[El Bastardo]

Protesters clashed with riot police in the Ukrainian capital on Sunday after tough anti-protest legislation, which the political opposition says paves the way for a police state, was rushed through parliament last week.

A group of young masked demonstrators attacked a cordon of police with sticks, burned police buses, and pushed through, to the parliament building after opposition politicians called on people to disregard the new legislation.

...

Police have used water cannons against demonstrators gathered near the parliament building and the heavily protected government headquarters, eyewitnesses said.

Up to 100,000 Ukrainians massed on Kyiv's Independence Square in defiance of the sweeping new laws, which ban rallies and which Washington and other Western capitals have denounced as undemocratic.

...

Ukrainians have been pushing for closer ties with the European Union and loosening ties with Russia. The new series of laws passed by the government on Thursday — which protesters are calling "Black Thursday" — caused controversy as some have viewed the process as "fast and loose" and "unconstitutional."

Ukraine protesters surrounded by riot police - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-protesters-surrounded-by-riot-police-1.2502720)

tl;dr: Ukraine's citizens want to join the EU. The leadership (pro-Russian) says no. Massive protest


http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/2014/01/526204456_29865515.jpg



Live stream of events:

#EuroMajdan on USTREAM: Dear friends, we've been on air 24/7 since 27 november without a single break. To continue broadcasting, we need your financial hel... (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)

[Hondaracer]

Yea, let more bottom feeders into the EU
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[melloman]

The people want EU (democracy?)
The current PM wants USSR (dictatorship for the money)

I'd be out there lighting police buses on fire too, if the government ever tried to strip me of my rights. The new laws passed over the weekend make it clear the current PM is fighting a losing battle, and he's just trying to use force now to take control.

Eventually shits gonna hit the fan.. and I'm sure, if it gets bad enough..

The USA will "have" to get involved. :troll: :ilied:

[CorneringArtist]

Been following the news on this for a little bit. The current PM's opposition rival is former boxer Vitaly Klitchko and from the looks of it, he's really in line to win the next election because of this.
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[CharlesInCharge]

Yea, let more bottom feeders into the EU
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Do you think the majority of Ukrainians want to join the blood leeching EU banking community?

Ukraine weak?
Ukraine is game to you!? - YouTube

[El Bastardo]

If Poland didn't bleed the EU dry, Ukraine is unlikely to.

However, you will see an influx of Ukrainian immigrants flood into western Europe. With them, they will bring crime and gorgeous prostitutes and unskilled labour.

I think its the right move for Ukraine, the wrong move (right now) for the EU. Greece is hurting, Italy isn't much better, and Spain has soaring unemployment. They are just going to be adding another cancerous tumor to an already sick body.

[GLOW]

are you calling said gorgeous prostitutes unskilled? :pokerface:

[CharlesInCharge]

If Poland didn't bleed the EU dry, Ukraine is unlikely to.

However, you will see an influx of Ukrainian immigrants flood into western Europe. With them, they will bring crime and gorgeous prostitutes and unskilled labour.

I think its the right move for Ukraine, the wrong move (right now) for the EU. Greece is hurting, Italy isn't much better, and Spain has soaring unemployment. They are just going to be adding another cancerous tumor to an already sick body.You think its the right move for Ukraine... Im not surprised that you still regurgitate ZioAmerican political views from the news presses that you get your information from.

Currently the unemployment rate in the European Union is 24% for persons under 25, and 12% overall.
In Ukraine its 8% for both figures.
So perhaps there could be more hookers flowing into Ukraine if those figures interest you.

On top of that Ukraine will loose over 100 billion in trade with Russia if it signs this agreement... something like 160 billion till 2017.

What does the broke EU have to offer Ukraine other then an American military base at Russia's front door?

Maybe those protesting Ukrainians think the EU is a free and democratic system? In Spain's new laws, protesting will get you charged $100,000 to one million dollars. None of the countries are sovereign as they dont control their foreign policy or banking... infact countries are trying to leave the EU, specially the British themselves.

All these street thugs are most likely paid off from the groups that they belong too which are funded through proxy by the ZioAmerican empire... like those Orange "revolutions".... the others are riding on false hopes.

Your main stream views are a double dose of propaganda with what Canadian news has to offer.

[StylinRed]

From what i understand this isn't exactly an EU/Russia situation but rather a internal leadership battle?

iirc the Ukrainian President, Yanukovych, said he was still pursuing an EU deal its simply he felt the last deal, as proposed, would have been a detriment to the country? and the makeup of these protesters are mainly Tymoshenko supporters the former leader who was jailed for corruption (and the current president even testified against her) and it's simply these supporters and the EU who are blaming Russia because the EU is wanting a deal in their favour and the protesters want Tymoshenko freed and in power.

correct me if im completely off the mark because i'm not really following this story

[Culverin]

They built a trebuchet
It has it's own twitter account.

https://twitter.com/ukr_catapult


LiveLeak.com - Ukraine: Practice is over- Protesters fire stones from catapult

[rsx]

LiveLeak.com - Riot Police Attacked by Molotovs

Molotoving riot police

[MG1]

are you calling said gorgeous prostitutes unskilled? :pokerface:

where are the pics? :fullofwin:

[El Bastardo]

You think its the right move for Ukraine... Im not surprised that you still regurgitate ZioAmerican political views from the news presses that you get your information from.


As a Zionist I fully support expanding the state of Israel from the Persian Gulf to the Red Sea. One day the chosen people will rule over the entire Arabian Penninsula and we will see the city of Dubai renamed to Aliyah.
Already our media efforst have helped the Goyim understand that that the land between Basrah and Kashmir will revert to the name of Elam and there we will create Beth Nehemiah as a mighty city to serve as a testimonial to the Jewish purification of the land. The sound of the shofar will ring from the Himalayas mountains to the Suez Canal.

O children of Israel, remember my favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you above all creation.

We will be welcomed as saviors.



But seriously, the European Union's trade agreements will see Ukraine's metal and mineral industries take off. This will feed the construction and automotive industries in both Germany (who doesn't need it) and Spain (who does).

I will concede to you that the trade between Russia and Ukraine will initially sour but the complex and diverse relationship that Russia has with the EU as a whole will ultimately keep Russia from using oil to keep Ukraine "in line".

Prime Minister Yankunuvych is a Russian puppet elected to tow the line which is part of (but not all of) the problems Ukraine is facing today in joining the EU. Besides, its not like they're being welcomed with open arms to begin with. This is only an "Association Agreement" which calls for systematic reform in the country.

The people you see in that video throwing molotov cocktails and protesting aren't looking to join the EU so they can pick up and move to Belgium for the waffles. They're protesting because know EU membership would bring a fair system of law, (what will likely be) a better minimum wage (currently the min. wage in Ukraine is 90c Canadian where the lowest minimum wage in the EU is Czech Republic at $2.70), and the chance to start sorting out their own affairs (like resolving their Transnistria dispute).

I hope that the citizens of Ukraine get to see this through, or at least see some internal social reform come of it. A country a hair's breadth above Moldova in standard of living certainly deserves it.

[CharlesInCharge]

I see your Zionist rant and raise you this African faced statue of who was there first :P
http://www.chamois.k12.mo.us/JW%208th%20Grade/Dylan%20Minor/webpage%201/sphinx.jpg

Europe is energy poor, and it will never let Ukraine truly prosper as its evident in all of Europes countries where mother and daughters are selling themselves for food and to heat their homes.

You only have to look at our own country to see our resources, oil, gas, diamonds, trees and fish are being sold for peanuts. Fix your own country first before promoting shadow rulers to get a piece of Ukraine.

edit -

To StylinRed
The EU offered Ukraine less then 1 billion dollars and only as a loan... where they will lose 160 billion to 2017 when Russia protects its markets and blocks trade with Ukraine. Im betting the protesters are rallied up with money from the U.S.

[maxx]

ukrainian people dont want to join EU, please dont assume cause you are fed bullshit by your news.

EU could not be worse for ukraine.

[Everymans]

I see your Zionist rant and raise you this African faced statue of who was there first :P
http://www.chamois.k12.mo.us/JW%208th%20Grade/Dylan%20Minor/webpage%201/sphinx.jpg

Europe is energy poor, and it will never let Ukraine truly prosper as its evident in all of Europes countries where mother and daughters are selling themselves for food and to heat their homes.

You only have to look at our own country to see our resources, oil, gas, diamonds, trees and fish are being sold for peanuts. Fix your own country first before promoting shadow rulers to get a piece of Ukraine.

edit -

To StylinRed
The EU offered Ukraine less then 1 billion dollars and only as a loan... where they will lose 160 billion to 2017 when Russia protects its markets and blocks trade with Ukraine. Im betting the protesters are rallied up with money from the U.S.
Why wont russia trade with ukraine if they join the eu? Are they just trading right now so they can be above them?

[CharlesInCharge]

The rulers (from EU) that want to influence Ukraine are trying to control the whole world, they controlled Russia for some time in the past and caused some of the worlds worst atrocities in Ukraine.
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLd9ESpDcQ

The last thing world powers like Russia and China want is further expansion of these maniac rulers. Present day Syria is their latest work.

Russia, as with any independent country, looks out for the prosperity of their own citizens and by putting tariffs and import restrictions of outside products (specially from enemy powers) is the best way of keeping a stable and productive economy.

We in Canada dont have these protective measures and our banks are manipulated. We live in an unstable and uncertain economy... this is why housing doubled from the year 2000 and had a hard crash back in 1981.
http://pacificapartners.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Canadian-Real-Home-Price-Index-cumulative-return-from-first-quarter-1974.png

If Ukraine signs the EU agreement, they'll eventually come under the empires power and suffer like other EU states.


I get my latest information from the Debate shows on PressTV
The Debate - Row Over Ukraine
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2YDTatvOA

The Debate - Ukraine Crisis
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y_teoT0_U8

The Debate video source - _www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf9eY59YpTPZWDJbUUPWjVdChrScrVdZy

edit -
A run down of who owns who in our media... these top corporations are tied to the banking criminals in the first video I posted.
http://adage.com/images/random/mediafamilytree07.pdf

[asahai69]

Ukraine is game to you!? - YouTube

[rsx]

was just thinking of this! thanks x1000

[El Bastardo]

ukrainian people dont want to join EU, please dont assume cause you are fed bullshit by your news.


Ukraine wants a lot of internal social and political reform. They don't want to end up an armpit like Moldova. The EU is the best chance to achieve this. That is why there is support for joining the EU.

[jaguar604]

http://tvi.ua/new/2014/01/23/yak_berkut_namahavsya_zabraty_poranenykh_iz_likarn i_shvydkoyi_dopomohy_video_tvi

Video of police abducting activists from emergency hospital in Kyiv.

[AeroK]

its a revolution!

[xpl0sive]

Ukraine is stuck between a rock and a hard place. EU only wants them to to expand their "empire". Ukrainians want to be their own nation and some still remember WW2 and despise Russia for what happened. Ukraine would be much better off economically being closer to Russia than to EU...

[RRxtar]

Im surprised there isnt more talk of this. I've been following it abit on other forums.

[kunoman1]

The conflict is getting pretty hectic

Cops on fire as Molotov cocktails flare, flash and bang over Kiev - YouTube

Ukraine: Meet the Molotov cocktail slingshot - YouTube

[El Bastardo]

#EuroMaidan - Rise of an Empire (#??????????, #??????????) 2014 - YouTube

Actual riot footage cut as a movie trailer

[Spectre_Cdn]

Photos from the site of the protest:

zyalt: Revolution in Kiev, Ukraine (http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html)

[1exotic]

holy fuck.
LiveLeak.com - Ukraine Rioters Storm Local Admin Building & Brutally Beat Police

[Manic!]

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2455786.1386517585!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_300/ukraine-protest.jpg

How did Vitali Klitschko get so much power in the opposition movement? and what is his brother doing other than planning a wedding to her?
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2010/09/hayden-panettiere-cheers-on-boxing-boyfriend.jpg

[Hondaracer]

In that video where they are in the building taking the riot polices gear why don't they just start shooting people?
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[StylinRed]

holy fuck.
LiveLeak.com - Ukraine Rioters Storm Local Admin Building & Brutally Beat Police (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=959_1390672028)

if this was in canada or the states the police would have killed a few of the protesters / used some serious anti-riot weapons by now instead of just standing there and taking it (im approving of them not killing ppl btw)

[Hondaracer]

seems like they probably weren't police or any actual authority figure the way they acted

at least fire some tear gas or rubber bullets when it gets to that point

[Hehe]

I have been checking a few pics from the incident and it looks like some Modern Warfare shit.... :D

[Manic!]

10 people dead in Kiev. Massive rioting and mayhem. Lots of stuff on fire. Live coverage on CNN.

[RRxtar]

Finally made it to mainstream media on CNN?

[Mr.Money]

seen footage on the news of a few rioters bringing 9mm pistols & scoped 30-6 hunting rifles..Bloody police officers being dragged away.

[rsx]

http://rt.com/news/weapons-protesters-kiev-police-745/

Rt reports Rioters have seized 1500 guns and over 100,000 rounds of ammo

[twitchyzero]

apparently 70 dead now :(

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/world/europe/ukraine.html?hpw&rref=world

??? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????? As a sniper shoots at demonstrators Ukraine - YouTube

[rsx]

LiveLeak.com - Fighting in Kiev - Intense documentary style footage

[willystyle]

How is the opposition/protesters getting all these weapons and firearms? Who is funding them? That's what I want to know.

[twitchyzero]

^ in the previous link

Supporters of the opposition this week overran an Interior Ministry garrison near Lviv, in western Ukraine, and captured its armory. It was unclear whether any of the commandeered weapons were being used Thursday in the fighting in the capital.

wow I didn't see this scrolling img until I clicked on it again. this news totally being overshadowed by the olympics

before
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/02/21/kiev-before-after/f4d075e00db68cc7534aee340fd07cd5f5281817/left-1050.jpg
after
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/02/21/kiev-before-after/f4d075e00db68cc7534aee340fd07cd5f5281817/right-1050.jpg

[rsx]

The protestors have overrun some police/security buildings and seized weapon and ammo cache

[Adrenaline Rush]

http://rt.com/news/weapons-protesters-kiev-police-745/

Supposedly from security offices.

[The_AK]

Yanakovich flees Kiev, private mansion gets raided. people find tons of luxury items like boats, cars, animals, personalized vodka etc. lol...

http://img.tabloid.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/a/a/aac7007-379093-original.jpg

http://img.tabloid.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/1/a/1a459a4-1653639-834120256602636-1765921820-n.jpg

http://img.tabloid.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/4/2/4217f40-1724100-834103476604314-1672529304-n.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhFKUNDIAAEVQiQ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhGPCeRIMAA7nB8.jpg

Ukraine President Yanukovych abandons lavish estate - take a look at his LOOT - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ukraine-president-yanukovych-abandons-lavish-3172943)

[RRxtar]

this news totally being overshadowed by the olympics

its not just the olympics. It has been going on since november, and at the escalated state, since the beginning of january, and mainstream media has completely ignored / chose not to mention it until now. the only reason they are even talking about it is because a larger number of people have died so now it is news worthy.

[synchrocone]

Ukraine Parliament ousts Yanukovich, Tymoshenko freed

BBC News - Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842)

[Harvey Specter]

Yanakovich flees Kiev, private mansion gets raided. people find tons of luxury items like boats, cars, animals, personalized vodka etc. lol...

Ukraine President Yanukovych abandons lavish estate - take a look at his LOOT - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ukraine-president-yanukovych-abandons-lavish-3172943)

Here's a video links;

BBC News Ukraine crisis Crowds descend on Yanukovych house - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

All these former soviet leaders are mobsters, Putin the biggest one of them all. The people are tired of getting fucked, and want to cut ties from Russia as much as they can. This guy's house is a perfect example of why. A leader of a country shouldn't be living like that, even in the richest nations in the world let alone the poorest.

[Manic!]

What a piece of sh|t the president is.

The main reason the media is covering it now is because the politicians including the US government are now showing interest. It's the whole Putin vs west thing.

[SkinnyPupp]

The Putin vs The World thing is going to get bigger and bigger going forward. It will be 1st world and 2nd world countries against each other all over again. Only this time instead of NATO vs Commies, it'll be NATO vs gangsters and commies

[Harvey Specter]

Lets not forget about ramzan kadyrov...

Скромный кортеж Ð$амзана Кадырова - YouTube
Ramzan Kadyrov's Cars inc: Lamborghini Reventon - YouTube

[xpl0sive]

All these former soviet leaders are mobsters, Putin the biggest one of them all. The people are tired of getting fucked, and want to cut ties from Russia as much as they can. This guy's house is a perfect example of why. A leader of a country shouldn't be living like that, even in the richest nations in the world let alone the poorest.

Russian people have nothing against Putin. Please stop talking out of your ass like you know what you're talking about.

[SkinnyPupp]

Russian people have nothing against Putin. Please stop talking out of your ass like you know what you're talking about.
:seriously: Where did I say that Russian people have anything against Putin?

I do know what I am talking about, you just apparently can't read. The Ukrainians wan't to get away from the russian mafia, which is what caused this current protest. Yanukovych backed out of a deal that would have seen them have closer ties to the EU.

Also I doubt very much that all "russian people have nothing against Putin". Or even most...

[dbaz]

Russian people have nothing against Putin. Please stop talking out of your ass like you know what you're talking about.

Moscow protest draws more than 100,000 anti-Putin marchers - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/12/moscow-protest-vladmir-putin-election-fraud.html)

o ok

[trancehead]

The Putin vs The World thing is going to get bigger and bigger going forward. It will be 1st world and 2nd world countries against each other all over again. Only this time instead of NATO vs Commies, it'll be NATO vs gangsters and commies

to be fair, NATO is just as gangster as Russia.

Even looking at the origins of North America. it was land just taken away from the native indians. gangster.

and using this 1st world vs 2nd world terminology itself: these are western propaganda style terms stemming from WW2 (iirc)

[SkinnyPupp]

to be fair, NATO is just as gangster as Russia.

Even looking at the origins of North America. it was land just taken away from the native indians. gangster.

and using this 1st world vs 2nd world terminology itself: these are western propaganda style terms stemming from WW2 (iirc)
The origins are pretty brutal, I agree.

The terminology was more hyperbole than anything on my part, and I agree that it is just propaganda.

[Manic!]

There is nothing worng with having a rich head of state. Look at Paul Martin. What matters is where/how he got the money.

[The_AK]

There is nothing worng with having a rich head of state. Look at Paul Martin. What matters is where/how he got the money.

raw footage of protestors shot by snipers

??????? ?????? ???? Sniper Kiev Maidan - YouTube

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

at the seat of humanity is gangsterism, circa 500,000,000 years ago, when life evolved beyond simple algae and fungus.

don't kid yourself with thinking there's an orderly civilized path to conquering and domination. all it is, is just red tape in the way of the same conclusion: drawing blood.

one of our closest relatives, chimps, do business the exact same way we do, and for the exact same reasons too. What's frightening is, their tactics in patrolling/reconnaissance and ambushing are the EXACT same ones we use.

it would seem that it is hard wired into us. It's like this planet is an arena, and evolution slowly breeds gladiators, and one at the top of the food chain becomes the ultimate weapon.

we don't make war... we, are, war.

[StylinRed]

So it sounds like there may be another issue boiling out of this turmoil with regard to Crimea, they don't like what's going on in the Ukraine and supposedly the majority of the Crimean people want to rejoin Russia, some are asking for Russia to send troops in (just on BBCnews)

Armed men seized govt. buildings in Crimea and raised the Russian flag
Ukraine leader warns Russia after armed men seize government HQ in Crimea | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-idUSBREA1P23U20140227)

[Hondaracer]

Ukraine the next Yugoslavia?
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[godwin]

Highly doubt it. For one, the nation is more homogenous (both ethnically and religiously).

Ukraine the next Yugoslavia?
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[xeryusx]

at the seat of humanity is gangsterism, circa 500,000,000 years ago, when life evolved beyond simple algae and fungus.

don't kid yourself with thinking there's an orderly civilized path to conquering and domination. all it is, is just red tape in the way of the same conclusion: drawing blood.

one of our closest relatives, chimps, do business the exact same way we do, and for the exact same reasons too. What's frightening is, their tactics in patrolling/reconnaissance and ambushing are the EXACT same ones we use.

it would seem that it is hard wired into us. It's like this planet is an arena, and evolution slowly breeds gladiators, and one at the top of the food chain becomes the ultimate weapon.

we don't make war... we, are, war.

Well said.

[RRxtar]

no mention of this?

apparently confirmed 2000 russian troops and helicopters to crimea. took over airport. bunch of other chit just got real

[belka]

no mention of this?

apparently confirmed 2000 russian troops and helicopters to crimea. took over airport. bunch of other chit just got real

UN security council will respond by sending a letter to Russia. Useless fucking organization.

[godwin]

I find it humorous that US keeps telling Russia not to intervene, but we all know they can't do diddly.

The west won't intervene, because that means they will be on the hook for all the money Russia "loaned" to Ukraine.. I can see Russia just want to get their money back like a bad loan shark.

[tool001]

I find it humorous that US keeps telling Russia not to intervene, but keeps intervening themselves in everybody else's matter ....fixed

[tarobbt]

Shit just got real, Russia sending the boys in :ilied:

Your move America.

1.Bomb the shit out of the country
2.Invade and takeover a country
3.Send in military arms for the local residents
4.Sit back and yell at Russia

[xpl0sive]

This is exactly the same thing as happened in Georgia a few years ago. What did the US do about it then? Nothing. They won't do anything about Ukraine either. It's not worth starting world war 3 over because Putin would not back down
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[StylinRed]

russia isnt saying they are or arent in crimea but stated if there are russian troops in there its based on prior agreements ;)

[falcon]

Shit just got real, Russia sending the boys in :ilied:

Your move America.

1.Bomb the shit out of the country
2.Invade and takeover a country
3.Send in military arms for the local residents
4.Sit back and yell at Russia


I'ma go with door #4. USA isn't the powerhouse that they used to be... they talk a lot of shit but never back it up. And they're poor and know if they start a WW3 they would likely bankrupt the country completely in which case Russia would just walk in and take over the place.

[rsx]

Looks menacing!
LiveLeak.com - Crimea: No science fiction, no action movie. This is how a Russian airborne invasion looks like.

[StylinRed]

^^^ reminds me of this

http://controlledinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/red-dawn.jpg

[Ball.J.Inder]

This shit is kind of getting out of hand. If you look at what started WW1 and WW2, it's always some small thing and then superpowers start measuring dicks and all their allies jump in. Hopefully those Russian troops moving into Ukraine is just a show of force and not some type of preparation for something bigger.

[CharlesInCharge]

Like ww1 and ww2 the Nazi's and the Zionists are at it again sponsored by the same Feemasonic ZioAmericans as one can see in this USA disclosure of funding opposition in Ukraine in the tune of 5 billion dollars... note the Chevron sponsor emblem.

#??????????: ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????? $5'000'000'000 - ????? ???????? ?????? (13.12.2013) - YouTube


Ukraine: The far-right groups patrolling Kiev
BBC News - Ukraine: The far-right groups patrolling Kiev (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26398112)

Ex-Israeli soldier led militia unit in Ukraine: Reports
PressTV - Ex-Israeli soldier led militia unit in Ukraine: Reports (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/352724.html)

[StylinRed]

^^^ this ones a bit longer and in depth (the bbcone)

BBC News - Ukraine: Far-right armed with bats patrol Kiev (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26394980)

and if anyones turned off by the presstv link this is the haaretz article they were referring too http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114

[rsx]

Keeps escalating.

UNSC, EU, NATO to hold urgent meetings over Ukraine

Saturday, March 01, 2014
NEW YORK/BRUSSELS - The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) will hold an emergency meeting Saturday to discuss the crisis in Ukraine, after the Russian parliament approved plans to send troops into the autonomous Crimea region of Ukraine.

UNSC, EU, NATO to hold urgent meetings over Ukraine (http://www.turkishpress.com/news/393234/)

[RRxtar]

Russia is a permanent member of the UNSC and has veto power so anything suggested can/will be shot down. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called Putin directly and told him to slow his roll and he basically told them to fuck off. Ukraine asked the other perm members including the US for help as they have not been able to get talks going with Putin on their own

Chit's not good. Anyone who was paying attention saw this coming 6 weeks ago.

[CharlesInCharge]

Ukraine revolutionary before USA coupe
http://i.imgur.com/QAvMfqK.jpg


Ukraine revolutionary after USA coupe

"The poppies are safe for harvesting, sir"
http://i.imgur.com/ppr1ZeN.jpg

[tarobbt]

USA plans to pull out of the G8 summit.

Readout of President Obama?s Call with President Putin | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/01/readout-president-obama-s-call-president-putin)

President Obama spoke for 90 minutes this afternoon with President Putin of Russia about the situation in Ukraine. President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia’s clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law, including Russia’s obligations under the UN Charter, and of its 1997 military basing agreement with Ukraine, and which is inconsistent with the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the Helsinki Final Act. The United States condemns Russia’s military intervention into Ukrainian territory.

The United States calls on Russia to de-escalate tensions by withdrawing its forces back to bases in Crimea and to refrain from any interference elsewhere in Ukraine. We have consistently said that we recognize Russia’s deep historic and cultural ties to Ukraine and the need to protect the rights of ethnic Russian and minority populations within Ukraine. The Ukrainian government has made clear its commitment to protect the rights of all Ukrainians and to abide by Ukraine’s international commitments, and we will continue to urge them to do so.

President Obama told President Putin that, if Russia has concerns about the treatment of ethnic Russian and minority populations in Ukraine, the appropriate way to address them is peacefully through direct engagement with the government of Ukraine and through the dispatch of international observers under the auspices of the United Nations Security Council or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). As a member of both organizations, Russia would be able to participate. President Obama urged an immediate effort to initiate a dialogue between Russia and the Ukrainian government, with international facilitation, as appropriate. The United States is prepared to participate.

President Obama made clear that Russia’s continued violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity would negatively impact Russia’s standing in the international community. In the coming hours and days, the United States will urgently consult with allies and partners in the UN Security Council, the North Atlantic Council, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and with the signatories of the Budapest Memorandum. The United States will suspend upcoming participation in preparatory meetings for the G-8. Going forward, Russia’s continued violation of international law will lead to greater political and economic isolation.

The people of Ukraine have the right to determine their own future. President Obama has directed his Administration to continue working urgently with international partners to provide support for the Ukrainian government, including urgent technical and financial assistance. Going forward, we will continue consulting closely with allies and partners, the Ukrainian government and the International Monetary Fund, to provide the new government with significant assistance to secure financial stability, to support needed reforms, to allow Ukraine to conduct successful elections, and to support Ukraine as it pursues a democratic future.

The hypocrisy :facepalm:

Similar response Russia gave to America during the Syria conflict in the past.

Only difference is Russia does indeed have deep relations with Ukraine.

[SkinnyPupp]

UNSC, EU, NATO to hold urgent meetings over Ukraine (http://www.turkishpress.com/news/393234/)

NATO getting involved, but only if surrounding countries are threatened. They won't do anything about Ukraine itself... It seems like Russia can fuck with Ukraine all they want, since Ukraine is sort of stuck in limbo...

[rsx]

Ukraine orders full military mobilisation over Russia moves
BBC News - Ukraine orders full military mobilisation over Russia moves (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635)


Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Ukraine was "on the brink of disaster".

In Crimea, Ukrainian soldiers faced off with Russian soldiers surrounding their bases while the Russian army is said to be digging trenches on the border with mainland Ukraine.

Nato is conducting emergency talks, saying Russia's actions threaten "peace and security in Europe".

US President Barack Obama called Russian troop deployments a "violation of Ukrainian sovereignty".

Ukrainian national security officials announced several other measures on Sunday:

The armed forces would to be put on "full combat readiness"

Reserves to be mobilised and trained
Foreign minister to seek help from US and UK leaders in guaranteeing its security
Emergency headquarters to be set up
Security to be boosted at key sites, including nuclear plants
Airspace to be closed to all non-civilian aircraft

[MG1]

Russian forces now "have complete operational control of the Crimean Peninsula."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101458502


Shit is happening so quickly..........

[StylinRed]

The newly appointed Chief Ukrainian Admiral "defects" to Crimea

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26410431

[Yodamaster]

Sounds a lot like war on the horizon.

[Hehe]

I don't wish for a war as it's fucking useless.

Nevertheless, it might be the once in the lifetime opportunity to witness a battle between Chernomorsky Flot and the Seventh Fleet. (the two most badass marine fleets currently in operation)

[willystyle]

Highly doubt the U.S. will pursue any military strike.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Highly doubt the U.S. will pursue any military strike.

+1 more likely nothing will happen. There is nothing to be gain if the US step in. Most likely there will be restriction places on trades put on russia and that's about it.

[rsx]

US won't get involved...but NATO on the other hand...

[RRxtar]

I don't wish for a war as it's fucking useless.

Nevertheless, it might be the once in the lifetime opportunity to witness a battle between Chernomorsky Flot and the Seventh Fleet. (the two most badass marine fleets currently in operation)
I dont really know anything on the subject but I believe the 7th fleet is their pacific group, and the 6th fleet is the european/atlantic/mediterranean group

[CharlesInCharge]

If a war does happens you better prepare to dodge the draft as we're the Queens subjects and fodder for world domination aspirations.

[jackmeister]

90 Minute Convo? I really want to know how they talk actually talk to each other and what threats they throw at each other behind the scenes.

[belka]

If a war does happens you better prepare to dodge the draft as we're the Queens subjects and fodder for world domination aspirations.

I'll make sure they send all the ignorant self-serving little conscripts like yourself to the front lines. :wiggle:

[Jsunu]

If a war does happens you better prepare to dodge the draft as we're the Queens subjects and fodder for world domination aspirations.

We are the queen's subjects by name and formality alone. There would be no call for a draft.

[kunoman1]

If a war does happens you better prepare to dodge the draft as we're the Queens subjects and fodder for world domination aspirations.

I'll be fodder to defend my home, country and those I care about. I don't think id want you beside me if we were to be drafted
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[thumper]

Russian Army in Crimea - YouTube

[Hehe]

I dont really know anything on the subject but I believe the 7th fleet is their pacific group, and the 6th fleet is the european/atlantic/mediterranean group

7th fleet is quite mobile. During the Gulf war, they moved from Japan to Persian gulf after receiving order from the president. They are just permanently forward-stationed in the pacific, but it doesn't mean they have to stay there constantly. And its size allows it to carry out several operations simultaneously.

Besides, if anything can go up against Chernomorsky, it's 7th fleet. :)

[shawnly1000]

Russian President Putin orders troops engaged in military exercises to return to their bases. Via @Reuters

[StaxBundlez]

start at 35 seconds..

The Simpsons - Soviet Union (http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=11391#.UxVycvRdVsA)

[karmsidhu]

Too bad people are too busy talking about Luongo not starting the Heritage Classic lol...

[Manic!]

Russian President Putin orders troops engaged in military exercises to return to their bases. Via @Reuters

Russia's Putin orders troops in military exercise back to base | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/04/ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSL6N0M109L20140304)

All those troops were in Russia. Russia still has lots of troops in the Ukraine.

[Acura604]

with this new development whereas Crimea has decided to join the Russian Federation... things are gonna heat up!



Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- We're leaving. No, you're not.

That's where the crisis in Ukraine stood Thursday after lawmakers in Crimea voted in favor of leaving the country for Russia and putting it to a regional vote in 10 days.

It's an act that drew widespread condemnation, with Ukrainian interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk calling the effort to hold such a referendum "an illegitimate decision."

"Crimea was, is and will be an integral part of Ukraine," he said.

It was a sentiment echoed by a number of world leaders, with U.S. President Barack Obama calling the proposed referendum a violation of international law.

"Any discussion about the future of Ukraine must include the legitimate government of Ukraine," Obama said in a brief statement from the White House on Thursday. "In 2014, we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads of democratic leaders."

It's not clear how easily the region could split off from Ukraine even if the referendum endorses the move.

[Traum]

I'm a fan and believer in self determination. If the Crimean people vote in favour of leaving Ukraine and joining Russia instead through the referendum, I personally don't see why the Ukraine government in Kiev should persuade them to stay. There is just no point. It's kind of like how Scotland is planning for a vote / referendum to see if they should stay in the UK. If it is the people's wish to want out, just let them go.

The only thing is, if separation is to occur, I think both the main Ukraine government and the Crimea government should make arrangements to accommodate those Crimeans that wish to stay as Ukrainians instead of becoming Russians.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I'm a fan and believer in self determination. If the Crimean people vote in favour of leaving Ukraine and joining Russia instead through the referendum, I personally don't see why the Ukraine government in Kiev should persuade them to stay. There is just no point. It's kind of like how Scotland is planning for a vote / referendum to see if they should stay in the UK. If it is the people's wish to want out, just let them go.

The only thing is, if separation is to occur, I think both the main Ukraine government and the Crimea government should make arrangements to accommodate those Crimeans that wish to stay as Ukrainians instead of becoming Russians.

I love to see what happens if Quebec were to do the same.

[StylinRed]

what made me :rofl: is CNN had a segment with senators/governors dissing Russia for being hypocrites because they were against the Us invading countries without the UNs backing :lol how do they even have the gall to make such a comparison

[Traum]

I love to see what happens if Quebec were to do the same.
I hesitated to include Quebec as an example because IMO, the pro-separatist little twerps in Quebec lead by Marois are only exploiting the separatist ideal to milk Ottawa for all it is worth. Only Ottawa is stupid enough to repeatedly cater to their temper tantrums. If the PM (whoever he may be, depending on how every election results) has any brains, he would have done what the UK PM, David Cameron, did and allow Quebec to proceed with a legally recognized and binding referendum.

[xpl0sive]

Crimea is an autonomous country, similar to Palestine which is technically located on Israel's territory. Western media is reporting that Crimea is a part of the Ukraine, which is simply not true. Crimea has its own constitution and it's own government. If the people vote to join Russia, there's nothing illegitimate about it.

The situation can't be compared to Quebec since it's a part of Canada, not an autonomous country.

The main reason why the US doesn't want Russia to control Crimea, is because of the Black Sea naval base. Controlling that naval base would mean direct access to the Black Sea, which the US sees as a threat.

[Traum]

^^ And that is why the comparison to Scotland is especially appropriate.

[SkinnyPupp]

Great explanation of the situation here, including history and a look at the current situation from 2 different narratives:

Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context - YouTube

[will068]

Great explanation of the situation here, including history and a look at the current situation from 2 different narratives:

Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nklduvThs)

On a side note - John (host/narator) is awesome. The Crash Course Channel where I saw him narrate is addicting.

[SkinnyPupp]

On a side note - John (host/narator) is awesome. The Crash Course Channel where I saw him narrate is addicting.
Word. I watched the entire World History and US History series.

[Ch28]

Prepare for war ?at any moment,? Ukrainian president warns after Putin sends 8,500 soldiers, 270 tanks to border | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/14/prepare-for-war-at-any-moment-ukrainian-president-warns-after-putin-sends-8500-soldiers-270-tanks-to-border/)

Ukraine must be ready for a full-scale Russian invasion “at any moment,” the country’s acting president warned Thursday, as officials announced the emergency call-up of a 60,000-strong national guard force.

[rsx]

Russian troops invade Kherson Oblast, Ukrainians declare right to fight back (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russian-troops-invade-kherson-oblast-ukrainians-declare-right-to-fight-back-339509.html)

Russian troops invade Kherson Oblast, Ukrainians declare right to fight back

[Mr.HappySilp]

Russian troops invade Kherson Oblast, Ukrainians declare right to fight back (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russian-troops-invade-kherson-oblast-ukrainians-declare-right-to-fight-back-339509.html)

Russian troops invade Kherson Oblast, Ukrainians declare right to fight back

Without the help of the UN OR Europe or the US army they don't really stand a chance.

[SkinnyPupp]

So Russia has annexed Crimea from Ukraine (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26630062) :heckno:

Does this mean they will leave Ukraine alone now?

[StylinRed]

ukraine will probably do something stupid to entice an invasion

or ukraine will gain entrance to the EU/NATO pronto and Russia will back off

[xpl0sive]

It's still pretty funny how the media fails to report the fact that Crimea is an autonomous nation with it's own constitution. If they choose to join another country, that is their decision. Crimea was always a part of Russia for hundred's of years, which is why the majority of the population there is Russian. RUssia is simply getting back territory which was always theirs. Gotta love the media

[SkinnyPupp]

It's still pretty funny how the media fails to report the fact that Crimea is an autonomous nation with it's own constitution. If they choose to join another country, that is their decision. Crimea was always a part of Russia for hundred's of years, which is why the majority of the population there is Russian. RUssia is simply getting back territory which was always theirs. Gotta love the media
If you knew more about what you're talking about, you probably wouldn't be so outraged at "the media"

[xpl0sive]

If you knew more about what you're talking about, you probably wouldn't be so outraged at "the media"

Ah well considering I was born and raised in Russia and studied Russian history I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the tip though

[SkinnyPupp]

Ah well considering I was born and raised in Russia and studied Russian history I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the tip though

This guy

[StylinRed]

Crimea was always a part of Russia... RUssia is simply getting back territory which was always theirs.

no...just no

Western media being a joke? sure i get that, the US wagging its finger as a joke? sure i get that too
But Russia invading Crimea and holding a mock vote is also a joke

[SkinnyPupp]

So now Turkey is stepping in (http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/17/turkey-under-ottoman-empire-treaty-with-catherine-the-great-if-crimea-declares-independence-it-returns-to-turkey/) saying Crimea should be returned to them? They are citing a treaty from the Ottoman Empire :ahwow: :fulloffuck:

This might be a way of getting NATO involved

(so much for Crimea being "always a part of Russia" by the guy who "studied Russian history" ;) Try studying world history, and you might get the non-propaganda version of what is really going on ;))

[CharlesInCharge]

It should be returned to Turkey because the population speaks Turkish.

[xpl0sive]

So now Turkey is stepping in (http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/17/turkey-under-ottoman-empire-treaty-with-catherine-the-great-if-crimea-declares-independence-it-returns-to-turkey/) saying Crimea should be returned to them? They are citing a treaty from the Ottoman Empire :ahwow: :fulloffuck:

This might be a way of getting NATO involved

(so much for Crimea being "always a part of Russia" by the guy who "studied Russian history" ;) Try studying world history, and you might get the non-propaganda version of what is really going on ;))

"According to the agreement, signed by the the Russian empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, the Crimean peninsula will pass from the Ottoman empire to the Russian empire."

Crimea has been a part of the Russian empire since 1783. In the context of modern history, 200+ years is considered "always"

[SkinnyPupp]

"According to the agreement, signed by the the Russian empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, the Crimean peninsula will pass from the Ottoman empire to the Russian empire."

Crimea has been a part of the Russian empire since 1783. In the context of modern history, 200+ years is considered "always"
“However, one of the most important points is the clause that stipulates conditions that if the peninsula does not declare its independence then it cannot be transferred to a third party. Otherwise, Crimea must automatically be returned under the aegis of Turkey,”

Not sure where you come up with 200 years being "always" but no

[SkinnyPupp]

However if you look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Moscow_(1921)), they voided all previous treaties, so Crimea going to back to Turkey if they declare independence is not going to happen on this old treaty.

[Great68]

Let's be honest. NATO & Western states don't want to get into it with Russia, so Russia will just do what it pleases.

[sonick]

From Fox News so dunno how legit it is, but if it is, :fulloffuck:

Kerry reacts to report that Jews in Ukrainian city told to register | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/17/kerry-jews-in-ukrainian-city-told-to-register/)