[acurael]

Hey guys,

Looking at a 2014 mercedes c300 4matic with sport pkg, bixenon headlights, and parking assist. What is a normal discount that can be given on this car? Cost is about 44,000 (before tax/freight/fees) and i may be able to get 3500 off that price. Seem like a good deal? Or do you think its possible to get more of a discount?

Any help appreciated.
thanks

[00civicHB]

The new c class will be coming next year, can you wait?

[acurael]

no unfortunately we cannot (as far as I can tell the 2015 is not looking great from the spy shots).....another possibility is bmw 328 x drive

[bicboi]

http://strumors.automobilemag.com/files/2013/05/2015-Mercedes-Benz-C-Class-sedan-front-three-quarter-1.jpg

I would really wait if you can...

[ilvtofu]

Hey guys,

Looking at a 2014 mercedes c300 4matic with sport pkg, bixenon headlights, and parking assist. What is a normal discount that can be given on this car? Cost is about 44,000 (before tax/freight/fees) and i may be able to get 3500 off that price. Seem like a good deal? Or do you think its possible to get more of a discount?

Any help appreciated.
thanks

If you can get 3500 off that it's a pretty good deal. If you're looking to buy outright you won't get that kind of value with the BMW, if you're leasing the BMW is worth looking into.

$44k is right up there with the all new Infiniti Q50 Premium and the Lexus IS350 AWD Premium is a little bit more but might be worthwhile.

[wonton1017]

IMO buying a NEW car right before it gets facelifted or replaced is a horrible idea for many reasons... car will look dated after 1-2 years, resale value drops, won't have new tech and etc.

Get the bmw f30, it will only get slightly facelifted at most rather than getting replaced by a whole new generation. The 328xi is also fking fast.

[!SG]

ask if there is an avantgarde package. the c204 class is in its final year

[Harvey Specter]

IMO buying a NEW car right before it gets facelifted or replaced is a horrible idea for many reasons... car will look dated after 1-2 years, resale value drops, won't have new tech and etc.

Get the bmw f30, it will only get slightly facelifted at most rather than getting replaced by a whole new generation. The 328xi is also fking fast.

+1

And don't forget the depreciation on the older models when the new model is released. I would also recommend going with the 3 series, it is due for a LCI but the changes will be minor.

[dared3vil0]

Don't do it. The 2015 C-class is looking stunning. See above picture.

[Marshall Placid]

Personal opinion, wait for the new one, next-gen.

If you are really want the current gen, 2014 C300, buy a used 2013 or earlier one to save some money.

Have you researched the difference(s) between 2014, 2013, 2012, etc.?

If there are very little differences, why not a used 2013 or earlier?

[Hehe]

I wouldn't bother with 2014 models considering 2015 is the next big update.

I didn't check, but I doubt there's much difference between the MY2013 vs MY2014. If you can find a MY2013 that fits you, try to bargain hard... the dealer might be desperate to clear them out as MY2014 become more and more available.

[yray]

German cars ... lease that bish :fuckthatshit:

[death_blossom]

I sat in a C300 before. I wasn't impressed with its interior. lots of plastic and dated interior.

I would suggest a new 328i as well. or maybe head to the Lexus dealership and check out the new IS250/350. they are great cars from what I hear.

[donjalapeno]

fuck benz and bmw

get a new A4. Looks the best, performs the best, fuel econ is best and quattro

[is350]

Everyone on road drives a 328i, I don't get the point that everyone is recommending 328i. Enough of them already. Buy something that you like and will enjoy the most.

[bcrdukes]

I'd pass on the C300. Cousin has one and it's a bit of a snore overall. If you absolutely have to have one, wait for the 2015 model. death_blossom pretty much nailed it in the head.

And if for whatever reason you do decide to go the Audi route - please lease it. :fuckthatshit:

[dared3vil0]

fuck benz and bmw

get a new A4. Looks the best, performs the best, fuel econ is best and quattro

Best performance? The 2013 A4 had a grand total of 208hp... The 2014 has 220. These things weigh 3700lbs. They are very slow. Hell, A few minivans are faster off the line...

[Harvey Specter]

And also the 2.0T has oil burning issue. My A5 needs a top up every month.

[Lomac]

Best performance? The 2013 A4 had a grand total of 208hp... The 2014 has 220. These things weigh 3700lbs. They are very slow. Hell, A few minivans are faster off the line...

Performance isn't all about HP numbers. Just look at the NA Miata.


That said, if a new model is just around the corner, dealerships may be more willing to negotiate just to clear the old models off the lot. No harm in asking what sort of deal can be done.

[Purely]

fuck benz and bmw

get a new A4. Looks the best, performs the best, fuel econ is best and quattro

Everyone on road drives a 328i, I don't get the point that everyone is recommending 328i. Enough of them already. Buy something that you like and will enjoy the most.

Having sat in the new 328is, I have to say I'm impressed. Good performance, AMAZING gas mileage, and the price tag isn't too bad for what you get.

[donjalapeno]

Best performance? The 2013 A4 had a grand total of 208hp... The 2014 has 220. These things weigh 3700lbs. They are very slow. Hell, A few minivans are faster off the line...

The beamer and benz are pigs. The a4 is lighter more torquey and more of a pleasure to drive. Mostly because of how well quattro + DSG + TFSI engine work together.

[wonton1017]

Everyone has a F30 328xi because it actually looks pretty nice and the performance is almost as good as a 335i now.

[too_slow]

I'd wait for the 2015 on the interior alone:

http://cdn.performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2014-Mercedes-Benz-C-Class-dash.jpg

I honestly think Audi will be playing catch up with the interior for the first time. This + F30 kills it in terms of interior aesthetics

[Shorn]

fuck benz and bmw

get a new A4. Looks the best, performs the best, fuel econ is best and quattro

The beamer and benz are pigs. The a4 is lighter more torquey and more of a pleasure to drive. Mostly because of how well quattro + DSG + TFSI engine work together.

you're joking, right? a f30 328i would smoke an a4.
the f30 does 0-100 in 5.7-6.1 depending on transmission/xdrive or not..
a4 does it in 6.5-6.6.

have you even driven one? they actually feel very fast.

the a4 2.0t was built to be an economical engine, the f30 2.0t was built to replace an inline 6.

looks/interior is subjective. fuel economy is really not a big difference. and quattro is overrated. i'd much rather have rwd any day in vancouver.

[Marshall Placid]

I think that whenever a new gen model replaces the old gen, obviously, the newer gen will be better, faster, stronger (pardon the DP reference).

This applies to competing car brands.

Newer gen models of a particular brand will most likely best older gen models of different brands.

That is the point in out manoeuvring the competition, in order to sell more cars.

[wstce92]

The beamer and benz are pigs. The a4 is lighter more torquey and more of a pleasure to drive. Mostly because of how well quattro + DSG + TFSI engine work together.

Have you even driven a f30 328i?
I recommend you go test one with the sport package and 6spd.

A4 in any trim makes me fall asleep. I've driven them all. The most exciting is the S4 6spd, but it's still not as good to drive as a equivalent 335, so why bother.

Hell, even the f30 320i is better to drive than the A4

[Speed2K]

I sat in a C300 before. I wasn't impressed with its interior. lots of plastic and dated interior.

I would suggest a new 328i as well. or maybe head to the Lexus dealership and check out the new IS250/350. they are great cars from what I hear.

Did you sit in a pre-2011 model year? I agree that the interior in the pre-2011 looks real dated, 2011 & on wards is nicer by a lot!

[Eff-1]

I can understand why one might want to by a 2014 instead. You could argue the reliability of a final year production model will be better than the first year of a brand new production model. Not to mention if you wait until the 2015s start arriving on the lots, the dealers will be eager to negotiate a good deal on the 2014s.

Personally I wouldn't by a car in the last year of it's production before a new generation for the reasons already mentioned. But I'd never by the first year of a brand new production model either. Negotiating is difficult and reliability is always going to be a question mark.

[ntan]

OP, was the $3500 inclusive 3-payments waived factory incentive, or just the dealer discount?

[is350]

I think everyone wants a 328i because everyone else has a 328i (especially chinese family). They didn't buy it because it's sportier than the others, most of them bought it because magazines rate it the best in class and it's the most popular.

As for the pricing, I'm pretty sure a 328i will cost you a few more grands more than a MB, audi or all the Japanese brands.

Agreed with lomac on the HP thing. For everyday driving, from traffic light to traffic light, torque is more important, that's what get you off the line. For that, Audi has similar torque as the bimmer and MB.

how can you compare a 185 torque 320i compared to 247 torque in the audi a4?

[wstce92]

I think everyone wants a 328i because everyone else has a 328i (especially chinese family). They didn't buy it because it's sportier than the others, most of them bought it because magazines rate it the best in class and it's the most popular.

As for the pricing, I'm pretty sure a 328i will cost you a few more grands more than a MB, audi or all the Japanese brands.

Agreed with lomac on the HP thing. For everyday driving, from traffic light to traffic light, torque is more important, that's what get you off the line. For that, Audi has similar torque as the bimmer and MB.

how can you compare a 185 torque 320i compared to 247 torque in the audi a4?


The A4 realistically slots inbetween the 320i and 328i. It's faster than the 320i and slower than the 328i.
A4 is 1595kg for fwd and 1645kg for awd. 320i/328i is 1474kg/1524kg.

But I'm not saying which is faster than which, I'm not saying the 320i is faster than the A4. I'm saying I drove both, and the 320i was still fun while I was falling asleep in the A4.

And maybe everyone has a 328i and everyone recommends the 328i because it's the better car? Why would you avoid buying the better car just because everyone has it? Go buy a Pontiac Aztec, no one has that :rukidding:

[bcrdukes]

Go buy a Pontiac Aztec, no one has that :rukidding:

QFT

[Purely]

My friend was basically leadfooting it/pushing the 328i through curvy roads etc.. and the gas mileage was something like 10-11~L/100km at the end of the 1.5 hr cruise... Performance was definitely there as well. If stock isn't enough.. getting the 328i chipped is more than enough for DD

[is350]

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[acurael]

OP, was the $3500 inclusive 3-payments waived factory incentive, or just the dealer discount?

$3500 discount and 5 year term with 0.99% financing.
No mention of three payments waived, so i doubt it. I'm a repeat customer so I think he gave me a good deal for that reason.

[acurael]

Not a huge fan of the Audi A4 looks and I only like it with the S line package and that jacks up the price.

Originally looking at used C300 4matic (2012 or 2013) but not any available with lower kms and I need bi-xenon headlights.

Looking at around 40 grand range (before taxes) and that's why the salesman suggested 2014 since it is close to that range and we would get full warranty which is important with german cars.The 2015 does look nice but then I usually don't like getting a car in its first model year since there can be issues. We can't wait another year.

Also have looked at the infiniti Q50 but with everything in its close to 59 (only like the sport model with all the options). The Lexus IS 250 or 350 was another choice but its ugly and nice at the same time, so not sure.
Used IS350 AWD (2011-2012) would be great but impossible to find.

I will look into the BMW 328 x-drive a bit more. I hate the front of the car unless its sport package. Trying to keep price down also and it looks like the BMW is higher priced than the benz. I guess the BMW also includes 4 year maintenance at no cost.........

:suspicious: confused

[Shorn]

The 3 is so popular because it's good. Simple as that.. Why are there so many civics and Corollas? Cause they are good cars in their own right as well. A car being popular or not should not be a factor in deciding what car to buy..
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[Lomac]

Originally looking at used C300 4matic (2012 or 2013) but not any available with lower kms and I need bi-xenon headlights.


Just a suggestion but if you find a '12 or '13 with all the other specs you require but without bixenon lights, buy it and instead import some german E-Code lights (stamp E1) instead. Chances are even after having them shipped over, you'll be paying less than if the car came stock with DOT lights. Much better beam spread on the E1 lights vs what we get here.

Something to think about should bixenon's be a deal breaker.

[Lomac]

Everyone on road drives a 328i, I don't get the point that everyone is recommending 328i. Enough of them already. Buy something that you like and will enjoy the most.

Agree with the last sentence.

Completely disagree with the rest. Who cares if there's a million of them on the road? If you enjoy a car that you'll see ten of in the first block of your drive, so be it. Why do you think there are so many FRS/BRZ's and Mz3's on RS? Because people enjoy driving 'em.

[Marshall Placid]

Looking at around 40 grand range (before taxes) and that's why the salesman suggested 2014 since it is close to that range and we would get full warranty which is important with german cars.

Your $40k range, assuming the 2014 and 2015 pricing will stay the same, will buy you:

Mercedes-Benz Canada - Configurator - C-Class Sedan (http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/canada/mpc/mpc_canada_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/c-class/w204/configurator/configurator_w204.html?tp_ccci=/dsc_ca/globalsessionid/DSC_ca396432633B3A7C6DFF6B640301550300/dsc_locale/en_CA/appId/DSC_ca/siteLocale/en_CA/P3501ViewBean.jam1%3bjsessionid=0000Ir5WtP8WrBDdHX IZUx5agU0:16p745vrf)

Add in PDI, some options, and extras, and you are looking at low $50k's for a C250 or a C300.

And, that is before taxes.

If you factor in your discounts, this negates the taxes, so the TOTAL price will be the low $50ks, out of the $40k range.

Just some food for thought before you get pressured by the salesman to sign on the dotted line.

And, happy car hunting!

[Lomac]

Your $40k range, assuming the 2014 and 2015 pricing will stay the same, will buy you:

Mercedes-Benz Canada - Configurator - C-Class Sedan (http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/canada/mpc/mpc_canada_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/c-class/w204/configurator/configurator_w204.html?tp_ccci=/dsc_ca/globalsessionid/DSC_ca396432633B3A7C6DFF6B640301550300/dsc_locale/en_CA/appId/DSC_ca/siteLocale/en_CA/P3501ViewBean.jam1%3bjsessionid=0000Ir5WtP8WrBDdHX IZUx5agU0:16p745vrf)

Add in PDI, some options, and extras, and you are looking at low $50k's for a C250 or a C300.

And, that is before taxes.

If you factor in your discounts, this negates the taxes, so the TOTAL price will be the low $50ks, out of the $40k range.

Just some food for thought before you get pressured by the salesman to sign on the dotted line.

And, happy car hunting!

Starting at $42.5 for a C300 without bi-xenon? :eek:

[HonestTea]

I'd probably get a slightly used '13 model as well if you're completely set on the C-Class since I don't think theirs any changes on the '14 model and the '15 models are gonna be completely different.

[Marshall Placid]

OP, keep in mind with buying new, the "extra" options, costs, PDI, taxes, etc. usually increase your BASE price by about 20% to 30%.

[GS8]

Go buy a Pontiac G8, no one has that :rukidding:

Fixed that for you

[Timbits93]

Actually shopped for a vehicle in this class during the summer. And in fairness, the C300, A4, IS250 and 328i are all very good cars and are good at being what they are. It mostly comes down to personal preference.

Personally, I went with the 328i xDrive Sport Line. Not here to blend in with the sea of BMWs, but there were several reasons I went with one, coming from a G35.

- Looks: It's only an evolution of the E90, but it is definitely one of the fresher designs. It looks mature while not being too radical, which most of the vehicles in this segment try to do.

- Fuel Economy: While the price tag would suggest anyone driving one should be able to afford the gas for it, its just the sort of feeling you get when you find out you go to the pump less often - along with a smaller tank. It feels good that something producing such power averages around 10L/100km in the city.

- Performance: I did look at the numbers, while they played a slight factor in my decision, the 2.0L turbo has GOBS of power. One thing of consideration was the availability of torque over a wider band. The VQ35 felt like you needed to tap into it just slightly more, but with the N20 - it's available at levels as low as 1500rpm. If it weren't for its coarse sounding I4, you would think its one of BMW's I6 engines!

- Handling and Stability: As I actually was able to test drive the vehicle overnight AND it was pouring hard (Thank You Vancouver!), was able to test how it would handle both in the dry and the wet. And I was very pleased compared to the G35, which was RWD. The 328 seemed to be glued to the road in that weather. And for what it's worth, that was the selling point for me. xDrive may not be the best system in it's class, but it does the job and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

However, there are a few trade-offs with one. As such, the N20 is quite a coarse engine and the sound isn't too pleasant sometimes. It'll remind you this isn't a smooth and silky 6 cylinder. The electric-assisted steering is also bit too light in the normal Comfort and Eco settings, however in Sport, it is weighed nicely but the trade-off is the extremely responsive throttle - I just want to get off the line smooth in the city, don't need to race from light to light on demand!

Regardless, they're all good cars! Just comes down to your preferences! - my 2 cents :) - Sorry for the lengthy post

I'd probably get a slightly used '13 model as well if you're completely set on the C-Class since I don't think theirs any changes on the '14 model and the '15 models are gonna be completely different.

What I found out when I was shopping for a vehicle in this class, 2012 C300s (not talking 250 or 350 models) actually came better equipped than the 13s and 14s.

Two things that the immediately caught my eye in changes were:
- Seat Switches moved from door panel to seat, Memory function stripped.
- Panoramic Sunroof removed as an option

I know there were a few other things, however it just drifted my attention away from them. Other than a relative having an 08 C300.

[acurael]

Your $40k range, assuming the 2014 and 2015 pricing will stay the same, will buy you:

Mercedes-Benz Canada - Configurator - C-Class Sedan (http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/canada/mpc/mpc_canada_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/c-class/w204/configurator/configurator_w204.html?tp_ccci=/dsc_ca/globalsessionid/DSC_ca396432633B3A7C6DFF6B640301550300/dsc_locale/en_CA/appId/DSC_ca/siteLocale/en_CA/P3501ViewBean.jam1%3bjsessionid=0000Ir5WtP8WrBDdHX IZUx5agU0:16p745vrf)

Add in PDI, some options, and extras, and you are looking at low $50k's for a C250 or a C300.

And, that is before taxes.

If you factor in your discounts, this negates the taxes, so the TOTAL price will be the low $50ks, out of the $40k range.

Just some food for thought before you get pressured by the salesman to sign on the dotted line.

And, happy car hunting!

You are correct. It comes out to 48,900 total. The freight PDI is around 2300. That sucks. When I say 40 range its before taxes and extras so I would say maximum 50 grand all in, although we would prefer to be in the mid to low 40s if possible.

[acurael]

Actually shopped for a vehicle in this class during the summer. And in fairness, the C300, A4, IS250 and 328i are all very good cars and are good at being what they are. It mostly comes down to personal preference.

Personally, I went with the 328i xDrive Sport Line. Not here to blend in with the sea of BMWs, but there were several reasons I went with one, coming from a G35.

- Looks: It's only an evolution of the E90, but it is definitely one of the fresher designs. It looks mature while not being too radical, which most of the vehicles in this segment try to do.

- Fuel Economy: While the price tag would suggest anyone driving one should be able to afford the gas for it, its just the sort of feeling you get when you find out you go to the pump less often - along with a smaller tank. It feels good that something producing such power averages around 10L/100km in the city.

- Performance: I did look at the numbers, while they played a slight factor in my decision, the 2.0L turbo has GOBS of power. One thing of consideration was the availability of torque over a wider band. The VQ35 felt like you needed to tap into it just slightly more, but with the N20 - it's available at levels as low as 1500rpm. If it weren't for its coarse sounding I4, you would think its one of BMW's I6 engines!

- Handling and Stability: As I actually was able to test drive the vehicle overnight AND it was pouring hard (Thank You Vancouver!), was able to test how it would handle both in the dry and the wet. And I was very pleased compared to the G35, which was RWD. The 328 seemed to be glued to the road in that weather. And for what it's worth, that was the selling point for me. xDrive may not be the best system in it's class, but it does the job and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

However, there are a few trade-offs with one. As such, the N20 is quite a coarse engine and the sound isn't too pleasant sometimes. It'll remind you this isn't a smooth and silky 6 cylinder. The electric-assisted steering is also bit too light in the normal Comfort and Eco settings, however in Sport, it is weighed nicely but the trade-off is the extremely responsive throttle - I just want to get off the line smooth in the city, don't need to race from light to light on demand!

Regardless, they're all good cars! Just comes down to your preferences! - my 2 cents :) - Sorry for the lengthy post



What I found out when I was shopping for a vehicle in this class, 2012 C300s (not talking 250 or 350 models) actually came better equipped than the 13s and 14s.

Two things that the immediately caught my eye in changes were:
- Seat Switches moved from door panel to seat, Memory function stripped.
- Panoramic Sunroof removed as an option

I know there were a few other things, however it just drifted my attention away from them. Other than a relative having an 08 C300.

thanks for the post. You are right about the 2012 C300 being the best equipped (the salesperson told me the same thing, but then couldn't find anything in stock). I just can't find any with bi-xenon lights. Might just wait it out another month. In the mean time I should check out the 328 x drive.

[acurael]

thought i would update the thread for anyone interested.

We ended up going with a 2014 C300 fully loaded. Was looking at 2012/2013 300 and 350 models but the price difference was very small compared to the 2014 since I was given a good discount ($5,000 off) and 0.9 percent financing. Figured better to have full warranty for 4 years and brand new car. Guess they want to clear them out by end of year and before the 2015's arrive. Needed to purchase soon, and although the new styling looks nice, the old style is quite nice already.

BMW 328xi with similar options was pushing the price too high for the initial budget, so that got axed.

[noclue]

hmm wasn't it better off to lease? Heard they have excellent lease deals like 0 down $439+tax for 39months. apparently they have quite the inventory to get rid of the current gen to make way for the next generation.

[J____]

thought i would update the thread for anyone interested.

We ended up going with a 2014 C300 fully loaded. Was looking at 2012/2013 300 and 350 models but the price difference was very small compared to the 2014 since I was given a good discount ($5,000 off) and 0.9 percent financing. Figured better to have full warranty for 4 years and brand new car. Guess they want to clear them out by end of year and before the 2015's arrive. Needed to purchase soon, and although the new styling looks nice, the old style is quite nice already.

BMW 328xi with similar options was pushing the price too high for the initial budget, so that got axed.

solid car, I have a '12 C200 (same as the C250). Decent car and good drive, I would of much rather waited for the 2015's but since you can't no biggy. New models tend to have a few new issues here and there anyway.

Only issue I have is there's a design flaw with the front shock strut mount. The bearing tends to give out easily and makes horrible noises. I lowered mine on H&R sport springs so it accelerated the problem. My advice is if you plan on lowering it, do it with coilovers as it replaces the OEM shock strut mount, otherwise you'll get issues and dealership won't replace it under warranty claiming it to be caused by your mods where in reality it's a design flaw. There's a service bulletin for the pre-facelift w204's but the design-flaw seemed to have slipped through after the face-lifts. My friend's C300 here had his stock struts replaced twice in 50k kms, he swapped over to coil overs set to stock height after his warranty expired and the problem came up again.

[asian_XL]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2015-Mercedes-Benz-C-class-interior-placement-626x382.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-mercedes-benz-c-class_100449448_l.jpg

who cares it is problematic, the new c class looks great

but this is what I concern, MB air suspension tends to be shitty and expensive to replace

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-mercedes-benz-c-class-leaked--image-via-diariomotor_100444245_l.jpg

[Ikkaku]

Only issue I have is there's a design flaw with the front shock strut mount. The bearing tends to give out easily and makes horrible noises.

pretty sure we have that on our '10 c300 4matic lol

[!SG]

its the humid air. pretty much all air suspensions suck in humid environments. the air dryer/filter isnt enough to keep water from building up in the valveblocks and air compressor.

part of the reason why im reluctant to go on air ride myself.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2015-Mercedes-Benz-C-class-interior-placement-626x382.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-mercedes-benz-c-class_100449448_l.jpg

who cares it is problematic, the new c class looks great

but this is what I concern, MB air suspension tends to be shitty and expensive to replace

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-mercedes-benz-c-class-leaked--image-via-diariomotor_100444245_l.jpg

[J____]

pretty sure we have that on our '10 c300 4matic lol

does yours front struts creak at full left and right lock? also does it have a thumping sound and sensation when applying medium/heavy braking over uneven roads, similar to abs kicking in? (especially noticeable braking into a speed bump)

mine went south on me after 2000kms on the car a week after installing springs. Dealer replaced out of courtesy even though they knew it was lowered. Fast forward 1 year and 25k kms later, they break again... Now dealer can't do anything until I swap back to stock springs. I'm just going to install coilovers and be gone with these darn strut bearing mounts...

[Ikkaku]

I don't notice the thumping, but for sure the creaks while being close to full lock lol

[asian_XL]

its the humid air. pretty much all air suspensions suck in humid environments. the air dryer/filter isnt enough to keep water from building up in the valveblocks and air compressor.

part of the reason why im reluctant to go on air ride myself.

The humid air could be harmful, but MB air pump goes bad and the system leaks air way before water gets in. The suspension on my W220 has been replaced due to badly leak and the whole car slammed to the ground. It costed $2500 to fix. Hopefully the new system is better.

[MR_BIGGS]

Not a huge fan of the Audi A4 looks and I only like it with the S line package and that jacks up the price.

Originally looking at used C300 4matic (2012 or 2013) but not any available with lower kms and I need bi-xenon headlights.

Looking at around 40 grand range (before taxes) and that's why the salesman suggested 2014 since it is close to that range and we would get full warranty which is important with german cars.The 2015 does look nice but then I usually don't like getting a car in its first model year since there can be issues. We can't wait another year.

Also have looked at the infiniti Q50 but with everything in its close to 59 (only like the sport model with all the options). The Lexus IS 250 or 350 was another choice but its ugly and nice at the same time, so not sure.
Used IS350 AWD (2011-2012) would be great but impossible to find.

I will look into the BMW 328 x-drive a bit more. I hate the front of the car unless its sport package. Trying to keep price down also and it looks like the BMW is higher priced than the benz. I guess the BMW also includes 4 year maintenance at no cost.........

:suspicious: confused


I'm guessing there has been a bunch of lease returns, but you can get a 13 c300 in the low 30's from dealership now with under 13K on it. There's so many of them available at the MB dealership. That and the fact the new generation (2015) is going to be coming out eventually.