[masterroshi]

Hi, my highschool average will range from 85%-87%. What do you guys think my chances are of getting into SFU arts/business. If I dont get in im planning on going to Kwantlen and then transferring. Is that easier? Harder? What do you guys think??
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[J.C]

you'll get into arts with 86

[yray]

i got into arts @79.5 :troll:

[xXSupa]

Hi, my highschool average will range from 85%-87%. What do you guys think my chances are of getting into SFU arts/business. If I dont get in im planning on going to Kwantlen and then transferring. Is that easier? Harder? What do you guys think??
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With your average, you should be able to get into Arts without a problem. Depending on your broad-base app, business may be borderline.

A lot of people go into university / college with the misconception that if they don't get into their first choice immediately, they'll just transfer for second year. It's really not that easy to transfer from any school to UBC / SFU. It is extremely competitive and there are tons of people doing it. If you think about it, you getting into UBC / SFU means that at least one person who was already attending that school had to have been kicked out / transferred.

This saying's probably cliche by now, but its for a good reason. Don't slack off in grade 12 thinking that you can just transfer later. Try your hardest, and even if you don't make it in the end, at least you know that you really did try.

Good luck!

[J.C]

+1 wish i tried harder in grade 11/12
easier to get good marks in high school and get directly into the faculty you want than to get good marks in uni and transfer in 2nd year

[BrRsn]

Transferring is better for 2 reasons:

- GPA for transfer to SFU/UBC with 60 credits is lower than straight from highschool (i.e. 75% is more than adequate -- which trust me, is easy to achieve if you're focused on school)
- You are marked on a curve in most classes, this means against your peers. Although I shouldn't say this, colleges like kwantlen will have more people focused on other things in life like work, therefore their marks will reflect that (basically, it'll be easier for you to get A's).

If you're thinking of going to any kind of grad school, your GPA will matter, and for the most part most won't care where you spent the first 2 years of your schooling. I made the mistake of going straight to SFU -- If I could do it again, I'd take my first 2 years at Kwantlen/Langara then I would have transferred over for my last 2 years -- just for the benefit of padding my GPA.

[fs604]

Probably won't get into business, but arts for sure. But it shouldn't be too hard to transfer from arts into beedie; first year econ/business courses' averages are pretty low so just make sure you take the general first year courses with the easy profs and your gpa should be high enough to transfer in.

[tmc22]

If money is also an issue, then you should seriously consider going to colleges like Langara or Kwantlen, because for the 4 classes I take at sfu, I pay around 2500, whereas at Langara you're looking at about half of my tuition for the same amount of classes/credits.

[RevYouUp]

Go transfer from Kwantlen. Trust me, I've made the mistake of going straight into SFU for computer science when I really wanted to be in business. It'll be pretty hard to transfer to the business faculties at SFU since you have to compete on a curve in the business classes. It'll suck if you get a low GPA and end up not being able to transfer to the business faculty. You'll end up with useless business credits and majoring in a degree that you don't like.
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[MindBomber]

Transferring is better for 2 reasons:

- GPA for transfer to SFU/UBC with 60 credits is lower than straight from highschool (i.e. 75% is more than adequate -- which trust me, is easy to achieve if you're focused on school)
- You are marked on a curve in most classes, this means against your peers. Although I shouldn't say this, colleges like kwantlen will have more people focused on other things in life like work, therefore their marks will reflect that (basically, it'll be easier for you to get A's).

If you're thinking of going to any kind of grad school, your GPA will matter, and for the most part most won't care where you spent the first 2 years of your schooling. I made the mistake of going straight to SFU -- If I could do it again, I'd take my first 2 years at Kwantlen/Langara then I would have transferred over for my last 2 years -- just for the benefit of padding my GPA.

I have no experience with Kwantlen business courses, but Kwantlen arts courses are not marked on a curve. I have attended UBC and Kwantlen, and noticed no overall difference in difficulty. I have had several professors who teach simultaneously at SFU, UBC, and Kwantlen, which would explain that observation. I have seen a professor who teaches at SFU and Kwantlen prompted to compare the students of either institution. He hesitantly noted that Kwantlen students generally produce higher quality work, and he believes, that is because the professor to student ratio is so much lower. The students attending evening classes at Kwantlen while working during the day are often among the highest performing students. At the risk of sounding overly defensive, you've got your facts all wrong here dhillion.

[masterroshi]

Go transfer from Kwantlen. Trust me, I've made the mistake of going straight into SFU for computer science when I really wanted to be in business. It'll be pretty hard to transfer to the business faculties at SFU since you have to compete on a curve in the business classes. It'll suck if you get a low GPA and end up not being able to transfer to the business faculty. You'll end up with useless business credits and majoring in a degree that you don't like.
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I actually dont mind going into arts since I can take the required courses fkr the CA designarion and become a CA. I applied for Political Science in arts which I absolutely love and have a great passion for. I ove business as well so I would be fine going into either faculty at SFU.
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[masterroshi]

For*
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[Purely]

Probably won't get into business, but arts for sure. But it shouldn't be too hard to transfer from arts into beedie; first year econ/business courses' averages are pretty low so just make sure you take the general first year courses with the easy profs and your gpa should be high enough to transfer in.

I disagree. 85-87% average is definitely good enough for SFU Beedie (Make sure you spend time writing/editing your supplementals for it).

First year business/econ courses are not that easy, and averages are NOT low. You have a bunch of 1st/2nd year students trying their hardest to transfer into Beedie. Then you have all the other beedie students trying their hardest as well to get high gpa's for Co-op/Scholarship/etc.

Off my head, I only know 1/4 people who successfully transferred from SFU Arts into Beedie. The 3 who didn't get in were actually my friends. That being said, it's not impossible, but not as easy as you make it sound like.

Aside from Kwantlen/Langara/etc, there's also the upgrading highschool marks route (adult school) and re-apply.

[masterroshi]

I disagree. 85-87% average is definitely good enough for SFU Beedie (Make sure you spend time writing/editing your supplementals for it).

First year business/econ courses are not that easy, and averages are NOT low. You have a bunch of 1st/2nd year students trying their hardest to transfer into Beedie. Then you have all the other beedie students trying their hardest as well to get high gpa's for Co-op/Scholarship/etc.

Off my head, I only know 1/4 people who successfully transferred from SFU Arts into Beedie. The 3 who didn't get in were actually my friends. That being said, it's not impossible, but not as easy as you make it sound like.

Aside from Kwantlen/Langara/etc, there's also the upgrading highschool marks route (adult school) and re-apply.
Lets just say I only get into arts and major in economics, do you think there are any goof careers available if I get an arts degree? My goal is to become a CA and the site says that I can have any degree as long as I take the required courses, so if I get an arts degree instead of business, would that decrease my career oppurtunites?
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[masterroshi]

Good* careers....
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[Geoc]

Lets just say I only get into arts and major in economics, do you think there are any goof careers available if I get an arts degree? My goal is to become a CA and the site says that I can have any degree as long as I take the required courses, so if I get an arts degree instead of business, would that decrease my career oppurtunites?
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These kind of questions scares me, it shows that you don't have any idea of what you want to do. And to be fair most people in your position don't either, some don't even figure it out until they graduate.

Don't fall into the trap of 'my goal is to become a 10k a day CEO', because you will be horribly disappointed. Find out what you like to do and what is your passion, then go from there. Your post secondary education doesn't define the career you would end up in.

Money should not be the sole reason for your career, or else you will be miserable for the rest of your life.

[bcrdukes]

Go to a college first. Save SFU for later. As others have said, a university degree does not ensure a fulfilling career. You should look at university from a different perspective - an opportunity for you to broaden your horizons and to shape you into an independent, yet critical thinker. The most useless types out there are those who can't think for themselves. You could be a CA at KPMG pulling in $100K but still the biggest village idiot.

You'll thank us later in 10 years and in 20 years, you'll have enough to thank us fully by buying each of us a Lotus Exige S. I'll be nice and take a 87-89 G50 Porsche 911, okay? :hotbaby:

[GGnoRE]

Lets just say I only get into arts and major in economics, do you think there are any goof careers available if I get an arts degree? My goal is to become a CA and the site says that I can have any degree as long as I take the required courses, so if I get an arts degree instead of business, would that decrease my career oppurtunites?
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Excellent internships and good networking skills are key to a good career post-grad. Since you want to be a CA, I assume you would want to find internships at the Big 4 during your undergrad.

You can major in economics but if you are a mediocre student, chances are, you are not going to find an internship there. You must stand out in terms of academics and leadership/volunteer/work experience. Going into a business program makes finding co-op opportunities a little easier but the converse isn't necessarily true. So going into economics doesn't "decrease" your career opportunities.

[masterroshi]

Go to a college first. Save SFU for later. As others have said, a university degree does not ensure a fulfilling career. You should look at university from a different perspective - an opportunity for you to broaden your horizons and to shape you into an independent, yet critical thinker. The most useless types out there are those who can't think for themselves. You could be a CA at KPMG pulling in $100K but still the biggest village idiot.

You'll thank us later in 10 years and in 20 years, you'll have enough to thank us fully by buying each of us a Lotus Exige S. I'll be nice and take a 87-89 G50 Porsche 911, okay? :hotbaby:
The thing about going to college first is that it would be harder to transfer than just go from highschool. As for broadning my horizons and being indepentant, I totally agree with you. You should take university as an oppurtunity to learn and just gain valubale knowledge and thats exactly what my opinion is on university, a chance to gain intellectually. I feel that if go to larger university there is more to learn and more oppurtunitys for me as a student such as clubs and other stuff around campus.
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[dinosaur]

WELCOME BACK BURNOUTBINLADEN!!!

You have been missed, my friend.

[MindBomber]

The thing about going to college first is that it would be harder to transfer than just go from highschool. As for broadning my horizons and being indepentant, I totally agree with you. You should take university as an oppurtunity to learn and just gain valubale knowledge and thats exactly what my opinion is on university, a chance to gain intellectually. I feel that if go to larger university there is more to learn and more oppurtunitys for me as a student such as clubs and other stuff around campus.
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Hardly a sound argument.

With minimal planning, the effort it takes to transfer to SFU/UBC from Kwantlen/Langara is negligible in the scope of your academic career.

Whether at a 'larger' university or 'smaller' univeristy, 100/1000-200/2000 courses are practically - and often are - identical irregardless of institution. At 300/3000-400/4000 and graduate levels, yes, 'larger' universities have greater diversity. Thus, Langara, Kwantlen, SFU, and UBC have equal learning opportunities at your level.

SFU/UBC have the edge on clubs and on-campus activities over Langara/Kwantlen; UBC in particular. You have a valid point. University is not an isolated an academic bubble, though, and most would gain more venturing out into their community than exploring institutional opportunities, single-minded.

I would suggest you do not dismiss the advice you're being given so readily, as it's a considerable asset. We've all learnt with age, and we're imparting some of that knowledge onto you, whether you choose to accept it is your call.

[bcrdukes]

I take back everything I just said.

[masterroshi]

Hardly a sound argument.

With minimal planning, the effort it takes to transfer to SFU/UBC from Kwantlen/Langara is negligible in the scope of your academic career.

Whether at a 'larger' university or 'smaller' univeristy, 100/1000-200/2000 courses are practically - and often are - identical irregardless of institution. At 300/3000-400/4000 and graduate levels, yes, 'larger' universities have greater diversity. Thus, Langara, Kwantlen, SFU, and UBC have equal learning opportunities at your level.

SFU/UBC have the edge on clubs and on-campus activities over Langara/Kwantlen; UBC in particular. You have a valid point. University is not an isolated an academic bubble, though, and most would gain more venturing out into their community than exploring institutional opportunities, single-minded.

I would suggest you do not dismiss the advice you're being given so readily, as it's a considerable asset. We've all learnt with age, and we're imparting some of that knowledge onto you, whether you choose to accept it is your call.

I am considering the advice im getting, but the problem is that I dont want to risk going to Kwantlen and not being able to transfer. For example my older cousin wanted to go to med school at UBC. He got into UBC from highschool but decided to go to Kwantlen first. He wasnt able transfer and now he has an associates of science and doesnt know what to do. I dont want to get stuck in a similar situation with a degree fron Kwantlen since employers will look down at that. I know its said that the institution from which you recieve your degree doesnt matter, but in reality it does.
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[MindBomber]

You're a little younger, but Kwantlen Polytechnic University was once Kwantlen University College. Likewise, University of the Fraser Valley was once University College of the Fraser Valley. The Ministry of Advanced Education summarily 'upgraded' several of the university colleges to universities because this status affects course structures, and thus inter-institution transfers. In the past, Anatomy and Physiology at UBC would have learning objectives significantly dissimilar from Anatomy and Physiology at Kwantlen. Thus, your cousins Kwantlen A&P would not fulfill the A&P prerequisite for UBC Med. By turning institutions like Kwantlen and UFV into universities the course structures were made much more similar and earned credits became more easily transferable to other universities. Consult closely with the BC Transfer guide when registering for courses and it's unlikely you'll have any issue, at this point. I have friends who experienced some minor difficulties transferring in the university college era, but in the university era none of my friends have had any issue.

[masterroshi]

You're a little younger, but Kwantlen Polytechnic University was once Kwantlen University College. Likewise, University of the Fraser Valley was once University College of the Fraser Valley. The Ministry of Advanced Education summarily 'upgraded' several of the university colleges to universities because this status affects course structures, and thus inter-institution transfers. In the past, Anatomy and Physiology at UBC would have learning objectives significantly dissimilar from Anatomy and Physiology at Kwantlen. Thus, your cousins Kwantlen A&P would not fulfill the A&P prerequisite for UBC Med. By turning institutions like Kwantlen and UFV into universities the course structures were made much more similar and earned credits became more easily transferable to other universities. Consult closely with the BC Transfer guide when registering for courses and it's unlikely you'll have any issue, at this point. I have friends who experienced some minor difficulties transferring in the university college era, but in the university era none of my friends have had any issue.

He was in Kwantlen after it was a university. He just didnt get the grades to transfer. He worked really hard, was always studying yet didnt get in. I dont want to be in the same situation.
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[Gridlock]

I was really hoping you'd actually choose "MitsubishiNintendo". I chose it for you special.

[RevYouUp]

He was in Kwantlen after it was a university. He just didnt get the grades to transfer. He worked really hard, was always studying yet didnt get in. I dont want to be in the same situation.
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If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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[tiger_handheld]

kwantlen business is not marked on a curve.

source- former student.

[zetazeta]

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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Very true in regards to the learning experience of smaller classes. Some of my favourite classes (and also one's I learned the most) were <30 people and really discussion based instead of just 2 hours of a professor presenting.

SADLY... (especially in business), the name of your school has a much bigger impact for employers than how much you learned during your degree. There are the stellar students that excel regardless of which school they graduated from, but for many students, the university you graduate from can possibly limit your opportunities.

For example, in BC, one of the world's top management consulting firms only recruits from UBC. McKinsey, one of the top consulting firm along with BCG and Bain, does not host any recruiting events for other post secondary institutions in BC. (Applying to McKinsey | Canada (http://www.mckinsey.com/locations/Canada/Applying%20to%20McKinsey.aspx)).

They came to SFU 2-3 years ago to "test the waters" and invited the top 10 students in the business program for a dinner (and extended interviews for select students from the dinner). If I recall correctly, every single student had a 4.0+ GPA (out of 4.33) and only 3-4 made it to the interview and none of which passed that 1st round. After that, they said the calibre of students at SFU was not high enough and they would not be back for at least a few years.

This is just one example, but it shows why I would personally pick UBC (and SFU 2nd) over other options. It opens a lot more doors career wise, and their alumni network is much more established across multiple industries compared to other post secondary institutions in BC. Is it possible for you to bust ass and try to boost your average to the 90's and apply for Sauder/Beedie?

You also mentioned wanting to be a CA... let's just say the big 4 recruit almost twice as many students from UBC than SFU. Also, I believe 90%+ of new hires at the big4 are from UBC DAP, UBC and SFU.... and I assume it must be pretty hard to get hired from other post secondary institutions.

[Selanne_200]

Lets just say I only get into arts and major in economics, do you think there are any goof careers available if I get an arts degree? My goal is to become a CA and the site says that I can have any degree as long as I take the required courses, so if I get an arts degree instead of business, would that decrease my career oppurtunites?
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If your goal is to become a CA (Well more technically a CPA now), you might want to make sure you get into business as opposed to arts. I'm not sure for SFU but at UBC, upper level business courses (which are required in your old CASB professional prep) are reserved for COMM students so you would not be able to fulfill your requirements as an Arts student. In addition, upon graduation, most if not all firms would require to have completed your CASB prep and going straight into the professional program IE: CA modules

[Selanne_200]

Very true in regards to the learning experience of smaller classes. Some of my favourite classes (and also one's I learned the most) were <30 people and really discussion based instead of just 2 hours of a professor presenting.

SADLY... (especially in business), the name of your school has a much bigger impact for employers than how much you learned during your degree. There are the stellar students that excel regardless of which school they graduated from, but for many students, the university you graduate from can possibly limit your opportunities.

For example, in BC, one of the world's top management consulting firms only recruits from UBC. McKinsey, one of the top consulting firm along with BCG and Bain, does not host any recruiting events for other post secondary institutions in BC. (Applying to McKinsey | Canada (http://www.mckinsey.com/locations/Canada/Applying%20to%20McKinsey.aspx)).

They came to SFU 2-3 years ago to "test the waters" and invited the top 10 students in the business program for a dinner (and extended interviews for select students from the dinner). If I recall correctly, every single student had a 4.0+ GPA (out of 4.33) and only 3-4 made it to the interview and none of which passed that 1st round. After that, they said the calibre of students at SFU was not high enough and they would not be back for at least a few years.

This is just one example, but it shows why I would personally pick UBC (and SFU 2nd) over other options. It opens a lot more doors career wise, and their alumni network is much more established across multiple industries compared to other post secondary institutions in BC. Is it possible for you to bust ass and try to boost your average to the 90's and apply for Sauder/Beedie?

You also mentioned wanting to be a CA... let's just say the big 4 recruit almost twice as many students from UBC than SFU. Also, I believe 90%+ of new hires at the big4 are from UBC DAP, UBC and SFU.... and I assume it must be pretty hard to get hired from other post secondary institutions.

While the numbers you gave are true to a large extend in terms of recruiting, I believe the biggest factor isn't the name of the school. During recruiting season, firms receive a HUGE amount of applications and only way for you to stand out and receive an invitation for interview is through networking. Now why is it that UBC and SFU grads make up for the largest portion of hire? That's because there are more resources for business students at these school to connect with firm reps. For example, during a accounting firm industry event, UBC and SFU students get their own time slot but every other schools are all cramped into one time slot named "All other school"
So, if you're in a smaller school, start early to connect with firm reps and make yourself known to them, don't limit yourself to events hosted at your school only but regularly check different firm's websites

[masterroshi]

If your goal is to become a CA (Well more technically a CPA now), you might want to make sure you get into business as opposed to arts. I'm not sure for SFU but at UBC, upper level business courses (which are required in your old CASB professional prep) are reserved for COMM students so you would not be able to fulfill your requirements as an Arts student. In addition, upon graduation, most if not all firms would require to have completed your CASB prep and going straight into the professional program IE: CA modules

I just posted a thread about the same thing, although that was pointless since I did some research and found out that the CPA insitute in BC just started offering a CPA PREP coursr that offers the pre-requisite courses for students who didnt get a business degree and didnt major in accounting.
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[masterroshi]

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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What do you think would be an optimal CGPA for business?
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[kunoman1]

As high as you can get it honestly, strive for excellence yo :fullofwin:

-SFU Business

[anabolichalo23]

i go to sfu :)

[zetazeta]

While the numbers you gave are true to a large extend in terms of recruiting, I believe the biggest factor isn't the name of the school. During recruiting season, firms receive a HUGE amount of applications and only way for you to stand out and receive an invitation for interview is through networking. Now why is it that UBC and SFU grads make up for the largest portion of hire? That's because there are more resources for business students at these school to connect with firm reps. For example, during a accounting firm industry event, UBC and SFU students get their own time slot but every other schools are all cramped into one time slot named "All other school"
So, if you're in a smaller school, start early to connect with firm reps and make yourself known to them, don't limit yourself to events hosted at your school only but regularly check different firm's websites

Definitely agree on the part about networking early and start building that connection. Regardless of which school you attend, building a good connection from the get-go is recommended!

Essentially, UBC and SFU are the target schools that the big4 recruit from and your chances are diminished if you come from another institution. There are events that are open to all students in BC (such as summer office tours iirc), but there are also many exclusive events hosted just for UBC/UBC DAP/SFU. Without access to these events, it is much harder to meet reps and establish a good connection. I've heard that twitter has been recommended as a great means of connecting to the firm's campus recruiters.

In summary, UBC and to a less extent, SFU, offer much more opportunities (both networking and job postings) than other post secondary alternatives which can lead to more career options or higher chances in getting into certain industries/companies.

Edit: check out Reddit/r/Accounting (http://www.reddit.com/r/accounting) There are great guides and people who work in big4 to help you out, whether it be questions, advice or resume critiquing.

[Selanne_200]

I just posted a thread about the same thing, although that was pointless since I did some research and found out that the CPA insitute in BC just started offering a CPA PREP coursr that offers the pre-requisite courses for students who didnt get a business degree and didnt major in accounting.
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They've always had it and CASB did as well, but if you're certain that the CPA route is for you and you're already in university, why pay again when you finish your degree and then the CPA PREP? And remember, most if not all firms would expect you to finish all the requirements for CPA PREP before they would hire you so that's why hirings are always for BBA,BCOM, DAP students and not BA typically.

[Selanne_200]

What do you think would be an optimal CGPA for business?
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For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.

[RevYouUp]

I don't really care for the big 4, so I'm fine with staying at kwantlen for now. Maybe I'll change my mind later :)
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[masterroshi]

For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.
How much higher?
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[Selanne_200]

There is no definite number, and I believe SFU isn't as strict on this, but extra circulars also plays a big part. From what I've heard though, you would probably want your core GPA to be around 3.7 to be highly competitive

[SpeedStars]

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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Very true statement. Friend is in SFU for the prestige that follows it...barely even passing :fullofwin:. Also, BCIT is great if you want to get into business. However, I've heard the workload is insane
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[masterroshi]

There is no definite number, and I believe SFU isn't as strict on this, but extra circulars also plays a big part. From what I've heard though, you would probably want your core GPA to be around 3.7 to be highly competitive

What do you suggest to do as extra curri ulars?
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[masterroshi]

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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How is Kwamtlen? Is the work load ok or insane? Complex material? Is it possible to achieve a 3.7 GPA with decent effort?
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[masterroshi]

What do you suggest to do as extra curri ulars?
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Extra curricualars*
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[masterroshi]

You're a little younger, but Kwantlen Polytechnic University was once Kwantlen University College. Likewise, University of the Fraser Valley was once University College of the Fraser Valley. The Ministry of Advanced Education summarily 'upgraded' several of the university colleges to universities because this status affects course structures, and thus inter-institution transfers. In the past, Anatomy and Physiology at UBC would have learning objectives significantly dissimilar from Anatomy and Physiology at Kwantlen. Thus, your cousins Kwantlen A&P would not fulfill the A&P prerequisite for UBC Med. By turning institutions like Kwantlen and UFV into universities the course structures were made much more similar and earned credits became more easily transferable to other universities. Consult closely with the BC Transfer guide when registering for courses and it's unlikely you'll have any issue, at this point. I have friends who experienced some minor difficulties transferring in the university college era, but in the university era none of my friends have had any issue.

What programs did they transfer to?
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[Purely]

For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.

3.4 is way too high... I believe its slightly above 3.0
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[Purely]

For sfu arts to beedie
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[Selanne_200]

I'm not too sure about Beedie but sauder for sure 3.0 is way too low
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[MindBomber]

What programs did they transfer to?
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Kwantlen History to SFU History.
Kwanten Poli Sci to UBC Poli Sci (eventually accepted to UBC Law).
Kwantlen Psyc to SFU Psyc.
Kwantlen BBA to SFU BBA.
Kwantlen Psyc to SFU BBA.

[Purely]

I'm not too sure about Beedie but sauder for sure 3.0 is way too low
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Yeah, I expect it to be a bit higher for Sauder too. I heard econ @ UBC is harder to get into vs Sauder though.

To OP, are you still in grade 12?

[bcrdukes]

I'm not too sure about Beedie but sauder for sure 3.0 is way too low
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It typically floats at around 3.2 - 3.4 for Sauder and that's usually the bare minimum.

[RevYouUp]

How is Kwamtlen? Is the work load ok or insane? Complex material? Is it possible to achieve a 3.7 GPA with decent effort?
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Work load is like any other University/College.. You have to put in work for any class you take. I'm pretty sure you will be able to achieve a 3.7 GPA by putting in some effort. I'm barely trying right now and my GPA is around there. I think I absorb material better in smaller classes. I don't do much studying outside of class and my grades have been pretty decent lol. 80%-85% is already an A- at Kwantlen. That's a 3.67 GPA. That's the upside of going to Kwantlen or any other college first before going to SFU/UBC. Almost none of the courses are curved so you don't get screwed over by your classmates. For example, if you were to be marked on a curve at SFU/UBC and everyone got 80% in the class, you would most likely end up with a C+/B-.

[Gerbs]

Extra curricualars*
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volunteer and work experiences. Even positions like student councils good i guess. :badpokerface:

not sure whats more important or considered better

[masterroshi]

Yeah, I expect it to be a bit higher for Sauder too. I heard econ @ UBC is harder to get into vs Sauder though.

To OP, are you still in grade 12?

Yea, im still in grade 12.
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[Purely]

Yea, im still in grade 12.
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It's only October, study hard now and get in directly.

[masterroshi]

It's only October, study hard now and get in directly.

Im just estimating where my marks will finish. If its not enough, then I have to transfer, so im just figuring out all the details of transferring and going in directly.
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[Selanne_200]

Op, if you're still in highschool and you're sure accounting is the route you want to take then good for you, but sometimes by taking other courses may persuade you otherwise. As far as direct entry is concerned, don't focus solely on academics for sure since extra circulars are equally as important, even if not for admission purposes but for employability.

[GrapeDrink]

3.4 is way too high... I believe its slightly above 3.0
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it depends where you transfer from, I transferred into SFU Business from Langara College and my core business GPA was 3.5 at Langara but they deduct .3 from Colleges so my SFU GPA ended up being 3.20 and their acceptance was 3.17 so I barely made the cut. The min SFU GPA seems to fluctuate from 3.07 to 3.2 from what I've seen.

[haha13]

I transferred from science to business with 3.20 GPA and the cutoff was 3.12
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[masterroshi]

it depends where you transfer from, I transferred into SFU Business from Langara College and my core business GPA was 3.5 at Langara but they deduct .3 from Colleges so my SFU GPA ended up being 3.20 and their acceptance was 3.17 so I barely made the cut. The min SFU GPA seems to fluctuate from 3.07 to 3.2 from what I've seen.

How difficult was it to acheive that gpa?
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[masterroshi]

kwantlen business is not marked on a curve.

source- former student.

How does the curve thing work?
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[Geoc]

How difficult was it to acheive that gpa?
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Level of difficulty isn't high, but you need to invest time into it (ie. don't think you can coast through to a B+ or an A). If you put in the proper effort, you should get a high mark.

[masterroshi]

Level of difficulty isn't high, but you need to invest time into it (ie. don't think you can coast through to a B+ or an A). If you put in the proper effort, you should get a high mark.

I mean how complex is the business material? I know its university and its obvioualy gonna be more difficult than highschool, but is the diffculty like a physics course or is it easier to understand? Im asking this question because I need to know how much time ill be putting into the work and if ill need to stop doing some actvities to gain more time if needed (like procastinating lol)
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[Gerbs]

whats your extra curricular like

[masterroshi]

i

[masterroshi]

I was also thinking about creating a club but im doubting how much that will help for admission since im already in grade 12 and it wont have been a long term thing.
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[SpeedStars]

If you create a club, SFU/UBC takes into account that you have spent w/e time for that club especially considering YOU created it. It also reaffirms your leadership capabilities which are vital for business. Don't over stress the extra curics though. Seems like you have more than enough if you get an 84-87 avg for admittance to SFU (UBC, I would guestimate at roughly 87-90)

[masterroshi]

If you create a club, SFU/UBC takes into account that you have spent w/e time for that club especially considering YOU created it. It also reaffirms your leadership capabilities which are vital for business. Don't over stress the extra curics though. Seems like you have more than enough if you get an 84-87 avg for admittance to SFU (UBC, I would guestimate at roughly 87-90)

Ill consider making a club again, and Im gonna make it about internatinal freedom, something Im really passionatr about, so running the club will actually be fun :)
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[masterroshi]

If you create a club, SFU/UBC takes into account that you have spent w/e time for that club especially considering YOU created it. It also reaffirms your leadership capabilities which are vital for business. Don't over stress the extra curics though. Seems like you have more than enough if you get an 84-87 avg for admittance to SFU (UBC, I would guestimate at roughly 87-90)

Do they take extra curriculars into account if I transfer from Kwantlen which is my back up plan.
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[Geoc]

I mean how complex is the business material? I know its university and its obvioualy gonna be more difficult than highschool, but is the diffculty like a physics course or is it easier to understand? Im asking this question because I need to know how much time ill be putting into the work and if ill need to stop doing some actvities to gain more time if needed (like procastinating lol)
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Concepts aren't abstract and very straight forward, but there is a lot of information. Get ready to cram cram cram.

[trix4kids]

Just graduated from hs this june and here are a few tips on getting into uni
1. Having ECs doesnt mean shit if they dont sound good. I know people who got into sauder barely any ECs cause they can bs well.
2. your average is ur foundation. Take geo 12 online with vln if u want a gpa booster. You can get 95+ putting a little bit of work in. HS is the tail of your grade grubbing career so finish strong in ass kissing to get that extra 1-2%
3. Do your research about the programs e.g typical exit opps for grads. And if you can consider out of province unis esp for business, sauder is great in BC but theres way more options in the east coast
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[masterroshi]

Just graduated from hs this june and here are a few tips on getting into uni
1. Having ECs doesnt mean shit if they dont sound good. I know people who got into sauder barely any ECs cause they can bs well.
2. your average is ur foundation. Take geo 12 online with vln if u want a gpa booster. You can get 95+ putting a little bit of work in. HS is the tail of your grade grubbing career so finish strong in ass kissing to get that extra 1-2%
3. Do your research about the programs e.g typical exit opps for grads. And if you can consider out of province unis esp for business, sauder is great in BC but theres way more options in the east coast
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If I cant get into SFU, I stand no chance against the competition for the Ontario universites.
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[masterroshi]

Also, some people have been telling me that if I do the BBA in accounting at SFU, I need to keep my GPA above 3.00 or I will get kicked out, is that true??
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[haha13]

Also, some people have been telling me that if I do the BBA in accounting at SFU, I need to keep my GPA above 3.00 or I will get kicked out, is that true??
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They used to only have an accounting honours program at SFU where you need to maintain a 3.0 GPA to stay in the program but they recently changed it to a regular accounting program so you do not need to have 3.0 GPA. However if you are pursuing to get into the big4, you better have a high GPA.

You can find more information here: http://beedie.sfu.ca/bbaportal/2013/03/revised-accounting-concentration-fall-2013/

[masterroshi]

They used to only have an accounting honours program at SFU where you need to maintain a 3.0 GPA to stay in the program but they recently changed it to a regular accounting program so you do not need to have 3.0 GPA. However if you are pursuing to get into the big4, you better have a high GPA.

You can find more information here: Revised Accounting Concentration | Fall 2013 | BBA News Portal (http://beedie.sfu.ca/bbaportal/2013/03/revised-accounting-concentration-fall-2013/)
If I am trying to get into the big4, would I need to do the accounting honours or can I do the regular one?
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[masterroshi]

Concepts aren't abstract and very straight forward, but there is a lot of information. Get ready to cram cram cram.

Thats good, cramming is what im good at :) I dont mind abstract concepts, howver their a lot harder for me to understand. But if the materials straight forward like you said, then I should br fine.
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[zetazeta]

If I am trying to get into the big4, would I need to do the accounting honours or can I do the regular one?
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Regular one is fine as long as you have a decent gpa (3.3+) and good networking. Networking makes up the majority of your chances and experience, gpa are secondary.

[zetazeta]

I mean how complex is the business material? I know its university and its obvioualy gonna be more difficult than highschool, but is the diffculty like a physics course or is it easier to understand? Im asking this question because I need to know how much time ill be putting into the work and if ill need to stop doing some actvities to gain more time if needed (like procastinating lol)
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courses are much harder than high school, requiring you to memorize, understand, and apply the knowledge. For exam questions, they aren't going to be same as homework questions with a small change in numbers.. it's going to be based off homework questions and most likely goes a step further to separate those that kind of understand, and those that completely understand. You will have to put in time to study, ask questions (office hours/friends) and practice to achieve good marks for lower division curved (business) classes.

[masterroshi]

courses are much harder than high school, requiring you to memorize, understand, and apply the knowledge. For exam questions, they aren't going to be same as homework questions with a small change in numbers.. it's going to be based off homework questions and most likely goes a step further to separate those that kind of understand, and those that completely understand. You will have to put in time to study, ask questions (office hours/friends) and practice to achieve good marks for lower division curved (business) classes.

I already put in about 4-5 hours on highschool work. Im also prepared to add to that in university. Someone previously wrote that the business courses arnt curved at kwantlen. Im not sure whose correct...
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[J.C]

courses are much harder than high school, requiring you to memorize, understand, and apply the knowledge. For exam questions, they aren't going to be same as homework questions with a small change in numbers.. it's going to be based off homework questions and most likely goes a step further to separate those that kind of understand, and those that completely understand. You will have to put in time to study, ask questions (office hours/friends) and practice to achieve good marks for lower division curved (business) classes.

+1
got fucked hard on my first couple exams because i thought they were going to be basic questions from the homework assignments

[masterroshi]

+1
got fucked hard on my first couple exams because i thought they were going to be basic questions from the homework assignments

How much time did you put into studying? Also, if the tests dont include stuff from the homework, then how would you understand the stuff on the test?? Now im getting scared :/
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[Purely]

^+1 for zetazeta.

By the way, I remember zetazeta writing something about SFU's business curve vs UBC's (in terms of grading differences) but I can't seem to find it.. would be great if he could chime in again. Something along the lines of.. unfair SFU grading/more difficult.

To masterroshi, not trying to scare you or anything.. but the jump from HS to ANY post-secondary is huge. HS doesn't prepare you for university imo (at least it didn't prepare me). I had an extremely low GPA for my first term. To reinforce what zetazeta/j.c said, you really need to understand the material to do well in some courses (e.g., econ/accounting let's say). Even in "pure" memorization courses.. you need to be able to apply the correct terms.

It's nearing the end of October, and you still have tons of time to bring your grades up. Take a look at Trix's advice (grades, learning how to make your EC's sound good).

[masterroshi]

^+1 for zetazeta.

By the way, I remember zetazeta writing something about SFU's business curve vs UBC's (in terms of grading differences) but I can't seem to find it.. would be great if he could chime in again. Something along the lines of.. unfair SFU grading/more difficult.

To masterroshi, not trying to scare you or anything.. but the jump from HS to ANY post-secondary is huge. HS doesn't prepare you for university imo (at least it didn't prepare me). I had an extremely low GPA for my first term. To reinforce what zetazeta/j.c said, you really need to understand the material to do well in some courses (e.g., econ/accounting let's say). Even in "pure" memorization courses.. you need to be able to apply the correct terms.

It's nearing the end of October, and you still have tons of time to bring your grades up. Take a look at Trix's advice (grades, learning how to make your EC's sound good).

Yea, I do have a lot of time, i took law 12 in summer school and got 89%, and Im gonna take it again online and aim for 92%+ since I already know the material.
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[J.C]

10+ hours studying...got 11/35 (curved so a 10.5 was a pass)
same with my other course
spent equal amount of time studying, but didn't know jackshit on the exam

it's not how long you study but how and what you study is what i learned
i should've spent more time actually practicing and applying what i was reading rather than just trying to memorize everything
the exams aren't basic homework questions like zetazeta said, they take everything they've taught you and ask you questions that require critical analysis and application that easily reveal if you actually fully understand the material or not

went thru the first 6 weeks of lectures thinking uni was easy...until the exams hit lol

[Purely]

^ what course you taking lol

[J.C]

econ 103 and 105 were the exams that i got buttfucked

[zetazeta]

I already put in about 4-5 hours on highschool work. Im also prepared to add to that in university. Someone previously wrote that the business courses arnt curved at kwantlen. Im not sure whose correct...
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Shit mybad, don't know how the grading works for Kwantlen, was referring to SFU. If you already put in 4-5 hrs in HS per week, I think you will need to triple that for University. For reference, my friend and I put in 1 hr / week in HS and average about 3 hrs in university.

^+1 for zetazeta.

By the way, I remember zetazeta writing something about SFU's business curve vs UBC's (in terms of grading differences) but I can't seem to find it.. would be great if he could chime in again. Something along the lines of.. unfair SFU grading/more difficult.

To masterroshi, not trying to scare you or anything.. but the jump from HS to ANY post-secondary is huge. HS doesn't prepare you for university imo (at least it didn't prepare me). I had an extremely low GPA for my first term. To reinforce what zetazeta/j.c said, you really need to understand the material to do well in some courses (e.g., econ/accounting let's say). Even in "pure" memorization courses.. you need to be able to apply the correct terms
I don't remember what I wrote, but feel free to ask/pm me anything SFU Business related (curve, grading, TA, co-op, courses, electives.....) I was somewhat involved at SFU (TA'd both upper division and lower division courses, co-op, club involvement, etc.....) so I have a bit of knowledge about Beedie.

Similar to g.yu (i think you were in my 254 class?....) I had a low GPA in my first 6 semesters at SFU and it wasn't until my late 3rd/4th year that I started to pick it up... and by then it was too late unfortunately. Make good friends at university, I had friends who were in the high 2.x - low 3.x gpa region so I thought achieving a 3.0 was good. It is not. The biggest difference between my upper division GPA and lower division was not just the curve difference (upper division curves up to 50% A's for select courses), but it was the understanding of how to study and prepare for courses/projects/presentations/assignments. Once you get the hang of things, it makes studying a breeze (you still have to put in a lot of effort but it was achievable).

In high school, I used to read the material once or twice, do a few practice questions and I would get decent marks (80%+). It doesn't work that way in university, you have to make sure you understand each practice and lecture question inside out. What I mean is if they give you variables X, Y, Z and ask you to solve for A, you better make sure you can solve for X, Y or Z if they swap the given variables around. Questions for exams will not be in the same format as your practice. They will give you different variables and solve for something else. If you just memorize how to do a certain type of question, you won't succeed. You need to know how to solve for every possible variable or even combination(s) of variables during your test. An example from one of my courses, students would often solve for a particular cost per unit based on given information and present their answers in a $#.## / unit for homework and lecture examples. On the exam, there was a twist to it, in the sense that the cost per unit was given as variable "Y" and students were asked to solve the rest of the numbers expressed in variable "Y". Most students knew how to solve the practice questions but once they were asked to solve the question backwards and with a non-number variable instead of given #'s, they could not do it...

Curve for lower division courses sucks at SFU. There was an article which said that SFU was the hardest university to get an A among the west coast. Since you're from Kwantlen, you might want to take a look at how transfers to SFU works because several years back, they used to deduct 0.3 GPA from all transfers (so if you have a 3.3 GPA at Kwantlen, they will evaluate you at 3.0). I have a friend who had a 3.9 at Kwantlen business and is struggling to pass courses at Sauder.

[Cr33pUh]

econ 103 and 105 were the exams that i got buttfucked

Science student here who sucks at making graphs that took econ 105 for shitz and giggles.

never again.

[xXSupa]

The first 3 midterms I took in first year. Class averages were 59%, 48%, and 47%. That's when I realized this is not high school anymore. lol. Even though I got above average on all 3, those averages were scary..

[masterroshi]

Shit mybad, don't know how the grading works for Kwantlen, was referring to SFU. If you already put in 4-5 hrs in HS per week, I think you will need to triple that for University. For reference, my friend and I put in 1 hr / week in HS and average about 3 hrs in university.


I don't remember what I wrote, but feel free to ask/pm me anything SFU Business related (curve, grading, TA, co-op, courses, electives.....) I was somewhat involved at SFU (TA'd both upper division and lower division courses, co-op, club involvement, etc.....) so I have a bit of knowledge about Beedie.

Similar to g.yu (i think you were in my 254 class?....) I had a low GPA in my first 6 semesters at SFU and it wasn't until my late 3rd/4th year that I started to pick it up... and by then it was too late unfortunately. Make good friends at university, I had friends who were in the high 2.x - low 3.x gpa region so I thought achieving a 3.0 was good. It is not. The biggest difference between my upper division GPA and lower division was not just the curve difference (upper division curves up to 50% A's for select courses), but it was the understanding of how to study and prepare for courses/projects/presentations/assignments. Once you get the hang of things, it makes studying a breeze (you still have to put in a lot of effort but it was achievable).

In high school, I used to read the material once or twice, do a few practice questions and I would get decent marks (80%+). It doesn't work that way in university, you have to make sure you understand each practice and lecture question inside out. What I mean is if they give you variables X, Y, Z and ask you to solve for A, you better make sure you can solve for X, Y or Z if they swap the given variables around. Questions for exams will not be in the same format as your practice. They will give you different variables and solve for something else. If you just memorize how to do a certain type of question, you won't succeed. You need to know how to solve for every possible variable or even combination(s) of variables during your test. An example from one of my courses, students would often solve for a particular cost per unit based on given information and present their answers in a $#.## / unit for homework and lecture examples. On the exam, there was a twist to it, in the sense that the cost per unit was given as variable "Y" and students were asked to solve the rest of the numbers expressed in variable "Y". Most students knew how to solve the practice questions but once they were asked to solve the question backwards and with a non-number variable instead of given #'s, they could not do it...

Curve for lower division courses sucks at SFU. There was an article which said that SFU was the hardest university to get an A among the west coast. Since you're from Kwantlen, you might want to take a look at how transfers to SFU works because several years back, they used to deduct 0.3 GPA from all transfers (so if you have a 3.3 GPA at Kwantlen, they will evaluate you at 3.0). I have a friend who had a 3.9 at Kwantlen business and is struggling to pass courses at Sauder.

How would you make sure you understand if you dont know what kidn of questions will be on the test? Do you have to be able to apply the stuff leanrt from the material? Is that what you mean?
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[Geoc]

Asking this many question is not really going to prepare you for whats to come. Best way is to apply to get into the school you want, take non-core course for first term and get manhandled. After that, you'll have a general idea of what to expect for core courses.

Some courses's difficulty cannot be explained.

[zetazeta]

How would you make sure you understand if you dont know what kidn of questions will be on the test? Do you have to be able to apply the stuff leanrt from the material? Is that what you mean?
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Well, there's no point telling you 1-2 years before you take these courses. Shoot me a PM then...

[Purely]

econ 103 and 105 were the exams that i got buttfucked

To this day.. Econ 103 still haunts me LOL. If you're in D.Allen.. good luck for his final. Good class though, I can still apply some of the concepts I learned to real life.

[masterroshi]

Asking this many question is not really going to prepare you for whats to come. Best way is to apply to get into the school you want, take non-core course for first term and get manhandled. After that, you'll have a general idea of what to expect for core courses.

Some courses's difficulty cannot be explained.

Asking questions will at least show me what i will be facing in Kwantlen so I can be prepared mentally for it. (As in just preparing my self for the "shock")
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[dinosaur]

Asking this many question is not really going to prepare you for whats to come. Best way is to apply to get into the school you want, take non-core course for first term and get manhandled. After that, you'll have a general idea of what to expect for core courses.

Some courses's difficulty cannot be explained.

he is a troll....his "thing" is to ask a billion redundant questions...

[masterroshi]

he is a troll....his "thing" is to ask a billion redundant questions...

Actually, im just asking questions that I know will benefit me in the future :)
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[dinosaur]

sure you are ;)

[J.C]

gotta experience it for yourself

[masterroshi]

sure you are ;)

I sure am ;)
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[zetazeta]

Btw, since you're still in high school, I would say try your best to get high marks.... I think many people would agree that getting a decent (not even high) mark in university is much harder than getting 90%+ in HS. I would say it is easier to get accepted to ubc/sfu directly from HS than it is to transfer.

[masterroshi]

Btw, since you're still in high school, I would say try your best to get high marks.... I think many people would agree that getting a decent (not even high) mark in university is much harder than getting 90%+ in HS. I would say it is easier to get accepted to ubc/sfu directly from HS than it is to transfer.

What would you say is the optimal admissions average for beedie?
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[zetazeta]

No idea dude, check last year's info. I would assume 94%+ is rather safe. A bit of volunteering here and there isn't hard to get.

[masterroshi]

No idea dude, check last year's info. I would assume 94%+ is rather safe. A bit of volunteering here and there isn't hard to get.

This springs minimum is 83%. I can probably get 86% plus decent EC's.
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[slingblade]

A high school senior planning out a life as an accountant? F'reals???

[zetazeta]

This springs minimum is 83%. I can probably get 86% plus decent EC's.
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iirc, minimum means nothing. I remember in 07/08 UBC's minimum was 84 for Sauder but almost everyone I knew who got accepted were 92+ or had lots of extra curriculars and <90

[Purely]

Stop worrying and just study!

[masterroshi]

iirc, minimum means nothing. I remember in 07/08 UBC's minimum was 84 for Sauder but almost everyone I knew who got accepted were 92+ or had lots of extra curriculars and <90

Would my extra curriculars help if I get an average <90?? (I listed my EC's in one of my other posts on this topic.
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[masterroshi]

Ive got about 60 volunteer hours 500 work hours, ive been in taekwondo for 2.5 years, participated in 3 provincial level tournaments, joined the redcross club at my school for which I particiapted in a couple of fundraisers. I will be attending a two day leadership confrence coming up next weekend.
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To zetazeta: Here are my EC's to help you amswer my questions above ^
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[masterroshi]

To zetazeta: Here are my EC's to help you amswer my questions above ^
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I actually wont be doing the conference anymore.
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[Selanne_200]

Op, seriously, you're still in HS, so stop worrying about everything in post-secondary right now. just focus on doing well in HS and leave your options open, whether you attend kwantlen or sfu, or whether you want to do account or other discipline.

[Nlkko]

Guys we have a fucking keener here. Only in hs but already map out his big 4 future. You know the same shits as how every fucking kid wants to be an investment banker. I hope you keep your dreams up and dont let the big dick of truth slap you in the face. 60 volunteer hours and 500 work hours. Lol... nobody gives a shit.

My advice for you, Einstein: keep study hard, get involved and keep your mouth shut. You can forget about your big 4 if you cant even muster 90% in high school.
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[zetazeta]

Guys we have a fucking keener here. Only in hs but already map out his big 4 future. You know the same shits as how every fucking kid wants to be an investment banker. I hope you keep your dreams up and dont let the big dick of truth slap you in the face. 60 volunteer hours and 500 work hours. Lol... nobody gives a shit.

My advice for you, Einstein: keep study hard, get involved and keep your mouth shut. You can forget about your big 4 if you cant even muster 90% in high school.
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Actually, if I wasn't as stupid in high school and actually spent time figuring out what career path I wanted, I would have done much better in university. Given that, Nikko has a point in that if you can't even get 90% in HS (more likely 95%), it will be hard to meet the minimum GPA threshold for the big4.

Try to get some community involvement as well. Every other kid has some martial arts thing going on. You want to stand out as a candidate. Start a club, join student council, volunteer for big name events or NPO's. To give you an idea... my friend's brother
(gr 11) volunteered throughout the summer with the Vancouver Board of Trade and attended a few conferences they hosted.

[masterroshi]

Actually, if I wasn't as stupid in high school and actually spent time figuring out what career path I wanted, I would have done much better in university. Given that, Nikko has a point in that if you can't even get 90% in HS (more likely 95%), it will be hard to meet the minimum GPA threshold for the big4.

Try to get some community involvement as well. Every other kid has some martial arts thing going on. You want to stand out as a candidate. Start a club, join student council, volunteer for big name events or NPO's. To give you an idea... my friend's brother
(gr 11) volunteered throughout the summer with the Vancouver Board of Trade and attended a few conferences they hosted.

Would having started a still small (but growing) non-profit type thing help? Basically I have a page on fb where Im trying to support international freedom and im gonna expand that into a club in school. Would that be helpful?
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[Nlkko]

Anything short of sitting on your ass doing nothing is helpful.
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[masterroshi]

Anything short of sitting on your ass doing nothing is helpful.
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So basically I shouldnt do what you do....btw, you're and asshole...
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[Nlkko]

:lawl:

[zetazeta]

Would having started a still small (but growing) non-profit type thing help? Basically I have a page on fb where Im trying to support international freedom and im gonna expand that into a club in school. Would that be helpful?
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No idea. It boils down to how you present yourself and whether they find it legitimate. I've been out of HS for quite some time now, but I'm sure many of your peers are involved in some kind of student club. You really have to be outstanding if your marks are only mediocre!

[masterroshi]

No idea. It boils down to how you present yourself and whether they find it legitimate. I've been out of HS for quite some time now, but I'm sure many of your peers are involved in some kind of student club. You really have to be outstanding if your marks are only mediocre!

Well I underestimated myself in Social Justice. Im actually getting 95% and im taking Geography 12 online now and im getting 96% and then 85% math and 78% is what ill probably get in English. Good chance of getting into Beedie?
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[Atsui]

international freedom ? lol lets get real

come join unicef.

[Geoc]

Would having started a still small (but growing) non-profit type thing help? Basically I have a page on fb where Im trying to support international freedom and im gonna expand that into a club in school. Would that be helpful?
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What is international freedom?

[OGCStrike]

u should be fine. I got in with an 86 avg.
I was part of the school bdmt team for 4 years and I coached for 2years.
Joined a few clubs like key club, red cross and some other club.
My essays was just basically talking about the hardships I overcame playing bdmt.
(going thru injuries, losing in the finals , etc )
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[masterroshi]

What is international freedom?
Freedom for those suffering due to corrupt goverments etc. The fb page is basically to raise awareness and some fundraisers for thinks like what happened in Damascus in Syria
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[masterroshi]

u should be fine. I got in with an 86 avg.
I was part of the school bdmt team for 4 years and I coached for 2years.
Joined a few clubs like key club, red cross and some other club.
My essays was just basically talking about the hardships I overcame playing bdmt.
(going thru injuries, losing in the finals , etc )
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What year did you get in?
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[OGCStrike]

What year did you get in?
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2013:nyan:

[yray]

Freedom for those suffering due to corrupt goverments etc. The fb page is basically to raise awareness and some fundraisers for thinks like what happened in Damascus in Syria
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y u gotta mess with other governments man

got more important issues in your own backyard, senator duffy and the pmo, rob ford, ubc rape chants, NB fracking, mayor moonbeam, clais, fob integration college at SFU

:troll:

take global political econ with ayers and prepare to have an anal proplase in your mind on how fucked up this world is and maybe it's meant to be that way

[kunoman1]

Got into Beedie in 2012, if you convert IB points to percentage points, apparently I roughly entered with 75%. I had hella extracurriculars, some volunteering/lots of work experience and a good essay (IMO). Theres still hope for ya

Oh and I also got admitted to SFU fine arts :fullofwin:

[vyrospec]

Fixed

y u gotta mess with other governments man

got more important issues in your own backyard, senator duffy and the pmo, rob ford, ubc rape chants, NB fracking, mayor moonbeam, clais, fob infiltration college at SFU

:troll:

take global political econ with ayers and prepare to have an anal proplase in your mind on how fucked up this world is and maybe it's meant to be that way