[CharlesInCharge]

NY cops break disabled child's arm on school bus - YouTube

Jacob Gocheski resides in Rotterdam, New York, near Albany. The 16-year-old has been diagnosed with Tourette syndrome, anxiety, bipolar and pervasive developmental disorder.
When he refused to leave his school bus on the way home, two police officers were called. They picked Gocheski up and twisted his arm, when he insisted not to leave the bus. On the security video, released earlier this week, the sound of Gocheski’s bones cracking after being violently twisted by the officers can be clearly heard. Johanna Fernandez, a professor at Baruch College of the City University of New York, says that violent incidents like these are on the rise throughout the United States. Fernandez commented that despite continuing brutality, many people throughout the US still hold illusions about the role of the police. The university professor also believes that the rise of police violence and brutality has systemic roots. Despite having his arm broken, Jacob Gocheski now faces a criminal charge of "obstructing a government proceeding." His parents have filed a lawsuit on their son's behalf against the police officers involved.
PressTV - NY cops break disabled child?s arm on school bus (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/07/349595/ny-cops-break-disabled-childs-arm-on-school-bus/)

Outrageous... will the officer get suspended with pay or without pay?

[SkinnyPupp]

They clearly weren't trained to handle mentally disabled children. In this case, they should have called an ambulance to sedate him first or something.

Just a dumb mistake/oversight resulting in someone getting hurt. Sucks but it's not a big story.

[CharlesInCharge]

So if this was your child and an officer breaks his arm, your reaction would be... "oh that sucks, better luck training next time police"...?

and the cheery on the top is him being charged for being mentally disabled!

[SkinnyPupp]

I'd be pretty mad that the cops tried to handle a situation that they weren't prepared for, yeah... so?

[CharlesInCharge]

Who knew common sense needed to be trained... but in reality its more like the police are trained to brutalize to the maximum force.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's not common sense necessarily... If it was any other kid, they either would have complied to verbal requests, or would have complied to having their arm cranked. This kid was mentally ill so did neither... if you have ever been shoulder locked like that, it HURTS. Usually you lay down on your stomach or just give up. This kid just sat there until his arm got dislocated...

There are people who are trained specifically for handling this type of person. If it was all just "common sense" this wouldn't be necessary.

[SpeedStars]

To be fair...that kid did act completely normal after shit hit the fan. I don't think the officers meant to break his arm, but they should be responsible for the medical fees (cause US health care) .

[CharlesInCharge]

Common sense in my world, Im 140 pounds, would be to lift the child over my shoulders and out of the bus. In a police state where the officers are trained to terrorize citizens, then yes, brutalizing people is common sense.

[SkinnyPupp]

Gee, I never would have thought that you'd take it there :fuckthatshit:

[StylinRed]

police? :crazy2: shouldnt a caregiver/teacher have handled it? and if that doesnt work call a parent
police in NA these days pretty much only know how to use force

[J____]

properly trained or not, but that was a HUGE motion/force used by the police officer. Did you see how high of a rotation he used to bend in the arm? That's insane! This isn't a matter of not being trained, it's the matter of this particular officer didn't give a shit about the people he serves and just wanted to force the situation, ie. unsuitable to be an officer. He just carries on after the arm break as if nothing's happen...

[7seven]

Police were called after the driver said he felt he could not safely transport Gocheski to school at Parsons Child and Family Center, "based on threats that the student made in an aggressive manner," police said in the release.

The video showed Gocheski's brother, another teenager and a female aide sitting in their seats during the 15-minute discussion as the police conferred with Gocheski's mother.

"I haven't seen him quite this defiant in quite a long time," a woman believed to be the mother was heard to say from outside the bus, captured by the bus video camera.

The two cops waited on the bus for an ambulance to arrive to take the teenager to Ellis Hospital for a mental health evaluation.

That plan was verbally approved by the woman believed to be Gocheski's mother.

Ryan tried to engage Gocheski, who sat in silence, with his head down. "What are we going to do here?" Ryan asked. "You can either walk off the bus, or we can drag you off the bus, strap you on a stretcher and take you to Ellis Hospital. You can walk off the bus like a young man or we can hog-tie you."

Ryan added, "You're making all these other kids late for school."

"I don't give a (expletive). I don't give a (expletive)," Gocheski said.

"If we have to fight, someone might get hurt," Armstrong said.

$1M lawsuit after troubled teen's arm broken by police in removal from school bus - Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/1M-lawsuit-after-troubled-teen-s-arm-broken-by-5194946.php)

The kid, albeit with mental health issues, made threats, so that's why the police were called. Paramedics where called and it appears the mother was there as this incident happened in the driveway of the kid's parents home and the mother approved of the plan for officers to physically remove him from the bus.

Bottom line is the kid made threats and ignored multiple verbal commands from his mother, bus driver and police officers, so he had to be physically removed from the bus. Even if paramedics or a doctor where to sedate the kid first, proper protocol would require the officers to restrain the kid first before a paramedic/doctor would give the kid a sedative, for the paramedic/doctors safety.

It's unfortunate the kid's arm got broken in the process, but the officers weren't wrong to physically remove him and restrain him. The only thing I might change here is not charging the kid with a misdemeanor and perhaps a different angle on applying the arm lock.

[320icar]

^^^^ thisssssss
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[CharlesInCharge]

There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.

"The kid made threats, I feel endangered!":concentrate:

Full audio
Cops Break Teen's Arm on School Bus | Police Brutality against Mentally Disabled Student | CCTV - YouTube

The only way to stop these incidents is to have an eye for an eye justice carried out, then the rest of the police officers would think twice about breaking peoples (specially kids and womens arms as other videos can found on YouTube) bones.

[Timpo]

thank god at least camera was there...otherwise cops would've made random stories

[duy-]

There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.

"The kid made threats, I feel endangered!":concentrate:

Full audio
Cops Break Teen's Arm on School Bus | Police Brutality against Mentally Disabled Student | CCTV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5mFjkiH68)

The only way to stop these incidents is to have an eye for an eye justice carried out, then the rest of the police officers would think twice about breaking peoples (specially kids and womens arms as other videos can found on YouTube) bones.


^totally agreed

you should join the police force, there's clearly a need for people with your common sense. you wont help any kids ranting about it, time for you to go out there and make a difference.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I kinda have to agree wit CIC here.

the officers were not trained to deal with retarded people but it's not that hard to figure out. I mean, the officers are police officers that represent the government. They shouldn't be retards themselves. Lol what happened to officers of the law being upheld to a higher standard?

But part of me doesn't blame them, because some people really are stupid. they take their training literally and dont have the ability to adjust and adjust their aggressiveness when given the discretion.

like CIC says, hes 140, he woulda picked the kid up.
these cops look like 200lbs+ meatbags. they coulda EASILY just carried the kid out. especially when there were more than 1 of them.

this isnt even the worst part.... the worst part is there will be no training given, and this scenario will be repeated many times because the "cops did nothing wrong".

[bcedhk]

the kid didnt tap out, that's why the cops broke the arm.

:concentrate:

[duy-]

do you really need training to move an unarmed fat kid? mental disabilities aside if it was just a normal pouting fat kid... they woulda broken his arm all the same. only kind of training i can see needed is so to prevent any emotional trauma

[Noir]

There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.



Uh, i would rather choose an arm lock (with the risk of breaking an arm) 10 times out of 10 instead of any of the alternatives you just listed as preferable.
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[CharlesInCharge]

You better have a badge if you want to try that on your future children or you'd be thrown in jail. I'd hate to be your son.

[CharlesInCharge]

^totally agreed

you should join the police force, there's clearly a need for people with your common sense. you wont help any kids ranting about it, time for you to go out there and make a difference.You know a policing service is needed in the Americas for people who have minor problems and disputes but would be too afraid of calling the police in fear of having a psycho show up and brutalize people.
I would call it Charles in Charge :D a big brother to help people in need... with a $50 fee.

[GLOW]

properly trained or not, but that was a HUGE motion/force used by the police officer. Did you see how high of a rotation he used to bend in the arm? That's insane! This isn't a matter of not being trained, it's the matter of this particular officer didn't give a shit about the people he serves and just wanted to force the situation, ie. unsuitable to be an officer. He just carries on after the arm break as if nothing's happen...

i agree the rotation is nuts. every body is different in terms of flexibility but it's not difficult to push to the person's limit or a little more for compliance. it looks like this cop was going for it.

the kid didnt tap out, that's why the cops broke the arm.

:concentrate:

snap or tap
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[Mr.Money]

And you wonder why police in the states hold on to their pistol every traffic stop they do.

[PiuYi]

So if this was your child and an officer breaks his arm, your reaction would be... "oh that sucks, better luck training next time police"...?

and the cheery on the top is him being charged for being mentally disabled!

no, if this was my child i'd be up in arms trying to get some compensation or punishment for the officers involved.... BUT this is NOT my kid, so i think for the general public a "oh that sucks, let's try to better train our officers so this does not occur again in the future" attitude makes alot of sense

could you imagine if everybody acted like this was their own kid? there'd be a mob tearing the officers to pieces by now :lol

honestly, these stories get more attention than they're worth. Nobody agrees with what the officers did, but fear-mongering the public of police brutality is a little far

[belka]

In a police state where the officers are trained to terrorize citizens, then yes, brutalizing people is common sense.

The US a police state...bitch you retarded? You don't even know what a police state is.

[Noir]

Just got home and got the chance to watch the video but hell... I don't know about everyone but those cops were hella polite.

[Timpo]

I don't know why some people defend those cops.
Breaking his arm was uncalled for and unnecessary.

Those cops are strong enough that they could easily muscle him out.

So this mentally disabled kid was causing mild inconvenience by not getting out of the bus, extreme violence became ok :suspicious:

[yray]

CAUGHT ON TAPE: NY Police BRUTALLY BREAKS Arm Of Mentally Disabled Student On School Bus!! - YouTube

:lawl: million bucks

[mac25]

the news edit made it seem as thought the officers just grabbed him and broke his arm, but after watching the audio video it does seem as thought the officers tryed to talk to the individual and made it clear that if he chose not to leave the bus then he would be removed by force. He was also a pretty big kid and if he had a history of violence i a can understand the officers position.

[Phil@rise]

"The 16-year-old has been diagnosed with Tourette syndrome, anxiety, bipolar and pervasive developmental disorder."
When you have a kid or adult even, with all of these known issues and you attempt to integrated them into mentally stable normal society, problems can happen. Its foolish to assume otherwise. I'm all for inclusion but parents of kids like this one need to be more responsible towards them. If your child is going to pose a problem then you handle the child dont expect others to do so. His mother even noted he has been like this in the past " I haven't seen him quite this defiant in quite a long time". Couple his known issues with his size, he's not a 60 pound ten year old, and theres gonna be more problems.
Now I'm not condoning the police actions, just look how they stood over him posturing in a very threatening manner. This alone would make a kid with his issues more uncomfortable and less willing to be compliant, so the cops initial stance was very counter productive but again this kid with his set of anti social issues and known prior behavior should not have been there in the first place and how a mentally healthy society handles these behaviors proves it.
Bottom line parents need to be responsible for their children and not expect others to deal with them.

[StylinRed]

they had easily lifted him out of the chair and towards the door they should have just grabbed both arms and escorted him one more step to the exit

even when the kid was saying "nope not happening" they had already gotten him halfway there

even in the longer clip with the police speaking "politely" to the kid they were simply threatening him "someones gonna get hurt" "you'll end up in jail and the hospital"

i don't know... i guess i expect when an adult speaks to a child especially one with authority they would try to reason with the kid to get him to do "the right thing", "be a big boy" "don't you want your mom & dad to be proud of you" you know that sort of talk not the "somebodies gonna get a hurt real bad" type of talk and if he still doesn't go give it more time, he still doesn't get off? carry him off like you would a kid not like a crackhead resisting arrest

it was like i was watching two big kids bully a freshman "so you gonna give us your lunch money kid? we don't want to have to do this you know? someones going to end up in the hospital after we're through...so what do you say? can we have your lunch money?"

[stewie]

I cant stand these types of stories.

someone refuses to cooperate...police need to use some sort of force to get the job done...person gets injured then cries bloody murder and bitches and complains and goes for the law suit.

might as well just go to safeway and drop a jar of pickles on the ground then slip on them 30 seconds later and sue them for not having a clean aisle...easier way to get your money.


I find this a way more interesting story:

cop arrests a firefighter for not moving the firetruck while the fire dept was helping people in a crash on the highway. fire truck was being used as a buffer for the ambulance, cop got pissy about having the truck blocking an extra lane of traffic so he had the fire fighter put in cuffs and detained in the car.

cop arrests firefighter (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cop-arrests-on-duty-firefighter-over-parking-feud-150128011.html)

[Noir]

even in the longer clip with the police speaking "politely" to the kid they were simply threatening him "someones gonna get hurt" "you'll end up in jail and the hospital"

:lol

1) The cops were polite and spoke calmly
2) They clearly explained to the kid as plainly and as calmly as possible what the consequences are and which one best suits both their outcomes
3) The asked multiple times in an effort to give the kid as much chance as possible to end this calmly.

Politely threaten? :haha: You really are reaching just to keep up your "Fuck-The-Police" persona aren't you.

[multicartual]

The kid got what was coming to him.


Now he knows that if the police have to come and get you, they're bringing the pain with'em!

[mr_chin]

From the police perspective, they are definitely afraid had they carried him out in a proper manner (holding him by the armpit and carrying him) since he is mentally ill and had made threats in aggressive manner.

It's easier to say or ask "why not just carry him out properly?", "he weighs 140 lbs", but the police officer had to put his safety first. The kid is mentally ill and did state that "someone might get hurt" (according to the news), so god knows what he would do while being taken out, maybe attempt to grab their guns. Also, breaking the kid's arm was properly not his intention.

But let's talk reality (away from the police officers perspective)

1) excessive force was definitely used.
2) the kid is not charged, no reason to put his arm behind his back.
3) the kid is not being arrested, no reason to put his arm behind his back.
4) the kid is considered under age and ill, someone with medical training should be on site at the time

It's sickening to see these things happen because it's totally unnecessary. To get the kid off a school bus, the kid probably will not have the same functioning arm again. It would have been so much easier to just leave him on the bus and the bus driver just do his job until shift ends, he's gonna get hungry and impatient eventually.

So all odds are against the police, but it's not to say that the police will get charged or whatever. They are "the" police, and in the states, they can kill someone on duty and have a pretty high percent chance of fighting it off. Unnecessary is all I have to say.

[SkinnyPupp]

You don't have to be "charged" or "arrested" to have to be subdued by police.

[Noir]

It's sickening to see these things happen because it's totally unnecessary. To get the kid off a school bus, the kid probably will not have the same functioning arm again. It would have been so much easier to just leave him on the bus and the bus driver just do his job until shift ends, he's gonna get hungry and impatient eventually.


Police were called after the driver said he felt he could not safely transport Gocheski to school at Parsons Child and Family Center, "based on threats that the student made in an aggressive manner," police said in the release

Take it for what it's worth I guess.

[ajei]

lol..alot of the quotes on the first page talk as if the cops try to break the kids arm...realistically, prob not their intention...im sure they just want to get this WOW kid off the bus and go home themselves. Just because the story leads off with abunch of diagnosed mental illnesses you guys drop your guard and let the kid/family play victim. But im not trying to disregard any level of severity of his "conditions" but if he has a history of being violent and dropping threats...don't forget kids bring guns to school and shoot the places up -- especially the 'mental' ones....
I think the police are right...as much as the broken (or dislocated?) arm is unfortunate it I guess it can happen.