[Timpo]

Okay, is it just me?
Canada is first world country, but why is China considered as a third world country?

I mean, look.. what kind of third world country is this???? :fulloffuck:

http://johnrrogers.com/nwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Shanghai-174-Edit.jpg
http://www.bizjetadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/chinese-city-skyline.jpg
http://superjchung.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/guangzhoutwintowers0024pi.jpg
http://www.freeyou.cn/Avtars/Scenic/3179/big/2011-1-22-1695157271_427f5e03244c60337aec2c2d.jpg
http://www.kingdomsg.com/files/9512/8591/4030/Guangzhou%201.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Skyline_-_Hong_Kong,_China.jpg
http://www.woodsbagot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/China_Southern_Airport_City_N19_1920.jpg
http://cache.marriott.com/propertyimages/s/shajw/shajw_home01.jpg

http://paradiseintheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/shanghai.jpg

[BBMme]

Maybe it's because that's only 1% of China and the other 99% is fucked? Haha. Good question
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[Jmac]

China is a second-world country and you clearly have no idea what first-, second-, and third-world country mean.

First-world countries were allied with NATO during the cold war.

Second-world countries were allied with the USSR during the cold war.

Third-world countries were not allied with either group during the cold war.

[dlo]

^ what I would conclude too lol,there's a grading and china prob failed on it because of its vast land/high population
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm



those first world definitions are defined by the people that consider themselves first world lol.

aka the cool kids decided that they're cool.

it basically means which team you're on.

[604dragon]

after I read the title, I knew right at once this was a Timpo thread

[rcoccultwar]

I maybe solipsistic but China still needs an underwriter.

[HonestTea]

You should look at the smaller cities as opposed to big cities like Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Shenzhen, Dalian and Wenzhou etc etc.

[AzNightmare]

Thanks given for nice pics..

[Valour]

What about Dong Guan? That's a paradise city...
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[rsx]

there should be a brown haze in those pictures

[mikey2781]

A lot of people get confused by this because of those memes that says "first world problems".

[asian_XL]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Skyline_-_Hong_Kong,_China.jpg

Hong Kong is considered as second world? Hyde would be pissed

[NKC ONE]

What about Dong Guan? That's a paradise city...
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amen

[wstce92]

from afar they might look impressive. but take a walk through one of China's cities. Makes me want to kill myself.

[SkinnyPupp]

Okay, is it just me?
Canada is first world country, but why is China considered as a third world country?

I mean, look.. what kind of third world country is this???? :fulloffuck:

http://johnrrogers.com/nwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Shanghai-174-Edit.jpg
http://www.bizjetadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/chinese-city-skyline.jpg
http://superjchung.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/guangzhoutwintowers0024pi.jpg
http://www.freeyou.cn/Avtars/Scenic/3179/big/2011-1-22-1695157271_427f5e03244c60337aec2c2d.jpg
http://www.kingdomsg.com/files/9512/8591/4030/Guangzhou%201.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Skyline_-_Hong_Kong,_China.jpg
http://www.woodsbagot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/China_Southern_Airport_City_N19_1920.jpg
http://cache.marriott.com/propertyimages/s/shajw/shajw_home01.jpg

http://paradiseintheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/shanghai.jpg
Nice fake pictures of China.. here are the real versions

http://i.imgur.com/lef99jm.jpg
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-AR426_1206cp_M_20131205223408.jpg
http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/b/upi/UPI-28331297217537/2011/1/69db982101d6fd169151dc4b69195d0d/Cancer-risks-of-China-pollution-studied.jpg
http://cargocycling.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/airpollutionchina.jpg
http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/65253310_zmiv221o.jpg
http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img/upload/2013/01/14/china%20smog%202013%20FL8%20biz%20distr.JPG
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/files/2013/07/Shanghai-Air-Pollution.jpg
http://media.salon.com/2013/12/china-shanghai-pollution.jpeg2-1280x960.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

from afar they might look impressive. but take a walk through one of China's cities. Makes me want to kill myself.
I agree with this. Rural China however, is wonderful.

[SkinnyPupp]

And to answer the OP's idiotic question (not sure why it would even be worth the bother). Third World used to mean that it was neither first world (democracy) or second world (communist, which China is part of). However now it means developing country (where the majority of citizens extremely poor)

Because the vast majority of China's citizens are among the poorest people on the planet, it's considered a "third world" or "developing" country.

[Mr.HappySilp]

And to answer the OP's idiotic question (not sure why it would even be worth the bother). Third World used to mean that it was neither first world (democracy) or second world (communist, which China is part of). However now it means developing country (where the majority of citizens extremely poor)

Because the vast majority of China's citizens are among the poorest people on the planet, it's considered a "third world" or "developing" country.

What I don't is that China always claims how much more powerful they are in term ecomically, military etc etc... yet it seems like the gov refuse to spend any money on improving the lives of their citizens. Instead of spending billions upons billions on their millitary they could have spend some of that money to helping its citizens (program such as impriving the air quality, traffic, housing, health care........). Is like none of that matters to them as long they show the world they got a pretty face, its citizens can suffer and no one cares......

[rsx]

If there's one positive thing,,,rumor has it China has spent a considerable amount of money on Thorium nuclear reactors (for energy).

Thorium has been proven to be cost effective and much safer. Norway is testing one out now.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

it's cuz china takes care of what is important first... I think they're prioritizing economic stability over human life, because what's the point of human life, if you don't have a stable economy?

I should have said, what is "actually" important objectively.

i think we're laughing now, but they're not brutes.. they'll catch up fast and probably exceed us in, almost all aspects. as technology develops that can clean up pollution and help them pump out more energy, more efficiently, we'll be left behind.

technology will fix all their problems, and none of ours.

I'm sure they'll find their old chinese culture again. give them another 50-100 years.

[Gululu]

First world countries = US & Allies (japan, south korea, west europe, etc etc)

As For the rest of the states which did not buy into the US Democracy propaganda (following end of WWII) needless to say were clumped into 2nd & 3rd world countries.

[shenmecar]

it's cuz china takes care of what is important first... I think they're prioritizing economic stability over human life, because what's the point of human life, if you don't have a stable economy?

I should have said, what is "actually" important objectively.

i think we're laughing now, but they're not brutes.. they'll catch up fast and probably exceed us in, almost all aspects. as technology develops that can clean up pollution and help them pump out more energy, more efficiently, we'll be left behind.

technology will fix all their problems, and none of ours.

I'm sure they'll find their old chinese culture again. give them another 50-100 years.

wasn't it technology that caused pollution in the first place?

North America/Europe would never allow the way factories in China handle their manufacturing processes. Its not so much that technology that will solve their pollution crisis (that's just wishful thinking), the factories just need to abide by processes that don't pollute the environment.

[FerrariEnzo]

lol Timpo... first, second and third world doesnt mean how much money they have...

someone clearly needs to go back to school

[7seven]

:facepalm: Timpo, you should be classified as a third class citizen. I'm not joking either

[melloman]

Also agree.. Pictures were kinda missing... The deadly smog. :rukidding:

[Z3guy]

it's cuz china takes care of what is important first... I think they're prioritizing economic stability over human life, because what's the point of human life, if you don't have a stable economy?

I should have said, what is "actually" important objectively.

i think we're laughing now, but they're not brutes.. they'll catch up fast and probably exceed us in, almost all aspects. as technology develops that can clean up pollution and help them pump out more energy, more efficiently, we'll be left behind.

technology will fix all their problems, and none of ours.

I'm sure they'll find their old chinese culture again. give them another 50-100 years.

Without a true democratic society, it will be very difficult for them to catch up. What has China really done to drive global development other than providing cheap manufacturing?

[Mr.Money]

shopped photo's.....China is Fucked when it comes to Smog in that dirty forbiddin country

[will068]

How about researching why they are not considered an industrialized nation ?

E.g. Look up why the Financial Minister of China still says that they are a developing nation and their high level plans

Damn OP, so lazy at looking up trivial information.

[will068]

:facepalm: Timpo, you should be classified as a third class citizen. I'm not joking either


It would be an insult to citizens of those nations to classify the OP as the same rank as them.

[asian_XL]

lol Timpo... first, second and third world doesnt mean how much money they have...

someone clearly needs to go back to school

In his Timpo theory, with all the mainland Chinese moving to Vancouver, Vancouver is now a second world city lol
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[white rocket]

SkinnyPupp: I can't believe those pictures. It looks post-apocalyptic :ahwow:

[freakshow]

They're still a third world country cause they never made the GTR.

[SkinnyPupp]

SkinnyPupp: I can't believe those pictures. It looks post-apocalyptic :ahwow:
Record high levels in Shanghai last week. They told people not to go to the city if you don't have to. They are destroying their country before having the chance to achieve Ulic's utopian goal

[BeeBeeAhn]

Going to Shanghai next week. I'll let you guys know if my boogers turn black from the smog.

[SkinnyPupp]

Going to Shanghai next week. I'll let you guys know if my boogers turn black from the smog.
Pics or GTFO!

[BeeBeeAhn]

Pics or GTFO!

Made a note on my phone to take pictures of my black boogers. Just for you.

[knight604]

Going to Shanghai next week. I'll let you guys know if my boogers turn black from the smog.

tits or gtfo

[Traum]

Record high levels in Shanghai last week. They told people not to go to the city if you don't have to. They are destroying their country before having the chance to achieve Ulic's utopian goal
All that economic growth for the past 10-15 years is literally built right on top of a complete and wanton disregard for the environment. And now their entire population is paying for it... :okay:

[slingblade]

I still can not tell whether Timpo is a troll or not.

[$_$]

wasn't it technology that caused pollution in the first place?

North America/Europe would never allow the way factories in China handle their manufacturing processes. Its not so much that technology that will solve their pollution crisis (that's just wishful thinking), the factories just need to abide by processes that don't pollute the environment.

I hope you are joking? What do you think North America and Europe was doing during it's own industrial revolution? Do you think they were at all concerned about polluting the environment when they were pumping out factories? It's hypocritical to say that China isn't allowed to push it's economy through industrialization when Western countries did exactly that to propel it's own standards of living... Don't get me wrong, pollution is terrible, but industrialization is the only way for these countries to catch up on the global economy. As China turns it's economy more towards commerce,finance, and retail sales industry, it will push factories further and further inland or outsource to even poorer countries such as Vietnam or Philippines until it's no longer feasible to produce in China anymore, or just stick to high end consumer products. And the government has been coming down hard on environmental pollution - it's getting harder every year to run a factory in China.

[vyrospec]

lol Timpo... first, second and third world doesnt mean how much money they have...

someone clearly needs to go back to school

In his Timpo theory, with all the mainland Chinese moving to Vancouver, Vancouver is now a second world city lol
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Timpo's classification of country status is based on # of GTRs/capita

[Traum]

I hope you are joking? What do you think North America and Europe was doing during it's own industrial revolution? Do you think they were at all concerned about polluting the environment when they were pumping out factories? It's hypocritical to say that China isn't allowed to push it's economy through industrialization when Western countries did exactly that to propel it's own standards of living... Don't get me wrong, pollution is terrible, but industrialization is the only way for these countries to catch up on the global economy. As China turns it's economy more towards commerce,finance, and retail sales industry, it will push factories further and further inland or outsource to even poorer countries such as Vietnam or Philippines until it's no longer feasible to produce in China anymore, or just stick to high end consumer products. And the government has been coming down hard on environmental pollution - it's getting harder every year to run a factory in China.
Your above rhetoric has always been what the pro-China camp touted, and to a great extent, I understand where that is coming from. The fallacy I see is, with China's economic rise, it isn't like they didn't have any options, nor it isn't like they didn't know what the entirely predictable consequences would be. History, through the western world's past actions, has already shown what would happen to the environment and the health of the population when you follow that pollution-driven path of economic gains. The costs of those are not easily repairable, if at all repairable, whether it is environmental damage or the loss of health / human lives. Of course, those in power are far more concerned with "short term" (10-15 years as we have seen) gains and lining the own pockets while doing so.

[PeanutButter]

It's kind of cool to see what China would look like without the smog.
Looks Vancouveresque

[$_$]

Your above rhetoric has always been what the pro-China camp touted, and to a great extent, I understand where that is coming from. The fallacy I see is, with China's economic rise, it isn't like they didn't have any options, nor it isn't like they didn't know what the entirely predictable consequences would be. History, through the western world's past actions, has already shown what would happen to the environment and the health of the population when you follow that pollution-driven path of economic gains. The costs of those are not easily repairable, if at all repairable, whether it is environmental damage or the loss of health / human lives. Of course, those in power are far more concerned with "short term" (10-15 years as we have seen) gains and lining the own pockets while doing so.

But what would you have them do? This is two folded - for those in power, would you let your country lag 50 years behind in economy, with no chance at all in catching up?

And for the commoners, watching the extravagance of western spending on Hollywood television, with no opportunities of attaining the same type of lifestyle... Without a stronger economy, there are no sales/service/retail/commerce type jobs like the US. What are all those people going to do for a living? Continue to be farmers and herders? It's a very complex situation...

And for the record, I'm don't see myself as pro-China. I just don't view the environment as fragile as most of you do. We humans have only been on planet Earth for a fraction of the time that it has been spinning, and it has gone through massive changes and transitions that we haven't been a part of. I see pollution as a natural progression of in-habitation, the same as if an animal shits in the forest. If we fuck around too much with the environment too much, Earth will easily just push back and wipe us out. It's all part of the natural process. Everything we do is "natural", because humans are part of nature. Extinction through over hunting, deforestation, even if the human race eventually dies out because we screwed up our environment so much that we no longer can live here anymore - all of that is just part of the circle of life.

[Traum]

A more long term vision would be to balance the economic gains against the environmental and human costs. Of course, those in power in China view human lives -- that is, the life of your typical peasant and average citizen -- as almost dispensable since there are 1.3B of them around. (And naturally, they view their own lives worthing a lot more.)

But even when human lives are worthless in the Chinese top brass' eyes, the economic benefits of the pollution should have been accounted for in their "economic plans" (since it is a "planned economy" they always tout). The factory closures do not bring any economic benefits. Sick people cannot produce any GDP gains even if their lives are considered worthless.

All this talk is no different than people recommending living a healthy lifestyle. If you are poor, do you work 3 jobs and eat nothing but fast food? Or do you work 1.5 jobs while trying to cook your own meals and give up a little leisure time? Or do you work that 1 job while trying to study for something that'll pay better? There may not be a definitive "best" way out of these options, but what China has been doing is the equivalent of working those 3 jobs, having nothing but fast food, and not getting any sleep -- all because he wants to have some bling bling ride, a McMansion (bought on mortgage), and look baller because that's how the Jones are... :badpokerface:

[J____]

What about Dong Guan? That's a paradise city...
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LOL!

[Mr.HappySilp]

But what would you have them do? This is two folded - for those in power, would you let your country lag 50 years behind in economy, with no chance at all in catching up?

And for the commoners, watching the extravagance of western spending on Hollywood television, with no opportunities of attaining the same type of lifestyle... Without a stronger economy, there are no sales/service/retail/commerce type jobs like the US. What are all those people going to do for a living? Continue to be farmers and herders? It's a very complex situation...

And for the record, I'm don't see myself as pro-China. I just don't view the environment as fragile as most of you do. We humans have only been on planet Earth for a fraction of the time that it has been spinning, and it has gone through massive changes and transitions that we haven't been a part of. I see pollution as a natural progression of in-habitation, the same as if an animal shits in the forest. If we fuck around too much with the environment too much, Earth will easily just push back and wipe us out. It's all part of the natural process. Everything we do is "natural", because humans are part of nature. Extinction through over hunting, deforestation, even if the human race eventually dies out because we screwed up our environment so much that we no longer can live here anymore - all of that is just part of the circle of life.

I am just going to add that mos tof the pollution we have today is within the last 100 to 200 years or so...... While thousdand of years ago human still around. There isn't anyone or any country to blame, as humans we are lazy and selfish and want things does the simple way.

The way I see it, we would die from not having enough food rather than from pollution....... Even as we speak there isn't enough food to feed everyone on earth. Yet we waste them every single day.

[xpl0sive]

I am just going to add that mos tof the pollution we have today is within the last 100 to 200 years or so...... While thousdand of years ago human still around. There isn't anyone or any country to blame, as humans we are lazy and selfish and want things does the simple way.

The way I see it, we would die from not having enough food rather than from pollution....... Even as we speak there isn't enough food to feed everyone on earth. Yet we waste them every single day.

Wow that was difficult to read... I guess I should have expected that going into a China thread

[rsx]

I am just going to add that mos tof the pollution we have today is within the last 100 to 200 years or so...... While thousdand of years ago human still around. There isn't anyone or any country to blame, as humans we are lazy and selfish and want things does the simple way.

The way I see it, we would die from not having enough food rather than from pollution....... Even as we speak there isn't enough food to feed everyone on earth. Yet we waste them every single day.

Actually the ratio is around 4 chickens to 1 person on earth. There's plenty of food around, it's the distribution that's the problem.

[Yodamaster]

Because they keep on building cities that nobody lives in to keep the economy afloat whilst the majority of the population starves and/or is ill.

[SkinnyPupp]

Because they keep on building cities that nobody lives in to keep the economy afloat whilst the majority of the population starves and/or is ill.
How's that for a bubble waiting to burst

[Traum]

Came across this year old article recently, and holy shxt... it gives me even less incentive to travel to China during the winter months...

Coal mines near uranium deposits spoiling value of nuclear fuel | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1084999/coal-mines-near-uranium-deposits-spoiling-value-nuclear-fuel)

Coles version:
- uranium veins in China are buried between thick belts of coal
- uranium-laced coals are getting digged up and sent off to coal-fired power stations
- radioactive ash flies off into the air

And this doesn't take into account the huge amounts of coal that local homes use for winter heating purposes...

It is no coincidence that cancer rates (esp lung cancer rates) have been sky-rocketing in China...

[BoostedBB6]

A country with money does not remove it from being third world.

Look at the way the country is run, how the people are treated, how employment is run, poverty level etc etc. Look at these things when it comes to China and you will get the answer to why China is still a third world country.

[Z3guy]

^ Agree with BoostedBB6, making money as a country is only part of the equation of being a 1st world country. If China was a person, they would be a rich douche bag who drives a lambo to show off, does not ever volunteer, could care less about the homeless or poor, litters everywhere, and beats up anyone who do not agree with their opinion.

[Carl Johnson]

^ Agree with BoostedBB6, making money as a country is only part of the equation of being a 1st world country. If China was a person, they would be a rich douche bag who drives a lambo to show off, does not ever volunteer, could care less about the homeless or poor, litters everywhere, and beats up anyone who do not agree with their opinion.

for a country that almost lost everything to Japanese 65 years ago, i think people in china have way different priorities than those in Canada. volunteer and voting are just not as important to Chinese as making money and having financial security.

of course it's easy for us to pick something to complain like environment or food safety, but western society went through the same thing. go to london in the 1850s, it was a shithole (literally). America basically stole California from the Mexicans. i guess i see the glass half-full. although china still have so much to improve in a lot of areas, i think its important to acknowledge they have come a long way just in the last 30 years.

[Timpo]

for a country that almost lost everything to Japanese 65 years ago, i think people in china have way different priorities than those in Canada. volunteer and voting are just not as important to Chinese as making money and having financial security.
Not trying to initiate any rage here, but Japan has helped out China quite a bit after WWII.
They donated $58 billion (if I remember correctly), and many more donations(millions) to assist China develop their country.
They did the same to Korea too as an apology.

I found that many people think Japan murdered people in China and Korea during WWII, and left them as is and didn't do anything about it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not trying to initiate any rage here, but Japan has helped out China quite a bit after WWII.
They donated $58 billion (if I remember correctly), and many more donations(millions) to assist China develop their country.
They did the same to Korea too as an apology.

I found that many people think Japan murdered people in China and Korea during WWII, and left them as is and didn't do anything about it.
That, and things didn't start to get really shitty in China until AFTER WW2 and the civil war.

[Timpo]

That, and things didn't start to get really shitty in China until AFTER WW2 and the civil war.

yeah, and if you know the history of Japan, Japanese people are bunch of Chinese people who decided to move to this little island called Japan.

So genetically speaking Japanese people and Chinese people are the same thing. Obviously they have different environment and culture so they evolved differently, but historically speaking, like food, culture, letters, constructions of buildings, etc. They share very similar aspect to Chinese, Korean, etc.

We have this "Border" or "Country" and those are just line on the map us human decided to put later in the time.
Japanese people are comprised by Chinese, Korean, Ainu, Philipino, etc.
There's no such thing as 100% pure "JAPANESE". If that makes sense.

[Yodamaster]

yeah, and if you know the history of Japan, Japanese people are bunch of Chinese people who decided to move to this little island called Japan.

So genetically speaking Japanese people and Chinese people are the same thing. Obviously they have different environment and culture so they evolved differently, but historically speaking, like food, culture, letters, constructions of buildings, etc. They share very similar aspect to Chinese, Korean, etc.

We have this "Border" or "Country" and those are just line on the map us human decided to put later in the time.
Japanese people are comprised by Chinese, Korean, Ainu, Philipino, etc.
There's no such thing as 100% pure "JAPANESE". If that makes sense.


There is such a thing as 100% Japanese, and they are called the Japanese. If you want to pull the evolution card, then you might want to travel back to Africa (or Pangaea) where it all began, where nobody was 100% white, black, asian, or "Japanese". Everyone is 100% human, where you live defines what you are labelled as, and the Japanese live in Japan.

My ancestors came from Scotland, but you don't see people saying that I'm essentially a Scotsman when I was born and raised in Canada. Different countries have different rules and traditions, and I guarantee you that any Japanese man worth his salt would cast out a stern look for saying he was essentially Chinese.

[SkinnyPupp]

yeah, and if you know the history of Japan, Japanese people are bunch of Chinese people who decided to move to this little island called Japan.

So genetically speaking Japanese people and Chinese people are the same thing. Obviously they have different environment and culture so they evolved differently, but historically speaking, like food, culture, letters, constructions of buildings, etc. They share very similar aspect to Chinese, Korean, etc.

We have this "Border" or "Country" and those are just line on the map us human decided to put later in the time.
Japanese people are comprised by Chinese, Korean, Ainu, Philipino, etc.
There's no such thing as 100% pure "JAPANESE". If that makes sense.
What? :derp:

[jasonturbo]

Timpo, if you don't mind, would you care to share some details about yourself? How old you are, where you grew up, what you do for work/school etc...

I find you very interesting, just want to learn more about you...

[rcoccultwar]

from afar they might look impressive. but take a walk through one of China's cities. Makes me want to kill myself.

What exactly makes you want to kill yourself?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

if mao didnt take over china... KMT would still be ruling, and china would just be one huge ass taiwan.

and maybe mao would be on the island of taiwan bitching about wanting to be separate with his communist state. lol that would be funny.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^ Agree with BoostedBB6, making money as a country is only part of the equation of being a 1st world country. If China was a person, they would be a rich douche bag who drives a lambo to show off, does not ever volunteer, could care less about the homeless or poor, litters everywhere, and beats up anyone who do not agree with their opinion.

LOL what you just said is true to a lot of Chinese IE Piss/poo in pubic, talk loudly in public, restaurant, spit, act as if they are better than you, rude, budge when lining up.........

EDIT: OH and when doing the driving test leave several hundred dollars on the passenger seat and claims it was not a bride when caught.