up with non-sense garbage to justify his actions. "the guy was a douche," lol so yeh...that means you get to punch him.

"well the cop puts his life in line to serve and protect citizens like us." yah...and he gets paid handsomely for it with benefits galore. And the next time someone wants to argue that police have a dangerous job and their lives are in danger and they sacrifice that for the greater good...look at some statistics and see how many on-job casualties have occurred with RCMP officers in the last decade.

As I've stated before, I've got a handful of family who are members and respect them for it. They're also making a good living and they do so in a respectful manner. As a matter of fact, I know the officer in this video personally. That doesn't skew my reality and it doesn't make me believe that officers are entitled to break the law without repercussions.

There is a big responsibility that comes with being in a position of power. With power you gain respect, in this case, automatic respect once you put that uniform on. That being said, it's extremely important to put in an active effort to maintain that level of respect and show a good example for your community, the one you've decided to protect. All eyes are on you and the level of scrutiny is high, as it should be.

The guy being a douche doesn't entitle him to be punched. It doesn't mean the cop should be fired. Cop-defender my ass. It is just not getting my panties all tied up in a knot for a punch. There are bigger fishes to fry.

Don't fight about it kids, I think you both nailed it.

He should have had more respect for the job than getting caught on tape hitting a guy, something that could have been avoided by NOT hitting the guy...but let's not make it out to be the YVR incident 2.0 as the douche will get to go home and nurse a bruise.

I don't think the cop should walk away from it, but I don't feel its an assault charge having to be defended in court.

[NSX]

Political Appeasement. Good luck convicting him.
Articulate well = GG.

[Iceman-19]

I'll take this bet on behalf of Manic... Unless he wants in and make it double or nothing

I have $500 to put down.

[Redlines_Daily]

Yes except my RPh now makes his arguments invalid. See what I did there? What designation are you going to toss out? Designations don't mean shit in an proper argument.

Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.

Hell Mayor Robb Ford probably broke every drug possession law out there and he's still the mayor of Toronto.

You must be pretty dumb and naive to think every professional out there is performing in a professional manner.

:facepalm: please teach me to be smart like you

[twdm]

:facepalm: please teach me to be smart like you

Sorry, not gonna bite. Please explain more about how his designation makes his argument more valid. Otherwise stick to throwing feces at anyone who destroy your arguments.

[Redlines_Daily]

CGA also have a code of conduct to follow that they agree to when they receive their designation, violating it can be reason for dismissal, that's how! Do I really need to explain that, is it imperative to this thread? It's like talking to children sometimes..

[melloman]

People don't "charge" anyone. In BC, the Police forward Charges to Crown. Crown then approves or rejects Charges. You, yourself, have the process wrong.... not even close... this is how it goes

- charge gets rejected (goes no where)

- charge gets approved, first appearance court date where person charged pleads guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, it goes to trial which will be a future date. If guilty then the charged will be sentenced. Depending on what the judge decides, it could mean a criminal record, but not always.

Sorry for the mistake. Your completely correct.

Yet if the charges get approved and the person is arrested, he is then put into the police database. Whether he gets convicted or not, on a standard background check, it will show up saying he was "involved" in an assault. It will state whether he was convicted or not.

[Iceman-19]

Thing is, if you work in an office, there is no reason why you should be in a physical altercation with a client. Part of police work involves violence with clients. So when something like this happens, it doesn't mean immediate termination, it means an investigation to reveal what led up to it. As mentioned in many other posts regarding use of force, Police are allowed to use reasonable force necessary to apprehend an individual. Just because he has been charged doesn't mean he is guilty/convicted. It basically means there will be a likelihood of a trial where both sides can provide evidence regarding the matter.



People don't "charge" anyone. In BC, the Police forward Charges to Crown. Crown then approves or rejects Charges. You, yourself, have the process wrong.... not even close... this is how it goes

- charge gets rejected (goes no where)

- charge gets approved, first appearance court date where person charged pleads guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, it goes to trial which will be a future date. If guilty then the charged will be sentenced. Depending on what the judge decides, it could mean a criminal record, but not always.


Don't know why you got failed at all for this post, since it is the truth.

Yes, police forward the charges to crown. They can do that themselves based off of something they saw, OR, and this is what I said, based on what somebody said, IE, a statement. Which, as I said previously, cause a warrent to be issued and said person arrested and held in jail until they can see a judge to release them on bail. They can still be later found not guilty, and still see the inside of a jail cell. You follow what I am saying now? If you state that I am wrong about this, then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

[AzNightmare]

Sorry, not gonna bite. Please explain more about how his designation makes his argument more valid. Otherwise stick to throwing feces at anyone who destroy your arguments.

So I guess you didn't know what "CGA" meant (before you went and Googled it) and got your jimmies all rustled? You also missed the point of his post.

In this day and age, MOST jobs, especially "white-collar" office jobs will not tolerate physical fighting. It's not something that will just get brushed over. It's not professional, and it makes the company look bad to have staff that can't control their temper. You let one guy get away, then management is basically giving the "OK" to go and punch people every time there's a disagreement.

I would like to know what kind of job you have, where it's pretty chilled and okay to punch people without a single fuck given.

[E-SPEC]

Jersey whore Snooki deserved her punch more than this guy deserved his. FACT.

[twdm]

So I guess you didn't know what "CGA" meant (before you went and Googled it) and got your jimmies all rustled? You also missed the point of his post.

In this day and age, MOST jobs, especially "white-collar" office jobs will not tolerate physical fighting. It's not something that will just get brushed over. It's not professional, and it makes the company look bad to have staff that can't control their temper. You let one guy get away, then management is basically giving the "OK" to go and punch people every time there's a disagreement.

I would like to know what kind of job you have, where it's pretty chilled and okay to punch people without a single fuck given.

You're completely missing the point. You're comparing apples to oranges. Punching a guy in a job where physical altercations is a commonplace is not the same as an accountant falcon punching his client across a desk cause he didn't like the way he talked.

Last time I checked, getting into pharmacy was harder than getting a CGA, where every clown with a degree could get a designation. Maybe you know better, oh wait you didn't google what RPh meant.

I'm glad you don't run the police department because we would end up with no more police officers because they're all fired or in jail for every petty crime.

[Iceman_2K]

A pill counter versus a bean counter....more awesome of a fight video than the cop punching the cyclist.

[AzNightmare]

:suspicious:

I'm responding to your ignorant posts, which didn't seem at all to have intentions of so-called "apples to oranges" comparison.

Do people get fired for punching a douche in the face? Don't know where you come from...
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If you got fired for punching someone in the face then you must have been pretty shitty at your job. Throwing out big acronyms doesn't make your argument more valid BTW.
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Like I said, if your employer thinks you are so disposable that punching a douchebag will get you fired, then you're pretty shitty at your job.


At this point, not once did you mention you're talking about physical altercations jobs vs "desk" jobs. Which you should have clarified if you weren't so busy getting rustled about the "CGA" title.

You're completely missing the point. You're comparing apples to oranges. Punching a guy in a job where physical altercations is a commonplace is not the same as an accountant falcon punching his client across a desk cause he didn't like the way he talked.

Last time I checked, getting into pharmacy was harder than getting a CGA, where every clown with a degree could get a designation. Maybe you know better, oh wait you didn't google what RPh meant.

I'm glad you don't run the police department because we would end up with no more police officers because they're all fired or in jail for every petty crime.

No, that is exactly my point. But even as an officer or security guard (or some similar job), you need to be responsible for your actions. And it has nothing to do with being disposable or terrific at the job. And you specifically implied it DID matter, twice.

No one cares about CGA or RPh or which one is harder to get. I could have just said a shitty desk job. Only you're so caught up about titles.

Only reason Police MAY get away with punching someone is if he can justify it, where as a common desk job staff will have a pretty hard time justifying it. Whether all police brutality cases are justified or not is another topic, and I can't explain this specific video because all potential police brutality cases need to be further investigated by people with more info. Not by people in a forum with limited info of the scenario, or by people who automatically think it's justified to punch people for being "employee of the month".

[twdm]

:suspicious:

I'm responding to your ignorant posts, which didn't seem at all to have intentions of so-called "apples to oranges" comparison.

At this point, not once did you mention you're talking about physical altercations jobs vs "desk" jobs. Which you should have clarified if you weren't so busy getting rustled about the "CGA" title.
It's called using your brain and process differences in situations

No, that is exactly my point. But even as an officer or security guard (or some similar job), you need to be responsible for your actions. And it has nothing to do with being disposable or terrific at the job. And you specifically implied it DID matter, twice.
So you're saying if you punched a criminal after a physical altercation and after verbal abuse, your boss would fire you. Like I said if that is the case, you're a shitty employee.


No one cares about CGA or RPh or which one is harder to get. I could have just said a shitty desk job. Only you're so caught up about titles.
Oh really. Let me show you EXHIBIT #1
The same can be said about private citizens that work in high profile jobs, so yes his CGA designation does make his argument more valid.

Only reason Police MAY get away with punching someone is if he can justify it, where as a common desk job staff will have a pretty hard time justifying it. Whether all police brutality cases are justified or not is another topic, and I can't explain this specific video because all potential police brutality cases need to be further investigated by people with more info. Not by people in a forum with limited info of the scenario, or by people who automatically think it's justified to punch people for being "employee of the month".
We're not discussing whether he should walk away scott-free or not. We are arguing whether he should be fired. Please put on your reading comprehension glasses. Where did you see that I said he shouldn't be punished?

A pill counter versus a bean counter....more awesome of a fight video than the cop punching the cyclist.

And what do you do sir? You angry that pharmacists get paid more than you for counting in 5's? Cause that's all they teach us in 4 years :). Comments like this just further prove how clueless you are. So have you been arrested for punching me yet?

Seriously, watch the video again.
1. You have the stereo typical douchebag cyclist: no helmet, no regards for the laws of the road.
2. Asks what he is being arrested for and pull his hand away not once but twice. Not in any point in the video can you see him wince in pain as many here may claim.
3. On the second time, (who knows how many times he did this before the video) the cop becomes fed up and punches him for resisting arrest.

Excessive force? Definitely.
Do I understand from his point of view after dealing with these douches day in day out? Yes.
Should he be punished? Yes
Should he lose his job? Not unless he has other past incidents that would warrant dismissal

The amount of cop-hating in this forum is excessive. Half the time, it is from underachieving idiots who hate cops because just they gave them a ticket for speeding or driving like a douche and they go into every cop incident thread looking for blood. Take off your colored glasses and look at both sides of the equation.

[Iceman_2K]

Well, someone's pill counting panties are in a bunch.....

[E-SPEC]

Well, someone's pill counting panties are in a bunch.....
Pill counting panties wrapped around a Vaginal region.

[dhari]

This thread is so refreshing to read after counting beans all day :troll:

[Iceman_2K]

Indeed - I too feel refreshed after a long day of counting pills baked in beans.
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[twdm]

Indeed - I too feel refreshed after a long day of counting pills baked in beans.
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You didn't get arrested yet?
Where's my $500?

[Iceman_2K]

Of course not. Its medicinal baking. The $250 is in an envelope being sent around the world to a Nigerian prince who will use it to escape prison, and double its amount.

You didn't get arrested yet?
Where's my $500?

[parm104]

And the ridiculousness of this thread continues...lol keep up the good work twdm

[Iceman-19]

You didn't get arrested yet?
Where's my $500?

Wrong Iceman idiot.