[dangonay]

I've noticed several times over the past few months that there are often cops at the ESSO at Lougheed & Willingdon giving out tickets. Usually the officer sits behind the bushes and when the lights turn red he walks out and looks for people using their cell phones at the stop light. Then he motions them into the ESSO parking lot (where his cruiser is parked) and issues a ticket. On some occasions I've seen two cruisers parked in ESSO.

What I'm wondering is why would an operator of a small business (like a gas station) put up with this? You gotta think it's bad for business to have officers giving out tickets while using your parking lot as a "base of operations".

[jaemc]

There is also cops on motorcycles camped at the ESSO @ Burrard and Broadway all the time. They pull people over and return to their original position behind bushes as well.

[Soundy]

I've also seen them at the Lougheed and Willingdon Esso watching for HOV/right-turn-only cheats coming up Willingdon.

Couple thoughts on why the operator "puts up with this":
1. He may get a kick of watching assholes get tickets
2. He may get more business from people who've been pulled over and decide to pop in for a bag of chips afterward
3. He probably doesn't have a choice, as he doesn't actually own the property... kinda like the whole DPS Rage thing, the store owners may not like it, but they probably don't have a lot of say in it.

[123654123]

4. Store owner might not even be present and whoever is working doesn't give two shits because 420YOLOSWAG

Also, I've seen these guys standing in the island hiding behind the concrete segments. They even pulled a BMW over and had him drive up onto the island from the left turn only lane to give him a ticket :lawl:

[VR6GTI]

They also hide behind the large cement pillars that hold up the sky train tracks at that intersection. Its a long light and people always pull out there phones to check messages and boom a cop pops out of nowhere and you get a ticket.
I assume the business cant do anything about it.

[punkwax]

I got busted at a red light on Willingdon and Canada Way, they hide at that Chevron quite often as well..

[melloman]

4. Store owner might not even be present and whoever is working doesn't give two shits because 420YOLOSWAG

Also, I've seen these guys standing in the island hiding behind the concrete segments. They even pulled a BMW over and had him drive up onto the island from the left turn only lane to give him a ticket :lawl:

They pull you over saying your too low.. then they tell you to drive up onto the island.. if you can't or refuse.. they'll give you a ticket/VI for being "too low."

They sit where-ever the fuck they want.. Your a business owner and you tell them to :gtfo: expect them to laugh at you when you call saying someone just robbed your store.

Police. :2finger2:

[melloman]

I got busted at a red light on Willingdon and Canada Way, they hide at that Chevron quite often as well..

Or at the Shell watching for HOV/right turn cheaters.

[Soundy]

Police. :2finger2:

Note to self: if looking for a car to steal, choose melloman's, because you know he'll never call the cops.

[Edison_Chen]

I saw the same thing yesterday around 1130 in the morning in Richmond on the corner of Garden City and Westminster. One RCMP was just sitting at the corner and looking around. After the intersection there were 2 other RCMP pulling over the people who were using the phones at the intersection.
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[radioman]

Just before Clark on Hastings heading west bound. Getting those cellphone users and bus lane users :troll:

SLK AMG cut me off and then got pulled into the lot for using the bus lane :fullofwin:

[hchang]

I got busted at a red light on Willingdon and Canada Way, they hide at that Chevron quite often as well..

Yeah I got caught there too.

Most common one I see is behind the sky train pillars Lougheed and Willingdon

They also hide going up the hill (Southbound) Boundary at Kingsway.
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[GG]

most retarded law ever

if people cant multi task by holding a phone while driving than certainly they cant drive stick

cuz anything in their hand other than steering wheel is gonna make them crash, well hell they might as well as deserve to drive themself into the wall. because they shouldnt be driving in the first place

this is one of those retarded bullshit law that i can never understand, therefore not a single day have i comply with this bs. yes i use my cell everyday while driving and for the past 13 years i still remain as a road star accident free driver


i can understand texting can be dangerous, but the pigs who catch ppl while texting at a red light? wtf ? people are completely stopped, wat am i suppose to do? jack off in the car waiting for the gay ass light.? bitch plz
:ilied:



if people cant drive while talking on phone, than clearly they shouldnt be allowed to carry passengers. They are a distraction ex:listening music

BJ, make up, are all suicide missions
n terms of public safety

[radioman]

I get what you're trying to say but comparing driving stick and using a cellphone is a bit silly.

When was the last time you stared at your stick (huehuehue) while changing gears?

[GG]

I get what you're trying to say but comparing driving stick and using a cellphone is a bit silly.

When was the last time you stared at your stick (huehuehue) while changing gears?



sometimes once in a blue moon i do look down, forget what gear im in



talking on cell u can do voice dial, and just hold it against ur phone. so 99.9999999% of the time u are looking forward, not looking at ur crotch if u get my drift

people need to learn how to fucking drive, not make up some bs law and try to milk us aka the bullshit that towing the owners vehicle when u do 120km. Americans must be laughing their ass off at us with this speeeedddddd killlllls whore shit

[fearlesss]

i totally agree with you but some people cant drive while talking to passengers, and its more dangerous if they are on phone.
the law is for those drivers can not multi task

i find its funny some people thought its legal to talk on speaker phone while driving:moderatorban:

[inv4zn]

This also happens at North Road @ Lougheed Hwy.

Cops camp out in the Wings parking lot and just wander around traffic looking for cell phone users lol

[Soundy]

cuz anything in their hand other than steering wheel is gonna make them crash, well hell they might as well as deserve to drive themself into the wall. because they shouldnt be driving in the first place
Nobody gives a shit if you drive into a wall all by yourself.

Unless that wall belongs to a Tom Hortons downtown, then the owners of that wall might give a shit... and the people sitting inside...

[GG]

i totally agree with you but some people cant drive while talking to passengers, and its more dangerous if they are on phone.
the law is for those drivers can not multi task

i find its funny some people thought its legal to talk on speaker phone while driving:moderatorban:



i have a friend who is like tat, needless to say...i do not ride with her. not in a million years


this is the thing, fucking implant the driver license PROPERLY. So we dont have joe blow driving into restaurants, and fucking 7 eleven. My point is there are a million things that can distract you. Its not just talking on cell/text that is dangerous

I spend 2 hrs + a day on the road, i witness all kinds of fucked up shit

putting on make up, eating with both hands, change clothes, listening music in a really loud manner, changing lane without signaling/shoulder check etc etc etc the list goes on

[GG]

Nobody gives a shit if you drive into a wall all by yourself.

Unless that wall belongs to a Tom Hortons downtown, then the owners of that wall might give a shit... and the people sitting inside...

do i look like i give a fuck about wat u say? mr cop wonna be on every single one of ur post

i hope u get rear end by a semi

[4444]

just my 2 cents, no one has to care, but this really aggravates me.

cops here are sleazy, hiding and popping out for something like a stopped cell phone check, don't get me wrong, i like the no cell phone use rule, but i think a little bit of common sense should prevail here, but no, the cops see it as a money grab, they are not after our best interests (which is their job, to uphold laws for the betterment of the democratic people).

in the UK, traffic cops are not plain clothes greaseballs like they are here, highway patrols are in bright coloured vehicles on raised platforms - if you get caught, it really is your fault. traffic cameras are marked - with warnings on how far away they are on street signs, again, if you get caught, your bad.

i can't stand how much of a police state we live in. i just got back from a 2 week business trip to Europe (majority in the UK), was so refreashing, driving at 80mph on the motorways, in the slow lane, being passed by people going 90mph, and cops driving at 80mph not giving a fuck about everyone driving safely and normally at a reasonable speed for the conditions - here, 10mph above the limit, you run a LARGE risk of a cop giving you a ticket, even if everyone is driving at the speed.

we do not live in a free society, our police do not have our best interests at heart, they do not ever show common sense, and apparently have money as a driving factor in their actions within their role.

this is why ppl need to travel, to see how other societies are run, for the better and worse - the cops here are some of the worst i've seen (the states is a different story, but i actually prefer them, even though most of power hungry and crazy)

[GG]

and here we have soundy the pig cock sucker gonna tell u tat hey the police is doing their job, protect and serve blah blah blah with his none sense rambling on and on

if u do 51km in the city, u go to jail bad boy

[meme405]

Police are at both lougheed and willingdon as well as canada way at willingdon extremely often. I'm talking like every week they will be at one of these spots at some point checking people for seat belts, cell phones, red light runners, HOV lane abusers, etc.

The reason they are at these two intersections so often is because they are notorious for accidents.

At the canada way intersection, they often hide in either of the gas stations or even the BCIT parking lot, and then one officer hides somewhere and watches people.

At the lougheed intersection its much the same story I have seen them at the esso and the petro canada.

[Soundy]

cops here are sleazy, hiding and popping out for something like a stopped cell phone check,
And people aren't just as sleazy, looking for any way they can to skirt the law just because they don't think it should apply to them? Disputing things they know they're guilty of and tying up the courts just on the hope that the cop won't show and they can get away with it?

don't get me wrong, i like the no cell phone use rule, but i think a little bit of common sense should prevail here, but no, the cops see it as a money grab, they are not after our best interests (which is their job, to uphold laws for the betterment of the democratic people).
People have some pretty skewed ideas of what "democratic" means these days. Hint: it doesn't mean YOU get YOUR way at the expense of everyone else. It means I can drive (or walk) safely down the street without having to worry about the chance of some texting moron running into me.

It's pretty fuckin' simple: don't do it, and you'll never have to pay into their "cash grab". Problem solved, and everyone is happier, except maybe your boyfriend who has to wait an extra few minutes for his sexting blowjob.

and here we have soundy the pig cock sucker gonna tell u tat hey the police is doing their job, protect and serve blah blah blah with his none sense rambling on and on

if u do 51km in the city, u go to jail bad boy
All except you, of course, because we all know that NO laws apply to you, and you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want.

:lawl:

(adds GG's car to the list, no way he'll ever be calling the pigs when it goes missing...)

[Soundy]

do i look like i give a fuck about wat u say? mr cop wonna be on every single one of ur post

i hope u get rear end by a semi

:suspicious: :lawl: :lawl:

Get back to me when you hit puberty.

[jjson]

4. Store owner might not even be present and whoever is working doesn't give two shits because 420YOLOSWAG

Also, I've seen these guys standing in the island hiding behind the concrete segments. They even pulled a BMW over and had him drive up onto the island from the left turn only lane to give him a ticket :lawl:

THIS!

I've seen this many many many times.

[nma]

:suspicious: :lawl: :lawl:

Get back to me when you hit puberty.

LOL looks like you hit a soft spot or something. Why would you want anyone to get rear ended by a semi? What a retard...

I got a ticket once for picking up my phone to check if it was charging at a red light (it was just laying on my seat). I don't even need to use my phone, I have bluetooth. The cop gave me a ticket anyways, I didn't argue because it was really pointless. Although I do agree the law is quite dumb, it really makes sense because I see so many retards driving while playing with their phones and most of the time they are either going super slow or not really paying attention to the road.


sometimes once in a blue moon i do look down, forget what gear im in



talking on cell u can do voice dial, and just hold it against ur phone. so 99.9999999% of the time u are looking forward, not looking at ur crotch if u get my drift

people need to learn how to fucking drive, not make up some bs law and try to milk us aka the bullshit that towing the owners vehicle when u do 120km. Americans must be laughing their ass off at us with this speeeedddddd killlllls whore shit


That is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just because you're looking forward doesn't mean you're concentrated on driving. How many times have you seen some idiot on the phone driving 45 in a 60? Also, if you need to look down to see what gear you're in, you're probably doing something wrong. Laws are put in place to ensure that the AVERAGE person drives safely. Not everyone is a race car driver and multi-tasking genius like you. Most people are barely able to drive properly while having no distractions what so ever.

what the hell is whore shit?

[Soundy]

what the hell is whore shit?
Ask GG's mom :troll:

[4444]

And people aren't just as sleazy, looking for any way they can to skirt the law just because they don't think it should apply to them? Disputing things they know they're guilty of and tying up the courts just on the hope that the cop won't show and they can get away with it?



then its a race to the bottom with that attitude, who can out sleaze each other. the police, politicians, etc. should be held to a higher standard.

the only police agency i've had mostly good dealings with are delta pd, except for one time they gave my father a ticket for not indicating when he did (we were all in the car, and he would have no reason not to indicate - that one still boggles the mind).

vpd act like bullies, rcmp are the police version of a union - they just act with no honour, and do not act in the best interest of the people, they act for the best interest of their 'group'

[westopher]

do i look like i give a fuck about wat u say? mr cop wonna be on every single one of ur post

i hope u get rear end by a semi
You sound like a fucking dipshit.
I hope you learn how to spell and articulate your thoughts better than a 13 year old with behavioural problems.

[dared3vil0]

Ask GG's mom :troll:

Don't stoop to his level...

[dared3vil0]

do i look like i give a fuck about wat u say? mr cop wonna be on every single one of ur post

i hope u get rear end by a semi

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.11907026.4950/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

[boostfever]

They do this in West van all the time, at Esso on Marine and 15th. is this some sort of a deal they have with Esso stations?

correction to above statement, they only stand there when it's nice and sunny out. :|

[westopher]

I'm quite surprised at who I most often see on their phones while driving. Its more likely to see a 45 year old man than a 20 year old girl. I lectured some guy in front of his wife at a light to try and steer his porsche without holding his phone in the centre of the wheel. I mean, picking up your phone at a light is no big deal, but browsing while you are driving down burrard at 60? Don't be stupid. Lots happens on the roads in vancouver. Even if you are fucking michael schumacher you can't predict all the stupid that happens. People spend like 600 bucks every year for the newest biphone, so get a fucking bluetooth headunit.

[Acura604]

hmmm been taking quite a few chances at red lights... I think going forward starting today, phone is in backseat out of my reach but well within Bluetooth range. a ticket for something like this cant be fought and I would not want to be out that kinda ca$h monies!

BUTTTTT....how is it any different than me selecting an MP3 tune off the navigation screen..or better yet, entering navigation data such as addresses etc.

[snails]

hmmm been taking quite a few chances at red lights... I think going forward starting today, phone is in backseat out of my reach but well within Bluetooth range. a ticket for something like this cant be fought and I would not want to be out that kinda ca$h monies!

BUTTTTT....how is it any different than me selecting an MP3 tune off the navigation screen..or better yet, entering navigation data such as addresses etc.

ah, you arnt allowed to do those things either, car manufactures are forced into making things like that very simple to access once on the road "assuming you have already setup your destination while in park"

if they dont get you for driving while using a handheld/electronic device they will get you with a distracted while driving or driving without consideration charge..

[thumper]

the mohawk station at the corner of edmonds and canada way is popular for a cop that is usually either hiding behind the hedge or standing in plain sight and drivers still cut through the gas station or run the light right in front of him. and there is a red light camera at this intersection too.

sometimes it's so bad the station looks like a parking lot and no one is there to buy gas...

[melloman]

do i look like i give a fuck about wat u say? mr cop wonna be on every single one of ur post

i hope u get rear end by a semi

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1969420/u-mad-o.gif

[Edison_Chen]

I saw the same thing yesterday around 1130 in the morning in Richmond on the corner of Garden City and Westminster. One RCMP was just sitting at the corner and looking around. After the intersection there were 2 other RCMP pulling over the people who were using the phones at the intersection.
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The RCMP are at the same location again but around 215pm today.
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[jnesss]

i used to see cops in the parking lot of superstore at rupert and granview. once you turn in, it'll appear as though the officer is just directing traffic, but he's actually pulling you over for not wearing your seatbelt.

[snails]

cops sit at 200th st and 64th ave "willowbrook dr" and scope out people while in heavy traffic or at the red lights "i believe it is 4 lanes" they will just walk up to the car tap on the window and issue a ticket in the middle of traffic. they wont even have the driver move the car over.. so already shitty Langley traffic is made considerably worse :D

[Speed2K]

Police are at both lougheed and willingdon as well as canada way at willingdon extremely often. I'm talking like every week they will be at one of these spots at some point checking people for seat belts, cell phones, red light runners, HOV lane abusers, etc.

The reason they are at these two intersections so often is because they are notorious for accidents.

At the canada way intersection, they often hide in either of the gas stations or even the BCIT parking lot, and then one officer hides somewhere and watches people.

At the lougheed intersection its much the same story I have seen them at the esso and the petro canada.

My office overlooks the Chevron at Willingdon and Canada Way. I used to see them at this gas station all the time; I haven't seen them around since they added the second turn lane to Canada Way though. It could be because all the shrubbery that was right in front of the station is gone and they have no where to hide. I still see them at the Shell station from time to time, and even at the corner near BCIT pretending to be pedestrians.

When they are there they stay for hours. I recall looking out the window a few times during the day from 11am to 4pm and the cops are still there.

I do think it's shady for them to target people at a stop light, but unfortunately some people can't put there phones down. I recall driving along the Arthur Laing and the car in front of me was drifting left to right in the fast lane, when she drifted to the left I quickly pulled up beside the car and sure enough the driver had a phone in her hand. I tapped the horn and she throws her phone into the passenger footwell. :seriously: I could only shake my head.

[freakshow]

The way i look at it is if you aren't paying enough attention while on the phone to see the cruiser/officer, then you deserve the ticket anyways.

[nma]

The way i look at it is if you aren't paying enough attention while on the phone to see the cruiser/officer, then you deserve the ticket anyways.

lol not a good way to look at it. They hide behinds poles / bushes

[DragonChi]

Anyone one here been stick behind a car on a fresh green because the driver in front was on their phone?

Just because you're stopped doesn't mean you don't have to pay attention. That's the main difference between having music, or driving stick. That's why they call it DISTRACTED driving.

The tactics that the cops use might be sleazy but People on their cellphones while driving piss me off so much, I'm happy they're doing something about it.

[The_AK]

spotted a few esso-holes (hue hue hue) at the richmond location (westminster and garden city)

[Great68]

then its a race to the bottom with that attitude, who can out sleaze each other. the police, politicians, etc. should be held to a higher standard.

the only police agency i've had mostly good dealings with are delta pd, except for one time they gave my father a ticket for not indicating when he did (we were all in the car, and he would have no reason not to indicate - that one still boggles the mind).

vpd act like bullies, rcmp are the police version of a union - they just act with no honour, and do not act in the best interest of the people, they act for the best interest of their 'group'

What pisses me off are things like I saw last summer...
Accident on the malahat, traffic is bumper to bumper, literally crawling forward at 2km/h, people are calling their loved ones to tell them that the're going to be extremely late getting home, and you get a pig fucker motorcycle cop cruising down the shoulder lane looking out for those people and pulling them over.

Yeah, I get that the law is the law, but it's a fucking BAD law when it doesn't differentiate a situation like that where the worst case scenario might be that someone bumps into another and puts a few scratches on their bumper vs someone texting at 100km/h on the highway that can smash up their car pretty bad and kill everyone inside & others on the highway too. The cops are assholes for enforcing it like one situation is equal to the other in terms of threat to public safety. THAT'S what makes it a fucking money grab..

[Soundy]

then its a race to the bottom with that attitude, who can out sleaze each other.
So why be part of the problem?

Thing is, at this point, nobody has an excuse for NOT knowing the law... yet many still push it because they think they can get away with it (or like some here, because they think they're exempt from the law). If they weren't trying to skirt the law at every turn, cops wouldn't NEED to be tricky to catch them at it, which would leave them free for other duties.

[vafanculo]

Happening as we speak at the shell at Canada way/willingdon.

Saw the same cop I saw last week pulling someone over just now again
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[4444]

So why be part of the problem?

Thing is, at this point, nobody has an excuse for NOT knowing the law... yet many still push it because they think they can get away with it (or like some here, because they think they're exempt from the law). If they weren't trying to skirt the law at every turn, cops wouldn't NEED to be tricky to catch them at it, which would leave them free for other duties.

I'm not part of the problem, I, u like 95% of road users, take driving very seriously. Using a phone while driving was illegal in England a long time ago, I came here with that mentality, along with no drinking and driving (I find ppl are way too lax on that too).

Cops don't need to stoop so low, they want to, as it's an easy money maker

[46_valentinor]

i agree with 4444 where he said that the cops don't have the best interest in citizens here. Just last week, i stalled my car in an intersection and couldn't get the car to start again due to a bad battery during rush hour on nanaimo and 1st avenue. i saw a cop hiding behind a bush by a chevron so i walked up to him and asked him if he can help me out, he straight up said "go find someone else, don't ask me". In the end, an employee from chevron came out to help push my car out of the intersection with cars cutting us off, while the whole time the cop just stood behind the bush and did nothing.

[4444]

i agree with 4444 where he said that the cops don't have the best interest in citizens here. Just last week, i stalled my car in an intersection and couldn't get the car to start again due to a bad battery during rush hour on nanaimo and 1st avenue. i saw cop hiding behind a bush by a chevron so i walked up to him and asked him if he can help me out, he straight up said "go find someone else, don't ask me". In the end, an employee from chevron came out to help push my car out of the intersection with cars cutting us off, while the whole time the cop just stood behind the bush and did nothing.

Ppl will say 'he doesn't have to help' and I agree, but, common courtesy, easing everyone's trip home, and helping a citizen out safely should have forced the cop to want to help.

[46_valentinor]

Ppl will say 'he doesn't have to help' and I agree, but, common courtesy, easing everyone's trip home, and helping a citizen out safely should have forced the cop to want to help.
if my car was not stalled in the intersection and on the side of the road, sure don't help as im not causing much harm. but i was stalled right in the intersection, cars were honking, cars were cutting me off from the left turn lane, cars were confused as to why traffic was hardly moving so they drove aggressively the moment they saw an opportunity to move. My safety was in danger and even more importantly the chevron employee could have gotten nailed dead by an idiot. if safety wasn't a concern, sure he doesn't have to but when safety becomes a factor, i think thats enough reason for him to be responsible. ultimately, they are role models and their main attribute to society should be keeping citizens safe. When that cop rather stayed behind his little bush and did jack all rather than doing what he was suppose to do, keeping citizens safe, then he shouldn't be wearing a badge.

[dL]

I've also seen it on Barnet and Lougheed where they hide at the Coq Cen parking lot bushes.

My friend once got waved to get a ticket but because he is turning left instead of going straight, they weren't able to pull him over haha.

dL

[Soundy]

I'm not part of the problem, I, u like 95% of road users, take driving very seriously. Using a phone while driving was illegal in England a long time ago, I came here with that mentality, along with no drinking and driving (I find ppl are way too lax on that too).

Cops don't need to stoop so low, they want to, as it's an easy money maker

Well then you have nothing to worry about, do you?

Why would the average traffic cop care if it's a money maker? It's not like they see a cut of it. Besides, I'll point out yet again the fundamental flaw with the "cash grab" theory: if all these enforcement campaigns actually succeeded and people actually stopped doing this stupid shit, the revenue stream would dry up; enforcement blitzes would be counter-productive to the plan.

[dared3vil0]

The thing that's annoying is there generally isn't much thought to the process of handing out tickets, what i mean by that is YES you're technically guilty if you pull out your phone for 5 seconds at a red light to check if you have any missed calls/texts. However, you get the same penalty as the guy yapping away on his phone while driving in a blizzard. IDK.

[DragonChi]

Can't your texts or calls wait 15-20 minutes until you get to where you are or decide to pull over if it's that important. I don't think it'd be worth a ticket just to check.

And even so, when most people look at their phones they end up reading or responding to messages.

[dared3vil0]

Wasn't my point, what i mean is there should be severity levels to the electronic device use tickets.

[SumAznGuy]

Just saw a cop with a clip board dressed like a bum with a safety vest on, at the corner of Broundry and Grandview hwy in front of the Wendy's. He was walking up and down the street looking into the cars to see which drivers were on their electronic devices.
This was around 8:30 tonight.

[Yodamaster]

I don't see how this tactic isn't in the best interest of the public, I've been stuck behind enough idiots at green lights to know that it's a problem. Whenever I need to use the phone, I pull onto a side road and park, then grab my phone.

How simple is that, and yet people still bitch and complain when they get caught by any means necessary, doing something that they know could end up being a ticket. I have a hard time processing why people argue over something as straight forward as this.

It doesn't matter how long you picked up your phone for, or what you did with it, you still used your phone while operating a motor vehicle, IT'S AS FUCKING SIMPLE AS THAT.

[Timpo]

I've also seen them at the Lougheed and Willingdon Esso watching for HOV/right-turn-only cheats coming up Willingdon.

Couple thoughts on why the operator "puts up with this":
1. He may get a kick of watching assholes get tickets
2. He may get more business from people who've been pulled over and decide to pop in for a bag of chips afterward
3. He probably doesn't have a choice, as he doesn't actually own the property... kinda like the whole DPS Rage thing, the store owners may not like it, but they probably don't have a lot of say in it.

Well maybe he gets in trouble for "obstruction of justice"

When police officers are trying to do their job, you tell them to go away, would that count as an obstruction of justice?

I know this is a different scenario, what if there's a hostage in your neighbor, officers hide behind your backyard, and are you allowed to tell them to go away and get out of your property?

[mac25]

why does it always have to be a blanket law? why not look at a persons driving record. it could bee just like the L or N signs. there could even be a section in the driving test to see if you have the ability to use a phone safely. if a police officer suspected an individual of not being able to use a phone while driving they could run the plate and see if the vehicle's owner has a restriction against phone use, just like when they run N drivers for not using he N.

speaker phone is the same as having a friend in the car but i do agree with texting being restricted.

I check my phone for the time while driving, should this be against the law? it probably is with the ill-thought blanket law but the motion is no different from checking a traditional watch.

[Great68]

why does it always have to be a blanket law? why not look at a persons driving record.

Because politicians and enforcement are LAZY.

It's far easier to write & uphold a blanket law versus a law that requires thought and reason.

[dvst8]

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[Soundy]

Actually, I don't know why they felt the need to come up with a specific law for this rather than simply enforcing existing "Drive without due care" laws... again, probably because people DIDN'T GET THE POINT and figured that one didn't apply to them.

[melloman]

Lots of arguing.. :considered:

I understand both sides, people get angry for someone using their phone at a red light, because they don't pay enough attention to see the light turn green. If someone doesn't notice the light turning green, they won't notice the car that stopped infront of them while they are doing 60km/h in a 50 zone.

Thus cops can easily justify the cash grab by sitting at intersections trying to catch people. But that's all it is, a simple cash grab. Once they put on plain clothes and start doing it at red lights, there's no harm to others.. except being abit late if someone holds up a green light.

Compare it to speed traps.. they are a 100% cash grab. If police really wanted to make people slow down, and not profit. They would just leave a cruiser out where people are speeding. You don't even need an officer half the time, traffic will just generally slow down.

[Acura604]

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[Zordon]

I think it's pretty simple, if you don't want a ticket, don't use your phone in the car. If you need to, pull over, turn off your car.

Cash grab or not, it's another way to discourage drivers from picking up their phones and using it.

Taking a step back, it's crazy how attached people are with their devices... it's going to get worse if we start using google glass devices as well.

[Acura604]

^^ what I don't get is how people BLATANTLY defy this law.. as in, its so obvious... phone to the head and gabbing away... I see it EVERYDAY at least 5 instances.

[4444]

Just saw a cop with a clip board dressed like a bum with a safety vest on, at the corner of Broundry and Grandview hwy in front of the Wendy's. He was walking up and down the street looking into the cars to see which drivers were on their electronic devices.
This was around 8:30 tonight.

This disgusts me, do people not know the term "fair cop"? Obviously the local constabulary have not.

What other profession allows you to hide, dress up, and sleaze around and still expect respect? I always used to hate the term 'pigs' for police, but as I've experienced shit like this, I've lost all respect for police here.

I still respect for British police, only ever had good experience with them. Have very little for Canadian police, outside of the delta pd (they've shown common sense whenever I've dealt with them), the rest do not act appropriately or in a manner that deserves respect of the average person

[Nlkko]

And how do you write up a law that specifies the severity of the tickets? Depends on how fast the car is going? Who to set a "cellphone speed limit" then? On the weather? That's a hard one too. Determined at the discretion of the officer? Sure we'll have a field day with this one is. There's so many grey areas. Point is the law tell everyone not to use the phone, and it was made clear to everyone before it was enforced. It's not like they didnt tell you, then proceed to jump out of a bush and ticket you for "driving without due care" for using your phone.
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[Great68]

Point is the law tell everyone not to use the phone, and it was made clear to everyone before it was enforced.
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Wrong. The real point of the law was to increase road safety. To make the public perceive that people on the phone were getting into crashes and killing people.

Except that no one is going to die when someone is on the phone waiting for the light to change in a left turn lane, or sitting in bumper to bumper traffic.

This is where enforcement is going beyond the actual intent of the law.

If they really were enforcing the intent of the law, they would be patrolling the highways and pulling people over there, not people stopped at intersections.

But that takes EFFORT. Heaven forbid.

As a driver, I get just as pissed off at that oblivious fuck on the highway that's on the phone and drifting between lanes like they're drunk.

The problem is that it's THOSE people that aren't getting pulled over.

[DragonChi]

True, those people texting while driving on the highway are the hazards. Those people would be the one texting while stopped too, right?

You could say lazy, but I say efficient. You could grab a bunch of people in a stop light rather than chasing someone down one by one.

Ok, so if it was OK to use your phone at a left turn signal or bumper to bumper traffic, but not anytime else. How would you enforce that?

[Soundy]

Thus cops can easily justify the cash grab by sitting at intersections trying to catch people. But that's all it is, a simple cash grab. Once they put on plain clothes and start doing it at red lights, there's no harm to others.. except being abit late if someone holds up a green light.

Compare it to speed traps.. they are a 100% cash grab. If police really wanted to make people slow down, and not profit. They would just leave a cruiser out where people are speeding. You don't even need an officer half the time, traffic will just generally slow down.
So tell me this: if the system isn't going to hit you in the pocketbook for breaking laws that are created to ensure *EVERYONE'S* safety on the road... then how are you going to penalize people? Are cops supposed to just give you a dirty look and a stern warning if you're caught doing 30k over the limit while texting? People would laugh in their faces and go right ahead doing it.

So what else would you recommend to give drivers the idea that their actions are unacceptable? Maybe instead of cash fines, we should just impound their cars for a while... make them sit on the side of the road and think about it, say an extra hour for every 10k over the limit? So if you're doing 80 in a 50 zone, you just sit there in the penalty box for three hours, and then you can be on your way? How about public shaming - no fine, but you get your picture in the paper on a dedicated "Assholes of the Road" page?

If you tell people something is unacceptable to society as a whole, and they insist on doing it anyway, you have to apply something that will get their attention and maybe hurt a little so they get the message, and will hopefully not do it again for fear of getting told again... now, public floggings would be a great plan, but I doubt that one would survive a constitutional challenge...

So unless you have a better, workable, and effective idea... a monetary fine it is.

It's only a "cash grab" if giving up the cash is unavoidable... fortunately, traffic VTs are 100% avoidable IF YOU'RE NOT A WHINY, SELF-CENTERED LITTLE BITCH.

[dared3vil0]

Soundy... I respect where you're coming from but can you stop shoving your views down other people's throats? Especially while being so hypocritical... "NEVER EVER BREAK LAWS" yet i guarantee you that you drove at 51/km/h today in a 50, and do i need to bring up all the trespassing violations with that snazzy YJ (YJ, right? I forget) of yours...

[Soundy]

Nowhere did I ever say "NEVER EVER BREAK LAWS".

Go back and turn on your reading comprehension.

[dared3vil0]

public floggings would be a great plan

So you're saying if someone commits a moving violation, they should be subjected to capital punishment? What the hell is wrong with you?

IF YOU'RE NOT A WHINY, SELF-CENTERED LITTLE BITCH.

Nvm, it's your anger issues.

[punkwax]

Have very little for Canadian police, outside of the delta pd (they've shown common sense whenever I've dealt with them), the rest do not act appropriately or in a manner that deserves respect of the average person

I've had the exact opposite experience with Delta police myself.. won't bring up my personal experiences but I used to work in Delta and remember a group of young kids came in all depressed because each one of them got a ticket for jaywalking. There were no legal crosswalks for at least a km in each direction from where they were ticketed :lol

I already had a negative impression of them and that story cemented it.

[Nlkko]

True, those people texting while driving on the highway are the hazards. Those people would be the one texting while stopped too, right?

You could say lazy, but I say efficient. You could grab a bunch of people in a stop light rather than chasing someone down one by one.

Ok, so if it was OK to use your phone at a left turn signal or bumper to bumper traffic, but not anytime else. How would you enforce that?

My point exactly. It cannot be enforced without introducing many grey areas that would just cause more abuse on the traffic violation dispute system.

Also people seems to fixate on the potential misinformation that the cops is writing only "cellphone tickets". He could have been looking for all kind of violations and "cellphone tickets" is just one of them.

I don't understand why people gets so riled up over this law. In-car electronics are so advanced nowadays you don't even have to pick up the phone to check for a missed calls or texts. Unless you're browsing facebook or the interwebs too?

[mac25]

I still don't agree with this law being used for people talking on the phone. If it's next to your ear then it shouldn't be a ticket. if it's in your lap and you're using your eyes while texting or googling or what ever takes your eyes away from the road, then it should be a ticket.

[46_valentinor]

I still don't agree with this law being used for people talking on the phone. If it's next to your ear then it shouldn't be a ticket. if it's in your lap and you're using your eyes while texting or googling or what ever takes your eyes away from the road, then it should be a ticket.
but you still need to pick up the phone, look at it then touch the talk button. If the law was written the way you had it then everyone who has a cellphone next to their ears are basically admitting guilty to breaking the law.

honestly imo, i really don't need politicians to tell me what i have the capability to do and what i can't do. i do things within my own comfort level. If i get a ticket for being on the phone, speeding, etc then so be it.
its not illegal until you get caught and unfortunately, its just a big game of hide and seek.

[Marco911]

most retarded law ever

if people cant multi task by holding a phone while driving than certainly they cant drive stick

cuz anything in their hand other than steering wheel is gonna make them crash, well hell they might as well as deserve to drive themself into the wall. because they shouldnt be driving in the first place

I support this law. The statistics show that distracted driving is the 2nd leading cause of accidents. The human brain is incapable of true multi-tasking. We can merely rapidly switch our attention from one task to the other. (Try playing tetris on two devices at the same time to see what I mean).

What people think is multi-tasking, is really your brain operating on auto pilot (subconscious), while your attentive brain can only focus on one task at a time.

If your brain is on autopilot, your reaction time to emergencies and your ability to process information that requires attention slows considerably. Most people drive on auto pilot, thus they think they can focus their attention on other things like their mobile phone. This is very dangerous.

I happen to think driving the speed limit also places the human brain in auto pilot mode. I drive aggressively and my attention is always focussed on threats around. I do not allow myself to get distracted by mobile devices.

[Marco911]

I still don't agree with this law being used for people talking on the phone. If it's next to your ear then it shouldn't be a ticket. if it's in your lap and you're using your eyes while texting or googling or what ever takes your eyes away from the road, then it should be a ticket.

If you're using a handsfree device you won't get a ticket. Both your hands should be on the steering wheel. I do not support eating while driving either.

[dvst8]

Just get a $15 bluetooth device. No tickets, No cops beating around the bush accusing you of looking at your crotch, and you will prevent some UNPREDICTABLE accidents. Problem solved.

Anyway, I don't know why you're all on the phone when you're suppose to be driving.....
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[Timpo]

True, those people texting while driving on the highway are the hazards. Those people would be the one texting while stopped too, right?

You could say lazy, but I say efficient. You could grab a bunch of people in a stop light rather than chasing someone down one by one.

Ok, so if it was OK to use your phone at a left turn signal or bumper to bumper traffic, but not anytime else. How would you enforce that?

Yes, now that people know cops are waiting at red lights, people will learn their lesson not to text at red light anymore.

But they will keep texting on highways.

[Timpo]

Wrong. The real point of the law was to increase road safety. To make the public perceive that people on the phone were getting into crashes and killing people.

Except that no one is going to die when someone is on the phone waiting for the light to change in a left turn lane, or sitting in bumper to bumper traffic.

This is where enforcement is going beyond the actual intent of the law.

If they really were enforcing the intent of the law, they would be patrolling the highways and pulling people over there, not people stopped at intersections.

But that takes EFFORT. Heaven forbid.

As a driver, I get just as pissed off at that oblivious fuck on the highway that's on the phone and drifting between lanes like they're drunk.

The problem is that it's THOSE people that aren't getting pulled over.
Good point, but I doubt it's making any difference.

How many accidents were caused by people texting at redlights? Probably NONE.

How many accidents were caused by people texting while driving on the road? TONS.

[whateverman]

what about pig that are on their computer while driving
Tail gating trying to punch in my plate

90% of time I see pig driving , they're looking at their damn computer and not the road
Who are policing them
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[dared3vil0]

They are trained to use their computer and drive... You're not.

[inv4zn]

what about pig that are on their computer while driving
Tail gating trying to punch in my plate

90% of time I see pig driving , they're looking at their damn computer and not the road
Who are policing them
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Strong username.

[fearlesss]

what about pig that are on their computer while driving
Tail gating trying to punch in my plate

90% of time I see pig driving , they're looking at their damn computer and not the road
Who are policing them
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you remind me that i saw a pig driving while talking on his phone.
i guess they get to do stuff we are not allow to

[4444]

Just for the record, to ensure I'm not misunderstood in my stance, I fully support this law, but I do no support the way police enforce it by being sleazy little shits hiding behind bushes like rapists ready to pounce.

If it's fair cop, and you get caught, pay the fine, but if I ever get done in a sleazy sting, it riles me up (I've never been caught using my phone, as I don't use it/ have Bluetooth/hands free connectivity in the car)
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[nma]

Wrong. The real point of the law was to increase road safety. To make the public perceive that people on the phone were getting into crashes and killing people.

Except that no one is going to die when someone is on the phone waiting for the light to change in a left turn lane, or sitting in bumper to bumper traffic.

This is where enforcement is going beyond the actual intent of the law.

If they really were enforcing the intent of the law, they would be patrolling the highways and pulling people over there, not people stopped at intersections.

But that takes EFFORT. Heaven forbid.

As a driver, I get just as pissed off at that oblivious fuck on the highway that's on the phone and drifting between lanes like they're drunk.

The problem is that it's THOSE people that aren't getting pulled over.


I think that's a bit ridiculous. You're asking cops to cruise around looking for people on their phones? That is super inefficient. Most people are relatively aware of their surroundings and would have to be pretty dumb to get caught texting with a police cruiser right beside them. On the other hand, if you're sitting at the light texting, odds are you probably do it while you're driving as well. Thus it's easier for them to send out a message this way and just to disallow texting while driving PERIOD. This seems BEYOND reasonable to me.


This is coming from someone who got a ticket at a red light. Funny thing I wasn't even texting, just making sure my phone was charging on my seat. However, I fully understand the intent of the law and why it's put in place. I have seen SO many instances of near accidents / accidents because people were busy fumbling with their phones. Talking to a passenger and talking on the phone are different. For some reason, your brain is much more distracted when talking on the phone. Even when I use my car's bluetooth, I find my self chatting away and at times I just auto-pilot throughout the conversation. I like to think I'm pretty aware when I'm driving, so I can only guess how scary it is when someone who is awful to begin with is auto piloting and distracted.

[Yodamaster]

what about pig that are on their computer while driving
Tail gating trying to punch in my plate

90% of time I see pig driving , they're looking at their damn computer and not the road
Who are policing them
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Police officers go through many hours of training to be able to use their computers safely, not to mention the fact that police computers are simplified for driving. Civilians are not trained to use electronic devices safely in their cars, and even at that, the equipment and useage of that equipment is vastly different.

Police computers mounted in cruisers are a vital part of the job at hand, your phone is not. To be honest, I didn't expect you to come to that conclusion on your own, since you seemingly have the writing ability of an infant Chimpanzee.

[DragonChi]

Yes, now that people know cops are waiting at red lights, people will learn their lesson not to text at red light anymore.

But they will keep texting on highways.

At least something is being done. I would hope that most people wouldn't text on highways compared to the amount of people texting at red lights, but you could be right.

[xpl0sive]

what are your guys' opinions about speed traps being done mostly on nice days? If you ask the cops why they are mostly out on nice days pulling people over for speeding, they'll say "people are more likely to speed because it's nice out".... So, they are out in the sun, having a good time, issuing as many tickets as possible because there's more people speeding. As far as public safety is concerned, they really don't care. People are speeding when it's nice out, because it's safer to drive a bit faster.

To me, the cops should be out setting up speed traps when its pissing rain and visibility is terrible. Sure, there won't be as many people speeding, but catching the ones that are would actually make a difference and make the other drivers safer.

Once again, "Serve and Protect" isn't really the main goal here, and it's clear.

I wonder what Soundy will have to say about this one.... Add me to the list of people who's car should get stolen? By the way, my car did get stolen a few years ago and I jumped into my other car and started going after the guys, while I was on the phone with the cops. I told them exactly which way the thieves went with my car. What did the cops do? Absolutely nothing. They finally found my car a week later, somewhere in butt-fuck Surrey. So really, I wouldn't bother calling the cops again, except ICBC will get upset if I don't and give me trouble with my claim....

[dared3vil0]

They don't want to stand out in the rain. Simple as that.

[nma]

Yeah, let's stand out when it's pissing rain and visibility is terrible to pull over maniacs. Doesn't sound dangerous AT ALL. Probably worth writing the tickets, because for sure those retards speeding in the first place will learn their lesson. GREAT logic!

You know cops aren't robots right? They also want to be comfortable doing their jobs, and don't need to be put in unnecessary risk.

Pulling over people like that won't make the roads any safer. If anything, they are going to rage and drive off. When you lack the common sense
to drive safely in poor conditions, I'm sure you lack in other departments too.

[Nlkko]

what are your guys' opinions about speed traps being done mostly on nice days? If you ask the cops why they are mostly out on nice days pulling people over for speeding, they'll say "people are more likely to speed because it's nice out".... So, they are out in the sun, having a good time, issuing as many tickets as possible because there's more people speeding. As far as public safety is concerned, they really don't care. People are speeding when it's nice out, because it's safer to drive a bit faster.

To me, the cops should be out setting up speed traps when its pissing rain and visibility is terrible. Sure, there won't be as many people speeding, but catching the ones that are would actually make a difference and make the other drivers safer.

Once again, "Serve and Protect" isn't really the main goal here, and it's clear.

I wonder what Soundy will have to say about this one.... Add me to the list of people who's car should get stolen? By the way, my car did get stolen a few years ago and I jumped into my other car and started going after the guys, while I was on the phone with the cops. I told them exactly which way the thieves went with my car. What did the cops do? Absolutely nothing. They finally found my car a week later, somewhere in butt-fuck Surrey. So really, I wouldn't bother calling the cops again, except ICBC will get upset if I don't and give me trouble with my claim....

So they should have radioed in the fleet and then what? Follow you through public street to chase him? This aint no fast and furious. Was it a life threatening situation? No. Call the cop and file your claim. That's what you pay insurance for.
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[xpl0sive]

The definition of being a cop is being at risk I order to protect the general public. Be it from thieves, serial killers or speeders. The whole point of pulling over speeders is supposed to hit them where it hurts, in the "pocket book". That should technically encourage them to slow down and make others safer. People who speed in the rain are at much higher risk of causing a collision, I hope your tiny brain is able to grasp that concept. When was the last time you heard of someone getting pulled over, "raging" and driving off?? It seems you are the one who lacks common sense as well as in "other departments". Resorting to personal attacks is just a sign of not being able to put together any type of valid argument.
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[nma]

:devil:The definition of being a cop is being at risk I order to protect the general public. Be it from thieves, serial killers or speeders. The whole point of pulling over speeders is supposed to hit them where it hurts, in the "pocket book". That should technically encourage them to slow down and make others safer. People who speed in the rain are at much higher risk of causing a collision, I hope your tiny brain is able to grasp that concept. When was the last time you heard of someone getting pulled over, "raging" and driving off?? It seems you are the one who lacks common sense as well as in "other departments". Resorting to personal attacks is just a sign of not being able to put together any type of valid argument.
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I think you may want to re-read what I wrote. I did not resort to any type of personal attack. I think you are the one who is butt hurt and angry, if you read what you just wrote, you're basically contradicting your self.

"Resorting to personal attacks is just a sign of not being able to put together any type of valid argument."


"I hope your tiny brain.." "You lack common sense, as well as other departments.."

I'm not sure what level of reading comprehension it takes for you to understand that I was addressing those that drive unsafely in awful conditions. If you are one of those people, then yes, you do lack common sense. As for your argument, I'm not too sure what you're talking about because you're just repeating what you said before and didn't really address safety concerns for police officers and the trade offs for such risks. Yes, you're right, the definition of a cop is to serve and protect. That doesn't mean they can't do so within a reasonable amount of risk. Perhaps it is inefficient to stand in the rain and write tickets. Maybe a cost-benefit analysis was done for cops standing out in the rain, under poor conditions. Maybe the results concluded that it wasn't worth the RISK and the COST of the tax payers dollar to stand in the rain. Wouldn't you want your police force to be as efficient as possible? After all, you're the one paying for part of it..

[dared3vil0]

Yeah, let's stand out when it's pissing rain and visibility is terrible to pull over maniacs. Doesn't sound dangerous AT ALL. Probably worth writing the tickets, because for sure those retards speeding in the first place will learn their lesson. GREAT logic!

You know cops aren't robots right? They also want to be comfortable doing their jobs, and don't need to be put in unnecessary risk.

Pulling over people like that won't make the roads any safer. If anything, they are going to rage and drive off. When you lack the common sense
to drive safely in poor conditions, I'm sure you lack in other departments too.

So you're saying that speed traps in the rain are too dangerous? So next time they get a call of someone with a gun, should they not respond, as it's "too dangerous"?

[4444]

It's ironic, the cops and idiots in the media blame everything bad on the road on speed (which it isn't), yet in reality speed in poor weather is more dangerous than in clear, dry weather.

Cops are proving, their their acts of traps in better weather, that their true intention is not, in fact, the safety of people.

[nma]

So you're saying that speed traps in the rain are too dangerous? So next time they get a call of someone with a gun, should they not respond, as it's "too dangerous"?

How can you compare two completely different situations? Someone about to get shot, with someone who is speeding in the rain?

I'm talking about being REASONABLE here.

My argument was that setting up speed traps in fairly poor conditions may be too risky for the benefits that come out of it.

I've seen cops set up speed traps during mild conditions fairly often. My argument is mainly directed towards comments on
conditions with poor visibility.


The thing with the police force is it has to be efficient. They are under a strict budget, and unless you're willing to dish more money
out of your own pocket, they are restricted. Therefore, they need to come up with a strategy that is cost efficient, reasonably safe, and
does a fair job at enforcing the law. Under those set conditions, I think it becomes a lot easier to understand why cops would be
out writing tickets during sunny days more often than others.

I think it has less to do with them being lazy, uncaring, and awful people. More to do with an overall policing strategy which is probably
made somewhere higher up the chain.

However, I could be wrong. Maybe no one cares and cops just do whatever they want..

[meme405]

I'll be honest, I didnt read a lot of this thread past page 3, simply because it's all a point that has been argued 1000 times on RS and there is a divide on the issue. NBD not everyone is going to agree even after all the cards are down.

I am in favour of the distracted driving laws and believe they should be enforced equally on everyone, even at red lights.

The thing that gets me is:

How come the cops are allowed to roll around and use a fucking laptop while they are driving, and I can get a ticket for programming my factory navigation...

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I mean seriously, they set up the law, and said that regardless of experience or years driving or qualifications, it is unsafe for anyone to operate any form of transportation on our road system while talking on the phone. Then they blatantly make it okay for police to use their in car computers. Sorry but I was taught that police are not above the laws they enforce...

(I used the word transportation above because believe it or not you can actually get a ticket for talking on your phone while riding a bike, or riding one of those electric scooters. Both of these items do not require a drivers license yet you can get a ticket for it...)

[DragonChi]

Bet you anything, if it was a long weekend, and it was piss poor weather they'd at least be patrolling the highways in their cars.

And if someone had a gun. the threat to the public would be much greater, so it'd be warranted for them to go out and diffuse the situation. Compared to sitting in the rain under poor visibility and being on the highway where the immediate risk is being hit by a car going 80-90 Km/h.

If you had a car stolen, would you risk your life (the cops) and the lives of the public to chase them?

[coolname]

The thing with the police force is it has to be efficient. They are under a strict budget, and unless you're willing to dish more money
out of your own pocket, they are restricted. Therefore, they need to come up with a strategy that is cost efficient, reasonably safe, and
does a fair job at enforcing the law.


i dont see how it would cost any more to have a speed trap in the rain rather than when it is sunny.

[nma]

i dont see how it would cost any more to have a speed trap in the rain rather than when it is sunny.


They write less tickets because as said above, less people appear to speed.

Less tickets = higher cost of him/her standing there.

[k2_alpha]

To me, the cops should be out setting up speed traps when its pissing rain and visibility is terrible...

Once again, "Serve and Protect" isn't really the main goal here, and it's clear.



So you're saying that speed traps in the rain are too dangerous? So next time they get a call of someone with a gun, should they not respond, as it's "too dangerous"?

When it is raining, the roads are wet. Drivers will slow down quickly when they notice a speed trap. Drivers who get waved in have to brake even harder.

Wet roads + average drivers + hard braking = Disaster


It is too dangerous for conventional form of speed traps. (The ones where they jump out in front to wave you in.) Of course they can use other forms, but those takes more man power. As inhumane as the cops may be, they are still people. They want to go home healthy after their shift. Getting struck but a car and getting injured or dying by a driver who didn't see them, is not favourable.

Getting shot and dying is a job hazard It's accepted. But steps are taken to minimize the risk. (multiple responders and bullet proof vest etc...)
Sure getting struck by a car is job hazard as well, but not stepping out in front of cars on dangerous road conditions is a way to minimize the risk.

[melloman]

So tell me this: if the system isn't going to hit you in the pocketbook for breaking laws that are created to ensure *EVERYONE'S* safety on the road... then how are you going to penalize people? Are cops supposed to just give you a dirty look and a stern warning if you're caught doing 30k over the limit while texting? People would laugh in their faces and go right ahead doing it.

So what else would you recommend to give drivers the idea that their actions are unacceptable? Maybe instead of cash fines, we should just impound their cars for a while... make them sit on the side of the road and think about it, say an extra hour for every 10k over the limit? So if you're doing 80 in a 50 zone, you just sit there in the penalty box for three hours, and then you can be on your way? How about public shaming - no fine, but you get your picture in the paper on a dedicated "Assholes of the Road" page?

If you tell people something is unacceptable to society as a whole, and they insist on doing it anyway, you have to apply something that will get their attention and maybe hurt a little so they get the message, and will hopefully not do it again for fear of getting told again... now, public floggings would be a great plan, but I doubt that one would survive a constitutional challenge...

So unless you have a better, workable, and effective idea... a monetary fine it is.

It's only a "cash grab" if giving up the cash is unavoidable... fortunately, traffic VTs are 100% avoidable IF YOU'RE NOT A WHINY, SELF-CENTERED LITTLE BITCH.

Please refer to:

Wrong. The real point of the law was to increase road safety. To make the public perceive that people on the phone were getting into crashes and killing people.

Except that no one is going to die when someone is on the phone waiting for the light to change in a left turn lane, or sitting in bumper to bumper traffic.

This is where enforcement is going beyond the actual intent of the law.

If they really were enforcing the intent of the law, they would be patrolling the highways and pulling people over there, not people stopped at intersections.

But that takes EFFORT. Heaven forbid.

As a driver, I get just as pissed off at that oblivious fuck on the highway that's on the phone and drifting between lanes like they're drunk.

The problem is that it's THOSE people that aren't getting pulled over.

BTW, I really hope you go 50km/h in a 50 zone. Wouldn't want you to get unnecessary tickets. :2finger2:

Oh and 1 last thing.. about the whole "cash grab" thing.. when a cop sits at the bottom of a steep hill (Royal Oak, North side) and radars up the hill at the people coming down.. it's a fucking cash grab. Or how about when they do it on Boundary (South side down by Marine Way) in that stopping area.. Clearly that part of the road was never designed for cops to sit there.. :rolleyes:

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They write less tickets because as said above, less people appear to speed.

Less tickets = higher cost of him/her standing there.

so you at least agree that the main point of writing tickets is to generate revenue, not to encourage driver safety?

is it more dangerous for cops to give out cell phone tickets in the rain? I've never seen them standing out on Lougheed highway watching for distracted drivers when it's raining. Do people not use their phones in the rain either?

[ninjatune]

I think its funny when people complain about cash-grabs and when police setup radar "traps" at the bottom of hills etc. The common radar spots are where many people are speeding. If many people are breaking the law in a certain area, shouldn't the cops be there enforcing it?

Just like a certain parking lot where a large number of cars are being stolen. Should the cops not focus on that parking lot? Lol.


Whats FAIR is that the laws in Canada are readily available to all Canadians. The laws are made known and most people with a driver's licence are aware its illegal to speed and use your phone. You know before-hand what you can and cannot do, then complain when you get caught for doing something you know is wrong? Lol.
It would be UNFAIR if the laws were all a secret and you got busted for doing things you didn't know were illegal.

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Doesn't that Esso have a Tim Hortons in it?

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I think its funny when people complain about cash-grabs and when police setup radar "traps" at the bottom of hills etc. The common radar spots are where many people are speeding. If many people are breaking the law in a certain area, shouldn't the cops be there enforcing it?

It would be UNFAIR if the laws were all a secret and you got busted for doing things you didn't know were illegal.

It would be unfair if the laws were unjust such as a speed limit set too low relative to the design of the highway.

Just try doing 50 northbound on Royal Oak before Deer Lake in Burnaby. Big hill, limited access, divided highway; still 50 km/h.