[subordinate]

Thoughts?

Accidents happen but maybe she should have got a driving ban for a year.

Bieber concert crash driver not guilty - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bieber-concert-crash-driver-not-guilty-1.1859452)

Family members of two young people killed on their way home by a speeding car from a Justin Bieber concert in Vancouver three years ago say they cannot believe the driver was found not guilty of dangerous driving causing death.

Andelina Hecimovic, now 26, was charged with two counts of dangerous driving causing death after Johnny deOliveira, 21, and Beckie Dyer, 19, were killed when the Toyota driven by Hecimovic skidded, flipped over and slammed into their Suzuki Swift in Pitt Meadows, B.C.

"Their lives were worth something. She can walk and breathe and get married and have babies and we don't get that. We will not ever see that," says Audrey deOliveira.
Beiber concert crash victims



Johnny deOliveira, 21, and Beckie Dyer, 19, were killed when the Toyota driven by Andelina Hecimovic skidded, flipped over and slammed into their Suzuki Swift in Pitt Meadows three years ago. (CBC)

At the trial earlier this month, crash investigators alleged Hecimovic was driving aggressively on the night of the crash.

But Hecimovic testified she was distraught because of events at work that night and failed to see the lights at the intersection through her tears after making a lane change.

But speaking outside the courtroom on Wednesday, the victims' families said they didn't buy Hecimovic's defence, saying the verdict sends a dangerous message to drivers.

[Inaii]

If you're crying hard enough to not see lights, you should be pulling over until you're finished. Bullshit excuse imo.

[beanzzz]

The Canadian justice system is a joke, I'm pretty sure the motorcyclist that hit the 3 girls in Surrey killing one of them will get off with a slap on the wrist even through he may have been speeding.

[GrapeDrink]

.. what the fuck, how in the hell are her tears a legit defence, what a fucking joke.

[subordinate]

If you're crying hard enough to not see lights, you should be pulling over until you're finished. Bullshit excuse imo.

Agreed.

I was driving last week and some sweat/sun screen mixed and went in my eye. It stung like a b@#$@, but did I keep driving? No. Sensible thing dictates to pull over asap, compose yourself and drive again.

Long drive? Sleepy? Do you keep driving? No.....that's dumb, pull over at a rest stop.

This excuse is definitely lame. I'd like to know her lawyer's name. I'd like his business card in case....

[xilley]

Bieber is guilty.

[Lomac]

The Canadian justice system is a joke, I'm pretty sure the motorcyclist that hit the 3 girls in Surrey killing one of them will get off with a slap on the wrist even through he may have been speeding.

Whatever happened to people being considered innocent before proven guilty?

[Porschedog]

can't see through her tears.. how did that even win the case for her

[Traum]

Judges handing out slap on the wrist light sentences on guilty verdicts is one thing (and that's already a joke in itself). Getting off scotch free after excessive speeding, blowing through a red light, paying no attention during lane changes, and killing 2 people in the process just takes our Canadian judicial system to a whole new (low) level.

Our current justice and attorney general is the Liberal's Suzanne Anton. I have absolutely no faith in her abilities. It is pointless to complain to her about how ridiculous the ruling turned out.

On a different note, can someone confirm that the verdict was decided on by the judge? And who might that judge be? From the news reports, I seem to get the impression that there wasn't a jury involved with this case.

[J-Chow]

....way to go justice system... you've now just set a new history of precedent.

[FerrariEnzo]

great... now every DD will use this excuse in court to try and get off any charges..

[Iceman-19]

Agreed.

I was driving last week and some sweat/sun screen mixed and went in my eye. It stung like a b@#$@, but did I keep driving? No. Sensible thing dictates to pull over asap, compose yourself and drive again.

Long drive? Sleepy? Do you keep driving? No.....that's dumb, pull over at a rest stop.

This excuse is definitely lame. I'd like to know her lawyer's name. I'd like his business card in case....

Women are not logical.

[MarkyMark]

Well look at the bright side, if you ever do something completely fucking stupid here you can walk into court feeling pretty confident that the worst thing that'll happen to you is an article in the paper making everyone angry.
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[Gridlock]

scotch free

scot free.

Scot is an old-world term for tax, so the saying is literally saying "getting away with it tax free" meaning without payment, which has been changed slightly to "getting away with something without payment or penalty"

http://076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.c om/images/files/000/006/087/original/original.0

[lowside67]

The Canadian justice system is a joke, I'm pretty sure the motorcyclist that hit the 3 girls in Surrey killing one of them will get off with a slap on the wrist even through he may have been speeding.
You're a fucking retard. The 3 girls JAYWALKED IN FRONT OF HIM. Every single media report I have heard lately has been like "1 girl has died, 2 girls are still in the hospital"... no mention of the fact that the motorcyclist is also in the hospital.

There was literally a mother of somebody else in the school on the radio this morning quoted as saying "kids are going to jaywalk, the speed limits should be lowered to reflect this." The whole reason that elementary schools have 30km/h school zones and high schools do not is because by the time you are in high school you should be able to figure out how to look both ways FFS.

Mark

[ZN6]

Justin Bieber spat on her. Charge Bieber for assault.

[wstce92]

You're a fucking retard. The 3 girls JAYWALKED IN FRONT OF HIM. Every single media report I have heard lately has been like "1 girl has died, 2 girls are still in the hospital"... no mention of the fact that the motorcyclist is also in the hospital.

There was literally a mother of somebody else in the school on the radio this morning quoted as saying "kids are going to jaywalk, the speed limits should be lowered to reflect this." The whole reason that elementary schools have 30km/h school zones and high schools do not is because by the time you are in high school you should be able to figure out how to look both ways FFS.

Mark

jesus christ. some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids... "kids are going to jaywalk, the speed limits should be lowered to reflect this" :fulloffuck:
how bout you teach your grown ass kids not to jaywalk, and if they still do stupid shit, then tough luck, darwin

[Gridlock]

You're a fucking retard. The 3 girls JAYWALKED IN FRONT OF HIM. Every single media report I have heard lately has been like "1 girl has died, 2 girls are still in the hospital"... no mention of the fact that the motorcyclist is also in the hospital.

There was literally a mother of somebody else in the school on the radio this morning quoted as saying "kids are going to jaywalk, the speed limits should be lowered to reflect this." The whole reason that elementary schools have 30km/h school zones and high schools do not is because by the time you are in high school you should be able to figure out how to look both ways FFS.

Mark

The goal we seem to have is to put enough padding in front of everyone and anyone, kids especially and protect them from this dark evil world.

Shit fucking happens.

It's sad, we cry...we move on.

We can't prevent every accident, and we can't always be 100% on 100% of the time.

I'm so tired of the war on handheld devices, and the need to have a speed limit of 20 kph...with handy dandy fat ass fines to teach you a lesson and a bunch of fucking robots parroting out the same words every chance they get to admonish you for the the things they do themselves.

I can't drive a single day without noticing a pedestrian just walking, right of way or not to make sure that they have been seen and noticed and its safe to go. I'm not saying you should have to...I'm saying you should want to. That's an ounce of personal protection you should take upon yourself. My mom taught me that when I was 5.

"Look both ways before you cross the street"

That to me doesn't say, "sub-paragraph 2, not needed when you are in a crosswalk because fuck cars man, its your world right now. They have to stop, because someone painted lines on the road...what the hell man! I'm walking here! Didn't you see me, I jumped off the sidewalk wearing all black at night"

Checking who called while you are at a red light isn't going to kill kittens.

Doing 65 in a 50 when there is no traffic isn't going to kill kittens.

Drinking a beer in a park when you aren't a raging alcoholic or douche isn't going to kill kittens.

And a dose of personal responsibility can save your life...Stop always putting it in other people's hands.

[JaPoola]

Whatever happened to people being considered innocent before proven guilty?

Once you get on a motorcycle, in the public eye you're guilty of everything you've done, are doing, or might do in the future.

[604STIG]

She was doing 130 KM/H in a 80, that right there would be enough for any of us to have the book thrown at us. Cars were stopped at the RED light so she moved into the right turn only lane and blasted through the intersection hitting a median and smoking the other car, killing 2. NOT GUILTY???:fulloffuck::fulloffuck::fulloffuck:

One of the judges excuses/comments was (paraphrasing) "It's known that cars usually speed through this stretch of road." So that makes it legit now?:ahwow:

Also, he commented that the car did not further accelerate when going through the intersection. No shit you dumb fuck, her car was probably already at max speed, it's a Toyota.

So if you maintain your excessive speed, blow through a red light, in a lane that doesn't even go through the intersection, say "just having a bad day", unfamiliar with the intersection (even though you regularly travel through it) and you never saw the lights. All will be well.:rukidding:

[Traum]

^^ The judge in this case is a she -- Madam Justice J. Miriam Gropper.

As I read through that name, I can't help but feel disgusted by her title. "Justice Gropper". Where the fxxk is the justice in the ruling that she handed out?!

[Jmac]

Bullshit ...

[Verdasco]

if justin bieber wasn't alive, these 2 folks would still be!!

[dvst8]

fucking joke.

[GLOW]

i thought DD meant drunk driving until i read the article

[fliptuner]

So she's an ER nurse and because someone threw up on her, she was so distraught that after her shift, she was crying, speeding, and bowling through red lights, subsequently killing 2 innocent kids? This was her defense? AND IT WORKED?!?!?!

How did the judge conclude that, Hecimovic's, "simple carelessness" didn't equate to dangerous driving, causing death? What, because it wasn't premeditated? Because there's no formal charge called careless driving, causing death?

What a bunch of fucking retards.


On a side note, if an ER nurse gets that fucked up, just cause someone vomited on them, they're probably in the wrong line of work.

[GLOW]

where'd you get the info about her being a nurse?

[fliptuner]

It's in the CBC vid, along with the judge's comment about it being simple carelessness.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bieber-concert-crash-driver-not-guilty-1.1859452

[Mr.HappySilp]

So she's an ER nurse and because someone threw up on her, she was so distraught that after her shift, she was crying, speeding, and bowling through red lights, subsequently killing 2 innocent kids? This was her defense? AND IT WORKED?!?!?!

How did the judge conclude that, Hecimovic's, "simple carelessness" didn't equate to dangerous driving, causing death? What, because it wasn't premeditated? Because there's no formal charge called careless driving, causing death?

What a bunch of fucking retards.


On a side note, if an ER nurse gets that fucked up, just cause someone vomited on them, they're probably in the wrong line of work.
I hate to see what happens when a paitent shits on her shirt.......

[fliptuner]

Close YVR

[bensta]

law abiding citizen irl about to happen.

[freakshow]

so the direct result of her dangerous driving caused two deaths. and she wasn't convicted of "dangerous driving causing death"?

:facepalm:

[jaguar604]

Someone get me her lawyers number! Tragic for the families :( but amazing work by the defence lawyer!

[mb_]

Man, this girl is fucking retarded. Judge is even a bigger one for letting her get away with shit that claimed the lives of innocent people who didn't deserve it. May karma get around to her. Condolences to the families.
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[parm104]

Close YVR

The airport? Why...

[hotong]

what a stupid bitch

[fliptuner]

Is there any info on if she at least got charged for her MVA violations? By my count, she could've been charged with at least 6 offences.

144(1)(a),(b) and (c), 131(1)(a), 148(1), 165(5). 144 and 148 should at least keep her off the road for a year.

http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/tickets/paying-disputing/chart-offenceswithfines

[dinosaur]

I watched a clip from last night's news on global....the justification the judge used was "although she was speeding, her speed didn't INCREASE while going through the intersection" and she was "unfamiliar with the intersection and didn't realize the far right lane was a turning lane".

:fulloffuck::facepalm:

I just don't get it....

[Nabatron]

this must be the biggest bullshit excuse I have ever read! this legal/justice system is fucked up!

[SpeedStars]

The tears story isn't legit. With my armchair investigative knowledge, why the fk would you be crying after a concert where you are likely to be cheerful and dancing? I call bs on her story and the judge. Saying people speeding through the intersection makes it ok makes no sense.
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[Gridlock]

The tears story isn't legit. With my armchair investigative knowledge, why the fk would you be crying after a concert where you are likely to be cheerful and dancing? I call bs on her story and the judge. Saying people speeding through the intersection makes it ok makes no sense.
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sit in your armchair a little longer, read a bit more and realize the perpetrator was working, the victims were at the concert.

[freakshow]

I watched a clip from last night's news on global....the justification the judge used was "although she was speeding, her speed didn't INCREASE while going through the intersection" and she was "unfamiliar with the intersection and didn't realize the far right lane was a turning lane".

I just don't get it....

Well I'm glad that the Canadian justice system has decided the ignorance is a viable excuse for breaking the law.

[Hondaracer]

Like I've said before shit like this is gonna end with Somone walking into the court house and shooting everyone involved
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[RRxtar]

Man. That is really fucked up. There has to be more to the story somehow. I mean, you hear about cases getting thrown out due to stupid shit like a cop not dotting an " i " in a report and handing in a note 2 minutes late or some irrelevant bullshit like that, but this one actually went thru court, and she was still found not guilty?!

What happened to negligence causing death? Where you dont intend to kill someone, but thru your direct or indirect actions, someone died.


Seriously, how the fuck.

[dinosaur]

Wonder what would have happened if it wasn't a white female.....

At this point, you can't tell me the judge wasn't swayed a little by the fact she is a young white female who looks like a librarian.

Just sayin'

[Bonjour43MA]

Ladies and gentleman - I present to you the result of a Liberal government and policy making method for the past few decades. The sense of personal responsibility has been replaced with self-entitlement and complete lack of ownership to ones actions, and the tree-hugging mentality of "Transforming" criminals instead of "Punishing". We live in a fucked up world with fucked up people (whether by choice or not), so the idea of lenient sentencing in hopes they can be rehabilitated and be "re-introduced" into society has shown to be completely useless.

I'm not saying that by having heavier sentences for every drunk driving case would prevent something like this from happening (just as more gun laws won't make the streets safer from criminals - they don't care!), but in this case, the judge was completely wrong and useless in her not guilty verdict. It sends a DANGEROUS and WRONG message to people that "oh, it wasn't my fault, I was distraught so I was careless and killed 2 random people. It's not my fault! It's the tears! It's work! It's everything but me!". The judge ruled based on emotions, not facts, and that sets a dangerous precedent for future cases to come. You CANNOT make/enforce laws and policies based on emotions.

This case needs to go higher and be appealed. Wrong verdict, incompetent/emotional judge, useless justice system, and at the end of the day, 2 broken families that don't have any closure.

Justice was not served.

[CRS]

Ladies and gentleman - I present to you the result of a Liberal government and policy making method for the past few decades. The sense of personal responsibility has been replaced with self-entitlement and complete lack of ownership to ones actions, and the tree-hugging mentality of "Transforming" criminals instead of "Punishing". We live in a fucked up world with fucked up people (whether by choice or not), so the idea of lenient sentencing in hopes they can be rehabilitated and be "re-introduced" into society has shown to be completely useless.

I'm not saying that by having heavier sentences for every drunk driving case would prevent something like this from happening (just as more gun laws won't make the streets safer from criminals - they don't care!), but in this case, the judge was completely wrong and useless in her not guilty verdict. It sends a DANGEROUS and WRONG message to people that "oh, it wasn't my fault, I was distraught so I was careless and killed 2 random people. It's not my fault! It's the tears! It's work! It's everything but me!". The judge ruled based on emotions, not facts, and that sets a dangerous precedent for future cases to come. You CANNOT make/enforce laws and policies based on emotions.

This case needs to go higher and be appealed. Wrong verdict, incompetent/emotional judge, useless justice system, and at the end of the day, 2 broken families that don't have any closure.

Justice was not served.

Ugh. What? How did this turn into a Liberal smear post?!

[subordinate]

Wonder what would have happened if it wasn't a white female.....

At this point, you can't tell me the judge wasn't swayed a little by the fact she is a young white female who looks like a librarian.

Just sayin'

you know, I thought the same. That is until I did a search, dangerous driving found not guilty of causing death in Canada.

It's sad, but this looks to be a common thing. I guess the precedence was set a while ago. An example is one guy in Winnipeg was driving 112 km/h in a 60km/h zone construction zone and killed a pretty flag woman. :badpokerface:

Man found not guilty of Dangerous Driving Causing Death | CTV Winnipeg News (http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/man-found-not-guilty-of-dangerous-driving-causing-death-1.1345906)

So....I guess we know how the court system works

[Traum]

^^ Except for the Liberals smearing bit, I quite agree with Bonjour43MA's post. People this day and age really need to own up to their own mistakes and start shouldering their own responsibilities. This entitlement mentality bullshxt really needs to end.

What happened to negligence causing death? Where you dont intend to kill someone, but thru your direct or indirect actions, someone died.
With the way our bullshxt legal system works, there is probably a good chance that the "negligence causing death" charge has been all boxed up and given an extremely narrow definition where the slightest deviation from that strict legal definition means the alleged perpetrator will get off the hook. This is why a lot of average folks like us get pissed off at the legal system. It is only there to protect those who knows how to play the game, or those that have the means to hire someone to play the game for them. Average folks like us will just get fxxked in the a$$ by the system time after time.

[RRxtar]

Wonder what would have happened if it wasn't a white female.....

At this point, you can't tell me the judge wasn't swayed a little by the fact she is a young white female who looks like a librarian.

Just sayin'
Wonder what would happen if it wasn't a female judge.

At this point, you can't tell me the judge wasn't swayed a little by the fact women make decisions based on emotions and not fact, and sympathized with another woman who's emotions got her in a bad spot.

Just sayin'

[dinosaur]

^ Yeah, I kind of agree.

I'm not a true "women's lib" person as I have encountered very littlegender discrimination in my life (few workplace issues and here of all places), so I don't like to think of how the outcome of this case was effected by gender.....but for lack of another logical reason, maybe you are right.

[trip]

dat fucking chewbacca defence... flawless

Chewbacca defense - YouTube

[Gridlock]

Are you having a bad day? Just not feeling yourself? Maybe you find yourself crying and alone, smelling just a hint like vomit. Just finished plowing through an intersection where you killed two happy go lucky teenagers?

We understand. For that, and more...there's
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Because the world doesn't always have to suffer at your expense.

[fishCak3s]

It's just sad to see people lose their lives because someone else's mistake.

You make mistakes in life, you should face the consequences.

[Lomac]

It's just sad to see people lose their lives because someone else's mistake.

You make mistakes in life, you should face the consequences.

I half agree with that. I don't disagree with the general consensus that this woman should have been given more than basically a "don't do it again." If she was in an unfamiliar area and was distraught, she should have at the very minimum slowed down, if not simply stop and pull over to the side of the road until she was more composed.

However, killing someone with your car shouldn't be an automatic sentence in jail. Suppose you're puttering along at the speed limit, say 60km/hr, and someone suddenly jumps out in front of your car at the very last moment. Will the courts then be required to put you into jail and/or pay a heavy fine for something that 1) wasn't your fault, and, 2) unavoidable?

[Doubl3_H]

I half agree with that. I don't disagree with the general consensus that this woman should have been given more than basically a "don't do it again." If she was in an unfamiliar area and was distraught, she should have at the very minimum slowed down, if not simply stop and pull over to the side of the road until she was more composed.

However, killing someone with your car shouldn't be an automatic sentence in jail. Suppose you're puttering along at the speed limit, say 60km/hr, and someone suddenly jumps out in front of your car at the very last moment. Will the courts then be required to put you into jail and/or pay a heavy fine for something that 1) wasn't your fault, and, 2) unavoidable?

I strongly disagree with your second statement. This was not the scenario in this case, first she was full of tears and emotionally distraught, second, she drove through that area before and was smart enough to make the lane change to dodge the cars that were stopped at the intersection for the red.

This was not about the couple being negligent and put themselves in danger, IT's about the acquitted's negligence that took away 2 innocent lives.

This whole tragedy was 100% avoidable.

[Lomac]

I strongly disagree with your second statement. This was not the scenario in this case, first she was full of tears and emotionally distraught, second, she drove through that area before and was smart enough to make the lane change to dodge the cars that were stopped at the intersection for the red.

This was not about the couple being negligent and put themselves in danger, IT's about the acquitted's negligence that took away 2 innocent lives.

This whole tragedy was 100% avoidable.

Like I posted, I don't disagree that this woman should have gotten a harsher sentence. However, a lot of what I've been reading online and in the papers is about how any motor vehicle incident where a death is involved should come with a minimum jail time sentence. That's what the second half of my post referred to. I was too rushed at the time to explain it properly

[fliptuner]

Can you imagine how many people she endangered from Eagle Ridge Hospital to Pitt Meadows? It's not exactly close.

Also, to get an idea of how obscene the judge's comment was, imagine doing 120 on Kingsway, blowing through a red light and when you get pulled over and the cop asks you wtf you're doing, you say, "Sorry, officer. It's just a case of simple carelessness. Good thing no one died.".......and he says, "That sounds reasonable. Be more careful please. Bye."
:fulloffuck:

[rsx]

how is being emotionally and mentally distraught different from driving under the influence? both impair judgement, coordination, and motor skills.

should've been sentenced

[Rainei]

Can you imagine how many people she endangered from Eagle Ridge Hospital to Pitt Meadows? It's not exactly close.

Also, to get an idea of how obscene the judge's comment was, imagine doing 120 on Kingsway, blowing through a red light and when you get pulled over and the cop asks you wtf you're doing, you say, "Sorry, officer. It's just a case of simple carelessness. Good thing no one died.".......and he says, "That sounds reasonable. Be more careful please. Bye."
:fulloffuck:

I completely agree. It's ok to do some excessive speeding, as long as you kill 2 people. And cry a little.

[Noir]

Anybody else not buy the "distraught" angle?

Maybe someone else can say otherwise but in my general experience, when I'm distraught or depressed/having a bad day, I usually drive slower, as I'm usually un-energetic or kinda lethargic.

My aggressive driving usually comes out with emotions stemming from "urgency", anger or frustration.



I have my suspicions that the "distraught" story is nothing more than an excuse and whoever legally represented her sold it well.

[Jmac]

This story makes me want to do this:
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/091/f/c/desk_flip_guy_in_hd_by_lemmino-d6021t4.png

[GLOW]

so does this set a dangerous precedent for future cases similar to this?

[Anjew]

did she lose her job? did her close co-worker die at work? being distraught is no excuse for this.... :facepalm:

[Mr.HappySilp]

If that's the case she should get fire from her job. Basically she is not fit to work if she can't handle a little stress.

I have stress everyday from work so am I allow to go around killing people and later say I was distracted and stress and get a free ticket?

[freakshow]

i'm distraught after hearing this verdict.. can i run her over and use her case as precedent?