[BoostedBB6]

I recently moved (3 months ago) and we are renting until the new year when we are looking to buy something.

The place we are renting is brand new (we are the first tenants) and it is all electric (no gas).

The first month we were there the usage was not much (end of Summer). Now in the colder months it has gone up, which is to be expected. However it has gone up so much that I'm concerned that there is something wrong with the meter or someone is stealing power.

+100kwh a day (projected 2 month cost of $500)

Initially we were told that the usage is most likely from the heaters (radiant heaters) so we turned those all off and have been using a small 1000w heater/fan combo that runs ever 1-2 hours for 40min to maintain a 70degree temp in the whole house.
The lights are only on when its darker in the evening. Do laundry once a week, dishwasher ever 2-3 days, and stove is used every day or so for 1-2 hours.

We are doing everything we can to conserve power to see if we can get the bill down. The landlord has even gone in and added additional insulation to the exterior walls in an attempt to keep more heat in the house.

We have seen the power usage go down but we have seen some strange things on the bill. There are periods of time where the usage has dropped down to 0 which is impossible as there is always some draw from things in the house like a fridge ect ect.

Does anyone have or has had similar issues?
The usage for yesterday went down to 43kwh for the day with 0 usage after 3pm which makes no sense because we cooked dinner at 5pm.

[TurboFC3S]

the place I'm renting the heat bill is the same when no body was living here as when we moved in and used the house heat.. So I think once you start going over that's when the charges increase.

Call bc hydro? Lol
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[fsy82]

I would contact BC Hydro and get them to do a meter reading. We had the same issue when we moved into our townhouse and it turned out that they were estimating the read outs. This is with the smart meter installed as well. We got credited $300 bucks. But to give you a comparison the last two months our bill was $400 which is normal as we have tons of stuff on and have the radiant heaters on all day.

[BoostedBB6]

Have spoken with BC Hydro, did everything they said to drop the usage down and nothing made a difference.
We also check online daily to see our usage and its all over the place even when our usage is consistent.

Just looking for a leg to stand on when I call them on Monday and see whats up because we even had two engineers come in and do calculations based on energy consumption of devices in the home compared to our usage and they are saying there is no way we are using the kind of power they claim we are.

[Jmac]

I dropped my energy consumption by 6% on the year and still ended up paying 31% more than last year.

:rukidding:

[Mr.HappySilp]

Is this is a townhouse/house or apartments you are renting?

Maybe if is a house try talking to your landlord and see if he can install out of the head monitiors. The ones we installed have liek a schedule and what tempetaure we liek the house to be heated up to at certain time of the day. That really saved us some money. When no one is home we just turn the heat down.

[seakrait]

does the cost of electricity change depending on the time of day or is it a single rate?

i know they have a two-step residential rate whereby they charge you more after you've used 1350 kWh in the two-month billing period. that seems to me like it's just a single rate then, right?

we have a 1200 sq ft place. two sides of our apartment are all windows. five baseboard heaters all set at just under 20degC. our last 2-month bill was $240 ($120/month).

when we lived in a smaller apartment (550 sq ft), there were two baseboard heaters at the same temp. and the monthly bill then during winter was just under $70.

so is that extra $50/month spent on hydro in our new place just the cost of heating up twice the amount of space with one more wall of windows?

[Jmac]

If you double the volume, you double the amount of energy required to heat that space.

[quasi]

I read your post to my wife, she said that if certain days your meter show 0 usage it's because there is no communication to the smart meter and hydro that day, they weren't able to obtain a reading. If your hot water is electric check that the hot water tank is not leaking and the temperature setting on the tank is optimal.

Edit: If you're in a suite and you have your own meter when the meter was installed there could be potential wiring issues in the house unrelated to Hydro. Go to the hydro website and search "breaker or meter test". Follow the step by step instruction for a smart meter. If you turn off your breaker and it still shows usage there is something wrong, something else is wired to your meter.

[JesseBlue]

Check the thermostat on the hot water heater if it is the electric type...one or both might be turned too high ... This was my issue after i turned off all circuit breakers except my heater
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[saucywoman]

I live with 3 other adults and a baby in an old house with gas and hydro, this current billing cycle the two combined are about $200; you have to be using a lot of stuff to be $500
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[BoostedBB6]

I live with 3 other adults and a baby in an old house with gas and hydro, this current billing cycle the two combined are about $200; you have to be using a lot of stuff to be $500
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Thats the thing, we aren't using anything.

Currently.

2 60watt bulb on
1 1000watt heater

That is all the usage we are putting on the system at this time (this is not accounting for hot water heater, fridge)

If I look tomorrow at this time of day it will say we are using between 40-80kwh which makes no sense at all.

I will double check the hot water heater today to see what its set at.

[BoostedBB6]

It is a new duplex.
We are the only ones living in this side.
There is an empty suite downstairs as well as next to us.

The landloard came in and took down all the drywall on the ceiling and walls of the unit downstairs and double insulated it.
They also took down all the drywall of the unit next door and put of double insulation.
All windows are double pin, new, and well sealed, there is no drafts in the house.

He has been super helpful with this all, and has offered us a reimbursement for the high cost for the hydro but I want to figure out whats going on. It not fair to pay that much weather its him or us paying.

This smart meter crap is a joke.

[quasi]

Radiant heating, is the basement suite hooked to your meter? Is the heat on down there even if nobody is down there? What about a Fridge or anything else running down there?

[saucywoman]

Thats the thing, we aren't using anything.

Currently.

2 60watt bulb on
1 1000watt heater

That is all the usage we are putting on the system at this time (this is not accounting for hot water heater, fridge)

If I look tomorrow at this time of day it will say we are using between 40-80kwh which makes no sense at all.

I will double check the hot water heater today to see what its set at.

That's what I was implying when I said you'd have to be using a lot of stuff to have a bill that high, when my household is bigger than yours and we pay substantially less :p
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[BoostedBB6]

Radiant heating, is the basement suite hooked to your meter? Is the heat on down there even if nobody is down there? What about a Fridge or anything else running down there?

The basement quite is unfinished, there is nothing at all in it. Not even interior walls. Just one big room at the moment.
It is hooked up to the same meter we are on but there is nothing in there that will drain any kind of power. We walked through and made sure when the landlord was here last time.

That's what I was implying when I said you'd have to be using a lot of stuff to have a bill that high, when my household is bigger than yours and we pay substantially less :p
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Perhaps I have a grow op going on under my stairs or something.

Going to be giving BC Hydro a call tomorrow morning and having a chat with them. The usage is 3 times higher than ANY house in our area so something is not right. Even more so when you consider how little power we actually consume.

[Gnomes]

I was in similar position as OP (but not nearly as high). Moved to new place, had an EXPECTED reading of usage of $180 for 2 months worth. Next bill came in 2 months later with enough data points for accurate reading. Bill was -$30.

[BoostedBB6]

We did expect our usage to go up as the weather got colder. That was to be expected but it is just to much to seem right.
I'm hoping that I may get some for of credit or something back from BC Hydro, but I never expect much from big companies.

[quasi]

Have you asked your neighbors what there bill is? Should be somewhat comparable, you have identical SF.

[bcrdukes]

That is all the usage we are putting on the system at this time (this is not accounting for hot water heater, fridge)

While rare (in most cases) a colleague of mine had hydro bills of $200 - $300 on a regular basis year-round.

After some digging around, culprit turned out to be his television.

Edit: I should add that after he found out it was in fact his television, he had it repaired/replaced under warranty and his hydro bill dropped significantly.

[tonyzoomzoom]

for a few months, I had high electricity consumption. Decided to watch the dial on the meter (before smart meters) as we switched off each of the circuit breakers. Turns out the sump pump was the culprit and was on 24/7. Things were back to normal after it was replaced.

[BoostedBB6]

Have you asked your neighbors what there bill is? Should be somewhat comparable, you have identical SF.

With our account you can view others consumption. It simply says "homes similar to yours" sort of thing. And they are all using a third of what we are using. However, it does not say if they are all electric or gas and electric.
We spoke to the people cross from us and they said there bill is around $200 for 2 months so this also leads me to think that there is something wrong.

While rare (in most cases) a colleague of mine had hydro bills of $200 - $300 on a regular basis year-round.

After some digging around, culprit turned out to be his television.

Edit: I should add that after he found out it was in fact his television, he had it repaired/replaced under warranty and his hydro bill dropped significantly.

Do you know what it was with the TV that was causing issues?

for a few months, I had high electricity consumption. Decided to watch the dial on the meter (before smart meters) as we switched off each of the circuit breakers. Turns out the sump pump was the culprit and was on 24/7. Things were back to normal after it was replaced.

This was my plan when I found out about the consumption issues, however with the smart meter you can not see your real time consumption. I wanted to start killing breakers and see what makes a difference.
The way it is now I would have to kill the breaker for at least 1 hour and then check in 24 hours on there website to see what kind of change it made. Only issue with this is that the website is not very accurate. With readings of 0 for 8 hours when I check it one day and then its changed to reflect usage 3 days later.....Smart meters.....would make a great skeet shooting target right there.

[bcrdukes]

Do you know what it was with the TV that was causing issues?

I'm afraid, not. Sorry. The description from the repair centre was very vague - something to do with the main circuit board or a capacitor of some sort (think Back To The Future.) It was drawing power like crazy non-stop.

Figuring it out was a painful process. They literally had to unplug everything one-by-one but thankfully it was a 2 bedroom condo (which they no longer live in.)

[Marshall Placid]

All electric, so I am assuming that your hot water tank for showers, washing, etc., uses electric instead of gas for heating?

Maybe that could be the thing?

Just my 2 cents.

[BoostedBB6]

All electric, so I am assuming that your hot water tank for showers, washing, etc., uses electric instead of gas for heating?

Maybe that could be the thing?

Just my 2 cents.


Yes, everything is on hydro.
We inspected the heater and its working properly, not loosing heat and not coming on when it should not come on.

We are going to have an electrician come in and take a look at everything if there is no resolution tomorrow.

[godwin]

Old house with old meter? if so, then the gears of the meter is probably so worn that it is not registering.. that's one of the reason why BCHydro wants to upgrade everyone to modern solid state meters, so you don't get charge less as your meter ages.

I live with 3 other adults and a baby in an old house with gas and hydro, this current billing cycle the two combined are about $200; you have to be using a lot of stuff to be $500
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[godwin]

Since you are renting, just get an electrician in. If it is a condo, make sure you let the front desk know, so your electrician can access the panels and access points that are not in your apartment just in case.

Yes, everything is on hydro.
We inspected the heater and its working properly, not loosing heat and not coming on when it should not come on.

We are going to have an electrician come in and take a look at everything if there is no resolution tomorrow.

[seakrait]

well, i changed two of three thermostats from 20 to 16 starting from 12:01am on the 29th. our kid's room we turned it down to 18-19. and we tried to make less use of our kitchen's halogen pot lights as well as making sure to turn off unnecessary lights. this is the result after our two-day experiment.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c44/seakrait/Screenshot2013-12-31at10601PM.png

my wife's grumbling a bit about being a bit cold so we might turn the heat up a bit.

we have all our blinds closed now but it makes the place a bit dark. I wonder if I use more electricity countering the heat loss from open blinds or from using more lamps to light up the place with daylight... I doubt that our blinds really keep much (or any) heat in though.

[BoostedBB6]

Lighting in our place is all super energey efficent lighting and we still only use one or two lights at any one given time.

Your meter readings are great compared to ours!!!!
We shut off everything but the fridge and water heater and we still get 48-52

[seekerbeta]

http://www.amazon.ca/P3-International-P4400-Kill-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU


you might want to pick up a kill a watt, and run it everyday in a different plug in the house, thats how i found out that one of my side lamps would continue to draw power even when it was off.

[seakrait]

Lighting in our place is all super energey efficent lighting and we still only use one or two lights at any one given time.

Your meter readings are great compared to ours!!!!
We shut off everything but the fridge and water heater and we still get 48-52

Yeah, if you're still getting 48-52 and everything but the fridge and water heater are off, I definitely think BC Hydro needs to take a look because all I did was turn down the heat by 4 degrees and shut off some lights and our electricity bill for the day went down by at least a third.

[JesseBlue]

Still havent checked your hotwater heater tank? I bet one of the thermostat is turned all the way up while the other one is turned down...
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[tool001]

Thanks for the Kill a Watt Monitor info

[fsy82]

If your house is all eletric you might want to check where your water tank is. I found that in my townhouse it was cranked all the way up when we moved in and that caused the huge bill.

[BoostedBB6]

Here is another example of why things dont match up.

Dec 24, we had my wife's dad over for dinner. Had all the lights in the house on, heat on, using hot water to wash, ran dish washer, had two showers and our usage was 75kwh for the day.

Dec 25. Her dad and my dad over, all lights on, heaters on, 3 showers, 2 loads of dishes through the dish washer, running lots of hot water for larger dishes, oven was on from 10:30am - 5:30pm cooking brunch and dinner. Usage was 85kwh for the day.

Dec 26. 1 Shower, 1 light on, 1 heater running. 73kwh.

Just does not make any sense.

I will have to take a look at the hot water tank. I took a quick look and it had two access panels on the side that noted you need to kill the breaker before adjusting temp. I assume the thermostats are behind those. Not sure how to make sure they are adjusted properly as I have no experience with water heaters.

[fsy82]

Here is another example of why things dont match up.

Dec 24, we had my wife's dad over for dinner. Had all the lights in the house on, heat on, using hot water to wash, ran dish washer, had two showers and our usage was 75kwh for the day.

Dec 25. Her dad and my dad over, all lights on, heaters on, 3 showers, 2 loads of dishes through the dish washer, running lots of hot water for larger dishes, oven was on from 10:30am - 5:30pm cooking brunch and dinner. Usage was 85kwh for the day.

Dec 26. 1 Shower, 1 light on, 1 heater running. 73kwh.

Just does not make any sense.

I will have to take a look at the hot water tank. I took a quick look and it had two access panels on the side that noted you need to kill the breaker before adjusting temp. I assume the thermostats are behind those. Not sure how to make sure they are adjusted properly as I have no experience with water heaters.

Also where your hot watertank is there might be a baseboard heater which may turned up all the way as well. That was another culprit for our huge bills.

[pissedoffe55]

I am really upset about my latest BC hydro bill too..

I just moved my family into a 1000 sq foot condo in hopes of saving $$

It is a brand new building, we are the first occupants in the unit...

For our first 2 months usage our bill was $293!! Nearly double the cost of my old 3000sq ft house. I have 2 friends who live in the same building and there bills are about $60/month...The only answer that I can think is that the baseboard heaters are really power consuming and we usually had the heat on because we have 2 small children.

I was really disappointed when I saw that first bill lol...

[jaguar604]

Electric heaters use A LOT of power. My bill multiplies by 3 during the colder months when I have the heaters on when I'm not out.

[tonyzoomzoom]

Electrically heated homes consume two to three times the electricity as a non electrically heated home; but of course you won't have a natural gas bill to deal with. And all of that electricity consumption for heating is concentrated in the winter months.

[Presto]

I mine about $10 in cryptocurrency per day. It works out well in the winter months since it heats my condo, as well. :)

[CrazyMBalla]

I should know this but I don't, what is the quickest way to determine which is cheaper to use, BC Hydo or Fortis Gas? I know there is a step 1 then a step 2 with hydro but I am trying to get a general sense of what is cheaper to use at the moment, electricity or gas?