Understanding The Dangers of Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs [Archive]

SkinnyPupp

01-01-2014, 06:01 PM

I still prefer incandescent and halogen. I only use CFLs in lights that I leave on for long periods of time but don't spend much time in (hallways, etc). Being in a room with CFLs gives me a headache after a while. They also don't get bright until they have been on for a while. During that time, that dim, gross flickering light is not very comfortable.

I did buy some Phillips LED bulbs for shooting video and they are bright and light up immediately. I will probably start buying more of them for room lighting as my bulbs die. Never tried them for this, but I might as well give it a shot

I didn't know they stopped selling incandescents in Canada? that's crazy... You can still get them here easily, but I wonder for how long :heckno:

falcon

01-01-2014, 06:02 PM

I am immune to mercury from all the tuna I eat. Bring it on CFLs. My body is ready.

StylinRed

01-01-2014, 06:14 PM

I didn't know they stopped selling incandescents in Canada? that's crazy... You can still get them here easily, but I wonder for how long :heckno:

the ban became official today but stores had stopped carrying them a couple years ago (when the ban was originally meant to be imposed)

part of "going green" -_-

pastarocket

01-01-2014, 06:31 PM

Globalnews had a segment yesterday
which showed a Health Canada report on CFL bulbs:

low risk of mercury leakage if CFL bulb is broken.

Maybe I should buy more incandescent bulbs in the States
just in case the feds are wrong. -just to be safe
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SkinnyPupp

01-01-2014, 06:35 PM

the ban became official today but stores had stopped carrying them a couple years ago (when the ban was originally meant to be imposed)

part of "going green" -_-
Yeah that makes a lot of sense to "go green" in one of the few places on earth that have clean, cheap, plentiful energy :facepalm:

I won't get started on the "go green" thing, although I got pretty mad when I went to Ikea to buy replacement halogens for my kitchen, and they only had LEDs. In fact, they didn't carry ANY halogens or incandescents. They have all been replaced by gross CFLs and LEDs, and tons of propaganda about "GOING GREEN"

Of course much of the store lighting was halogen, because fluorescent and LEDs would make their products look gross.

MG1

01-01-2014, 06:40 PM

I stocked up on incandescent light bulbs. Still need more. I guess a trip to the US of A for light bulbs is in order.

Some people are affected by the type of light given off by flourescent type bulbs. LED's are a good alternative. Becoming more and more affordable.

MG1

01-01-2014, 06:43 PM

Wanna go green? Use fireflies trapped in glass.......... just like the good ol' days.

It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. <--- had to put that in there, LOL.

rsx

01-01-2014, 06:50 PM

Fluorescent lights? They hum like angels! You're never lonely if you've got a fluorescent light.

CharlesInCharge

01-01-2014, 06:51 PM

Dirty electricity from CFL bulbs
Story on CFL Lightbulbs - CBC Montreal - YouTube

You get headaches SkinnyPupp... why would our governments, the ones you're constantly defending, want to give unexpecting people (possibly in the millions considering the USA) health problems without even giving any kind of package warning?
Let us consider the children and teenagers who would never fathom such a phenomenon and are helpless to change their environment... then you have our scientists and media which are mute on the subject... is this just for governments to make a quick buck?

from the original link
Electrical Sensitivity

Electrical sensitivity, also known as electrical hypersensitivity and electromagnet hypersensitivity, is a recognized disability with chronic and systematic reactions to electromagnet fields given off by wiring, electrical equipment, transformers and florescent lighting — including CFLs. Approximately 8 million Americans experience electrical sensitivities, according to the Research & Training Center on Independent Living. It causes nervous system symptoms such as headache, fatigue, stress and sleep disturbances; skin symptoms including prickling, burning sensations and rashes, and pain and ache to muscles, as well as many other health problems. CFLs contribute to electrical sensitivity by emitting electromagnetic radiation.

Electromagnetic Radiation

Electromagnet radiation, also known as electromagnetic frequencies — EMF — is a naturally occurring energy. Technological advances such as CFL bulbs have increased the EMF in modern environments. The electromagnet radiation bundle includes dirty electricity — sometimes called dirty power — electrical pollution and radio waves. Most of the EMF fields experienced every day and emitted from CFL bulbs are non-ionizing radiation and considered safe. However, for people with electrical sensitivity, CFL bulbs have significant accumulative dangers, according to ElectroSensitivity UK News.

SkinnyPupp

01-01-2014, 06:55 PM

When did I ever defend "our governments"? :seriously:

CharlesInCharge

01-01-2014, 07:12 PM

In some controversial threads, you've sided and posted the same main stream media views... just a couple of weeks ago in the bitcoin thread you label me in your category of "nut jobs" for my revelations.

Even here
http://www.revscene.net/forums/667072-people-complaining-about-smart-meters-2.html#post7900247
"I disagree, but at least you aren't making a complete idiot out of yourself with all the "radiation" speak and conspiracy theories. "

You're pretty quick to judge... yet we find that there are people like yourself who are effected by a different type of dirty electricity too... getting the same kind of headaches as I show in the TV video later in the same thread
http://www.revscene.net/forums/667072-people-complaining-about-smart-meters-7.html#post8285595

BrRsn

01-01-2014, 07:14 PM

Charles will a hat made out of aluminum foil and grounded to my testicles via alligator clips prevent the effect of dirty electricity on my mind?

Manic!

01-01-2014, 07:16 PM

Being in a room with CFLs gives me a headache after a while.

Did you get head aches in high school?

CharlesInCharge

01-01-2014, 07:20 PM

Charles will a hat made out of aluminum foil and grounded to my testicles via alligator clips prevent the effect of dirty electricity on my mind?No that clip would have to be touching "ground" to reduce the effects... whether its to a grounding pad to the electric outlets grounding hole, or to a grounding pad which the its wire penetrates outside of your window and into the ground.

I bought mine from here (a Vancouver store) to offset EMF in my home
Earthing Universal Mat
http://yourwatermatters.com/products/novelties/earthing-products/

SkinnyPupp

01-01-2014, 07:22 PM

Did you get head aches in high school?
Can't remember really.. I didn't get a lot of sleep, and smoked a lot of pot, so if I did it could have been anything :fuckthatshit:

Manic!

01-01-2014, 07:48 PM

No that clip would have to be touching "ground" to reduce the effects... whether its to a grounding pad to the electric outlets grounding hole, or to a grounding pad which the its wire penetrates outside of your window and into the ground.

I bought mine from here (a Vancouver store) to offset EMF in my home
Earthing Universal Mat
Earthing products Vancouver Canada | watermatters (http://yourwatermatters.com/products/novelties/earthing-products/)

Love how it is listed under novelties.

Great68

01-01-2014, 08:12 PM

In winter climates like ours, incandescents are 100% efficient. All the waste energy of an incandescent is heat, heat that your furnace doesn't have to put into your home.

I've heard of lighting upgrades in buildings to "high efficiency lamps" where after the upgrades the demand on the heating system went up just as much to compensate. In some cases, the heating systems weren't adequate for the additional loads and had to be upgraded as well.

CFL's are shit. Even with the new CFL's I can notice a warm-up time, and they get worse with age. I have a few left in my house which I'll be changing out to LED's soon. LED's just need to come down in price.

I don't think this whole issue with light bulbs is something the government needed to legislate. If people want to use incandescent light bulbs and are willing to pay for the energy to do so then so fucking be it.

H.Specter

01-01-2014, 08:29 PM

stairs are dangerous too

http://i.imgur.com/M4I8L.jpg

Lomac

01-01-2014, 08:40 PM

CFL's are shit. Even with the new CFL's I can notice a warm-up time, and they get worse with age. I have a few left in my house which I'll be changing out to LED's soon. LED's just need to come down in price.

I don't think this whole issue with light bulbs is something the government needed to legislate. If people want to use incandescent light bulbs and are willing to pay for the energy to do so then so fucking be it.

x2

I'm starting to swap out all my exterior lights from incandescent/halogen to LED. The nice thing about them is that LED bulbs don't attract bugs during the summer, and there are millions of them up here. Of course, I also have a million outside potlights to replace, so they're only being replaced as they burn out. lol

And I agree about the pricing. If I want to pay the extra cost associated with using incandescent light bulbs, let me. It genuinely saves me on heating (one bedroom with a three bulb ceiling light can heat that entire room, and I've always left the heating vent shut). Sure, that savings is off-set by the increased electric bill but it's less wear and tear on my furnace. Let the open market decide what consumers choose to buy. If CFL's are indeed that much better, the sales will indicate it as such.

thumper

01-02-2014, 07:04 AM

i bought a philips LED bulb from home depot last month when they had them discount promotion going on and it is awesome. however it dosen't come on immediately with a flick of the switch for me... there is maybe under a half-second delay to fire up?

unfortunately i cannot say the same for the small projector bulbs, depending on your size/type. the light projector is too focused so it's only good for highlighting stuff but is weak for lighting up a room.

but yes they throw a very nice white light and run cool. and to vouch for what lomac posted, the plain incandescent potlight bulb we replaced the old heat lamp bulb with in the washroom is still enough to warm up the small room in a few minutes but when i tried the LED bulb out of curiosity there was no change in room temp.

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 07:08 AM

however it dosen't come on immediately with a flick of the switch for me... there is maybe under a half-second delay to fire up?

Probably yeah. But it's not like the 30-60 seconds it takes a CFL to achieve full brightness.

thumper

01-02-2014, 08:10 AM

Probably yeah. But it's not like the 30-60 seconds it takes a CFL to achieve full brightness.

i need to pay more attention. our CFLs are installed in corridors or exterior lights so they are either usually on all day or are unattended.

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 08:27 AM

Some are better than others. I have some bulbs that turn on pretty quick (but never faster than a few seconds), but others that take a minute or two

Ulic Qel-Droma

01-02-2014, 08:38 AM

lol all i know is, i bought some fluorescent bulbs when they first came out, and were like 7 bux each before taxes or something ridiculous.

that was like. over a decade ago, and i'm still using the same exact bulbs. and I use these lights like 8 hours a day.

as for disposal, like batteries and other "dangerous" crap, just dispose of it properly...

the once every 10-15 years you have to dispose of one. lol.

i remember using incandescent lights, i had to replace them multiple times a year. i hated it. and they generated so much heat and sucked up so much electricity.

GLOW

01-02-2014, 09:31 AM

so are canned fruits.

split my hand open on a can lid once. horrible feeling of it dig in to your palm

hud 91gt

01-02-2014, 10:49 AM

I was wondering why Canadian tire had such a shitty selection of bulbs the other day. Ended up buying CFL's and I hate them!

RRxtar

01-02-2014, 11:06 AM

BrRsn

01-02-2014, 06:21 PM

Which colour temp or colour style, or hell, even bulb brand, is the one to go for to replace the old style bulbs? The one time I ever bought a CFL it ended up being super dim and cold and it was labeled to be a warm replacement. I dont want to blow a ton of money figuring out which bulbs are the best as the old style burn out.

IDK What you're looking for but the Sylvania Micro-Mini 60 watt 6500K 'DayLight' color bulbs they sell at superstore are what I use for studying/computer room. They're bright as hell and the light is white with a blue tinge, but they work pretty well in terms of providing a ton of light and they make me feel less groggy/sleepy than warmer lights -- I wouldn't put them in the living room though, would make it look cold/ugly

They usually say lumens on the side of the box and that's usually a little better than comparing wattage alone. Like HIDs most of them should say the color on the side -- 4300 being slightly yellow (warm) and 6000+ being cold/blueish

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 06:29 PM

In some controversial threads, you've sided and posted the same main stream media views... just a couple of weeks ago in the bitcoin thread you label me in your category of "nut jobs" for my revelations.

Even here
http://www.revscene.net/forums/667072-people-complaining-about-smart-meters-2.html#post7900247

You're pretty quick to judge... yet we find that there are people like yourself who are effected by a different type of dirty electricity too... getting the same kind of headaches as I show in the TV video later in the same thread
http://www.revscene.net/forums/667072-people-complaining-about-smart-meters-7.html#post8285595
Just because I think you're a nutjob doesn't mean I am "defending the government". If someone is right about something, I will agree with them. If they are wrong, I'll disagree.

Not everything is this deep conspiracy.

CharlesInCharge

01-02-2014, 06:37 PM

Well it actually is with the light bulb.
The Light Bulb Conspiracy combines investigative research and rare archive footage to trace the untold story of Planned Obsolescence, from its beginnings in the 1920s with a secret cartel, set up expressly to limit the life span of light bulbs
The Light Bulb Conspiracy | Watch Free Documentary Online (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/light-bulb-conspiracy/)

I would go further to say that giving people health problems has its own benefits for our overlords.

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 06:51 PM

Fuck sake man even when I agree with you a little bit (on the 'dirty electricity') you go right off the fucken deep end with "secret cartels" and "overlords"

They want to save electricity. That is a good thing. The only thing I don't like is people not having a choice.

CharlesInCharge

01-02-2014, 07:17 PM

In the states 70% of electricity comes from fossil fuels like coal and natural gas. If "we" wanted to save energy then why is public transport close to being as expensive as driving a car... why has the cartel promoted these heavy gas guzzling SUV's for so long?
Its because they make crazy amounts of money from selling us oil and gas.

At the end of the day, with these light bulbs, we are the ones who are suppose to save money from burnt fossil fuels to make electricity at the expense of our health.

You have some kind of warning mechanism that tells you when your cells are being stressed... not everyone has that. These EMF fields could be impairing our organ and repair systems in the comfort of our own homes and the system knows this.

Lastly I'd like to see you debunk that documentary if you think you're so knowledgeable.

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 07:27 PM

They use fossil fuel because it's hard to convince people to use nuclear power, and leaves a lot of waste that we still can't use that does nothing but accumulate.

Public transit is not close to being as expensive as driving a car. Not even close.

They promote gas guzzling SUVs because people buy gas guzzling SUVs.

I agree that Fluo lights suck. And it sucks that they are taking away the alternatives. But it's not a conspiracy, it's just a shitty decision run by dumb people. The "government" is just made up of people... There are dumb ones and there are smart ones. If enough dumb people are in the government to make dumb decisions, this is the type of thing that happens. It is the major drawback of a democracy...

And that documentary is not even worth the effort of acknowledging its existence.

Alby

01-02-2014, 07:36 PM

a little off topic, but, CiC, what exactly is NOT a conspiracy to you?

CharlesInCharge

01-02-2014, 07:40 PM

Manic!

01-02-2014, 07:48 PM

Soundy

01-02-2014, 07:48 PM

a little off topic, but, CiC, what exactly is NOT a conspiracy to you?

McDonalds is advertising that the Egg McMuffin is only 290 calories. A nutritionist I heard today said most store-bought muffins are loaded with so much oil, they run 300-500 calories.

Pretty sure there's a conspiracy there somewhere.

Now as for CFLs... has nobody clued in that WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH FLUORESCENT BULBS IN NEARLY EVERY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT FOR ***DECADES***??? Your CFL - the C stands for COMPACT, remember - takes exactly that same technology and shrinks it down into a little spiral tube. EVERY. SINGLE. DANGER. that seems to have been "recently" discovered with CFLs - the flicker, the "dirty" power, the mercury - has been around FOR ***DECADES***... yet somehow none of them seem to have become a major earth-shattering problem until the discontinuation of incandescent bulbs was announced.

Don't get me wrong, I think all these technologies - CFL, LED, tungsten, halogen, etc. - have their place, and I think the move to get rid of incandescents is just knee-jerk stupidity... but the bitching and moaning and pulling of hair over it by making CFL out as some kind of villain is just as much knee-jerk stupidity.

StylinRed

01-02-2014, 07:53 PM

i didnt realize that the US was banning 60watt incandescent bulbs too and thats why Harper hopped on board, bloody Harper quit being Americas butt rag

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 07:56 PM

McDonalds is advertising that the Egg McMuffin is only 290 calories. A nutritionist I heard today said most store-bought muffins are loaded with so much oil, they run 300-500 calories.

Pretty sure there's a conspiracy there somewhere.

Now as for CFLs... has nobody clued in that WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH FLUORESCENT BULBS IN NEARLY EVERY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT FOR ***DECADES***??? Your CFL - the C stands for COMPACT, remember - takes exactly that same technology and shrinks it down into a little spiral tube. EVERY. SINGLE. DANGER. that seems to have been "recently" discovered with CFLs - the flicker, the "dirty" power, the mercury - has been around FOR ***DECADES***... yet somehow none of them seem to have become a major earth-shattering problem until the discontinuation of incandescent bulbs was announced.

Don't get me wrong, I think all these technologies - CFL, LED, tungsten, halogen, etc. - have their place, and I think the move to get rid of incandescents is just knee-jerk stupidity... but the bitching and moaning and pulling of hair over it by making CFL out as some kind of villain is just as much knee-jerk stupidity.
Not sure what your point is.. fluorescent lights have ALWAYS sucked, whether compact or full size.

The difference is, people had a choice to not use them at home if they didn't want to.

Alatar

01-02-2014, 08:32 PM

I stock up on LED bulbs every time I head to WA and OR. All my bulbs are being switched over to LED with the exception of my bedroom lights which are all pot light halogens.

CFL, as mentioned, take too long to reach optimal brightness, and I found actual "lifetime" of the bulbs to be rather poor. Replacing CFL bulbs after 2 years, where I had incandescent bulbs last double that in low use situations, that's just ridiculous.

As far as "health" concerns... why on earth would you break any light bulbs? There are recycling places you can take the bulbs, instead of just throwing them out in the trash.

LED Bulbs FTW! Best price I've found thus far is $10.99/3 pack.

Manic!

01-02-2014, 08:46 PM

Not sure what your point is.. fluorescent lights have ALWAYS sucked, whether compact or full size.

The difference is, people had a choice to not use them at home if they didn't want to.

Did you have a choice anywhere else. If you work in a office or a store you spent 8 hours under florescents 5 days a week. If you went to school same thing. I bet a lot of people spent just as much time if not more under florescents than they did under Incandescents.

SkinnyPupp

01-02-2014, 08:50 PM

Did you have a choice anywhere else. If you work in a office or a store you spent 8 hours under florescents 5 days a week. If you went to school same thing. I bet a lot of people spent just as much time if not more under florescents than they did under Incandescents.
That is a really poor argument.

Soundy

01-02-2014, 09:07 PM

Not sure what your point is..

This:

Did you have a choice anywhere else. If you work in a office or a store you spent 8 hours under florescents 5 days a week. If you went to school same thing. I bet a lot of people spent just as much time if not more under florescents than they did under Incandescents.

...and this:

EVERY. SINGLE. DANGER. that seems to have been "recently" discovered with CFLs - the flicker, the "dirty" power, the mercury - has been around FOR ***DECADES***... yet somehow none of them seem to have become a major earth-shattering problem until the discontinuation of incandescent bulbs was announced.

People have been coming and going under fluorescent lights all this time, anytime they go out in the real world, and there was never this fuss about it, no big public outcries over the "health effects" of its use in these places, NOBODY GAVE A FUCK ABOUT FLUORESCENT before.

MG1

01-02-2014, 11:02 PM

I dont know what to say to that...
SkinnyPupp Im not going to go into tangents on why I think your points are wrong, but here is a working light bulb from the 1900's, featured in that documentary.
World's Longest Running Lightbulb Goes Out In Livermore - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ7MqfWqAdQ)

The toaster my dad bought the day after I was born, is still working. It even looks great. Chrome finish it is and it toasts bread to perfection. I will pass it down to my kids. Every morning without fail for close to 60 years. Now that's a fudgenardin toaster for the books, I tells ya.

You hear of these 1901 toasters still working, but they were stored away for decades. This puppy was used day in and day out.

That toaster broke my nose when I was three or four. Actually, my fault for tugging at the cord, LOL.

They don't make toasters like this anymore. On a side note, I believe my nose saved the toaster from being irreparably damaged.

So why am I posting this shit? Can't be any worse than the rest of the crappy posts in this thread, amiright?

Ah........ Sunbeam bread, toasted to perfection on a Saturday mornin' while watching "Looney Tunes". Does it get any better than that?

radioman

01-02-2014, 11:08 PM

I heard that he designed a toaster so powerful that it would toast bread as soon as you thought about jam.

SkinnyPupp

01-03-2014, 12:18 AM

People have been coming and going under fluorescent lights all this time, anytime they go out in the real world, and there was never this fuss about it, no big public outcries over the "health effects" of its use in these places, NOBODY GAVE A FUCK ABOUT FLUORESCENT before.
This is not true at all. People have HATED fluorescent lighting for a LONG TIME. Look at any movie or whatever that wants to portray shitty jobs.. what's the first thing they do? Make shitty fluorescent lighting make things look shitty.

Fluorescent lighting isn't used everywhere, it's only used in places where they only care about cost and nothing else. Go to any retail store where the products need to look good, and you will not see them. Even stores like Ikea that hypocritically ONLY sell fluorescent and LED lighting, they won't dare use them to show their own products. Any good employer who cares about their employees will use better lighting than fluorescent, or at least change it if their employees request it. Shitty jobs won't, nor will schools most of the time.

And there's a reason they have been refining the technology over the years to improve the colour output and flickering. Although they're not there, they have improved quite a bit. If nobody cared, then the lights would just look like they always have.

I have hated it as long as I can remember, going back to high school. I can't even walk into certain stores because it's so annoying, and going to China is excruciating. For some reason they use the grossest greenish blue colour that flickers at like 50 Hz.

68style

01-03-2014, 07:19 AM

I remember at my old office, they said 1 night they were switching things out for low power using fluorescents... I volunteered to stay that night in a section doing the changeover because guests needed to be escorted... I watched as they removed the old units (not just the tubes, the holders as well) and put in the new ones which had this bizarre shade of light to them... I literally got to sit there and watch the entire office be overcome with this weird "pink" haze from the new lights as the higher consumption "yellow" ones got removed... it was horrible. I didn't say 1 word to anyone the next day just to see if anyone would notice, and all you heard when people walked in to work the next morning was "Whoa!" and "WTF?"... then began all the headache complaints... sick days... women with migraines... so, yes, they can and do suck. Hard. And this was 6-7 years ago long before any of this recent debate started in the media.

It's just like anything, you cheap out and you get what you pay for.

MarkyMark

01-03-2014, 07:25 AM

Plus I think there's a difference between bitching about lighting at someone else's place and being forced to use it in your own house.
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Great68

01-03-2014, 08:10 AM

i bought a philips LED bulb from home depot last month when they had them discount promotion going on and it is awesome. however it dosen't come on immediately with a flick of the switch for me... there is maybe under a half-second delay to fire up?

Those are the ones with the silver body and yellow head right?
I got a bunch of those during the sale, and I notice the split-second delay as well. Those are philips' first gen bulbs.
The new second-generation bulbs ones with the all white body fire up instantaneously.

Great68

01-03-2014, 08:12 AM

This:

People have been coming and going under fluorescent lights all this time, anytime they go out in the real world, and there was never this fuss about it, no big public outcries over the "health effects" of its use in these places, NOBODY GAVE A FUCK ABOUT FLUORESCENT before.

Lots of people give fucks about fluorescent, but it's not like they have any choice over what their employer decides to put into the workplace.

Nightwalker

01-08-2014, 06:46 PM

Partially inspired by this thread and other recent light therapy experiments, I just ditched all my CFL bulbs and went back to incandescent.

WOW I feel better. Also, I can use my dimmer switch now :)

SkinnyPupp

01-08-2014, 06:55 PM

Somewhat related, if you spend a lot of time in front of a computer you should absolutely install f.lux (http://justgetflux.com/)

Nightwalker

01-08-2014, 07:07 PM

Somewhat related, if you spend a lot of time in front of a computer you should absolutely install f.lux (http://justgetflux.com/)

This is one of the things I have done recently! I can also recommend.

I also have a set of cheap blue blocking orange shades to wear before bed. Part of steps I've taken to kill insomnia.

Mr.HappySilp

01-08-2014, 09:40 PM

The toaster my dad bought the day after I was born, is still working. It even looks great. Chrome finish it is and it toasts bread to perfection. I will pass it down to my kids. Every morning without fail for close to 60 years. Now that's a fudgenardin toaster for the books, I tells ya.

You hear of these 1901 toasters still working, but they were stored away for decades. This puppy was used day in and day out.

That toaster broke my nose when I was three or four. Actually, my fault for tugging at the cord, LOL.

They don't make toasters like this anymore. On a side note, I believe my nose saved the toaster from being irreparably damaged.

So why am I posting this shit? Can't be any worse than the rest of the crappy posts in this thread, amiright?

Ah........ Sunbeam bread, toasted to perfection on a Saturday mornin' while watching "Looney Tunes". Does it get any better than that?

Is like they don't build cars or TVs like they use to be. Backs in the 80's to 90's the stuff is build to last. Now the stuff is build to break after a few years so people can keep spending money to buy the same product again and again.

Remember back in the days of Nokia 3310 or 8890? Those phone are build to never break lol.

meowjinboo

01-08-2014, 10:38 PM

I get extremely depressed when I was working under the old lightbulbs. The colour temperature was off. it sucked.

rsx

01-08-2014, 11:01 PM

There's something I like about fluorescent lights. It's sterile, clean and industrial. If I ever build my concrete house, I'd use fluorescent lights. I'd look sweet in a garage/workshop or a long concrete hallway.

Lomac

01-11-2014, 09:48 PM

Is like they don't build cars or TVs like they use to be. Backs in the 80's to 90's the stuff is build to last. Now the stuff is build to break after a few years so people can keep spending money to buy the same product again and again.

Have you seen an 80's/90's American car on the road lately?

That's what I thought.

:troll:

:fullofwin:

Soundy

01-11-2014, 10:32 PM

Have you seen an 80's/90's American car on the road lately?

That's what I thought.

:troll:

:fullofwin:

'92 represent!

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/65039_10153283534845402_961353269_n.jpg

Lomac

01-11-2014, 10:39 PM

Technically that's not on a road, so my point still stands.

:badpokerface:

SkinnyPupp

01-11-2014, 11:14 PM

This is one of the things I have done recently! I can also recommend.

I also have a set of cheap blue blocking orange shades to wear before bed. Part of steps I've taken to kill insomnia.
I have a pair of orange lenses too, I wear them sometimes when it's cloudy or gloomy outside. They seem to 'warm' the light that gets to my eyes, generally making it feel 'brighter' (even though technically they are letting in less light)

Never thought of using them around the house though. What time to you put them on?

slammer111

01-12-2014, 12:31 AM

I'm not a fan of CFL's, but not because of that link. They take forever to reach their full brightness. I'll stick with my halogen lights. :DMost new ones are instant-on. That was true in the 1990s (which is why I stuck with incandescents until 2012) but actually I was pleasantly surprised with the new ones when someone convinced me to give them a try.

From personal experience..

The ones in the mid 1990s (1994 or so? Buddy's family had them installed) took like 5 minutes to get to full brightness. Drove me nuts when I used to visit.

The ones I bought in 2007 or so took around 1-2 minutes to get to full brightness.

The ones I got in 2012? 0.1s, if not less. They behave exactly like incandescents, without the heat etc. The colour temperature is somewhere between 2700-4300K too (not too white, not too yellow :D). And I bought the cheap ones too. Swapped out the entire place in a month and donated all my old bulbs to a family friend who refused to upgrade. Haven't looked back.

LEDs are still too expensive for the swap, but I'd definitely take another look when my box of CFL spares runs out.

As for everyone freaking out about mercury - how often do people break bulbs? *scratches head* Because of the construction, CFLs seem a lot more robust when being screwed/unscrewed, especially if you grip them by the ballast instead of the glass..

Soundy

01-12-2014, 06:23 AM

The colour temperature is somewhere between 2700-4300K too (not too white, not too yellow :D).
In fact, you have a pretty wide range of colour temperatures to choose from these days... with incandescent, you have one.

Personally, I want to find some 12,000K CFLs so my living room matches my car's douchy blinding purple HIDs :troll:

SkinnyPupp

01-12-2014, 06:28 AM

Are there seriously "12,000K" lights in existence? If so.. wow... that's bluer than a pure blue sky :derp:

Soundy

01-12-2014, 07:14 AM

CFLs? I dunno. HIDs? Yeah, pretty sure you can get them that blue. I saw a car once that the HIDs were actually PURPLE. CFLs typically run between 2,700K to about 6,500K. Standard industrial tubes cover about the same range.

They do make blacklight CFLs, too...

According to cflfacts.com,
Why does my CFL make me look like a cadaver?
While even the best CFLs may not make people and objects look exactly the same as they do with an incandescent lamp, some CFLs make many people look terrible and cause them to reject CFLs in their homes. In most cases, this problem is easily solved.
CFLs, like all fluorescent lamps, are sold in various colors, and some of these will render skin colors very poorly. It's hard to avoid a bit of technical jargon when discussing the color quality of light sources, so I'll need to use some jargon here. The color of a lamp is specified using the term Correlated Color Temperature, which is the temperature of a blackbody, in Kelvin, that has a color that is the best match to the color of the lamp. (The Kelvin is a unit of temperature based on absolute zero. 273.15 Kelvin is equal to 0 degrees Celsius.)

Candles have a Correlated Color Temperature of about 1700K. Typical incandescent lamps used in homes have Correlated Color Temperatures that range from about 2700K to 2900K. Those small halogen incandescent lamps used for desk lamps have Correlated Color Temperatures close to 3000K. The sun has a Correlated Color Temperature of about 5800K, while blue sky has a Correlated Color Temperature of about 6500K. So, you can see that as the Correlated Color Temperature increases, the color of the light source moves from reddish to bluish.

Now, the problem. CFLs are made with Correlated Color Temperatures ranging from 2700K (like an incandescent lamp) to 6000K, bluer than the sun; but it is hard for the average consumer to know what Correlated Color Temperature lamp they are buying. Some manufacturers use made-up names like natural white or soft white instead of the actual Correlated Color Temperature. Other manufacturers print the Correlated Color Temperature on the box or the base of the lamp in small numbers such as 3000K, but with no explanation of what these numbers mean. I don't know of any CFLs sold to the general public that list the Correlated Color Temperature in an easy to find place and explain what the number means.

The good news is that proposed ENERGY STAR® Program Requirements for CFLs, not yet issued as of January 29, 2009, will require CFLs to have the Correlated Color Temperature printed on the packaging in order to be ENERGY STAR qualified.

I urge those people who have found the color of CFLs to be totally unacceptable to check the color temperature of the lamps they bought. If your CFLs are not 2700K or 3000K, then I suggest you buy some 2700K or 3000K lamps and give them another chance.

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MG1

01-12-2014, 08:22 AM

I use OttLite lamp when working on my models. Natural/neutral light to give me true colour. Plus, I can see better. I don't suffer from headaches or any of that shit from flourescent lights, so it's all good.

You guys gave me good idea. Install flourescent lighting in man cave to keep the wife out, LOLOLOLOLOL.

Flourescent not good for you young, single, horny, virgin RS types.......... women hate flourescent........ prefer warm, soft, sexy lighting. Hee hee hee. :troll:

SkinnyPupp

01-12-2014, 05:22 PM

I urge those people who have found the color of CFLs to be totally unacceptable to check the color temperature of the lamps they bought. If your CFLs are not 2700K or 3000K, then I suggest you buy some 2700K or 3000K lamps and give them another chance.

I've bought so many different brands of CFL, from expensive Phillips bulbs to cheap brands like Sunshine and Megaman (yup there's a brand called Megaman)... I always try to get them in the 'warm' range, but not one has been able to produce what I would call a 'pleasant' warm light.

The temperature itself may be 'correct' but it still looks gross most of the time.

subordinate

01-12-2014, 06:20 PM

That's it... I'm buying a box of incandescent bulbs next time in the states.

These bulbs are sketch when they die. From flashing that bright green light to smoking that pungent smell before dying, it's sketch.

Yeah, some go out peacefully as well, but too many cons than pros IMO.

Cons:
Shitty light
Takes time to warm up
Potential to smoke/rapid flicker when dying
Mercury if I accidently drop it (which I have, and they explode like flourescent bulbs)

Pros:
energy savings?
.....

Soundy

01-12-2014, 07:06 PM

xpl0sive

01-12-2014, 07:17 PM

SkinnyPupp

01-12-2014, 07:47 PM

The mercury thing is a red herring. Bulbs use a miniscule amount, and you'd pretty much have to be either eating or snorting the glass shards to ingest any of it... and even then you'd probably have to go through dozens of bulbs to get an amount that even be considered harmful in the first place. In other words, in order to poison yourself on the mercury in your household CFLs, you'd have to be doing such an epicly stupid thing, repeatedly, that you're probably better off succumbing to Darwin anyway.
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I agree, it's stupid to get worked up over mercury. They used to give it to people as a laxative. Yes it's poisonous, but it's not something to be overly concerned about.

However there are enough other problems that it's still bullshit that you HAVE to use them.