[parm104]

Here is a link to one of many articles that have been circulating today regarding a statement Lululemon's founder had made when addressing an issue with the brand's clothing.

The controversy that has popped up on Facebook and other social media is that the company, founder and clothing is discriminating against women of a particular shape/size.

Reason why I address this is somewhat similar reasoning behind the "Asian Fit" controversy. So now there is a presumed right to wear spandex pants and if a company fails to provide adequate sizing for plus-sized women, then we should all be up in arms about it?

http://globalnews.ca/news/950626/lululemon-founder-says-their-pants-do-not-work-for-some-womens-bodies/



Lululemon Athletica founder Chip Wilson is facing more controversy after saying that their pants do not work for some women’s bodies on an American TV show.

Wilson made the comment when he and his wife Shannon were interviewed on Bloomberg TV’s “Street Smart” program.

Earlier this week, it was reported the company is facing new complaints about their yoga pants. Some customers are complaining they are pilling after only a few months of wear.

“The thing is women will wear seat belts that do not work, or they will wear a purse that does not work,” said Wilson. “Or quite frankly, some women’s bodies actually do not work for it.”

When the show host asked if it was more likely the pants will be see-through with some women’s bodies than others, Wilson replied, “Even our small size will fit an extra large. It is really about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure is there over a period of time, and how much they use them.”

The comment comes just months after Lululemon pulled their yoga pants from shelves because they were too sheer, costing the company millions of dollars in sales.

In July, the company said customers could still be sporting see-through yoga pants because they’re buying sizes that are too small for them.

Here's another article from a different feed:

Lululemon co-founder on too-sheer yoga pants: Not for 'some women's bodies' - TODAY.com (http://www.today.com/style/lululemon-co-founder-too-sheer-yoga-pants-not-some-womens-8C11547236)

I fail to see what the controversy is here and why this has become such a prevalent story? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that body-forming, shaped clothing aren't designed to be worn for all shapes and sizes. That doesn't prevent someone from wearing them but it doesn't guarantee them the same results as someone slimmer/fitter.

[Spidey]

it isn't a big deal.. women who are offended by it are probably the same women that shouldn't even be wearing the largest sizes lulu has to offer. you don't see men complaining about not being able to fit into skinny jeans made for guys that are 100 lbs

[trancehead]

only people complaining would be fat chicks

probably another self over valuating fat head

instead of looking for warfare on companies on this discrimination against "big beautiful woman": drop the mcdicks and lose some fucking weight

[Harvey Specter]

I've seen stretchy pants labelled "skinny fit", maybe Lululemon should do the same with some of their pants.

[HonestTea]

They should've kept using the Luon material for their Yoga Pants..but people complained that it was too "transparent" :(

[parm104]

instead of looking for warfare on companies on this discrimination against "big beautiful woman": drop the mcdicks and lose some fucking weight

Or continue eating the McDicks and embrace your body and not blame society for your shortcomings!

I've seen stretchy pants labelled "skinny fit", maybe Lululemon should do the same with some of their pants.

Fair suggestion but I think it's general knowledge that Lululemon and Yoga Pants, TNA pants etc. are meant for a particular body and shape. AKA #notfatchicks. All there products are "stretchy" so in theory "skinny fit." What would be the point of labelling every product from gloves, socks to jackets and pants to "skinny fit" lol.

Wearing yoga pants is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT!

[Kidnapman]

http://static.neatoshop.com/images/product/90/5790/The-Stupid-It-Burns_27523-l.jpg?v=27523

[MarkyMark]

In other news no one wants to see fat chicks in spandex. The shit that causes controversy these days lol
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[maksimizer]

2muchButthurt

[will068]

haha.. I saw that interview on Bloomberg.

The female commentator made a big deal about it.

The male commentator just brushed it off.

[punkwax]

No, Lulu pants aren't for every woman. But the ones they are for... :sweetjesus:

[Spidey]

I haven't and won't buy Lululemon mainly because of the price... but for those who do buy them, do they come in sizes which reference your body size? ie. small = 25inch waist, etc? If not, maybe they should... so women who have a 40" waist won't cram themselves into a small

[kwy]

I bet some of the women still complaining about the pants being too sheer are trying to stuff their too-fat asses into way undersized pants..and you wonder why the material is being pushed to its limits..

[is350]

I haven't and won't buy Lululemon mainly because of the price... but for those who do buy them, do they come in sizes which reference your body size? ie. small = 25inch waist, etc? If not, maybe they should... so women who have a 40" waist won't cram themselves into a small

are you a girl? I know lululemon makes male pants too but...

[yogenfruz]

I bet some of the women still complaining about the pants being too sheer are trying to stuff their too-fat asses into way undersized pants..and you wonder why the material is being pushed to its limits..

"Oh my god, my 'diet' must totally be working. I fit into a pair of small LuLuLemon pants!"

[Spidey]

are you a girl? I know lululemon makes male pants too but...

I don't understand what you are asking? Why would it make a difference whether I was a man or woman, and asked that question?

[parm104]

I don't understand what you are asking? Why would it make a difference whether I was a man or woman, and asked that question?

He's trying to be funny...a little uncomfortable about his manhood and implying that somehow wearing lululemon pants makes you less of a man.

On a side note, Spidey I agree that they're too expensive but they sure do last a long time. I end up justifying making a purchase every now and then for something I really like because they always last me years without any sign of wearing or degradation.

[SpeedStars]

I don't understand the controversy... The sizes they offer are up to 14 iirc. That's fking huge. If the founder believes certain body shapes fit his product, so what? I'm pretty sure the founder of Ferrari doesn't want his product driven by spoiled 17 year olds. WEAR THEM IF YOU THINK YOU SHOULD.(even when others think you shouldn't :ahwow:)

[dinosaur]

Lululemon is crazy over priced, but it is good quality. They advertise and the sales people really push the "non-pilling" and pre-shrunk fabric/materials. I've never had a problem nor have any of my friends but because their quality it so good, I have not bought anything new from them in about a year and a half. Maybe they changed materials?

Also, they don't sell xs-xl....their pants and hoodies are sizes 2 to 12...like other stores.

[Spidey]

He's trying to be funny...a little uncomfortable about his manhood and implying that somehow wearing lululemon pants makes you less of a man.

On a side note, Spidey I agree that they're too expensive but they sure do last a long time. I end up justifying making a purchase every now and then for something I really like because they always last me years without any sign of wearing or degradation.

The only thing lulu lemon I have owned was a dri fit t shirt, and track pants... Yup track pants.. they had them when they were about 3 years open.... I personally would buy some of the pants for men, but I wear shorts to the gym, and they are too expensive for "lazy sunday" pants. I won't deny they are good quality and worth the money if you do wear them out a couple times a week.

Now that you got me thinking.. I might check out the store and pick up a pair.. damnit!!

[will068]

He's trying to be funny...a little uncomfortable about his manhood and implying that somehow wearing lululemon pants makes you less of a man.

On a side note, Spidey I agree that they're too expensive but they sure do last a long time. I end up justifying making a purchase every now and then for something I really like because they always last me years without any sign of wearing or degradation.


I get what he's saying. Lululemon still has that very feminine aura about it. Like owning a car model driven predominantly by the female gender. However, at the end of the day, if you're not harming anyone or anyone's property, just do you.

I wonder if this will have positive effect on the revenue for LULU. I can see heavy-set women going "Oh yeah, I can still wear your clothes....".

[Mr.HappySilp]

Some styles/clothing simply don't work for everyone. As someone mention skinny jeans aren't for everyone. Should I go to the store and complain about it? No I simply get something else I look good in......

[nabs]

yeah Pilling is a big problem with their pants and it's nothing to do with the size of the wearer or anything, My gf has a couple pairs and the pilling happens after a few months, and my gf is definitely wearing her size, actually she made sure the pants were a looser fit because thats how she likes her yoga pants.

After buying her first pair she saw the pilling happen and then went to the store to ask about it, the person helping her told her how to take care of it and how to wash it and shit. She bought another pair and she took care of it like the girl told her, pilling still happened. My gf really takes care of her clothes in general to make sure they last a long time. After that she never bought a pair from LuLu again. The quality and longevity is just not the same as it used to be back when I worked at LuLu, I have a pair of trackpants that I still wear to this date back from 2007.

/rant

[bing]

Lululemon should make a similar tag and attach this to every piece of clothing they sell :troll:

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/glitters/n/no_fat_chicks-8242.jpg

[bloodmack]

dude I even know fit chicks who shouldn't wear this shit.. the requirement should be to have an ass..

[Spidey]

dude I even know fit chicks who shouldn't wear this shit.. the requirement should be to have an ass..

the thing about lulu lemon pants /tna pants is that it creates the illusion that girls with sub par glutes, have glutes. the ones that have fantastic glutes look stunning in them lol.... if lulu/tna can't flatter your rear, you better be doing more squats!

[is350]

I'm actually just confused about spidey's gender. I thought spider's a guy. And I think lululemon is usually worn by woman, that's my perception but I also know they make men's clothes as well.

[Spidey]

I'm actually just confused about spidey's gender. I thought spider's a guy. And I think lululemon is usually worn by woman, that's my perception but I also know they make men's clothes as well.

well if lululemon makes stuff for guys, and you always thought I was a guy..... regardless, I will let you use your imagination. Btw, lululemon has a huge line of guys stuff now adays; hoodies, jackets, tanks, undershirts, long sleeves, shorts, pants, etc.

Personally, if I were to choose the best brands of fitness wear, it would be underarmour and lululemon, with respect to quality and fit for my body type.

[is350]

again my general perception and stereotype. Guys who wear underarmour stuff look like hippies. And I found the guys who wear lululemon are usually gay. I don't see guys wear lululemon very often. But out of all the times I saw, I think only one of them wasn't gay.

Nothing wrong with girls wearing lululemon, looks great on them.

[SkunkWorks]

And I found the guys who wear lululemon are usually gay. I don't see guys wear lululemon very often. But out of all the times I saw, I think only one of them wasn't gay.

:suspicious:

Speak for yourself... I wear Lululemon but I wouldn't fuck you in the ass.

[quasi]

:suspicious:

Speak for yourself... I wear Lululemon but I wouldn't fuck you in the ass.

So what you're really saying is your more of a bottom then a top..........not that there's anything wrong with that.

[is350]

lol you don't believe me? look around yourself, see how many men are wearing lululemon. Then go the the West End, do the comparison yourself.

[Spidey]

:suspicious:

Speak for yourself... I wear Lululemon but I wouldn't fuck you in the ass.

lol don't mind him, I think he is trying to rustle my jimmies... rustle away

[Spidey]

again my general perception and stereotype. Guys who wear underarmour stuff look like hippies. And I found the guys who wear lululemon are usually gay. I don't see guys wear lululemon very often. But out of all the times I saw, I think only one of them wasn't gay.

Nothing wrong with girls wearing lululemon, looks great on them.

last time I checked, professional football, hockey, and baseball players didn't fall under the scope of "hippy". but to each his own.

lulu lemon may or may not appeal to gay men more than other brands. but their styles are pretty plain and simple. they are not flamboyant by any means. it's funny how you think just because a certain brand is bought by gay people, that it is a "gay" brand.

I guess it is time to tell the RS community that I am a gay hippie, as per Bmx's definition. or am I a female hippie.... :S

[is350]

last time I checked, professional football, hockey, and baseball players didn't fall under the scope of "hippy". but to each his own.

lulu lemon may or may not appeal to gay men more than other brands. but their styles are pretty plain and simple. they are not flamboyant by any means. it's funny how you think just because a certain brand is bought by gay people, that it is a "gay" brand.

I guess it is time to tell the RS community that I am a gay hippie, as per Bmx's definition. or am I a female hippie.... :S


It's funny because I speak from my pov, and I'm not trying to rustle your jimmy, but you said it yourself.

underarmours is hippie because it's current latest fashion for sportswear. One wears it, and everyone else follows and wears exactly the same. And after a while it will die down. You will never catch me saying wearing nike pro-combat or Adidas is hippie.

[is350]

:suspicious:

Speak for yourself... I wear Lululemon but I wouldn't fuck you in the ass.

I said most of the guys I saw wearing lululemon appear to be gay, not all of them. But hey, doesn't hurt to explore a bit, you might be one of them :badpokerface:

[parm104]

I'm actually just confused about spidey's gender. I thought spider's a guy. And I think lululemon is usually worn by woman, that's my perception but I also know they make men's clothes as well.

Why don't you save yourself time and energy and just type "I'm ignorant" instead of all the narrow-minded crap you're posting in here?

It's funny because I speak from my pov, and I just want to rustle your jimmy, but you said it yourself..

Fixed.

[MarkyMark]

I think under armour has beyond a fad, they make good workout clothes and they've been around for awhile now. Ed Hardy was a fad.

[BrRsn]

bmwx1 you're an ignorant opinionated cunt, I'd lump you with the worst of RS.


Here's a surprising fact, lululemon makes pants for men that fit like any other jogging pants -- is that shocking?
Here's another surprising fact, they also make yoga pants for men which don't cup your ass unless your bodacious like a male version of oprah.

[bloodmack]

shit really? i better cancel my order then..

[BrRsn]

I'm actually just confused about spidey's gender. I thought spider's a guy. And I think lululemon is usually worn by woman, that's my perception but I also know they make men's clothes as well.



You're trying really hard to make a joke and it's not working. How the fuck do you even know what women wear? If it wasn't for the internet, guys like you would live almost the entirety of their lives thinking girls urinate and defecate out the same hole. You socially awkward fuck, you smell like kleenex and day old semen and I can smell it through my computer monitor you putrid little shit. Every time i see your posts I want to take my computer and use it as a bludgeoning device and just bash myself fucking half way retarded so I don't have to read your dribble.



You're like the half chinese retarded twin for that kid beans from Even Stevens, did you ever watch that show? Did you ever think "Man that kid is fucking annoying, is he trying to be annoying or is he just innately annoying -- is it in his DNA?" cause I sure as hell did. Fuck, I spend most of my time wondering why the fuck they didn't just team up and kill the kid, or at least beat the shit out of him with phone books and send his sorry ass home.


http://urallstardust.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/tumblr_l75hv3cydo1qatdv1o1_1280.jpg

[dinosaur]

bmwx1 you're an ignorant opinionated cunt, I'd lump you with the worst of RS.



You rang?? :fullofwin:

[BrRsn]

You rang?? :fullofwin:



Goddamnit bmwx1 you contribute NOTHING to this forum. You're about as an effective poster as a fat food critic. I have not once even been slightly titillated by your posts. You couldn't make a midget laugh with a featherduster and unlimited amounts of cocaine. You have no personality, you are devoid of a soul -- you are basically a computer program designed to just be irritating. You're kind of like internet explorer -- slow, laggy, useless, replaced by newer better things -- yet, for some reason, your shortcut still exists on my desktop.

[is350]

Thanks for pointing it out. You on the other hand is no different than who I am. Don't like it, don't read it.

Actually I'm better than someone like you who "public shames" the dude who borrowed the money from the girl. Yea group bully the guy, yea I know the dude deserves what he gets, but really, writing a damn paragraph on the cementing, seriously wtf is that shit.

at least I keep that shit to my mouth. If you decide to bring it against me, might as well go for it.

[bcrdukes]

hey dont associate me with dukes.
That little love triangle him, you and grid have going on is none of my business

Why the fuck do you rotten dicks associate me with those two Internet geektards?

Those two are literally worse than the Holocaust.

[MindBomber]

Why the fuck do you rotten dicks associate me with those two Internet geektards?

Those two are literally worse than the Holocaust.

+1.

Guys who wear underarmour stuff look like hippies. And I found the guys who wear lululemon are usually gay.

I LOVE my lululemon core hoody.

I have often been called a hippie, though..

[is350]

hey dont associate me with dukes.
That little love triangle him, you and grid have going on is none of my business


Goddamnit bmwx1 you contribute NOTHING to this forum. You're about as an effective poster as a fat food critic. I have not once even been slightly titillated by your posts. You couldn't make a midget laugh with a featherduster and unlimited amounts of cocaine. You have no personality, you are devoid of a soul -- you are basically a computer program designed to just be irritating. You're kind of like internet explorer -- slow, laggy, useless, replaced by newer better things -- yet, for some reason, your shortcut still exists on my desktop.

Well I'm glad I'm doing such a good job, and I will continue do what I do. Do I really care what you think about me? Even if I don't contribute, this is just a forum for us to talk about shit, not necessarily to contribute.

I'm glad you got all the rage out of your chest. Time to maybe read some other thread and ignore my post if you don't like it? Apparently you don't appreciate my humor and I don't appreciate yours as well, but at least I keep that all to myself until you decided to rage all out.

[FerrariEnzo]

lol.. ITS that size for a reason

[is350]

+1.



I LOVE my lululemon core hoody.

I have often been called a hippie, though..

I didn't say lululemon is for hippies, I said underarmour is for hippies.

[dinosaur]

I LOVE my lululemon core hoody.



19093

[MindBomber]

I didn't say lululemon is for hippies, I said underarmour is for hippies.

I misread.

I see that my lululemon hoodie makes me gay, not a hippie.

19093

Thank you for the correction.

:nyan:

[twdm]

If you can't picture Arnold Schwarzenegger wearing it, then it is gay.

Therefore Lululemon on men is gay.
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[Spidey]

hip·pie
[hip-ee] Show IPA
noun
a person, especially of the late 1960s, who rejected established institutions and values and sought spontaneity, direct personal relations expressing love, and expanded consciousness, often expressed externally in the wearing of casual, folksy clothing and of beads, headbands, used garments, etc.

did you confuse hippie with hipster?

hipster
Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter. The greatest concentrations of hipsters can be found living in the Williamsburg, Wicker Park, and Mission District neighborhoods of major cosmopolitan centers such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively. Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses. Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs. Such styles are often associated with the work of creative stylists at urban salons, and are usually too "edgy" for the culturally-sheltered mainstream consumer. The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and sciences, which also require certain creative analytical thinking abilities. Cons...

regardless, neither terms are relevant to under armour or any sports brand.

so you don't believe in brand name clothing is basically what you are saying. I prefer to wear comfortable swear wicking, stretch attire when working out, compared to a white t shirt and sweats.

If you are going to state why certain brands are bad/ why you won't purchase them, at least use the right terms. Sound like you don't like mainstream brands... which makes me think you are one of the two terms that is defined above.

[BrRsn]

If you can't picture Arnold Schwarzenegger wearing it, then it is gay.

Therefore Lululemon on men is gay.
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I can't picture arnold shwarzenegger looking anything remotely similar to you, does that make you gay?

[twdm]

I can't picture arnold shwarzenegger looking anything remotely similar to you, does that make you gay?

Please go back to reading comprehension school. If you like wearing pants that stretch tight over your balls, I can't stop you, but you're still gay.
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[punkwax]

http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/76/76d31508_c851d40e_Derail_1.jpeg

[Jas29]

am I the only one that has never seen a hippi wearing underarmour

[westopher]

People get bent over the stupidest fucking shit nowadays. I look like shit in a speedo. Its not fucking speedos fault. Its my fault for drinking 30+ beers a week. My size 31 slim fit diesel jeans had the crotch rip out when I was skateboarding. I should have bought a 32. Lets put it on the front page of the province how I got fucked over by big corporations.

[SpuGen]

I bet some of the women still complaining about the pants being too sheer are trying to stuff their too-fat asses into way undersized pants..and you wonder why the material is being pushed to its limits..

Push It To The Limit (scarface) - YouTube

Thanks for pointing it out. You on the other hand is no different than who I am. Don't like it, don't read it.

Actually I'm better than someone like you who "public shames" the dude who borrowed the money from the girl. Yea group bully the guy, yea I know the dude deserves what he gets, but really, writing a damn paragraph on the cementing, seriously wtf is that shit.

at least I keep that shit to my mouth. If you decide to bring it against me, might as well go for it.


Says Lululemon is gay.

User name BMW X1.

wat.
You can come out now. It's 2013.

[meme405]

I didn't say lululemon is for hippies, I said underarmour is for hippies.

Lol wut? As spidey said, UA is worn by professional athletes... Its performance clothing. For people who are not couch potatoes.

If anything Lululemon is more hippy (Not saying it is), and that would be because they have some save the environment crap, and some of their clothes had hemp or something (I saw a sign when I past the metro location, not sure about this one).

UA doesn't give a shit about the environment, besides protecting your ass from it.

I stand behing UA's gear wholeheartedly. They make excellent cold weather gear and good quality workout gear...

[skiiipi]

I didn't say lululemon is for hippies, I said underarmour is for hippies.

Can someone just ban this idiot already.....
Seriously....UA for Hippies.....I've worked i the sporting goods industry since UA came onto the market...and I have NEVER heard anyone refer to UA as a hippie brand...or even a hipster brand for that matter...its way to mainstream

[FerrariEnzo]

Please go back to reading comprehension school. If you like wearing pants that stretch tight over your balls, I can't stop you, but you're still gay.
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Guys pants isnt tight... you obviously never been inside the store to look at mens clothing-line..

http://images.lululemon.com/is/image/lululemon/LM5136S_0001_1?$pdp_main$ http://images.lululemon.com/is/image/lululemon/LM5169R_8609_3?$pdp_main$

[multicartual]

I am seeing a girl who was born to wear Lulu, I'll try and get a pic

[Hurricane]

This thread is painful to read.

Lululemon is a fucking womens clothing brand. It was created as a direct response to the increasing participation rates of women in sports for women to wear.

Since the continued success of the brand, they have attempted to grow the brand into the male demographic, but even after 15 years the company only sells about 15% of its products to men.

Compare that to an athletic apparel company founded by a jock (Underarmour) which sees about 40% of its sales to women.

Also, Yoga participation (what the brand essentially identifies with) is roughly 83% women and 17% men in North America, roughly in line with the sales numbers.

Ive bought lots of lululemon clothes for girls, but ive never bought any myself. I don't really identify with the brand, although I have tried Yoga.

You guys who wear it, just for the sake of proving how open minded and forward thinking you are just as sad as the guy who thinks it equivalent to a Jewish star for gays.

It is obvious however that most of you are not gay, because gays don't get so offended by those types of comments, only their socially awkward straight friends do. Seriously.

For me its like Hyundai. Ill always associate that company with crap cars. Lululemon should have done the same thing I thought Hyundai should have done when they started building better cars.

Rebadge the new products. Johnnybanana Athletica anyone?:badpokerface:

[Soundy]

The shit that passes for news these days...

[multicartual]

Am I the only one who got up and danced to the "push it to the limit" song and then wanted cocaine???

[7seven]

First time I've ever heard UA being associated with a hippie image/lifestyle.

I have a closet full of UA gear for the gym and tactical use purposes (yes we PMC, military and law enforcement folk wear UA in the field at times), I guess that makes me a full blown hippie then, which is odd considering I'm pro big corporation, pro guns, pro military, pro big oil, pro lower tax rates for high income earners and corporations, anti welfare, hate Greenpeace and PETA with a passion, etc....

Well I guess there is only one thing for me to do then, pack up my UA gear and go join a hippie commune:haha:

[Bouncing Bettys]

aware me on what lulu lemon is and provide pics

[snails]

well.. fuck all of you (except Inaii)

im going to go buy a LuLu mens hoodie cuz they are comfy as fuuuuuuuuuu

not hipter, not gay. i just like comfy clothes!

but back on topic. i think they have a point, not all clothes are made for all people. if you want to fit in these clothes made for a specific height-weight proportion then become that... otherwise dont blame a company for not catering to your KPC lovin, not putting donuts down ass that dosnt fit into tight fitting clothing..

just saying, small car parking spots are made for small cars.. dont park a truck in there and complain that is didnt fit! go find a bigger spot to park.

[xpl0sive]

this is the same shit as the Abercrombie "controversy". The owner said their clothes weren't for everyone... i.e "If you're fat, I don't want you wearing my clothes". But it seems they have now decided to make larger sizes... Maybe LULU will follow

Abercrombie & Fitch Plus Size Controversy, Adding Larger Sizes ? Style News - StyleWatch - People.com (http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2013/11/06/abercrombie-fitch-plus-size-stock-price/)

Awesome quote

“Candidly, we go after the cool kids … A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”

[sonick]

this is the same shit as the Abercrombie "controversy". The owner said their clothes weren't for everyone... i.e "If you're fat, I don't want you wearing my clothes". But it seems they have now decided to make larger sizes... Maybe LULU will follow

Abercrombie & Fitch Plus Size Controversy, Adding Larger Sizes ? Style News - StyleWatch - People.com (http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2013/11/06/abercrombie-fitch-plus-size-stock-price/)

Awesome quote

“Candidly, we go after the cool kids … A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”

I don't think this comparison is very analogous to Lululemon. Abercrombie was saying they don't want unattractive people wearing their brand, whereas Lululemon is admitting that their product may not 'work' (i.e. wears prematurely/pills) for certain body types.

It's unfair of the media to assume Wilson was talking about fatties. Fit women can just the same have thick thighs/quads that may rub up against each other causing the same pilling issue.

[StylinRed]

this isn't news... i have seen plenty of diaphanous lululemon pants on girls and they were not fat :sweetjesus: but they may have been wearing a size or two smaller than they should have.
side note i've been into a lululemon store a couple times and never even knew they had mens clothes guess my eyes were concentrated elsewhere :badpokerface:

[JKam]

this is the same shit as the Abercrombie "controversy". The owner said their clothes weren't for everyone... i.e "If you're fat, I don't want you wearing my clothes". But it seems they have now decided to make larger sizes... Maybe LULU will follow


Problem is lululemon has larger sizes but XL's will squeeze into a M because the material stretches. "See I can fit into a medium when I'm normally a XL! :badpokerface:"

[westopher]

"OH MY GOD YOGA HAS HELPED ME LOSE SO MUCH WEIGHT. I'M A MEDIUM NOW. NO BIG DEAL THOUGH. OTHA BITCHAS BE SO JEALOUS"

[GLOW]

Fat Guy in a Little Coat - YouTube

[sonick]

RIP Farley.

[meme405]

Girls keep posting this on FB and commenting "like omg, what an asshole that guy is", "is he serious?"

I don't comment, but if I were too ohhh man would I start a shit storm...

Seriously though, hes right, this shit ain't made for some chicks...

[skiiipi]

Girls keep posting this on FB and commenting "like omg, what an asshole that guy is", "is he serious?"

I don't comment, but if I were too ohhh man would I start a shit storm...

Seriously though, hes right, this shit ain't made for some chicks...

Haha I felt the same way...I was so tempted to comment on a few of the posts on say how this is why they will never support Lululemon.....

[finbar]

One of the "see through" issues was women buying a size or two too small.
Try telling a plusser to go up a few sizes.

As for the mens line, it works for me at the gym, pilling and all.

[SolidPenguin]

Guys pants isnt tight... you obviously never been inside the store to look at mens clothing-line..

http://images.lululemon.com/is/image/lululemon/LM5136S_0001_1?$pdp_main$ http://images.lululemon.com/is/image/lululemon/LM5169R_8609_3?$pdp_main$

Pretty sure he doesnt know that they make men's pants, and thinks guys are wearing the tight girls yoga pants.

[J____]

Yes lulu is expensive but I don't think it's overpriced for what it is. I have their cotton shirts that's been through 3 years of washing and still look like new. Their metal vent tech shirts feel amazing on the skin and literally last forever looking new if you don't catch them on something sharp. How many company's shirts out there can last 3 years looking like the day you bought it? Not many.
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[H.Specter]

again my general perception and stereotype. Guys who wear underarmour stuff look like hippies. And I found the guys who wear lululemon are usually gay. I don't see guys wear lululemon very often. But out of all the times I saw, I think only one of them wasn't gay.

Nothing wrong with girls wearing lululemon, looks great on them.
urine idiot


http://i.imgur.com/W87Qxzf.gif

[FerrariEnzo]

Pretty sure he doesnt know that they make men's pants, and thinks guys are wearing the tight girls yoga pants.
I think he thinks men's lululemon pants are the ones the cyclist use :badpokerface:

A lot of NBA players wear spandex under their shorts.. are they gay?

[rslater]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

"It seems to me to me like Business 101: if someone repeatedly makes requests to buy your product, then you can probably assume that if you make it available, they will buy it, and you will make money. If you choose not to make that product available to the people requesting it, then there's something else going on. You are choosing to exclude that market for a reason, usually one to do with what you may call "corporate strategy" or "brand positioning" but what some people, especially those affected, may call just plain prejudice.

Popular American retailer Abercrombie & Fitch came under fire last year when its CEO, Mike Jeffries explained to Salon magazine the company's decision to limit its sizing to Sizes 0 to 10 as part of a corporate-wide strategy to appeal to the "cool" and "attractive" kids, not just implying that if you didn't fit in a Size 10 or smaller, you weren't cool but actually saying their clothes were not for the "fat kids." Chip Wilson, founder of lululemon, noted in a recent interview with Bloomberg TV that "some women's bodies just don't work" with their clothing.

Ignorant comments such as those made by Jeffries or Wilson are not something new to me. I have been called fat my whole life - even when I wasn't fat. I can't remember how young I was when I was first called fat by other kids - I literally can't remember a time when that didn't happen. I have a picture of a gorgeous 6 year old Dani on my fridge who could never be called fat - and yet that's what was happening at school. And when you hear something often, you start to believe it, and live it. I was fat, so I ate. And the insult became the reality. As a teenager I wanted nothing more than to wear the same clothes as my girlfriends and despaired when, as a 17 year old Size 12, with boobs and hips and a butt, I couldn't fit into the same "baby tees" or low rise jeans. I cried many times in mall dressing rooms feeling fat and unattractive. I went on Weight Watchers for the first time when I was 13, and actually did quite well with the program, but I endured taunts from classmates throughout elementary and high school, regardless of how thin/fat I was at the time, because I had already been labelled "the fat girl." Kids who didn't have better comebacks in our juvenile disagreements often resorted to "Well - you're FAT" to end the discussion. And it usually did, with me in tears.

This prejudice did not go away as I got older. I matured, but society didn't. If I refuse to give money to a panhandler in my Gastown neighbourhood, they will shout after me that I'm fat. I've had drunk guys whose advances I have ignored shout about how fat I am as I walk away from them. I met a record industry insider in the early 2000s when I was younger and desperate for a career as a singer who told me that the reality was, I didn't look like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears and that's what I'd need to look like to make it as a singer. I've been routinely overlooked for parts in theatre because of how I look - even in my early 20s I was being thrown into the "mother" or "old lady" or "funny girl" boat, because how do you cast a big girl, no matter how bright her smile, as the ingenue*? Regardless of whether I've been a size 8, 12, 16, 18 - and I've been them all - these issues still affect me in my adult life. The "fat" label, once affixed, is hardly ever removed. And sometimes we keep it there ourselves: I know even when I've been wearing a Size 2, and been sick and green from starving myself, I've looked in the mirror and still seen a fat person.

So, no, that companies don't want to make clothes for fat people isn't news to me, but perfectly in keeping with my experience as a big person. I don't feel the need to make immediate indignant retorts on Facebook when people like Jeffries or Wilson show their true colours. The message isn't new: Fat isn't cool. Curvy isn't cool. Thin is correct. It is beautiful. Thin is fit, and healthy, and there is no other possible definition of what "fit" or "healthy" can mean. And if companies like Abercrombie and Fitch and lululemon would prefer not to cater to myself or other women who do not fit their size charts, it is their prerogative and I don't have to shop there.

Still, I feel it keenly when a dear friend who I think is beautiful and amazing writes a brave letter to lululemon asking why she can't buy a shirt in their store to wear to her regular Pilates workouts, and receives a flip response about why she does not fit their image of a "target guest." I feel bad for my male friends who have subjected themselves to gruelling workouts and horrendous diets of shakes and pills to live up to some image of "maleness." I have lived this frustration. I've cried those tears, I've fought those battles. 17 year old me would be bitterly disappointed not to have the same clothes as all of my friends. 33 year old me sees it as an opportunity to scour the Interwebs for cool brands and designers who no one else has. It hurts me, but I also have tools at my disposal (mainly income) to help me cope.

So, some women's bodies, bigger women's bodies, "don't work" for Chip Wilson. This isn't news.

What is news to me, and saddening, is how people who I consider intelligent, sensitive and educated - people who know me, and know other bigger people - accept these messages and reinforce them, without a thought to how they affect people they claim to respect and care for. What is news to me is how people who have experienced weight issues themselves, once resolved, show little empathy for others. What is news to me is that the media onslaught of "thin is beautiful" has been internalized so much that smart, caring people reduce weight issues to two causes: gluttony, or laziness, and thus justify exclusions like those made by lululemon and A & F ("Well, if you want to wear these clothes, don't be so lazy. Don't be so fat"), when the reality is that size and weight are so much more complicated, difficult, and sensitive issues.

When the Abercrombie & Fitch story came out, I posted a link to the story on my Facebook and said, "Thanks Abercrombie & Fitch, thanks to companies like you I spent most of my teenage years crying in dressing rooms." I was half kidding, but also serious. A firestorm of comments followed, in which a friend who had lost a considerable amount of weight (and was, in my opinion as a person who has had every kind of eating disorder under the sun at some point or another, unhealthily fixated on her "new"body and "new" self) stated that I should suck it up - that if I wanted to wear A & F, I should just lose weight, or shut up about it. A man who had actually dated me, and so whom I feel reasonably confident in saying thought I was attractive, felt the need to wade in on the comment thread and explain why he preferred thin women. The majority of comments basically expressed that size was that simple: thin is good, fat is bad, and if you want to be thin, don't eat so damn much. Go for a run. And if you're fat, you deserve to be excluded and shouldn't complain. I was willing to wade into this debate, and hear my friends' positions, as appallingly insensitive as I thought they were being (two of those who commented de-friended me after our exchange of comments, incidentally - so perhaps they were more sensitive than I thought?), in the hopes that maybe I could educate them on what it's like to live in my shoes (a "regular" size 7, in case you're wondering. My feet aren't fat).

So today, I read lots of posts by people appalled by Chip Wilson's comments about women's thighs, in particular - and that women's thighs "rubbing together" may be the reason their pants' quality has declined in recent years. What was disappointing to me however were the social media comments that did NOT find his comments appalling and size-ist:

"No man can wear a Speedo either."

Why not?

"Of course he's right, some people shouldn't wear those pants."

Who are "some people"?

"I don't understand why people think that every company has to cater to the needs of every body shape around. If you're plus size you won't look good in it, don't buy it."

Great - but how come it's always the larger people who don't have a right to be "catered to"? And who's making an alternative? Oh, nobody? That's helpful.

"Exactly. Some people shouldn't wear these clothes. Period."

Sorry, who are these "some people" again? You mean bigger people?

"Plus-size people should stop complaining and get to the gym."

Thanks, I'll slot it in after my third trip of the day to McDonalds.

Well, I can't help myself. I feel the need to point out, for Chip, Mike and others, the following:

1. You don't have to be "plus size" (defined as size 16 and up) to not have a gap between your thighs. Here's a great article from Slate on that topic.

2. It's not plus size people's complaints that Chip is responding to, because lululemon does not make plus size clothes. Their largest size is a Size 12, and that is only available in limited styles. I wear tons of lululemon stuff, and there is also tons of lululemon stuff I can't wear. For instance, most lulu shirts and hoodies feature extremely long and thin arms that just don't fit my chubby, stumpy arms.

3. People who do not fit into lululemon or A & F are not necessarily lazy unhealthy people. My friend who wrote the letter to lululemon is not what I would even call plus size. She walks, bikes, does yoga and Pilates, but just cannot fit her gorgeous sexy boobs into one of their shirts.

4. Fat people like to exercise too. I do yoga every day. I dance, I run, I hike. I am not by any means exceptional in this. And fat people who like to exercise also like to have clothes to wear while they are doing said exercise. Sometimes fat people who exercise will, like some of my friends (and like me at some points in my life), turn into thin people who exercise. Sometimes they won't. In my book, if they're trying to be healthy, then that's OK, and they should be able to buy a pair of pants to try to be healthy in.

5. Fat people have jobs and have money to spend in retail therapy, the same as anyone else. Fat people like shopping when they can find stuff that fits them, and like to look good. We would be outraged if The Gap said it wanted to exclude, let's say, all people with acne from wearing their clothes. We wouldn't consider that socially acceptable. So why is it socially acceptable (or defensible, or explainable) to exclude people based on body type?

6. People who are not thin may be so for reasons out of their control and for which they do not "deserve" to be shamed. Hormones, emotional issues, health conditions, genetics - these are all things that affect weight and shape. Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson are not in a position where they can know the story of every potential customer they alienate with their comments. However, you (my friends, my readers) are in a position to know, or to ask, why the people in your life may choose, or not choose, to be the size that they are. You are in the privileged position of being able to ask, listen, empathize and accept. The idea that if you're not thin you're doing something wrong, is well…wrong. And if you accept that idea, or the real-life consequences of that idea (like the exclusionary policies of companies like lululemon and A & F), then you are doing your friends of all sizes a disservice.

So, no, it's not the comments of people like Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson that bother me. I'm bothered by the friends I have who aren't bothered by them. I'm bothered by the people who buy into one idea of beauty. I'm bothered about how size-ist attitudes demonstrated by retailers get reflected in the media, and then get reflected in popular culture, so that people find it perfectly OK to judge or place value on someone because of size (or lack thereof). I'm bothered that looks can limit anyone, in their career, in love, in life. And I'm mostly bothered that my damn yoga pants are see-through.

And to all the retailers out there - I like to shop, I have money to spend, and given that I do yoga every day, I need a lot of yoga pants. Make me a pair that fit, that make me feel good, and that aren't see-through or full of holes within a month (like my last few pairs of lulus) and you'll have my money. Simple as that.

[shawnly1000]

A message from Chip Wilson. - YouTube

[phobchnga]

if a O (without the "H" infront) doesnt fit into the pants then yous just a fat O! BUY BAGGY SWEAT O!

[rsx]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

"It seems to me to me like Business 101: if someone repeatedly makes requests to buy your product, then you can probably assume that if you make it available, they will buy it, and you will make money. If you choose not to make that product available to the people requesting it, then there's something else going on. You are choosing to exclude that market for a reason, usually one to do with what you may call "corporate strategy" or "brand positioning" but what some people, especially those affected, may call just plain prejudice...

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of people feeling "bullied" These private companies can choose to conduct business anyway they see fit. You don't like their business ethics, well don't shop there then. ugh.

I want to drive a Ferrari but why aren't they making one that's affordable? Are they being elitist? No. I'm just not rich enough to buy one, am I going to cry about it and demand income parity? NO.

These are the same self entitled people that watch "Biggest Loser" and feel like the people on the show are winners, when in fact, they just reached the average side of the Bell curve.

That show rewards mediocrity.

Sorry, not a PC response, but I think society's becoming too bubble wrapped.

[parm104]

I'm PISSED that NONE of the clothes at Addition-Elle fit me...and I'm furious that Forever 21 doesn't cater to men...what happened to the rights I've been guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms!? My family didn't immigrate to this country just so I could be discriminated against by the clothing industry in Canada.

[JKam]

I'm pissed that I'm being discriminated by the tampon industry! Men have equal rights too and should be able to use them and marketed to!

Am I doing it right? :badpokerface:

[rsx]

I'm PISSED that NONE of the clothes at Addition-Elle fit me...and I'm furious that Forever 21 doesn't cater to men...what happened to the rights I've been guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms!? My family didn't immigrate to this country just so I could be discriminated against by the clothing industry in Canada.

I do believe Forever21 online sells to men...

:nyan:

[fT-z33wor]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

"It seems to me to me like Business 101: if someone repeatedly makes requests to buy your product, then you can probably assume that if you make it available, they will buy it, and you will make money. If you choose not to make that product available to the people requesting it, then there's something else going on. You are choosing to exclude that market for a reason, usually one to do with what you may call "corporate strategy" or "brand positioning" but what some people, especially those affected, may call just plain prejudice.

Popular American retailer Abercrombie & Fitch came under fire last year when its CEO, Mike Jeffries explained to Salon magazine the company's decision to limit its sizing to Sizes 0 to 10 as part of a corporate-wide strategy to appeal to the "cool" and "attractive" kids, not just implying that if you didn't fit in a Size 10 or smaller, you weren't cool but actually saying their clothes were not for the "fat kids." Chip Wilson, founder of lululemon, noted in a recent interview with Bloomberg TV that "some women's bodies just don't work" with their clothing.


I'm aware that the perception of beauty is dynamic through history, and it's still changing today. Whether it be for better or for worse is debatable, but thats just the cold reality of it.

The article is riddled with her subjective perception of what she felt was fat or thin, or "what she thinks" plus sized is. (actually she straight up says 16+ is plus sized, but penningtons plus sized clothing start their sizes at 14)

I'm not justifying the verbal abuse as a child, but if 9/10 people are saying it, you may want to take a moment to self reflect.

She seems to have a very skewed perception of what thin is compared to the majority of other people, and she reitterates that through out her blog. I just can't help but notice her agenda of, "Hey lets reset the bar or what is considered ideal beauty because it's really unrealistic right now". She just seems bitter. On top of that, I can't help but think what she may consider thin, I may still consider a bit chubby.

"Hey it's not me, it must be the rest of the world". :whistle:

[bcrdukes]

Genetics? WTF is that? :derp:

[fT-z33wor]

Genetics? WTF is that? :derp:

Don't act like you haven't tackled a few in your day. :suspicious:

[parm104]

Genetics? WTF is that? :derp:

I think you mean jean-tics, it's a type of denim that stretches without exposing any sheerness in the crotch area.

--------------------------------------

Translation for women: this new product will allow you to wear an XS when you're normally a XL. And if it doesn't, cry foul play!

[H.Specter]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

"It seems to me to me like Business 101: if someone repeatedly makes requests to buy your product, then you can probably assume that if you make it available, they will buy it, and you will make money. If you choose not to make that product available to the people requesting it, then there's something else going on. You are choosing to exclude that market for a reason, usually one to do with what you may call "corporate strategy" or "brand positioning" but what some people, especially those affected, may call just plain prejudice.

Popular American retailer Abercrombie & Fitch came under fire last year when its CEO, Mike Jeffries explained to Salon magazine the company's decision to limit its sizing to Sizes 0 to 10 as part of a corporate-wide strategy to appeal to the "cool" and "attractive" kids, not just implying that if you didn't fit in a Size 10 or smaller, you weren't cool but actually saying their clothes were not for the "fat kids." Chip Wilson, founder of lululemon, noted in a recent interview with Bloomberg TV that "some women's bodies just don't work" with their clothing.

Ignorant comments such as those made by Jeffries or Wilson are not something new to me. I have been called fat my whole life - even when I wasn't fat. I can't remember how young I was when I was first called fat by other kids - I literally can't remember a time when that didn't happen. I have a picture of a gorgeous 6 year old Dani on my fridge who could never be called fat - and yet that's what was happening at school. And when you hear something often, you start to believe it, and live it. I was fat, so I ate. And the insult became the reality. As a teenager I wanted nothing more than to wear the same clothes as my girlfriends and despaired when, as a 17 year old Size 12, with boobs and hips and a butt, I couldn't fit into the same "baby tees" or low rise jeans. I cried many times in mall dressing rooms feeling fat and unattractive. I went on Weight Watchers for the first time when I was 13, and actually did quite well with the program, but I endured taunts from classmates throughout elementary and high school, regardless of how thin/fat I was at the time, because I had already been labelled "the fat girl." Kids who didn't have better comebacks in our juvenile disagreements often resorted to "Well - you're FAT" to end the discussion. And it usually did, with me in tears.

This prejudice did not go away as I got older. I matured, but society didn't. If I refuse to give money to a panhandler in my Gastown neighbourhood, they will shout after me that I'm fat. I've had drunk guys whose advances I have ignored shout about how fat I am as I walk away from them. I met a record industry insider in the early 2000s when I was younger and desperate for a career as a singer who told me that the reality was, I didn't look like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears and that's what I'd need to look like to make it as a singer. I've been routinely overlooked for parts in theatre because of how I look - even in my early 20s I was being thrown into the "mother" or "old lady" or "funny girl" boat, because how do you cast a big girl, no matter how bright her smile, as the ingenue*? Regardless of whether I've been a size 8, 12, 16, 18 - and I've been them all - these issues still affect me in my adult life. The "fat" label, once affixed, is hardly ever removed. And sometimes we keep it there ourselves: I know even when I've been wearing a Size 2, and been sick and green from starving myself, I've looked in the mirror and still seen a fat person.

So, no, that companies don't want to make clothes for fat people isn't news to me, but perfectly in keeping with my experience as a big person. I don't feel the need to make immediate indignant retorts on Facebook when people like Jeffries or Wilson show their true colours. The message isn't new: Fat isn't cool. Curvy isn't cool. Thin is correct. It is beautiful. Thin is fit, and healthy, and there is no other possible definition of what "fit" or "healthy" can mean. And if companies like Abercrombie and Fitch and lululemon would prefer not to cater to myself or other women who do not fit their size charts, it is their prerogative and I don't have to shop there.

Still, I feel it keenly when a dear friend who I think is beautiful and amazing writes a brave letter to lululemon asking why she can't buy a shirt in their store to wear to her regular Pilates workouts, and receives a flip response about why she does not fit their image of a "target guest." I feel bad for my male friends who have subjected themselves to gruelling workouts and horrendous diets of shakes and pills to live up to some image of "maleness." I have lived this frustration. I've cried those tears, I've fought those battles. 17 year old me would be bitterly disappointed not to have the same clothes as all of my friends. 33 year old me sees it as an opportunity to scour the Interwebs for cool brands and designers who no one else has. It hurts me, but I also have tools at my disposal (mainly income) to help me cope.

So, some women's bodies, bigger women's bodies, "don't work" for Chip Wilson. This isn't news.

What is news to me, and saddening, is how people who I consider intelligent, sensitive and educated - people who know me, and know other bigger people - accept these messages and reinforce them, without a thought to how they affect people they claim to respect and care for. What is news to me is how people who have experienced weight issues themselves, once resolved, show little empathy for others. What is news to me is that the media onslaught of "thin is beautiful" has been internalized so much that smart, caring people reduce weight issues to two causes: gluttony, or laziness, and thus justify exclusions like those made by lululemon and A & F ("Well, if you want to wear these clothes, don't be so lazy. Don't be so fat"), when the reality is that size and weight are so much more complicated, difficult, and sensitive issues.

When the Abercrombie & Fitch story came out, I posted a link to the story on my Facebook and said, "Thanks Abercrombie & Fitch, thanks to companies like you I spent most of my teenage years crying in dressing rooms." I was half kidding, but also serious. A firestorm of comments followed, in which a friend who had lost a considerable amount of weight (and was, in my opinion as a person who has had every kind of eating disorder under the sun at some point or another, unhealthily fixated on her "new"body and "new" self) stated that I should suck it up - that if I wanted to wear A & F, I should just lose weight, or shut up about it. A man who had actually dated me, and so whom I feel reasonably confident in saying thought I was attractive, felt the need to wade in on the comment thread and explain why he preferred thin women. The majority of comments basically expressed that size was that simple: thin is good, fat is bad, and if you want to be thin, don't eat so damn much. Go for a run. And if you're fat, you deserve to be excluded and shouldn't complain. I was willing to wade into this debate, and hear my friends' positions, as appallingly insensitive as I thought they were being (two of those who commented de-friended me after our exchange of comments, incidentally - so perhaps they were more sensitive than I thought?), in the hopes that maybe I could educate them on what it's like to live in my shoes (a "regular" size 7, in case you're wondering. My feet aren't fat).

So today, I read lots of posts by people appalled by Chip Wilson's comments about women's thighs, in particular - and that women's thighs "rubbing together" may be the reason their pants' quality has declined in recent years. What was disappointing to me however were the social media comments that did NOT find his comments appalling and size-ist:

"No man can wear a Speedo either."

Why not?

"Of course he's right, some people shouldn't wear those pants."

Who are "some people"?

"I don't understand why people think that every company has to cater to the needs of every body shape around. If you're plus size you won't look good in it, don't buy it."

Great - but how come it's always the larger people who don't have a right to be "catered to"? And who's making an alternative? Oh, nobody? That's helpful.

"Exactly. Some people shouldn't wear these clothes. Period."

Sorry, who are these "some people" again? You mean bigger people?

"Plus-size people should stop complaining and get to the gym."

Thanks, I'll slot it in after my third trip of the day to McDonalds.

Well, I can't help myself. I feel the need to point out, for Chip, Mike and others, the following:

1. You don't have to be "plus size" (defined as size 16 and up) to not have a gap between your thighs. Here's a great article from Slate on that topic.

2. It's not plus size people's complaints that Chip is responding to, because lululemon does not make plus size clothes. Their largest size is a Size 12, and that is only available in limited styles. I wear tons of lululemon stuff, and there is also tons of lululemon stuff I can't wear. For instance, most lulu shirts and hoodies feature extremely long and thin arms that just don't fit my chubby, stumpy arms.

3. People who do not fit into lululemon or A & F are not necessarily lazy unhealthy people. My friend who wrote the letter to lululemon is not what I would even call plus size. She walks, bikes, does yoga and Pilates, but just cannot fit her gorgeous sexy boobs into one of their shirts.

4. Fat people like to exercise too. I do yoga every day. I dance, I run, I hike. I am not by any means exceptional in this. And fat people who like to exercise also like to have clothes to wear while they are doing said exercise. Sometimes fat people who exercise will, like some of my friends (and like me at some points in my life), turn into thin people who exercise. Sometimes they won't. In my book, if they're trying to be healthy, then that's OK, and they should be able to buy a pair of pants to try to be healthy in.

5. Fat people have jobs and have money to spend in retail therapy, the same as anyone else. Fat people like shopping when they can find stuff that fits them, and like to look good. We would be outraged if The Gap said it wanted to exclude, let's say, all people with acne from wearing their clothes. We wouldn't consider that socially acceptable. So why is it socially acceptable (or defensible, or explainable) to exclude people based on body type?

6. People who are not thin may be so for reasons out of their control and for which they do not "deserve" to be shamed. Hormones, emotional issues, health conditions, genetics - these are all things that affect weight and shape. Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson are not in a position where they can know the story of every potential customer they alienate with their comments. However, you (my friends, my readers) are in a position to know, or to ask, why the people in your life may choose, or not choose, to be the size that they are. You are in the privileged position of being able to ask, listen, empathize and accept. The idea that if you're not thin you're doing something wrong, is well…wrong. And if you accept that idea, or the real-life consequences of that idea (like the exclusionary policies of companies like lululemon and A & F), then you are doing your friends of all sizes a disservice.

So, no, it's not the comments of people like Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson that bother me. I'm bothered by the friends I have who aren't bothered by them. I'm bothered by the people who buy into one idea of beauty. I'm bothered about how size-ist attitudes demonstrated by retailers get reflected in the media, and then get reflected in popular culture, so that people find it perfectly OK to judge or place value on someone because of size (or lack thereof). I'm bothered that looks can limit anyone, in their career, in love, in life. And I'm mostly bothered that my damn yoga pants are see-through.

And to all the retailers out there - I like to shop, I have money to spend, and given that I do yoga every day, I need a lot of yoga pants. Make me a pair that fit, that make me feel good, and that aren't see-through or full of holes within a month (like my last few pairs of lulus) and you'll have my money. Simple as that.

you really expect us to read all that?

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[ajei]

fat people (jailbait warrior) - YouTube

[JaPoola]

George Carlin on Fat People - YouTube

[MR_BIGGS]

I'm PISSED that NONE of the clothes at Addition-Elle fit me...and I'm furious that Forever 21 doesn't cater to men...what happened to the rights I've been guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms!? My family didn't immigrate to this country just so I could be discriminated against by the clothing industry in Canada.

I do believe Forever21 online sells to men...

:nyan:

Forever 21 has men's clothing at some stores. It's shitty, but they have it.

Sometimes I go into stores and try on clothes and the shit doesn't fit. I've got an athletic build and broad shoulders so some some brands just don't match my body type. The ones that do, look good on me. The ones that don't, fuck it. Move on.

Nothing at Top Shop seems to fit me. :okay:I like some of their stuff, but it just doesn't fit.

[Spidey]

Forever 21 has men's clothing at some stores. It's shitty, but they have it.

Sometimes I go into stores and try on clothes and the shit doesn't fit. I've got an athletic build and broad shoulders so some some brands just don't match my body type. The ones that do, look good on me. The ones that don't, fuck it. Move on.

Nothing at Top Shop seems to fit me. :okay:I like some of their stuff, but it just doesn't fit.

I am not a very big guy and I will never be able to fit into slim fit jeans, even though my waist is a 30. My shoulders are broad and my neck size is only a 15. pretty much anything dressy, I will need custom or altered.

[Sid Vicious]

Lol at considering yoga exercise

Why are fat people so angry that most men will never find their flabby asses attractive. Its not the media, its not society lol
Fat people are delusional as fuck too. If they could swap their bodies with a models without any work involved they would in a heartbeat no matter how "proud" they were of their bodies
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[hal0g0dv2]

I am not a very big guy and I will never be able to fit into slim fit jeans, even though my waist is a 30. My shoulders are broad and my neck size is only a 15. pretty much anything dressy, I will need custom or altered.

Tell me about it
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[Jmac]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

"It seems to me to me like Business 101: if someone repeatedly makes requests to buy your product, then you can probably assume that if you make it available, they will buy it, and you will make money. If you choose not to make that product available to the people requesting it, then there's something else going on. You are choosing to exclude that market for a reason, usually one to do with what you may call "corporate strategy" or "brand positioning" but what some people, especially those affected, may call just plain prejudice.

Popular American retailer Abercrombie & Fitch came under fire last year when its CEO, Mike Jeffries explained to Salon magazine the company's decision to limit its sizing to Sizes 0 to 10 as part of a corporate-wide strategy to appeal to the "cool" and "attractive" kids, not just implying that if you didn't fit in a Size 10 or smaller, you weren't cool but actually saying their clothes were not for the "fat kids." Chip Wilson, founder of lululemon, noted in a recent interview with Bloomberg TV that "some women's bodies just don't work" with their clothing.

Ignorant comments such as those made by Jeffries or Wilson are not something new to me. I have been called fat my whole life - even when I wasn't fat. I can't remember how young I was when I was first called fat by other kids - I literally can't remember a time when that didn't happen. I have a picture of a gorgeous 6 year old Dani on my fridge who could never be called fat - and yet that's what was happening at school. And when you hear something often, you start to believe it, and live it. I was fat, so I ate. And the insult became the reality. As a teenager I wanted nothing more than to wear the same clothes as my girlfriends and despaired when, as a 17 year old Size 12, with boobs and hips and a butt, I couldn't fit into the same "baby tees" or low rise jeans. I cried many times in mall dressing rooms feeling fat and unattractive. I went on Weight Watchers for the first time when I was 13, and actually did quite well with the program, but I endured taunts from classmates throughout elementary and high school, regardless of how thin/fat I was at the time, because I had already been labelled "the fat girl." Kids who didn't have better comebacks in our juvenile disagreements often resorted to "Well - you're FAT" to end the discussion. And it usually did, with me in tears.

This prejudice did not go away as I got older. I matured, but society didn't. If I refuse to give money to a panhandler in my Gastown neighbourhood, they will shout after me that I'm fat. I've had drunk guys whose advances I have ignored shout about how fat I am as I walk away from them. I met a record industry insider in the early 2000s when I was younger and desperate for a career as a singer who told me that the reality was, I didn't look like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears and that's what I'd need to look like to make it as a singer. I've been routinely overlooked for parts in theatre because of how I look - even in my early 20s I was being thrown into the "mother" or "old lady" or "funny girl" boat, because how do you cast a big girl, no matter how bright her smile, as the ingenue*? Regardless of whether I've been a size 8, 12, 16, 18 - and I've been them all - these issues still affect me in my adult life. The "fat" label, once affixed, is hardly ever removed. And sometimes we keep it there ourselves: I know even when I've been wearing a Size 2, and been sick and green from starving myself, I've looked in the mirror and still seen a fat person.

So, no, that companies don't want to make clothes for fat people isn't news to me, but perfectly in keeping with my experience as a big person. I don't feel the need to make immediate indignant retorts on Facebook when people like Jeffries or Wilson show their true colours. The message isn't new: Fat isn't cool. Curvy isn't cool. Thin is correct. It is beautiful. Thin is fit, and healthy, and there is no other possible definition of what "fit" or "healthy" can mean. And if companies like Abercrombie and Fitch and lululemon would prefer not to cater to myself or other women who do not fit their size charts, it is their prerogative and I don't have to shop there.

Still, I feel it keenly when a dear friend who I think is beautiful and amazing writes a brave letter to lululemon asking why she can't buy a shirt in their store to wear to her regular Pilates workouts, and receives a flip response about why she does not fit their image of a "target guest." I feel bad for my male friends who have subjected themselves to gruelling workouts and horrendous diets of shakes and pills to live up to some image of "maleness." I have lived this frustration. I've cried those tears, I've fought those battles. 17 year old me would be bitterly disappointed not to have the same clothes as all of my friends. 33 year old me sees it as an opportunity to scour the Interwebs for cool brands and designers who no one else has. It hurts me, but I also have tools at my disposal (mainly income) to help me cope.

So, some women's bodies, bigger women's bodies, "don't work" for Chip Wilson. This isn't news.

What is news to me, and saddening, is how people who I consider intelligent, sensitive and educated - people who know me, and know other bigger people - accept these messages and reinforce them, without a thought to how they affect people they claim to respect and care for. What is news to me is how people who have experienced weight issues themselves, once resolved, show little empathy for others. What is news to me is that the media onslaught of "thin is beautiful" has been internalized so much that smart, caring people reduce weight issues to two causes: gluttony, or laziness, and thus justify exclusions like those made by lululemon and A & F ("Well, if you want to wear these clothes, don't be so lazy. Don't be so fat"), when the reality is that size and weight are so much more complicated, difficult, and sensitive issues.

When the Abercrombie & Fitch story came out, I posted a link to the story on my Facebook and said, "Thanks Abercrombie & Fitch, thanks to companies like you I spent most of my teenage years crying in dressing rooms." I was half kidding, but also serious. A firestorm of comments followed, in which a friend who had lost a considerable amount of weight (and was, in my opinion as a person who has had every kind of eating disorder under the sun at some point or another, unhealthily fixated on her "new"body and "new" self) stated that I should suck it up - that if I wanted to wear A & F, I should just lose weight, or shut up about it. A man who had actually dated me, and so whom I feel reasonably confident in saying thought I was attractive, felt the need to wade in on the comment thread and explain why he preferred thin women. The majority of comments basically expressed that size was that simple: thin is good, fat is bad, and if you want to be thin, don't eat so damn much. Go for a run. And if you're fat, you deserve to be excluded and shouldn't complain. I was willing to wade into this debate, and hear my friends' positions, as appallingly insensitive as I thought they were being (two of those who commented de-friended me after our exchange of comments, incidentally - so perhaps they were more sensitive than I thought?), in the hopes that maybe I could educate them on what it's like to live in my shoes (a "regular" size 7, in case you're wondering. My feet aren't fat).

So today, I read lots of posts by people appalled by Chip Wilson's comments about women's thighs, in particular - and that women's thighs "rubbing together" may be the reason their pants' quality has declined in recent years. What was disappointing to me however were the social media comments that did NOT find his comments appalling and size-ist:

"No man can wear a Speedo either."

Why not?

"Of course he's right, some people shouldn't wear those pants."

Who are "some people"?

"I don't understand why people think that every company has to cater to the needs of every body shape around. If you're plus size you won't look good in it, don't buy it."

Great - but how come it's always the larger people who don't have a right to be "catered to"? And who's making an alternative? Oh, nobody? That's helpful.

"Exactly. Some people shouldn't wear these clothes. Period."

Sorry, who are these "some people" again? You mean bigger people?

"Plus-size people should stop complaining and get to the gym."

Thanks, I'll slot it in after my third trip of the day to McDonalds.

Well, I can't help myself. I feel the need to point out, for Chip, Mike and others, the following:

1. You don't have to be "plus size" (defined as size 16 and up) to not have a gap between your thighs. Here's a great article from Slate on that topic.

2. It's not plus size people's complaints that Chip is responding to, because lululemon does not make plus size clothes. Their largest size is a Size 12, and that is only available in limited styles. I wear tons of lululemon stuff, and there is also tons of lululemon stuff I can't wear. For instance, most lulu shirts and hoodies feature extremely long and thin arms that just don't fit my chubby, stumpy arms.

3. People who do not fit into lululemon or A & F are not necessarily lazy unhealthy people. My friend who wrote the letter to lululemon is not what I would even call plus size. She walks, bikes, does yoga and Pilates, but just cannot fit her gorgeous sexy boobs into one of their shirts.

4. Fat people like to exercise too. I do yoga every day. I dance, I run, I hike. I am not by any means exceptional in this. And fat people who like to exercise also like to have clothes to wear while they are doing said exercise. Sometimes fat people who exercise will, like some of my friends (and like me at some points in my life), turn into thin people who exercise. Sometimes they won't. In my book, if they're trying to be healthy, then that's OK, and they should be able to buy a pair of pants to try to be healthy in.

5. Fat people have jobs and have money to spend in retail therapy, the same as anyone else. Fat people like shopping when they can find stuff that fits them, and like to look good. We would be outraged if The Gap said it wanted to exclude, let's say, all people with acne from wearing their clothes. We wouldn't consider that socially acceptable. So why is it socially acceptable (or defensible, or explainable) to exclude people based on body type?

6. People who are not thin may be so for reasons out of their control and for which they do not "deserve" to be shamed. Hormones, emotional issues, health conditions, genetics - these are all things that affect weight and shape. Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson are not in a position where they can know the story of every potential customer they alienate with their comments. However, you (my friends, my readers) are in a position to know, or to ask, why the people in your life may choose, or not choose, to be the size that they are. You are in the privileged position of being able to ask, listen, empathize and accept. The idea that if you're not thin you're doing something wrong, is well…wrong. And if you accept that idea, or the real-life consequences of that idea (like the exclusionary policies of companies like lululemon and A & F), then you are doing your friends of all sizes a disservice.

So, no, it's not the comments of people like Mike Jeffries and Chip Wilson that bother me. I'm bothered by the friends I have who aren't bothered by them. I'm bothered by the people who buy into one idea of beauty. I'm bothered about how size-ist attitudes demonstrated by retailers get reflected in the media, and then get reflected in popular culture, so that people find it perfectly OK to judge or place value on someone because of size (or lack thereof). I'm bothered that looks can limit anyone, in their career, in love, in life. And I'm mostly bothered that my damn yoga pants are see-through.

And to all the retailers out there - I like to shop, I have money to spend, and given that I do yoga every day, I need a lot of yoga pants. Make me a pair that fit, that make me feel good, and that aren't see-through or full of holes within a month (like my last few pairs of lulus) and you'll have my money. Simple as that. So her blog is essentially pointless ramblings about her low self-esteem ...

What a wonderful, interesting read ... Please provide more [/sarcasm]

[fT-z33wor]

Wearing spandex is a privillege, not a right :lol

[westopher]

So her blog is essentially pointless ramblings about her low self-esteem ...

What a wonderful, interesting read ... Please provide more [/sarcasm]The thing is, so many of the girls that are behind this #realbeautyOMG fucking internet bullshit are the same ones calling models disgusting because they are "too skinny," or calling chicks in bikinis with great bodies "skanks" on shit in my fake book newsfeed

[GS8]

You know, it's stories like this that make it no wonder that the rest of the world makes fun of us.

Fat people blame everything and everyone but themselves. It's never their fault that they went to the McDs and had 3 1/4 pounders.

I'd never fuck a fat person because I can't imagine they'd be able to wipe their asses thoroughly.

[StaxBundlez]

Deuce Bigalow "That's a Huge Bitch" - YouTube

[fT-z33wor]

Some of the best comments on The Province article LOL

"So when you try to put 100lbs into a safeway bag and it rips, its the bags fault and not yours? "

"Wow! I note a lot of men feeling free to comment that too many women shouldn't be wearing lulu's due to their weight....given the way most men dress I highly doubt they should consider themselves an authority on dress codes. Btw I'm 5'7" and 123lbs... My lulu's pill too. I think at the end of the day the product has attained undeserved, overpriced cult status and apparently made Chip too wealthy to censor his thoughts in the spirit of simple kindness."

- "Yea most men dont have their muffin tops, camel toes, gunts, kankles
overflowing out of our clothing....buy a moo moo and call it a day ladies! "

"Haha wearing spandex is a privilege not a rite."

"He is absolutely right!! Ladies quit trying to put a size 18 into size small stretchy pants. Many of the wearers are lucky they dont snap like an elastic band stretched to far. I hate seeing a 300lb women stuff her fat ass into these pants rather than the circus tent they should be wearing. When they are so tight we can see your cellulite looking like cottage cheese in a bag through them take the hint. Perhaps if they were put to the use for which they are designed we wouldnt have to see so many porkchops wearing them as a fashion statement and encountering problems. "

:lawl:

[Nlkko]

"So when you try to put 100lbs into a safeway bag and it rips, its the bags fault and not yours? "


:lawl:
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[Yodamaster]

I fail to see why people are complaining about the size limitations of clothing, certain brands cater to certain people, fucking deal with it.


There are so many ways that this fucked up arguement could be used..

"I cannot fit inside Toyota's smallest car, Toyota is obviously insensitive."

"I cannot fit in economy class seats, Air Canada hates me."

"I broke the swing at the park, the engineers that designed this swingset are dickheads."

[Mr.HappySilp]

You know, it's stories like this that make it no wonder that the rest of the world makes fun of us.

Fat people blame everything and everyone but themselves. It's never their fault that they went to the McDs and had 3 1/4 pounders.

I'd never fuck a fat person because I can't imagine they'd be able to wipe their asses thoroughly.

Went to McDonald's today and the lady behind me order 2 double quarter pounder large fries, large coke and an apple pie......... and is all for her..... no longer she looks huge lol.

[MarkyMark]

You ever notice that the people that eat that way say they do because diets don't work on them so they might as well eat what they want, lol.

[rsx]

I hate extremely fat fucks who order fast food meals and then specify "diet" coke. like wtf? Just go with a regular coke, you fat twat, you ain't fooling anybody!

[xpl0sive]

they probably order diet coke because they have diabetes from being fat fucks... not because they care about the calories

[StylinRed]

I prefer diet coke/pepsi over the regular versions tastes better to me /shrug

i prefer coca-cola with real sugar over diet though

[GS8]

I hate seeing a 300lb women stuff her fat ass into these pants rather than the circus tent they should be wearing.

I laughed way too hard at this

:lawl:

[fT-z33wor]

I laughed way too hard at this

:lawl:

Haahahaha same. I bursted out laughing in public when I reached that particular comment, I had people looking at me all funny :lol

[vvd]

This isn't from me but a friend wrote it on a blog and its a different perspective then we all seem to have.

^This kind of attitude pisses me off.

I'm not taking any post seriously from someone who is 33 and still has the same insecure mentality that they had when they walked into Weight Watchers at the age of 13.

Be comfortable with yourself and stop being externally validated. Period.

The only reason why anyone should be upset with Lululemon/Chip is that such a shitty reason is being used to cover up lack of quality.

"Why are our clothes pilling and wearing out so fast? Because you're fat!"

...

No, Lululemon, it's because you're cheap asses and the materials you use, suck.

[parm104]

The only reason why anyone should be upset with Lululemon/Chip is that such a shitty reason is being used to cover up lack of quality.

"Why are our clothes pilling and wearing out so fast? Because you're fat!"
...
No, Lululemon, it's because you're cheap asses and the materials you use, suck.

Well then how come none of my clothes are pilling? And how come my clothes aren't wearing down? Jackets, pants, gloves and socks, not a single item that I've purchased from that store thus far, dating back as far as 2008, have I run into a problem with...

I must be a bif naked lucky one I guess.

[StylinRed]

Some women in the youtube comments are saying that lululemons sizing is demoralizing to "young girls" and presents the wrong image of what a womens body should be, because a size 0,2,4,... is smaller than a different brands sizing which is more forgiving and so "girls" have to buy sizes larger than their bodies are

:fulloffuck: how is that a fault or problem with lululemon that a size 0 at Addition-Elle fits loose and comfy and is different than lulus measurements for size 0?

sizing isn't standardized and between brands you'll find vastly different hip/chest/waist measurements but none of that matters because lululemon is evil :rolleyes:

[Lowered_Klass]

Well then how come none of my clothes are pilling? And how come my clothes aren't wearing down? Jackets, pants, gloves and socks, not a single item that I've purchased from that store thus far, dating back as far as 2008, have I run into a problem with...

I must be a bif naked lucky one I guess.

+1 (my wifes collection, and the few items I have)

Not sure why people are complaining about quality... especially when Lulu has a great warranty system in place. If you ever have issues with their clothes, return them. Chances are they'll just replace it. (Outside of normal wear and tear).

Pretty simple solution though. Don't like it, don't buy it.

[Soundy]

Some people aren't happy unless they're pissed off at someone else...

[vvd]

Well then how come none of my clothes are pilling? And how come my clothes aren't wearing down? Jackets, pants, gloves and socks, not a single item that I've purchased from that store thus far, dating back as far as 2008, have I run into a problem with...

I must be a bif naked lucky one I guess.

I wouldn't personally know about lulu's quality as I don't shop there and I actually don't agree with the people who are angry at Lululemon. I think Lululemon can do whatever they want, however, I've been told by friends who do shop at Lululemon that the quality has gone down. I don't doubt body type is a contributing factor to premature wear, but if quality really is also an issue, I think it's highly unfair and irresponsible for the company to chalk it all up to essentially: "our clothes wear out because you may be too fat to wear our clothes."

[smoothie.]

they switched to China, end of story
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