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carmaniac
10-21-2013, 10:09 AM
Canadian recognition of EU safety standards, more exports from Canada to Europe part of CETA
That French car you’ve wanted for so very long may be a possibility once a detailed free trade agreement between Canada and Europe is ratified in about two years time.

The agreement, announced in principle in Brussels today by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, has a number of positive changes for the automotive sector from both industrial and enthusiast standpoints.

While the details of the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) are sealed as lawyers still need to go over the language, both parties have revealed some interesting details of the agreement.

What Canada Gets From Europe

All free trade agreements are a give-and-take affair. Due to Canada’s high ratio of exports (85-percent of passenger vehicles built in Canada are exported to other markets), it should be no surprise most of the benefits Canada will see have to do with opening up the European market to Canada-built vehicles and automotive parts.

From Government of Canada:

The automotive sector is a key driver of Canada’s economy and employs more than 115,000 highly skilled Canadians across the country. The Canadian auto industry is highly dependent on trade, with around 85 per cent of auto production exported every year. CETA provides historic new market access opportunities for the automotive sector and will allow significant increases of exports to Europe. The removal of tariffs along with flexible rules of origin will benefit vehicle and auto parts producers alike.

For passenger vehicles, the EU’s 10 per cent tariff will be eliminated, providing Canada’s auto makers with a competitive advantage in the EU market that few other countries have.

CETA will also benefit Canada’s lucrative auto parts sector, not only because the sector will be incorporated into the Agreement, but also because CETA will eliminate EU tariffs on auto parts, which run up to 4.5 per cent. This means that Canadian auto parts producers will have an important advantage over competitors in other countries.

In addition, CETA includes rules of origin which reflect Canada’s place within the integrated North American automotive industry. These provisions are designed to work with Canada’s existing supply chains and allow for up to 100,000 passenger vehicles to be exported to Europe, a twelve-and-a-half fold increase from our current average exports. At the same time, CETA encourages “made in Canada” production by granting unlimited preferential treatment to vehicles with higher Canadian content that are exported to Europe.

Finally, CETA includes forward looking provisions that allow for the adjustment of the rules of origin to provide additional flexibility in the event that the EU strikes free trade deals with other countries, such as the United States. Taken together, the CETA rules of origin give Canadian producers the opportunity to export to the EU market on a preferential basis now and in the years to come.

What Europe Gets From Canada

There is one major concession Canada has given the European Union and it could make things very interesting for car enthusiasts.

From European Commission:

Automotive sector – Canada will recognise a list of EU car standards and will examine the recognition of further standards. This will make it much easier to export cars to Canada.

And What Does This Mean For Us Car People

While 100,000 units does not seem like a massive number (Nissan produces around 500,000 vehicles per year in Tennessee), it is still significantly more than the 8,000 units the Canadian government currently says they are allowed to export.

The biggest change will be in tariffs. Manufacturers from Europe will (hopefully) be able to sell their vehicles for less in Canada, allowing more customers to purchase European produced vehicles. The same will be true for vehicles built in Canada for export (the Ford Edge is expected to be sold globally soon, built in Ontario).

However, the recognition of car standards will be the big money saver for European manufacturers and opens the door for vehicles like the Volkswagen Scirocco to be sold in Canada without having to meet certain Canadian vehicle standards.

CETA Means Big Changes For Canadian Automotive Industry - Autos.ca (http://www.autos.ca/general-news/ceta-means-big-changes-for-canadian-automotive-industry/)

I'm starting to dream of Astra VXRs and Renault Megane Cups...

Gridlock
10-21-2013, 11:22 AM
I like the Peugeot's. They are very distinct in styling, have never really been in North America and are very recognizable as European cars.

They always stand out as something different.

So in a way, the opportunity to have one here is interesting, but on the other hand, it kind of takes away from that exclusivity and unobtainable quality.

320icar
10-21-2013, 11:49 AM
"The biggest change will be in tariffs. Manufacturers from Europe will (hopefully) be able to sell their vehicles for less in Canada, allowing more customers to purchase European produced vehicles. The same will be true for vehicles built in Canada for export (the Ford Edge is expected to be sold globally soon, built in Ontario)."


... Or keep the price the same and greatly improve profit margins.
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CorneringArtist
10-21-2013, 11:59 AM
I mentioned it in another thread, but barring lobbying from oil companies, this could open the gate for more options in diesel passenger cars other than VW's TDI.
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carmaniac
10-21-2013, 12:12 PM
I mentioned it in another thread, but barring lobbying from oil companies, this could open the gate for more options in diesel passenger cars other than VW's TDI.
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I hope so too, but it's not just a matter of importing diesels over. Euro diesel is much cleaner than North America diesel (less sulphur) and it would take a large investment to convert them to run properly here.

Simply having the Canadian market wouldn't be enough, the US market would also need to have the demand for the automakers to invest. It's starting to happen though, MB, Audi and BMW are all rolling out new diesel vehicles in the next few years.

:okay:

StylinRed
10-21-2013, 12:23 PM
Hmm... there's bound to be something that's going to keep prices high or bar importation because the Americans are going to be fuming

If not then I can't wait there are tonnes of awesome cars trucks vans etc etc to be had :fullofwin:

thumper
10-21-2013, 01:55 PM
so... this only applies to new european vehicles? older vehicles still fall under the 15 year rule?

tofu1413
10-21-2013, 03:49 PM
http://www.motorstown.com/images/renault-clio-sport-v6-01.jpg


:megusta: gonna get me a clio.

Lomac
10-21-2013, 04:47 PM
I want me an Alfa Romeo Mito GTA.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/alfa_romeo_mito_gta_new3.jpg

:drool:

Manic!
10-21-2013, 09:17 PM
I think cars will still have to br on RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles). If the car has not gone threw safety testing in Canada the car will have to be 15 years old to be imported.

GS8
10-21-2013, 09:24 PM
http://cdn.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/vw_scirocco_0-520x351.jpg

http://www.carsbase.com/photo/Vauxhall-VXR8_mp88_pic_79745.jpg

nack
10-21-2013, 09:26 PM
brb dreaming of rs6 avant

Graeme S
10-21-2013, 09:26 PM
I think cars will still have to br on RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles). If the car has not gone threw safety testing in Canada the car will have to be 15 years old to be imported.
I thought there was an update a year or two ago saying that Ecode crash tests and regulations would be accepted essentially 'at par' with Canadian ones?

wstce92
10-22-2013, 02:21 AM
omgomgomg SciroccoSciroccoScirocco

thumper
10-22-2013, 07:22 AM
I thought there was an update a year or two ago saying that Ecode crash tests and regulations would be accepted essentially 'at par' with Canadian ones?

i need proof please! i can't find anything online. otherwise all these dream cars everyone is posting up is just a 15 year dream... :cry:

toyota86
10-22-2013, 07:41 AM
gray market for all!
this is exciting if it actually happens

Ikkaku
10-22-2013, 08:41 AM
I'll take a cheap gti if a good portion of the owners are thinking of upgrading to a scirocco :D

Cman333
11-05-2013, 02:11 PM
Wow.....finally.

An Alpha Romeo would be dope :P

westopher
11-05-2013, 03:03 PM
I thought there was an update a year or two ago saying that Ecode crash tests and regulations would be accepted essentially 'at par' with Canadian ones?
Pretty sure that was american standards which is how we ended up with the golf r32 and evo 8s/9s when we couldn't legally before however that was like 3/4 years ago. If the euro one was true there would be so many cars here that we have never seen.

white rocket
11-05-2013, 05:43 PM
Interesting news. Curious to see how this unfolds. I've been waiting for 2014 to import a 1999 European Domestic piece as per the 15 rule. Would be cool if the flood gates open for newer cars. I'm sure lots of us have a Euro shopping list that is waiting to be filled. lol.

westopher
11-05-2013, 06:27 PM
My interest is very peaked to see what you are planning.

vitaminG
11-05-2013, 08:19 PM
i dont think this is going to be retroactive.

westopher
11-05-2013, 08:25 PM
It was in the U.S. case, hopefully it will be in this case as well.

falcon
11-05-2013, 09:09 PM
I think cars will still have to br on RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles). If the car has not gone threw safety testing in Canada the car will have to be 15 years old to be imported.

I guess you missed the part about adopting EU standards. That basically eliminates the RIV.

Rich Sandor
11-05-2013, 11:12 PM
The RIV will still exist.. they will simply add european cars to the allowed list. You still will not be able to legally import a 2014 JDM Yaris, for example.

I would hesitate to import a renault/citroen/peugot etc.. it will be a pain in the ass to get parts in a timely fashion.

ae101
11-05-2013, 11:16 PM
iveco anyone

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Iveco_Daily_front_20080625.jpg

Mr.Money
11-06-2013, 05:00 AM
^^^....reminds me of a jdm Bangbus.

- kT
11-06-2013, 03:25 PM
always thought it sucked that we never got the scirrocco. hope this happens!
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shantz
11-09-2013, 06:54 PM
You can import the Scirocco now... I know of one. It just takes time and money to make it happen.

I'm looking forward to the Costworth Ford line-up. Focus RS, Mondeo RS

GS8
11-09-2013, 07:02 PM
Does this mean we can get TVRs? :fullofwin:

http://cars-list-db.com/data_images/models/tvr-sagaris/tvr-sagaris-13.jpg

http://www.tvrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/tvr_cerbera_4200-4500_buying_tvr_blog_5.jpg

westopher
11-09-2013, 07:04 PM
You can import the Scirocco now... I know of one. It just takes time and money to make it happen.

I'm looking forward to the Costworth Ford line-up. Focus RS, Mondeo RS
Are you sure you aren't just aware of the HPA ones where they took apart and rebuilt the car? Of course with a massive amount of money you can make it happen. The point is, with the rule change, or so we hope, is you can just make it happen without being stupid enough to pay 100k for a new fwd VW

Lomac
11-09-2013, 07:05 PM
Oh man, TVR.

Want hours of fun? Leave the car in a bad neighbourhood and watch how long it'll take for someone to try and steal it. I'll guarantee they'd leave after 10 minutes of just figuring out how to open the door. :lol

Lomac
11-09-2013, 07:06 PM
Are you sure you aren't just aware of the HPA ones where they took apart and rebuilt the car? Of course with a massive amount of money you can make it happen. The point is, with the rule change, or so we hope, is you can just make it happen without being stupid enough to pay 100k for a new fwd VW.

Well, someone paid a stupid amout of money for a grey market R34 in Vancouver.

There's a sucker born every minute.
or
A fool and his money are soon parted.

Take your pick. :p

kunoman1
11-10-2013, 01:15 AM
http://www.base4car.com/images/ford-sierra-cosworth-turbo_black_5.jpg

I want one of these!

CorneringArtist
11-10-2013, 01:38 AM
The old TVR s and the Sierra Cosworth are legal under the 15 year rule anyways, would take a Peugeot 106 Rallye tho. Please to have Citroën DS5 or Renault Megane Sport.
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OrangeJuice
03-23-2014, 07:05 PM
I want to see the A45 and the M135i. Like, ASAP Rocky.

Oh my god, C63 Wagon and CLS63 Shooting Brake. Just thinking about them makes me nut.

The G63 6x6 would make for a fine C-Lai-mobile.

Mr.Stubbz
03-23-2014, 09:13 PM
woo! we can finally get more options and variety when it comes to cheap fun small cars! *if this happens anyways* :fullofwin:

OrangeJuice
03-24-2014, 10:30 AM
woo! we can finally get more options and variety when it comes to cheap fun small cars! *if this happens anyways* :fullofwin:

And maybe your mom can switch to a proper C-Lai mobile...:troll:

Mr.Stubbz
03-24-2014, 12:07 PM
we already have the lexus 350's here though :suspicious:

shenmecar
03-24-2014, 12:20 PM
I want to see the A45 and the M135i. Like, ASAP Rocky.

Oh my god, C63 Wagon and CLS63 Shooting Brake. Just thinking about them makes me nut.

The G63 6x6 would make for a fine C-Lai-mobile.

They be running over children like speed bumps. :heckno:

Qmx323
03-24-2014, 04:50 PM
Kia Cee'd

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/03/2013-kia-proceed-gt-geneva.jpg

Mr.Stubbz
03-24-2014, 07:01 PM
..... :suspicious: wait a second, does this mean that we can have those track orientated cars legal on the road too?

http://www.blogcdn.com/ca.autoblog.com/media/2013/06/formula-ford-street-legal-1-1370624774.jpg

rriggi
03-24-2014, 09:03 PM
Does this mean we can get TVRs? :fullofwin:


http://www.tvrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/tvr_cerbera_4200-4500_buying_tvr_blog_5.jpg

Someone had one of these on c-list a month ago? pretty sure they were asking over 40K for it.

underscore
03-25-2014, 01:28 PM
I would hesitate to import a renault/citroen/peugot etc.. it will be a pain in the ass to get parts in a timely fashion.

Especially considering how specialized some of the required diagnostics now are.

Klondike
03-25-2014, 02:34 PM
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730x700/media/5138325/Peugeot%201007%20%283%29.jpg

I'd import this. :sweetjesus:

donjalapeno
03-25-2014, 06:29 PM
This :sweetjesus:

http://www.hotwheels.com.sg/products/novitec/brera%20spider%20c.jpg

Cman333
03-28-2014, 11:45 AM
This :sweetjesus:

http://www.hotwheels.com.sg/products/novitec/brera%20spider%20c.jpg

Oh Hellllllllllll yeahhhhhh :awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah:

cheeky_scrub
09-28-2014, 02:30 PM
An update...

The language of the agreement has been finalized:

Stephen Harper confident as final EU trade deal released - Politics - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-confident-as-final-eu-trade-deal-released-1.2778715)

I am salivating over the idea of seeing the Scirocco R or Hilux on Canadian roads. My body, she is ready.

Gucci Mane
09-28-2014, 02:59 PM
other than the tvr everything else thats been posted has been lame.

imagine if this were legal here :sweetjesus: :megusta:

http://www.brabus.com/cars4sale/car_730_T-Modell.html?lang=en

more goodness, http://www.brabus.com/cars4sale/en

twitchyzero
09-28-2014, 03:02 PM
is this free for all? or only applicable to LHD vehicles?

c4@urdoor
09-28-2014, 03:10 PM
Brabus was cool....

10 yrs ago.

cheeky_scrub
09-28-2014, 03:28 PM
So I was doing some additional research on this subject.

On Autos.ca (http://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php/topic,85504.msg928019.html?PHPSESSID=8mim53dnhq2g5 cn672t624epp1#msg928019), they're saying that the volume/dealer network requirements mean no Peugeots or Renaults in Canada. And the agreement doesn't apply to used cars (i.e. 15 year rule still applies)

Is this true?

Ronin
09-28-2014, 03:33 PM
All those little French hot hatches are very Top Gear...

cheeky_scrub
09-28-2014, 03:38 PM
All those little French hot hatches are very Top Gear...

I'd love to take a Clio RS or an M135i up the Sea to Sky...

jinxcrusader
09-28-2014, 04:36 PM
Focus RS!?!?!

cheeky_scrub
09-30-2014, 08:18 PM
.

underscore
10-01-2014, 03:03 PM
^ yep, 2016 I believe. AWD and turbo'd, supposed to be near Mustang HP levels.

brrrz
10-01-2014, 04:33 PM
Was never a fan of the TVR

hud 91gt
10-01-2014, 05:28 PM
Was never a fan of the TVR

Blasphemy. I'd trade my Z for one of these in a heartbeat, even if they have shitty craftsmanship and are considered a "kit car" to some.
http://www.jagpromotions.com/forsale/tvr/hoodup6776.jpg


Almost pulled the trigger on one last summer, Pre Z. But it wasn't meant to be. Tube frame, fiberglass body. Seems like a 5.0 and T5 was just meant to be. And it's ok, because it's just a "kit car"

http://m0.i.pbase.com/o2/21/783021/1/140414790.O0OO1kxi.DSC_0603640.JPG
My god do the Brits ever make sexy cars