[Presto]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – A pitbull has been stabbed to death on Kitsilano Beach.

Vancouver Police say a 72-year-old man was walking his pug at around 1 p.m. when he was approached by a woman who was walking a pitbull.

The pitbull bit down on the pug’s neck and couldn’t be seperated.

Police say the man pulled out a folding knife and stabbed the pitbull, killing it. The pug was rushed to a veterinary hospital and recieved stiches to its neck.

Both the man and woman are cooperating with investigators and no charges are being considered at this time.
http://www.news1130.com/2013/11/20/pitbull-stabbed-to-death-on-kits-beach/

Even though I don't like 'em, I'm glad his pug survived. He saved his dog.

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

i hate pits..

[subordinate]

That's one badass 72 year old.

[4doorVIP]

this man has true grit
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[trancehead]

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[GabAlmighty]

i hate pits..

I hate you

[Lowered_Klass]

I would do the same to save my dog...

But I hate how this will ultimately turn into a pitbull bashing topic. Which is fucking retarded, because they can be a great, well mannered, family dog.


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[mb_]

When I first saw the headline I was "WTF?!?!" but as I read the story, I totally understand why he did it and don't blame him for it. I'd do the same if I had a dog that was being attacked by another dog.

[SkinnyPupp]

If that girl was walking a German Shepard or a Doberman or any other breed, assuming she trains and treats that dog 100% the same, I wonder if the same thing would have happened?

[CRS]

If that girl was walking a German Shepard or a Doberman or any other breed, assuming she trains and treats that dog 100% the same, I wonder if the same thing would have happened?

It probably would.

Dogs, regardless of breed, are reflections of their owner(s).

[fliptuner]

There aren't enough details to determine who's at fault but I can tell you right now, one or both of the owners fucked up.

More than likely, the pug owner had way too much slack on the leash or the PB should've had a muzzle on.

Moral of the story: control your fucking dogs.

[PeanutButter]

Hate is a strong word.

For me, I am scared of pitt bulls, dobermans, bull dogs, rottweilers, and boxers. Only because they are more aggressive breeds by nature and I don't trust the people walking these dogs as a lot of owners of these dogs are lazy and have not trained their dogs properly.

It's just hard for me to like these dogs when i'm afraid of what these dogs can do to me, especially if they are not trained properly. I have had a really bad experience with a doberman and a rottweiler, so whenever I see either of them I get pretty scared.

[parm104]

There aren't enough details to determine who's at fault but I can tell you right now, one or both of the owners fucked up.

More than likely, the pug owner had way too much slack on the leash or the PB should've had a muzzle on.

Moral of the story: control your fucking dogs.

Hmm, also possible that the small dog was off leash too. Many small dog owners don't leash up their little dogs where I go for walks.

Pure speculation, only time will tell. It's too bad cause the pity's life could've been sparred if only his owner had some control on him. Can't imagine my dog getting out of control like that.

Hate is a strong word.

For me, I am scared of pitt bulls, dobermans, bull dogs, rottweilers, and boxers. Only because they are more aggressive breeds by nature and I don't trust the people walking these dogs as a lot of owners of these dogs are lazy and have not trained their dogs properly.

It's just hard for me to like these dogs when i'm afraid of what these dogs can do to me, especially if they are not trained properly. I have had a really bad experience with a doberman and a rottweiler, so whenever I see either of them I get pretty scared.

He's ignorant, you're not lol. Let him hate...watch him get bit by a poodle one of these days lol.

[Yodamaster]

A pet is an extension of your family, and I would kill someone if they tried to murder one of my relatives.

[Nlkko]

If that girl was walking a German Shepard or a Doberman or any other breed, assuming she trains and treats that dog 100% the same, I wonder if the same thing would have happened?

It would. Shepherd, Doberman, Rotweiler. Doesn't matter. See those tiny dogs that mount and chomp on each others? Well same shit, except the pit has the mean to unleash damages.

[boatcaptain]

i thot pitbul require to wear a mouth guard when they are in public
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[fliptuner]

Hate is a strong word.

For me, I am scared of pitt bulls, dobermans, bull dogs, rottweilers, and boxers. Only because they are more aggressive breeds by nature and I don't trust the people walking these dogs as a lot of owners of these dogs are lazy and have not trained their dogs properly.

It's just hard for me to like these dogs when i'm afraid of what these dogs can do to me, especially if they are not trained properly. I have had a really bad experience with a doberman and a rottweiler, so whenever I see either of them I get pretty scared.

If you want to get over that fear, come meet my Rottie.

As Nlkko posted, small dogs get away with more shit cause they can't cause as much damage. Admittedly, I'm more strict with my Rottie than I am with my Yorkie.

[SkinnyPupp]

The thing about pitbulls is that they were bred as catch dogs (which is why they have been used as fighting dogs since pretty much the beginning).

Just like any dog breed, they can make a wonderful pet. But every breed has their own personality traits. Tracking dogs will try to track all the time, herding dogs will try to herd everything, bay dogs will try to corner or tree animals and start baying, etc.

Catch dogs will try to 'catch' things - IE grab onto its neck and not let go. Pitbulls are inherently going to 'catch' other animals, which has to be specifically trained against. I don't think you'd have to train a poodle not to grab onto a pug's neck if it comes across one.

[4444]

I bet this was a horrid thing for the old fella to do - to see your dog get attacked is horrific, to be a lover of dogs and have to stab one to death must have been horrific to do.

I really feel for the old man, sorry the pit bull had to die (though you can't blame any actions), glad the pug will be ok

[Great68]

Couple years ago we were dogsitting and walking the two german shepherds, an offleash pitbull made a beeline for us. The sheps turned on "don't fuck with us" mode, and the pitbull turned around.

Probably the smartest thing that dog did.

[PeanutButter]

If you want to get over that fear, come meet my Rottie.

As Nlkko posted, small dogs get away with more shit cause they can't cause as much damage. Admittedly, I'm more strict with my Rottie than I am with my Yorkie.

That is quite the offer, thank you. I don't think I would be able to though, I get pretty anxious whenever I see them. Maybe one day, but I don't think that day will be anytime soon =/

[T4RAWR]

not as bad ass as this guy:

Canoeist stabs bear to death in Ontario - Canada - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canoeist-stabs-bear-to-death-in-ontario-1.596038)

[Lomac]

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Yup, pure terror machine right there.

And my pitt bull is pretty fierce as well.

[4x4runner]

i hate pits..

FUCK YOU FAGGIT, I dont give a Fuck if I get banned for calling you a Faggit.

thats the most ignorant Shit to say.

I own two pits and their the most charming dogs I ve ever owned.

you can go FUCK YOURSELF.


I feel bad for both sides of this, but I seriously dont know how I would react to a man stabbing my dog.

RIP to the Pit.

[dangonay]

Dogs, regardless of breed, are reflections of their owner(s).
Partially agree. How a dog is raised/trained has a huge impact on how they behave.

That said, dogs are still animals. And all breeds of dogs (like any animal) have certain characteristics. Even well trained/well behaved animals can have "lapses" where they could act in a manner not intended/desired by well-meaning owners.

And as mentioned, when a breed like a pit bull has a "lapse" things can get ugly pretty quickly, and much worse than other breeds. That said, I'm not in favor of banning pit bulls or anything draconian like that. It's just too bad so many assholes are allowed to own them.

[Evolutionian]

shit.. this must've been a awful experience for the old fella. I hate unlashed dogs, especially aggressive ones, I see them everywhere when I ride scooters in Taiwan, and lots shops would have those Taiwanese Canis, native dogs of Taiwan as guard dogs.. super aggressive.. Everyday I get chased by them..

[4x4runner]

shit.. this must've been a awful experience for the old fella. I hate unlashed dogs, especially aggressive ones, I see them everywhere when I ride scooters in Taiwan, and lots shops would have those Taiwanese Canis, native dogs of Taiwan as guard dogs.. super aggressive.. Everyday I get chased by them..

you cant compare wild dogs in Taiwan, as they ve become Wild, and they roam in packs. I know what you mean tho, I m from the same country and they chase after you when you re riding your scooter.

[Jas29]

That is quite the offer, thank you. I don't think I would be able to though, I get pretty anxious whenever I see them. Maybe one day, but I don't think that day will be anytime soon =/

Peanutbutter if i was you I would at least think about Ice boys offer especially if he has a muzzle for his dog then you would have nothing to be worried about

I've had good and bad experiences with pitbulls. My dog has been attacked by pitbulls twice once when he was 10 weeks old at the dog park and recently while I was taking him for a walk.

The real problem are the owners the first time the lady had never brought her dog to the dog park(he was 2 years old) before nor did she take her dog for a walk before coming (he had a lot of pent up energy) It ended up with the pitbull head butting my dog and then running after a rottweiler.

2nd time my dog was attacked the owner of the pitbull started whipping his dog with his leash afterwards.

Pitbulls are good dogs with the right owners.

[Great68]

FUCK YOU FAGGIT, I dont give a Fuck if I get banned for calling you a Faggit.

thats the most ignorant Shit to say.

I own two pits and their the most charming dogs I ve ever owned.

you can go FUCK YOURSELF.


I feel bad for both sides of this, but I seriously dont know how I would react to a man stabbing my dog.

RIP to the Pit.


Wow. So everyone has to like pitbulls?

I hate miniature poodles (actually most tiny fru fru dogs as well). It's a free country, people can like/dislike what they want.

[Lowered_Klass]

Smaller dogs DO get away with murder, 9 times outta 10.

Most of the time owners and people laugh it off, thinking it's funny or 'cute'. Bottom line is, these misbehaved little shits often start fights with other, sometimes bigger dogs (not always pit bulls!). I've seen it a thousand times, and boils my blood. I'd like to see a crack down on smaller, aggresive dogs. Let's not just single out a couple breeds, lets crack down on all dogs.

Makes you wonder if this pug did in fact start the fight by being a little asshole? Not to stereotype, but often older people are the WORST offenders when it comes to spoiling and not training their dogs... perfect recipie for disaster... not saying that was the case here, but it wouldn't shock me.

If pitty owners aren't able to control their dogs properly, then perhaps the need to leave the house with a muzzle on. So if things go south, at least it's fall back option.

Or a better idea, carry a break stick with them in case the worst happens, and you need to break up a fight. They look like this:

http://www.pbrc.net/images/stick.jpg

I'm sure a few of the pitty owners here have seen them, have one, etc. (They are used to literally pry open the jaws of your dog to help loosen the grip and open their mouths).

[4x4runner]

Wow. So everyone has to like pitbulls?

I hate miniature poodles (actually most tiny fru fru dogs as well). It's a free country, people can like/dislike what they want.

Did I Say the member has to like pits?

But what reason does he/she have to "hate" on them?

Same goes to you, explain why you "hate" mini poodles.

[flagella]

FUCK YOU FAGGIT, I dont give a Fuck if I get banned for calling you a Faggit.

thats the most ignorant Shit to say.

I own two pits and their the most charming dogs I ve ever owned.

you can go FUCK YOURSELF.


I feel bad for both sides of this, but I seriously dont know how I would react to a man stabbing my dog.

RIP to the Pit.

wow... rage much?

[4x4runner]

Yes, took too much steroids this morning.

[jlo mein]

Old man is lucky the pitbull owner didn't try to kill him. Remember that story this past year of a small dog owner who's dog was attacked, then the owner's leg got bitten after he tried to fight off the pitbull? Then the pitbull owner pulled a knife out and threatened him?

Irresponsible dog owner lets pitbull attack another dog and person - do you know who this is? : vancouver (http://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/1dg5dt/irresponsible_dog_owner_lets_pitbull_attack/)

http://www.burnabynow.com/news/dog-attack-victim-looking-for-owner-who-fled-the-scene-1.407087

[4x4runner]

^ the girl owner is probably so shocked herself she didn't know how to respond.

I dont even want to imagine what it feels like for her to see her dog being stabbed to death.

[jonwon]

Why is it that most pitbull owners treat their dogs like shit and result in the creation of a beast... This happens to pitbulls more than any other "aggressive" breeds. I think most (not saying all, so please dont be offended) pitbull owners purchased the dog to act "hard". I think thats what is giving these dogs a bad rep and it really needs to stop. Ive encountered small dogs that are vicious as fuck and large dogs like rotties that are the sweetest thing. And like humans, if a dog is raised bad, it will reflect on its mannerisms.
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[meowjinboo]

was it actually a pitbull. people thought jasper (my staffie) was a pitbull.

[2damaxmr2]

Knife vs pit bull vs .455 Webley.

[jonwon]

i watch a ton of these and they always stress that dogs are a reflection of their owners.

Dogs 101- American Pit Bull - YouTube

[Ludepower]

What are the rules to carrying knives?
I for one like to applaud this badass old man. That some premeditated shiet....lol

[4x4runner]

Why is it that most pitbull owners treat their dogs like shit and result in the creation of a beast... This happens to pitbulls more than any other "aggressive" breeds. I think most (not saying all, so please dont be offended) pitbull owners purchased the dog to act "hard". I think thats what is giving these dogs a bad rep and it really needs to stop. Ive encountered small dogs that are vicious as fuck and large dogs like rotties that are the sweetest thing. And like humans, if a dog is raised bad, it will reflect on its mannerisms.
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I have to agree with you on this, alot of teenagers buys them just to look "tough", this is by far the stupidest reason to buy a dog.

they dont even know how to care for a dog, so the dogs are mostly home alone and untrained. They never get walks so they have so much energy WHEN they do get one.
and they dont associate with other dogs, everything is so new and strange to them.

as many have already said "how a dog behave is how the owner trains it" and its 99% true, there is that 1% where the dogs are just born fucked in the head.

if you dont correct a mistake when you see one it will lead to another and the result is a story like this.

I wish there was more control over owning dogs, but sadly its just not gonna happen.
governments arent gonna drop $$$ on something like this.

also, for the people here that dont like pits.

you guys should watch a few episodes of pitbulls and parolees.
look at how the dogs respond to humans EVEN after being treated like shit and left out to die without food or water.

[N.V.M.]

are the breeds of the dogs relevant in any way to this story? no!

[westopher]

Most dogs that are involved in anything are automatically labelled pitbulls because the media has created a fucking witch hunt. This is fucked. I'm willing to bet I've come across both dogs as I live right across the street from kits beach. Sure glad it wasn't my pitbull being stabbed to death.:(
People are going to be happy he saved his dog, especially from the "automatically vicious killing machine pitbull" but there could be a lot more to this story. Imagine you adopted a dog that is not dog friendly, you did what you are supposed to on a walk, kept it leashed, etc, then someone with their misbehaved off leash dog came and charged your leashed dog ending up in a fight. I've had it happen dozens of times where some shitty little untrained off leash dog comes and gets in my dogs face. Luckily Monty loves it, but what if he didn't? It certainly wouldn't be his fault. I don't know the story but just throwing scenarios out there before we hail this guy a hero. I know a guy who fits the description of a 70ish year old guy with a black pug who lives right beside me. Hes a great guy, with a great dog, however its off leash a lot. I certainly hope that wasn't the case here.
R.I.P. to the dog.

[westopher]

are the breeds of the dogs relevant in any way to this story? no!
Every time I see you post I'm going to thank you since I can't thank you more than once for this. There was a story on the news that was talking about a pitbull attack and they said pitbull 22 times in the story. When it happened with a german shepard on the same news station, they said the breed once and called it a dog the rest of the story.

[kunoman1]

Initially I agree with the whole "pitbulls are scary" kind of posts because I used to deliver newspapers back in the day and those dogs (along with the other big "guard dogs") scared the shit out of me. But I've gotten to know a few more "guard dogs" and yea it's all about the owner and how they're brought up, any dog could go attack you, but at the same time these "killer dogs" can be hella friendly

[MindBomber]

The thing about pitbulls is that they were bred as catch dogs (which is why they have been used as fighting dogs since pretty much the beginning).

Just like any dog breed, they can make a wonderful pet. But every breed has their own personality traits. Tracking dogs will try to track all the time, herding dogs will try to herd everything, bay dogs will try to corner or tree animals and start baying, etc.

Catch dogs will try to 'catch' things - IE grab onto its neck and not let go. Pitbulls are inherently going to 'catch' other animals, which has to be specifically trained against. I don't think you'd have to train a poodle not to grab onto a pug's neck if it comes across one.

The propensity for aggression is bred out with greater veracity than annoying traits, like baying. The breeders of Golden Retrievers, Labrador Retrievers, Poodles and other traditionally hunting breeds have bred out almost all aggression as they've become contemporary companion animals. The good breeders of Pit Bulls, and the base stock, English Bulldogs, French Bulldogs, and Boston Terriers have also bred out aggression as they've become contemporary companion animals. The average levels of aggression are thus similar. At least that's my experience. The rare bad breeders who promote aggression in Pit Bulls give the entire breed a bad name, unfortunately.

The breeds where limiting aggression has not been a priority are toy breeds, like Mini-Poodles, Chiwawas, Pomeranians, and Cocker Spaniels. They're the most mean in my experience.

[Hondaracer]

Pit bulls are naturally more aggressive than many other breads this is fact

Then people buy into a dog that has a shit breading lineage, so you've got a worse off dog from the start

Couple that with being a terrible stereotypical owner and you've got the end result

I'm not scared of any dog nor do I dislike any bread of dog, but pitbulls obviously have a reputation for a reason
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[4x4runner]

I honestly dont see how a Dog is bred OUT of aggression.

a dog is like a baby, how could a baby be born and first thing on its mind is "I m gonna grow up to hunt, kill, herd"

unless someone could give me scientific proof that a Dog can be bred into killing and all that I dont believe it.

hondaracer, I dont agree that pitbulls are "naturally" more aggressive.

I do however believe that pits have been selectively bred in the past to have stronger jaws, strength and etc.

you guys would be impressed at how much weight a 50 pound pitbull can pull.

and they have the reputation for a "reason" and that reason is back to my previous response about irresponsible owners.

also I find some media writers love to hop on that band wagon to shit on some things.

[westopher]

Pit bulls are naturally more aggressive than many other breads this is fact

Why is it that they are in the top 5 dog breeds in the american canine temperament test? Maybe you should check your fucking "facts"
You want to know why you hear more about pitbull bites? Here are some FACTS.
Pitbulls are the most commonly mislabeled dogs in shelters
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Maddies%20Breed%20ID%20Poster.pdf
Pitbulls apparently account for over half of the dogs put through the shelter system in north america. You know why dogs end up at shelters? Its not because of super awesome responsible owners.
Pitbulls are chosen by people with aggression to be used as extensions of their own aggression. People using the animals as such have nothing to do with inherent traits of a breed.

Your PERCEPTION is not equal to FACTS.

[ScizzMoney]

My old dog used to fuck his own face. Hope that didn't reflect on me and what I do in my personal time

[4x4runner]

inb4 people start saying westopher and I are just bum buddies, sucking each other cocks and shit. which is not true as we dont know each other.

alot of you guys prob dont even "OWN" a dog and are just listening to what your "friends" say or your family members say etc etc.

you guys really need to look up wether what you hear is true or not instead of just hopping on to your keyboard and start blurring non-sense out.

media love to use Pitbulls, something about the Pits that just BUGS them so much they want to demolish them.

I hate how they have to be Muzzled and leashed at all times in public, and they need to be in a 'confined' area even in your own back yard. yeah, that means a BIG CAGE. now this applies to burnaby, I believe in vancouver the Pits does not need to be muzzled, correct me if I m wrong westopher.

back in the days 'vicious dogs' were german shepherds and mastiff? I cant remember them out the top of my head, but now days every incident is pinned to pitbulls, so I dont think this pitbull vicious dog era will ever change now.

I would love to one day see chihuahuas labeled as vicious dogs. just because their so small and they bite like a little bitch makes them un-vicious or un-aggressive.

[SkinnyPupp]

The propensity for aggression is bred out with greater veracity than annoying traits, like baying. The breeders of Golden Retrievers, Labrador Retrievers, Poodles and other traditionally hunting breeds have bred out almost all aggression as they've become contemporary companion animals. The good breeders of Pit Bulls, and the base stock, English Bulldogs, French Bulldogs, and Boston Terriers have also bred out aggression as they've become contemporary companion animals. The average levels of aggression are thus similar. At least that's my experience. The rare bad breeders who promote aggression in Pit Bulls give the entire breed a bad name, unfortunately.

The breeds where limiting aggression has not been a priority are toy breeds, like Mini-Poodles, Chiwawas, Pomeranians, and Cocker Spaniels. They're the most mean in my experience.
So it CAN be the breed.. that's what I was wondering

[Lomac]

I'm not scared of any dog nor do I dislike any bread of dog, but pitbulls obviously have a reputation for a reason
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Pitbulls are just the flavour on the decade. In the past, the breeds people feared the most varied from rotties, great danes, german shepards, bulldogs, dobermans, etc. My mom used to own a german shepard/doberman cross and it was one of the sweetest dogs I've ever known.

Now... dogs you should be on the look out are breeds like the wolf-dog hybrid (purely because it still has part of the wolf genetics and all the fun stuff that comes along with it) and the chow chow (seriously lol).

The problem is that while a chihuahua might be more aggressive and attack someone more often, you can kick the dog off your leg with relative ease. A larger dog that might only attack in self defense will have a harder grip and, often, is more intelligent than their smaller cousins, so it has the wits to attack you in your more vulnerable spots.

[hal0g0dv2]

Blame it on the a a a a a alcohol
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[MaaaadMan]

Pitbulls are awesome when they are trained properly. My friend's pitbull is one of the friendliest and sweetest dogs I've ever seen.

[4x4runner]

Halo, your in the wrong thread.

I believe you belong in the workout thread and enhanced thread.

Blame it on the GGGGGGGGG GEAR.

[westopher]

I hate how they have to be Muzzled and leashed at all times in public, and they need to be in a 'confined' area even in your own back yard. yeah, that means a BIG CAGE. now this applies to burnaby, I believe in vancouver the Pits does not need to be muzzled, correct me if I m wrong westopher.


There is no breed specific regulations in vancouver. Aggressive dogs are only defined as any dog with a history or current visual signs of aggression. I take my dog off leash occasionally in off leash parks, and he has never worn a muzzle. He is a pitbull/german shepard but thats neither here nor there, just a tidbit of info. People need to understand these dogs are just dogs, and individuals are just that. Each dog has its own brain, and its own behavioural characteristics based on genetics and its upbringing. The same nature vs. nurture shit we learned about in elementary school people seem to forget when it comes to animals other than humans.

[hal0g0dv2]

Shit yeah so much gear forgot what thread i was in
Fuk people with muscles are so stupid
Sorry guys
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[nsmb]

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[MindBomber]

I honestly dont see how a Dog is bred OUT of aggression.

a dog is like a baby, how could a baby be born and first thing on its mind is "I m gonna grow up to hunt, kill, herd"

unless someone could give me scientific proof that a Dog can be bred into killing and all that I dont believe it.


This is difficult to write in basic and concise terms.

DNA is passed on from parent bodies to child bodies, including human to baby and dog to puppy.

DNA determines the structure and arrangement of bodies and body systems, including human brains and dog brains.

The basic arrangement of the neurons in a dog's brains is thereby genetically pre-determined by its parents. I say basic because neurons respond to environmental influence (training) later in life, too.

The basic arrangement of neurons determines qualities such as an instinct to herd and aggression.

A dog with aggressive DNA will then pass on aggressiveness to its puppies.

DNA also has a half-life with declining influence with successive generations.

The stressing or avoidance of DNA (through selective breeding) that determines aggressiveness can thereby increase or decrease the quality.

Scientific proof of this is plentiful.

[Lomac]

Here's an interesting fact: The American Pit Bull is approved as a therapy dog.

I think that in itself proves something...

[djstyles]

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[westopher]

Someone is obviously pretending to be skinnypupp in the comments on the article, because i know from his posts he doesn't hate dogs
SkinnyPupp says:
Good riddance,I hate dogs to begin with and hate pitbulls even more,the owners of those dogs are no better either.

[roflwaffle604]

thanks doge

[nabs]

such thanks doge

[mk1freak]

that's just an unfortunate situation for both dog owners. any dog can be out of control if not properly trained or taken care of or socialized.
Loved my pit Eddy RIP but he sure wasn't even half as aggressive as my akitas Loy Fuk and Loy Fat (RIP) and fuck me...my sharpei Cullen now, he's such a loyal one pack(family) animal that his alert and protection instinct makes him seem the most aggressive dog in the world.
If I was the old man with the pug I know would've done the same thing except i'd only have keys :okay:.
If I was the woman, I definitely would've done more to prevent this tragedy.

As I am now, I always ensure my dogs(also have a maltese and a toy poo) short leashed around other dogs just in case because I know my dogs temperament and do all I can to make sure everyone is safe especially themselves.

And as funny as it sounds if a dog ever bit down on your dog stick your finger (or anything for that matter...and no nabs not what you think :lawl: ) in the attacking dog's asshole, it definitely works
BUT once you do be prepared to face the dog head on as it will change it's focus onto you.
such thanks doge.

[SkinnyPupp]

Someone is obviously pretending to be skinnypupp in the comments on the article, because i know from his posts he doesn't hate dogs
Wow someone has issues

[fliptuner]

That is quite the offer, thank you. I don't think I would be able to though, I get pretty anxious whenever I see them. Maybe one day, but I don't think that day will be anytime soon =/

Look at all the vicious....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e287/fliptuner/buster-kona.jpg:fullofwin:

[roflwaffle604]

lol once again, goodnight sweet prince. rip in peace xilley

edit: olawd nvm zilley has returned :fullofwin:

[dee242]

Couple years ago we were dogsitting and walking the two german shepherds, an offleash pitbull made a beeline for us. The sheps turned on "don't fuck with us" mode, and the pitbull turned around.

Probably the smartest thing that dog did.

+1 on this i was walking my rottwiler a couple years ago and a pit and another rottweiler hopped a fence n ran after us i ended up letting go of my dog picking up a rock n charged the rottweiler my dog charged the pit bull to some it all up the other rottweiler ran off and the pitbull and my rottweiler wrestled for like 15sec before the pitbull ran back home. damn dog probably saved my life

[quasi]

I did have no problem with this guy stabbing the dog but if what's being said now of the dog being off leash well the pitbull was leashed I take it back.

I have a bully breed, an English Staffordshire bull terrier. This dog is stupid gentle, I've had him 11 years including the whole life span of my kid. My kid can step on him, pull his tail, pull his ears poke him in the eyes stick his hand in his mouth and he won't do anything except lick or walk away. I still believe it's mostly about the owner and how the dog was raised and socialized.

My guy is nearing the end of his lifespan, actually goes in for surgery tomorrow hoping to prolong it a bit. We love these guys to death, bring your dog up right and it will be a loving and friendly dog with no problems. I've had so many dogs growing up all kinds of breeds, this is by far the best one I've ever owned.

[zilley]

+1 on this i was walking my rottwiler a couple years ago and a pit and another rottweiler hopped a fence n ran after us i ended up letting go of my dog picking up a rock n charged the rottweiler my dog charged the pit bull to some it all up the other rottweiler ran off and the pitbull and my rottweiler wrestled for like 15sec before the pitbull ran back home. damn dog probably saved my life

Damn, that was hard to read.

[Culverin]

I don't agree with just profiling a pitbull as "bad" to the point where they need to be banned.
But I think your lack of knowledge is affecting your reasoning.


I honestly dont see how a Dog is bred OUT of aggression.

a dog is like a baby, how could a baby be born and first thing on its mind is "I m gonna grow up to hunt, kill, herd"

unless someone could give me scientific proof that a Dog can be bred into killing and all that I dont believe it.


You're kidding me right?
Dogs as you know them were bred to become how they are now.
Origin of the domestic dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dogs used to look like this:
http://www.wolfpetroleumservices.com/Bared_Teeth__Grey_Wolf.jpg


Now they can look like this:
http://male-femaledognames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/cute-dog-names.jpg

Clearly they look different. That little white thing wouldn't last a week in the wild.
Now are you telling me they behave the same?




Show dogs, herding dogs, hunting and guard dogs were specifically bred for their purposes. For their looks, coats, breeding qualities, intelligence and natural behaviors. Selective breeding further accentuates a desired quality, this is how you have things such as purebreds.



If you know anything about dogs, then you will know you can have entirely different behaviors out of the exact same breed of dog simply because of the breeding programs of their lineage.

This is why you can have a fluffy looking Samoyed be all well behaved around your family, but elsewhere in the world, they are still used as herding dogs.
http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1252359018628722.jpeg

You can take those dog's kids, raise them the same way, and they will have entirely different propensities to certain behaviors.
One will be a derpy lapdog, and the other one will tear your furniture to bits because it needs to be worked.


Same goes for breeding for aggression.

This is why you have fighting dog breeds
Dog fighting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting#Breed_origins)

and guard dog breeds
Guard dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_dog#Breeds)


They weren't bred for being cute.
They were selectively bred to kick ass and take names.

[- kT]

letter posted on facebook by the apparant owner of the pit. spoilered for length

To everyone with an opinion who wasn’t there today to know what really happened,

The Pit Bull’s name was Pandora. She was six years old.

Ask me if I would let my very small child around this dog while I’m in another room? My answer is yes – absolutely. I did. Many times. And given the chance again, I would let that beautiful, intelligent, beloved dog care for my daughter in a heart beat. Sadly, I will never have that opportunity. My daughter has lost her best friend. That pit bull that was murdered today? She helped me raise, and care for my almost 4-year old daughter.

Was the pit bull off leash? No. She was not.

This was a clearly marked area: dogs should be kept on leash, as posted by the city bylaws. Funny thing is, it was this negligent old man who irresponsibly let his own dog run around freely: he did not have control of his own dog.

Today a man killed a dog. He screamed these words “You hurt my dog. You deserve to die” And then he took out a knife and repeatedly stabbed Pandora until she died. And as Pandora lay their lifeless, this old man fled the scene with his dog in an SUV.

Our family is in shock. In pain. We have lost our loved one. The real victim here was Pandora. My sister, a woman who has worked for and volunteered with the SPCA, who has fostered countless animals while they await adoption, who was been a dog walker, a dog groomer, has held jobs with pet stores and doggy daycares, who has just recently enrolled in a program to become a certified dog trainer, has lost her best friend. My sister’s passion is animals. She is sympathetic to the concern for the pug’s welfare that this old man may have felt in the moment. But his panic does not excuse his actions. The fact that he is “72 years old” or that Pandora is a certain breed does not justify what he did. He is a human being, but his actions were sickly inhumane.

Let me remind you that this is not your story to judge, nor is it your responsibility to decide who is right or wrong. Just as each human being is different, so are the pets we care for. The difference is, we as humans have the capacity to make choices.

Ignorance and misinformation will get the best of you. If you want the real story, I challenge you to stop hiding behind the safety of your screen and come see the family that Pandora has left behind. In fact, let this invitation be forwarded to the man that murdered Pandora. Come have coffee with my daughter and I tomorrow morning. Let me share with you my side of the story: what really happened this afternoon, as opposed to what the media is contorting this into, and then try to tell me who the victim is here.
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[lowside67]

I think it's pretty awesome he writes that whole thing and yet doesn't mention once or even take a HINT of responsibility about the fact that HIS DOG had another dog's NECK in his mouth.

I wasn't there and can't say for sure what would have happened, but it seems pretty likely based on the fact that the pug went for emergency surgery that there is a pretty good chance that a little more time could have meant the end for the pug.

How Pandora killing an old man's pug is somehow less of a tragedy than the old man killing Pandora to save his pug doesn't really make sense to me...

Mark

[westopher]

FUCK. Pitbull on leash. Pug off leash! This is fucking bullshit! Eg-fucking-zactly what I said probably happened. I am fucking livid right now. A dog is dead and also vilified due to an irresponsible owner that isn't even its own.

[bballguy]

I think it's pretty awesome he writes that whole thing and yet doesn't mention once or even take a HINT of responsibility about the fact that HIS DOG had another dog's NECK in his mouth.

I wasn't there and can't say for sure what would have happened, but it seems pretty likely based on the fact that the pug went for emergency surgery that there is a pretty good chance that a little more time could have meant the end for the pug.

How Pandora killing an old man's pug is somehow less of a tragedy than the old man killing Pandora to save his pug doesn't really make sense to me...

Mark

Huh? She said the pug was off-leash in an on-leash area...If true, the old man is completely at-fault, regardless of who bit who....

[westopher]

I think it's pretty awesome he writes that whole thing and yet doesn't mention once or even take a HINT of responsibility about the fact that HIS DOG had another dog's NECK in his mouth.

I wasn't there and can't say for sure what would have happened, but it seems pretty likely based on the fact that the pug went for emergency surgery that there is a pretty good chance that a little more time could have meant the end for the pug.

How Pandora killing an old man's pug is somehow less of a tragedy than the old man killing Pandora to save his pug doesn't really make sense to me...

MarkBecause if someone is walking their dog in a LEASHED AREA IT MEANS KEEP YOUR FUCKING DOG ON A LEASH. Many people adopt dogs with behavioural problems and take every proper precaution to keep other dogs safe and their own dogs safe, then someone with an untrained dog gets in your dogs face. A fight ensues and that person has no way to remove their dog from the situation before it escalates. I don't know if you know much about dogs fighting, but there are a LOT of warning signs before it happens. Any responsible dog owner can see these signs and remove their dog before it escalates, but if you can only remove one dog from the situation that doesn't solve the problem. The tragedy is that a dog was killed by someones gross negligence, when neither dog should have been in the situation to begin with.

[Hondaracer]

Pretty sure neither if my dogs are clamping down on a another's neck regardless of on or off leash

And for me, if a dogs going to wrap it's jaws around anther dogs neck it's a pretty big lol @ letting it be around little kids all the time
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[quasi]

I take it back, if that is indeed the case that the pitbull was leashed and the other dog was not that's kind of fucked up. I've had my dog attacked before well he was leashed other dogs were not, I was bitten getting the dogs off him.

I can't stand people that can't or don't control there animals so if that is really what happened the guy shouldn't have stabbed the dog. I don't care how friendly your dog is or how nice it is put a leash on it and keep it away from me unless I approach it I might just football kick it through some imaginary uprights.

[Gumby]

In light of this new information (pug was off-leash in a on-leash area, pitbull was on-leash):

Damn you media, for spinning this story against pitbulls! Way to conveniently forget the important details! :flamemad:

[GS8]

I don't really want to use up my emotions until it can be verified or the new information on this case will be released.

As it stands, you have a 72 year old man, his pug, a pitbull and a knife.

Pitbull has pug in mouth, Man stabs Pitbull to death.

Since most people on the Internet never read articles thoroughly (only glance), chances are with the keywords above ^ they will instantly draw their own conclusions regardless of the what actually transpired.

Needless to say, one of things that irks me the most are people who assume to know animal behavior but have ZERO credentials.

Every dog needs to be trained. Every adoptable dog needs to be rehabilitated and possibly retrained not just for our safety but for its own safety.

Calling a tiny yet destructive dog's behavior 'cute' is going full retard.

[Mike Oxbig]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.



Pitbull Rage


Pitbulls. Weather you think they are the best dogs and you allow them to be next to your children or come close to adults, somewhere, sometime, the pitbull can revert to his basic instincts to kill. You may not have seen what a pit bull can do, but this mini,
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uaIUkVAuWgA/TNc2evaVZ4I/AAAAAAAAAD0/zLjOC-r02t0/s320/DSC00098.jpg
is the aftermath of two pitbulls that mauled all three miniature horses of my wifes animal rescue and neighborhood petting zoo. This was seen by the kids in the neighborhood.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uaIUkVAuWgA/TNd35wXJCVI/AAAAAAAAAEE/JClUm5UYWwc/s320/DSC00145.jpg

Not a pretty sight. The vet that came on this emergency, worked 4 + hours stitching this horse back together again. The mini still died the next day. The wound, loss of blood and trauma was to great for the mini to bear. The mother to this mini was more saddened than I have ever witnessed a horse to be. She did not even want to leave it's side and did not want us to take it to bury it. The mother knew,... she and the father to this horse were also mauled and knew the pain the baby had gone thru. It will be a long road to recovery for the mother and father miniature.
Pitbulls always seem to start off gentle and kind, but then then some switch at some time turns them into killers. You never see the kids or adults that have been mauled, but this should give you some idea of what they themselves may have gone thru.

[mk1freak]

That's why all my dogs get leashed when out even the little ones.

[fliptuner]

If I let my Yorkie run around, free, on an ON LEASH trail and she was mauled by a dog who was on leash cause she came too close, guess what.... I FUCKED UP.

What if the pug ran into the street and got run over, would he blame the car?

[Nlkko]

Damn shame. I think both sides share the blame for this tragedy. The old fart for violating the on-leash bylaw and the pitbull's owner for letting it escalate to the point of no return. Most of the time, you can always predict your dog's mental state by looking its body language. I'm always extra alert of the environment around my dog on or off leash. I believe the onus is on the owner to prevent their dogs from hurting another dogs or human regardless if the other dogs/humans were a total fucked up or not.

[vitaminG]

a dog is like a baby, how could a baby be born and first thing on its mind is "I m gonna grow up to hunt, kill, herd"

unless someone could give me scientific proof that a Dog can be bred into killing and all that I dont believe it.



Lol do you even know how dogs fucking work??

You must be that stereotypical pitbull owner who knows nothing about dogs or training.
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[westopher]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.



Show me a fucking dog breed over 60 lbs that couldn't do that. Guess what, other breeds of dog have mauled other animals. I saw a husky take down a deer. It doesn't mean that all huskys are inherently dangerous.

[fliptuner]

Damn shame. I think both sides share the blame for this tragedy. The old fart for violating the on-leash bylaw and the pitbull's owner for letting it escalate to the point of no return. Most of the time, you can always predict your dog's mental state by looking its body language. I'm always extra alert of the environment around my dog on or off leash. I believe the onus is on the owner to prevent their dogs from hurting another dogs or human regardless if the other dogs/humans were a total fucked up or not.

If the pug was running amuck, in front of the pit, I wouldn't blame the owner.

[snails]

im going to jump on the "breed' bandwagon.. kinda but not really

i dont wanna say i dont like pit bulls or w/e but i just dont like big dogs in general, i dont care how well they are trained.. if that training runs short and instinct takes over then big dogs can be very dangerous and i value my face..

same goes for a little dog being a dick or even a cat.. but in that case i know my face is still fine and all i have to worry about is a few scratches.

but as goes for the topic, if that pitty was as well trained as he should have been then even that little rat of a dog running around should have been safe. if its that easily provoked whats to say that a small child couldn't provoke it either...


i dont wanna hear "little dog provoked him" because if this were a case of just a smaller guy provoking a bigger guy, bigger guy snapping and trying to kill the small guy that would still be an attempted murder case.. obviously animals arnt people but if they are trained as well as they should be if they want to be in public then the theory still stands..

end of the day the older man deserves one hell of a ticket for having the dog off a leash.. and the owner of the pitty should consider trainer the next dog a little more extensively.. if it cant handle being in public then it shouldnt be.

[fliptuner]

but dogs /= people

When my rottie was in the process of being trained and overly friendly (could be mistaken for aggression to those unfamiliar with dogs), I always made a point to nudge her over, around kids. If we were on a sidewalk, I'd actually get completely off, so people could pass with lots of room. Most parents understood or I'd tell the parents she was still training. Worst case, if a kid came running, I'd nudge the kid away with my free leg. Dogs are different though. If they're free, they can come from all angles and shit can happen in an instant.

My point is, if the situation is as described in the PB owners post, I don't think she or the dog is to blame.

[snails]

but dogs /= people

When my rottie was in the process of being trained and overly friendly (could be mistaken for aggression to those unfamiliar with dogs), I always made a point to nudge her over around kids.

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

[NNT]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.




Geez, it's not the breed, any dog over 50lb can do such a damage. its the human who let the dog do such a thing.

[fliptuner]

I edited my post.

It's my opinion that the PB owner did enough to ensure the safety of others on the trail but there are instances, like other people's negligence, that can't be put on her.

[fliptuner]

Watching this on the news right now and no mention of if the pug was off leash but still condemning the pit....... :suspicious:

[snails]

I edited my post.

It's my opinion that the PB owner did enough to ensure the safety of others on the trail but there are instances, like other people's negligence, that can't be put on her.

not really enough... it still had an animal in its mouth.. if you dont have full control i dont think the dog she be in public.. kinda the same how if a car accident occurs because of lack of maintenance done to the vehicle that caused a failure, the owner/operator of that vehicle will be found at fault.

[NNT]

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

Understand your concern but you cant judge a dog by its size/breed. a smaller dog can do as much damage if not trained. Home depot used to be dog allowed but not anymore after their employee got bitten in store which need rush to hospital and need a nose surgery about 2 years ago.
the dog? a shih tzu in the shopping cart, one of the dog that no one would predict doing an attack at all. now shell we ban all Shih Tzu?

[melloman]

Blame should be put both ways to an extent.

This has nothing to do with the dog breed. It is a case of training.

Regardless of whether the pug was on-leash or off-leash, the man should've been able to control his dog. Same goes with the pitbull's owner. If a dog is truly trained well, and understands his superior, he will obey the commands given.

If the pitbull latched onto the pugs neck, then a simply "let go" or "drop" command should've released the pug and the situation would've ended. The pitbull's owner clearly didn't have control of the pitbull and this escalated way too quickly.
I know people are going to say "but the pitbull went to it's instincts and had tunnel vision or something." No. Clearly then it's not WELL trained.

Dependent on the on-leash/off-leash situation, the man should be then be charged against the bylaw. And if it does come out that it was off-leash, he should be charged with animal cruelty.

[blagh]

some dogs are just aggressive towards other dogs regardless of how friendly they are towards humans.

[GS8]

You need to understand a dog's psychology. Not every breed will yield the same traits. Some dogs are older breeds than others and will display primitive traits.

The bottom line is the truly dangerous dogs (spaniels, chows, dachshunds etc.) are the ones most sought after simply based on appearance or through the media (movies, cartoons).

Naivety and ignorance is what gets people hurt and dogs killed.

Some people are just obsessed with looks alone but a dog is not a car or a watch.

[zilley]

I love it. I just love it.

All these ignorant assholes that can't follow the bylaw.

And the screams for help when their at fault.

I hope this pug owner gets charged.

Poor Pit.

[snails]

I love it. I just love it.

8/10 ?


:badpokerface:

[Great68]

Hearing that the pug was unleased, when the pitbull was on leash really pisses me off.

Unfortunately it looks like there will be no charges.

If I was in the woman's shoes, part of me would want to find out where the old fuck lives and shank his dog on him.

[XplicitLuder]

not really enough... it still had an animal in its mouth.. if you dont have full control i dont think the dog she be in public.. kinda the same how if a car accident occurs because of lack of maintenance done to the vehicle that caused a failure, the owner/operator of that vehicle will be found at fault.

What I don't like about this is you're saying the dog shudnt be in public since the owner never had full control of her? That's like saying , going with your car theme here, that no one should be on the road because you never know when your brakes just might fail. You think you're on control, like the owner did as she was following the bylaws, but you never know when you won't be. While I side more with the woman as she had her dog In a leash and I dislike smaller dogs more (inb4 hate), the pug owner shud have followed rules. Plain n simple. If the pug was in a leash the dogs maybe woulda never crossed each other as you can steer them away, and in the case of a fight almost starting you could maybe yank the leash with the dog to move him away?
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[zilley]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.




who the fuck really carries a knife with them to walk a dog.

[nma]

I have an Akita, which is in the same category of "aggression". She is the nicest dog you'll meet, but at times we do confront other dogs that brush off the wrong way or she just doesn't like. The warning signs are there and apparent, and usually it is the dogs off-leash in an on-leash area that provoke the most aggression. I always remain calm but I know for sure that if the other dog does something my girl doesn't like, it's going to be bad news for the other dog. I do everything to avoid conflict, but it is retarded how ignorant other owners are. Dogs are like people, they don't automatically just love everyone they see.

My dog is poked and walked over by my two nieces day and night, she just lays there and licks/watches over them with care. She licks other children, guests, and anyone else that cares enough to say hi to her. She is 110 lbs, and if a dog comes and does something that isn't right in her eyes, then it's your job to get YOUR dog away. I can easily tell her to go and pull her away, but if your dog follows... sorry that's YOUR fault.

She is a very friendly dog, and I've had her play with dogs many times. When she was a puppy I used to walk her to the park every day to get used to being around kids and other dogs. I don't let her off-leash as much anymore because she can get grumpy sometimes, and she really doesn't know how strong she really is. I think she can accidentally play fight and maul a small dog without even realizing it. It's my responsibility to make sure my dog is under control at all times. Just because your dog is SUPER friendly doesn't mean it can't provoke shit with other dogs.

[MindBomber]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.

I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.




I will bring this to your attention: these injuries were inflicted on a full-size donkey by an Irish Setter. A full-size donkey is about the size of a small horse (about 4' at the shoulder) compared to a mini-horse which is clumsy and about the size of a large dog. This means a full-sized donkey is much more formidable prey than a mini-horse. An Irish Setter is a gun breed that is closely related to the Golden Retriever and Labrador Retriever, and a fabulous family dog due to the great temperament. The Irish Setter attacked the donkey from behind and did this damage.

(VERY graphic).

http://s7.postimg.org/jbdw7poez/Oct2005_021.jpg

Your post is nothing but a foolish, uninformed appeal to emotion made popular by the Helen Lovejoys who want to ban Pitbulls, but no one here is unintelligent enough to not see straight through it.

FUCK. Pitbull on leash. Pug off leash! This is fucking bullshit! Eg-fucking-zactly what I said probably happened. I am fucking livid right now. A dog is dead and also vilified due to an irresponsible owner that isn't even its own.

Honestly, it's easy to predict because it's so fucking common. Aggressive little dogs running wild without the owners control are everywhere, because they're too 'little' to cause any harm. Fuck those owners.

[bballguy]

^
^
In general, Akita's HATE other dogs off leash when they themselves are leashed...



Your post is nothing but a foolish, uninformed appeal to emotion made popular by the Helen Lovejoys who want to ban Pitbulls, but no one here is unintelligent enough to not see straight through it.

http://i.qkme.me/3rnvk6.jpg

[snails]

What I don't like about this is you're saying the dog shudnt be in public since the owner never had full control of her? That's like saying , going with your car theme here, that no one should be on the road because you never know when your brakes just might fail. You think you're on control, like the owner did as she was following the bylaws, but you never know when you won't be. While I side more with the woman as she had her dog In a leash and I dislike smaller dogs more (inb4 hate), the pug owner shud have followed rules. Plain n simple. If the pug was in a leash the dogs maybe woulda never crossed each other as you can steer them away, and in the case of a fight almost starting you could maybe yank the leash with the dog to move him away?
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lets go with that then.. if i neglected my maintenance and that was the case you are right it would be my fault... and thats why there is such a thing as a VI, for cars unsafe to be on the road.. if you dont trust your dog isnt going to latch on to something neck then you shouldnt bring it out, just like if i dont trust that my car will stop safely.. it would be pretty stupid for me to bring it out..

like driving you are responsible the be prepared for worst case senario...

ei. if a car slams on its brakes infront of you, you are expected to have kept far enough away for you to safely stop..

what were you saying ? who is to say that couldnt have been a kid running around and the dog grabbed the kid. clearly the owner didnt ahve enough control or that dog off its leash would have just been annoying, not possible dinner. and i dont think the old guy was in the right either, he should face his leash ticket and whatever else the law states has to be done.

[nma]

^
^
In general, Akita's HATE other dogs off leash when they themselves are leashed...

Yeah which pisses me off a lot, because I walk her in an on-leash area 90% of the time.

lets go with that then.. if i neglected my maintenance and that was the case you are right it would be my fault... and thats why there is such a thing as a VI, for cars unsafe to be on the road.. if you dont trust your dog isnt going to latch on to something neck then you shouldnt bring it out, just like if i dont trust that my car will stop safely.. it would be pretty stupid for me to bring it out..

like driving you are responsible the be prepared for worst case senario...

ei. if a car slams on its brakes infront of you, you are expected to have kept far enough away for you to safely stop..

what were you saying ? who is to say that couldnt have been a kid running around and the dog grabbed the kid. clearly the owner didnt ahve enough control or that dog off its leash would have just been annoying, not possible dinner. and i dont think the old guy was in the right either, he should face his leash ticket and whatever else the law states has to be done.


You don't just run up to someone's dog and touch it without the owner's permission. That's what other dogs do. They run up and sniff / harass your dog without you being able to do much. Dogs also react differently vs other dogs compared to humans. On-leash dogs are usually more defensive against off-leash dogs.

[zilley]

Pitbull stabbed to death on Kits Beach | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/11/21/pitbull-stabbed-to-death-on-kits-beach/)

this is the FIRST FUCKING sentence to begin

"Vancouver Police say a 72-year-old man was walking his pug at around 1 p.m. yesterday when he was approached by a woman who was walking a pit bull."

how the fuck was the old fuck approached by the woman and her pit.
just WTF.

I seriously imagine this lil bitch ass pug running up to the pitbull and taunting the fuck outta it and possibly even sending signals way before they even got close.

[GLOW]

This was a clearly marked area: dogs should be kept on leash, as posted by the city bylaws. Funny thing is, it was this negligent old man who irresponsibly let his own dog run around freely: he did not have control of his own dog.

Today a man killed a dog. He screamed these words “You hurt my dog. You deserve to die” And then he took out a knife and repeatedly stabbed Pandora until she died. And as Pandora lay their lifeless, this old man fled the scene with his dog in an SUV.

if this is true...wow...

[valent|n0]

I think both are at fault.

If I was walking a pit and my pit is on leashed. I damn make sure I have full control of the pit.

I heard "control your dog" mentioned a lot here. and that goes for both leashed pit and the unleashed pug

I am sure if both were responsible dog owner, this will not happen
1. The pit owner can kneel down and hold the pit
2. the pug owner has the pug on leashed and keep the distance

without seeing the incident in real time
I say the blame is 50/50 , he said , she said

now if we discuss about the end result.
the pit is dead
the pug is alive ..
and since it is 50/50 both the pit owner and the pug owner should be banned from owning a dog ...
the pug should be taken away and given up for adoption

[zilley]

quote from the Pits family

Today a man killed a dog. He screamed these words “You hurt my dog. You deserve to die” And then he took out a knife and repeatedly stabbed Pandora until she died. And as Pandora lay their lifeless, this old man fled the scene with his dog in an SUV.

the old mean screaming these words, he didnt even want to try and break them apart.
he just wanted this dog to die for "hurting" his dog.

honestly, the pit probably would have let go, if it was being pulled or w.e. other way OTHER THAN being stabbed. I only see stabbing this dog to cause more aggression build up and making it worse.

in the End, I think this old man has issues.

[Stealthy]

Too bad it wasn't this pitbull

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Pitbull_2,_2012.jpg

:troll:

[Manic!]

Breed is just the animal term for race. Claiming one race is more violent than another is just raciest.

[zilley]

Red lines, you must be this old man's son. :woot2:

[trancehead]

Breed is just the animal term for race. Claiming one race is more violent than another is just raciest.

I disagree
there is such a notion of human biodiversity

also read throughout this thread. im not too familiar with dogs, but it has been stated that Rotweillers are of the 'chaser kind'

[fliptuner]

What if the PB was offleash and it was a golden retriever on leash. The PB annoys the GR and then the GR bites the shit out of the PB. Then the PB owner stabs the GR to death.

[Lomac]

Pitbull stabbed to death on Kits Beach | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2013/11/21/pitbull-stabbed-to-death-on-kits-beach/)

this is the FIRST FUCKING sentence to begin

"Vancouver Police say a 72-year-old man was walking his pug at around 1 p.m. yesterday when he was approached by a woman who was walking a pit bull."

how the fuck was the old fuck approached by the woman and her pit.
just WTF.

I seriously imagine this lil bitch ass pug running up to the pitbull and taunting the fuck outta it and possibly even sending signals way before they even got close.

Just another example of why I got out of the media industry. Reporters didn't like me telling them how much of an awful job of spinning stories they were doing... lol

[cruz-in]

Dogs, regardless of breed, are reflections of their owner(s).

^THIS

[cruz-in]

My dog used to think that hes protecting me from crazy stupid shit, but in fact, im the one protecting him.

as a matter of fact, when i walk my dog, he knows fucken authority. He knows not to fuck around and bark randomly. Other wise i give him a death stare and make annoying sounds.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3903174400/h88675376/

[Lomac]

Pit Bull and Chicks : Day # 7 - YouTube

[Nlkko]

the pug should be taken away and given up for adoption

Which could mean euthanasia for the pug. It'w a tough world for a lot of pets ended up in the pound.
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[Hondaracer]

While I was kind of the mindset "it's pitbull what do you expect"

After seeing the news hour tonight it's pretty obvious the old guy just lost it and went buck, the pug was
On the news with him and he had one little visible mark near his ear and then the guy went into "and he just got into his cancer treatment and he has a phscyological problem with his rear end!"

:S
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[Cman333]

i hate irresponsible dog owners..


Fixed :)

[Nlkko]

Lol and the fucking initial news reported that the pit "chomped down on the pug's neck". I was picturing the pit has the whole head of the pug in its mouth. It was a bit at the ear. The pit doesn't deserved to be stabbed to death. That's so fucked up.

[zilley]

Fuck, I said it.

This old man has ISSUES FFS.

[spoon.ek9]

dear god people, the amount of stupid responses in this thread is alarming. if you haven't owned a dog (and i mean REALLY owning a dog, not the dog your parents took care of for you), you have no idea what it is you are talking about.

take it from someone who has four boys, different breeds and all with different characters and tendencies: the small dogs are not innocent. if anything, they are 99% the shit disturbers. want proof? the dog I rescued and adopted is ALWAYS starting shit with my other boys :lol

And guess what? HE GOES FOR THE NECK EVERY SINGLE TIME. He's a friggin' Westie, definitely not what society deems an agressive breed. Who is he attacking? My huskies and my first boy (he's a big boy mix, 1/4 pit). If it were up to my first boy, all he'd do all day is eat, sleep, play with chewing toys and walk with me. You bet your ass my Westie goes over to him unprovoked to start shit and make a play fight out of nothing. After a few nasty barks, my Westie (mostly) knows not to fuck with him because he recognizes he doesn't like it. But guess what? Other small dogs don't know this. They see another dog, they RUN over to greet them and more often than not it is in an aggressive fashion or at the very least, it startles the bigger dogs who react either instinctively or in the way they have been conditioned to do so. Also, let's not forget, little dogs jump. My first reaction when another dog approaches is to shorten the leash but if a small dog lunges at my boys there isn't much of anything I can do about that.

Someone suggested earlier that the pit owner could have leaned forward to pick up the pug. Clearly, you have never walked a 90lb+ dog. CLEARLY. Not only is that not an option, it is the wrong thing to do. If anything, you shorten the leash, pull your dog back and block with your legs as best you can.

All of my boys have had formal training and I can tell you that there will always be tough situations that you cannot 100% control. Why? Because you can't control other owners. The key point here is that dog training is MORE about training the OWNER than it is training the DOG. People don't understand this until they've gone through with actually training their dog(s) with professionals.

Bottom line here is if that pug were on it's leash, NONE OF THIS would have occurred in the first place. I don't see why that's so hard to understand. There's a lot more I want to say but this is getting too long winded..

[hal0g0dv2]

Shouldn't the lady be able to control the dog. Don't get me wrong dogs are fuking strong but if u can't pull the dog off or pick it up then that is kinda silly. Might sound stupid and I know everyone's response is the best but I don't get the whole, not being able to handle the situation or fight if your dog is attacking another dog
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[spoon.ek9]

when you own a large breed, it's not about being able to pick it up. it's about being able to stop the dog and snap him/her out of that mindset of defend/attack. not everyone can do it but that's generally because people haven't been trained on how to. this goes for small dogs as well.

at the end of the day, the pitbull owner does share part of the responsibility but the main point is this entire thing was preventable with a simple leash on the pug.

as much as training plays a role, there are unexpected situations that arise where it's hard for us owners to react in time let alone make the correct decision in a flash. i've been in a situation where a gigantic dog broke it's leash and aggressively approached/barked at my four boys. i stood my ground, settled them down with calm energy as much as possible and shortened their leashes. how many people would have reacted the same? people react different to danger and dogs feel that. they also need to know who's in charge at all times. it may sound simple but i can assure you it is not; not in the slightest.

[fliptuner]

i dont wanna hear "little dog provoked him" because if this were a case of just a smaller guy provoking a bigger guy, bigger guy snapping and trying to kill the small guy that would still be an attempted murder case.. obviously animals arnt people but if they are trained as well as they should be if they want to be in public then the theory still stands..


little dog provoked him :troll:

It's actually true though. If someone randomly got in your face while you were walking with your GF, you'd probably be like, "Dude, WTF? GTFO of here!!!!"

Well, dogs don't talk; they growl, bark and bite (some scurry) when provoked. Any owner should know this. Another reason the pug should've been on-leash.

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

There's risk with everything in life - driving, crossing the street, hooking up jumper cables, biting into a hotpocket....

The question is: under the circumstances, was the pitbull owner negligent? Based on the available information, I say no.

Don't forget, the pug was off-leash on an on-leash path. More than likely, the pug went right up to the pit, face to face and startled it/pissed it off. This wouldn't happen if the pug owner had control of his dog. Hell, even toddlers are taught that before approaching an unfamiliar dog, to ask the owner if it's okay.

[multicartual]

Pugs are sassy and I've seen them start numerous fights, and lose

[MeowMeow]

My dog got bitten by another dog (small breed though) at an a elementary school
If that dumb bitch had the dog on a leash it wouldn't have happened
It clearly says before you enter the park that all dogs must be on a leash
She kept on arguing that there were no such law
When I called the cop she shat bricks and ran off after putting it on a leash

Fuck all the dumb owners who won't leash their dogs at leash enforced parks

[Gh0stRider]

sooner or later, there maybe a muzzle requirement.

[Nlkko]

For the people who said the pit owner should have stopped the attack, it's really tough to snap a dog out of that mental state after he has already bit the pug. Even more so for muscular breed like pits. It's kinda the point of no return and the stabbing could have happened very quickly.
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[melloman]

After seeing the 6 o'clock news last night, and seeing the Pug happy, not traumatized, with what seemed to be a superficial cut on its ear..

I hope the pug owner gets fined for:
-dog on-leash bylaw
-cruelty to animals

And finally, has his dog removed from him. He does NOT deserve an animal. He clearly over-reacted and should be seriously punished for it.

[thumper]

latest news i heard on the radio this morning was that the pug was off-leash in a designated leashed area and the pitbull bit the pug in the ear after being approached by the barking pug, not "attacked and latched on to the neck" as reported in some of the media :rolleyes:

SPCA to conduct necropsy on fatally stabbed pit bull | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/she-didn-t-deserve-this-owner-of-fatally-stabbed-pit-bull-says-1.1553910)

[zilley]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK SO MAD.

[smoothie.]

Ear? Fuck that. Old man is Dexter

[RRxtar]

it depends on how you read the story, and what parts you pick out of it. i dont entirely believe the owner of the pitbull

but we need to hear a witness account.

In an interview with CTV News, the owner of a pit bull stabbed to death in a Vancouver park is sharing a dramatically different account of the frightening incident.

Samantha Fairbridge said her friend Lyndsey Harkonen was walking her dog Pandora through Kitsilano Beach Park in an on-leash area Wednesday afternoon when the incident occurred.

According to Harkonen, an off-leash pug belonging to an elderly man ran up to Pandora and began barking at her.

“It freaked her out, she felt threatened and she reacted like a dog would react. That wouldn’t have happened if the other man’s dog was on a leash,” Harkonen said Thursday. “She bit the pug on the ear, and the man came over and we had tried to get them apart, and his first reaction – he pulled out a knife and was yelling ‘you f---ing bitch, you deserve to die,’ so his intention was to kill her.”

Harkonen’s recollection is in stark contrast to the details released by Vancouver police, who said the 72-year-old and his dog were approached by Harkonen, not the other way around, and that the pit bull clamped down on the small dog’s neck – not it’s ear.

Police said the man cooperated with investigators and was not facing charges as of Wednesday night.

But Harkonen and Fairbridge claim it was the man who acted out of control.

“He stabbed her, and continued to stab her after she had let go of his pug, and he was crazy,” Harkonen said. “It was the scariest thing I have ever experienced.”

The number of times the dog was stabbed has not yet been confirmed by an SPCA necropsy, but Harkonen said it was upwards of 10. Then the man took his pug and left the scene before authorities arrived, she said.

Fairbridge said she is traumatized by what happened, and said it could have been prevented if the pug’s owner had kept his dog on leash.

“That was my best friend,” she said. “To some people it’s just a dog, but that was my best friend. She was taken and it wasn’t necessary…he killed her in such a horrible way, and that’s not okay.”

Police haven’t confirmed whether or not the pug was on a leash at the time of the incident.

Fairbridge wasn’t there when her dog was stabbed to death, but said she’ll wait for an official report from an SPCA necropsy to determine how many times Pandora was stabbed before she decides what to do next.

She said she knows the incident has prompted concerns about pit bulls – but maintained her dog was as gentle as they come, often playing with her sister's infant daughter.

“I don’t want this to paint the breed in a bad light. She was not a bad dog,” she said. “Anybody who ever met her. Even people who already didn’t like put bulls, they changed their mind after they met her. She didn’t deserve this.”

SPCA spokeswoman Marcie Moriarty said the attack will likely re-ignite the debate over dangerous dogs, but urged the public not to rush to judgment.

“It’s always tragic when you hear about dogs, dangerous dogs and dog fighting, and it really highlights the issue of – to be honest – responsible pet ownership,” Moriarty said Wednesday.

The organization wants to speak to the owners of both dogs, and check the results of the necropsy, before any decision is made about the case.

The attack came less than two months after Burnaby City Council voted unanimously to boost fines on dangerous dogs and make it harder for residents to own so-called “vicious breeds.”

Cliffs:
Pitbull owner was not with the dog
Friend of pitbull owner was with the dog
Pitbull owners friend says the pug ran up to the pitbull, not the other way around
Claims pitbull bit eat, not neck
Claims man rambo attacked pitbull and repeatedly stabbed pitbull like a lunatic


Need to have the SPCA release info on if the pug was bit in the ear or neck, but Id bet the friend of the owner of the pit is lying and was in the wrong

[mr_chin]

The man was walking his pug off leash at an on leash site, we know that's for sure.

What trigger the incident is most likely because the pug was off leash. Usually, when dogs are spoiled and treated like they're princess in their growing years, can show a cocky behavior that only other dog can sense.

Assuming with what we know, the pug did something to trigger the pitbull to go buck wild, because the pug was off leash. If the pitbull was naturally this aggressive, then this would not be the first time happening.

[westopher]

If you would have seen the photos/video of the pug, you would have seen a pug with a 1.5 inch patch near its ear where it was shaved for 8(?) stitches. This happened 100 meters from my front door, and I know the man that did it, and I can tell you for a fucking fact his dog was not on leash, and is NEVER on leash in that area. On multiple occasions his dog has approached mine, although never in an aggressive manor. It doesn't fucking matter here. The dog wasn't on leash, and if a dog is not on leash in an on leash area, you are at fault. Its like walking across the street against a red light. Its not the cars fault you got hit.

[white rocket]

Chiming in to express my disappointment and sadness. I'm sad that this type of occurrence happens far too often but is easily preventable with a little education. Disappointed at some of the responses and comments in here, which again, are easily preventable with a little education. I am, however, appreciative with the dog people in here. It's comforting to know that in a world filled with loving dogs that get fucked over by ignorant people that there are others on the flip side of the coin doing their best for dogs everywhere. Kudos to you :thumbsup:

If I were to add anything worth while my post would mimic that of spoon.ek9. church!!

[RRxtar]

Did not know the Pug was for sure off leash. That is definitely the problem. And for some reason I missed pages 2-5 in this thread lol

[123654123]

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

so if smart car swerves into an oncoming lane and gets crushed by semi because the semi driver was unable to "control/avoid", is the incident its the semi driver's fault? then should a surviving family member of the smart car driver have the intent and right to kill the semi driver?

to me the pit owner was in control by having a leash

pug was off leash and approached the pit and got fcked...

did the pug deserve to get fcked? no.
should the pit owner be able to "control/avoid" all unwanted situations? no.
should the pit and owner be at fault and receive all this negative media? no.
should the pit have been stabbed? no.
was the old man at fault for not having a leash in a marked area. yes.
did the old man escalate the situation by killing the pit. yes
was this all preventable? yes, at least to a larger degree if the old man had a fcking leash in a marked area for fck sakes own up to it if your dog gets fcked when you don't follow the rules

does shit happen? yes.

point is shit happens. its tragic, but the pit and owner do not deserve the negative media and if there is anything negative to highlight in this news story its the fact that the old man had his pug unleash in a marked area.

to put things in perspective if a large dog was not leashed in that area and it charged at a person unprovoked and the individual was threatened and decides to kick the dog should the owner have the right to stab the person?

the story is as simple as the old man broke the law and that lead to this accident...sounds like he does this regularly...an incident was bound to happen he was fortunate it wasnt this
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and it was unfortunate a pit was involved...the icing on this story is that the old man knew he fcked up and left the scene otherwise he wouldn't have

to those that hate pitbulls without having their own personal bad experience with them is plain fcking ignorant
and ideally hate should be assigned to an individual not a group
the media always takes a spin on things.
it was fortunate for them that a pit was involved so they can blow up the story and bash on specific unwanted breed.
its similar to having incidents in the US involving muslims
i find it disgusting when the media does nothing but propagate hate and label

rules are in place reason for a reason, if you choose to neglect them (in a way inviting unwanted situations/chaos) then lol bitch you have it coming



little dog provoked him :troll:
There's risk with everything in life - driving, crossing the street, hooking up jumper cables, biting into a hotpocket....

The question is: under the circumstances, was the pitbull owner negligent? Based on the available information, I say no.

Don't forget, the pug was off-leash on an on-leash path. More than likely, the pug went right up to the pit, face to face and startled it/pissed it off. This wouldn't happen if the pug owner had control of his dog. Hell, even toddlers are taught that before approaching an unfamiliar dog, to ask the owner if it's okay.

[westopher]

Every point in your post is fucking BANG ON. Thank you.

[GS8]

One of the reasons I left the media is because of their disgusting tactics to get ratings. Careful word play will make or break your view count. Most people nowadays don't read beyond what they are told and it's pathetic.

To top it all off, the media always has a 'get out of jail free' card in their pocket. They can ruin many lives through lies and misinformation and are almost never held accountable for it.

I watched the dude getting interviewed on Global. His demeanor and reactions suggest he was hiding something. He kept repeating the same statements while avoiding the questions directly. The questions that would actually shed light on what happened. He's probably trying to jump on the ant-pitbull wagon. For all we know, HE was the one who first stated the pit had bitten down on the pug's neck.

[zilley]

THANK YOU 123654123 THANK YOU.

people thought the old man flee because "pug was rushed to the vet for attention"
MY FUCKING ASS.

for all those that came into this thread to BASH on pitbull breeds, you guys are no better.

now that the story is more clear, what do you have to say now?

[westopher]

For the record, I just saw the old guy walking his pug less than 5 minutes ago. The dog is essentially uninjured. I made sure I crossed the street when I walked past.

[GLOW]

was the pug on a leash?

[westopher]

Yes. But it was on the sidewalk, towards fourth, not in the park. We will see if he actually shows some respect for the rules when I see him on the other side of the street.

[bballguy]

I'm sure he'll walk his dog on leash from now on, but the damage has already been done...

[melloman]

^^ If he doesn't throw stones at him. :accepted:

[GLOW]

^^ If he doesn't throw stones at him. :accepted:

he has a knife and not afraid to use it

[snails]

he has a knife and not afraid to use it

throw bigger knives at him.. :badpokerface:

[zilley]

What a shit bag. Shouldve walked in the dogs way and trip it over, see if the old man says "you hurt my dog, you deserve to die".

[Gumby]

What a shit bag. Shouldve walked in the dogs way and trip it over, see if the old man says "you hurt my dog, you deserve to die".
No, you should trip on the leash, then stab the old guy repeatedly for injuring you.

[bballguy]

http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/8142012195542etytery.jpeg

[mr_chin]

no matter what, if his dog was not on a leash at the time, it's fully his fault.

an unleashed dog will provoke other dogs by simple dog gestures.

imagine how the pitbull is feeling right now that her dog was wrongfully killed.

[bballguy]

imagine how the pitbull is feeling right now

Probably feeling pretty dead inside.

[zilley]

LOL, Fucking typo sure makes a difference.

[mk1freak]

inb4 butthurt
:fullofwin:

:troll:

[Yuffa]

Definately un-called for. That guy must have some deep-rooted issues.....=\

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

Open letter to owner of pit bull dog killed at Kitsilano Beach | Vancity Buzz | Vancouver Events, News, Food, Lifestyle and More (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/11/letter-to-owner-of-killed-pit-bull-dog/)


http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/11/statement-by-dog-owner-of-pit-bull-killed-in-kitsilano-stabbing-attack/
so many times, dumbass owners have their off leash dogs run towards mine and attempt to bite them. fucking retards

[zilley]

Thinking about it, have you guys thought about the fact.

this Pitbull did not turn around and bite the old man.

I believe this pitbull knows its NOT allowed to and she respects human beings.

[spoon.ek9]

^ truth. strong indication that the dog knew humans were in charge. only a well trained pit would cower instead of fight back.

[GS8]

What a shit bag. Shouldve walked in the dogs way and trip it over, see if the old man says "you hurt my dog, you deserve to die".

He's 72.

He'll be dead soon enough :accepted:

[duy-]

^ truth. strong indication that the dog knew humans were in charge. only a well trained pit would cower instead of fight back.

either way i was kind of expecting the pug to be in the animal hospital treated for serious lacerations and internal bleeding, im sure the pitbull was capable of that. really hope to see a thorough investigation here, and hopefully some more clear information before everyone starts jumping to conclusions.

[mr_chin]

either way i was kind of expecting the pug to be in the animal hospital treated for serious lacerations and internal bleeding, im sure the pitbull was capable of that. really hope to see a thorough investigation here, and hopefully some more clear information before everyone starts jumping to conclusions.

if what westopher say is true that the pug have no injuries then the old man obviously reacted to stabbing the pitbull pretty quickly. who knows? the pitbull is probably playing with the pug (yes, dogs do bite each other when they're playing)

[fliptuner]

if what westopher say is true that the pug have no injuries then the old man obviously reacted to stabbing the pitbull pretty quickly. who knows? the pitbull is probably playing with the pug (yes, dogs do bite each other when they're playing)

I've been to westopher's place, seen his dog and know he has a clear view of said path. If he says he's seen the pug off-leash, it was off-leash.

[negative.one]

The old man is at fault for not controlling his dog. The lady is at fault for not controlling her dog

/thread.


seriously though, I have owned a rottweiler/wolf breed cross for 8 years now. There have been times where he and another dog have began to scrap, but as soon as he hears my voice yell "stop" or "no", he would stop immediately. Even to the point of letting the other dog continue to bite him. If i tell him to stop, he stops. The pitbull owner did not have her dog trained well enough.

[123654123]

The old man is at fault for not controlling his dog. The lady is at fault for not controlling her dog

/thread.


seriously though, I have owned a rottweiler/wolf breed cross for 8 years now. There have been times where he and another dog have began to scrap, but as soon as he hears my voice yell "stop" or "no", he would stop immediately. Even to the point of letting the other dog continue to bite him. If i tell him to stop, he stops. The pitbull owner did not have her dog trained well enough.

People have different definitions on what a well trained dog is, and to my knowledge there isn't a law or benchmark to scale if your dog is unfit.

What is definitive is that the old man broke the law by not having his pug leashed.

I'm not saying having his pug leashed would have made this 100% preventable but it sure would have been to a larger degree.

So again, if you're gonna go around fcking #420yoloswag and breaking the rules then you have no right to bitch about a situation.

/thread

Now, if you would excuse me I'm going to check out the twanger thread cause this is all bullshit.

[maksimizer]

2muchbutthurt in one thread

[123654123]

merely a discussion i just find that

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[multicartual]

Wow nice doge

[HKS PWR]

Eyewitness to Pitbull stabbing step forward. His recollection of the event is quite different from the pitbull's owner. Apparently, today SPCA confirmed that the dog was stabbed three times (not stabbed repeatedly, up to 10 times), but hopefully more will be revealed after a full necropsy.

Eyewitness to tragic death of pit bull steps forward - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/987876/eyewitness-to-tragic-death-of-pit-bull-steps-forward/)

[fliptuner]

It’s like saving a child. People that are dog lovers or animal lovers will understand, it’s like your family.


So he let's his children run loose ???

[westopher]

Eyewitness to Pitbull stabbing step forward. His recollection of the event is quite different from the pitbull's owner. Apparently, today SPCA confirmed that the dog was stabbed three times (not stabbed repeatedly, up to 10 times), but hopefully more will be revealed after a full necropsy.

Eyewitness to tragic death of pit bull steps forward - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/987876/eyewitness-to-tragic-death-of-pit-bull-steps-forward/)
And his recollection seems to be different than the proven amount of stab wounds by the SPCA.
Lets try something here, and I'll even make it so its a fair comparison by upping the size comparisons of the dog to scale.

"Around 1 p.m., a 22-year-old Vancouver man was walking his Pitbull at the beach when he was approached by a woman with a King shepard.

After a brief introduction, the King shepard bit down on the neck of the smaller dog.

When the two owners could not separate the two dogs, the owner of the pitbull stabbed the King shepard with a folding knife.

The pitbull was rushed to a veterinary hospital for stitches to its neck and animal control attended for the king shepard.

The SPCA was notified of the case by Vancouver Police and has been given the Shepard. They will be conducting an autoposy to determine if the dog suffered.

The owners are cooperating with police.

Charges are not being considered at this time."
What do you think would have been the original comments from the average person if this was the story? It would have been a LOT different. People were quick to defend the pug owner in the original incarnation of the story before the new, and newer information came out. Do you think ANYONE would have defended the 22 year old pitbull owner in the EXACT story?

[iEatClams]

Hate is a strong word.

For me, I am scared of pitt bulls, dobermans, bull dogs, rottweilers, and boxers. Only because they are more aggressive breeds by nature and I don't trust the people walking these dogs as a lot of owners of these dogs are lazy and have not trained their dogs properly.

It's just hard for me to like these dogs when i'm afraid of what these dogs can do to me, especially if they are not trained properly. I have had a really bad experience with a doberman and a rottweiler, so whenever I see either of them I get pretty scared.

that's the thing. I really think many of the people that choose to own these type of dogs do not have proper education, training or even the proper IQ level to own a type of dog with this type of strength. it's somewhat of a stereotype, but many (not all) of these type of owners just want to own one to be cool, or look tough etc.

the dog's behaviour is a reflection of its owner. nice friendly owner that properly trains their dog = nice friendly dog.

wanna be cool owner that doesnt properly train them and you get something that can cause damage if it's a bigger dog.

[fT-z33wor]

It's horrible the incident happened, but until the end of the investigation there's just so much speculation on both sides at this point, and I'd say even then we'd never really get the complete picture.

Spur of the moment eye witness accounts can be a double edge sword as they're not always 100% accurate when you throw in variables like the commotion at the time plus the adrenaline kicking in.

[fliptuner]

It's horrible the incident happened, but until the end of the investigation there's just so much speculation on both sides at this point, and I'd say even then we'd never really get the complete picture.

Spur of the moment eye witness accounts can be a double edge sword as they're not always 100% accurate when you throw in variables like the commotion at the time plus the adrenaline kicking in.

As far as I'm concerned, there are enough facts on the table for me to determine who's at fault.

I should also point out that the witness says the PB was stabbed once, whereas the SPCA released that it was actually stabbed 3 times. He also states the pug owner left the scene to tend to his dog. How does he even know this? He implies that the PB handler exaggerated her account of the incident, yet is inaccurate in his own. He makes no mention that the pug was off-leash and if it went up to the PB - I find that awfully convenient.

It's totally feasible that the witness and the pug owner are, at the least, acquaintances and he's therefore defending him. And why would he go to the news before going to the authorities or SPCA?

Why did the media either not ask or not televise the witnesses account of whether the pug was on a leash? Because it's easy to vilify the big, bad pitbull, victimize the cute, lapdog and ignore the fact that it's owner didn't have control of his dog and killed another dog. Otherwise, the story would read: Offleash dog gets bitten and owner kills leashed dog.

I guess a 70yo man and his cute dog can do no wrong because it sells newspapers.

[parm104]

Eyewitness to Pitbull stabbing step forward. His recollection of the event is quite different from the pitbull's owner. Apparently, today SPCA confirmed that the dog was stabbed three times (not stabbed repeatedly, up to 10 times), but hopefully more will be revealed after a full necropsy.

Eyewitness to tragic death of pit bull steps forward - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/987876/eyewitness-to-tragic-death-of-pit-bull-steps-forward/)

I think it goes without saying that when there are two sides to a story, generally people will side with the party they can relate to. We all come into a picture with our own biases and loyalties and I'm not saying the gentleman that came forward is lying; but I will say that it's equally possible that he's defending a fellow small dog owner.

You may be a dog owner who loves all types of dogs, small, big, rescued, bred, etc. but not everyone will feel the same way. Like we said, a dog is a reflection of the owner and therefore the type of dog the owner buys will also be a reflection likewise amongst other SIMILAR dog types/owners.

[thumper]

citytv news this morning interviewed a witness. i only caught the 5 second highlight before going to work. the witness said the man was doing everything to get the pitbull off his dog, even going as far as trying to pry its jaws open with his hands, before using the knife.

there was more in the interview... maybe someone else caught it and can add more comments.

[m3thods]

^That was pretty much it. 5 second clip saying the pug owner did everything from prying jaws to gouging eyes then, as a last resort, stabbed the PB.

It did look like a shoddy cut job to accentuate the fault on the PB owner, but the clip showed that he was clearly defending the old man's actions.

[MindBomber]

citytv news this morning interviewed a witness. i only caught the 5 second highlight before going to work. the witness said the man was doing everything to get the pitbull off his dog, even going as far as trying to pry its jaws open with his hands, before using the knife.

there was more in the interview... maybe someone else caught it and can add more comments.

The witness on citytv sounds like the one interviewed for the global article, which is being responded to above.

The witness isn't credible, in my opinion, because he's:
coming forward five days after the fact;
coming forward to the media, not investigators;
claiming the stab wounds were not repeated, when the SPCA has confirmed three;
not making mention of the off-leash issue, whether in the interview itself or in the comments section where he's responded;
stating the old man rushed away due to his dog's injuries, but a observer would only be able to speculate about the motive;
stating the entire incident ended before he was in the immediate proximity, which causes doubt whether he was able to hear or see everything clearly.

I'm admittedly biased towards the PB and PB owner, but there's a lot of credibility issues to look past.

[Nlkko]

I think it's safe to say it's the human's fault in this case. From both sides. The old man did not leash his dog, and panicked when his pug was bitten by a much larger dog. The pitbull handler panicked when it bit the pug. Both of them made the situation worse.

A normal dog in the hand of an ignorant handler could be vicious given the circumstance. Dogs feed on the handler's energy. If the handler panicked and freakouted, a small skirmish could escalate to the level of fatality. I believe this to be the case here. How many time you walk down the block and see the owners/handlers control their dogs by pulling, dragging and yanking on the leash? They shouted out commands in sentence, which are useless because no dog can comprehend it.

I believe it is time for the humans from both side to man up and admit their mistakes instead of conducting a witch hunt to prove who is more wrong than the other.

[Brad Fuel]

From the eye witness. He posted this in the comments as a lot of his interview was cut out. You can hear the news anchor talking over him. Cut and pasted for you below:



St. Jacques
• a day ago
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This is St.Jacques. There was a lot left out in my story so here is what I'd like to add. The poor pitbull died in my arms. From the time it got stabbed to the time it passed away was approx. 25 seconds. I wish I could have been there moments earlier as I am younger and stronger than the 72 year old; perhaps this could have differed the outcome. But that's only because I know the techniques to stop a dog fight. What I did witness was no control from the pitbull's walker (room mate of the owner). What you don't do in a dog fight is pull on the leash on the dog (especially an aggressive breed) and act in hysterics (this just adds more to the state of aggression the dog already is in). I saw this first hand. RIP pandora. I think this should bring awareness for people to really educate themselves on why they are getting specific breeds. A lot of people get certain dog breeds for the wrong reasons and don't have the knowledge and trainIng it takes. although the pug was off leash, children are not on leashes and this could have been a child. I want to make this clear: I truly believe that the old man did his best with whatever power he had to avoid having to kill this beautiful animal but put in a situation where you feel and sense you have no other choices but to protect your loved one...I'm sorry to say but I would have done the same thing.

[westopher]

What is the point of him writing that? That doesn't bring forward any details of anything other than his opinions on breeds and how smart and strong he thinks he is. Pitbulls are NOT A FUCKING AGGRESSIVE BREED. There is no such thing as aggressive breeds, only aggressive dogs. I'm fucking sick of people comparing a dog to a child too. If the dog was fighting a child, go a fucking head and stab it. It was fighting a dog, who instigated the event.

[fliptuner]

What if it was a kid? What if it was the Pope? What if it was a blind midget?

The PB had no history of aggression - you can "what if" all you want.

The pug doesn't get to the PB if the it's owner doesn't let it run, free.

The subject of breed isn't a factor if the pug owner isn't negligent.

The pug owner facilitated the confrontation, period.

[RRxtar]

Another pitbull attack. This one killed the other dog. This one was the one off leash and apparently at fault as it ran across the street from a neighbours house and killed the smaller dog in its yard

A Keremeos couple is mourning the loss of their small dog, following a pit bull attack last Friday.

Angel, a 10-year-old maltese shitzu, died in the arms of her owner Donna Stolz. The second dog is slated to be destroyed today, Tuesday.

"It has left a hole in my heart," said Stolz. "I had Angel for 10 years, and you couldn't have asked for a better soul mate and little companion."

Stolz, who lives with her husband Wayne in Keremeos, had just carried the little dog out of the house to go to the bathroom, when the attack took place.

She turned around and the next thing she knew the bigger dog had Angel in its mouth and was tossing her around like a rag doll.

"It was such a shock, her intestines and liver were right on the steps," she said.

Stolz lay down on the pathway with Angel, and finally a group of people who were across the street came over.

She called the police and the female officer who showed up, took Stolz and Angel to a veterinary hospital in Osoyoos.

The dog was dead on arrival and Stolz asked that she be cremated.

Cpl. Martin Trudeau said the call came in to the Keremeos RCMP detachment around 4:30 p.m., but by the time an officer arrived on scene it was too late.


Photo: Deborah Pfeiffer - Penticton
Our best friend
He said the incident started when the pit bull got away from a home across the street unbeknownst to the owners, ran to the neighbour's home and attacked the shitzu.

"It was just in the front yard doing its thing, and the other dog mauled it," he said. "It appears to be purely prey driven."

The dogs were separated, but by then it was too late.

Police officers had not dealt with this dog before, but Wayne Stolz said they heard from a friend the dog had attacked another two weeks ago.

Once the police determined it was not a criminal matter, they contacted the bylaw officer in Keremeos on Monday. Trudeau later learned from the officer, the family had agreed to voluntarily turn the dog over.

The pit bull was taken to Penticton, where it was scheduled to be destroyed on Tuesday. No one answered the door at the home, where the dog lived.

disclaimer: I am not anti-pitbull. Just reporting the news.

[westopher]

Ok heres an unrelated story that has no relevance as well. Typical global attempt to fuel the fire.
A supposedly "gentle" pooch named Lucky is suspected of killing a 2-month-old baby and tearing the child's body apart in South Carolina.
Aiden McGrew, who was born on Valentine's Day and was the youngest of three children, was found dead in his family's mobile home Friday in Ridgeville by his mother, according to The Post and Courier newspaper.
The baby was in a swing when Lucky, a golden retriever-Labrador mix, bit the child several times and tore off his legs, authorities said.
The child's father, Quintin, was in the home at the time, police said. He was in another room asleep with the family's 3-year-old and their other dog.
The baby was discovered when his mother, Chantel, came home after taking their seven-year-old to a doctor's appointment, The Post and Courier reported.
"This... is about as bad as it can get for us as police officers," Dorchester County Sheriff L.C. Knight said at a press conference Friday. "I've been doing this a lot of years and haven't seen one like this."
It is unclear why the father did not wake up when the baby was attacked, police said. The mother told 911 at the time that her husband was still asleep when she got home.
Shirley Pargiello, 70, a next-door neighbor to the McGrew family, told The Post and Courier that Lucky was "a very gentle dog."
"It's a beautiful dog," she said. "I went over to say hi one day, and he came right up to me and stopped. I rubbed his head, then he left.”
No charges have been filed in the case, which police said was still "under investigation."
msheridan@nydailynews.com; or follow him at Twitter.com/NYDNSheridan


Read more: Dog killed 2-month-old baby, ripped child?s legs off while father slept in other room: police - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711#ixzz2lpZmyzyw)

[CRS]

Ok heres an unrelated story that has no relevance as well. Typical global attempt to fuel the fire.

Well, looks like I'm having fucked up dreams tonight.

[westopher]

Sorry, it is really gruesome. Just trying to make a point. Its just crazy how someone can stab a pittie to death and it still turns into a BAN PITBULLS PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN type of situation. Most people on here are pretty level headed about it, but you wouldn't believe the shit I have heard from some people. Sure enough in the same spot I was walking by and heard people talking about dangerous pitbulls, while the 3 of their dogs were all not on leash. A lab, and two little yorkies(?) or something like that. Sure enough, the yorkies charged my dog with a terrified gasp from the owner when she saw my dog. All monty did was play bow and hop from side to side a bit. The owner apologized, but seriously, what the fuck?

[mk1freak]

https://www.change.org/petitions/the-vancouver-police-lay-charges-against-the-man-who-killed-pandora-the-pit-bull

it's already begun :suspicious:

FYI I have no plans in signing this myself as I am of the mind that both parties could've done things better to keep their animals safe, but the petition does paint the old man in a bad light

[123654123]

best comment on that site

"The monster was wielding a knife. Maybe next time he should try holding a leash."

[PeanutButter]

Ok heres an unrelated story that has no relevance as well. Typical global attempt to fuel the fire.

Very odd the father didn't wake up. Moreso, the other dog didn't wake up. I always figured dogs have a keen ear for stuff like that.

That is a terrible story.

[ilovebacon]

thought it was the artist pitbull getting stabbed.. LOL.

But Damn.. Dog owners should have their dogs on a leash.
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[snails]

this is why I own fish.. worst case scenario I flush it down a toilet..

im very compassionate when it comes to animals so it dosnt really matter who is as fault, either way it sucks

[GLOW]

this is why I own fish.. worst case scenario I flush it down a toilet..

im very compassionate when it comes to animals so it dosnt really matter who is as fault, either way it sucks

you must have snails in your fish tank

[Culverin]

This is what you can do via breeding...

How a century of dog breeding ruined these beautiful animals (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/how-a-century-of-dog-breeding-ruined-these-beautiful-an-1477122149)


Some dogs have been bred to have a propensity of violence.
But that still doesn't excuse idiot owners.

[westopher]

The thing is, while pitbulls were bred for aggression back in the height of dog fighting days, we are talking 20-50 years ago that it has been where dog aggression has started to be bred out of them, and since the beginning pits with human aggression were taken out of the gene pool. Aggression still will exist in some dogs of any breed, but its not like it was from the origin of the breed where it is a desirable trait anymore. It will take some time to escape from the gene pool, and you will never get rid of the chance of aggression in any breed, but people need to understand how quickly they damaged these dogs and how quickly they can fix the problem. Punishment to the dumb fucking asshole that buys two dogs on kijiji to breed them and calls themselves a breeder would be a good start.