[jpark]

I usually don't start rant threads but what happened last night was just above and beyond hence I'm making a thread about it

Last night, buddy and I decided to take the skytrain to dt from lougheed station to meet couple other friends to drink. When we were about to pay for the tickets, we noticed that all the ticket machines had "Temporarily Out of Service" stickers taped on to the card slots and the screen. There was not much we could do, so we decided to just hop on to the skytrain (we asked one of the transit workers there, he told us to dont worry and proceed)

Couple stops later almost near vancouver, these transit police on the train were asking people to display their tickets. When they came to us, we explained the situation, assuming they knew about the lougheed station ticket machines. Well nope, they first, tell us to get off on the next station, they "called" their dispatcher there to "check" the machines and apparently the machines were operating fine which lead them to issuing us a 173 dollar violation ticket. We literally stood there for 1 hour, arguing with them, but these ungrateful assholes rather had that "pffft nice try liers" face expressions and attitude with them.

Buddy and I decided to fuck it, screw dt, lets go back to lougheed station and prove these guys wrong. So we took the train back to the lougheed station. Here is the most fucked up part. When we got off on lougheed station, we both rushed to the machines. When we got to the machines, guess what, the "Temporarily Out of Service" stickers were gone. It left us speechless but we could still see the remains of the stickers. We took pictures of the sticker remains for court purposes and even made videos of it (not that it would help much anyways).

About 30mins in, the same 3 douchebag cops that issued us a ticket were coming downstairs on lougheed station (this was actually quite lucky for us). We quickly called them over, and showed them the sticker remains that were left on the machines. The guy starts to laugh saying "that doesnt mean anything" and walks off.
Right when we were about to give up on this whole situation, we saw a skytrain security guy walking around. We rushed to him, told him the situation and asked if he knew anything about the machines being down couple hrs ago. He says "yes, the machines were down but a technician came and fixed it" We bring the transit security dude over to the 3 douchebag cops, the guy tells them about the machines and cop cancels our tickets.

I was AT LEAST expecting an apology for ruining my fucking night with a wasted club ticket that i couldn't even use. But nope, no apologies were given, no fucks given, He just scribbles around the ticket, says have a good night, and leaves. We asked the transit security guy if he ever got a call from those police but he says no, never received a single call.
If you guys ever run into ticket machines that are out of order, Please make sure to at least take pictures of the broken machines and make sure the photos have dates on them. Or these fabulous Vancouver transit police pigs that are supposed to protect the citizens with our tax money will ruin your day with their shit attitudes.

[Drow]

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[Mr.HappySilp]

Fail.
You know what, if the machines weren't working at one station, you take the skytrain to the next station, get off and purchase your tickets there. Also ticket machines weren't working at the time of purchase wouldn't it make sense to take pictures of it with your cell phones (unless of course you don't have a cell phone with a camera...).

Let me guess you most likely argue with them and trying to prove you are right. Once I forgot to the ticket on the skytrain explain to them transit security that I always purchase the monthly pass and is the beginning of the month so I forgot. They let me off the hook, coz I was being nice and didn't argue with them. It is still your fault for my having paid for your ticket.


Is call common sense which you seem to lack.

[Spidey]

are you kidding me?

- cop gives you ticket for no fare payment

- you tell him it's because the machines were broken

- cop calls their dispatch to see if it is true (and is advised by the dispatch that they ARE WORKING")

- cop issues you a ticket because they probably have been lied to so many with the same excuse

- you see the same cops and with word from security that the machines were down

- they CANCELED THE TICKET

so why are they dicks? they did their job with the information and evidence they had. they canceled the ticket once they found out your story was true. They don't have to be sorry for the machines being down. if they really wanted to be dicks, they could have told you "tough luck and dispute it" and made you waste a day of your work week to attend traffic court.

[jpark]

Fail.
You know what, if the machines weren't working at one station, you take the skytrain to the next station, get off and purchase your tickets there. Also ticket machines weren't working at the time of purchase wouldn't it make sense to take pictures of it with your cell phones (unless of course you don't have a cell phone with a camera...).

Let me guess you most likely argue with them and trying to prove you are right. Once I forgot to the ticket on the skytrain explain to them transit security that I always purchase the monthly pass and is the beginning of the month so I forgot. They let me off the hook, coz I was being nice and didn't argue with them. It is still your fault for my having paid for your ticket.


Is call common sense which you seem to lack.


No, you fail. Why? because we asked the police about this, and even asked the securities that were at lougheed station before getting on the skytrain

If all the machines are down, you have the right to go on without paying. This is what the police told us THEMSELVES except they thought we were bullshitting. If i lacked common sense, i dont think i'd be here as of now. Dont judge without knowing the situation dick head.

[jpark]

are you kidding me?

- cop gives you ticket for no fare payment

- you tell him it's because the machines were broken

- cop calls their dispatch to see if it is true (and is advised by the dispatch that they ARE WORKING")

- cop issues you a ticket because they probably have been lied to so many with the same excuse

- you see the same cops and with word from security that the machines were down

- they CANCELED THE TICKET

so why are they dicks? they did their job with the information and evidence they had. they canceled the ticket once they found out your story was true. They don't have to be sorry for the machines being down.


So you would be happy in this situation?
what about the time they wasted for me and my buddy? what about the club tickets that were wasted because we couldnt go? was i expecting them to bow down? no. All i wanted was a simple apology for wasting my night. which didnt happen.

[Mr.HappySilp]

No, you fail. Why? because we asked the police about this

If all the machines are down, you have the right to go on without paying. This is what the police told us THEMSELVES except they thought we were bullshitting. If i lacked common sense, i dont think i'd be here as of now. Dont judge without knowing the situation dick head.

No common sense is you get off at the next skytrain station and paid at that station.

[Spidey]

No, you fail. Why? because we asked the police about this

If all the machines are down, you have the right to go on without paying. This is what the police told us THEMSELVES except they thought we were bullshitting. If i lacked common sense, i dont think i'd be here as of now. Dont judge without knowing the situation dick head.

without common sense, it doesn't necessarily mean you won't survive in life... look around you. most people don't have common sense.

[Skittlez160]

Moral of the story, Jason.....just drive. :P

Hahaha jk bro. That would totally ruin my night as well but props on being persistent and getting the ticket voided.

[Spidey]

what about the time they wasted for me and my buddy? was i expecting them to bow down? no. All i wanted was a simple apology for wasting my night. which didnt happen.

wow. do you want a cookie as well? a halloween treat? stocking stuffer? wedding gift?

they were doing their job. it's an unfortunate incident. they did not deliberately ruin your night. they didn't give you a ticket knowing the machines were down. they actually checked to see if the machines were down, but were told, no. You technically didn't have to waste the rest of your night to investigate the matter, but you did. That was your decision. what happened to the other people that boarded with you that couldn't pay for the fare? Were you the only one out of all those people that got caught?

What you could have done was get the information date time etc of the security person or station. call up translink to see if there was issues with the machines... dispute the ticket with that information the following day, and still go on with your night.

[Spidey]

So you would be happy in this situation?
what about the time they wasted for me and my buddy? what about the club tickets that were wasted because we couldnt go? was i expecting them to bow down? no. All i wanted was a simple apology for wasting my night. which didnt happen.

I would not be happy, no. But I wouldn't blame the transit cops for doing their job if that is what you are asking. If anything you should complain to Translink to have better communication with the transit cops regarding these situations as it could avoid situations like this happening in the future, but to say it is the transit cops fault? The first thing I thought when I started reading was that someone was playing a prank on the train riders by putting fake out of order signs to screw people over, which can happen. You are lucky it was actually out of order and had the ticket cancelled.

[CRS]

Spidey's common senses are tingling!

I could not have said it better than myself.

[StylinRed]

sorry Jpark but it doesn't sound like the transit police did anything wrong as Spidey pointed out they tried to confirm your story and was told otherwise and when they found out it was the truth they cancelled your tickets so what else could you expect?

[Hondaracer]

Lougheed station has two seperate entrances, when one is out of service the other is typically in service, this has happened to be a few times before there and I always am able to walk over to the other entrance and get a ticket.
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[jpark]

I would not be happy, no. But I wouldn't blame the transit cops for doing their job if that is what you are asking. If anything you should complain to Translink to have better communication with the transit cops regarding these situations as it could avoid situations like this happening in the future, but to say it is the transit cops fault? The first thing I thought when I started reading was that someone was playing a prank on the train riders by putting fake out of order signs to screw people over, which can happen. You are lucky it was actually out of order and had the ticket cancelled.

okay fine, if you put it that way, i guess they were doing their jobs. But you are certainly right on them needing to have better communication system. But it was mostly their attitude. I felt like a prisoner. They deal with punks everyday, so i yeah i understand, but seriously? if this is their regular attitude, i guess im not used to it because i never had to deal with transit police in my life, and i rarely even take the skytrains

[knight604]

who takes the transit when you have a s2k

[Not really racist!]

Honestly you're lucky they even cancelled it in the first place..... if they were bitches they could have just said fuck it and left

[Selanne_200]

This is what's wrong in our society these days. Everyone is pointing their fingers at somebody else without first putting themselves in others shoes. Can you even imagine the number of people the transit cops deal with DAILY with similar excuses. Basically you were caught red-handed with no proof of payment, they did their diligence in checking with their dispatcher and were told the machines were operating, so it should then be up to you to proof your case. They did the right thing once you were able to proof your innocence, so why should they apologize to you for doing their job? I don't see any wrongs in what they did so why should you be entitled to an apology? Btw, they didn't necessarily checked with the same security person at the station since I would imagine there are dispatchers going from station to station or in a central location.

Funny enough, people bitch when translink aren't getting the fare dodgers, and when they are, people bitch anyways. There's no winning.

[jpark]

^they were certainly doing their jobs, but like i already stated many times, it was their attitude that got me the most. When i was trying to explain the situation, i was being polite, they didnt even try to listen, started shouting at my face, i had to emphasize that the machine was down probably 50 times. Was all this rediculous attitude that necessary even though i was cooperating with them? Ironic you say that people point fingers without putting themselves in others shoes, yet you are doing it yourself right now for my situation. I guess I described the situation too uniformly.

[Euro7r]

I rather drive and pay the $12 parking or whatever it costs, than to take the transit. FFFFF Translink and their useless shit that always breaks down.

[entrax]

If all the machines are down, you have the right to go on without paying.

An argument could be placed against you because not all the machines were down all the way to Vancouver. Yeh, it makes sense to go on the train without paying if it's all broken, however you can really only make an argument for one station's worth of a train ride.

I noticed that you haven't really answered the above posts by others mentioning the whole getting off the next station and getting a ticket...

You could also report this to the board that the transit police reports to, however the likelihood of that doing anything is slim.

[jpark]

An argument could be placed against you because not all the machines were down all the way to Vancouver. Yeh, it makes sense to go on the train without paying if it's all broken, however you can really only make an argument for one station's worth of a train ride.

I noticed that you haven't really answered the above posts by others mentioning the whole getting off the next station and getting a ticket...

You could also report this to the board that the transit police reports to, however the likelihood of that doing anything is slim.

what is there more to answer? when we noticed that the machines were down, we asked one of the transit workers there at the station, he said dont worry about it and go on. You really expect me to get off on the next station and buy another ticket when i was told by the guy who WORKS there to not worry about it?

[Selanne_200]

^they were certainly doing their jobs, but like i already stated many times, it was their attitude that got me the most. When i was trying to explain the situation, i was being polite, they didnt even try to listen, started shouting at my face, i had to emphasize that the machine was down probably 50 times. Was all this rediculous attitude that necessary even though i was cooperating with them? Ironic you say that people point fingers without putting themselves in others shoes, yet you are doing it yourself right now for my situation. I guess I described the situation too uniformly.

Yes I'll admit that I'm doing the same without having a first person account of what happened;however, in your first post, seems like you were calling them SCUMBAGS and PIGS because of their refusal to cancel your ticket rather than the attitude you received from them.

[Gunsmokez]

If ticket machines are down, you should have gotten off the next stop to purchase a ticket. Or get onto a bus and ask for a transfer, rather then just get on a train think its alright not to pay.

Same thing happened at a parking meter. Parking meter was out of service, so rather then me still park there and be like "oh well, its broken ill still park here" I parked my car at another working location and paid accordingly.

[Gunsmokez]

what is there more to answer? when we noticed that the machines were down, we asked one of the transit workers there at the station, he said dont worry about it and go on. You really expect me to get off on the next station and buy another ticket when i was told by the guy who WORKS there to not worry about it?

The guy who works there, does not give a crap about you getting a ticket. He is probably thinking get away from me and stop asking me stupid questions!

Cover your own ass, and do not assume it is safe because some one else said its ok.

[Gunsmokez]

what is there more to answer? when we noticed that the machines were down, we asked one of the transit workers there at the station, he said dont worry about it and go on. You really expect me to get off on the next station and buy another ticket when i was told by the guy who WORKS there to not worry about it?

The guy who works there, does not give a crap about you getting a ticket. He is probably thinking get away from me and stop asking me stupid questions!

Cover your own ass, and do not assume it is safe because some one else said its ok.

In all, you are lucky the cops voided the ticket.

[dinosaur]

what is there more to answer? when we noticed that the machines were down, we asked one of the transit workers there at the station, he said dont worry about it and go on. You really expect me to get off on the next station and buy another ticket when i was told by the guy who WORKS there to not worry about it?

I understand that you were obviously frustrated, but as others have pointed out....it was your fault your night was ruined. This did not need to be a huge issue and I think you are blowing it a little out of proportion. To be honest, I can not really see these officers "shouting in your face" unless you were not listening to them.

As someone else pointed out, you could have explained the situation and if you did not get the answer you wanted, you could have continued about your business and disputed the ticket this week.

Furthermore, you could and SHOULD have exited the train at the next stop to purchase a ticket. I doubt the guy you talked to at the station intended for you to ride the rest of the night for free because one station was down....come on, dude.

Calm down and step back from the situation...put yourself in their shoes. What else could they have done?

[jpark]

I understand that you were obviously frustrated, but as others have pointed out....it was your fault your night was ruined. This did not need to be a huge issue and I think you are blowing it a little out of proportion. To be honest, I can not really see these officers "shouting in your face" unless you were not listening to them.

As someone else pointed out, you could have explained the situation and if you did not get the answer you wanted, you could have continued about your business and disputed the ticket this week.

Furthermore, you could and SHOULD have exited the train at the next stop to purchase a ticket. I doubt the guy you talked to at the station intended for you to ride the rest of the night for free because one station was down....come on, dude.

Calm down and step back from the situation...put yourself in their shoes. What else could they have done?

When i was told by the police that the machines were fine, i was starting to think the out of order stickers were a prank by some kids. Which means.... if i dispute the ticket in court, there will be no records of the machines being down at lougheed station, and therefore we will be called liers and pay for the ticket.

We went back, to take pictures of the out of order stickers for evidence. It was a confusing situational problem

[murd0c]

next time take a picture with your phone for a back up.

[dinosaur]

next time take a picture with your phone for a back up.

Out of anything in this thread, I think this is the best advice we can all take.



jpark, this situation would not have happened at all if you had just bought your ticket at the next station...this is where, I think, you have lost the support of fellow RSers. Where the "out of order" was legit, a joke, an old sticker, only on one machine, etc...you can not ride the skytrain for free. End of story.

[punkwax]

You also chose to go back to Lougheed rather than hit the club so I wouldn't say they ruined your night. Also, going back saved you the fine. IMO it was time well spent. :thumbsup:

club tickets :fuckthatshit:

[bcrdukes]

The guy shared a story and everyone is ragging on him.

Jesus fucking Christ.

I'm going to ride my bike and post a thread on it and see how much all you egg beaters like it.

[Harvey Specter]

Lol, dude posted his rant and he gets ragged on. Gotta love RS.

[Spidey]

ranting is one thing, but how he pointed fingers is another

[punkwax]

Easy there White Knights.

He posted a rant and people are pointing out that it's kind of his fault. If people didn't point that out, he would continue to tell his story thinking he was in the right. Now imagine he's telling his super cool story to this smoking hot chick who wants to suck his D. Suddenly, she's thinking, "wait a minute, this guy was in the wrong and here he is ranting. I'm gonna go suck on some other dude's D."

IMO, we're doing him a service. :fullofwin:

[inv4zn]

All things being said, major respect for planning ahead to not drink/drive.

Hopefully this incident doesn't make you choose otherwise next time.

[winson604]

So you would be happy in this situation?
what about the time they wasted for me and my buddy? what about the club tickets that were wasted because we wouldn't go? was i expecting them to bow down? no. All i wanted was a simple apology for wasting my night. which didnt happen.

I think this is more true.

[BrRsn]

Guys I think the real question behind this thread is why did honda stop making a lightweight, high revving, well handling, RWD roadster?

Is this a sign that we all, as drivers, are moving towards cars that are more like appliances than machines that invoke emotion?

A question to ponder on the porcelain throne next time

[Gridlock]

Easy there White Knights.

He posted a rant and people are pointing out that it's kind of his fault. If people didn't point that out, he would continue to tell his story thinking he was in the right. Now imagine he's telling his super cool story to this smoking hot chick who wants to suck his D. Suddenly, she's thinking, "wait a minute, this guy was in the wrong and here he is ranting. I'm gonna go suck on some other dude's D."

IMO, we're doing him a service. :fullofwin:

Wow. Managed to find the only two cops in Vancouver with an attitude.

Shocker.

[!SG]

turn on time stamp or dating on phone cam.

take picture of machine with "out of service" sign w/ time and date stamp

may or may not have helped, but at least you have some evidence for disputing, if you didnt happen to have the luck of running into them again.

[FARMER]

From reading the OP's testimony, the cops were going by the book and the OP and his friend really should have used their head and got off the next station and purchased a ticket. I have no idea why you think you deserve to ride for free just because the machines were down.

With that said, I do think transit cops really do have an attitude problem. It's almost as if the transit authority gives preferential treatment to "cops" (reall glorified security guards) that are the biggest assholes.

[meme405]

I bet most of you guys wouldn't have remembered to take a picture either...

Also, he could have just requested that they go back and look at the CCTV footage and look at when they come into the station. There are camera's pointed directly at the machines...

Also I bet most people who are saying get off at the next station wouldn't have gotten off and purchased tickets either. If transit can't keep their shit together and have atleast one fuctioning machine at each station when I go to pay, I do not believe it is my responsibility to help them out. JPark had a valid reason and story, and he was obviously in the right otherwise the tickets would not have been cancelled and the officers would have said the same thing "why didnt you get off at the next station and buy your ticket?". Or maybe that idiot transit employee should have been a bit more useful than a sack of potatoes and told Jpark and his friend the same thing.

If this hadnt been the skytrain and it was a bus what would have happened, well I can tell you right away, when the machine doesnt work on a bus the bus is free. I have seen that scenario countless times...


They did the right thing once you were able to proof your innocence

You do realize that our justice system works on the basis of "Innocent until proven guilty" , not the other way around. You must be french....

[twitchyzero]

i came in this thread expecting OP to whine about getting ticketed for fare evasion and didn't cut him some slack because the canucks won last night :troll:

[rsx]

One thing to learn in life, in work, and in play...CYA. cover your ass. Tough break. And kudos for taking the train instead of driving for a planned night of drinking.

[Vulture]

He took the train cuz they were going drinking and obviously nobody wanted to be a DD. And I've also been told by transit police to just hop on when the machine was broken. Its not about the cops 'doing their job', its about their attitude and giving out misinformation. why is it always the same losers on this forum who rag on people.

For the retards who say it wouldnt have happened if he stopped off at the next station to buy the ticket: what if there were transit cops at the next station? he STILL would have been ticketed.

[Gridlock]

He took the train cuz they were going drinking and obviously nobody wanted to be a DD. And I've also been told by transit police to just hop on when the machine was broken. Its not about the cops 'doing their job', its about their attitude and giving out misinformation. why is it always the same losers on this forum who rag on people.

For the retards who say it wouldnt have happened if he stopped off at the next station to buy the ticket: what if there were transit cops at the next station? he STILL would have been ticketed.

Most likely you are an old member under a new name, but what a bold move calling people retards on your 19th post.

[bcrdukes]

lol retards

[RecklessNS]

I bet most of you guys wouldn't have remembered to take a picture either...

Also, he could have just requested that they go back and look at the CCTV footage and look at when they come into the station. There are camera's pointed directly at the machines...

Also I bet most people who are saying get off at the next station wouldn't have gotten off and purchased tickets either. If transit can't keep their shit together and have atleast one fuctioning machine at each station when I go to pay, I do not believe it is my responsibility to help them out. JPark had a valid reason and story, and he was obviously in the right otherwise the tickets would not have been cancelled and the officers would have said the same thing "why didnt you get off at the next station and buy your ticket?". Or maybe that idiot transit employee should have been a bit more useful than a sack of potatoes and told Jpark and his friend the same thing.

If this hadnt been the skytrain and it was a bus what would have happened, well I can tell you right away, when the machine doesnt work on a bus the bus is free. I have seen that scenario countless times...




You do realize that our justice system works on the basis of "Innocent until proven guilty" , not the other way around. You must be french....

Or instead of looking back at the footage and wasting everybody's time, they could've asked the Dispatcher if there were any maintenance calls/repairs earlier that day.

Out of the few times I've taken public transit to head to dt, I have not once experienced a ticket check. With that being said, I've experienced attitude when asking for directions. I just let that kind of shit go by me when that happens and realize they deal with all kinds of shit everyday, and my dislike towards translink will always remain the same.

In situation's like this, just work with them in order to help yourself out even if they don't give you a swell time.

[GS8]

He took the train cuz they were going drinking and obviously nobody wanted to be a DD. And I've also been told by transit police to just hop on when the machine was broken. Its not about the cops 'doing their job', its about their attitude and giving out misinformation. why is it always the same losers on this forum who rag on people.

For the retards who say it wouldnt have happened if he stopped off at the next station to buy the ticket: what if there were transit cops at the next station? he STILL would have been ticketed.

Your post : failed post ratio broke my screen.

[meme405]

Or instead of looking back at the footage and wasting everybody's time, they could've asked the Dispatcher if there were any maintenance calls/repairs earlier that day.


Well my idea was more in the case that some stupid little punk ran up to all the machines and threw up a out of service sign just to fuck with people.

But yes, maintenance logs would also work...

Just seems to me like JPark is not totally out of line here, I mean the officers should have done a little better job investigating, or else maybe the lazy fuck on the end of the phone who they called should probably be staying on top of that shit... Either way, had this gone to a dispute in no scenario is there a way JPark doesnt get that ticket revoked. The only problem here is the wasted time and effort.

[dvst8]

Transit workers gives the OK to ride 'free'... No, Im baller and pay for it at the next stop. :fuckyea:

[AzNightmare]

Did the first group of transit workers say you can ride for free? or ride to the next station for free? It makes a big difference.

Although given that the transit cops cancelled your ticket, it's as if "ride for free" was the benefit you were given,
or the cops were just being nice to not ticket you for the other stations you passed when you could have purchased a ticket.

[falcon]

FYI, it's your responsibility to get off at the next stop and buy your ticket. Given that you were checked later on in the trip you deserved those tickets.

[Noir]

Uuhhhhh, the transit police voided the ticket when they received confirmation that the ticket machine was out of order.


Basically, the OP is complaining that he did not get his apology and is claiming the Transit Police gave him attitude.


Oh the humanity :rolleyes:

[parm104]

I'm sure glad we have a bunch of honest-abes in this forum. I'll sleep a little better tonight knowing the city won't have people taking free-rides even after they were given the go-ahead to do so by the very authority that tickets fare-evaders.

To be honest, the idea of stopping at the next station, getting out of the train, going downstairs to get a ticket for the rest of the trip, didn't even come to my mind until someone mentioned it here. What indication did JPark have that would make him believe that he needed to get off at the next station and still purchase a ticket for the rest of the trip. Based on his story, he was advised to not worry about the ticket and to just hop on the train by transit authority.

The idea of people paying for something at the next viable chance when they've already been given a free pass is absurd. This isn't like you're paying your friend back who spotted you for a movie...we're talking about paying a fare to ride public transportation.

Sure, OP's thread may be an over-reaction to a situation since his ticket was voided but to suggest that anybody would've gotten off at the next station to pay for the fare is ridiculous.

Transit police are on scene to ensure they catch fare-evaders and to maintain an efficient transit system. If they required OP to purchase a ticket at the next station, they should have instructed him to do so than simply saying "dont worry and proceed." A "we'll let you get on the train now but it's your responsibility to purchase a ticket at the next stop" would've been the appropriate thing to do for the original transit officer. The system was down at no fault of his own and OP was given the impression, as any reasonable person would've been given, that he was given a pass because there was no way of him purchasing a ticket at that station. It's simple. Perhaps some of you are frequent-public-transit users and from experience have realized that you need to purchase a ticket at the next stop; but the average person would've conducted themselves in the same manner as OP (besides creating this thread.)

[Spidey]

I'm sure glad we have a bunch of honest-abes in this forum. I'll sleep a little better tonight knowing the city won't have people taking free-rides even after they were given the go-ahead to do so by the very authority that tickets fare-evaders.

To be honest, the idea of stopping at the next station, getting out of the train, going downstairs to get a ticket for the rest of the trip, didn't even come to my mind until someone mentioned it here. What indication did JPark have that would make him believe that he needed to get off at the next station and still purchase a ticket for the rest of the trip. Based on his story, he was advised to not worry about the ticket and to just hop on the train by transit authority.

The idea of people paying for something at the next viable chance when they've already been given a free pass is absurd. This isn't like you're paying your friend back who spotted you for a movie...we're talking about paying a fare to ride public transportation.

Sure, OP's thread may be an over-reaction to a situation since his ticket was voided but to suggest that anybody would've gotten off at the next station to pay for the fare is ridiculous.

Transit police are on scene to ensure they catch fare-evaders and to maintain an efficient transit system. If they required OP to purchase a ticket at the next station, they should have instructed him to do so than simply saying "dont worry and proceed." A "we'll let you get on the train now but it's your responsibility to purchase a ticket at the next stop" would've been the appropriate thing to do for the original transit officer. The system was down at no fault of his own and OP was given the impression, as any reasonable person would've been given, that he was given a pass because there was no way of him purchasing a ticket at that station. It's simple. Perhaps some of you are frequent-public-transit users and from experience have realized that you need to purchase a ticket at the next stop; but the average person would've conducted themselves in the same manner as OP (besides creating this thread.)

that's if the officer believed OP, which they didn't, and i don't blame them because I am sure that excuse has been used 10000 times. On top of their dispatch advising them there were no machines out of order at their respective boarding. If the machine was down, and confirmed on scene, then yes, the officer should technically let OP ride and tell them to purchase a ticket at the next stop.

[Ikkaku]

Last time there was a broken machine or simply the station had too many people, they told us to just buy a ticket when we get off. Maybe it has been too long since I've used transit, but never once was I instructed to purchase one at the next stop.

Was it written anywhere to do so, or is this just one of those 'oh you're stupid because you couldn't think of it' type deal? Although I can see where both parties are coming from, this is just a unfortunate series of events.

[twitchyzero]

ive seen transit police argue with some girl saying bus driver told her she didn't have to worry about the bus fare but strolled into the skytrain without paying for the fare and got caught

better safe than sorry...not saying I wouldn't have done anything different than OP but if you wanna gamble then when you get caught you cant make a big deal out of it

[parm104]

If they required OP to purchase a ticket at the next station, they should have instructed him to do so than simply saying "dont worry and proceed."


A "we'll let you get on the train now but it's your responsibility to purchase a ticket at the next stop" would've been the appropriate thing to do for the original transit officer.

that's if the officer believed OP, which they didn't, and i don't blame them because I am sure that excuse has been used 10000 times. On top of their dispatch advising them there were no machines out of order at their respective boarding. If the machine was down, and confirmed on scene, then yes, the officer should technically let OP ride and tell them to purchase a ticket at the next stop.

Spidey...the logical assumption would've been that I was referring to the FIRST transit officer that told him to not worry about it...Your notion of whether the officers believed JPark's story is irrelevant because I don't contest the idea of ticketing a fare-evader. I do however, as mentioned above, contest the notion that the original transit officer thought it was okay to give him a pass and not instruct him to purchase a ticket at the next station.

Without stretching this too far, the first transit officer's actions could almost fit the idea of entrapment. He induced JPark to get on the train and not worry about the ticket. He was in a position of authority and a reasonable person would've presumed that with his transit authority, he was given good advice to help both the transit system and the passenger.

[Eff-1]

that's if the officer believed OP, which they didn't, and i don't blame them because I am sure that excuse has been used 10000 times. On top of their dispatch advising them there were no machines out of order at their respective boarding.

Fair enough. But the officer should have then ackknowledeged they errored by apologizing to the OP for not believing him earlier when he was clearly telling the truth. Cancelling the ticket is the LEAST they could have done. A simple "you were right, we were wrong" or dare I say "we're sorry for the inconvenience" and this thread would have never appeared.

[trancehead]

this problem is a result of a system (both technical and personel) breakdown and failure.

a public system should be more resilient to bullshit like this, so we dont have these instances occurring. transportation is the backbone of any economy, so its damn important. it should be acted on and continually improved based on feedback like this.

As for the cops, yeah they probably seen enough bullshit to not give a flying fuck really anymore. Given with the amount of scumbags they deal with, its understandable.

anyways, dont feel too bad jPark. this is just another bullshit issue with vancouver
bikelanes, expensive artwork, liquor laws(at all fucking levels). whatever man. these are issues that a city which has been on the international stage many times definitely needs to overcome

you did your own detective work which was good. and u got out of the ticket. its all good man

[Eff-1]

Anyone who says OP should have disputed the ticket through the usual channels has clearly never done that before. The chances of dismissal are almost always zero. It's a written dispute through an arbitrator. All they look at is either:

You had proof of payment or you didn't.
The ticket was filled out incorrectly

Best thing OP did was return back to the original station to try and find proof. Hence why his night was wrecked and I'd be upset too.

Only thing different I would have done is when the staff member originally said I could go ahead without paying, I would have asked them right there "ok but what happens if I get checked for a fare payment later on". The answer would have prevented this whole thing most likely.

[meme405]

Anyone who says OP should have disputed the ticket through the usual channels has clearly never done that before. The chances of dismissal are almost always zero. It's a written dispute through an arbitrator. All they look at is either:

You had proof of payment or you didn't.
The ticket was filled out incorrectly

Best thing OP did was return back to the original station to try and find proof. Hence why his night was wrecked and I'd be upset too.

Only thing different I would have done is when the staff member originally said I could go ahead without paying, I would have asked them right there "ok but what happens if I get checked for a fare payment later on". The answer would have prevented this whole thing most likely.

Your right, I havnt been through the system for this matter, and I can imagine how terrible it could be.

And thats the problem, any reasonable person could determine what JPark is saying is the truth a 100 different ways. But instead they focus on irrelevant bullshit when this gets disputed.

Either way it comes down to this:

Translink can complain about the fare-evaders and all that BS until the cows come home, but realistically if they can't keep at least one damn machine functioning at each station that's their damn problem.

[StylinRed]

Transit police are on scene to ensure they catch fare-evaders and to maintain an efficient transit system. If they required OP to purchase a ticket at the next station, they should have instructed him to do so than simply saying "dont worry and proceed." A "we'll let you get on the train now but it's your responsibility to purchase a ticket at the next stop" would've been the appropriate thing to do for the original transit officer. The system was down at no fault of his own and OP was given the impression, as any reasonable person would've been given, that he was given a pass because there was no way of him purchasing a ticket at that station. It's simple.

To be fair to those who first suggested stopping at the next stop and picking up a ticket, those posters didn't know that jpark was given the okay to ride the train, that point wasn't in the op. it was edited for clarity im assuming by jpark later on (he didn't originally make that point until a few comments down)

[parm104]

To be fair to those who first suggested stopping at the next stop and picking up a ticket, those posters didn't know that jpark was given the okay to ride the train, that point wasn't in the op. it was edited for clarity im assuming by jpark later on (he didn't originally make that point until a few comments down)

Thanks for getting me up to speed. I didn't realize that. I assumed that their responses had taken into consideration that he was given a free ride.

[SoNaRWaVe]

There was not much we could do, so we decided to just hop on to the skytrain (we asked one of the transit workers there, he told us to dont worry and proceed)


for everybody's info, if this ever happens again, tell them to write you a "fare" before you hop on board. i mean if its ok anyways, i don't see why they wouldn't write one up for you. and to all those that thinks its ok and should buy one at the end at wherever you're stopping, do yourself a favor and just buy it at the next stop. it would really save you a world of trouble. i mean, who in the right mind would buy a ticket at their stop when they already rode the system and haven't got caught.

the odds are, if you get caught within one stop, its faster to go back and check. the techs that fixes these machines aren't that fast ;)

[Spidey]

Spidey...the logical assumption would've been that I was referring to the FIRST transit officer that told him to not worry about it...Your notion of whether the officers believed JPark's story is irrelevant because I don't contest the idea of ticketing a fare-evader. I do however, as mentioned above, contest the notion that the original transit officer thought it was okay to give him a pass and not instruct him to purchase a ticket at the next station.

Without stretching this too far, the first transit officer's actions could almost fit the idea of entrapment. He induced JPark to get on the train and not worry about the ticket. He was in a position of authority and a reasonable person would've presumed that with his transit authority, he was given good advice to help both the transit system and the passenger.

the first employee OP ran into was the transit security/worker, not a Transit Police officer. But I am still questioning whether or if at all anyone else got caught along with OP, who obviously had issues buying tickets if the machines were broken.....

[Anjew]

The real issue is Translink. How the hell could they let it get to the point that ALL the machines at a station go down at once?

I had to wake up early on my day off last week to drive my wife to work because the skytrain broke down again. f translink.

[dinosaur]

There are flaws with any system...but overall, they are few and far between and usually handled swiftly.


I was on my way to SFU once and my purse was stolen when switching at Columbia (along with my U-Pass). I was writing a final, so I needed to keep going. At Braid we ticked checked and asked to get off the train...I explained everything, but still was issued a ticket. The officer said that once I had "proof" my purse was stolen, the ticket would be waive. I did just that.

Some times, if you have an honest and legitimate story to go along with why you don't have a ticket, it is better to contest it rather than fight with the officer on site.

[dlo]

Man fucc da polec


Jokes aside, eh.. It happens, buy a tix next stop just to be safe
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[Gridlock]

Man fucc da polec


Jokes aside, eh.. It happens, buy a tix next stop just to be safe
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OR

when you see da police(when you are riding without a ticket), get the fuck off da train(and hop on the next one without constabulary)!

[CRS]

There are flaws with any system...but overall, they are few and far between and usually handled swiftly.


I was on my way to SFU once and my purse was stolen when switching at Columbia (along with my U-Pass). I was writing a final, so I needed to keep going. At Braid we ticked checked and asked to get off the train...I explained everything, but still was issued a ticket. The officer said that once I had "proof" my purse was stolen, the ticket would be waive. I did just that.

Some times, if you have an honest and legitimate story to go along with why you don't have a ticket, it is better to contest it rather than fight with the officer on site.

Best advice of this thread.

Why fight the officer on their playground where they are king? If you're looking to fight it, you may as well do it on your accord in court. Sure it may take up more time but it's the only venue where you're not guaranteed to lose.

[GLOW]

OR

when you see da police(when you are riding without a ticket), get the fuck off da train(and hop on the next one without constabulary)!

an old coworker did this before...we're by the door and i'm leaning against the window talking to him all casually...he's looking all nervous looking over my shoulder and i'm wondering wtf is he looking at...when the transit guys walk in to the door as they're closing on the other side of the train he narrowly slips through the doors we're by just as they're closing in mid conversation...i stare at him as the train's leaving like WTF just happened...next day he tells me he didn't pay for fare :lawl:

[GLOW]

oh i forgot to mention that he caught the next train...and the transit police had gotten off on the next stop and got back on his train and talked to him :lawl:

he talked himself out of the ticket though...it helps when you have an aussie accent and you're a "visitor" and got "lost & confused" with the transit system :lol

[falcon]

I'm sure glad we have a bunch of honest-abes in this forum. I'll sleep a little better tonight knowing the city won't have people taking free-rides even after they were given the go-ahead to do so by the very authority that tickets fare-evaders.
........................

The idea of people paying for something at the next viable chance when they've already been given a free pass is absurd.

I always pay for my tickets

...............


And it's not that they got a "free pass" they got the OK to go to the next stop to buy a ticket. I know people who have had this problem before and the transit cops said it's your responsibility to get off and buy a ticket at the next stop. You are never given the ok to ride free for the entire length.

[jpark]

I always pay for my tickets

...............


And it's not that they got a "free pass" they got the OK to go to the next stop to buy a ticket. I know people who have had this problem before and the transit cops said it's your responsibility to get off and buy a ticket at the next stop. You are never given the ok to ride free for the entire length.

ok, so why was my ticket voided than? if that was the real reason, they could have made that as an excuse prior to voiding my ticket. I know i am certainly lucky for getting off with a voided ticket, but i don't think that is the legal case here. It is not written under any rules, i don't see it written or stated anywhere, it just rises from what people think is the morally right thing to do. But legality wise, my ticket was voided so i personally don't think i did anything wrong. w.e I'm done. im glad i opened up a somewhat hot debate to detect some real moral citizens on revscene! police are always right, make sure you report yourselves too if you go past 5km/h over the speed limit as well!

[Vale46Rossi]

Transit system here is a joke, I still can't believe its 2013 and we still don't have fare gates... FFS all this shit would not happen and we don't have to pay so much money to useless officers standing around at the skytrain station for checking tickets.

[falcon]

^^ Prob because you were being a tool about it.

[Hondaracer]

All the major metros in Paris, London etc still have people hovering around the gates, they aren't some sort of super automated system people expect here..
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[GLOW]

im glad i opened up a somewhat hot debate to detect some real moral citizens on revscene! police are always right, make sure you report yourselves too if you go past 5km/h over the speed limit as well!

can't help noticing while i read this your user title reads as:

jpark
RS has made me the bitter person i am today!

on a serious note at least you were able to get it cancelled when it was a misunderstanding.

[westopher]

I always pay for my tickets

...............


And it's not that they got a "free pass" they got the OK to go to the next stop to buy a ticket. I know people who have had this problem before and the transit cops said it's your responsibility to get off and buy a ticket at the next stop. You are never given the ok to ride free for the entire length.
Thats not true.
The last time the machine was broken on main street, the attendant said. Don't worry about it, and wrote me a free fare from his book. It happens all the time, just make sure you have written proof. That being said, if the attendant said, "don't worry about it" without alluding to the idea of buying one next stop its absolutely fucking retarded to think the average person would think to get off and buy a ticket and get back on.

[bcrdukes]

hahaha free lunch

yeah right

[jpark]

^^ Prob because you were being a tool about it.

Yes, because trying to fight for a ticket that i didn't deserve and in the end which the ticket did get voided because i had a reasonable cause was certainly being a "tool about it" right?

[GG]

fuck translink


overpriced shitty ass system

bus is either late, or doesn come. WTF?
zone system is fucking retarded, metro to Royal oak costs one zone? pfff
skytrain breaks down on a monthly basis

lack of skytrain cart, a mixture of 90s,2000 and current model which makes translink look like shit. Im sure we pay enough taxes to cover the ground and get rid of those ghetto cart


:ilied:

thx god i dont take that bullshit no more

[parm104]

hahaha free lunch

yeah right

Yea? Then how did I get Chiptole for free a few hours ago!? With a drink and chips...riddle me that!

[Eff-1]

There are flaws with any system...but overall, they are few and far between and usually handled swiftly.


I was on my way to SFU once and my purse was stolen when switching at Columbia (along with my U-Pass). I was writing a final, so I needed to keep going. At Braid we ticked checked and asked to get off the train...I explained everything, but still was issued a ticket. The officer said that once I had "proof" my purse was stolen, the ticket would be waive. I did just that.

Some times, if you have an honest and legitimate story to go along with why you don't have a ticket, it is better to contest it rather than fight with the officer on site.

how long ago was that? did your dispute get handled by the old system (provincial court) or the current system (translink arbitrator)?

[Lomac]

fuck translink


overpriced shitty ass system

bus is either late, or doesn come. WTF?
zone system is fucking retarded, metro to Royal oak costs one zone? pfff
skytrain breaks down on a monthly basis

lack of skytrain cart, a mixture of 90s,2000 and current model which makes translink look like shit. Im sure we pay enough taxes to cover the ground and get rid of those ghetto cart


:ilied:

thx god i dont take that bullshit no more

:lol

Try using transit in Kelowna, Kamloops or Salmon Arm. I'll guarantee you'll worship the ground every Translink official walks on after trying to use one of these systems.

[parm104]

:lol

Try using transit in Kelowna, Kamloops or Salmon Arm. I'll guarantee you'll worship the ground every Translink official walks on after trying to use one of these systems.

LOL such an absurd comparison. That's like me saying try getting around on a rickshaw in India, you'll never complain about the Transit system in the Lower Mainland ever again.

[Lomac]

LOL such an absurd comparison. That's like me saying try getting around on a rickshaw in India, you'll never complain about the Transit system in the Lower Mainland ever again.

:lol I know.

The fact is that Translink really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. The two most common complaints are that there's either not enough buses or that we pay too much already when they're asking for more money to expand services.

Can't have one without the other.

I've used Translink's transit services for many years, usually during rush hour, and I've only had to wait for a bus that wasn't full maybe half a dozen times. Considering that was on Commercial Drive, it wasn't too surprising.

[melloman]

:lol

Try using transit in Kelowna, Kamloops or Salmon Arm. I'll guarantee you'll worship the ground every Translink official walks on after trying to use one of these systems.

Lol that's like comparing Kelowna, Kamloops, Salmon Arm transit with a bus in Fort Nelson. :pokerface:

[Gridlock]

All the major metros in Paris, London etc still have people hovering around the gates, they aren't some sort of super automated system people expect here..
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Truth, right?

The cadillac of systems, that works one hundred percent of the time.

Oh...for free.

[dinosaur]

how long ago was that? did your dispute get handled by the old system (provincial court) or the current system (translink arbitrator)?

Tbh, I barely remember....I am showing my age here, but it was almost 10 years ago so it was the old system. I remember having to provide my police incident report and my affidavits for my stolen (and used) credit cards.

[Hondaracer]

what happened to no ID, giving fake name

[Phil@rise]

So it appears theres alot of judgypants bitches here failing away expecting you to jump on the train then get off at the next stop run down the platform thru a fare payed zone where you can still get stopped and ticketed for non payment then pay for a ticket cus its the right thing to do then run back up the platform and stand and wait for the next train clock still tickin away on your night then get back on the train and proceed with your night.
Thats stupid, the machine was out of order you were told to carry on dont worry about it and then when confronted about it by the transit hogs they were to lazy to do a simple follow up that they are payed to do.
Lesson learned tho, that sucks, take pics next time cus the lawman isnt here to protect you just find ways to tax you and more shitty is the number of people that think thats ok.

[Happy]

So it appears theres alot of judgypants bitches here failing away expecting you to jump on the train then get off at the next stop run down the platform thru a fare payed zone where you can still get stopped and ticketed for non payment then pay for a ticket cus its the right thing to do then run back up the platform and stand and wait for the next train clock still tickin away on your night then get back on the train and proceed with your night.



i'll give $5 bucks to anyone who can read this sentence without taking a breath

[dinosaur]

i'll give $5 bucks to anyone who can read this sentence without taking a breath

:lawl: dude...literal lols.

[Spidey]

what happened to no ID, giving fake name

try it. also risk an obstruct peace officer CRIMINAL charge over a fucking 3 dollar fare

[Phil@rise]

i'll give $5 bucks to anyone who can read this sentence without taking a breath

hahaha.... Pay me bitch lol!

[Hondaracer]

try it. also risk an obstruct peace officer CRIMINAL charge over a fucking 3 dollar fare

They can't search your person over a $3 ticket offense

Give them a skewed name with a known address, you moved there last month haven't updated info

How they gonna get you?
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[Spidey]

They can't search your person over a $3 ticket offense

Give them a skewed name with a known address, you moved there last month haven't updated info

How they gonna get you?
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without proper id, you cannot prove who you are. they can detain you until they are satisfied with your ID. And when they find out you gave them a bs name you will be lucky all you end up with is a VT for fare evasion. No normal person leaves all id/wallet at home. That combined with not paying for a fare is grounds to detain you. Don't forget, they are paid to be there. It's your time you are wasting.

[parm104]

They can't search your person over a $3 ticket offense

Give them a skewed name with a known address, you moved there last month haven't updated info

How they gonna get you?
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I don't see how searching your person comes into play here...

If the peace officer is writing you up for an offence and you fail to provide an ID and they require it to write up the ticket, then you can be charged with obstruction because you're hindering the officer's ability to perform his duties.

[dangonay]

I've encountered machines not working countless times on Skytrain (I commute to work). I don't ever recall a transit officer saying I could ride for free, but I have been told several times to get a ticket at the next stop. I stopped asking anymore since it's something I just expect to do. The only time I remember being told to ride all the way is when there was a system-wide debit/credit card failure and machines took cash only.

And why complain about the time it takes to get off the train to get a ticket? It literally only takes a minute and by the time you get back up the next train is probably just pulling in. Even on the Millenium Line (down Lougheed) the worst case wait between trains is only 6 minutes. That's too much of an inconvenience?

I'd bet $$$ that if you had the bad luck of running into transit police at the next stop and told them the previous stop machines were broken they wouldn't have said a damn thing. As soon as they catch you several stops away they're going to have a different attitude.

[donjalapeno]

backfire is a bitch aint it.

[CharlieH]

OP's high thank/fail ratio is slowly dwindling away :wiggle: