[Culverin]

Watch the video the New York Times didn't Want You to See - YouTube

[xpl0sive]

As much as "dislike Jewish policies", I see where they are coming from. This is very similar to the Mexicans going to the US illegally and working there illegally. Why should a county accept illegal immigrants and grant them work permits? Each country has immigration policies for a reason, if you don't want to follow them, stay where you are. I understand that there is war and genocide in Africa, but fleeing their country and "invading" someone else's isn't really a solution.

Some of the Israli behaviour is very similar to Hitler's Nazi policies though... how interesting. Perhaps they are taking their anger over Holocaust out on the Africans?

[Lomac]

As much as I hate jews

...

:rukidding:

[xpl0sive]

fixed it for u

[trancehead]

LOL^

[Z3guy]

And the hate continues........

[belka]

I love Israel's immigration policies, they don't fuck around. Period. If you are getting on a flight to Israel and look 10% Arab they pull you to the back room and question you thoroughly. Racial profiling is one of the key reasons why they haven't had a terrorist attack inside of Israel in a long time. It may be wrong but it works. Don't like it, don't go there. I support Israel's actions if it means the continuation of the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east.

[StylinRed]

Treatment of immigrants and legal foreign workers and their children in israel is appalling its been known for quite some time and discussed but greater attention is definitely needed


I love Israel's immigration policies, they don't fuck around. Period. If you are getting on a flight to Israel and look 10% Arab they pull you to the back room and question you thoroughly. so they pull aside all jews except the european ones? Racial profiling is one of the key reasons why they haven't had a terrorist attack inside of Israel in a long time. It may be wrong but it works. Don't like it, don't go there. I support Israel's actions if it means the continuation of the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east.

yeah 2008 was ages ago.... :badpokerface:

[rsx]

Vice has an interesting documentary, I believe titled, "Rebel Settlers."

Israel is really trying to cement that it's their land instead of the Palestinian's.

[GS8]

Video 1:

The Zionist Story. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_214712&feature=iv&src_vid=wA1lDow-0rk&v=ufLAitMq3zI)

Video 2:

Talk to Al Jazeera - Rabbi Dovid Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' - YouTube

In issues as convoluted as this, there becomes multiple sides to them. The question is which one do you want to believe?

[Culverin]

Also relevant.


This Land is Mine - YouTube


You can see the character key here:
This Land Is Mine « Nina Paley?s Blog (http://blog.ninapaley.com/2012/10/01/this-land-is-mine/)

[parm104]

I love Israel's immigration policies, they don't fuck around. Period. If you are getting on a flight to Israel and look 10% Arab they pull you to the back room and question you thoroughly. Racial profiling is one of the key reasons why they haven't had a terrorist attack inside of Israel in a long time. It may be wrong but it works. Don't like it, don't go there. I support Israel's actions if it means the continuation of the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east.

You're jumping to a pretty big conclusion there by saying that they don't have terrorist attacks because they actively practice racial profiling.

The same policies are not practiced in that manner in Canada, how many terrorist attacks have we had? Go back as far as twenty years if you must to see.

[GS8]

Also relevant.


This Land is Mine - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY)


You can see the character key here:
This Land Is Mine « Nina Paley?s Blog (http://blog.ninapaley.com/2012/10/01/this-land-is-mine/)

I'm going to share this on Facebook. It should fix the Middle East if I do!

[Culverin]

You're jumping to a pretty big conclusion there by saying that they don't have terrorist attacks because they actively practice racial profiling.

The same policies are not practiced in that manner in Canada, how many terrorist attacks have we had? Go back as far as twenty years if you must to see.

Apologies to correct you, but your logic-fu is weak.
The same result does not necessitate the same methods.


You can have peace through various means.
1. Mutually assured destruction. Everybody dead, no more killing.
2. Diplomacy, tolerance and understanding. lols :nyan:
3. Superior intelligence and firepower. Strike the fear in the hearts of your enemies.



If you think about it. Canada went with method #2. Almost everybody likes us.

Israel probably went with #3.

[Z3guy]

I love Israel's immigration policies, they don't fuck around. Period. If you are getting on a flight to Israel and look 10% Arab they pull you to the back room and question you thoroughly. Racial profiling is one of the key reasons why they haven't had a terrorist attack inside of Israel in a long time. It may be wrong but it works. Don't like it, don't go there. I support Israel's actions if it means the continuation of the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east.

you support Israel actions? with your rationale it is ok for other countries to profile anyone that looks 10% Jewish? They are doing what seems pretty similar to what the Nazi's did to the Jews before WW2. You should read some history books man.....this is history repeating itself.....

[parm104]

Apologies to correct you, but your logic-fu is weak.
The same result does not necessitate the same methods.


You can have peace through various means.
1. Mutually assured destruction. Everybody dead, no more killing.
2. Diplomacy, tolerance and understanding. lols :nyan:
3. Superior intelligence and firepower. Strike the fear in the hearts of your enemies.



If you think about it. Canada went with method #2. Almost everybody likes us.

Israel probably went with #3.

You're jumping to a pretty big conclusion there by saying that they don't have terrorist attacks because they actively practice racial profiling.

The same policies are not practiced in that manner in Canada, how many terrorist attacks have we had? Go back as far as twenty years if you must to see.

If your point is that Canada does not use the same methods as Israel, then that is exactly what I already said...

[belka]

You're jumping to a pretty big conclusion there by saying that they don't have terrorist attacks because they actively practice racial profiling.

The same policies are not practiced in that manner in Canada, how many terrorist attacks have we had? Go back as far as twenty years if you must to see.

Don't try to compare what Israel is going through compared to Canada. Don't be stupid. Israel has been a target of terrorism since it's creation. Canada isn't surrounded by countries that want it dead and pushed into the sea.

you support Israel actions? with your rationale it is ok for other countries to profile anyone that looks 10% Jewish? They are doing what seems pretty similar to what the Nazi's did to the Jews before WW2. You should read some history books man.....this is history repeating itself.....

Racial profiling FOR AIRLINE FLIGHTS is the key method for EL AL and how they conduct business and keep terrorists off their planes. Do you know how much security those aircraft have in airports? Why doesn't Air Canada have their own personal car filled with dudes with automatic weapons following it around at LAX? Idiots would love to hijack an EL AL flight more than anything. Anything Israel does to make their lives more secure e.g. West Bank wall, etc is justified. The Arabs have had their chance at peace, it's too late now.

[Z3guy]

^ with your rationale, we should build a big wall and impose martial law...that would curb crime.

Peace is too late?? you got to educate yourself man.....this is how World wars start......

[melloman]

You're jumping to a pretty big conclusion there by saying that they don't have terrorist attacks because they actively practice racial profiling.

The same policies are not practiced in that manner in Canada, how many terrorist attacks have we had? Go back as far as twenty years if you must to see.

The only difference is..

Israel is trying to maintain their traditions/culture/etc..

Canada welcomes everyone and we don't have traditions. As each race brings their own and keeps to their own while living in Canada..

Israel vs Canada comparison is completely invalid.

[parm104]

The only difference is..

Israel is trying to maintain their traditions/culture/etc..

Canada welcomes everyone and we don't have traditions. As each race brings their own and keeps to their own while living in Canada..

Israel vs Canada comparison is completely invalid.

You missed the entire point of the comparison....He attributed Israel's lack of terrorism to their racial profiling practices on airlines...The comparison is exaggerated to show that his conclusion is the same.

To say a country doesn't have X amount of terrorist attacks because they racially profile people boarding planes is quite an assumption. Because airplanes are the only methods of transportation/terrorism that terrorists use...

Don't try to compare what Israel is going through compared to Canada. Don't be stupid.


Okay, your demands will be met. I won't be stupid.

Anything Israel does to make their lives more secure e.g. West Bank wall, etc is justified. The Arabs have had their chance at peace, it's too late now.

So it's too late for any ethnic community to migrate to Israel? African's can't migrate, asian's can't migrate, it's just too late for everyone?

[Z3guy]

Germany was trying to maintain their traditions/cultures/etc of an arianism society as well.

[gars]

The only difference is..

Israel is trying to maintain their traditions/culture/etc..


Their traditions? Israel, as we know it, was created in the 50's. People of different backgrounds have lived in that area for centuries - but had their rights taken away when Israel was formed.

I met a guy from Israel while travelling in Europe. He looks like any other guy from Israel, but is Christian, not Jewish. His family has lived there for many, many generations - but he has half the rights as a Jewish person there, ie, he can't vote. What about their traditions and cultures?

[CharlesInCharge]

Its Zionist propaganda to think Israhelli's are tied by blood to Jerusalem.

Jewish Genome Myth
Jewish Genome Myth by Jim Dean with Heretic Productions - YouTube

These Anglo whites are used by the NWO for a strategic military purpose and not for uniting peoples of a Judaic religion which come from, presently and historically, different parts of Europe.

[belka]

^ with your rationale, we should build a big wall and impose martial law...that would curb crime.

Your comparison is ridiculous. Canada has no external threats of terrorism trying to get into the country to blow up buses and schools by land, unless Americans started crossing the border to commit crime.


To say a country doesn't have X amount of terrorist attacks because they racially profile people boarding planes is quite an assumption. Because airplanes are the only methods of transportation/terrorism that terrorists use...

Profiling is nothing new and should be used more often. Ethnic profiling in airport screening: Lessons from Israel, 1968-2010 Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center (http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/ethnic-profiling-airport-screening-lessons-israel-1968-2010)

So it's too late for any ethnic community to migrate to Israel? African's can't migrate, asian's can't migrate, it's just too late for everyone?

Arab terrorism and immigration are completely different topics. You missed the point. In any case, if Israel wants to keep certain people from becoming citizens they have every right to do so. Right, wrong it's their choice. I believe Canada should in essence do the same thing, don't give out citizenship unless you have something to contribute. Israel has a problem with terrorism to deal with, Canada does as well from certain Toronto area's, but not to the same extremes.

[T4RAWR]

there has actually been an increase in domestic/homegrown terrorism in Canada...

[GLOW]

Video 1:

The Zionist Story. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_214712&feature=iv&src_vid=wA1lDow-0rk&v=ufLAitMq3zI)

Video 2:

Talk to Al Jazeera - Rabbi Dovid Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY)

In issues as convoluted as this, there becomes multiple sides to them. The question is which one do you want to believe?

Its Zionist propaganda to think Israhelli's are tied by blood to Jerusalem.

Jewish Genome Myth
Jewish Genome Myth by Jim Dean with Heretic Productions - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chAily-rPAA)

These Anglo whites are used by the NWO for a strategic military purpose and not for uniting peoples of a Judaic religion which come from, presently and historically, different parts of Europe.

someone mentions the word zionist before CiC
mind = blown

[parm104]

Profiling is nothing new and should be used more often. Ethnic profiling in airport screening: Lessons from Israel, 1968-2010 Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center (http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/security-military/ethnic-profiling-airport-screening-lessons-israel-1968-2010)


Your data and research has led me to change my position and agree with you that that airport screening has helped mitigate terrorism in Israel.


Arab terrorism and immigration are completely different topics. You missed the point. In any case, if Israel wants to keep certain people from becoming citizens they have every right to do so.

Well...the point of the video posted in the original post is that the "racists" in the film do not want ANY immigration of communities that are foreign to Israel. Not wanting terrorists in your country and not wanting people different from you are two different things and the latter is what is being proposed in the video. That is why me and few others here think it's absurd to behave that way in this day and age. Of course no one wants terrorists in their country.

[m!chael]

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[Z3guy]

You're full of shit and you know it. My mother is a Christian Israeli and she has full rights at all times. If anything, i'm considered a Christian in Israel and I never had a problem of any sort. Furthermore, the Christian Arab community in Israel is thriving compared to their brethren in other Arab countries. From the Wikipedia page (Arab Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians#Israel):)):
- "this is one of the biggest Arab Christian communities in the world. It is also the only Arab Christian community in the Middle East, which experiences a net population growth."
- Christian Arabs are considered to be the most educated community in Israel and they have attained more bachelor's degrees and academic degrees than Jewish, Muslims and Druze per capita.
- Christian Arabs also have the highest rates of success in the matriculation examinations, both in comparison to the Muslims and the Druze and in comparison to all students in the Jewish education system.

In regards to the movie, I'm not even going to watch it. I know exactly what it's going to show; right-winged and xenophobic idiots. I hate them here, I hate them in the States, and I hate them in Israel.

The difference is in the US and Canada they are small radical groups that don't have any serious power. What disturb me about the video is the pm and senior govt officials are supporting this pure Jewish state. The equivalent in the US would be the kkk holding half the seats in the senate. Que in Canada scares me right now......

[Ronin]

Deny them asylum if you want. I got no issue with that but wow, do they have to be such dicks about it?

[Anjew]

they learned racism from the best.... /jk

z3guy is right though, its scary that even the people in power support the same notions as what we consider extremist ideals

[Valour]

For some reason this convo reminds me of World War Z. You know that big giant wall they built? How come nobody thought of putting a watchman up there? or a camera?

[iwantaskyline]

For some reason this convo reminds me of World War Z. You know that big giant wall they built? How come nobody thought of putting a watchman up there? or a camera?

it's a movie?

[El Bastardo]

http://i.imgur.com/eHH9k7z.jpg

[T4RAWR]

^where is that from?

[El Bastardo]

I don't recognize the station but I think its Millennium line

[StylinRed]

Harper, like Mulroney is very tight with the Israeli lobby in Canada so I guess I shouldn't be surprised in seeing that poster....but I still am

[melloman]

Looks like.. Broadway station on the Millennium line.. (Because of the living wall on the left side.)

[GLOW]

for some reason it looks photoshopped to me

[7seven]

Harper, like Mulroney is very tight with the Israeli lobby in Canada so I guess I shouldn't be surprised in seeing that poster....but I still am

for some reason it looks photoshopped to me

It's an actual ad, however, it has nothing to do with Harper or an official Government ad, its paid for a by a private non-profit to counter the Palestine Awareness ads also up at local transit hubs.

Pro-Israel SkyTrain Ads Respond To 'Disappearing Palestine' Campaign
The Huffington Post B.C. | Posted: 10/11/2013 8:20 pm EDT | Updated: 10/11/2013 8:20 pm EDT

Following a controversial ad campaign run by the Palestine Awareness Coalition on Vancouver's transit system earlier this year, the pro-Israeli group Stand With Us (SWU) has announced its plan to counter "misinformation" with its own campaign.

According to a news release posted to its website, Stand With Us will display two different posters in 10 SkyTrain stations and on city buses for a month beginning Oct. 14.

"One [poster] depicts Jewish loss of land from Biblical times to the present by juxtaposing a map of the ancient Jewish kingdom circa 1000 BCE, a map of the land designated as the Jewish homeland by the League of Nations in 1920, and a map of the much smaller Israel of today, " the release states.

Children stand in front of the Canadian and Israeli flags in the second ad in order to illustrate, "the shared values and freedom both countries enjoy".

The "Disappearing Palestine" poster showed the territory of Palestine shrinking into the state of Israel, something the SWU claims distorts the facts.

"In reality, it is the Jewish state that has steadily gotten smaller," states Roz Rothstein, CEO of Stand With Us. "It reached its largest extent during the reigns of Kings David and Solomon when it stretched into Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. But over the decades, Israel shrank to its present size and is only 9 miles wide at its narrowest point and 290 miles long."

In August, when the "Disappearing Palestine" ads were about to launch, Marty Roth, a Jewish Canadian, and a member of the Palestine Awareness Campaign, told canada.com the campaign would be “controversial with a number of traditional Jewish organizations that have tried to suppress the ads. But TransLink has refused to agree with them, because these are educational ads that are well within national advertising guidelines and the Canadian Charter.”


TransLink said that the August campaign complied with Canadian advertising standards and did not violate any human rights, and that it does not endorse nor advocate any positions put forward by outside advertisers.


Pro-Israel SkyTrain Ads Respond To 'Disappearing Palestine' Campaign (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/11/pro-israel-skytrain-ads-disappearing-palestine_n_4087015.html)

[FARMER]

I love Israel's immigration policies, they don't fuck around. Period. If you are getting on a flight to Israel and look 10% Arab they pull you to the back room and question you thoroughly. Racial profiling is one of the key reasons why they haven't had a terrorist attack inside of Israel in a long time. It may be wrong but it works. Don't like it, don't go there. I support Israel's actions if it means the continuation of the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east.

You must be joking. Anyone with an open mind can see that Israel is a police state first and a democracy when it's convenient.

And when you write that Israel is "the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east" I didn't know whether I should laugh or cry. What exactly is Israel technologically advanced at? What economic comparative advantage does Israel have? What items have you ever seen on store shelves that was made in Israel (besides apples)? The only thing that sticks out in my mind is is her ability to manufacture weapons of death. Israel's military industrial complex is no doubt one of the most formidable on the planet (especially terrifying when one takes into account the relatively small size of Israel). If that's something that you think a country should be proud of then we can agree to disagree.

Finally and most importantly, without the financial, military and political backing of the United States, the state of Israel would be peanuts compared to what it is presently. And as Pax Americana continues its long-term decline (economically, politically, culturally), its ability to back Israel will wither. And without US backing, Israel will be violently swallowed up by her neighbours because she has made enemies with everyone in the Middle East (with ample support from people like you and the people in the vid).

[Culverin]

oOOOOH.

fREE Tranlink money.

We've solved our translink problems! :D

[m!chael]

You must be joking. Anyone with an open mind can see that Israel is a police state first and a democracy when it's convenient.

And when you write that Israel is "the only first-world technologically advanced democracy in the middle east" I didn't know whether I should laugh or cry. What exactly is Israel technologically advanced at? What economic comparative advantage does Israel have? What items have you ever seen on store shelves that was made in Israel (besides apples)? The only thing that sticks out in my mind is is her ability to manufacture weapons of death. Israel's military industrial complex is no doubt one of the most formidable on the planet (especially terrifying when one takes into account the relatively small size of Israel). If that's something that you think a country should be proud of then we can agree to disagree.

Finally and most importantly, without the financial, military and political backing of the United States, the state of Israel would be peanuts compared to what it is presently. And as Pax Americana continues its long-term decline (economically, politically, culturally), its ability to back Israel will wither. And without US backing, Israel will be violently swallowed up by her neighbours because she has made enemies with everyone in the Middle East (with ample support from people like you and the people in the vid).

Weapons of death as opposed to weapons of life? But anyways, Israel is one of the major centers in the world for technological development (of which weapon development is only a small part of - but yes, a part of nonetheless). You don't necessarily have to agree with Israeli policies regarding the conflict or immigration, but to deny that just makes you look foolish. Oh, and you would be surprised how much technology and software you use on a daily basis that has its origins in Israel (just off the top of my head, Facebook uses Israeli developed face recognition software).

[bcrdukes]

http://i.imgur.com/eHH9k7z.jpg

Remember those "Magic Eye" puzzles way back when?

If you look hard enough, and maybe twitch your left eye more than your right, you'll see the American flag. Hint: Take a few steps back and you'll see the two merge together. The most obvious of which is the blast of red, white and blue.

That or the ad is trying to promote what I think are Asian Twinks and Diesel Dyke Lesbians. Then again, some say it's art. I'm sure it's open to interpretation, right? I try to keep an open mind.

[mikemhg]

I'm sure someone said this earlier, but I find it so ironic that after the ordeals the Jews had to go through during World War 2, you would think they would be a more compassionate nation, yet they are not. Let's be real here, Israel was and still is a Western Financed welfare state, there would not have the power and strength without American financial and military support. I don't understand why we have to be constantly reminded about the Holocaust through movies, and television and other media, to feel sympathetic of the Jewish situation during those times, and yet the Israeli's today are running a bit of a holocaust themselves in the Middle East? As a nation I have always wished that Israel would be more reflective of themselves and their history as a persecuted people, and treat those who are and have been persecuted with the same compassion awarded to them by the Western world. But I suppose that's just human nature isn't it?

[belka]

You must be joking. Anyone with an open mind can see that Israel is a police state first and a democracy when it's convenient.

Do you even know what a police state is? I've been to and lived in Israel and it's far from a police state. Israel's neighbours are police states.

What exactly is Israel technologically advanced at? What economic comparative advantage does Israel have? What items have you ever seen on store shelves that was made in Israel (besides apples)? The only thing that sticks out in my mind is is her ability to manufacture weapons of death. Israel's military industrial complex is no doubt one of the most formidable on the planet (especially terrifying when one takes into account the relatively small size of Israel). If that's something that you think a country should be proud of then we can agree to disagree.

Stop your whining. Israel Hayom | IMF: Israel's economy to outpace all other Western economies (http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=12465)

IMF: Israel's economy to outpace all other Western economies

Finally and most importantly, without the financial, military and political backing of the United States, the state of Israel would be peanuts compared to what it is presently. And as Pax Americana continues its long-term decline (economically, politically, culturally), its ability to back Israel will wither. And without US backing, Israel will be violently swallowed up by her neighbours because she has made enemies with everyone in the Middle East (with ample support from people like you and the people in the vid).

Israel doesn't need US support to absolutely decimate it's neighbours, mostly have-not dictator states that run on oil as their prime source of income. Once the oil runs out so will the cash because no one really gives a fuck about the middle-east besides that. Lastly, no one is going to swallow up Israel because they know how to fight in a modern military battles, her enemies don't. Israel is the only real first-world modern nation in the middle east and until her neighbors decide to un-fuck themselves, it will be for a long while.

[StylinRed]

Israel runs the Diamond industry and Tourism is also a big part of their economy also in the past several years their tech industry has been booming

Yes they've heavily depended on the US and still depend on them but I think they realize more than anyone that the US is tanking and so their own industries have been getting heavy investment